assassination

[nimble tartan]

what about speed cloak

[echo geyser]

seems raidbots made phantom default tho

[nimble tartan]

ye i moved on from the pf p early on

altho i did use it to cheese recently for a week to try out that long pot stuff

[whole mason]

Hmm, I just transferred to necro...so no need to rush to 40 I suppose...

[echo geyser]

i should put speed on cloak, im just used to always putting avoidance for m+

but i never use this slg cloak in keys

[hollow river]

why speed?

[echo geyser]

move faster = more uptime = more dmg

[hollow river]

lol

[echo geyser]

avoidance and leech for survival ofc

[hollow river]

right

[echo geyser]

but at this point u dont need any of that

[nimble tartan]

speed is bis tbh

[hollow river]

but can you even feel the difference in speed

[foggy ember]

Run out of swirls faster = more dps

[hollow river]

without a full set

[echo geyser]

nah u wont

its like 2-3%?

not sure how much

[whole mason]

The difference is accumulated in time consumption for a long run.

[soft shale]

you do feel the diff with this tho

[echo geyser]

damn

leech god

[soft shale]

sad that next raid will have less boes

only real way to get leech gear

[echo geyser]

how many pieces u got that isnt boe?

[soft shale]

when other shit drops heals always get it first

[nimble tartan]

does leech flurry

[soft shale]

chest ring

so have leech on chest wrist ring1ring2 boots cloak

although i only run 12% as sin

[balmy condor]

No, but flurry does leech

[nimble tartan]

hell yeah

[solar flicker]

need someone to redpill me on how to parse on slg since we're finally changing strats

[soft shale]

if you're necro have to slap a sbs on the stoneboi before he flies away

then 1 on girl then reset on skirmishers and then dot next goliath

[nimble tartan]

u can parse on slg just never stop slamming fok into ct refresh on the shield adds when the homies say slow down u keep go

unfortch i love my homies too much

[soft shale]

fast strat does not aoe commados iirc

you just kill them as they come i think

or maybe im wrong

[nimble tartan]

idk dont do fast strat

[soft shale]

well sadly its 2 am on eu so may take a while to get a response

[deft obsidian]

Yeh fast strat is pushing the boss to phase before goli, blasting the latter and slam dunk so you don’t need as many commandos.

[nimble tartan]

do u still hold dps on commandos for certain parts to break shield at specific time or is it just full sending

in intermission

[soft shale]

they drop randomly so i guess you just kill the needed number and dip then

you only need 4 if you kill 2 goliaths

[nimble tartan]

ahhh ok

[steel sage]

What legendary should my friend be running in M+ as assassin? New to assasin rogue

[soft shale]

zoldyck

[nimble tartan]

hmm maybe slower strat better for parse 🤔

[steel sage]

Thank you 🙂

[nimble tartan]

we got hella adds up for 10 users

years

[deft obsidian]

Yeh you can just fully send as they appear and gtfo of the intermission ASAP

[soft shale]

well slow strat is pick someone to parse

[nimble tartan]

true

its always one of my boomies tbh

[deft obsidian]

Kinda so ready to be done with CN. Legit some tragic fights this tier 😂

[tired falcon]

is poison bomb just trash for m+

like ppl telling me poison bomb way better than poison tempest in m+

and im just like ??????????

[deft obsidian]

Yeah, PB is dog tier for M+

[nimble tartan]

they lyin to u baby

[deft obsidian]

CT all the way

[tired falcon]

how much of a gain is poison bomb vs no poison bomb on st?

[balmy condor]

Let’s find out

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5HvK9jTxYBvoo5KVDpTqpP

That much

[tired falcon]

ty

[hexed arrow]

i have a question im coming back to wow after like a year and i want to know whats the state of assasin on raid and m+

[soft shale]

raid middle of the pack decent st good execute

[hexed arrow]

im about to pay some money for a boost but i dont wanna waste if assasing its bad in m+ like it was at the bennigeng of the expan

[soft shale]

m+ outshined by outlaw but still decent

[hollow river]

middle of the pack?

[oak sky]

i feel like decent st undersells us a touch

[hollow river]

same

assassination giga cleave 2 target

[nimble tartan]

assassin is uber st chad gamer only outshined by ranged classes welcome baby

in m+ assassin is cringe nae nae

but viable

[balmy condor]

Assassination is pretty squarely not middle of the pack tbh

[deft obsidian]

I mean the spec continues to shine as it always has done, priority dam. Is it the best it’s been? Nope, is it viable? Absolutely

[balmy condor]

it slams singoe target

[hollow river]

def not cringe in M+

just not "meta"

[oak sky]

last i checked its the best melee for pure st and cleave is better than most other melee specs too with necro

[deft obsidian]

Need more fights with longer lasting adds not these puny creepers that fall over to dots 😂

[soft shale]

well i mean comparing melee is like playing on the kiddie pool but yea st is really solid

[hollow river]

it is way better than the beginning of expansion. check out raider.io sin rogues

[soft shale]

also yes some assa rogues do high m+ now

remember overall is not everything

[hollow river]

top tier 2 target cleave

[deft obsidian]

It’s all about the comp and playing with a tank that knows how a sin rogue works

Chain pulling monkeys rip the spec but it’s satisfying as hell with the right people to play with

[soft shale]

yea same as sub

when you lose your party you lose your life tho

i miss legion when my friends still played

[deft obsidian]

I refuse to pug keys on my rogue, soul destroying. Then add grievous and spiteful, enjoy no stealth for 30 mins 😂

[soft shale]

grievous is no fun next season

[sonic schooner]

sinrogue looks great on m+, well i m not pulling as much overall and control than on outlaw because i m wayy too much looking at nameplates, and i struggling with "when to use vendetta", but it s hella fun

[soft shale]

vendetta is kind of weak in the grand scheme of things

better focus on bleeding+uptime on most mobs

[deft obsidian]

Yup it’s kind of a pop and don’t think too much into it.

Once it’s up for a boss pull, it’s all good

[sonic schooner]

yea but sometimes i hold it for a minute while waiting for the next pride. Probably shouldnt be something but since i m playing lot of pug

[soft shale]

dont hold 2 min cds

if it was something like hallow i understand

[deft obsidian]

I mean it’s a solid use for it to be fair, on a pride as it’s pure ST but wouldn’t be holding. Just pop it

Thankfully with pride gone next season it’ll become more enjoyable with some specs not blasting with buff

[soft shale]

next season unless they nerf fire guy or less healing huy

st/funnel will be very important

those mofos need to die fast

[deft obsidian]

PTR felt really nice tbh, felt like I had a purpose 😂

[soft shale]

good shit is their buffs are the best

extra 8% crit

yum yum

[hollow river]

they just buffed the fire affix guy didn't they

[soft shale]

yea its brutal

[granite thistle]

As a neccylord boi would I ever use Sudden Fractures in raid? Currently?

[balmy condor]

On everything other than sludge

[granite thistle]

ah..

I see..

Are we using WPS with 9.1 2nd Potency?

Im assuming?

[balmy condor]

Yeah most likely

[granite thistle]

word

Thanks brother. Love you. Miss you

😗

[balmy condor]

[halcyon zealot]

Finally killed sire last week so im goin necro tonight -- feels like a breakup im gonna miss my girl Nadjia :/

[nimble tartan]

just dont swap bro

trust me…

[deft obsidian]

Necro bait 👀

[granite thistle]

You think so? lol

[nimble tartan]

all im sayin….is….when someone needs me to bang on somethin posthaste….

i got a mini lust for that ass…

[halcyon zealot]

if i never played OL i wouldnt even think about it, but i play OL in keys so bein venth for that feels really bad unless its a halls or SD

[nimble tartan]

true

[deft obsidian]

And there lies the issue with covenants eh

[nimble tartan]

fr fr i wanna swap covz per boss

[halcyon zealot]

ive been sayin for months i wish we could "pledge allegiance" to two of them, like old school dual spec, even if they did some bullshit 24 hr CD on swapping it would be so much better than current system

but.. we play an rpg.. sooo lore i guess

[rapid stratus]

Vendetta at start of sire p3 right?

[drifting cloud]

depends when you lust

[halcyon zealot]

damn lmfao... using the 226 inerva ring i got last night over my 226 socket boe ring is almost a 100 dps loss

that is crazy to me

[drifting cloud]

that doesnt sound right

iqd maybe?

[halcyon zealot]

i think so, i just ran another one with hateful chain instead of iqd

to see if it changes anything

cuz the profile it prefers has 27% crit 17% haste, one i thought would be better is 27% crit 21% haste - prob a combo of IQD and bein venth, ill be interested to see how it sims once im necro

yeah it was IQD, sims as an upgrade with hateful equipt

[real solar]

What key levels are you doing?

Don’t leave the Venthyr brotherhood 😔

[halcyon zealot]

18/19 with the occasional 20 on a good week, its def not like a "we cant time these keys cuz im playing venth" but idk, id also like to give SBS a try cuz everyone in here says its fun as fuck - can always swap back lol

[dense narwhal]

rip venthyr 😦

NL adds a nice new element to the gameplay that I quite like

[halcyon zealot]

i can keep my flicks in check with my mouseover SBS in case i ever go back to csgo 😂

[short token]

guys how much dmg (roughly) should bone spike be doing on a single target boss? both the dot and base hit?

i feel like i'm low

[balmy condor]

Around 3% each

[cedar star]

is shadowgrasp totem actually as insane as it sims

[balmy condor]

yes

it's hasted

so if you got a lot of haste, it's really good

hateful chain as well

can be a super good trinket

[short token]

TY @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

np

[sonic schooner]

np

[solid mica]

I implemented some of what we were talkin about last night on sire and definitely pumped way harder ^_^

so ty

[balmy condor]

Glad to hear it

[half tartan]

Sorry to bother with such a dumb question but opening as sin in m+ on aoe packs do you guys Garrote, Garrote, Garrote, FoK, Crimson Tempest, MfD, Rup, Fok, Rup, Fok, Env/Rup?

Or is there anything better

[balmy condor]

Yeah that sound about right

Usually don’t play with mfd

But that’s how you would do it

[red pagoda]

Shouldnt you snd at some point as well?

[scenic root]

If a first pull sure, otherwise should be up already. And haste losses value in pure aoe, not sure the mob count or if there is one to not spent the CP on snd and instead CT or rup

[brisk drum]

woops i forgot to switch off sudden fractures for sludge last night

[brisk orchid]

What’s the reason behind only using SBS during marrowed windows btw?

[brisk drum]

somehow managed my best parse yet tho

luck i guess

[brisk orchid]

Nice dude congrats

[red pagoda]

Cuz they do high damage that you want to crit I guess

[scenic root]

In ST there is no other reason dumb them outside of gem window, and they do a lot of dmg so having them crit does great dps. Rule of thumb, don't cap charges, dumb in gem window, snipe dying adds.

[brisk orchid]

In that case with a fresh pull in mind, is it worth not using a SBS until it procs?

As the gemstone should in theory proc quickly

[scenic root]

SBS is what you open with

[brisk orchid]

Oof, I need to re-read on my opener then 😂

[balmy condor]

You want to sbs first for the dot

[scenic root]

And MA crit chance too

[balmy condor]

Nah you actually want to avoid sbs during ma

[scenic root]

[brisk orchid]

Ah so I’ve been using MA most the time so my opener might not be too bad

[red pagoda]

So if you're using ma you shouldnt open with sbs?

[drifting cloud]

you still open with sbs

you just shouldnt sbs durin vanish ma

[balmy condor]

[brisk orchid]

I’ve been using Mutil > SND > Mutil > Garrote > SBS > Rupture >Vend > 5CP Shiv & Pump Envens

With MA that is

[balmy condor]

Sbs snd mut gar rup vend shiv vanish mut pump env+mut

Should run out of energy somewhere in there

That’ll be during gemstone

That’s when you slam the rest of the sbs

[clear shadow]

hey guys

so for mythic sludge

[balmy condor]

Vend pull/2/4

[scenic root]

Lmao

[balmy condor]

Hold shiv, one between

[clear shadow]

as venthyr do u want to always sync flag and

[balmy condor]

Yes

[clear shadow]

ok ty

[scenic root]

In council, should set up bleeds to get the 5 rolling after vendetta falls off?

[clear shadow]

but do u want to use before he hits pillar?

[balmy condor]

You would spread bleeds during vendetta

[clear shadow]

flag i mean

[balmy condor]

As he’s hitting

You want the flag cast to be empowered

With lashing that flag cast is huge

[clear shadow]

ok so i would flag and then rupture then vendetta mutilate mutilate shiv vanish enevenom mutilate envenom?

[balmy condor]

Oh god no don’t rupture during a pillar

Make sure the rupture is up beforehand

[clear shadow]

alright

cuz i just did a reclear on my rogue and i was hella confused

[balmy condor]

I would vendetta before he Hits, flag, envenom shiv vanish mut

[clear shadow]

but for 2nd pillar u dont have vendetta up til he hits pillar

[balmy condor]

Cast it earlier then

If you cast it like 2nd or 3rd gcd in your opener it’s more than fine

[clear shadow]

ok

[balmy condor]

Some people even cast it like on pull

[clear shadow]

ok sounds good

[nimble tartan]

use double on use can get it for every pillar

[clear shadow]

for ST when iua re running crimson tempest should u keep it up

[balmy condor]

yep

[clear shadow]

do u want to 5 combo point it?

[wide bolt]

you treat it like a normal finisher even on ST

so finish on max - 1

[clear shadow]

also does bone spike count towards doomblade

[balmy condor]

yes

[mossy crown]

hey guys, off topic question. Where do people look when looking for new guilds?

[shrewd night]

Warcraftlogs or wowprogress, knock yourself out

[mossy crown]

cheers

[solid mica]

Easiest way ive found is recruitment discords

[spring lantern]

If you have the tangibles (aka logs) you don't really have to look for guilds. I 'looked' for a guild by setting myself as LFG on Wowprogress and got contacted by many guilds.

Unless you want to get into a specific guild

[limber lion]

Honestly usually if you put yourself as LFG in Wowprogress, you'll get contacted by bad guilds. It's often the case where you're like 9/10M and get contacted by 7/10M guilds.

It's a lot better to just search for the guilds yourself.

[shrewd night]

Can confirm

[verbal mantle]

[lusty bane]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[tacit wedge]

My 1/10 warlock got contacted by a 9/10M guild tho
Granted, it was a guild i left after TEP but still

[hollow escarp]

depending on what you define good or bad, I had good experiences with wowprogress

I did get a few friend requests from guilds with less progression than me though

[warm parcel]

Wcl is also a very new tool

Give it time and it can turn out great. At least it looks better from the get go

[deft obsidian]

I mean ppl will always shoot their shot trying to snag some better players. Depends what you're after, some guilds have solid progress with no community outside of raids and ppl want it.

[clear shadow]

question

if i am at 4 combo points while having garrote at about 15 seconds also having it up, should i garrote to get to 5 combo points or just use a spender

[keen cairn]

U just use a finisher

[hazy crater]

Didn't even know they had anything. How would I go about searching people who are looking for a guild in wcl

[clear shadow]

ok cool

also is it ok to use shiv while at full combo points

[keen cairn]

Yes

U wanna use shiv on cd

[clear shadow]

kk

ty

[shrewd night]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/recruitment

[hazy crater]

Thanks dude

[clear shadow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8ukxDRpnrmAqBcWzcspjG3 hey guys is there a reason why raidbots is telling me to go sinful/lightless force?

i thought celestial is better ST

[balmy condor]

you didn't hit replace existing enchants

so it didn't actually sim any other combinations

[shrewd night]

[clear shadow]

makes sense

simming rn ty

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7ddHZ4PKGtUjdC357Mv8Mc wow this makes so much more sense

[brisk orchid]

So the thing with shiv on CD, is it literally on CD even if you don’t have CPs or energy to dump into environment?

Just wondering if I pepega and forget to plan ahead for whatever reason is it worth holding or literally dump on CD as said?

[balmy condor]

yep, just slam

you shiv on 0cp, you shiv on max cp

you shiv if you won't cast a single envenom

you shiv if you have to reapply rupture during it

you just shiv

[brisk orchid]

Aite hahaha

[strange python]

Shiv away my friend, Shiv away🤌

[brisk orchid]

Just wanted to check as I found myself sometimes having Pepega moments and not having energy or whatever to make use out of it

[strange python]

Sooooo are we excited for 9.1 or do we give up and accepted defeat?

[balmy condor]

I mean

it's a new raid

and new stuff

and a dungeon

I guess hype

[strange python]

I guess I'm not alone in being somewhat hyped, just scared that we need to create new leggos

[balmy condor]

That seems to be a non-issue

[strange python]

Hope so😄

[balmy condor]

Seems like you can just free farm ash till your eyes bleed

So lego’s for all

[spice spire]

Shiv slammers

[frigid kestrel]

Ok at this point we need a Shiv Slamming Emoji

[thorny pond]

Shiv Slam is a hashtag and every time I run a key now I think of this channel. Thanks jerks 👌

[spice spire]

Anytime papi

[limber lion]

No worries.

[strange python]

Glad we could help🤌

[vale marten]

are there only 2 pure ST bosses in sanctum?

[drowsy parcel]

yes

first boss and guardian

[shrewd night]

any shiv slammers?

[vale marten]

guess necro will be the play 100% then

[spice spire]

[modern heart]

!tb

shame

is execute rogue becoming a thing you guys think with sylvanas daggers + Heirmir tree + Zoldyck + blindside?

[ocean zodiac]

!potion

[tulip nacelle]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[spice spire]

Probably not? Sylvanas daggers kinda poopoo. Removal of secondaries makes it

[vale marten]

arent daggers crit/haste

[plain thistle]

nah, they removed it

a couple days ago i think

[vale marten]

ah unfort

[vestal wren]

could still be good

it comes down to how strong the effect is

[livid linden]

it would be really weird if the new dagger is absolute poopoo

i mean new weapon etc

should be at least "good"

[vestal wren]

also subtlety has deeper dagger to enhance the effect further

[faint harness]

@stoic needle oi, whats good

[sacred isle]

Still plenty of tjme for tuning. Think blizzard doesn’t want to make another pox

[plain thistle]

pox isnt that strong right? like 1% or something?

[faint harness]

this is completely dependant on execute actually being a relevant thing on some fight, because overall dps is much lower.

[plain thistle]

if you compare with other expansion weapons with similar effect

[sacred isle]

No clue of other expansions but 1% is a lot for a bonus effect

[livid linden]

ra'den slappers said Hi

[tulip nacelle]

you can't count corruption

[faint harness]

yea i mean people speak of how insane benthic was and that was around 1-3% differences

[tulip nacelle]

but folly and bile were both very strong, I don't remember the numbers though

[plain thistle]

I wouldn't say 1% is a lot, less than that and you almost doesn't "feel" the effect

for a dagger that drops from a boss in a raid? I expect more

[scenic root]

Does it matter how strong it is, it's damage for doing absolutely nothing other than having the item

[faint harness]

the 3 insane benthic procs

must have

game unplayable without em

[tulip nacelle]

It does since the dagger doesn't have secondary stats

[faint harness]

if the effect is 2-3% its really good

thinking the effect should match trinket dmg is kinda wild

[scenic root]

I mistaked reply to wrong comment, I was referring to pox

[tulip nacelle]

well it still always matters, ofc with pox the effect is strong enough that the mastery in it doesn't matter for outlaw for example

[sacred isle]

Should be stronger Than the potential stats it replaced atleast. Otherwise its just rp

[vale marten]

regarding the weapons with effects i can only speak to tusks cuz i had both on 475 on my dh and it was usually 5% of overall damage

and they had n stats

[faint harness]

the stats is very little dmg

[vale marten]

no*

[sacred isle]

Still stand by my comment 🙂

[plain thistle]

why build a new weapon with a "cool" proc that is basically the same value as the status it replaces 🤔

in my opinion if you are going to build a new different weapon it needs to be stronger at least

[sacred isle]

Read what I said again?

STRONGER

[modern heart]

they removed the secondary stats, im sad now

[plain thistle]

yeah, I agree with you

[sacred isle]

Ok. Misinterpreted you then, sorry

[limber lion]

The effect is awful and should definitely be buffed, I think we can all agree on that.

[faint harness]

we dont even know how it works

[burnt star]

Doesnt the higher lvl plain damage added with the weak effect make it stronger then the best dagger we will be able to get?

If answer is yes.. then no reason to complain

[faint harness]

you would have to use heroic version tho

if we're talking mythic prog

so it has to beat a 252 dagger with stats

otherwise you just wont play it

[burnt star]

I mean i dont expect the heroic v to beat higher ilvl dagger

[faint harness]

then its a pointless weapon

[burnt star]

And ya we wont play it for sure

Same as heroic weapon right now

[faint harness]

ye but this is a "special weapon"

so its not like ur normal heroic weapon from nathria

[modern heart]

i'm still using a 220ilevel weapon on my dk 🙂

[hollow river]

Weren’t they saying they were gonna make raid loot bis for raid like pvp gear

Is for pvp

[burnt star]

Expect the heroic version to be weaker. This way u wont be disapointed

[vital tapir]

@stoic needle is the bell up?

[heavy coral]

How should i sim myself for SLG mythic?

Like which fight style

[rugged sandal]

on sire, should i be casting flag and vend together all fight or on cd

we are doing 2+2

[mint anvil]

Ya'll prob getting real sick of this question. But on a scale of 1-10, how griefing would it be to Not swap to necro for mythic raiding next tier

[spice spire]

Won’t know until patch is finalized. May be griefing hard might be griefing to go Necro. Who knows at this time

[simple wadi]

I'd certainly give necro a whirl right now if you haven't - the gameplay can take some getting used to

but you'd have plenty of time to swap back if another cov ends up being better

[limber lion]

2 target HecticAddCleave is probably the closest, but even that is not exactly 1-to-1

It'll give you a good reference point though.

Just go through logs and see what the top dudes are using.

(Zoldyck, EP/MA/DS/CT or EP/MA/Vig/CT usually)

[limber lion]

No, just cast Flag on CD. Just sync them in P3

[rugged sandal]

i wont have vend up for lust then

[limber lion]

Necro is looking like the dominant choice for most fights, but Venthyr is honestly great as well.

[limber lion]

Huh?

[hazy crater]

how did we go from casting flag on CD to not getting vendetta on lust

[real solar]

LOL

[limber lion]

You use Vend twice in P3, second one is with lust

[limber lion]

[mint anvil]

Aight thanks

[tulip nacelle]

depends on if they lust for 2 mins or for dks

[rugged sandal]

^

[limber lion]

Then it matches with ours

Lust after 2nd blood price means we get the last 20s of lust with our cds

[real solar]

Lusting after 2nd blood price is 🐐

[limber lion]

Not sure why people still think that you beed to have cooldowns up the same second lust is used.

[real solar]

You’ll get vendetta at the end of lust

[limber lion]

Lust lasts for 40s

[real solar]

ye

[limber lion]

Doesn't matter id it's the first 20s

Or the last 20s

[rugged sandal]

so youre saying sync at the start of p3 then flag when its up and vend at the last 20 seconds?

or save the flag for the last 20 seconds

[limber lion]

You use both when P3 starts, then you use Vend right after it's off cd

But hold Flag for 30s

[rugged sandal]

ok

so what i just said

got it

ty

[limber lion]

No it's nit

You said "flag when it's up"

[rugged sandal]

or save the flag for the last 20 seconds

^

[limber lion]

You hold flag

Yoy don't cast it

[rugged sandal]

yep

thats what i meant when i said or save the flag for the last 20 seconds

[real solar]

CDS ON CD because p3 doesnt matter anymore :^)

[limber lion]

You don't think about the last 20s

You only think about Vend

You Vend on cd

[polar cape]

Or chance it and press on cd to get that sketchy third cast <.<

[rugged sandal]

ah i see your point now

[limber lion]

And use flag with Vend

Both times

[limber lion]

Very unlikely after the nerf, wouldn't recommend it

[polar cape]

Yeah its rng on how scuff your pull is kinda

[real solar]

Nah I press flag on CD and I only get 2 in p3 because I use it at the end of p2

[limber lion]

Yeh

[real solar]

but my guild also just lets me stay on boss the whole fight

[limber lion]

Better to just sync with Vend twice

[real solar]

Like I legit don’t look at adds

:^)

[strange python]

Is elaborate planning primarily better on cleave because more rupture spread means more energy and therefore uptime?

[limber lion]

Yes

Blindside also loses value in aoe because we mutilate less

[strange python]

And what's the thought process on vigor vs ds?

[real solar]

DS usually paired with BS on ST

[limber lion]

And the free ambush will lukely just cap energy

[real solar]

vigor usually paired with EP - most likely better on 2T and higher

[limber lion]

Ambush gives energy and combo points for DS, Vigor's higher energy cap and regen means more uptime on EP

We might see EP/DS next tier though, but not sure yet

[strange python]

That's my assumption on the best output if we have enough haste

I'm main changing back to rogue so some of these questions will be irrelevant when the tier hits, I'm guessing

[limber lion]

We'll just have to wait and see how it plays out

[strange python]

Seeing CT and zoldycks on council is hilarious

[limber lion]

With Thrill Seeker also giving crit, it's probably gonna favor DS even more for Venth

But who honestly knows

So many things are not implrmented yet, it's anybody's guess at this point

[strange python]

I thought necro was looking pretty definitively better next patch?

[polar cape]

Is ct and zoldyck for council just adds padding?

[limber lion]

Yes.

[strange python]

Yeah, damage to secondary bosses doesn't count, gargoyles are barely up during the fight, and attendants should be dying instantly. So it's just waiter pad

[fathom swift]

is it?

[limber lion]

Currently yeah, for sure.

[fathom swift]

necro being dominant that is

[limber lion]

Yes

[polar cape]

Even rn my necro/venthyr sims 50dps from each other

[fathom swift]

why do you say that?

[limber lion]

Necro wins in every fight that is not pure st

Venth only wins in pure st, nothing else

NF and Kyrian always lose.

[fathom swift]

but st is usually the most valuable thing

yeah obv not suggesting kyrian or nf

[limber lion]

You misunderstand

Necro also wins in funnel damage

Necro does more st when there's 2 targets

It's the better choice for prio damage, cleave, funnel and aoe

Venth is only good for pure st

[fathom swift]

but theres not many (if any?) fights where you get consistent 2 target either

[limber lion]

Necro also wins in execute when playing Zoldyck

[limber lion]

Having a few to get resets is enough to pull it ahead

Venth is ahead by around 100dps in st

Necro wins 2t by 250+ dps

[fathom swift]

I am skeptical a couple of resets is 100 dps

[limber lion]

It is.

SBS is not only our highest hitting generator, it also gives mad cp when used on aoe

[fathom swift]

but enough to make up 100 dps?

[limber lion]

Do you believe yourself, someone who plays paladin mainly, or me who has played this class religiously for 8 years and spend time theorycrafting it and simming it every day

[strange python]

The crit change to sbs is the big one, no?

[limber lion]

Answering questions in here

Every day

[limpid scarab]

pure st*

[limber lion]

Someone who plays in a HOF guild as Assa rogue

[fathom swift]

playing other classes than rogue doesnt mean i dont also know how rogue works

[limber lion]

Thank you! Typing on phone, that's a typo

[limber lion]

Sure but I doubt you know as much as me.

Or have done as extensive research as me

[fathom swift]

im not trying to like argue for the sake of arguing just trying to get extra perspectives

[limber lion]

Or have played as much as me

Okay no worries.

You can sim it if you want.

[soft shale]

dont worry we have the luck to already have all the data we need on those

so no need for more than 1 pov

[frail fossil]

i mean a lot of bosses in CN there is tho, Huntsman, Council, SLG, Sire in which necro is absolutely cracked, and there's inerva where u have reset, and afaik SBS is also more dmg on Sludge if used durign the pillar

[limber lion]

Using advanced sims and add waves

[frail fossil]

so that's like

a good half of the bosses

were SBS is very good

[fathom swift]

yeah I'm going to wait until full soulbinds get added to simc to pick either way

[strange python]

EP and vigor on sludgefist is super interesting to me ...

[frail fossil]

@limber lion u did tell me SBS was better than venth on sludge or i'm tripping ?

[soft shale]

yea only change on sludge is you use wps instead of fractures

[strange python]

Why is EP/vigor the play on sludge

[limber lion]

It does more damage on pillars yeah, the haste benefit is hard to say though.

[soft shale]

you lose damage on flag because you cant use cp effectively

[limber lion]

Probably pretty equal honestly.

[limber lion]

More burst for the 12s windows.

[frail fossil]

more burst, and with vigor it's harder to cap energy when u have to run out

[soft shale]

there was an mfd build somewhere that was doing good

[limber lion]

Blindside is inconsistent

[nimble tartan]

venth gang venth gang

[soft shale]

but no one cares that much about slidge nowadays

[strange python]

Hmm

[strange python]

Yeah I'm just more trying to realign my brain from lock to rogue now that I'm swapping

[limber lion]

Yeah, I used to play NS/MFD on Sludge with the MA legendary, but since they removed the trinket crit thing, it's not the best anymore.

MFD as Necro is looking great though.

[strange python]

Zoldycks/CT on slg seems pretty paddy.

[limber lion]

Why?

The entire point of the fight is to kill everything

[strange python]

Maybe not zold. But CT?

[limber lion]

You cannot let the skirms be alive

Huh?

[soft shale]

zold and ct are good on slg yes

[limber lion]

CT wins in any 2+ target fight

[strange python]

I've never seen skirms live more than like 5 seconds

[limber lion]

You would use CT on Huntsman as well

Even if there wasn't a single skirm in the fight, you would still use CT

Because there's always 2 targets

the boss

and the goliath

[strange python]

Hmm

[frail fossil]

CT is insane

it's barely under PB in ST

[limber lion]

You could honestly play CT in every fight and do well.

Even the pure ST fights.

[fathom swift]

i think people assume ct just does bad st

[soft shale]

now if only i could get people to think about tornado the same as ct

my crusade continues

[limber lion]

Yeah probably.

But it's like 2% iirc

PB is not really great.

[nimble tartan]

sin needs a real st talent at that lvl ye

[limber lion]

Yeah, they should rework PB

[soft shale]

ago poison comes back with vengeance

lets goooo

[limber lion]

To either proc with Envenoms during Shiv

Or something

To make it more reliable and do more damage

And more on-demand

Instead of being a rng proc

[soft shale]

tbh you could make it a 1 min cd or something

that does legion poison dmg level

[polar cape]

Brg back legion poison bomb

[drowsy parcel]

delete hdiden blades and give me kingsbane back

[limber lion]

I don't know if I'd agree with that.

[soft shale]

oh kingsbane sounds sweeet

[limber lion]

Legion PB was way overtuned and busted.

[soft shale]

instead of pb

[limber lion]

You would just use PB on AoE

Because it outperformed everything else

PB should be the ST talent, not AoE:

[polar cape]

Legion PB diagnosed my bi polar syndrome

[soft shale]

funny thing about legion is you had pb but people forget about blood of the assasinated too

[limber lion]

What is blood of the assassinated?

Oh the one that increased rupture damage

Yeah, because that was shit.

[soft shale]

yea people only remember the broken shit

[limber lion]

Duh

[soft shale]

to be honest if we had pb nowadays

it would also be shit like it is now

same as venom rush

[limber lion]

Why would people care about something that wasn't op or broken

You don't see people talking about Lucid Dreams either

Or Worldvein

[soft shale]

worldvein was so good

lets talk about it for a while

[limber lion]

This is why people remember PB.

[soft shale]

if only blizz didnt stop ar

worldvein was the best scaling power

pb was even more busted on ago poison patches

it could be 30%+

ahahaha

[limber lion]

Yeh, just pulled up one random example

[soft shale]

but yea someone said kingsbane

i would like that instead of the pb we have now

although it seems last row is kind of aoe but meh

[limber lion]

Definitely.

King's Bane would be great.

[strange python]

Why does wowheads doomblade slot suggest shoulders? Are slg shoulders not preferable despite the vers? Ilvl is king?

[limber lion]

Flagellation is kind of similar, but not really.

[limber lion]

Because ilvl is king, correct.

[strange python]

So why would you put doom on shoulders when you can get slg shoulders

[limber lion]

Not sure why it's recommending shoulders, that's definitely wrong.

There is no reason whatsoever to put them on the shoulders, they have the same stats.

We always put them on the gloves.

The guide is probably getting updated when we get a 9.1 release date.

But note that we probably will be using Doomblade on a cloak

in 9.1

[strange python]

Oh boy farming soul ash again

[vital tapir]

no, you're the king for me

[strange python]

I'm excited to farm four fucking legendaries

[vital tapir]

dw, I got 9

[limber lion]

Don't worry, we'll get a lot more of it in 9.1 and it'll be infinite so you can get em all done in a day if you dare :P

[nimble tartan]

bone spikes on charges ye? yall save x charges to dump on vendetta or naw

[limber lion]

[limber lion]

Use SBS during Gemstone windows.

We don't save them for Vendetta windows.

Always gemstone.

[strange python]

The fuck is gemstone

[limber lion]

Heirmir's last trait.

Heirmir's Arsenal: Marrowed Gemstone

[nimble tartan]

sweet seems like less of a hassle cd wise compared to venthy

[strange python]

Assume there's a weakaura for that then

[nimble tartan]

i gotta look at de fights and decide soon tm

[real solar]

venthyr cd is not a hassle at all, necro is harder to play properly @nimble tartan

[limber lion]

Just get a weak aura for Gemstone's and you gucci.

[limber lion]

http://wago.io/MarrowedGemstone

is what I use

I remember the link by heart at this point

:p

[nimble tartan]

not for me im different

[polar cape]

@soft shale blood of the assasinated with pre nerf exang for legion pre patch was nutty af

[spice spire]

Oh omr

[nimble tartan]

for me thinkin like how much longer this fight gonnna last more of a pain than using bspike proper

idk i played hella mfd sniper outlaw im good at that at least

[limber lion]

Yep, each to their own.

[real solar]

Fair enough, I usually just look at kill times and mechanic timing and plan them out beforehand for my Flag

[fathom swift]

has anyone poked at sims with 9.1 soulbind traits yet?

[limber lion]

A little, but they are not implemented in the simc yet

It can only be simmed locally.

[fathom swift]

they should be

yeah

or you can just do it via advanced if you turn ptr on

[limber lion]

Yeah, but you can't sim em with the usual methods, only using the local client.

[limber lion]

Incorrect.

They are not implemented.

[fathom swift]

I did some kyrian ones on raidbots the other day?

[humble ginkgo]

Yo quick q is there no way of knowing when marrowed gemstone is gonna proc like is there a way to manipulate it so you have it at a specific time?

[limber lion]

Wasn't implemented 3 days ago, idk.

At least Heirmir's wasn't.

[fathom swift]

it was when I tried it 3 days ago, possible it was just the kyrian ones

[limber lion]

It procs once every approx 30s

Not much you can do.

[humble ginkgo]

Ok

[limber lion]

Yeah maybe.

[strange python]

Any reason to not just link memory of past sins up with vend?

[sacred isle]

Pretty sure trinkets doesn’t work with any of sins buffs

[real solar]

If you use it prepull, it will always be desynced

if you're using vend on CD

[tulip nacelle]

it's 60 seconds right?

[soft shale]

ya

then3-4 secs for it to proc again depending on luck

[limber lion]

Ah yeah sorry, typed it quick during pull timer

That's correct

[limber lion]

Facts.

[limber lion]

Use all damage trinkets on cooldown, only stat ones with cd's

[soft shale]

you can use memory pre pull

[limber lion]

Yes

[real solar]

i hope you have a gr8 day cev

[gusty mirage]

Same

[limber lion]

Aww, thank you. You too!

[fathom swift]

just tried it again, necros working on raidbots too atm

in case you wanna look at it

just need to add ptr=1

actually

maybe mnemonic equipment isnt yet

idk hard to tell its displaying weirdly

[limber lion]

Yeah, that's the one I'm talking about.

Let me try it out.

Do you have the ME id by chance?

[fathom swift]

i just use full names

350936

[sacred isle]

He’s Finnish, he’s not used to such easy spelled words as mnemonic or equipment 🙂

Words need to have 7 I at least

[west cove]

how do we parse on sludge? i’m really bad at that fight how should i approach xd

[limber lion]

@fathom swift

[thorny pond]

It’s pretty mapped out. Just follow what high parsers are doing

2 shiv before first pillar. 1 between pillars. Vendetta P/2/4 etc

[limber lion]

Yeah, pretty much what Beach said. You also save Flag and SBS charges for pillars.

[fathom swift]

yeah carvers eye is in at least that was the one i checked first

its just not a lot of damage on pure st

[west cove]

i apply flag after hit and shiv before hit i suppose

also using double on use

dunno kill timer is bad because of swarm of alts in raid maybe i should blame on that

[heavy coral]

Thank you very much !

[thorny pond]

Double on use is kinda cancer

[limber lion]

#wow-general message
We have this for the implementation status, but it's sometimes lagging a bit behind on updates.

[limber lion]

You Shiv AFTER he hits the pillar, not before.

Flag before.

[west cove]

gotcha

[limber lion]

Or Flag - Shiv on hit

But always Shiv after the hit.

Double on use is great and the best choice for Sludge.

[fathom swift]

yeah thats just the general simc doc

[limber lion]

Yep.

[real solar]

imagine having two on use trinkets 😦

[thorny pond]

Dread IQD Memories Totem etc

[scenic meteor]

so doomblade ST, zoldyck M+, any others?

[limber lion]

Doomblade for all raid content generally honestly, Zoldyck for heavy AoE.

[scenic meteor]

sunking zoldyck?

[limber lion]

Don't need other legendaries, MA is great for open world content (stuff like the Maw, Torghast, world quests etc)

[scenic meteor]

ah true

i might make a 190 MA

[limber lion]

Depends, Zoldyck is more paddy, Doomblade is used for destroying the boss/shields

[scenic meteor]

does it stack with the MA talent?

[limber lion]

No it does not.

[scenic meteor]

there are no mobility leggos are there? that would be nice QOL

like the warrior leaper one

also do i take CT for p1 adds sire?

and p2 adds too

[minor thicket]

So is Venthyr still going to be best ST for SIN in 9.1?

[limber lion]

Mainly p2

[limber lion]

Yes, but Necrolord is very close and is the better choice for most things.

[scenic meteor]

ST probably but necro looking better for alrounder

[minor thicket]

Ya I hate necro

So not worried

[limber lion]

Necro is better in prio as well

But yeah, just play what you want honestly

[minor thicket]

Venthyr doesn’t change anything in rotation correct?

Just use flagellation?

[scenic meteor]

keep flage to use alongside vendetta

pretty sure

[limber lion]

Yeah pretty much, you use Flag on cooldown.

[limber lion]

Nah, on cooldown.

[scenic meteor]

really? damn

ill keep the advice to @limber lion 😄

[limber lion]

Yes sir. :p

You only sync Flag if you won't miss a cast.

But missing a cast is a big no-no.

[stoic needle]

huh?

wha gwan

[scenic meteor]

https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/1405571173094772737?s=09

World of Warcraft (@Warcraft)

⛓ Chains of Dominaton ⛓

Launching June 29th #Shadowlands https://t.co/uIIRm1Ymn9

Twitter · Jun 17, 2021, 5:00 PM

anyone seen this 😄

[limber lion]

Everyone.

It's crazy.

There's so many things missing or bugged, not sure how

[soft shale]

maybe internal builds are way ahead who knows

[hollow river]

Release date??? Finally

[limber lion]

Yes crazy

[hollow river]

SL hype SL hype

So exactly two weeks?

[west cove]

well there goes my padding dreams before release wont get pi

[limber lion]

2 weeks for 9.1, Mythic raid releases 2 weeks after that.

[scenic meteor]

thats bloody soon

[limber lion]

Sure is.

Not sure how they're releasing it, when there's so many things still missing or bugged.

And balancing is all over the place

[scenic meteor]

have they sorted out the sockets

[hollow river]

How many days should I request off work

[limber lion]

Dom sockets are a mess

[scenic meteor]

or am i going to have to make another doomblade?

[limber lion]

Well, kind of, but not really.

[limber lion]

Probably.

[scenic meteor]

/cry

[limber lion]

We'll just have to wait and see.

[scenic meteor]

guess i will postpone upgrading my doomblade from 225 to 223

[west cove]

buy legendary r4 cape before release to minimize gold loss? xd

[hollow river]

Yep

Can u skip straight to r4

Think so

[spice spire]

Yes

[amber mountain]

I bought one 2 weeks ago before the prices started to rise

[hollow river]

Jumped on the dashing train quick I see

[limber lion]

Alright boys

[hollow river]

[limber lion]

Time to prepare for the influx of assassination fotm gamers

[hollow river]

Yep

I’m sure some of us will help where we can

[limber lion]

It's okay.

[west cove]

what if we get gutted before raid

[limber lion]

I'll never leave.

[spice spire]

Sin isn’t even the best spec for 9.1 is it?

[limber lion]

I never sleep.

[limber lion]

The best spec? For raiding? Probably is.

[spice spire]

Cev gonna be camping and answering

[limber lion]

Not the best in single target, Sub takes that spot.

[spice spire]

Thought sub was looking kinda juicy yeah

[hollow river]

Sin will always be the best spec, for everything. Pfft.

[limber lion]

But generally it's the better raiding spec.

[spice spire]

It’s mostly cleave though too this tier isn’t it?

[limber lion]

Yeah quite a bit.

[spice spire]

Excellent

[limber lion]

Will be interesting to see how the sims look like now that we're getting the patch

[hollow river]

Will sims always be optimized gear wise?

Like I assume they don’t have to optimize APL for anything except soulbinds and legendaries and stuff right

And trinkets/stuff with procs

[weary marten]

depends on trinket complexity though, a simple RPPM proc will be easy to simulate, otherwise maybe not

[mossy crown]

is sin looking good for 9.1?

[spice spire]

It’s looking the same as it does right this second

Pretty good

[mossy crown]

and most fights seem to be ST

[craggy nimbus]

Is the Dashing still best for raiding?

[weary marten]

ST with cleave, that's why necro seems to take an edge there

[mossy crown]

yeah I'm venth

[hollow river]

Doomblade on cloak

[weary marten]

venth strong for sub only most likely

[craggy nimbus]

Ah sorry @hollow river , haven't raided at all on my rogue. Starting again this patch :)

[limber lion]

Currently it's looking like Doomblade on cloak is the best choice, but we're not 100% sure yet

Again, balancing and tuning can happen during the heroic week

which can change a lot of things for us.

[craggy nimbus]

Yea I guess. I have 10k ashes saved up to buy whatever is needed when it starts

[amber mountain]

It has begun

[real solar]

We need to make a 9.1 FAQ

[hazy crater]

It's going to be a weird few weeks answering questions about 9.1. Because it's coming but also its not really ready imo

[zealous marsh]

so they want to fix things on living organism?

[limber lion]

We'll probably be doing some pins and keeping everyone updated, no worries.

[hallow bough]

So what are you guys thoughts on necro vs venthyr for 9.1? Cause most bosses do seem ST

[zealous marsh]

coz from what i'm reading here a lot needs fixing / balancing / tuning

[hallow bough]

Venthyr seems better?

[minor thicket]

Is NF comparable to Venth for ST?

[real solar]

no point in being NF/Kyrian at all

[hazy crater]

There is like 2 ST bosses

[real solar]

Just go Necro :^)

[stoic needle]

have fun boys i'm going back to tbc

[hazy crater]

so necro is looking like the go to

[minor thicket]

I hate necro

[spice spire]

He was here the whole time

[hallow bough]

I see

[spice spire]

I lied

[hallow bough]

Okay I will try necro

[limber lion]

Yeah, I'm back now.

I had to kill SKS on my alt real quick

Getting giga news like this during a mythic raid is frustrating

[spice spire]

Doing gods work

[limber lion]

But we're done with the raid now, so I can put my full focus in here.

[craggy nimbus]

I'm swapping to Necro from NF aswell, Necro is better for Outlaqw aswell

[spice spire]

Whispyr gonna come in tilted

It’s happening sooner than I thought

[limber lion]

NF is honestly not a great choice, Necrolord is the best covenant for overall. But if you like Venthyr, just stick to Venthyr.

[hollow river]

[limber lion]

You don't need to play the ultimate best covenant, especially if you're not in a HOF guild or pushing super high keys

[amber mountain]

I'm gonna repost my meme from yesterday.... I started Venthyr and switched to Necro... and...

[limber lion]

Nah, I doubt it.

I'll keep things in control for now, as much as I can

[minor thicket]

Problem is I play outlaw and SIN and im currently NF

[amber mountain]

And I didn't switch until after the changes to both SBS and Flag

[spice spire]

If you play outlaw and sim Necro is pretty GIGA

[limber lion]

Necrolord is the best covenant for Outlaw

[minor thicket]

I don’t like the necro play style

[limber lion]

And it's not close

You don't have to play Necro if you don't want.

Honestly, just play NF if you feel like it.

It's a few hundred dps, you probably won't notice it honestly

[amber mountain]

Just whatever you do... don't play Kyrian... they're creepy AF

[limber lion]

Human error etc. are more of a factor than covenant choice.

[craggy nimbus]

Nah, I'm just doing heroic raiding and perhaps 2-3 mythic bosses and keys around 15. I'm terribly bored with NF tho so I need a reason to swap^^

[limber lion]

Welcome to the Necro boys then ;)

[cyan dew]

Boys, was playing classic and tbc for over 3 months. What rogue spec will be the best for raiding in 9.1?

[limber lion]

Assassination, Sub for pure single target.

[cyan dew]

ty!!

[limber lion]

But overall, Assassination

Np

[craggy nimbus]

@limber lion Speedswapping starts tonight then ;)

[limber lion]

Good luck!

[spice spire]

I won’t double answer. Damn mobile

[limber lion]

Renown grind should take around 1-2 days, it's not too bad!

[zealous marsh]

So I guess nothing changes

[dim temple]

14 days Boys 9.1 lets go ..

[zealous marsh]

assa for raid, outlaw for M+

[limber lion]

Not really, we'll have to wait for Heroic week balancing

[coral imp]

venth for sub?

[limber lion]

Pretty much

[limber lion]

Yes

#subtlety

[spice spire]

Minimal changes - sub looks much better than before for both

[hollow river]

Wow people flooding in way faster than I thought xD

[cyan dew]

Sin will be bad on dg and i'll need to play outlaw there? @limber lion

[spice spire]

But still seems a bit worse

[limber lion]

Yes, this is to be expected

[craggy nimbus]

@limber lion Tell that to my 4 kids who aren't in school anymore xD Should be done rather quick tho. Thanks!

[limber lion]

No, sin is very good in m+

Outlaw is quite a bit better in 9.1, but still very good.

[zealous marsh]

well nothing changes in case sub will still suck

[limber lion]

Hah!

[zealous marsh]

coz noone from casuals will want to put effort into playing sub

[limber lion]

Sub is the best single target spec, so it has a place.

[dim temple]

Do we know what convent the raw data? 12 days togo

[zealous marsh]

just to spec into one fight

[cyan dew]

Nice, thanks @limber lion Ceverion.

[limber lion]

Sorry, don't understand the question.

[limber lion]

No worries mate :)

[limber lion]

Yeah, that's fair. But Sub might see play in stuff like Sylvanas as well, but we don't know how the fight functions in the latter phases honestly.

Pure ST might be really good for prog

[cyan dew]

Ohh and covve will be Venthyr for raids?

[limber lion]

Or execute, who knows.

[limber lion]

For sin, Necrolord.

[cyan dew]

K

[dim temple]

Do we have the raw data as data minned as bis and stuff convents

[limber lion]

Not yet, we haven't done sims or anything yet.

[zealous marsh]

didn't sylvanas had add phase?

[limber lion]

The date was announced like 15 minutes ago, we don't have anything yet.

[dim temple]

thanks buddy

[limber lion]

You have to wait a week or two.

[mossy crown]

ah man, started as NF, then to Venth now the grind to Necro

[limber lion]

No worries!

[limber lion]

In p2 yes, but we're not sure how P3 etc. will work.

[limber lion]

It's not too bad, especially if you don't do the sanctum things.

[spice spire]

Venthyr > NF > Venthyr > Necro. You get used to it 🙂

[zealous marsh]

i mean you can safely go assa it's not huge loss

[limber lion]

Just grind renown in raids, do the campaign, weeklies and you're gucci.

[spice spire]

Cev went around the world a few times

[limber lion]

You definitely can, I definitely will.

[zealous marsh]

same here

[limber lion]

Yeah, went back and forth between Venth/Necro

[zealous marsh]

not gonna gear 3 spec

[limber lion]

But Necro is bae,

[zealous marsh]

2 is too much

[spice spire]

Correct it’s not 9.0 where you’re inting by playing a certain spec

Necro is bae

[limber lion]

I just stick to sin for everything, we're great everywhere.

[mossy crown]

I start these sanctum things but stop when I change

[spice spire]

I was lost but now I’m found

[limber lion]

Don't burn yourself out!

2 weeks is still quite a long time to get stuff done

[mossy crown]

I have, was debating rerolling

[limber lion]

No need to grind everything out in a day

[real solar]

2 WEEKS ISNT ENOUGH TIME

[limber lion]

I still don't have 233 weapons

[hollow river]

[real solar]

I have to get glad on 2 more chars and get CE on them

[limber lion]

I'll never have 233 weapons because we're not raiding next week either.

Unlucky.

Maybe next tier.

[limber lion]

Sheez, man's on a whole different grind.

[hollow river]

Just pug first 3? Or get into a friends raid

[naive cypress]

Are there any sims done for Necro vs Venth on PTR?

[limber lion]

Yeah, I'm probably doing the first 6 with some buddies.

[limber lion]

Not yet.

The release date was announced 20 minutes ago

Why would there be sims?=

At least wait a few days lol

[naive cypress]

Bcs PTR has been out for a while

[hollow river]

LOL

[naive cypress]

Nothing wrong about asking is there?

[real solar]

can they buff the next tier raid daggers before they release 9.1

pls and ty

[hollow river]

Everything on PTR is always subject to change

[limber lion]

Sure has, but a lot of things have not been implemented yet

[naive cypress]

Other class discords have already done some.

[amber mountain]

OMG Cev, why aren't you WORKING ON SIMS!!!

[limber lion]

And everything is subject to change.

Like the Sylvanas dagger was changed

3 days ago

[hollow river]

And those could be wrong

[limber lion]

We don't have most of the stuff implemented

The dom sockets are a mess

[naive cypress]

They could be, and most likely are inaccurate. Again, just a question, calm down.

[limber lion]

Can't really do sims when we're missing most stuff and everything is constantly changing.

But we will do those in due time.

[fathom swift]

you can run ur own sims with ptr stuff if you want to but like we just had a conversation about an hour ago a bunch of new soulbinds arent working yet

and domination sockets arent in at all

[pure bridge]

We'll see some pre-Mythic tuning after the first week of Heroic anyways.

[limber lion]

Yes, we will probably see proper sims done after heroic week.

[fathom swift]

so anything you see is with half the new systems missing

[limber lion]

We'll probably have some pre-patch sims before 9.1 drops

[amber mountain]

Yeah, the release date more than anything is a deadline the devs think they can get everything necessary done and tested before

that's about it

[limber lion]

but those will most likely change with tuning.

[limber lion]

I'm not sure about that

A lot of things were missing in 9.0 release as well

or bugged.

[amber mountain]

Yep

that's why i used the word "necessary"

[limber lion]

I think they just need to get the patch out now and fix it as we go

[amber mountain]

their definition is likely very different from ours

[limber lion]

Yeah, I guess that's true.

[real solar]

I just hate how the 2 weeks notice wasn't even a full 2 weeks

[amber mountain]

in my industry we use the term "minimum viable product"

[limber lion]

Raid is functional and the new Korthia zone is done, so I guess that's all the bare necessities done.

Yeah, that's fair.

[limber lion]

Yeah, it's really sudden

but this is how Blizzard usually does things.

[real solar]

Well they usually do 14 days exactly, at least

[limber lion]

Several months without any hints as to when it might be

[amber mountain]

I have a feeling my dedicated M+ group isn't going to make KSM

[limber lion]

Then 2 weeks prior we get the release date.

[limber lion]

Just pug it, it's not too bad :p

Unless your friends are forcing you to do it with them