then on first gems you also slam the other 2 bones
#assassination
soft shale
limber lion
Assuming you're at max-1 before using rupture yes
scenic meteor
then on first gems you also slam the other 2 bones
Wait what is gems?
limber lion
Gemstone proc from Heimir
soft shale
marrowed gemstone
flat kiln
Does the max-1 apply to the venth opening as well? mut>slice>mut>garotte>flag>rupture, but should i mut>garotte>mut>flag instead if i'm not max-1?
scenic meteor
Ah okay I’ve just switched to necro so not done any of this stuff
soft shale
you dont have energy for mut as venth
cerulean nest
god 9.1 is looking spicy for us
soft shale
hell you dont even have energy for garrote most of the time
cerulean nest
I'm here for it
scenic meteor
Assuming you're at max-1 before using rupture yes
Sorry for noob questions what is max-1?
flat kiln
gotcha, so just 3 cp rupture rather than wait? (almost never happens with MA anyway)
stoic needle
Nah you wait and mut again
scenic meteor
Does it mean 5/4 or 6/5 with ds
stoic needle
Waiting isn't the end of the world
limber lion
Does it mean 5/4 or 6/5 with ds
Yes sir.
soft shale
3 cp would be super unlucky so just wait and rupture on that
scenic meteor
Thanks sir
soft shale
although you would have like 80% or so crit getting a 2 cp mut is rough
flat kiln
makes sense thanks
grim jay
what really is rough is getting parried bcs tank turns the boss for no reason
on your critwindow
silent tinsel
What's the dps loss of subterfuge?
limber lion
What's the dps loss of subterfuge?
You should sim it
It'll be different for everyone.
silent tinsel
I guess it depends on how much value you get from multiple garrote on sires cabalists, and it's only 1 vanish so I'm not even sure
limber lion
It's definitely not worth using Subterfuge on Sire.
vapid nimbus
I'm not sure if I missunderstood, but while talented MA, is it wrong to always go Vanish > Env > Mut > Env regardless of the CP gathered but mut during that window?
silent tinsel
I'll probably just get dots on sword then sire, envenom for snd time, and just spare CT and ruptures on cabalists in between refreshes
MA fok more
limber lion
I'm not sure if I missunderstood, but while talented MA, is it wrong to always g...
That is incorrect.
You still follow the same generation rules. Meaning that if you only get 2-3 combo points, you would mutilate again.
limber lion
I'll probably just get dots on sword then sire, envenom for snd time, and just s...
Yes that is fine.
limber lion
MA fok more
This you probably shouldn't do.
The key to parsing well on Sire is to maximizing bleed up time on all targets, managing cooldowns well and having very high uptime on the boss itself.
silent tinsel
I'm trying to kill him, I'm assigned to gloomveil because that's just how our cds end up
limber lion
That's fine, just use cooldowns accordingly.
vapid nimbus
For what bosses in Castle Natharia do we change to CT? I asume Sun King's, Stone Legion and Sire? Would you do it on Huntsman and Council too?
limber lion
For what bosses in Castle Natharia do we change to CT? I asume Sun King's, Ston...
Those 3 that you mentioned are all good candidates for CT.
You should also be playing CT on Huntsman.
But, you should not play CT on Council, unless you're looking to pad on waiters.
vapid nimbus
Thanks Cev!
silent tinsel
Is there any serious dps loss for letting a dot fall off 1 target in cleave? If I'm prepared to ct, but garrote is wearing on sire, and I'm waiting for remornia to come back to hit 4 with ct.
Should I overcap cp to refresh, or as long I'm pooling and garrote exists on someone, it's OK to wait?
limber lion
Is there any serious dps loss for letting a dot fall off 1 target in cleave? If ...
You should never, ever let rupture/garrote drop from your main targets. It's better to just overcap by 1 cp and garrote instead of letting it drop
But you should also not be waiting for Remornia to come back, it's better to just CT immediately and then CT again when Remornia comes back a while later
No point just sitting there waiting for 3-5s with max cp
When there are multiple targets (3 or more), you should have your garrote on cooldown at all times
Meaning that you should also have 3 active garrotes up on 3 enemies at all times.
Garrote is one of our strongest buttons. It deals decent damage, it generates CP and it refunds energy via Venomous Wounds.
There is very little reason why you would not want to press garrote and those scenarios are very rare.
silent tinsel
I don't feel spending cp on one target for ct would exceed having 3 with ct and putting more ruptures
flat kiln
The pins say 5 bleeds are optimal for primary target damage. On a fight like council, should garrote be prioritized over rupture for non prio targets?
limber lion
I don't feel spending cp on one target for ct would exceed having 3 with ct and ...
??
limber lion
The pins say 5 bleeds are optimal for primary target damage. On a fight like cou...
Yes.
You should use both, but garrote > rupture
flat kiln
thanks
silent tinsel
The idea of just ct, then re ct for one target, when dots are being juggled seems wasteful. I already realize this whole phase is pretty much tab target the game
compact pumice
Shard of Domination's sound like a right hassle right now 😦
limber lion
The idea of just ct, then re ct for one target, when dots are being juggled seem...
Your idea of sitting there doing nothing for 5s waiting for Remornia to come back is 100000000000 times worse
You should never wait for Remornia to come back.
scenic meteor
Wait is CT better than PB for pure ST?
silent tinsel
How long till first add wave until P3 anyway, save cds I assume since they all got blown killing gloom
limber lion
You just keep pressing buttons, applying ruptures/garrotes to everything
You CT even on single target
limber lion
Wait is CT better than PB for pure ST?
It's not.
scenic meteor
Ah ok
silent tinsel
That's like 2 minutes alone from her death
limber lion
Honestly, I've read your messages a few times now, and I have no idea what you're trying to say.
Sorry.
silent tinsel
The range blew nearly everything on sinsear, so I get swapped to using cds on gloomveil
limber lion
Still not sure what you're saying.
But you should use cooldowns on Gloom and then hold them for P3.
plain thistle
40.5
limber lion
All phase transitions happen at X.5%
plain thistle
silent tinsel
No you sardine, that was our first p3
vocal kelp
Then you should word it ”Our first P3”
limber lion
No you sardine, that was our first p3
Wow he's so nerfed, the first P3 was 52% and now it's 37%?? whahaat
grim jay
someone knows if Mnemonic Equipment dot stacks like doomblade/ignite?
dawn ivy
mnemonic equipemtn doesnt even work correctly yet i think
limber lion
Too early to say, yeah.
dawn ivy
i know for DKs it wasnt taking into account any of their pet damage so it was doing like 0.2% of their dam lol
for my character i couldnt even find it doing damage
indigo mulch
Those sire nerfs will obly help guilds that was struggling with those 1% wipes on him.
Only*
limber lion
I mean it's a massive nerf, so it will help all guilds quite a bit. Even guilds that are farming him.
soft shale
not really dont understimate the extra % in execute range
getting him to 35% and 20% earlier in p3 is big
limber lion
Some guilds (like my previous guild) could kill all other bosses on farm, but not Sire
So it'll help them a fair bit.
soft shale
now we can do sire with 2 buyers lets gooo
silent tinsel
15 seconds or however much it is made a huge difference
soft shale
one more impale for the apes to die to but still sooo good
limber lion
We didn't even get an extra impale, we just pushed at our normal time pretty much :P
Didn't have to hold dps though, so that's good.
limber lion
Yeh
dim temple
Why is Heirmir better over emeni ? new to neco .. i dont get it
weary marten
Why is Heirmir better over emeni ? new to neco .. i dont get it
heirmir gemstone thingy at the last line, 18% crit every minute
dim temple
ooh
i guess i need more levels now .. only 24 reown level right now and i was simc and get emeni as best for my char lol
weary marten
Do you guys have the plater config to see normal bar but see it in a specific color when SBS is on target
weary marten
i guess i need more levels now .. only 24 reown level right now and i was simc a...
Sure use emeni until then
cerulean nest
what's the best resource to learn +20 key routes/strats?
limber lion
what's the best resource to learn +20 key routes/strats?
Well the best resource is usually just playing the game more and learning stuff as you go.
But there's plenty of streamers that you can follow and mimic.
Ryfie is a great assassination sin streamer, who pushes high keys.
cerulean nest
yeah of course. just wondering if some generous soul has put together a little summary somewhere of tips for higher keys
limber lion
I mean, Ryfie has a guide for Assassination in M+, but it doesn't really go over routes and whatnot
cerulean nest
yeah I've read that, super helpful. but yeah moreso wanting dungeon specific tips
limber lion
Yeh, those are few and far between.
cerulean nest
for sure. worth a shot
im doing like 6.2k ish on 17s. not playing perfectly obviously and not really potting.
im sure CT uptime and fully understanding CD timings would help other than like hold for pride
and regemming towards crit I suppose
vale marten
do we know which slots will have the domination sockets?
thin imp
any tip for SLG? Starting progress today
limber lion
any tip for SLG? Starting progress today
Keep all bleeds up on the boss and the Goliath at all times. You can slam ruptures on the skirmishers, if you know they will live the duration. The first pack for example will likely not survive the duration.
thin imp
I am going with doomblade so I guess I should keep mutilate on both as well righT?
limber lion
If you're necro, make sure to throw SBS on Grashaal on pull so you get it on the boss before he flies away so you get more combo points with SBS during the encounter with Kaal.
limber lion
I am going with doomblade so I guess I should keep mutilate on both as well righ...
No, you do not need to Mutilate multiple targets when running Doomblade. It does not work like that.
Mutilated Flesh's damage compounds, meaning that every time you hit with Mutilate, it adds to the existing dot, instead of replacing it.
It works similarly to Fire Mage's mastery, Ignite.
thin imp
oh I thought it would replace it
limber lion
im doing like 6.2k ish on 17s. not playing perfectly obviously and not really po...
Yeah, well it depends a lot on the dungeon as well. Some dungeons I do 8.5k+ and some I do closer to 7k.
cerulean nest
yeah luckily I'm self-aware enough to know which parts of my play are lacking. I totally think I can get there with some more practice. and basically playing in my raid setup doesnt do me favors either
limber lion
Yeah, that's great. Always looking to improve your gameplay and always being on the lookout on what to improve your play on, will skyrocket your performance.
cerulean nest
this disc has taught me everything I know though. wish more ppl in my guild would actually engage with their class discords lol
limber lion
Not all discords all equal though. :p
But yeah, glad to hear it!
But in the end, we just provide the information and the player does the work.
limber lion
do we know which slots will have the domination sockets?
Yes, currently (afaik) these are the slots
limber lion
This is why some are theorizing that Dashing Scoundrel on the cloak slot will be the new bis legendary for us.
silent tinsel
Mr limit said all discord suck
limber lion
But who knows, maybe we can add domination sockets on our legendaries. They have not yet confirmed nor denied that.
vale marten
i just spent 50k gold and 5k ash to make another doomblade hands cuz mine was haste/vers, hopefully i didnt fuck myself
stoic needle
limber lion
Well you can still get plenty of use out of them
God knows when the patch actually drops.
I'm sure you can make 50k gold and 5k ash before the next raid releases.
stoic needle
You shouldn't recraft legendaries just to change secondaries
That's definitely a waste of ash
vale marten
eh i know but it would bug me im not fully otimized haha
stoic needle
But they're literally the same
vale marten
its 18 dps differnce for me
vale marten
im over 7.2k now
stoic needle
Crit haste doomblade sims as a dps downgrade for me
The sim will change the gear it recommends based on whatever secondaries you chose
vale marten
eh its done now, fuck it
quaint carbon
anyone knows the name of the -not really fair play- addon that give SoA 2nd boss bolt lines ?
stoic needle
limber lion
anyone knows the name of the -not really fair play- addon that give SoA 2nd boss...
I would not recommend using it, as it is clearly unfair play and most likely against the ToS.
grim jay
well its not like one would need it either
if your tank does his thing right they arent hard to dodge
winter vapor
to be fair, it can get damn messy, tanks just need to try and stack turrets in twos
limber lion
Probably don't need one, but the addon in the clip that's been around just makes it super easy.
odd hazel
Yeah but, not hard to track either
odd hazel
Probably don't need one, but the addon in the clip that's been around just makes...
Tbh I didn’t know there was an add on
limber lion
Have you even seen the clip?
odd hazel
Nope
limber lion
welp
quaint carbon
yeah ive seen a live dude using it and wanted to share with friend, but cant remember who it was
limber lion
quaint carbon
ohh nice ty
stoic needle
Imagine if blizzard actually properly telegraphed mob abilities 
odd hazel
I mean, if it’s the fight I’m thinking of
It’s just a matter of keeping track of orbs and the tank pulling the boss away from them
limber lion
Just look at the clip.
limber lion
See, this is what he was talking about.
odd hazel
It shouldn’t be but since the change for add ons prob is
ebon fulcrum
How Crimson Tempest is best used? should I spam it or just use it once and let the dot do its thing? (especially in p1 and p2 at Sire mythic)
limber lion
You should only apply the dot, you never want to spam CT.
ebon fulcrum
tnx
stoic needle
You can refresh it at a maximum of 5 seconds remaining on the dot but no earlier than that
So like for example, when you get gripped after killing the first named add, you can use it on sire + remornia there and then again when the first set of cabalists spawn
But you're likely better off rupturing them both instead
Generally you want to try to pool cp to CT immediately when adds spawn
ebon fulcrum
Generally you want to try to pool cp to CT immediately when adds spawn
In P1 you mean?
stoic needle
P2 as well
For the cabalists
Like when a pair of them spawns you want to ct, then sbs > rupture into each one since they die quickly
Getting ct on both cabalists and sire and remornia with one cast is kinda disgusting damage
ebon fulcrum
Ok I got you. thanks 🙂
limber lion
Just make sure you're not sitting at max combo points and max energy waiting for stuff to spawn.
gusty mirage
@limber lion
limber lion
<:whispy3Wave:840301932090490930> <@165215952479322112>
I've been beasting here for like 7 hours now.
gusty mirage
You're just built dif
limber lion
Glad to see some familiar faces
gusty mirage
I would've been on earlier but I was being an old man and golfing 
gusty mirage
I'll take you 
limber lion
I'll take you <:PES_SuperHappy:585545177783861278>
shy axle
which build do you prefer for sire progress myth? I am using EP/vigor/CT so far, wondering if i should switch to bs later on or if it doesn`t have that much of an impact
balmy condor
Should play bs/deeper for p3 damage since that’s usually the pain point
limber lion
I hate BS/DS/CT personally, I played it on one kill
EP/Vig/CT is honestly fine with the recent nerf.
DS/BS/PB is fine as well, if you're looking to focus more on P3.
But yeah, like Whispyr said, even with the nerfs, you can't really guarantee your team being alive for most of P3, which is why the damage check can get spicy.
balmy condor
balmy condor
alpine latch
I wonder if Doombalde is getting a placement update.
I didn't notice any of the rogue leggos on the list of them that did
stoic needle
hollow river
Does Zoldyck's boost PB? The main hit? I'm assuming it boosts the ticks.
limber lion
It should do, afaik.
hollow river
There's no way to test Zoldyck's on a training dummy is there?
compact pumice
Afaik there's no "main hit" of PB. It just ticks for two seconds
compact pumice
There's no way to test Zoldyck's on a training dummy is there?
If you get the training dummy low enough on HP
hollow river
Hmm. Yeah looks like PB just ticks, but the rest of our bleeds have an initial hit, am still curious/.
compact pumice
neither garrote nor rupture does. CT does though.
hollow river
Hmm
limber lion
Yep. We don't really have execute dummies widely available
deep solstice
Is mechagnome oversimming? I ran a sim of all alliance races since I am unfortunately going alliance, and mechagnome had almost a 40 dps lead over the next closest race
stoic needle
No
compact pumice
mechagnome is the best dps race. I don't know what you mean by oversimming in that regard though
deep solstice
that just seemed like an outlier result
limber lion
Mechagnome is an outlier.
deep solstice
Ok, I just wanted to make sure it was actually that good and not a mistake on my part
limber lion
It's not as useful as Night Elf in M+, but it is definitely the best race for raiding.
compact pumice
Night Elf will win in m+ and PvP yeah
and does decently good on stats too so good overall
deep solstice
ya. I was mainly trying to see if sim recommended something besides NE
mecha is 60 more dps single target lol
compact pumice
But you'll look way cooler as Mechagnome
deep solstice
I kinda hate how they look
limber lion
I would play Mechagnome if I was alliance.
deep solstice
I dont have them unlocked >.>
limber lion
Rip
deep solstice
dark iron dwarf > void elf were the next 2 highest
also dont have those
gnome was the highest base race, but not by that much.
soft shale
void elf is quite good if you also play sub at least
although human and dward are usually quite good all around too
limber lion
It honestly doesn't make much of a difference in the end.
Just play whatever makes you happy.
thorny rampart
on Mythic Denathrius, is it worth to keep CT up on him at all times or just when cleaving stuff?
limber lion
on Mythic Denathrius, is it worth to keep CT up on him at all times or just when...
Yes, you should keep CT up outside of Shiv windows.
thorny rampart
ok got it, tyvm
limber lion
grim jay
kinda hesitant to swap to necro rn considering the guild I joined recently is still trying to kill sire, but what could go wrong with just a 70 dps ST difference 😄
limber lion
kinda hesitant to swap to necro rn considering the guild I joined recently is st...
Necrolord is actually the better covenant for Sire.
It performs quite a bit better in P2 and P3.
grim jay
well makes sense I guess
limber lion
Especially if you run Zoldyck.
grim jay
31 renown should be realistic with a bit of playtime till sunday I guess?
have like 2h a day until friday
fleet anchor
It performs quite a bit better in P2 and P3.
It's also really fun 😛
Although I'm still really unsure what exactly causes the P3 bugs
limber lion
I agree, SBS is so much fun.
grim jay
do you guys use any necro-specific macros? prolly not since its a builder and lowish cd, right?
fleet anchor
I don't have any in particular
hollow river
Some people mouse over macro SBS
compact pumice
sure. mouseover macro SBS
fleet anchor
Other than I double up Fleshcraft on to one of my other buttons with an alt-modifier macro since I'm really low on hotkey space haha
limber lion
I do use a tricks macro, but nothing else.
hollow river
I do use a tricks macro, but nothing else.
I need a focus target macro and tricks as well
grim jay
Other than I double up Fleshcraft on to one of my other buttons with an alt-modi...
same. I always do that with ST builder + AoE builder on 1 and alt+1 for example
limber lion
do you guys use any necro-specific macros? prolly not since its a builder and lo...
Some people do prefer having a mouseover macro for it, because of resets.
Similar to how people macro MFD.
compact pumice
Other than I double up Fleshcraft on to one of my other buttons with an alt-modi...
That's just like binding two abilites just one with a modifier though.
fleet anchor
Yeah I use mouseover for SBS but I use Clique for that
Rather than macros
But I also have mouseover set up for Garrote and Rupture through Clique too
I use my M3/M4 buttons with modifiers for most of my mouseover things since it makes sense to me for mouseover macros to be controlled by my mouse to me 😛
I don't like just slamming mouseover conditionals into my main bar abilities via macro since I always feel like that's a good way to accidentally target the wrong thing 😛
limber lion
I never really found the use for mouseover macros personally. It's more of a preference thing.
I'm just too used to tab-targetting everything, so I just stick to it.
I tried it with SBS, but I just had more issues with it randomly going on the wrong target because my cursor was on top of some random target. :p
grim jay
^same
limber lion
But yeah, stuff like this is really fun on Sire 
grim jay
did someone already see/test if SBS preferably hits target without a dot already on them with the new legendary?
limber lion
Afaik it hits the targets closest to your primary target.
It doesn't prioritize targets without the bleed, just whichever is closest.
Similar to how CT works
limber swallow
do the bonus hits from the legendary apply the dot?
limber lion
Yes they do.
limber swallow
nice.
gloomy knoll
Sbs > garret the future is now
silent tinsel
I like having one target macro if I'm swapping targets amongst a sea of nameplates
limber lion
Yeh, it all comes down to preference in the end.
gleaming condor
dawn ivy
sim yourself
limber lion
Generally DS is used for pure ST fights.
It's also fine with heavy add fights as Necrolord.
gusty mirage
I tried it with SBS, but I just had more issues with it randomly going on the wr...
this happens to me all the time and it tilts me beyond belief
limber lion
this happens to me all the time and it tilts me beyond belief
Same, so my solution was to just remove the mouseover function completely.
It's not like I ever used it anyways 
misty zenith
lean geode
just a really quick question, Best weapon in main or off?
silent tinsel
Even when I sim 3 targets ds comes on top
balmy condor
just a really quick question, Best weapon in main or off?
main
lean geode
ty ty
balmy condor
Even when I sim 3 targets ds comes on top
that'll happen yeh
limber lion
Yeah there's plenty of factors in play. Covenant, other talent choices, fight length, add waves etc.
silent tinsel
Do you think 28% vers has an impact on sim choices?
limber lion
Do you think 28% vers has an impact on sim choices?
Quite possibly. That's a lot of vers.
balmy condor
it will impact in the way that it most likely will suggest literally anything else
silent tinsel
I've fine tuned myself to have 0 mastery 
silent tinsel
I soak 2 nighthunters like the cool guys
compact pumice
Mastery is surprisingly good if you have very little of it. Just because it may be the overall worst stat doesn't mean that it's always useless.
quaint carbon
odd hazel
I've fine tuned myself to have 0 mastery <:PanCoolJuice:384212964128849921>
Do you also have 226 gloves @stoic needle ?
odd hazel
Cool so you’re still better the. Osh
stoic needle
odd hazel
limber lion
oak sky
i just did a weekly key and we didnt get lust until the last boss
and we had double tank
limber lion
west garnet
I've seen Protadins be the group's healers in like, 12s before. Didn't think it'd work but by god we timed the dungeon and nobody died.
oak sky
nah we had a prot warr for 3rd dps
the main tank and the healer were typing for lust so hard on kultharok that i didnt get dispelled for over 10 sec
limber lion
Magic of pugs.
oak sky
at least i got to blast
and maybe i get 226 phial or the good neck from vault
but thats probably mad cope
solid mica
Imagine getting a 226 phial
oak sky
i have a 220 with speed rn feels pretty good
limber lion
I can't wait to get a 226 phial the same week 9.1 is released
just so it gets rendered useless the same day.
oak sky
haha
solid mica
Definetely will happen
oak sky
this is my first season, we can get higher level of the same trinkets next season right?
limber lion
Yes, but we're not sure yet if we can upgrade the current gear in 9.1 or if we have to get a new base item to upgrade.
limber lion
But yes, gear level in general will go up
limber lion
I have not gotten drops from him on Mythic either. Just the covenant conduits.
Don't think I've ever gotten the weapon on any difficulty though.
pliant ravine
sup guys what is better now assasination or subtlety on pvp?
odd hazel
I think both have their good quality’s though for what I can answer
silent tinsel
I gave up phial farming
Did they ever confirm upgrades to mythic raid equivalent with the new m+ scoring?
limber lion
No
limber lion
I got my Phial pretty early and used it for a long time. Mythic Chain was the one that eventually replaced it
If we could upgrade up to mythic levels, I would have never swapped that Phial out.
silent tinsel
Cause vault casino is garbage
odd hazel
Yeah but
limber lion
It's not even that bad now
odd hazel
Mythic + would erase raids again
odd hazel
Which was a problem
limber lion
whatsoever
silent tinsel
And ksm is significantly more time consuming in 9.1
odd hazel
Not really
limber lion
It's not significantly more time consuming than mythic raiding
You get KSM in 2 weeks.
You will not get CE in 2 weeks.
Nor will you kill that many bosses that you actually get any relevant loot from those 2 weeks
silent tinsel
You aren't getting enough Valor to max an item in 2 weeks unless you get lucky
odd hazel
Even if I did mythic CN
limber lion
You aren't getting enough Valor to max an item in 2 weeks unless you get lucky
?
You can literally farm it
It's not limited by time
odd hazel
You can farm max valor in a day
silent tinsel
It is clearly a weekly cap
odd hazel
No
limber lion
Huh
stoic needle
Farming max valor in a day is pretty unrealistic
odd hazel
Yes but you can do it
limber lion
Like even if there was a weekly cap
It's big enough
where you could upgrade one item
to max level
instantly
silent tinsel
905 was only making up for the missed first half of the patch
odd hazel
You aren’t making any sense my guy lol
limber lion
Have you ever raided mythic?
odd hazel
Except that last one
limber lion
Castle Nathria was released in December
There's still people trying to get CE
7 months later
Are you saying that M+ gearing with valor will take as long
silent tinsel
Who cares about the raid, this is about getting enough Valor to upgrade an item 15 times in a week
odd hazel
You literally can
silent tinsel
Valor cap is gonna be like 550 week 1
limber lion
Valor cap is gonna be like 550 week 1
Sure. And?
odd hazel
I’m valor capped so it won’t matter any way lmao
limber lion
So it takes you 4 weeks to upgrade an item to max
A bis item
Let me tell you that during that 4 weeks you will most likely not see a bis item from mythic raiding.
odd hazel
Or you get lucky in the vault
limber lion
It's not "significantly" more time consuming lol
I'd even argue that KSM in 9.0 was harder than it will be in 9.1
because we started from 0
But in 9.1 we will start with fully geared characters from 9.0.5
silent tinsel
2x 8 is not double of 1x8?
silent tinsel
No, I was getting my conquest set
silent tinsel
Why would I
limber lion
You will get KSM faster in 9.1
Because you now have that gear
You don't need to gear from scratch
pliant ravine
what is the best legendary for pvp now guys?
limber lion
what is the best legendary for pvp now guys?
Do not ask PVP questions here. Ask them in #pvp
silent tinsel
I'm probably going to play something else if ptr doesn't have anything new
limber lion
This is PvE.
pliant ravine
oh okey sry
sonic schooner
Finally killed sire mythic
limber lion
I'm probably going to play something else if ptr doesn't have anything new
Feel free.
limber lion
Finally killed sire mythic <:peepohappy:585740413223043075>
Congrats! 
pliant ravine
i thought difference
sonic schooner
it was my worst pull but still parse 78 flex flex
silent tinsel
Complained about what
sonic schooner
@limber lion ok first gotta reclear all nathria, hold on 
limber lion
Just chill.
limber lion
<@!165215952479322112> ok first gotta reclear all nathria, hold on <:kekw:610125...
Yeh, our first reclear with my old guild was very rough. Hopefully you have a better time :p
sonic schooner
it s been 3 weeks sire + 5 weeks stone, idk if we still remember other bosses
limber lion
8 weeks is not too bad.
We started extending on Council and only recleared after killing Sire.
So after like 3 months or something.
Artificer is rough after a long break.
odd hazel
I got a few try’s in on mythic huntsman. That boss is not to bad
limber lion
Yeah, that's pretty much the norm for mythic.
The first 3 ish bosses are very simple, then it ramps up a bit
sonic schooner
when your RL told u to cloak + bop the sinseeker
limber lion
Then the last 2 bosses are a big leap in difficulty.
odd hazel
Isn’t sire nothing compared to SLG
limber lion
Not anymore.
And it really depends on the group.
Some groups spend 300 pulls on SLG and 500+ on Sire.
Some groups spend 400 pulls on SLG and down Sire in like 120
Pre-nerf SLG was a major pain in the ass though.
odd hazel
Weren’t they super bugged
drifting cloud
guilds that killed sire now probably never pulled prenerf slg .p
limber lion
Eh not really.
Some mechanics are a bit janky and it fucks up here and there
but it's not "super buggy"
drifting cloud
the big slg nerf was what like middle of march
limber lion
guilds that killed sire now probably never pulled prenerf slg .p
Yeh probs :p
drifting cloud
been a while
odd hazel
I heard mobs were falling through the floor
limber lion
Very edge cases
Doesn't really happen that often.
The only bug that happened on our group was just some wicked blades being wonky
God, I've been doing nothing for 12 hours now.
Just spent my entire day in discord, mainly in #assassination
Just doing... nothing.
balmy condor
welcome to our life
limber lion
I opened up WoW
and just
disconnected after a while for being afk
that happened like 3 times
limber lion
Yeh. I wish I like alts more
But I'm not much of a fan of alts
I just want to play my rogue
odd hazel
It’s more like an option to do things. I wish I could only play one clsss for ever
Did it for 4 years on a lock though
limber lion
I chose to farm for Invincible instead of just running laps around Oribos
odd hazel
Can you see it ?
limber lion
But I got it in like 3 weeks after I started
So now I don't really have anything else.
balmy condor
ashes next
limber lion
Ehh
odd hazel
Get midnight
limber lion
I'm not much of a mount farmer. I just always wanted to get Invincible to use as my main mount
I guess I should spend some time trying to find a group to push m+ with
I guess that could be fun.
craggy oak
Pushing keys as sin is super fun, but that might be because im not super comfortable with sin/rogue in general, so i have to concentrate
limber lion
It is fun, I just lost the magic because of pugging is so miserable.
Finding a group is the biggest issue for me.
craggy oak
Main dk, thought pugging as rogue would be better, its equally shite
limber lion
I rarely have problems with the actual groups
craggy oak
You want a sad time, go pug with warrior, arms of all specs
craggy oak
^^^^ this
pure moth
Some pugs are worse than others
limber lion
You'd think that someone who has all 20's done and is 10/10M in Mythic would get invited to +21's
but that's just not the case.
craggy oak
Dude
limber lion
Unless you play a Fire Mage/Boomie or whatever.
silent tinsel
You think pugs think rationally?
craggy oak
When i was climbing io, i had the issue of once i got all 17/18s done
limber lion
No point doing a key unless you have the absolute best op classes for your groups
silent tinsel
IO, ilvl, Gearscore, Come to the bank so someone can inspect your gear and kick you because you got a leather piece on a warrior
craggy oak
They ask for 1800/1900 io
Like bruh, i cant get that untill someone lets me in to the higher key
limber lion
IO, ilvl, Gearscore, Come to the bank so someone can inspect your gear and kick ...
I mean, that does sound pretty int.
Yeh, but it's like that on raids as well.
odd hazel
IO is good until people get a hold of it
limber lion
I remember trying to get into heroic back in the day, but I couldn't
because I didn't have curve.
Can't get curve, if I can't get into heroic groups.
The only reasonable fix for that problem is just creating the group yourself.
For both raids and m+.
craggy oak
Nice you just graduated uni, but what about your 5 year experience comes to mind
frail fossil
if u got all the keys to 17/18 u can push ur own key to 19
idk where's the problem here
silent tinsel
Its more just human nature, You want to crush the challenge and have an near unlimited pool of people to pick from
craggy oak
- lazy, never do my own key dont really know why
frail fossil
1) lazy, never do my own key dont really know why
yeah so it's a you problem
not a raiderio problem
or w/e
craggy oak
Also we bitch about pugs but we shouldnt, this game is much better as a group
limber lion
Pushing your own key is more time consuming than joining a group that will give you score for clear.
craggy oak
Like the issue we run into as pugs should be there
frail fossil
if u dont wanna put in the effort, why should people that puts the effort take u in their grp ?
limber lion
Create a group, wipe once, then the key is bricked
limber lion
Then you have to do one m+ to get your key back to the level it was
craggy oak
Got wrong end of stick there
frail fossil
Flower chill man
i'm chill man p sure we agree on the issue even
craggy oak
Pugging should suck to an extent
limber lion
I mean, it is easy for other classes.
craggy oak
To prevent it being prefrable to groups
silent tinsel
Was a good time when shroud was meta for a season
frail fossil
m+ pugging is fine
craggy oak
Fuck that expac
silent tinsel
idk, I only played s1 of bfa
limber lion
Yeah, Shroud has been op in m+ since day 1
limber lion
It only changed in Bfa s3 because of Awakening
frail fossil
just a time commitment
silent tinsel
I don't see groups ask for shroud now, though I rarely do anything other than raid log in SL
craggy oak
At certain keys though, youre right its time because the group is a 50/50 if its gunna complete/time
limber lion
I don't see groups ask for shroud now, though I rarely do anything other than ra...
Shroud is not that widely used in SL anymore.
craggy oak
You might have a nutz fore mage
limber lion
The dungeon design is a big thing.
craggy oak
You may have 1 of the million trash fire mages that have score
silent tinsel
also, the one dude who walks through the mob in shroud thinking it gives him invisibility
craggy oak
They specificaly designed dungeons with that as a factor in mind didnt they for sl?
limber lion
Shroud/Invis pots are still widely used in very high keys.
odd hazel
That makes me want to feed them to shriek wing
limber lion
Just not as much in like 15-22's.
limber lion
They specificaly designed dungeons with that as a factor in mind didnt they for ...
Yes, they designed SL dungeons with M+ in mind.
craggy oak
Ye but thats for pride skips n shit
limber lion
Shroud is not used for pride skips.
craggy oak
Pots are
limber lion
Yep.
craggy oak
You mentioned pots
limber lion
I mentioned both
Both are not used for skips
Just pots
And pots are used for other stuff as well, not just pride skips.
The next season will be interesting to see how it plays out.
silent tinsel
Affix is still wip for 9.1?
limber lion
Everything is WIP in ptr for 9.1
But you can go play m+ in ptr and try it out for yourself now.
steady owl
does cloak not work on massacre in p3 on sire?
balmy condor
correct
plucky cargo
In its current iteration is there still required tank paths and shit for the 9.1 affix
steady owl
ok, i remember reading something about that, but forgot the answer
balmy condor
In its current iteration is there still required tank paths and shit for the 9.1...
not sure what you mean
plucky cargo
Like you need paths to spawn pridefuls at the right time
So tanks have to know the dungeon, plus proper pull routes
Does the new affix require that as well?
plain thistle
ofc
limber lion
To some extent
The Torghast spawns are static
And you need to kill them
And you get buffs from killing them
balmy condor
knowing the dungeon and the route is part of tanking
yes
so tanks will need to know proper pull routes
just like always
plucky cargo
Well, you can complete a dungeon without spawning a pride before a boss
Just wondering if this is less controlled that way
With static random buffs
limber lion
Probably less than Pride, but still necessary.
balmy condor
the mobs seem to be static, but like 8.3's awakened the mobs will come to join in the fight on the last boss if you don't kill them
limber lion
Like you still want the big buffs for the bad parts
plucky cargo
Yeah that’s what I was thinking
limber lion
the mobs seem to be static, but like 8.3's awakened the mobs will come to join i...
They buff the last boss to the heavens as well.
Apparently.
Not sure how big of a buff it really is.
tulip nacelle
One increases physical damage done by like 50% one is a move speed decease aura, one is a healing decease aura also 50% iirc
don't recall the last one rn
plain thistle
last one is a dot
limber lion
Sounds awful.
plain thistle
they basically give their aura to the boss
the fire dude has a dot ticking aura, if you dont kill him, last boss get the same aura
limber lion
I love it.
plain thistle
One increases physical damage done by like 50% one is a move speed decease aura,...
dot and 50% physical damage increase
not sure how strong the dot is, but that and the slow one maybe can be done with last boss
silent tinsel
Are the anima powers as powerful as torghast?
limber lion
No
Most of them are themed around the affixes of dungeons.
Volcanic Plume looking pretty op.
The tank thorns one is crazy as well.
But that's about it
plush delta
when playing around marrowed gemstone soulbind, (obviously not ideal) but say rupture will drop off in 1s and you also have 1s left on gemstone crit buff
would it be better to hit a 5 cp envenom within the crit window, or refresh rupture so it doesnt fall off at all?
plush delta
ok so only change to gemstone is to drop sbs charges?
balmy condor
yes
plush delta
thanks
plain thistle
when playing around marrowed gemstone soulbind, (obviously not ideal) but say ru...
dots are dynamic (with 1 expection), gemstone wont buff the entire duration of rupture
lost horizon
there's like 3 exceptions
but i don't think he was assuming it would snapshot
he was comparing the extra crit for an envenom vs. the loss of dropping rupture uptime a bit
thorny rampart
is it ok to post logs here for some advice?
balmy condor
yep
thorny rampart
feel like i should be doing a bit more dmg, not really sure what i'm doing wrong
i got a hungering kill there just for some basic (dummy) beatage
balmy condor
kinda low garrote uptime, missing shiv casts
thorny rampart
ok i'll look into those, ty
balmy condor
opener looks a little funny
vend before rupture, vanish before shiv, both of those are pretty weird
orchid elk
!wa
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balmy condor
didn't save a shiv going into vendetta
thorny rampart
i've seen a lot of logs people using vend around garrote (4th gcd)
atomic saddle
Is assa actually looking that strong for 9.1?
frail fossil
Is assa actually looking that strong for 9.1?
assa looks out to be one of the best ST spec damage wise yes
thorny rampart
10-15sec to come off hold it?
balmy condor
ye
thorny rampart
ok gotcha
atomic saddle
assa looks out to be one of the best ST spec damage wise yes
thanks
balmy condor
in general though seems okay
balmy condor
you technically missed a flag cast
frail fossil
does very good damage tho
atomic saddle
yea melee sucks
balmy condor
but kinda rough on that kill time
double oil usually sucks too unless you're theotar cheesing
thorny rampart
vend before rupture was pretty bad ngl
balmy condor
which is doesn't seem like
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balmy condor
oil/oil usually ends up just being the worst
balmy condor
np
flat kiln
What's a bigger DPS loss, missing a flag cast, or failing to synchronize flag/vend when you cast them the same amount? Essentially wondering about a rule of thumb when the fight time is on the edge of being able to cast an extra flag or not
balmy condor
missing a flag is much worse
flat kiln
Gotcha, thanks. Guess i'll always cast on CD unless there is a 0% chance of an extra cast then
short token
holy shit we can keep bone spike up on 3 targets?
balmy condor
can keep it on 15 with the necro legendary in 9.1
but yeah
definitely should be multi-dotting
that's why necro is strong
short token
i cant' believe i just realized that
short token
yeah it's ridiculou
i can't believe how much better it is than sepsis
and more fun tbh
wild jackal
/r
short token
you use a weak aura to track the dot on multiple target?
strange python
wait whoever said assa was slow to play tf
playing it just leveling in shadowlands dungeons almost 60 and as necro with the insane combo point gen you feel like the biggest brain mofo around
balmy condor
you use a weak aura to track the dot on multiple target?
Nah nameplates for anything multitarget
balmy condor
playing it just leveling in shadowlands dungeons almost 60 and as necro with the...
That’s necro, not sin
stoic needle
People who say sin is slow to play play outlaw in aoe
Ergo they don't experience sin aoe
stoic needle
I speak nothing but the truth homie
frail fossil
stoic needle
<:doubt:788321872492101682>
oak sky
outlaw aoe playing like an st class PepeLaugh
topaz minnow
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
In general simming yourself is the recommended way to determine stat weights.
The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simulation.
Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery
whole bluff
I'm slowly transitioning to playing ass from outlaw and the idea of garroting/rup more than 2 targets scares me, seems like a lot of tracking and target swapping. Prob gonna stay outlaw for m+ or any boss like Sun King
late grove
whole bluff
Yeah, def need to work on nameplates. Rn I have a lot of junk that I don't really control like numbing poison, some enchant proc, etc
unkempt ginkgo
thanks
206 pulls
was getting burnt out
but got a purple parse on the prog kill
cerulean nest
can keep it on 15 with the necro legendary in 9.1
say what
stoic needle
3 spikes x 5 charges = 15 targets dotted
cerulean nest
holy loly
thorn fjord
qq do i spam CT on adds when theres more than 3 targets or just cast once for bleed and user env after?
austere gorge
if i change covenant, will all my upgraded mission table, portal will reset?
balmy condor
The covenant specific stuff yes
There’s general use mobs like meatball
Those stay
austere gorge
what about the conduits? how long will it take usually to get lashing scars?
1, 2 weeks ?
i remember before i need to get a weekly quest from covenant
thorny pond
Epic calling or if you have rest venari
strange python
is doomblade much worse than zold in keys?
slow wadi
Well on trash u press a lot fok
thorny pond
Certain keys are okay ish. Others you'll get punished
It's not even fok vs mutilate. You just have so many bleeds up and you won't be pressing mutilate vs garrote/CT/rupt/SBS etc.
So the ratio of mutilate to other spells is expanded
But like don't fret and think thr world is ending if you pushed doomblade high and haven't gotten zolds yet.
slow wadi
Plenty of time to get more leges aswell
cobalt pelican
200 years till 9.1 still you can get all of them
thorny pond
And I still don't have dashing.
slow wadi
Me neither and most likely wont make it either
thorny pond
Need zolds with every stat combo just incase
Dashing will be the play. I've drank the raid gem Kool aid
austere gorge
i won't get lashing scars drop conduit until i change to ventyr right?
slow wadi
Correct
stoic needle
qq do i spam CT on adds when theres more than 3 targets or just cast once for bl...
you maintain it like a dot. you can recast ct at 5 seconds remaining but no earlier than that
austere gorge
where is the lashing scars drop? is it in dungeons?
slow wadi
world boss / venari / sire / callings
waxen cloak
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
neat tartan
Do we have to spam SBS during ST fights?
balmy condor
use it during gemstone
neat tartan
Multi: Garrote 3-4>CT>Rupture was my usual so when do we SBS?
neat tartan
use it during gemstone
spam or just 1 shot cos we will over cap points?
balmy condor
1 at the start to apply the dot, then the rest in gemstone
always prevent overcap first tho
final sky
what soulbind and conduits do i want? im a necro and im gonna be doing m+
stoic needle
Heirmir gemstones sudden fractures
Or emeni gnashing chompers if you have two melee dps
final sky
ohh ok
clear shadow
!guide
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burnt latch
Have you guys started swapping to necro in prep for 9.1 or nah? Heard that some rogues are making the switch but havent really understood why
final sky
i started off as necro cause i was told to so not a clue
i have been liking the ability alot though
balmy condor
Have you guys started swapping to necro in prep for 9.1 or nah? Heard that some ...
Already necro for a while
stable arch
all guides dont tell us to use CT on single target even if this is true.. any chance to update the guides?
or is it because they are raid focussed?
balmy condor
Guides often don’t have super minimal stuff like that
burnt latch
Already necro for a while
Because of slight loss in st and massive gain in cleave/aoe?
balmy condor
Because of slight loss in st and massive gain in cleave/aoe?
Yes
burnt latch
Yeah I’ve been sticking with Venthyr because of the mindset that im usually playing outlaw on heavy cleave fights anyways, but I suppose necro is way better for law aswell in cleave so maybe the switch would be warranted
balmy condor
If you play outlaw to any degree, venthyr is kinda trolling imo
burnt latch
Only on SLG and Sun King, and it doesnt feel too bad on slg atleast
But yeah necro for sure better
balmy condor
Do you do m+?
burnt latch
I do my weekly keys for loot, not interested in pushing at all
balmy condor
Yeh then that’s whatever
burnt latch
Yeah, thats the biggest reason I didnt go necro initially and went venth instead at the start of .5
Guess its time to re roll and farm another 16k anima for the portal sadge
west garnet
I assume the PTR soulbinds haven't been tested much? Some of them look pretty intense
soft shale
they are subject to change any day so no real need to super focus on them same as domination sockets
west garnet
Yeah that's a good point. I like brainstorming but brainstorming about things that aren't permanent I guess doesn't make much sense
balmy condor
I’d take that spreadsheet with a huge grain of salt btw
Good chance that it doesn’t get updated often, if at all
slow marsh
Isn't it kinda obvious that necro is the play though?
vestal wren
I’d take that spreadsheet with a huge grain of salt btw
it isn't super well maintained^^
best is still to check the implementation status on github and/or ask in the class discords
balmy condor
yeh
austere gorge
we can get renown to each CN bosses?
balmy condor
yeah
it's obviously not 100%
but you can get renown from every boss, on every individual difficulty, once a week
austere gorge
so if u take all normal to mythic. almost 30 renown in a week? 😛
austere gorge
cool. thanks
balmy condor
but theoretically it's possible
I did lfr/normal/heroic when I swapped
and I think I got 6 or 7
across all 3
austere gorge
ok great. thanks
quaint carbon
is there a ToT macro taht would only go on tank role ? or do i focus tank and do focus macro
balmy condor
shrewd night
balmy condor
too slow old man
quaint carbon
thanks
balmy condor
sacred isle
How does that work in raid?
balmy condor
picks the first one I believe
sacred isle
As expected I guess.
balmy condor
yea
we finish on max-1
so finish on 4 with vigor, 5 with deeper
if you're under that, you would generate instead
austere gorge
ok great. thanks
balmy condor
pleasure
thin imp
which sim would fit the best to the SLG encounter? Also, any assassination rogue pov? I found it quite hard to do a good dps in this bossd
fallen arch
but you can get renown from every boss, on every individual difficulty, once a w...
Are you absolutely sure? I switched 2 days ago and I’m stuck now at renown 30
fallen arch
Ye I see what you mean, but it seems to stop at some point
fallen arch
Then I’m really unlucky with 5 dungeons, 3 bgs and 3 raid bosses, zero drops?
While up until 30 almost evrything gave it
balmy condor
It slows down from almost guaranteed to almost 0?
correct
fallen arch
Yikes
Kinda sucks, i kinda need 31 for Bonesmith Heirmirs last row before raid tonight 
wide hawk
did you do all of LFR?
split grail
is assa and outlaw equally good in raids?
balmy condor
is assa and outlaw equally good in raids?
sin does more single target, outlaw more aoe
wide hawk
generally not a question that can be answered with a short easy answer, but Whispyr summed it up
wide hawk
it will benefit you in the long term for sure
split grail
anyone know if 9.1 raid encounters are more aoe or st heavy
balmy condor
more st usually
wide hawk
better question is how melee friendly it will be at the high levels
split grail
aye whispyr thx guess its worth to learn assa then xd
raven vapor
Kinda sucks, i kinda need 31 for Bonesmith Heirmirs last row before raid tonight...
If you've completed your weekly callings renown stops until reset, i had the same issue last week when swapping to necro. Was able to hit 30 quickly from dailys/raids/quests but after handing in the calling i got 0 for three days of spamming bg/arena/dungeons
wide hawk
If you've completed your weekly callings renown stops until reset, i had the sam...
I think that's tinfoil hat assumptions :p I swapped during the weekend and I accidentally completed both the souls and weekly anima collection quests
I think it used to be the case, but must've been hotfixed
raven vapor
well it definitely seemed to be the case for me, i played more in those three days than i have in a while trying to get 31 before my raid and nothing would drop that last renown
wide hawk
I got lucky on my third m0 dungeon after being stuck on renown 30
quaint carbon
what would be a decent ilvl/dps to start getting a foot into mythic raiding ?
wide hawk
what would be a decent ilvl/dps to start getting a foot into mythic raiding ?
what ilvl are you at now? at this point in the tier it's very easy to get up to 220
but you can do well in mythic with lower gear also
quaint carbon
im 222-3
wide hawk
see that's more than fine
raven vapor
i started mythic at 213 you should be fine at 220+
quaint carbon
aight
wide hawk
what's your haste/crit % at?
quaint carbon
24% and 26%
wide hawk
if you got to 222 with having mostly heavy mastery gear, your experience wouldn't be as fun as if it was haste and crit. 🙂 But those are really good
split grail
as necro assa SBS, do i just see it as a DOT i want to keep up?
fallen arch
well it definitely seemed to be the case for me, i played more in those three da...
Same here, dunno if it was the weekly callings that triggered the stop tho
wide hawk
it's just from renown 30 on it lowers a lot
balmy condor
as necro assa SBS, do i just see it as a DOT i want to keep up?
you recast it during gemstone
fallen arch
Gonna do some more lfr then and hope for the best
split grail
aight thx
wide hawk
do you think there will be more significant changes to Rogues on the PTR before 9.1 comes out Whispyr or will we remain mostly untouched?
wide hawk
with the buffs and changes before and during 9.0.5, all my assassination issues were pretty much fixed
I'm quite happy with how it plays now
fallen arch
with the buffs and changes before and during 9.0.5, all my assassination issues ...
Except for the raid utility that is non existent outside of good dps 
quaint carbon
yeahh i got a bit too much mastery
raven vapor
any word on this raid utility that was mentioned yet?
balmy condor
they haven't even confirmed we're getting any utility
wide hawk
they've mostly been focused on squishing AMZ with a sledgehammer and then trying to put the pieces back together
balmy condor
people are just hyped because they mentioned it as a quick one-off two or three times
it's certainly not this patch we get something, and it's questionable we get it in 9.2, IF AT ALL
limber lion
maybe some light tuning
You know what else could use some light tuning?
raven vapor
yeah it struck me as an offhanded comment anyway but it was definitely something to get our hopes up over
limber lion
balmy condor
You know what else could use some light tuning?
deez nuts?
balmy condor
yeah it struck me as an offhanded comment anyway but it was definitely something...
I wouldn't bother getting hype for something blizzard probably doesn't have any info on themselves
but if that's what you wanna do
wide hawk
dev interview wasn't scripted, so I guess it was jus Ion brainstorming out loud when being put on the spot
split grail
anyone got a minimalistix combo point energy WA ?
balmy condor
https://wago.io/p/Whispyr all my stuff is up here
wide hawk
You're one of those people that doesn't put descriptions in their weakauras 😦
balmy condor
lot of work for unnecesary info imo
the essence tracker I made had toggle switches and settings and all the bells and whistles
and it just was a giant waste of time tbh
wide hawk
descriptions are very useful if you want your stuff to be found by people looking for specific things. Although wago search generally sucks
balmy condor
sure, but at the end of the day I just upload them for backup mostly
they're not intended primarily for the masses to use
I have no problem sharing them
but I'm not going to put in effort to maintain them the same as the huge packs do
mighty willow
Hello guyz, do u think Venthyr with leggo Mutilate will be the go-to for 9.1 ?
balmy condor
we don't know
pretty safe bet that venthyr won't be the go-to
considering it's barely worth it right now
red bloom
yea i dont know why i swapped back for sire, want to be a boner slinger again
balmy condor
wait you swapped to venthyr for sire?
red bloom
im not smart ok
