in one way or another
#assassination
faint harness
limber lion
And Theotar/Deathly Shadows cheese 
fleet anchor
Also when adjusting for the top Vengeance parse I think you'd actually need closer to 8.1k DPS from the entire 19 DPS raid
Rather than 7.5k
fleet anchor
Yeah then you get even more problematic though since you lose 5% damage on all the SPriests 😛
faint harness
havoc
fleet anchor
Havoc's ST is gonna bring down the average though and increase the requirements
faint harness
spriests technically do more than what is required
fleet anchor
Yeah maybe. I've only seen a couple parses that high in P1 though. And probably cuts Rogues off from being possible completely.
fleet anchor
I don't think you are gonna regularly average like 8.2k+ as a Rogue without Battle Shout
noble sonnet
does anyone use weakaura for assassin rogue if so what do you use
stoic needle
I made my own
limber lion
does anyone use weakaura for assassin rogue if so what do you use
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
limber lion
I use Afenar's ^
noble sonnet
oh
then maybe you can answer me this, why isn't envenom on the group? can I add it on it?
limber lion
What do you mean?
Also why do you want it?
Also there is a bar underneath the main 5 squares
Which tracks Envenom
The yellow bar
noble sonnet
where?
noble sonnet
the bottom?
limber lion
Yeah. You very rarely play around Envenom to be honest.
It's not very necessary information
noble sonnet
when do I use it then?
limber lion
You use it as a normal finisher
But you don't play around the buff that you get
Like during cooldowns and lust you just slam Envenom after Envenom
Without caring that the buff will overlap slightly
steady trail
Anyone have a good talent build for Heroic Donny?
limber lion
Anyone have a good talent build for Heroic Donny?
For padding purposes or for killing the boss?
noble sonnet
and that I use it when every dot I have and snd is applied right?
limber lion
and that I use it when every dot I have and snd is applied right?
Yes pretty much
steady trail
killing
limber lion
EP-MA-Vig----CT
noble sonnet
alright thank you for the explanation !
steady trail
you da bomb
limber lion
noble sonnet
I switched from sub because I saw how much dmg sin can do in pve, I like sub and all but that damage looks tasty :p
limber lion
Yup! Sub is seeing pretty substantial buffs to their kit and a new legendary, which might put it ahead of or similar levels to sin in ST.
stoic needle
sub is looking to be pretty good so far on the PTR so you may not need to swap
limber lion
Buuuuut that's a few months away, so let's not jinx it.
odd hazel
tbh, i'd dabble in sub if its that good
noble sonnet
same, I like the theme and kit of sub, sin being second, outlaw is eeeh for me
I didn't think I would enjoy the DoT of assassin
then again I remember I played as teemo in league that plays around DoT lol
limber lion
Yeah, I'm not much a bleed/poison player in other games.
Not sure why I enjoy Assassination so much in WoW.
I always play the sneaky one-shot rogue specs in other games
ie. Subt
kind talon
I mean you’ve been playing it the longest haven’t you
noble sonnet
maybe because assassin sound cool
limber lion
I mean you’ve been playing it the longest haven’t you
I've played Assassination since Legion. Yeh, a pretty long time
dense axle
so how about those shards of domination: "Your damage is increased by 8% when you have 50% or more health than your target" Seems good with Zoldy lego. Wonder if that will tilt it to being better than doom
limber lion
Why does that sound good with Zoldyck?
stoic needle
doubtful, because it'll make doomblade do 8% more damage too
limber lion
Yeah, it's not like it'll only buff Zoldyck up.
dense axle
Zold does execute dmg
odd hazel
yes but more damage with doom makes it even better with ST
zold only is good in execute
dense axle
and if that gem gives 8% dmg during execute HP amounts...
odd hazel
not entire raid.
limber lion
Yeah but you're buffing the already better legendary by 8% as well.
dense axle
right, but it's like phases, just buffing execute phase 8% of normal number vs buffing execute of a more powerful execute phase
odd hazel
it would be interesting to see for sure. but doubtful it'll put it over doom
dense axle
I mean, there's definitely a threshold where it would be better. Just need sims to tell us if it crosses that at 8%
odd hazel
it wouldnt be that good for pure ST bosses
limber lion
I doubt it. Zoldyck is one of our worst ST legendaries.
odd hazel
but add fights/M+ yeet
limber lion
Its niche is aoe and execute.
dense axle
zold is only 400 dps behind doom
limber lion
"only"
odd hazel
thats a lot of dps
low girder
400 is a fucking lot lmao
limber lion
400 is GIGA
stoic needle
Think about it this way
stoic needle
doomblade does 400 dps more for 70% of the fight, zoldyck does 400 dps more than that in 30% of the fight
now buff both by 8%
odd hazel
zold only works on execute
stoic needle
which one is going to do more overall damage
ruby birch
Ah nvm I misread tooltip
dense axle
right, but say you have a dmg profile where X part is a bunch bigger
then you line up 8% more dmg then
the bigger part gets bigger
it's like lining up CDs
odd hazel
the thing is
dense axle
same principle
odd hazel
you wouldnt push the worse ST leggo over the best one
dense axle
just whether it's enough to counter the 3.5% better that doom is
low girder
to put this in perspective
odd hazel
you would pus h the better one evne further ahead
limber lion
It's a fair assessment, but it's inaccurate because of such a big gap between the two legendaries.
low girder
swapping from alacrity to exsang
is very slightly larger dps loss
than doom vs zoldyck
dense axle
It's a fair assessment, but it's inaccurate because of such a big gap between th...
very reasonable take. It'll come down to sims
odd hazel
the thing is.
limber lion
For sure.
odd hazel
the execute phase would have to last a while for it to be better
limber lion
No point even talking about any numbers at this point.
dense axle
well clearly if the fight emphasizes an execute phase it would be BIS
im talking about a normal 5m patchwerk
odd hazel
i mean
doom wins still then
overall
it would push doom ahead just liek it would zold
it might be closer but it wouldnt push ahead since its not active during the whole fight
strange python
necrostonks
kind talon
when the enemy has 40k hp left
kind talon
thats
odd hazel
lmao
ruby birch
Why 40k
odd hazel
it would be good for like M+/Trash fights
kind talon
because you have 40k hp
ruby birch
I thought it was % based
kind talon
if its % based then you have 8% damage
dense axle
it's a % bro
kind talon
for the entire fight p much
dense axle
says it on the tooltip
ruby birch
No
strange python
its like an execute gem
stoic needle
necrostonks
actually the most disgusting mount in the game
ruby birch
You have to be 50% higher
dense axle
so basically 50% to 0
ruby birch
Yeah
stoic needle
i am literally considering changing covenants to get away from that horrible thing
dense axle
if you stay at 100% hp
ruby birch
So I mean
gusty mirage
go kyrian @stoic needle
strange python
boss is 45 % hp you have to be 95 % or more to get the buff
stoic needle
go kyrian <@!502859708504342538>
n 
odd hazel
so again, it would still boost doom more then zold
strange python
is how it works according to wording
dense axle
god damn...if that stacks with itself
limber lion
go kyrian <@!502859708504342538>
No balls
dense axle
cant you equip 5 of those?
dense axle
yeah, but are they unique?
strange python
dno how you acquire
ruby birch
Zoldyck does benefit a lot more if mechanics cuck you
dense axle
probably unique
stoic needle
depends on if the gems are unique or not
dense axle
it would be SO broken
you just do 40% more dmg from ~40% on
like, the whole raid
100% zold would come out ahead then if they stack
strange python
theres not a chance in hell it stacks. It will be a unique gem
ruby birch
that execute phase would have to last a WHILE
Again it depends on mechanics
dense axle
you seem to not understand the math around why you stack cooldowns/buffs. Higher dmg during a higher dmg phase quickly outweighs earlier shitty phases. We're tlaking about potentially 40% more dmg during a 30% bleed and poison buff window
strange python
or idk it would be pretty boring if they were unique
cuz there would be no choice
ruby birch
In a full patchwerk sure
kind talon
does anything look off for sire
dense axle
I dont think youll be able to equip more than 1 tho
kind talon
is it better to go ep vigor with zoldyck?
balmy condor
does anything look off for sire
nop looks good
ruby birch
But if you're forced to get off boss zold picks up the pace
limber lion
does anything look off for sire
Could do with more Exsang
dense axle
oh dude, it's right in the tooltip: Unique-equip
kind talon
dense axle
yeah so no stacking
kind talon
dense axle
lol
strange python
exsang gang 
kind talon
📈
ionic vault
is it normal that as a necro using heirmir I sim higher with Sudden Fractures then well placed steel on Patchwerk sim??
dense axle
nope, I use SF
low girder
yes
ionic vault
Ok. I thought it was better to use well placed steel rather than SF
strange python
back to necrolord tomorrrow 
low girder
they're equal in ST so everyone just runs SF
dense axle
it gets more and more good with more targets too
strange python
and never switching again
ruby birch
Maybe he hates bone boys boners
stoic needle
i'm literally considering spending stygia on it
it's one of the few things keeping me from the fated 7k sim
balmy condor
Maybe he hates ~~bone boys~~ boners
I thought we all agreed to call them boners
low girder
only if you also agree to call it buttrogue
stoic needle
I thought we all agreed to call them boners
strange python
boneass
stoic needle
dense axle
wut, bonemass? is this valheim now?
fleet anchor
haha
dense axle
sneaky cows when blizz?
fleet anchor
Anyone who isn't a diaper gnome just hates their raid team
gloomy knoll
*softcore inting
fleet anchor
I'm enjoying that Orc is actually decent right now, but can't imagine that will last. The joys of static AP buff. 😦
dense axle
I dunno, im a boomer tho. None of this is native tongue
troll rogue for life
I finally gave in with prepatch and changed my look from vanilla
fleet anchor
Troll is pretty solid atm anyway
limber lion
I've always been a belf
stoic needle
what's the context on this? rofl
fleet anchor
lol it was in some of the leaked internal forum posts that came out during that whole "hurr durr TCers are meanies" episode a while ago
Magdalena shared it on Twitter
limber lion
Imagine doing god's work and getting insulted for it
limber lion
It was just people spewing nonsense
fleet anchor
I dunno, some devs were in a bad mood one day. I didn't give it too much more thought but it was a bit funny 😛
Especially considering so many of the devs have TC backgrounds
But it's all good, I mean. We do our best to help the devs but I think our main focus is on helping players first, helping devs second. So doesn't really change too much for us. haha
If they wanna listen they can listen but we're gonna do it anyway
But it is amusing how much that dev gets wrong with that statement above.. like, I would love nothing more than for more builds to be viable. I think most TCers are in that boat. If anything, we're usually the ones who tell people stuff is really close and "choose what you want, this is all within 1%"
It's usually not the TCers saying there is only 1 true way/builds/whatever. If anything, I feel like we generally are the opposite when possible.
ruby birch
"wtf we made restrictions so that players are unable to play the game efficiently, why are these stupid TCers helping them find the most optimal play given our dogshit restrictions 
"
fleet anchor
After all, I've gone Necrolord even though Venthyr sims best and most top parses are Venthyr. And I've been glad to be able to tell people they are relatively close and play what they want.
prisma monolithBOT
fleet anchor
Typically I think a lot of players want to know what the best is in a guide because people are afraid of doing the wrong thing especially with a lot of super complex systems that make it hard to figure out.
Or when they design stuff like Covenants that are a "meaningful choice" (e.g. annoying to change)
So that's kinda on Blizzard for not giving people flexibility
gloomy knoll
TC people are evil meta promoters
fleet anchor
Just encourages folks not making their own decision
limber lion
100% facts. Koji spitting absolute fire.
fleet anchor
Like same reason everyone picks Sudden Fractures like mentioned above
gritty quiver
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
fleet anchor
It's basically the best all-around Conduit and the Conduit energy system is annoying to deal with
So people just pick the best generic one for all situations
limber lion
I would want to discuss it further as it is an interesting topic, but alarm's going off in 5h, gotta get some z's.
fleet anchor
If you could swap Conduits freely there wouldn't be one right answer
Folks would swap more often and have more freedom
dense axle
it's like the Akaari/finality "choice" with sub
akaari might be 40 dps better, but finality will be the better overall choice
fleet anchor
Poisoned Katar vs. WPS vs. Lethal Poisons is an interesting choice that is undermined by the system so just pick the most boring one 😛
limber lion
But the TC's are real OG's who deserve all the credit in the world. They're not enforcing choices on other people, they're just doing research so people can make the choices themselves easier.
dense axle
I'd rather be able to swap for AOE/cleave fights and have 2 different choices than just setting conduits and shit at the start of a tier and not changing until the end
rahter I just swap to OL for M+ and call 'er good
I'd love it if Sin's niche was 2-3 cleave and Sub were actually better than it on ST
then all 3 would have a legit niche
fleet anchor
But the TC's are real OG's who deserve all the credit in the world. They're not ...
I mean, definitely that's what we try to do anyway. Mostly just trying to help people make decisions with the best possible information.
A lot of this stuff is really hard to figure out
And some is quite unintutive
limber lion
You're all doing amazing work, I'm glad we have people like you involved. 
fleet anchor
Also some of it I will admit is selfish. I like parsing too 😄
dense axle
:P
potent rune
for some reason that looks like Whispyr SIMP lol
halcyon zealot
civic trellis
Never too late
kind talon
rogue in my raid is telling me that you go ep vigor if u have crit?
?????
is this correcT?
stoic needle
no
kind talon
i thought so LOL
balmy condor
for some reason that looks like Whispyr SIMP lol
I mean, he is
stoic needle
you go ep vigor on sire if you're trying to pad
kind talon
stoic needle
ep vigor is generally better in aoe regardless of crit
but you dont optimize for aoe on sire you optimize for execute
there's no way that ep vigor is more st
it's just not
he's selling you some bullshit trying to parse on prog
kind talon
hes doing
stoic needle
there's no way he gets 100% uptime on EP that's literally not possible
stoic needle
well he's wrong
kind talon
but hes running PB
stoic needle
that's parsing
kind talon
civic trellis
Is WPS conduit value increased at sludge?
stoic needle
tell him to send you one sim where ep vigor is more dps than bs deeper
on st
jsut one
stoic needle
Is WPS conduit value increased at sludge?
yes
kind talon
no
civic trellis
I guess its enough to be above of 226 sbs
stoic needle
show him this #assassination message
and tell him that denathrius is never going to sit in the pb consistently in p2/3 because of the movement so it's not an option at all
stoic needle
well he's just wrong
gloomy knoll
@shy dust 
kind talon
gloomy knoll
low girder
haven't seen the boss in 3 months
silent stratus
kill time is one of the most common excuse for shitty parse
silent stratus
but it's not so simple: longer kill time somtimes can increase ur dps
if they allow u to do another full vendetta and then kill boss right after
gloomy knoll
not really
silent stratus
yes really, it's math
gloomy knoll
a 4:30 kill always go be better than a 6:30 kill
silent stratus
why?
silent stratus
yes, it
is
outside of the opener intro where you have BL (in case of inerva) etc, you can easily map a function with ur group dmg profile and prove it mathematically
you can intuitively do that looking at ur logs and see ur damage profile
loud niche
yeah, but it was also an arrogant way of asserting yourself, and i thought it would be quite funny if you had been given that answer back after he disagreed with you
loud niche
the faster your kill time from opener the better.
assuming that you don't kill the boss at a bad time
it's such a generalized way to say it, but it's practically correct /shrug
silent stratus
again, you need to look at your dmg profile. assuming for example u did vendetta on 2:00, bc it is a 2 min cd, a kill at 3:30 will probably be less dps than a kill at 4:30
ceteris paribus
loud niche
sure
gloomy knoll
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6vdRUfPxwnc6HmWnssgJ5r https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hqJYHbhwwz9v1k6TS5X7WE
silent stratus
so u did a patchwerk sim of 5 mins and another one of 7 min
and bc u do ~100 dps more
u want to generalize that longer kill time on bosses are worst?
balmy condor
I wish I didn't open this channel
lean coral
i miss the midmaxer guy
low girder
I wish I didn't open this channel
i got a 44 on inerva
you can have my sin card back
revoked
silent stratus
I feel it's almost a need for u of saying something toxic everyday whispyr
balmy condor
balmy condor
I feel it's almost a need for u of saying something toxic everyday whispyr
I didn't realize I was talking to you
for once
silent stratus
it's better u were doing
silent stratus
it doesnt matter for me rofl
lean coral
silent stratus
it's just every single time I see u saying something toxic
when we were just discussing of kill time lmao
silent stratus
alright ur comment was too so I guess it's fine
balmy condor
then I can understand why you're always mad
silent stratus
oh not at all dont worry
how can u assume I'm mad if u were the one randomly popping up and saying
silent stratus
I wish I didn't open this channel
^
balmy condor
I just said something cause the convo is monkey
and you came at me
bro
I don't fucking care
silent stratus
na "bro" im chilling no worries, but if ur being toxic I'm gonna say
gloomy knoll
balmy condor
maybe think about it
silent stratus
maybe think probably a lot of sentences were toxic lmao
silent stratus
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6vdRUfPxwnc6HmWnssgJ5r https://www.raidbo...
can u do the same but 5 and 8 mins?
7 mins is odd bc vendetta 2mins cd
balmy condor
maybe think probably a lot of sentences were toxic lmao
considering I'm in here for hours every day and you're the only one that consistently jumps down my throat, I'm gonna go with it being a you problem
but dunno
maybe I'm toxic to you because I don't like you
that's a distinct possibility
balmy condor
good, then go away
silent stratus
say whatever you want, we were talking and u felt it was necessary for u to come and write a useless and toxic comment
idk if the your attitude or our chat was the monkey one, as u said
^
silent stratus
maybe I'm toxic to you because I don't like you
^
balmy condor
yes
silent stratus
KEKW
balmy condor
its not a secret you say dumb shit
silent stratus
it's fine man, I saw u are an adult
u can easily look at ur comment and understand how toxic u were
next time just close the chat, u'll do a favor to urself
spring drum
What is the best weak aura or addon for shroud?
balmy condor
What is the best weak aura or addon for shroud?
I use this one https://wago.io/S17rjKruX/1
balmy condor
imagine questioning almighty god lord whyspyr in any facet
I mean I'm in no way a god, nor am I correct all the time, but fortyone has made it a habit of just repeatedly just making an issue of literally everything I say, and we've had this conversation like 4 or 5 times now and I'm getting really sick of his shit at this point, so I'm gonna pop off
just how it is
spring drum
THanks ❤️
balmy condor
np 
arctic apex
Feint works on the aoe pulsing damage of pride, right?
cobalt comet
To shut up people saying longer fight can mean higher dps you simply have to talk about %uptime.. sure if you can end on a vendetta it's good for your vendetta uptime but by a way smaller margin than your lust uptime on a shorter fight
Yes it does
gusty mirage
Feint works on the aoe pulsing damage of pride, right?
yeah
cobalt comet
feint is busted you should be using it ALOT
cobalt comet
unless you want 99 parse... which are rigged anyway with PI and ignoring mechanics etc etc, yea
drifting cloud
kindred imp
If you want to fit as many envenoms in a shiv window, is it ok to refresh Rupture prior to pandemic so it does not fall off in the Shiv window? I'd assume yes....
low girder
yes, that's the ideal
wide bolt
As sin with SBS on ST we just keep it from hitting 3 charges?
low girder
in place of the first mut in the opener, and then use them in the gemstone window
from hiermir
wide bolt
first mut from stealth?
low girder
yep
wide bolt
alright soudns good ty
balmy condor
If you want to fit as many envenoms in a shiv window, is it ok to refresh Ruptur...
usually not worth doing regularly, but if it's really close, then go for it I guess
kindred imp
wdym not worth? So you saying that refreshing rupture inside pandemic (and dropping one envenom inside shiv window) is better from numbers POV? :?
balmy condor
yes, usually
kindred imp
fair. Was just wondering, its kinda situational anyway, depending how it lines up
balmy condor
yeah there's nothing in the sims that actually has shown a gain for that
if rupture is currently on the target, you shiv
is the logic
regardless of duration
and you can refresh the rupture during the shiv
it's not ideal, but it's technically the way to go
kindred imp
cool ta
balmy condor
np
shy dust
unless you want 99 parse... which are rigged anyway with PI and ignoring mechani...
Idk about that one chief
cobalt comet
by ignoring mechanics I meant your raid group knows you are in parse mode, they know you will do the strict minimum and will be the only one doing so and everyone else will still pull great dps (90+ parse) is how you get a 100 parse. In china they go even beyond and do what is called PI stacking.. bring 4-5 priest that will cycle PI a single player so he can reach top 10 rank in parse. So with what we were saying you should always use your feint as much as possible unless you are in farming territory and your raid group tells you personally its go time do all you can to parse. Other than that parse is a biased metric that dont mean unless you have gray parse then thats a problem
shy dust
99 parses are not rigged
and even then with some good rng and some PIs you can get rank 1s
drifting cloud
you get what now
balmy condor
yo dawg
we heard you liked pi's
so we got you some pi's
so you can pi with your pi
cobalt comet
like people were arguing earlier shorter fight = more dps = more parse... if you look into those everyone in the raid has 99 parse; in the end you're right that not every 99/100 parse are with PI stacking or ignoring mechanics, but we also cant ignore that PI stacking and ignoring mechanics is what make most of the high parsers community
drifting cloud
I mean not really
youre half wrong, feel free to check r1 speed kill on bosses and you will see usually not even half the dps are 99
and as a rogue you dont really have to ignore any mechanics extra that you probably wouldnt already be doing
rain mortar
Did my first heroic raid on my alt rogue tonight. Looking for some log feedback. He’s a little low on ilvl (205) but did fairly well I think. Anyone able to look at some logs and let me know how I did? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AhaTYL3zyWnKpVRj/#fight=16&type=damage-done&source=13
balmy condor
Did my first heroic raid on my alt rogue tonight. Looking for some log feedback....
all the basics seem to be there, obviously you died on a lot of the fights, which is problematic, but from what I'm looking at, rotationally seems pretty solid
low girder
Dying is also a DPS loss
balmy condor
couple dropped garrote/ruptures here and there
held a shiv maybe a couple seconds too long every now and then
but nothing glaring
fleet anchor
But yeah.. I mean if you want 99% on every fight, yeah you probably need externals
If you want a 99% all-star ranking, you just have to play solid
On every fight
Getting 99% on some fights as Assassination is hard because people just aren't running it that much this late in the tier with the buff so even high ranks on SLG and Sire aren't 99% parses
So really no reason to get too fixated on "99%" parses
balmy condor
So really no reason to get too fixated on "99%" parses
you're right, why stop at 99 when we can hyperfixate on 100%
it's a shiny color
fleet anchor
I've been bouncing around rank 40-60 all-star for Assassination and only have a single 99% parse lol
(For Mythic)
For Heroic, you can get 99% pretty easy by playing solid
If you are well geared
odd hazel
rocking a 95 on H sire, but no Mythic logs because no mythic kills
fleet anchor
And I've never gotten any externals on any parse
So wouldn't really stress about it
fleet anchor
Honestly by comparison Assassination gets way fewer externals than a lot of specs
So it's really less of an issue
kind talon
can someone help me check somth
what was i doing wrong last few pulls other than dying
i was doing way less dps
im dekaichinpo
fleet anchor
Like less than 1/4 to 1/3rd of the top 100 on every fight have externals as Assassination
So it's not like we're up against some insurmountable situation
silent fossil
i’m allstar 96. washed up. 
odd hazel
only rank 1993
rip
when lady inerva is your only non 90 parse 
tbh i dont count my parses though. only heroic parses. gonna aim for some mythic ones hopefully either this patch or next
fleet anchor
*when lady inerva is your only non 90 parse* <:thisisfine:662046479351021589>
Inerva being high or low? 😛
odd hazel
89
silent fossil
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/dalaran/lunaqt#partition=2 i just suck at sludge but don’t have the time to learn how to pump it better
or don’t care, one of the 2
charred mango
finally got mSire down !
plain thistle
guys, i picked CT for sire and forgot to use it on P3
and It was a fucking rank18, how
dawn ivy
looting a 233 weapon and winning 233 ring off a 99 roll feels fantastic
fleet anchor
Because CT on ST is of minimal value even used optimally
dawn ivy
yall should try it every day
silent fossil
i think not using ct on st is like a 17 dps difference or something like that according to some sims whispyr was talking about
fleet anchor
I mean worth doing but won't really change your parse much
plain thistle
hmm, that small?
drifting cloud
you necro jhonwei?
plain thistle
swapped to necro a couple days ago
fleet anchor
I was crushing Sire on some earlier pulls tonight but derped into a rare P2 death on our kill.. RIP
drifting cloud
Yeah necro is ez life on sire
fleet anchor
Didn't realize I was standing in a puddle
fleet anchor
SBS is a ton of fun on Sire
fleet anchor
I use them during lust yeah
And Vendetta
Usually do some triple SBS->Envenom thing after my MA window
drifting cloud
oh they still give max at 7:30?
brisk drum
cant wait to use hidden blades on sire reclear
fleet anchor
We use melee lust after first Blood Price
brisk drum
:>
fleet anchor
At 7:09
plain thistle
after first blood price would be better for me, we use after second
fleet anchor
7:30 would be borderline
Like for me around 8:10 was giving 4 CP
Not sure the exact timing
I assume it's related to the death timing of the big adds
drifting cloud
good to know im gonna go back to necro soonish
fleet anchor
But still not totally clear what causes it
lean coral
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
fleet anchor
Necro is lots of fun
lean coral
gonna be doing sire as necro for first time tomorrow
so i see alot of necro rogues using the bone spike conduit i assume thats for pad?
fleet anchor
Yes
kind talon
Yes
safe barn
oh nice
kind talon
It’s not bad
safe barn
the tank gets less dmg then
safe barn
better than crippiling i guess
lean coral
any tips for sire as necro
fleet anchor
I don't really think there's anything too crazy, but there's a lot of stuff to put SBS on
Everything else is pretty much the same
lean coral
is it worth spiking the adds in p1 if they insta die
lean coral
we do a big soak
kind talon
Sometimes I only have time for like 2 foks
lean coral
but everything gets 1 shot on first soak
lean coral
yeah i stopped using fok on first set
lean coral
well i should say we spawn so many i lag out and the fok comes out when theyre dead
lean coral
ive seen crazy delays with the lag those things cause
kind talon
But for the rest of the soaks
lean coral
weve had it a couple times where the soaks happen mid bloodprice when were in the air
kind talon
I prio fok to poison them in aoe
And then sbs after I have ct and poison ticking
And funnel envenoms with sbs
Also make sure not to overlap ever
Overcap* on sbs charges
lean coral
ive been using pb
kind talon
🤮
Sorry I’m just triggered cause I was progging sire like an hour ago
There’s two other rogues in the raid
stoic needle
stoic needle
low girder
stoic needle
ye
safe barn
bold
stoic needle
from like pull 6 out of 175
kind talon
Ass
stoic needle
yessss
lean coral
i got the stupid trinket on our slg kill
kind talon
233 cape no brim bro
stoic needle
this cape is my first peice of mythic loot lmao
lean coral
and want me to trade it
stoic needle
no vault nothing from kills
dawn ivy
yo you can feint blood price or nah
drifting cloud
nope
kind talon
Even if u could u wouldn’t
low girder
it's not aoe
lean coral
i was skipping slg but got dragged in for more goliath dmg
safe barn
you can cloak blood price
kind talon
Can u cloak the stun
safe barn
the cristalyze?
kind talon
Blood price
lean coral
nah
kind talon
Stuns u 4 seconds?
kind talon
P2 massacre I can cloak or evasion?
I don’t remember which one lol
That would probably help a lot
spice spire
Late but
spice spire
Isn’t massacre physical? I’d think it’s possible? But I haven’t tried
lean coral
ima try it on a wipe
stoic needle
you can't evasion it
kind talon
You sure?
kind talon
Maybe it’s just heroic? Idk
lean coral
nah on mythic
kind talon
Nah evasion
lean coral
my panic cloaks have been on p3 during the shit lineup
stoic needle
ty yall
fleet anchor
bold
I don't really think Assassination on SLG is bold nowadays. Assassination is probably just straight better than Outlaw at SLG currently in a lot of ways.
During pre 9.0.5 prog absolutely Outlaw was the play but currently I think Assassination is just better
safe barn
maybe assassination better but is my assassination better???????
thats the real question........
spice spire
stoic needle
when the adds die in 5 seconds i don't really think outlaw contributes as much as assassination does, especially in terms of goliath/boss dmg
safe barn
I don't really think Assassination on SLG is bold nowadays. Assassination is pro...
You must be right but still, in prog we often take logs too much in account so i can't really argue with RL about this
kind talon
During pre 9.0.5 prog absolutely Outlaw was the play but currently I think Assas...
What can u immune p2 massacre with bro
Someone pls help Sadgers
lean coral
bop
stoic needle
look at this p3 damage
balmy condor
ice block
stoic needle
actually unethical
spice spire
What can u immune p2 massacre with bro
Dodging it
drifting cloud
cloak works in p2
lean coral
look at this p3 damage
zoldyck?
kind talon
Thanks ryler
lean coral
what talents?
lean coral
i should do CT
safe barn
Deeper?
stoic needle
absolutely
spice spire
look at this p3 damage
This prot pally really out here doing 7500? I’m calling the police
stoic needle
deeper is better for necro because you overcap cp less with sbs
kind talon
Deeper is proggers bro
stoic needle
This prot pally really out here doing 7500? I’m calling the police
prot pally also unethical
spice spire
HIGHLY unethical
kind talon
Omega unethical
safe barn
working on my way back to venthyr
kind talon
safe barn
kind talon
Just play necro
stoic needle
kind talon
stoic needle
safe barn
Just play necro
nah, dont like i t
kind talon
Gg
north basin
Too fast phase, without zoldyck it could be almost same maybe
stoic needle
?
kind talon
Too fast phase, without zoldyck it could be almost same maybe
what do u mean bro
@stoic needle GREEN PARSE LETSGO
official graduate of the grey parse gang
how does it feel
kind talon
proggers
11 min kill as well
artificially deflated parse but still green
ur crqcked ig
go off king
stoic needle
we held dps so much
stoic needle
only a month til reclear 
stoic needle
n
kind talon
fleet anchor
You must be right but still, in prog we often take logs too much in account so i...
I mean Outlaw damage will be higher but Assassination boss damage is a lot higher and adds aren't usually the problem on SLG
Think Assassination at 75% Mythic has passed Outlaw by now in overall damage too
spice spire
Wat
odd hazel
tbh, sin is just the better farm spec.
limber swallow
must be all that mastery
silent stratus
crimson tempest is actually cracked out <:OMEGAKEK:666106280292646916>
mythic slg?
fleet anchor
That SLG?
limber swallow
well, that's some beastly tempest damage
kind talon
i mean
stoic needle
i think it's from deeper stratagem
balmy condor
this is the whole fight
nice pad 
kind talon
CT is just cracked
fleet anchor
kind talon
built differently
fleet anchor
This is mine tonight
stoic needle
nice pad <:pepelaff:840855894879371285>
am i a bad person if I CT several times in a row during the intermission when we're aoeing the commandos 
they don't live long enough to do anything else
spice spire
20% 
balmy condor
am i a bad person if I CT several times in a row during the intermission when we...
just maximizing my damage mr raid lead sir
stoic needle
"single target these commandos only!"
serrated bone spikes go flying
I'm just funneling mr raid lead sir!
stoic needle
where did you find this picture of me 
spice spire
In my dreams 
fleet anchor
I mean tbf SBS especially over short periods mostly is just CP gen funnel
Not like it's gonna push Commandos early or whatever 😛
stoic needle
i think it pushed one twice over like 170 pulls
balmy condor
"single target these commandos only!"
*serrated bone spikes go flying*
"why are you hitting the other bosses on council?"
Its prio damage officer I promise!
fleet anchor
My damage is crap on Commandos anyway
stoic needle
you wanna see something actually unethical
look at this shadow priest goliath damage
like honestly what the fuck
balmy condor
sbs is single target tho
I put bone spike on graashal right before we pull so I can get the extra cp during p1 and transition
fleet anchor
I do that for sure
stoic needle
I put bone spike on graashal right before we pull so I can get the extra cp duri...
i literally got flamed all of slg prog for that
spice spire
13% in a 20 man 
stoic needle
"oh there goes gloom pulling on 2 again..."
kind talon
oh there goes gloom doing the correct thing
playing optimally
just shoot urself bro u cant please the idiots
might as well leave the earth
balmy condor
bro he's using a 30 sec cd on an immune boss
stoic needle
i destroyed grashaal though
kind talon
gg
stoic needle
anything that messes up the boomkin's pre pull = verboten
fleet anchor
I cast SBS when the snot balls are almost to the boss
kind talon
this meme brought to you by oogabooga mage main
one of the officers in the guild im playing with
is a kyrian frost mage
stoic needle
i have to sbs on 2 out of a 10 second pull timer or he goes immune right before i can hit him tho
kind talon
stoic needle
i thought about 'accidentially' missing a soak many times when I missed the prepull SBS on him
but i didn't!
kind talon
yo
i just pinned non echoes dmg
from our sire prog tn over 20 pulls
holy shit this is poggers
kind talon
?
pale fossil
That's my situation lolol
kind talon
whats ur char name
pale fossil
Alno
kind talon
thrall?
pale fossil
Yup.
It'll say 3/10 mythic because I made the roster late and have been a spot sub, so I haven't killed many bosses.
stoic needle
yellow gang
kind talon
yellow gang
yes brooo rogues are so sick
u know whats funny?
2 of those rogues are using doomblades
and one of them isnt
stoic needle
pale fossil
I subbed in one night on mythic sire. I'm the first guy off the bench when one of our DKs can't make it.
stoic needle
Yikes if you're matching their damage with zoldyck
stoic needle
Yikes!
stoic needle
Tell them to come here so we can make fun of them
kind talon
pepegeWeird bro
thats my thoughts
nah hes defensive and i dont wanna fail my trial flaming someone
gg
dawn ivy
yo do we know what symbol of hope does for rogues yet
stoic needle
You should just be like 'well I'm using 'worse' talents and doing more damage... Maybe you should try them out :)'
dawn ivy
was hoping the tuning they did to it might mean they thought about it more
kind talon
nah they dont care gg
dawn ivy
sadge
dawn ivy
1 min of CDR to a certain defensive
to your entire raid
plus some mana but no one cares about that
dawn ivy
i think theyre going to give CDR to feint because theyve been trying hard to not give anyone CDR on immunities
low girder
crimson vial
rocky pecan
Wat is the biggest defensive CD rogue got!
low girder
¯_(ツ)_/¯
stoic needle
fury and arms get enraged regen and dbts and we get crimson vial
what is this shit man
rocky pecan
Is crimso' vial more than 1min cd?
low girder
30s
feral merlin
gloomy knoll
willow eagle
what is this shit man
Leeching poison 
low girder
well because evasion is completely useless in most pve scenarios
willow eagle
Oh wait
dawn ivy
oh so it is crimson vial
low girder
i also expect some real weird shit would've come out of evasion cheese
dawn ivy
i never saw it work on anything on ptr
willow eagle
Well if they implement the whole "crimson vial can have different bonuses" idea from beta it might be interesting
low girder
i won't hold my breath lol
rocky pecan
You cant see that work for something who reduce cooldoN of an spell who have no xd almost so
willow eagle
But yeah higher chance is they won't alter crimson
low girder
yeah, it entered the game files at one point
gusty mirage
I think that symbols of hope cdr for vial would be decent in pvp esp for outlaw w/ the new talent that heals your teammates with vial
But it’s definitely.... odd
low girder
when i go through the logic in my head it makes sense. rogue is just weird in this context.
rocky pecan
No sense for pvp tho
willow eagle
1 minute cloak would've been sweet
split grail
Question: Is there some rogue trick to Shriekwing I'm not aware of? I'm only parsing greens and I can't figure out why. I'm comparing myself to one of the top 50 in logs and things seem roughly pretty close
gusty mirage
Question: Is there some rogue trick to Shriekwing I'm not aware of? I'm only par...
Kill times
rocky pecan
They reduce by 1 min almost every 3/4 defensive CD
gusty mirage
Intermissions destroy your dps
fleet anchor
That's my situation lolol
wait wut
Who would care about AoE damage in P1? That stuff dies instantly lol
icy ember
what do you guys think they are going to add to rogue for raid utility
kind talon
Question: Is there some rogue trick to Shriekwing I'm not aware of? I'm only par...
ya all ur kills are late pulls
kind talon
what do you guys think they are going to add to rogue for raid utility
probably symbols of hope
it sucks tho
gg
low girder
nothing
icy ember
what is symbols of hope
willow eagle
Question: Is there some rogue trick to Shriekwing I'm not aware of? I'm only par...
Might wanna post the shriek log to identify the problem
low girder
they'll dmg cap AMZ at some point and that'll be it