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balmy condor
hollow escarp
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not bad

limber lion
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Just go Doomblade my boy

balmy condor
limber lion
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Have fun with your 5 minute raid bosses in tyrannical

hollow escarp
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does red mean DK

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or dead?

balmy condor
icy crater
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whats opener for sludge look like? my 2 mins are like 5 sec from coming up for pillar 2

limber lion
hollow escarp
green peak
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Do I even need to make Zoldycks?

limber lion
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Just Vendetta earlier and Vanish earlier.

limber lion
balmy condor
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otherwise probably fine not to

green peak
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I have MA already

hollow escarp
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might be good for prog next tier

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or even this one kekhands

balmy condor
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what's a prog?

limber lion
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Good night cutiepies and Whispyr owoWaveKpop

balmy condor
neat plover
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quick question on H sire.. smoldering sire, should that be soaked by a single person or evenly between the raid?

low girder
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there should be multiple groups

neat plover
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ire*, but thanks. i thought so too

stoic needle
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look at the ooze gang PUMPING on sludge

median igloo
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is that just getting a proc during pillar lol?

stoic needle
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idk man

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every pull is like this

cerulean nest
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how much should I be pooling for shiv window?

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also where in opener should I use flag?

mortal kayak
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are we able to cloak mythic hungering consume? or are the first 2 ticks too much?

cerulean nest
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face the first tick then cloak

mortal kayak
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kk ty

burnt star
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FINALY

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gg 😉

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slg dead

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6 night

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got 233 shoulder

balmy condor
strange python
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what the fuck

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11.5 % trinket?

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is that the other plaguefall trinket

stoic needle
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yeah

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it was it proccing during the pillar

cerulean nest
native silo
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how tf do you guys open on council mythic? boss gets shielded and then you do the run around dance like 10s in

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ive just been holding cds until after first shield but it feels mega bad man

wise fiber
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Hi all. is doomblade viable on M plus this week on Tyrannical?

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or stick with MA?

void pecan
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doomblade is always viable

round harbor
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for parsing, use last vendetta on the third dog or solo with boss with amp?

prisma crescent
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SLG IS DEAD! WE ASS BOY AGAIN

balmy condor
prisma crescent
balmy condor
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If you pool on every envenom out of burst phases

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You’re already maximizing uptimes on envenom/elaborate planning

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You’re pooling for shiv and vendetta when they come up

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You have the energy available if you need to throw out a rupture/garrote first, and then re-build for envenom

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It’s just all around solid

manic haven
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Best guide for pure rotational help?

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About to prog on mythic sludge and outlaw has felt terrible even on just heroic for that fight for me personally

balmy condor
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!guide

prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
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Any of these

polar vigil
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!bis

manic haven
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Cheers Whispyr

balmy condor
fallow otter
leaden garden
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Is asa considered one of the stronger melees atm, for pve?

fallow otter
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At straight up dps is good single target

balmy condor
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We don’t provide a raid buff, but for raw single target we’re very good

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Highest boss damage spec on a lot of fights atm

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And very competitive in ones that we aren’t topping

vital haven
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got my 233 weapon

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finally

round harbor
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i held vendetta for after third dog died and boss died in like 9 seconds

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sadge

stoic needle
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we bring numbing poison

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that's big utility

manic haven
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Is there a consensus best CD usage on mythic sludge?

balmy condor
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Pull/2/4

balmy condor
gloomy knoll
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poggers ty @balmy condor the council shit worked

unknown.png
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gonna try it with ep next week

stoic needle
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utility

balmy condor
gloomy knoll
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honestly feel like vigor ep would just feel better for

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shitty little attendants too

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w/e my raid just stalls ass on attendants i just get giga cucked

prisma crescent
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@gloomy knoll Whats the trick? i wanna know peepohappy

gloomy knoll
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you keep 4-5 bleeds up

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at all times

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if possible 2-3 on the bosses that take no dam

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i wasn't sure if bleeding non damage targets was worth but you get

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a fuck ton of energy lol

prisma crescent
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Ah makes sense, grats on the parse ez

gloomy knoll
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any1 know if there's a way to disable waiter nameplates in clasic ui

stoic needle
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classic ui pepechortle

dusky vault
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There's a wa for it, I don't have it on me though

gloomy knoll
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really!

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lemme see if i can find dat

odd hazel
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do we open with flag ? or do we do normal Rotation opener then use it?

gloomy knoll
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you use it right before you rupture

loud niche
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I thought sin rogues sucked on SLG?

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I was PUMPING bois

gloomy knoll
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we do

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comparatively to every other spec in the game

dapper yew
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do u use Oils or Sharpening Stones

loud niche
loud niche
gloomy knoll
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i mean they just playing the fight bad then

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we have the data on that fight

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sin rogues can be played yea

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but they aren't good on that fight by any means xd

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especially since p3 in that fight is the easiest part

loud niche
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I won't say they were like PUMPERS or anything. But feels like we're certainly competitive lol

gloomy knoll
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nope

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sin is like what 1k behind

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otulaw

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and outlaws not even good on that fight

loud niche
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out dpsed an otl all night

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woo! poggers

stoic needle
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just cuz u have bad people in your raid doesn't make sin good for slg lmao

gloomy knoll
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yea sins like bottom 4 dps

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for that fight

loud niche
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survival hunter is #1 for that fight

gloomy knoll
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yea they got good aoe

jade coral
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yay doomblade was the right huntsman choice!! 😄

brittle pawn
balmy condor
stoic needle
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I passed my trial partydog

brittle pawn
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on wyrmrest?

stoic needle
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Hell no

brittle pawn
stoic needle
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It's on thrall

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I'm literally transferring tomorrow

unkempt ginkgo
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does someone want to review my logs?

slow marsh
stoic needle
cunning needle
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😼 gratz

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havent you been pugging for the last 2 months?

stoic needle
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Yeah lmao

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It's been suffering

cunning needle
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now we gaming

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also

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can anyone tell why my ilvl 210 is simming higher than my ilvl 235?

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im very confused

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wait nevermind im stupid i simmed the wrong shoulders

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ignore me

slow marsh
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Rip

supple pelican
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Anyone got a mythic donnie kill as sin? wondering about some lineups

quiet valley
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Ask away

supple pelican
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Vendetta @ 0:05~ > 3:20 (evershade) or 0:05 > off cd + offset Flag

quiet valley
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Ive only been necro/nf but i doubt u need 2x vendetta in p1

shy dust
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You’re using CDs on evershade right

supple pelican
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Seen people use them on evershade and some on dusthollow

shy dust
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If so you would want vendetta on it too

supple pelican
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the people using on dusthollow blow it off CD, others hold

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just depends on other ppls cds i guess then?

hazy crater
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Evershade just melts without anything

quiet valley
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However i use 2nd vendetta on Remornia when we get down bcuz the 1st guy blows up

hazy crater
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Thats what I do as well

supple pelican
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remornia takes more dam because not a boss right

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so lvl 60 vs 63+

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or something?

hazy crater
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remornia just stays at the melee add platform longer

quiet valley
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Because Remornia stays the whole vendetta on the platform

shy dust
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If you’re assigned to cooldown an add

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You cooldown an add

quiet valley
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Yes ofc

shy dust
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You can flag twice in p1

supple pelican
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yeah the 2x flag p1 seems to be the most common

shy dust
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And vendetta on cd basically afterwords

supple pelican
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but some guy like GIGApumped p2 with no vendetta on shade and on hollow

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was like 005, 205, 405, 705, 905. 9:53 kill

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like 8900 dps p2 or something

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wild

quiet valley
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Yeah vendetta lines up perfectly with 2 uses in p3 if you use it when you come down

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Unless you have super high raid dps i guess

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I mean we stop dps just after vendetta comes up in p1 so it depends a lot on your raids dps

supple pelican
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hm, first night for us

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pretty consistent p2 tho

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so was wondering if holding is the play

quiet valley
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Yeah holding is probably the play when you start doing p1 more clean but it doesnt hurt to keep using vendetta in p1 if it makes you consistently push p2

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Unless your raid expects you to blow up an add in early p3

supple pelican
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thats kind of where we are now

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unless someone just flops to a CP or something

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i think 2nd ravage cast finish boss was 80%

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so its "on par"

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ill hold it for a few and see, that 8900 dps p2 was nuts tho monkaOMEGA

quiet valley
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Yeah but you pump in p2 either way

shy dust
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Are you sure

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You saw a log with 8.9k dps in P2

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The highest ive seen so far is 8.2k

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From quickly looking at some of the top logs

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Most seem to be the 7.5k range

quiet valley
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Thats maybe some CT meme? đŸ€”

steep current
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In p2 are you rupture denath/remonia + double cabalist each time?

quiet valley
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Every canalist except in my vendetta window

stiff tapir
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Random question. Deathly shadows works for sin?

quiet valley
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15% for 12sec

stiff tapir
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Wonder if people test that with night stalker for massive crimson tempests instead of MFD > CT

drifting cloud
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massive

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15% dmg buff with 10% uptime

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did you barely pass math in school or

quiet valley
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You must be fantastic at parties Ryler

stiff tapir
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Positively the life of them apparently

drifting cloud
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I mean the guy is an idiot that just spams deathly memes in all channels

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great lego, especially for sin

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does nothing for 108s

stiff tapir
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You okay dude?

drifting cloud
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an on use mastery trinket would make ct do more dmg than deathly

balmy condor
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deathly is awful

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if you want a stealth legendary, run MA

stiff tapir
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Of course, good thing I have that.

supple pelican
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@shy dust Felori in Humble i think is who it was

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was gigaworry

quiet valley
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On his 100 parse he had 7.8k

gloomy knoll
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deathly sin new meta?

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so much burst

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monkaW so much utility

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📈 parse 📈

shy dust
supple pelican
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Somewhere in my history I’ll look tomorrow

supple pagoda
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!oil

prisma monolithBOT
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Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

vital haven
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8900 dps in p2 as sin?

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that would put that person so above the current rank 1 it wouldnt even be close i'd reckon

daring plover
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doable tbh

quiet valley
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Highest i found was just above 8.2 so it prob is doable

dusky vault
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Fuck I have 4 more haste than crit; rip the IQD dream

balmy condor
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?

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Why is that rip

dusky vault
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because haste stat proc in lust is bad

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well not bad but worse than crit

balmy condor
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I mean

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Sure

hard atlas
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whats the best slot to mage for zolduck?

balmy condor
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But that seems really unnecessary

hard atlas
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zoldyck*

shy dust
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Well

balmy condor
hard atlas
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make*

shy dust
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It is a pretty large loss

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To go haste

hard atlas
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god my typing lol

shy dust
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It’s like 70 dps for me or so

balmy condor
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Really

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Hm

shy dust
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Yea

hard atlas
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@shy dust crit haste for stats?

dusky vault
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yeah same more or less for me

shy dust
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I was about to sim it

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By adding a haste gem to my ring which makes haste highest stat

balmy condor
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And that’s with double crit ring enchants, etc?

shy dust
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And I’m in queue for 2500 people

balmy condor
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No premium

shy dust
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Well it’s more so just

balmy condor
shy dust
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When haste becomes higher than crit

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You lose value on Iqd greatly

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It’s why the slg cloak is a loss for me at 233

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By like 50 or so dps

balmy condor
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Yeah I guess if you’re in lust

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And just tons of haste

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I just didn’t think it was that giga

shy dust
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Yeah

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It makes gearing annoying

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When my haste is literally 8 behind my crit

balmy condor
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Just don’t use iqd

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Mess of a trinket even if it is good

dusky vault
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oh wait im dumb I can change my ring enchants

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changing 1 vers enchant to crit gains me 80dps on a 5 min sim pepechortle

shy dust
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Yeah dumb things like that happen

hard atlas
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is it right for me to sim 5 bosses in 40sec for M+ sims??

balmy condor
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What a dumb trinket

balmy condor
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If you really want to sim 5 target aoe

hard atlas
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oh is it fixed now? i was told dungeon slice was fucked up

balmy condor
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Do it for longer than 40 seconds

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40 seconds is whack

vestal wren
balmy condor
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Yeah

hard atlas
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what do you meanr aid events?

balmy condor
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Lot of classes don’t support it

shy dust
vestal wren
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add spawn events basically

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but as mentioned, if a class states that dungeon slice is fucked for them, so is any add cleave fight style

balmy condor
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The simulation runs on events spawning the waves, which means time to death and planning ahead for the spawns

vestal wren
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as dungeon slice is nothing else than add spawn events

harsh jasper
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why do we vendetta after rupture?

low girder
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Lmao 76

hard atlas
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so just run dungeon slice then

low girder
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What a dumb trinket

shy dust
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Don’t insult my beloved

balmy condor
low girder
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It can be good and dumb

shy dust
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True

harsh jasper
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i thought the dots snapshotted?

shy dust
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They don’t

harsh jasper
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or do they adjust to current stuff

balmy condor
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They do not

shy dust
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Dynamic

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Very few things snapshot anymore

hard atlas
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^

low girder
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Snapshotting doesn't exist outside of nightstalker

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For rogue

shy dust
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NS snapshots and exsang snaps shots your haste

low girder
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And a couple niche things

hard atlas
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pretty sure snapshotting is on feral still

balmy condor
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NS and Subt only kinda Snapshot

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Cause the added damage snapshots

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But then like

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Vendetta buffs it

gloomy knoll
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i remember in legion we would vanish rupture with ns

balmy condor
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Dynamically

gloomy knoll
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ns is interesting

balmy condor
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So it’s not really a snapshot

hard atlas
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so when i run zoldyck in keys i run sub talent, and when i run doomblade for tyranical weeks go NS or MA?

low girder
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Yeah before we had the mastery levels to make envenom insane with agp

gloomy knoll
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secret rogue scaling

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snapshotting is a thing of the past

balmy condor
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The only true snapshot we have is the haste snapshot on exsang

shy dust
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Getting OP proc on pull for 8.3

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A guaranteed way to get a top 10

low girder
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Rae were you around for the PB bullshit

gloomy knoll
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god i hated pb

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did you proc lots of pb

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or no parse for u

shy dust
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No I didn’t play WoW again until the end of legion

gloomy knoll
low girder
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Rip

shy dust
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And I was a very casual normal raider as sub

low girder
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Double PB in the MA window

hard atlas
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ew casual raiding

low girder
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GG parse inc

gloomy knoll
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casual raiding was hella fun

shy dust
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Pugging normal was hard

gloomy knoll
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it's literally the same thing we do just pretend mythic doesn't exist

balmy condor
shy dust
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I think I only once killed the first heroic boss of antorous

hard atlas
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lol

gloomy knoll
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the only downside of casual raiding

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is seeing people with all that spicy gear

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when you really only ever clear heroic + weeklies

hard atlas
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so what 2nd row talent do i take with doomblade for Tyranical weeks?

shy dust
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@low girder

image0.png
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Beyond casual

low girder
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Lmao

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We like swapped places

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Although you were a lot more casual than I am now

shy dust
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I ran gloomblade

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That should tell all

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About my skill at the time

balmy condor
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You run the normal Subt build

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And just equip doomblade

low girder
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Buff gloomblade

balmy condor
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maybe poison bomb

hard atlas
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so EP Subt vigor CT always in keys when using zoldyck or doomblade

low girder
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Also while I'm here, whispyr I'm trying CT on sire tomorrow. Dumb question, how far out does the not refreshing in shiv window go. If CT falls off in 3s but shiv is coming up around then do I still refresh

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Talking ST

balmy condor
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You obey the pooling

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And if shiv has 0.3 seconds left but you’ll overcap, you would ct

mossy topaz
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🇮 đŸ…±ïž đŸ‡Ș đŸ‡Ÿ

low girder
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Ah ok

balmy condor
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When in doubt, just envenom

low girder
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Was talking with dk and ryler about it and the gap is actually really small between PB and CT if you run zold

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And with all the movement in p3 CT might just be better

brisk forge
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is [Decanter of Anima-Charged Winds] any good for m+? :S

balmy condor
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That seems weird

balmy condor
daring plover
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p sure ct just sims higher in execute

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for me atleast

balmy condor
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Pb and ct both work with zold

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Unless I missed a memo

low girder
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They do

balmy condor
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So I don’t get how that’s possible

low girder
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I ran a 3m execute sim with zoldyck

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And got that

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Top is normal st build

balmy condor
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Hm

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Yeah I don’t get why that’s a thing honestly

low girder
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That's the normal 5m

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Although kinda scuffed

balmy condor
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Yeah

low girder
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With top gear

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Oh I clicked vigor I see

balmy condor
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Idk I’m trying to think what would influence that

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And I’m not sure

low girder
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I'm not sure tbh

daring plover
low girder
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But I figure I'll give it a shot

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Lots of cleave on sire anyway

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Before p3

slender berry
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yea sire also moves out of posion bombs a bit

low girder
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Although ngl CT on single target

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Kinda sucks

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To play lol

balmy condor
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I think this might be an 8.3 nonsense haste thing again

low girder
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Yeah we were thinking that

balmy condor
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Can you rerun it with necro

low girder
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Uh

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Yeah gimme a few

balmy condor
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Kk

slender berry
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yeha for necro its a 61 dps downgrade for me

balmy condor
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Yeah that’s what I thought

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It’s just haste jank

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Which is why we didn’t see it during prog

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Pre-venthyr, and pre-gear uber min-maxing

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Now with venthyr haste and nonsense, there’s a lot of nonsense with like ep vigor and the ct thing now

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At least that’s my explanation

low girder
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i wasn't totally sure which soulbind was used

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so i did both

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also sudden fractures is winning

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hmm

balmy condor
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Yeah that’s normal

low girder
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i haven't been necro yet so wasn't sure

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i locked conduits to 213 for fairness

balmy condor
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Yeh

low girder
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since my lashing is 213

balmy condor
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Shouldn’t matter

low girder
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yeah pretty significant loss here

balmy condor
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Necro Just has the least random nonsense

low girder
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lemme find the venthyr one

balmy condor
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Kyrian cp make jank

low girder
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there's the venthyr

balmy condor
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Fae stuff is weird too

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Yep

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Venthyr haste jank confirmed

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Same as the ep/vigor stuff

low girder
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welp

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hope you're ready for CT single target

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in the coming patches

balmy condor
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I’m necro

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XD

low girder
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lmao

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but yeah i saw this and was like hmm

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and with ksp talking about it

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figure i'll give it a go

gloomy knoll
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neato

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so if you run zdicks

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ct probably go brrr on denny

gloomy knoll
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the reason the stat corruptions made builds like that viable was also due to the fact that they just made stats worth more and more by stacking upon themselves

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i doubt we'd see something that far again without an ability that provided that much haste and not requiring us to stack it in its raw form which would devalue it

low girder
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just more of a raw stat inflation thing, i don't think it would take too much more haste for venthyr for it to be bis

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seeing that

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at least with zoldyck, the numbers change drastically with doomblade

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CT ends up being like -100 loss

gloomy knoll
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yea

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maybe with just how much secondary stats we have in later patches

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it could happen

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i like fast sin

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it's fun

low girder
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i had the doomblade one somewhere

gloomy knoll
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is why sin 2T cleave is so nutty

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yea is much worse

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maybe we'll switch to ep / vigor in 9.1 though

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it's already close for me

low girder
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yeah -66 in that sim for me

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although for venthyr idk

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necro probably

gloomy knoll
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it's not too far off for venth

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lemme check mien

low girder
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and most of that is vigor

gloomy knoll
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yea

low girder
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jk no it's not

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just the combo makes it less bad

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lol

gloomy knoll
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vigor sucks iirc

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ep makes vigor suck less

low girder
gloomy knoll
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waduheck

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oh necro

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duh lol

low girder
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ye that's venthyr lol

gloomy knoll
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here's mine

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ep vigor is 30 dps behind on st

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*40

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ct is about 70 behind

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in any multitarget they skyrocket ahead so yea we could be running them on st this xpac maybe

patent topaz
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-26 for me on EP + vigor

low girder
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yeah it's fairly close. might happen at some point

gloomy knoll
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if we reach a world

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where ct is bis for st too

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i wonder if that would devalue db

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and make zdicks bis

low girder
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i think doomblade is too good to make CT worth it

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for now

gloomy knoll
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yea

low girder
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unless you need the zoldyck's

gloomy knoll
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i do like having an execute tho xd

slender berry
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Doesn't ct also give more envenom dmg with doomblade?

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So it's not like it only has synergy with zoldyck

low girder
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it does but you drop envenoms for it

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so the difference is larger

plucky sluice
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maaan, again no dagger in vault... seems i rly have to play pvp 😩

mossy topaz
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crit/haste ma ring for m+?

soft shale
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assa wants crit/mastery for m+ but if you also want to play outlaw haste/vers is neutral for both

hollow escarp
#

6800 gamer Sadge

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my sims don't like haste, 223 heavy crit neck sims better than 226 heavy haste

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but I have 25% (820) haste with it

celest sundial
#

does the doomblade bleed work with Venomous Wounds passive?

low girder
#

It does not

cunning needle
#

any necro rogues around to give feedback on how it feels?

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thinking of swapping my nf rogue

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but i still play outlaw for keys

hollow escarp
#

haven't played necro sin myself but I've heard good things about it

cunning needle
#

its like 100 sim dps less ST

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6.35 vs 6.25

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so dps it's probably fine

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but feeling wise does it make rotation more clunky?

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or is it just

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sbs at the start then forget

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and use off cd when you want to get 5cp

hollow escarp
#

I think you still wanna press it as a filler, even on single target sometimes

cunning needle
#

yeah it gives 5CP when you have 3 stacks doesnt it

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or like 4 cp

hollow escarp
#

I know rank 1 rio sin is playing necro

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and there are quite some top performers in warcraft logs with necro

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I intend to swap soon myself

cunning needle
#

off NF or venthyr?

hollow escarp
#

venthyr

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but I have NF and venthyr 40 renown

cunning needle
#

when you swapping?

hollow escarp
#

after I kill Sludgefist 😄

cunning needle
#

lmao

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tonight?

hollow escarp
#

this or next week I guess

cunning needle
#

i really want to try out venthyr though since flag seems hella fun

hollow escarp
#

flag is indeed fun

patent topaz
#

necro should be better on SLG and sire

cunning needle
#

but it's apparently crap for outlaw in keys

patent topaz
#

and is better for m+ too

#

?

cunning needle
#

so guess i'm not having fun

patent topaz
#

its the best for outlaw keys

hollow escarp
#

it looks like it might be better for sin in keys

patent topaz
#

oh you mean venthyr for outlaw

hollow escarp
#

I also simmed dslice and Necro sims more for me on sin

patent topaz
#

its usable

cunning needle
#

yeah venth for outlaw

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is it?

hollow escarp
#

venthyr for outlaw is still good

patent topaz
#

why wouldnt it be

cunning needle
#

i suppose you can ST down a mob

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and it's good for prides

patent topaz
#

I play venthyr outlaw in m+

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its pretty much the same as NF

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I did play korayn cele as NF though

cunning needle
#

just use on a mob that it'll live for for full duration?

hollow escarp
#

you also get 6% vers on theotar with outlaw

cunning needle
#

yeah thats what im doing now

patent topaz
#

as venthyr I play theotar with ma ks

cunning needle
#

😼

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why

patent topaz
#

why not

somber hill
#

!oil

prisma monolithBOT
#

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

hollow escarp
#

maybe that's why I don't do that much dps as outlaw, I'm playing double potency Nadjia Yikes

patent topaz
#

its the same

cunning needle
#

just more fun?

patent topaz
#

on dslice for me at least

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but I use the 2nd potency nadija for pvp so I use theotar for outlaw

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so I dont have to swap conduits

cunning needle
#

how do you use your KS?

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ambush -> bte - > ks?

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or just ambush ks

patent topaz
#

with vanish

cunning needle
#

what about on pull?

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or do standard opener

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then vanish ks

patent topaz
#

go into outlaw channel

cunning needle
#

lmao

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kk

patent topaz
#

there is a !ks command

cunning needle
#

yeah

patent topaz
#

that has just been used by someone

cunning needle
#

wrong channel

patent topaz
#

its written down

cunning needle
#

my b

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thanks

strange python
#

hey if i do have phial 220 and vessel 220, and i've got IQD 226 from weekly is it even worth taking it ?

limber lion
#

Yes

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IQD is really good.

strange python
#

its good on sim but its an oversim all the time

limber lion
#

No such thing as an oversim or sim bait.

#

It sims correctly, you just need to play it right.

strange python
#

it does not count situations that iqd would restore someones mana

limber lion
#

It's one of the best trinkets for short fights and in m+

limber lion
#

You only use it when you get stats or execute.

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You get a weak aura

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And you follow what the weak aura tells you

strange python
#

ok thank you, just thinking if it would be better than vessel on sire mythic progresss

limber lion
#

Could be. I use IQD + Phial myself on Sire.

strange python
#

ok thanks, i would try that

obtuse ruin
#

how do you guys sim stat weights for m+?

vestal wren
#

you usually don't

strange python
#

wait is there an aura that tells u what u get until you use it or just after

#

?

vestal wren
#

stat weights are a very momentary metric and only show you what gains you get by increasing stats on your gear

strange python
vestal wren
#

so overall they might only be usefull to sim enchants/gems

hollow escarp
#

I use that one

obtuse ruin
vestal wren
#

its better to just work on a per gear base, just use top gear if you want to compare stuff

obtuse ruin
#

like multi dotting reduces haste requirement right or did something change

vestal wren
#

or use dropoptimizer to see your best content for upgrades

vestal wren
limber lion
#

It was back in Legion when haste was bad.

tropic echo
#

so my bis trinkets are IQD and wing but im not sure which one to use first, im guessing IQD with cooldowns?

limber lion
#

The way haste worked changed in BFA, where it now gives our bleeds/poisons faster tick rate.

limber lion
obtuse ruin
#

im basically about to craft zoldyck and was wondering what missives to put

#

I think crit/haste is safe bet then

limber lion
vestal wren
#

e.g. you would go with galecallers (that gives you a lot of haste) and snapshot it with exsang at the start of bfa

limber lion
#

Yes sir.

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Snapshotting with exsang was fun :''(

hollow escarp
#

I remember

obtuse ruin
#

is vers actually good for assa?

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over mastery

hollow escarp
#

yes

obtuse ruin
#

pure M+ purposes i never raid so I dont really care too much about ST

vestal wren
#

stats are mostly "don't use mastery"

solar hare
vestal wren
#

but having very low amount of one stat will make it good, so there is that

limber lion
hollow escarp
#

except sub in aoe

solar hare
vestal wren
#

yes mori its for all 3 more or less

limber lion
obtuse ruin
#

ok I crafted crit vers leggo but im guessing I dont have to redo it

shut panther
#

Could you tell me about leggo? Which one is better for raids/m/pvp. Cant find good answer

vestal wren
#

doomblade in pve
zoldy for execute (niche use)

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i think ma for pvp, but not sure

hollow escarp
#

doomblade good for raid
ma good for m+/pvp
zoldyck for execute/m+

vestal wren
#

i don't think that assassination is currently popular in pvp

alpine garden
#

I've had worse weeks

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vestal wren
#

mainly due to the oneshot meme build from #subtlety

obtuse ruin
#

thanks for answering

shut panther
#

Icy veins told me the best one is zoldyck 😒

patent topaz
#

assa is the easier spec for rogue in 2s

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and it does well

limber lion
hollow escarp
#

for all situations

alpine garden
shut panther
#

Oh, got it

hollow escarp
#

I also know Seli's argument for it

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it makes bosses easier 😉

limber lion
#

Doomblade is also a great PvP legendary, not just for raids.

tropic echo
#

it's debatably the best one for denathrius prog since execute is when the fight actually gets hard anyways

vestal wren
#

doomblade is rly good on bosses

hollow escarp
#

I think he plays zoldyck on sludge and sire

alpine garden
#

I thought sludge was a DB fight because of the vuln windows?

limber lion
vestal wren
#

so i wouldn't pick it for boss damage likely (outside of denathrius)

hollow escarp
alpine garden
limber lion
#

How is that weird that it's the biggest dps upgrade then?

hollow escarp
#

ilvl > secondaries

limber lion
#

13 levels and a socket is huge.

patent topaz
#

100% of top 100 on sludge is doomblade. I dont really see the use for zoldyck even if the last pillar is execute

alpine garden
#

Im just surprised that its a bigger upgrade, given rings are all secondary stats, than 7 levels on trinket or 7 on offhand

limber lion
#

Off-hand is the worst item we can equip

hollow escarp
north basin
#

But 90% of mythic sire its above 30% mark tries. Once u get steadily to 30% mythic sire its done, 8-10 tries and kill, no? So why zoldyc)

limber lion
#

P3 is the hard part my boy.

patent topaz
#

I dont think its useful even for that

north basin
#

But guilds not stuck there? They stuck before on learning the fight

patent topaz
#

currently if you have all people alive you will make the p3 check easily

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even with 1-2 deaths

north basin
#

Yep

hollow escarp
#

things change a bit starting with a certain world rank

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in theory it's easy

#

in practice

north basin
#

I didnt see any struggle for guilds below steady 30% attemps

limber lion
#

Just play whatever you want.

alpine garden
#

All I know is on heroic sire we had a 5% wipe, I put on Zoldyck and we killed him

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Anecdotal evidence ftw

hollow escarp
#

well, we work with what we have

patent topaz
#

I played doomblade for sire

hollow escarp
#

got 2-3% wipes with no warrior in group, the difference could have been the kill

patent topaz
#

because I was switching from outlaw and I could make 1 legendary

north basin
#

In the current state of game people on prog denarrius now, are 225 geared.

patent topaz
#

I chose the one that is generally more useful

hollow escarp
#

tbf, this argument was kinda the same for zoldyck even before 9.0.5

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but now we have a higher damage potential so the execute niche is not our cope anymore

slender berry
#

well p1 and p2 dmg really doesnt matter aswell

obtuse ruin
#

I feel like assa is a completely different play style compared to raid and m+

alpine garden
#

p2 matters a bit, to avoid the extra add spawn

north basin
#

Ye lets wait for 9.1. Right now i see no use of zoldyc

hollow escarp
slender berry
alpine garden
#

Oh well if you want to be like that about it

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lol

limber lion
patent topaz
#

you need enough damage to kill all of the adds and push boss to ideally 40.5 or less

limber lion
patent topaz
#

before p3

hollow escarp
clever valve
#

Is it worth pairing MP with zoldycks?

#

or just run EP for M+?

limber lion
#

You only use MP in PvP. Always run EP or BS in PvE.

clever valve
#

It just seems like it would be strong

heavy trail
#

so using niya with assassin I guess we are forced to not take dauntless duelist but the potency combat one?

limber lion
clever valve
#

and is doomblade out performing zoldycks in M+?

limber lion
heavy trail
#

will mainly do m+ I think.... so the shiv conduit not important to lose out on DD ?

limber lion
#

Zoldyck is still the go-to in M+.

limber lion
heavy trail
#

OK haha trying to share or have one sb with sub and one with assassin but I guess it might not that simple

limber lion
#

I mean you can use Nadja with double potency with Lashing Scars + LP/PK, but it's slightly worse than Theotar with Wasteland.

#

Not a huge loss either way

heavy trail
#

Ok thanks C

pliant apex
#

after coming back from shroud phasse, should i hold vendetta for sepssi to come back up

#

on shriekwing?

heavy trail
#

What's LP / PK ? I only have as assassin atm WPS (well place steel)

pliant apex
#

since its almost ready

#

also i pop sepsis just as blod shroud begins, right strat ?

limber lion
hollow escarp
limber lion
hollow escarp
#

but it's just my experience

#

kill times are getting lower every week so pretty sure now you want to wait

#

because the boss might become immune before sepsis explosion

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depends on how you manage to time it

limber lion
#

Shriekwing doesn't transition based on his HP

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He transitions in 2 minute intervals.

hollow escarp
#

I meant timing Sepsis

pliant apex
hollow escarp
#

I remember once I wanted to sneak a sepsis while trying to los PepeLaugh

pliant apex
#

i do it all th etime

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probably not a good thing to do eh

stable ibex
hollow escarp
#

zoldyck

stable ibex
#

ah

limber lion
#

You can see the comment that I replied to lol

limber lion
#

But we're giga chads here who play NS

gloomy fern
hollow escarp
#

I'm really tempted to go MP PB with Dashing PauseChamp

#

but I need soul ash to upgrade my current MA

#

sims don't look that juicy though

limber lion
#

Go for it. I tbh play Subt Vig Zoldyck on my higher keys now, it's more overall passive damage.

#

Really helps when no one has cooldowns up.

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No mitÀs Sami?

gloomy fern
#

another perkele

limber lion
fathom lynx
# cunning needle but feeling wise does it make rotation more clunky?

Necro on single target doesn't change much, I just make sure to pop all of my SBS charges inside of Vendetta or when I need a cheap 2-3 combo points for an extra Envenom inside of Shiv. Otherwise make sure you don't overcap charges.

For Cleave/AoE I pop one charge quite early, and then after I've got a few Ruptures/Garrote running I pump som more SBS into other mobs.

For me it feels very easy and fun to use - which is why I chose it. It only costs 15 energy and gives lots of CP, which I think is whack and really helps me when I mess up my priorities in a fight.

fathom lynx
cunning needle
#

❀ thanks mate

sage fern
#

Is it worth going with doomblade in tyranical weeks?

limber lion
viral zodiac
#

Is Night Fae still the "best" way to go for Assa or would you recommend other covenant. I plan mainly on doing M+ and a little PvP

limber lion
#

Just play whichever covenant you want.

dim temple
#

mythic+ Store or oil?

limber lion
dim temple
#

ty 🙂 sir

obtuse ruin
#

!guide

prisma monolithBOT
limber lion
obtuse ruin
#

what % is your guys crimson tempest after a m+?

hollow escarp
#

15-20%

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with NS

#

I think it's a bit less with subterfuge

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because garrote is usually top damage

#

but even there I had situations where CT was more % than garrote

hazy crater
#

sudden fractures actually big on ST as well poggers

#

should read this chat more sometimes

slender berry
hollow escarp
#

damn

#

6800 here PepeLaugh

limber lion
slender berry
#

cheating with windfury tho

hollow escarp
#

all st sims have windfury

slender berry
#

yea well they shouldnt

hollow escarp
#

the default raidbots settings

slender berry
#

i wonder if windfury wasnt a thing blizz would buff all melee a bit

limber lion
hollow escarp
#

yeah

#

night elf here

#

at least I have fun in M+

limber lion
#

Filthy Alliance players

slender berry
#

how does one have fun in dungeons

limber lion
eternal finch
#

Guys should we use shiv in m+ runs as assasination or save them to dispel enrage ?

hollow escarp
#

if you have boomie or hunter in group, wouldn't worry that much for dispell

slender berry
#

m+ is either boring or annoying nothing in between for me

hollow escarp
#

especially since tanks like crippling poison more

eternal finch
#

I thought for m+ you want to have mind numbing for increase in attack speed

hollow escarp
#

tanks kite a lot, so crippling helps them

limber lion
#

But you can save the shiv for some enrage mechanics, because it's not thaaat relevant.

#

Like the enraged mob in ToP, the decapitator boss, the big mobs in DoS etc.

eternal finch
#

aha, so using on cd sure

quaint dragon
#

Is decanter any good for m+?

green forge
#

Assuming playin with IQD, should I delay trinket for every vendetta or just using it on cds just like flagellation ?

limber lion
limber lion
#

If you know a boss fight is 4-5 minutes, sync it

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If you know it's more than 6 minutes, use it on cooldown

#

Even if you use it on cooldown, it'll be paired up with Flag which is completely fine

green forge
#

Seems obvious when I read it that way, thanks @limber lion

obtuse ruin
#

im guessing im playing it very wrong

steel geyser
#

Hey guys, sim telling me to play Deeper, I was wondering how do you adjust your MA opener if you do not crit twice on the 2nd mutilate.
Here is my example :

Mutilate
SnD
Mutilate no double crit (so only 3/6CP)
Garrote (so 4/6CP)

At this point do you proceed do to the usual Flag Rupture at only 4CP/6 ? Feels wrong but I get starved of energy without vigor so pooling for one more mut feels wrong too.
I checked raidbot reports but couldnt find my answer

hollow escarp
limber lion
steel geyser
#

Tyty

north basin
#

Why we are gimped with existance of windfury totems? I dont have ench shammy at guild

#

-200dps. Sad

limber lion
steel geyser
#

I have one on farming FeelsGoodMan

north basin
#

And top performers - mages need only dh... and we monk war shammy dh. Wtf..

steel geyser
#

u forgot

#

PI's

obtuse ruin
#

Can assa potentially beat ww/havoc in m+?

wispy carbon
#

Hello! I wanted to do few m+ as assa in this week. What is best talent/conduit and legendary setup with weekly affixes now? I'm Venthyr and aiming for 16+ keys

alpine garden
odd kiln
#

!guides

prisma monolithBOT
wispy carbon
#

So I should go with Zoldyck for m+? 🙂

limber lion
wispy carbon
#

Thanks ^^

limber lion
limber lion
#

If they're awful, then maybe.

cobalt flame
#

What would you guys pick. +25 dps trinket or +25 dps ring (ring will be upgrade in like a week after i have stygia for socket) PepeHands

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slender berry
#

probably ring since raid items are easier to get in the long run

karmic crystal
#

Is that true

slender berry
#

well there are far less items in raid and you get 3 items in vault if you reclear

#

also sooner or later youll get the trinket traded to you since its still 2 months of nathria

#

he might never see that or the other bis ring in vault again this season

cobalt flame
#

i have the other one 😄

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slender berry
#

ah well then the sire ring should be just as good

#

probably

#

then it really doesnt matter what you pick

cobalt flame
#

second ring i have now is this

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#

so

slender berry
#

i got the 233 stone legion trinket but i dont use it

steel geyser
#

same

#

even with 5stack of trinket it sims just behind phial + inervatrinket on me

#

and I'm still waiting for dena trinket 233 ofc

cobalt flame
#

it sims +25 from inerva mythic trinket

#

with full group

slender berry
#

for you it does maybe

steel geyser
#

Guess it depends on gear

slender berry
#

well to sum up the answer to your question , both items arent BiS technically and they are the same upgrade for you atm so you can pick either one

cobalt flame
#

yeah i took the ring, a lot of people in our group already trading mythic denathrius trinket

slender berry
#

you might wanna look into 220 phial if slg trinket is a big upgrade for you

cobalt flame
slender berry
#

i really dont understand how slg trinket is 25 dps for you you have 0 vers or what

cobalt flame
#

only 7% peepoShrug

steel geyser
#

yea thats probably it

cobalt flame
#

Yeah after 3 SLG kills and 5 vaults noone from our group got even single SLG shoulders i believe

plain thistle
#

I get that 233 shoulder every week on my vault, I already have it damn it

steel geyser
#

Got it again in vault today, picked the SLG trinket cause still better than 750 stygia

plain thistle
#

just need 2 233 dagger game, plz

steel geyser
#

yea

cobalt flame
#

only one more Sadge

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plain thistle
#

not that it matters, tier is already over and I only log to do re clear and 1 dungeon besad

cobalt flame
#

Yep, same

steel geyser
#

then one more to play outlaw in m+ Sadge

cobalt flame
#

fuck that kekWleave

#

for that one weekly dung I do now assa is perfectly fine 😄

#

+15 doesnt matter what spec u are

steel geyser
#

Weapon restriction feels like I'm playing classic all over again

#

such an outdated feature

crimson terrace
steel geyser
#

yea but I like playing outlaw in m+,

#

not gonna lie, sin is my least favorite spec not gonna play it unless it's bis for the content i'm playing

cobalt flame
#

Well I love sin in raid but have to agree, in dung it is kinda boring

steel geyser
#

yup

silver loom
#

hey guys, i decided to start playing sin again since i have no upgrades to get with outlaw and i miss sin playstyle, i already have MA 235 but idk which one to craft next between doomblade and zoldyck for all content, mostly m+ what do you recommend?

hot chasm
#

Sub was nice and hope it gets some love, but since its the PvP spec it prolly wont

steel geyser
#

Yea

#

I miss sub too

green forge
#

I was wondering when you guys are used to vanish during opener ?
According to RH & Wowhead guide, we should muti>SnD>muti>Garrote>Flag>Rupture>Vendetta>Shiv>Vanish. Which means (in most cases) we got Muti+Envenom+Muti buffed by MA.
On the other hand, according to IV guide, we should muti>SnD>muti>Garrote>Rupture>Vendetta>Flag>muti>Shiv>Vanish. Which means (in most cases) Envenom+Muti+Envenom buffed by MA.

Back to BFA, we used to vanish to get 2 envenom buffed instead of muti. So I was just wondering what you guys are used to do

cobalt flame
#

I miss 2 shadowstep charges Sadge

steel geyser
#

true Sadge

#

@green forge I do the RH one but I'm no expert

hollow escarp
#

with Vigor you can get 2 envenoms

slender berry
steel geyser
#

Feels like not doing Flag before finisher is wrong

cobalt flame
#

Yeah those 2 vanish versions should be about same dps overal

steel geyser
hollow escarp
#

there is no mention of Flaggelation in the IV guide though

#

but yeah, you use that before a finisher

#

usually rupture

silver loom
#

is the difference much overall between them on m+? @steel geyser

steel geyser
#

Idk I play outlaw in m+ KEKW

silver loom
#

same but im kinda burned lol

green forge
steel geyser
#

Yea I feel u, might as well go sub then POGGERS

hollow escarp
#

hmmm

#

I was searching for flagellation tbf

green forge
#

^^

silver loom
#

not a bad idea to be fair

lean rover
silver loom
#

thank you 🙂

burnt star
#

U lose 5 free stack of flag
and 5% increased haste for like 4 gcd

#

Likee other said. U flag before rupt

#

So ur at 10% right away

green forge
#

Yes I had no doubt about flag tbh

#

but I was wondering about vanish

steel geyser
#

I play Deeper so my vanish is usually Mutilate x2 then Envenom

green forge
#

alright 🙂

mellow pier
#

Ur vanish doesn’t matter much

#

It can be envenom mut mut

#

Or mut envenom mut

#

The order really does not matter

nocturne ridge
#

is fok worth pressing on st with hidden blade talented

#

at 20 stacks

heavy vessel
#

220 phial in the vault!!!! on my paladin đŸ€Ź

fathom lynx
nocturne ridge
#

well yeah it 100% does more dmg

#

but you lose on on cp gen from mutilate

#

but it's also less energy

#

was just curious how it balanced out

fathom lynx
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What is the ratio between a fully stacked FoK VS Mutilate? If it's close then probably poison and combo point wins out. From what I recall then the damage on FoK is pretty high

nocturne ridge
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just going off tooltips for me, 20 stack FoK does 3493, mutilate does 1239, or 619 per hit

hollow escarp
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you can use it to pad on ads on Sire PepeLaugh

nocturne ridge
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would also lose out on doomblade legendary

hollow escarp
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with master assassin

nocturne ridge
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yeah that's my idea

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to run it on sire for p1 adds

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and still get decent value in p2

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seems good in theory just cause poison bomb is so dogshit

hollow escarp
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you get enough damage to cover for our overall lack of damage in p1, but you lose PB in last phase

heavy trail
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So will play assassin m+ mainly and some bgs was going to make a mantle master wrist... butr also want to perhaps get the poison execute thingy. Will be playing sub also do you recommend making 2 190s or making the mantle to 210 first ?

fathom lynx
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I'm sure it's better than Mutilate then - that discrepancy is quite big.

visual prairie
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in the simcraft apl, it uses it instead of mutilate at 19+ stacks

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with that talent

nocturne ridge
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cool, sounds good

radiant fossil
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is this trinket that good ? i just checked on herodamage and it seems like a very good upgrade for me. I never saw this trinket before

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stoic needle
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Yes it is good

hollow escarp
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I had it before heroic week from M0, it wasn't bad

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worth a sim

stoic needle
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HB is just awful lol

nocturne ridge
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im just going to play around with hb since i see no logs, feel like ct fills a different niche

radiant fossil
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@hollow escarp sims 1.6% better than my past sins 213. So yeah i guess i'll take it

nocturne ridge
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more sustained aoe

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the adds in p1 just get melted

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ct is better for p2 though

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for sure

wintry steppe
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New to rogue, so this is probably a very basic question, but that’s why I need to learn! I find myself shiv’ing with 5 cp a lot because it’s off cooldown and I have the energy pooled to get three envenoms off in the shiv window. This is bad? I should never overcap cps right? Even if shiv seems to line up oddly with cps?

nocturne ridge
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so might just be better overall

hollow escarp
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it's nice to have those 226 trinkets in bag, you never know when you need them

stoic needle
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CT is big value in p2 and not a terrible loss in p3 if you're using zoldyck

hollow escarp
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wintry steppe
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Great, thank you.