assassination

[arctic harness]

[hollow escarp]

just click on the inbox corner

and you will see the message

😉

[limber lion]

Holy fuck this is actually a lifechanger

I sometimes get pinged whilst I'm asleep then I have to scroll through hundreds of messages to find the ping

This is sick

[final star]

[safe totem]

[alpine pagoda]

[bronze gorge]

I’m looking to switch to sin for raiding, which Lego should I craft first?

[heavy coral]

[prisma monolith]

Ceverion: Doomblade.

[shell ivy]

Tf u felt important in the server but no nice April fools

WHERES MY RED NAME

NO

😭😭😭

[cunning lantern]

looking for switch Sin too for ST boss (Outlaw player), i'm actually NF, it's still good ?

[limber lion]

Yes, perfectly fine.

[tawdry falcon]

i think all the covs are within a percent of each other right?

[prisma monolith]

Ceverion: Yes, they're all within 3% of each other.

[tawdry falcon]

Does Kaels shade on the sun king fight continue to take dot damage when he jumps back?

[limber lion]

What do you mean? When he comes back, he will not have any dots on him.

Oh you mean when the shade gets absorbed

No, don't think so.

[rustic whale]

what did change? i dont noticed any difference

[limber lion]

Hmm...

[rustic whale]

oh nvm wrong place sry

[prisma monolith]

Mordigen: i quit wow (⊙_⊙;)

[sullen pagoda]

congratz

[primal zinc]

community way to stupid

[tawdry falcon]

ill be quiting soon

[prisma monolith]

MELTYVEINS: WITH NO FRESH CONTENT, THE GAME IS GOING TO SUCK

[limber lion]

Good on ya, you're stronger than us.

[tawdry falcon]

i mean i lll be back when 91 hits

[sullen pagoda]

idk mate im strong believer in "if everyone around you is an idiot maybe its you"

[tawdry falcon]

not that strong

[prisma crescent]

No thats just me

[prisma monolith]

Idiot: ┻━┻

Mordigen: i have been looking for a guild over a month now for at least 5/10 M and i got denied for a month now cos im playing assassin...and they ask for outlaws only....fuck this....the game is great but the community sucks with all those meta whore that think everything else than meta is crap and not viable.....cya discord!!! 💔

[silver nymph]

should i use envenom as often as i can or should i wait till the 10% bonus dmg (elaborate planning) or the envenom buff goes off?

[tawdry falcon]

use it a max-1 and just pool energy for the env buff

there are long windows between the shiv buff lol

[limber lion]

Use it whenever you can without overlapping your Envenom's pandemic.

[primal zinc]

way too sad

[sullen pagoda]

whats your mythic exp @primal zinc

[silver nymph]

ty andwhats worse? overlapping or overcap on energy?

[sullen pagoda]

doubt guilds have been declining u just cuz assa especially with assa being one of strongest ST classes atm

[limber lion]

Overcapping on energy.

Never cap on energy.

[prisma monolith]

MORDIGEN: DOESNT MATTER ANYMORE I QUIT WOW I UNNISTALED IT...PERIOD

[sullen pagoda]

bye

[limber lion]

[quiet axle]

yo boys execute lege or the other one on denathrius mythic?

[cunning lantern]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[quiet axle]

seems like most ppl run with the other one

[limber lion]

Usually Zoldyck for progression and Doomblade for reclears.

Doomblade is pretty close in dps even in the execute though.

[quiet axle]

i see, thanks

[final star]

[limber lion]

@umbral slate Around 200 dps less overall, but around 300 dps more in execute.

Really depends on what your team needs more.

[umbral slate]

😂 thanks, decided to check the pins for it so deleted the message

[final star]

More than one target zoldyck begins to pull ahead

Like huntsman for example

[umbral slate]

I guess if I started 9.1 mythic then the execute would be good in most fights that are tough?

[final star]

Fights where the last 30% is tough

[umbral slate]

yeah true

I guess SLG nobody cares how much damage you pull last phase but denathrius it's great

[limber lion]

Yeah a lot of the time execute is the #1 niche for mythic progression

[umbral slate]

excepts SLG is aoe so it would pull ahead

[limber lion]

But we can't really say anything about 9.1 numbers yet

Ei oo väliä, käytä mitä haluut :p

[prisma monolith]

JuhoH: 😛 ಠ_ಠ

[umbral slate]

Tbh been a hunter for 9.0 but started looking for options for 9.1 progressions since the sad fate of hunters and thought execute could be something useful to bring to the table

[cunning lantern]

who's the worst between hunter and rogue

[mossy crown]

anyone free to check my logs? want to do better

[limber lion]

Sure, feel free to post them here

[undone eagle]

Now i get this april joke, i was relogging my phone 3-4 times

🤣

[subtle kiln]

!bis

[balmy condor]

!doesmymotherloveme

[final star]

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

WHO

[teal bloom]

Should rogues get mana tide totem so we would have a raid buff?

[balmy condor]

definitely

[pine grove]

Thistle Tea Totem.

[alpine garden]

!butwhatisopener

[gloomy rose]

hi guys, is it worth to use rupture at all in multitarget scenarios like m+ trash packs? I generally try to keep it up on the beefier targets, but tabbing is pretty taxing on my fingers

[alpine garden]

I do when Im not doing CT and the odd envenom to keep SnD up

but I focus targets that will live the longest to get the most value

You'll never get it up on everything before you have to start reapplying, its like painting the forth bridge

[limber lion]

You should try to apply rupture to every single mob that can live the full duration

You need to find a good keybind setup or something for it

But it is pretty much necessary to do well as Sin in m+

[gloomy rose]

alright, I guess I should just play with my platter configuration somehow, I feel like that could help a ton, thanks

[limber lion]

Yeah for sure. There's a lot of great plater profiles in Wago.io if you want to take a look.

Also quite a few of our community members have their own plater profiles.

[balmy condor]

yeah whoever those guys are

[alpine garden]

What ilevel can you upgrade to with the all mythics done at 10+ achievement? 213?

[balmy condor]

I believe 216

oh nvm

its 213

[alpine garden]

Yeah thats what I thought, just for some reason my brain couldn't make that table be clear as to what you can upgrade up to, just what you can upgrade from lol

[primal holly]

Anyone use any addons or WAs to track multi target dots? If so, what do you use?

[limber lion]

I use nameplates, Plater specifically.

You don't really need anything else but good nameplates that can track the important things.

Without all of the unnecessary clutter.

[primal holly]

Gotcha. Ty! I’m using kui atm, but I’ll check out plater

[balmy condor]

yeah plater here as well

[red turtle]

Do you guys have any advice for Sire Mythic. I think my dmg in p2 is bad in comparison to other Assa Rogues.

[limber lion]

You just need to do everything up and save cooldowns for the adds that you're supposed to use cooldowns on.

If RL shouts "Pummel boss, only cleave adds" you put bleeds up on everything that you can see, but still hitting Sire mainly.

[red turtle]

okay. so the first part of phase 2 with the named adds is more or less okay. but i start to struggle with the Cabalist spawn. do i dot every thing on my screen? 2 Adds boss and Remonia? i tryed this ind got super fast gcd caped because of energie cap.

[pure moth]

i changed to plater. i think its easier to see.

[limber lion]

Yes you dot everything up

[prisma monolith]

Ceverion: You get energy from having ruptures/garrotes on enemies that have poisons on them

[primal holly]

You changed to plater from kui?

[limber lion]

Don't be scared to use Rup/Gar on everything that you see on the screen

Except the adds in P1 of course.

[high basin]

Hello. Been night fae outlaw and sub and getting into assa now but i dont plan on changing covenants cause i like night fae.

I was wondering if anyone knew if the free ambush from nightfae overlapped with blindside talent ?

[pure moth]

tbh i had duplicate things, and i really cleaned up my ui lol.. i had kui enabled among another

[red turtle]

Okay. but you dont use full cp rup on the adds that die quickly right?

[limber lion]

Yes it does

If you have a Blindside proc and your Sepsis ends and you use the Blindside proc, you don't get the Sepsis proc after

[high basin]

Ah thank you

I couldnt find that in a guide

thanks man

[limber lion]

Not necessarily no, but the longer ruptures are still very much worth to put up instead of 1-3 cp ones

[primal holly]

Gotcha. Yea I switched from elvui back to default w/ just custom bartender + kui. I’ll try nameplates and see what’s up! Ty!

[limber lion]

The cabalists shouldn't die so quick where a 4 cp rupture is completely wasted.

You also get energy back from the rupture when the Cabalist dies which you can use to pummel the next adds.

[red turtle]

okay but is there time to shiv when i rupture and Garrote everything?

I imagine myself running around and dotting everything but i think i cant use shiv on cd than right?

[limber lion]

Why not?

Shiv doesn't require anything

Except for energy

And when you rup/gar everything, you have plenty of energy

[prisma monolith]

CEVERION: SHIV NOT ON COOLDOWN = PRESS IT

[red turtle]

jea but you want to evis in Shiv right?

[limber lion]

It's Envenom, and it literally doesn't matter

[prisma monolith]

Ceverion: You press it if it's not on cooldown (╯°□°）╯︵┻━┻

[limber lion]

Moroes, the true homeboy, backing me up

[red turtle]

okay 😄

thanks. i think this will help me a lot! 😄

[limber lion]

You should take a look at the logs, they serve as good guidance for that part of the fight. :p

As long as you don't look at the cheese builds or the ones that get fed PI.

[tawdry falcon]

logs are your bible

they reveal the way to 99 parses

and its paying 200k for 4 priests to PI you the whole fight

thats the going rate in my guild

[limber lion]

Filthy PI users

[red turtle]

okay. i will have a closer look in some locks.

I think i will just "copy" the Timelines -> Casts section of sb with the same cd timings that i have to play. i guess?

[limber lion]

Pretty much.

If it works for them, it'll work for you.

If it's the same strategy/timing that you use that is.

[red turtle]

okay. thanks again. i will deep dive now. 😄

[limber lion]

Good luck!

[native lynx]

and then they dont heal you, taking your money and laughing

[alpine garden]

Does blindside beat EP in ST because of the cp generation?

[thin inlet]

you get energy starved in ST so you run out of CP

I assume is the reasoning

I don’t think you quite have the energy to utilise EP well

outside of vendetta

you’d have to run an absolutely absurd amount of haste

[shadow helm]

fuck this discord icon bros

[misty holly]

Any suggestions on how much Shiv uptime you should hope for before pressing it?

For example say boss is going into a phase here Im going to have to move for 5 seconds

shiv just came up

Im guessing I dont press it

what if phase starts in 4 seconds.

do I press it for 4 seconds uptime

or hold

hoe about 3 seconds?

bosses arent typically stand and rotation for 5 minutes. there's always mechanic variables happening too

[formal cliff]

fuck you guys

FUCK ALL OF YOU

[kind talon]

?

[formal cliff]

sitting here searching and searching

for my mother fuckin notification

[kind talon]

its april fools atlas calm down

take this to a diff channel

[formal cliff]

you got me for like 20mins lol

[kind talon]

dude

no way

LOL

[formal cliff]

sippin coffee just scrolling away

[kind talon]

@misty holly depends bro

are you in lust rn? flag buff?

lots of variables

shiv when u can pump envenoms

[limber lion]

It's really situational. Like if the boss phases for 20s, you should press it because you can't hit it for 20s.

[kind talon]

like shriekwing 😄

[limber lion]

That's why when we do log analysis, we try to look at bosses with little to no downtime and with little variable

[kind talon]

but if it comes up like last seconds of p1 denathrius dont press it

[junior token]

u should always hold shiv for a bonus dmg window like first boss mots or somthing if u know und will reach the next phase in the next 3-5 sec its always better to hold and pooling the get as much shiv envenoms as possible in this windo or if u know u can use it proble because u dont need to doge things

[misty holly]

I was thinking more like we're about to do soaks on Sire. or third sanguine depths boss is about to throw out orbs.

[limber lion]

It's much easier to look through a Hungering Destroyer log than a Sire log

[misty holly]

Like im gonna be busy for a bit here not dpsing, but its not really phasing

[kind talon]

wym?

sire p1 just use cds on cd

and hold for p2 at the end of it

u can dps through everything except for blood price iirc

[balmy condor]

this inbox will show you all of your mentions

[formal cliff]

dont come at me with this knowledge now lol

[wide elbow]

Ho guys i have a few questions, si there any real difference between oils and sharpening stones ? And us there a difference between fire potions and agility potions ?

[balmy condor]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[kind talon]

lol whispyr

what are u and cev doing in there steprogue

[strange python]

Do i lose a lot if i put zoldyck on legs instead of feet since i alrready have 220 feet with haste and crit

[wide elbow]

@balmy condor thx

[prisma perch]

So Single Target is fairly easy but does anyone have tips for aoe raid fights? Like we playing subterfugue or how

[balmy condor]

I'm showing him the pain of MFD Necro

[kind talon]

Ol or assa?

But yeah it’s fucking bad dude

[balmy condor]

yeh

[wide elbow]

I’m sorry for bothering u guys but can anyone help me analyse my logs to see where i can improve ?

[frigid kestrel]

Color changes, fake alerts, is April fools early this year or something?

[balmy condor]

early?

it is april first

[kind talon]

Early????

[frigid kestrel]

Holy shit

It is in fact April 1st

Getting my coffee

I lose today

[lofty shell]

u guys baited so many ppl today xD

[distant cypress]

that troll notif icon

i got baited and triggered so hard

well played

[lofty shell]

best class discord

i also was looking for that stupid mention

[strange python]

Anyone else super stoked for real (not april fools) patch notes for 9.1? Stoked to see mut's nerfs. Lol

[lofty shell]

i've only seen the april fool's stuff

is there actual patch note info?

[strange python]

Same.

Nah..none that i've seen...just can't have too many melees towards the top of the charts...blizz would explode

[lofty shell]

imagine nerfing rogue :<

[prisma monolith]

Vignesh: oh wow ༼つ◕_◕༽つ

[weak horizon]

i was triggered so hard by that icon

wait, are they really nerfing sin rogue in 9.1?

[strange python]

I'd love some subt love to make it competitive...def my favorite spec.

Lol no...it was a jooooke.

[limber lion]

#subtlety

[lost mist]

?

[arctic venture]

Im really not pushing dps as others in my core

damn.

[pure niche]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[arctic venture]

yeah but im feeling rogue is very much at top

concerning dps.

because I cant be making that much mistakes

[prisma monolith]

OXI: GUYS

[gusty mirage]

okay moroe

s

I'm a stinky necrolord now

😦

[alpine garden]

I hope you've mog'd to the full set

Get that extra arm

[gusty mirage]

I'm 2 renown

[lofty shell]

???

thought you were playing assa ;p

[balmy condor]

necrolord sin is good

[lofty shell]

ye its just nice for outlaw too i guess

[bitter crescent]

does phial's dot count towards doomblade dmg?

[balmy condor]

no

[manic pebble]

yo I can't get rid of this notification

[balmy condor]

trinkets have no interaction with the spec

[balmy condor]

gottem

[manic pebble]

what

[prisma monolith]

Flushies: oh right ಠ_ಠ

[balmy condor]

its the joke

[manic pebble]

wth bot

oh right

[prisma monolith]

Monkey Time: They changed the server icon

[manic pebble]

I see

[feral dune]

Smh

[manic pebble]

also I love new sin role colour

pink is the best ❤️

[feral dune]

Worst*

[brisk forge]

We’re all paladins xD

[dawn quail]

i went over to a mate, who also plays rogue to ask if he also was annoyed like me about the notification joke. he didnt notice, so i look at his discord, and he has several hundreds of notifications open, and not a single channel is muted. AAAAAAAAAAA

[prisma monolith]

MAKEITQUAKE: SO YOUR MATE IS A MAN OF CULTURE AS WELL?

[balmy condor]

hmmmm

[spice spire]

Okay moroes

[dawn quail]

how do people live like that!

[spice spire]

By ignoring everything 🙂

[dawn quail]

i dont understand

[dawn quail]

im literally having a meltdown over the fact my mate never clears notifications

[prisma perch]

what do we do in aoe raid fights? for Huntsman we just refresh CT, Doom, garrote and rupture on the one active beast next to huntsman right?

[balmy condor]

yep

[prisma perch]

how do we play it for sunking/sire?

[alpine garden]

Press CT when possible

Profit?

[rotund oak]

hey ma dudes,as a necro assassination where do we exactly sbs in the opener(provided we play ma talent).Mutilate==>snd(?)==>mutilate?

[balmy condor]

you don't play aoe on sire

[prisma perch]

we ignore p1?

[balmy condor]

you don't talent into aoe

on sire

[prisma monolith]

Quietman: If you're relying on rogue AoE for p1 on Sire your group has bigger issues

[prisma perch]

i heard of using hiddenblades for the spawns

[balmy condor]

I've heard of not doing that

[prisma perch]

on guides

[balmy condor]

get a new guide

no one runs hidden blades

[prisma perch]

so posion bomb for sire?

[wary ice]

moroes is eerily acurate here

[balmy condor]

maybe this is just an april fools joke?

[wary ice]

if you need rogues aoe to kill p1 you got bigger issues on your hand than talent choices

[spice spire]

Whispyr malding on April fools :/

[balmy condor]

I think it's an april fools joke

it's fine

[alpine garden]

That's what i said, then Moroes stole me 😦

[prisma perch]

its just for the meters guys chill

[alpine garden]

Just let your 10k dps mages handle them

[prisma perch]

padding

[balmy condor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/26#boss=2407&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination

take this

and stop trolling

[alpine garden]

its dangerous to go alone?

[balmy condor]

I get it's the day to troll

but pls no

its so hard to tell sometimes

who's actually just an idiot

[alpine garden]

Internal bleeding?

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr: and who is just memeing

[prisma perch]

lol

[split veldt]

I can’t find the @

[prisma perch]

420

[outer siren]

Anyone else bind envenom to foot pedal 9?

[prisma monolith]

Quietman: I guess you kidney adds to get another bleed on and then more env damage? (⊙_⊙;)

[split veldt]

Also keep the pink role color

[weary juniper]

envenom on Q or you leave

xd

[outer siren]

Nah foot pedal 9, Q is for mount wym

[split veldt]

Well played server admins with the fake @

[weary juniper]

we tfhjnioawesrghj bdfgbkhj

Foot Pedal 9

bruv

[outer siren]

Yeah

foot pedal 8 is stealth

[weary juniper]

mhm

[prisma monolith]

Pogglerone: mhm

[alpine garden]

I use my snare for envenom

[prisma perch]

feint is better

[weary juniper]

actually ill rebind it to W right now

[alpine garden]

Toms are mut, ambush (blindside) and fok

[outer siren]

Yeah but your snare doesn't line up with your wild spirits CD then?

[weary juniper]

Foot Pedal 9 for running

[flint anchor]

footpedal 8 for stealth? i was used for doing it with throttle forward on ma hotas :/

[prisma monolith]

Yeahnahyeah: And you are left envenoming a mob with no armor pen? (╯°□°）╯︵┻━┻

[alpine garden]

Sin is hotas fuck

[spice spire]

Bruh foot pedal 8 is Mut. You click stealth

[prisma perch]

but for real u guys when in p1 the adds spawn do u ignore the adds or do u throw in a fok?

[weary juniper]

i think you can FOK for Combopoints no?

[spice spire]

FoK when they’re around you.

[prisma perch]

alright thanks

[outer siren]

This is so true man, will change it up for sure. Had foot pedal 1 2 and 3 all bound to convoke the spirits but i could remove that for stealth too

[spice spire]

[outer siren]

📿

[thorny rose]

[thorny pond]

My guild says "FoK the boss up" and I wanna kms

[icy heart]

is there a way to only sim a boss from 30-0% hp?

[balmy condor]

there's the patchwerk execute fight type

that starts at 20

but it's the same thing for us

so it's basically 30-0

[prisma monolith]

SWEECZ[SUFFIX]: HUH, NEED TO TRY THAT FOR DENATHRIUS LAST PHASE TO COMPARE CLASSES FOR FUN

[icy heart]

wait what

[balmy condor]

people have already done that

[icy heart]

for all classes?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[icy heart]

ohh

[balmy condor]

it's honestly not that interesting

[icy heart]

how do i find that?`:o

[balmy condor]

dk/sin rogue at the top

idk

it got posted in here like a month or two ago

[spice spire]

Where are shamans on that list, oh wise mana ride?

[balmy condor]

because people were curious for 9.0.5 ptr stuff

[undone eagle]

should i replace my well-placed steel into something else?

[balmy condor]

imagine not going dauntless

I'm assuming single target

[spice spire]

Could be M+ 😛

[balmy condor]

yeh but it's also WPS

on top

which is the weird thing

[undone eagle]

i do this mostly for m+

[wild birch]

Dauntless>WPS @undone eagle

[spice spire]

Katar gang only 😡

[balmy condor]

you should probably play katar

and also put lashing as the first conduit

so you can play dauntless in raids

[spice spire]

Even Poisons is better for AoE, yeah?

[wary ice]

Katar > LP?

[balmy condor]

LP is okay too

usually katar sims higher

[spice spire]

Than WPS*

[balmy condor]

also does better aoe

[balmy condor]

for aoe, yes, for dungeonslice, no

[wary ice]

I usually go LP just cause it helps with pridefuls

[balmy condor]

they're usually equal on dungeonslice

[wary ice]

without sacrificing too much on aoe

[spice spire]

Ty me go back to trolling

[wary ice]

well i guess i usually go outlaw, tbh.

[undone eagle]

So I go for daunteless and put lashing on WPS?

[spice spire]

That’s truly the best line in m+

[wary ice]

for single target

[prisma monolith]

MakeitQuake: For single target, dauntless + lashing.
For m+ swap katar and WPS.

[balmy condor]

single target should be lashing dauntless, dungeons should be lashing + lp/katar

so in order to swap between the two

[undone eagle]

thanks!

[balmy condor]

you need to put lashing on the top

[undone eagle]

i did 😛

and when I buy the upgrade conduit from venari

i cant choose what i wanna upgrade? i just upgraded a random sin conduit sadpepega

i wanted lashing to be 226

its only 200 xD

[balmy condor]

it randomly chooses one of your lowest conduits

so in order to get a 226 lashing

[undone eagle]

fcl

fck

[balmy condor]

you would need to get all your other conduits to 213

[undone eagle]

i got so many 200

[balmy condor]

and then rng into the 226 lashing

[prisma monolith]

hektor: .. ಠ_ಠ

[balmy condor]

that's why no one buys venari conduits

[undone eagle]

ye true i just wanted to test

i alrdy used all socks possibility

sockets*

xD

[sullen pagoda]

whats the name of that addon for mutilate and ambush on same bind friend needs it

[balmy condor]

yeh in that case I guess have fun

[balmy condor]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[sullen pagoda]

thanks

[balmy condor]

np

[woven hound]

!dslice

any tips on simming for m+?

[gusty mirage]

You smelled me from a mile away huh

[gusty mirage]

Yeah just use dslice on raidbots 🙂

[lofty shell]

i was serving drinks in sinfall and then this pungent smell came up, i thought to myself it can't be true

[thorny rose]

I was thinking about swapping necro till I saw the leather set

[ruby birch]

dont you wanna look like a garbage can?

[prisma monolith]

JPS: ITS REALLY COOL

[ruby birch]

...

[spice lotus]

Everyone I know is switching to assassin lol

[gusty mirage]

Yeah it’s pretty awful

[gusty mirage]

yeah that was me

[spice lotus]

Hell I might need to switch to assassin, how is it now? Is true it’s pumping?

[ruby birch]

yes it has been pumping

there is no reason to play sub in pve unless you like it tbh

[thorny rose]

feels really great on ST and good on cleave

[weak horizon]

it's also hella fun in m+

[stoic needle]

We just pretend it doesn't exist

[icy crater]

shoulda renamed channels to: raid spec, m+ spec, dead spec

[gusty mirage]

oof

[willow eagle]

Maybe pvp spec instead of dead spec

[icy crater]

See I thought that, but then I was like

assa is pretty good in pvp and everyone is playing it in awc

[thorny rose]

are they? that’s pretty neat

[gusty mirage]

I still like sub in rps

tbh

[lofty shell]

i thought the rotten was pretty mad in pvp

[gusty mirage]

also I believe we're now all shaman

so see you on the other side

[icy crater]

enhance was fun in legion apparently

super rng tho

[coarse blaze]

what class should i play while i wait for assassination to be good

[spice spire]

Assassination is good?

[icy crater]

[prisma monolith]

OXI: SHAMAN

[gusty mirage]

wtf moroes

[balmy condor]

someone say shaman?

[misty holly]

One time on Kul'tharok I ran to a mana tide totem during Draw Soul instead of the grasping hands 😦

I dont like shaman anymore.

[gusty mirage]

They got you too?

[spice spire]

He joined willingly, shaman is best class 🙂

[plain thistle]

shaman?

[spice spire]

87 ilvl GAMER

[gusty mirage]

RENOWN 1

[plain thistle]

[odd heath]

[gusty mirage]

[prisma monolith]

Sly360XhamsterEz: How much haste do i need for DS to be better than Vigor? I feel like i don't even have enough energy regen for my opener

[uncut bobcat]

What is the current best leggy

[cursive meteor]

Doomblade

[stoic needle]

[uncut bobcat]

yea it says that doomblade and dashing scoundrel that there is a differencei n how it feels

so is it personal preference to those 2?

[gusty mirage]

do you have any fabreeze? I have this weird smell in my nose ever since I switched necro

[stoic needle]

[stoic needle]

basically yeah. doomblade technically does more damage, but dashing scoundrel is easier to target swap with and get the full value of the legendary compared to doomblade and it makes the rotation feel a tiny bit better. it's also slightly better for mythic+

[uncut bobcat]

alright

[cursive meteor]

On council is it worth to rupture the non focus target for energy regen to funnel more dmg, or is that worse than pure single target focus?

[drowsy coral]

Worth 100%

If the two targets are stacked on each other, otherwise you'd waste time and dmg running to dot

[tender sequoia]

what cogvenant would you play on rogue.. is either... venthyr or kyrian viable?

[cursive meteor]

Venthyr

[icy crater]

it's literally the first pin

[lusty pivot]

this icon top right of discord

[tender sequoia]

is assa mainable for any content?

[drowsy coral]

[red plaza]

[tender sequoia]

does that mean no or yes?

[plain thistle]

yes

[spice spire]

Yes

[lean rover]

[plain thistle]

its worse than outlaw for dungeon, but completely viable

[weak horizon]

it's better on single target so has benefits

[dark basalt]

since sin doesn't have a big burst, specialy AoE, but it is usable, yes

[weak horizon]

but yeah, it's unlikely it'll outdps an outlaw

but i personally enjoy playing sin better in m+ and honestly maybe do better as sin

but that's caz im trash outlaw

[little sky]

damn since i just swapped guilds i hoped someone took some kind of logs to ask for some pointers

i'll run a pug this weekend and log those myself.

i did 4.something on sludge HC and i feel it's really low but i don't really hjave comparisons.

don't remeber if it was 4,2 or 4,.8 lol

[balmy condor]

WHATS YOUR ILVL

sorry, off topic caps

[verbal mantle]

[pseudo hamlet]

The notification on the logo pranked me... just as the shaman mains, was like "where am I?!"

[uneven belfry]

a good one xD

[pure moth]

Its not humorous though. There's just only so much you can do

[drifting light]

Fuuuuuuuuuu

This notification thing on the logo

[balmy condor]

there's always one

[vague holly]

Guys is it worth playing assa for m+?
I really vibe with assa more than outlaw :P

[pure moth]

I wonder what they did in game though. There was 1 quite a few years ago that was pretty good.

[prisma monolith]

WHISPYR: IT'S NOT GREAT, BUT IF YOU DON'T LIKE PLAYING OUTLAW, IT'S GOOD ENOUGH

[pure moth]

It spammed your play time was expiring

[balmy condor]

most likely nothing, they released patch notes

that's all we're gonna get

[pure moth]

Probably

[royal cliff]

This question is coming from a humble place as I've played sin for a while, but always trying to improve--Say you're doing a mythic plus and youre about to pull 4-5 pack...what is the ideal rotation here?

[prisma monolith]

Blankwave: I feel like I lose a lot of potential dps in m+ vs ST

[pseudo hamlet]

It's totally fine in M+. I think the only scenario where you would have to actually swap to Outlaw would be trying to do >19M+ keys and have the as high potential as possible.

For ~14-17M+ keys Assassination is more than fine.

[crimson coyote]

I’m gearing my rogue for the first time and I know I have to make two leggo a one for single target and one for aoe. Should I be crafting the st or aoe leggo first? I plan to do both m+ and raiding on it only

[pseudo hamlet]

I think that Zoldyck is overall pretty good for everything(better than Doomblade for M+), while Doomblade is better for ST.

[compact pumice]

The MA is really good for aoe, pvp, general use like world questing

[jagged axle]

assass is the move in TBC right bois

[compact pumice]

Useful for all the specs too

[jagged axle]

wronjg chat

[crimson coyote]

Many thanks 🙂

[round harbor]

Make doomblade for sin st, then make celerity for all purpose m+ outlaw

[royal cliff]

Anyone else go venth and really missing NF?

never thought I'd say it cause i like the aesthetic more but I'm not feeling venth as much as i thought i would

[azure stag]

the mobility was nice but ventyr is way mor efun inside the roatation

[round harbor]

I like venth way more

Coming from kyrian

[royal cliff]

yeah i liked kyrian the least for sure

ive been all 4 and definitely just liked sepsis better for some reason, but maybe its cause my rogue is my mythic raid alt so I just want ez life

[molten olive]

I've only tried kyrian, and I think glowy combo point good.

[royal cliff]

I'm sure with doomblade you can get some monstrous envenoms but the phial seems meh on a rogue compared to other classes

[prisma monolith]

Blankwave: I started the expac with kyrian

[prisma perch]

guys we can use exacting prep to buff then swap back to dd right?

[vague holly]

So how should I plan on crafting my leggys(let's say Might regret going for assa and go back to outlaw after a while)?

[royal cliff]

I mean if you are just making the first one and plan on swapping around a bunch maybe start MA

[pseudo hamlet]

the best legendary to craft overall for the rogues is MA

[storm forum]

yeah def craft Master Assassin first if you're unsure what spec you want to main

[royal cliff]

I can say from experience that I have played all three and regret not doing that first, I now have 6 leggos lol

[pseudo hamlet]

But the player above asked about 2 legendaries for his assassination rogue.
Zoldyck is good in ST(especially on progression, such as Sire Denathrius) and one of the best for M+.
Doomblade is awesome for ST.

[royal cliff]

Correct, but my rogue isnt my raid main so having a bunch at 190 doesnt really matter much, I have zoldyck doomblade and akaaris at 235

[ionic flume]

Is sin truly sleeper

[royal cliff]

I mean it's not sleeper, look at the mythic raid logs lol

[ionic flume]

No as in boring

[subtle tundra]

boring is subjective

[hollow escarp]

^

[royal cliff]

Oh, fair... I don't find it boring, it's intentional

If that makes sense

Sort of like arms warrior, you always have something to improve on even though its not wildly spammy

[prisma monolith]

Varas: kinda weird that rogues have highest apm and lowest apm specs

[hollow escarp]

yeah, but is it high apm if it's 2 buttons?

[pseudo hamlet]

I just have Finality, Doomblade and Zoldyck at 235 ilvl... Should've gone with MA instead of the first one, because I wanted to have one legendary for Raiding/PvP, but we all know what happened to Sub.

[storm forum]

if you like and enjoy the APM specs (enhance, outlaw, others I'm sure) then it'll definitely feel sluggish

[brazen perch]

!ambush

[prisma monolith]

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Showcase Video: #assassination message

[ionic flume]

I am sub player

[royal cliff]

If you're wildly bored when you dont have a dance going in sub, you may not love sin

[storm forum]

sin will feel like sub when you don't have dance up, the only extra burst of energy we get and need to spend quickly is from vendetta (2 min CD)

[ionic flume]

I c

I enjoyed every part abt sub

[storm forum]

i mean, it's not actually to that extent of energy starvation because we take vigor and like higher levels of haste

[prisma monolith]

Skippy: And i try to play this and I (╯°□°）╯︵┻━┻

[round harbor]

Vigor is scam

Deeper is pog

[storm forum]

but you will need to just take a global and a half to chill and let energy build for envenom windows

[pseudo hamlet]

Well, I wouldn't say so. I think that Assa isn't THAT boring. Sometimes you can pool up energy, use bleeds at the right moment to get the perfect Shiv window etc.

[storm forum]

I'll play deeper when I hit 27% haste

[ionic flume]

And I see a lot of ppl saying sin is boring

[vague holly]

Thanks ❤️

[storm forum]

a lot of people find the "do nothing for 2 globals so we can pool energy for shiv/envenom windows" as boring

[round harbor]

Why 27% haste?

[storm forum]

arbitrary number

[round harbor]

Figured

[storm forum]

I played DS for like half of BFA, I'll go back to it when I feel less traumatized by having 6CP

[sullen fossil]

27% haste is the new 34% crit?

[red atlas]

how much haste you need to use DS in raids?

[lapis fulcrum]

Is sin pretty good in aoe or am i only noob in single target? 😂

[balmy condor]

sin aoe is awful

[balmy condor]

whenever it sims higher

[dark crag]

At 18% haste DS sims about 17dps better than vigor with NF

[lapis fulcrum]

😦

[sacred thicket]

I wouldn't use it in M+ but sticking to it for a whole raid probably isn't terrible.

[lapis fulcrum]

Are there any haste caps or so?

New sin player jere

Here

[desert swallow]

No haste cap

[lapis fulcrum]

So as much haste as possible?

[desert swallow]

Always sim for the best gear combo

[balmy condor]

no breakpoints no caps no nothing

just keep simming

[lapis fulcrum]

Hmmm...simming all things is boring for me 😂

I have master assasin legendary..should i make zodak, when i dont have much mastery?

[balmy condor]

zoldyck does not require mastery to perform well

mastery remains our worst stat in single target, no matter the legendary, and it only performs slightly better in aoe

[lapis fulcrum]

Oh, okay, so i will aim for zoldyck...should i know how to play outlaw aswell or am i ok for raid and m+ with sin?

[balmy condor]

depends on how high you're gonna push

I wouldn't recommend going into a +22 with a sin rogue

but sin does good enough for most people

[lapis fulcrum]

I am on +10 at the moment on 195 ilvl

Switech to venthyr yesterday..is it best way to get renowns in lfr?

[slow marsh]

I believe most efficient way to get renown is do campaign quests and +2s. Renown and valor farm

[thorny rose]

I’ve also heard that there is a bug where if you are in the middle of a campaign chapter, sometimes renown won’t drop from other content. just something to watch out for

[sly elk]

Anyone else see a random notification?

[thorny rose]

doesn’t happen to everyone but if you are like “wtf where is my renown” that could be the issue

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr: :PepeLaugh:

[thorny rose]

no

[balmy condor]

he fell for it

[sly elk]

Weird

[thorny rose]

ladies and gentlemen, we got him

[orchid cloak]

Hey I’m new to assa and wondering if it’s ever worth to use Fan of Knives? I thought it generated combo points like shuriken storm for Sub but I guess it doesn’t

[thorny rose]

yes it does

[sly elk]

Alrighty well I'm gonna go back to whatever I was doing before

[full tide]

Do Mythic 0s - LFR - Normal Raid - Heroic Raid - Then M+ 100%

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr: we use it on 4 or more targets

[balmy condor]

that's just the server icon

[tender frost]

bruh, i just realized what day it was. that fkn icon

[spice spire]

You guys are getting got so hard today

[tender frost]

god dammit

[slow marsh]

my ocd

[limber lion]

You use FoK in 4+ targets.

[orchid cloak]

Ok cool, it feels a lot worse than shuriken on multiple targets cause of the combo point generation

[limber lion]

Yep sure does

[compact pumice]

It is worse than shuriken storm for CP generation, but that’s another spec. And sin aoe feels a lot better than spamming SS > Black Powder anyway

[prisma monolith]

KYLEPLS: YEA I’M STILL TRYING TO LEARN HOW TO MAKE IT WORK IN M+

[balmy condor]

more dots

it's really not that hard

people like overcomplicating it

for no good reason

[orchid cloak]

Feels like things die before I can get garrote on 2-3 targets

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr: cause they feel like there has to be some deeper knowledge ╰(°▽°)╯

[balmy condor]

and there just isn't

[balmy condor]

that means things die in less than 3 seconds

[compact pumice]

Do higher keys

[balmy condor]

are you not playing subterfuge

[tidal gorge]

Feels bad in lower keys, yeah. Just takes a bit to ramp up. When the dots are rolling you do decent damage though

[orchid cloak]

I think I had MA talent in my last run

Maybe that’s why

[balmy condor]

oh yeah

definitely don't run that

[limber lion]

I took a nap because I slept for 4hours and was feeling awful earlier, and now I woke up and feel even worse. halp

[compact pumice]

I’m using MA legendary and subterfuge, when you vanish with loads of dots up for 3 good garrote everything critting is good dam for sure

Don’t have a 235 Zoldyck yet though

[sacred thicket]

naps never help.

[compact pumice]

Can also try the NS + MFD + CT build with the MA legendary. Though if the tank chain pulls and you don’t get into stealth you’ll be a bit pissed

[limber lion]

I think it's still a bit frustrating if you're playing subt + zoldyck, but yeh, maybe a bit less :p

[lapis fulcrum]

Best openning pls? Playing Venthyr

[spice spire]

Should have went to sleep before two

[limber lion]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[compact pumice]

Compared to outlaw not getting into stealth is annoying overall yeah

[limber lion]

Yeaah...

[balmy condor]

it's about the same

NS vs Subt

in the amount of fucking

I'd actually argue most of the time you're losing more from chain pulls with subt

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr: because the big value with NS CT is the big aoe packs

[balmy condor]

where you're probably not chaining into them to begin with

[storm forum]

playing sin this season after pushing last season playing priest has been jarring

[limber lion]

Yeh maybe. I was just thinking that MA is pretty much a non-existent legendary if you never get stealth but Zoldyck still works even if you don't get a stealth opener. Welp, it's annoying nonetheless

[compact pumice]

I think that matters more tbh yeah

[balmy condor]

point is

both of them get fucked

[limber lion]

Exactly

[dense narwhal]

Is Infexious a credible source for sin content?

[fallow estuary]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[dense narwhal]

gottem

[gloomy knoll]

probably not

but if you get 34% crit you might unlock the secret talent

[dense narwhal]

quit meme-ing me! it's past noon lol

[balmy condor]

no

[formal lynx]

I started playing all 3 specs this patch and i got 890 haste but sims still simming better as more haste i got, anyone know the haste cap or there's not? :S

[marsh yew]

there is not a hard cap for stats

[limber lion]

There is no haste cap or any breakpoints for any stats whatsoever

Stop worrying about secondaries.

[formal lynx]

So i keep stacking haste as much as i can?

[marsh yew]

there is diminishing returns tho which starts at 30%?

[limber lion]

No

[limber lion]

Yes

[rain remnant]

There is a soft cap at 30%. You won't need to worry about it this patch.

[prisma monolith]

Mupaul: Shiv then flag in the opener?

[limber lion]

You just have to sim yourself.

[marsh yew]

^

[prisma monolith]

Aurumz: im alrdy on 27% with some pieces without haste

[formal lynx]

so i think i can get it soon

[limber lion]

That's a looot of haste

[spice spire]

No shortcuts only sim

[limber lion]

I would suggest simming yourself

Especially if you're Venthyr

[marsh yew]

that do be a lot of haste

[prisma monolith]

Yami Yelly McYellington: Dumb question, does Zoldyck effect envenom? Is envenom considered a poison? ༼つ◕_◕༽つ

[rain remnant]

It's not like it falls off a cliff at 30% either. Just each point of haste past 30% does less and less.

[limber lion]

@split cipher No, the effect causes you to apply poisons more often but Envenom is not considered a poison

[marsh yew]

I think it is 70% effective at 30% haste

[split cipher]

thank you!

[prisma monolith]

MAKEITQUAKE: YES AND NO. ENVENOM IS CONSIDERED A POISON ON SOME THINGS BUT NOT OTHERS. ZOLDYCK’S DOES NOT CONSIDER IT A POISON

[spice spire]

Not caps, but sure

[formal lynx]

so for unitarget the best it is Haste > Crit right?

cuz when i gear more vers i deal more dmg but sims less

[marsh yew]

you have to sim yourself

[formal lynx]

i dont get it

[spice spire]

There’s no set stat thing, you just have to sim haha

There’s a general guideline, but it’s always changing

[dense narwhal]

fan of knives on 4+ targets?

[spice spire]

Based on what gear you have now

[dense narwhal]

crimson temp

[loud light]

I don't think I've ever seen someone use the term 'unitarget' before

[formal lynx]

HAHA

came from another games started playing wow again like a month ago

[limber lion]

Yes

[formal lynx]

the point is that i was main outlaw and was like so ez

[limber lion]

https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

Read that

[formal lynx]

take vers as much as u can and end

[limber lion]

Even for Outlaw it doesn't work like that

[formal lynx]

man..

[limber lion]

It doesn't work for any spec like that

[formal lynx]

i know to use it

[dense narwhal]

Also, is it a ST increase to keep Crimson Tempest up on bosses in m+? And is it more dps than rupture?

[limber lion]

You don't stack a stat till the end of time

[formal lynx]

well in outlaw i stack as much vers and i hit harder

[limber lion]

It's less damage than rupture on ST, but yes you do keep it up

[limber lion]

Yes but you don't want to do that

[formal lynx]

ppl's going with 1,3 k vers

[limber lion]

The other stats increase your dps as well

Just in different ways

Like said

You have to sim yourself

[grim hawk]

oh god i just realised the little image? of this discord

ive been had the entire day

[marsh yew]

but what if your not hitting the 34% stat breakpoint?

🙂

[limber lion]

🤪

[fallow estuary]

the APL is using bone spike as the first spell

is that correct?

[limber lion]

Depends on your talents and target count

Just follow what the APL is doing.

[worldly bridge]

Hey I'm progressing on council tonight. How do you setup vendettas on this fight ? Do you cast it on CD no matter what or do you wait for a window after recital // immunity add ?

[thorn dove]

did i see somewhere that we are supposed to dot one of the bosses your not killing in council for energy? or did i just dream that lol

[worldly bridge]

And do you loose 1 vendetta during the fight by delaying it to not get fucked up by recital ?

[balmy condor]

correct

[limber lion]

You play it wisely by only using it if you get the full duration out of it. No point using before dance/right before boss dies

[balmy condor]

dotting off targets is a single target dps gain

[limber lion]

But I wouldn't wait for Recitals/adds tbh

[worldly bridge]

I can't figure how to play it this fight feels so bad mna

[earnest bramble]

Anyone wanna group up on horde side and spam dungeons to lvl alts?

[balmy condor]

this isn't lfg

[opal prawn]

does the doomblade legendary stack like ignite

[prisma monolith]

tsuid: My casters are either too lazy or too slow to react and kill the add before it gets to melee so I usually waste a couple muts on him

[balmy condor]

yes

[thorny rose]

[prisma monolith]

TSUID: DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS TRICK THX.

[worldly bridge]

wut what happened

[marsh yew]

you only garrote off targets and the occasional mut to apply deadly poison on council.

[shy dust]

Nah

You maintain 4 bleeds

[worldly bridge]

And apply poison via shuriken toss correct ? I'll try this thx :)

[marsh yew]

not on council of blood which is what we were talkin about

[near igloo]

What skill should I use after a Vanish?

[balmy condor]

you maintain rupture and garrote on the off-boss

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr: that is immune

[balmy condor]

because it increases your single target damage

[thorn dove]

ok great thanks 🙂

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr: depends on your talents, mut/env with MA, garrote with subt, rupture single target with NS, CT in aoe (⌐■_■)

[marsh yew]

guess I wasn't here when we changed because I swear a week or two ago the response was to only put garrote up on council. guess my info is already outdated.

[prisma monolith]

Shadow: was that for me?

[shy dust]

But you do

[eternal lance]

hey guys im trying to play with ns and marked of death u think i must play with zoldyck legendary or marked of assasin legendary

[limber lion]

MA

[eternal lance]

ma ?

ma is better ?

[limber lion]

Yes

[eternal lance]

can u give me rotation for ma and ns and marked of death

[thorn dove]

so just to check is it just gar on off target or rup and gar?

[prisma monolith]

Sage Har: plz -

[limber lion]

MFD in stealth - CT - Fok - Rup - Fok - Rup - Gar

[eternal lance]

aaa

i think its so good

[eternal lance]

on solo target ? what is rotation on solo

i must use ct or not

[hasty heart]

I haven’t played assa since BfA and I know we had tons of haste corruption back then, but is it really supposed to feel this slow to play?

[stoic needle]

On single target you'd mfd rupture from stealth, garotte, mut to 4/5 and then CT, and maintain ct like any other dot

[stoic needle]

Yes

[calm socket]

hey hey, i ve change to assa from sub, i ve read the description on ravenholdt and i ve seen haste is more important than versatility. however, i tried to gear to crit/vers, should i switch to crit/haste?

[grizzled orbit]

Crit/haste is a safe choice

[hasty heart]

Right, I just feel like I’m pooling more than I’m actually pushing buttons.. Just got to get used to it I guess

[eternal lance]

hmm i mean i must m o d in stealth first use rapture or ct on somthing like prideful or solo targeting

[prisma monolith]

oshosi: Yes, mfd rupture from stealth for single target (⌐■_■)

[eternal lance]

owww ok

ty

[calm socket]

sweet thanks Warner

[grizzled orbit]

as a former outlaw, Haste/Vers was the go-to for ST/raid content anyway, so going sin was an easy transition. Just have to fill in the gaps with crit. NP!

[calm socket]

sounds good, so i should go any focus on that then

[limber lion]

Secondaries don't really matter.

[calm socket]

so should i drop my crit/vers to the bin then?

[limber lion]

It's not like you can't swap from sub to Outlaw because Sub has different stat weights

[limber lion]

No

[calm socket]

cheers

how about pvp talents? any preferred ones?

[grizzled orbit]

from what I understand, and feel free to correct me anyone. System shock and creeping venom were usually the go-to for sin. Smoke bomb is optional, but still pretty good.

[marsh yew]

#pvp

[dense narwhal]

Sorry if this is a lazy question...

What m+ should I farm for daggers? lol

[prisma monolith]

Ceverion: Mists or PF

[grizzled orbit]

Mists

took me 32 Mists to get dagger.

[dense narwhal]

😦

[candid token]

Would anyone be able to look at my Inerva log? Had to do orbs once, but would like to know if there's any major thing I'm doing wrong in my rotation-ish things
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/b3LPJfC26Nq81rhp

If possible, much appreciated ^-^

[eternal lance]

guys elborate planning really work better than master poisoner ?

😄 10 % for 4 sec idk

can somone help me

[balmy condor]

in pve

yes

[eternal lance]

in pve ?

[balmy condor]

master poisoner is the worst talent in that row in pve

you take it in pvp

[eternal lance]

owww

[balmy condor]

for heal reduction

[limber lion]

Only use Master Poisoner in PVP and in Torghast

[lean coral]

I use blindside

[eternal lance]

blind side on pve ?

[balmy condor]

in single target

please refer to the pins

there are recommended talents

[lean coral]

Unless you talking about keys

Then I use planning

Anytime there's talk about pve I assume we're talking st unless guy asking states otherwise

[spice nymph]

Am I missing something or why is my Mutilated Flesh refreshing to 5 seconds only half of the time?

Confuses me so much that its being so inconsistent all of the sudden

[limber lion]

Yes. Not sure if phishing or not though

[thin inlet]

why is your 3-4 cast a blade flurry

there is no adds at this point

you should never use this in ST

and it’s a outlaw log

send it in outlaw

[candid token]

I mean the Inerva one, which I did as Ass

ow it's for some reason showing the Outlaw one now :/

I'll just change the link to the log of all fights so Inerva can be separately selected cuz it keeps swapping to the next boss killed

[prisma monolith]

VENGEFFUL: DO U GUYS USE MOUSEOVER OR TABBING FOR MULTI-TARGET?

[limber lion]

Tab-targetting most of the time, sometimes mouseover is better. @faint girder

[spice spire]

I’m a tab gamer as well. But listen to cev, he’s actually good

[limber lion]

Tab gamers rise up

[storm forum]

I tab unless there's something specific, then I /target it (ie. Bladebeak Hatchling in ardenweald)

[prisma monolith]

MALEEK: DOES ANYONE HAVE A CASTSEQUENCE MACRO FOR AN OPENER IN LIKE A BOSS FIGHT

[limber lion]

@real sandal do not use cast sequence macros

highly recommend against them

[native lynx]

can anyone see sense in putting pi on a ww monk

[real sandal]

why not

[shy dust]

no

[limber lion]

Because your opener changes every pull

It's not the same every time

[shy dust]

monk doesnt gain much from pi

[limber lion]

There's a lot of factors that change how you open. Whether or not you crit, whether or not the boss parries a spell, whether or not you have lust etc.

[icy crater]

parry so annoying

just remove it at this point

[thorny rose]

seconded

[kind talon]

Thirded

[strange python]

I agree...game already has enough anti-melee shit going on as it is

[storm forum]

the only thing I can see cast sequence macro being okay for would be when you're using double on-use trinkets

[limber lion]

Don't recommend that either.

[kind talon]

True

[limber lion]

I mean you can just use
/cast vendetta
/cast flag

But ehh

[kind talon]

But on use trinkets are off gcd no?

So u could just make a double cast macro

[thorny rose]

but they share 20s cooldown between uses

[kind talon]

Oh

True

[thorny rose]

cant use them at the same time

[solid shale]

u wanna use flag right before ur first rupture not with vendetta

[native lynx]

why?

[balmy condor]

because its more lashes

[strange python]

Vendetta amps the initial flag hit tho I thought

[solid shale]

cuz u dont want to be wasting globals refreshing bleeds during vendetta

[balmy condor]

it doesn't really matter where exactly you put them

[clever vapor]

Is it impossible to parse well on shriek unless the group kills it before second phase?

[eternal sleet]

is it even worth running anything else then doomblade anywhere?

[limber lion]

In Heroic? Yes.

[winged basin]

yes, the longer the fight the less dps you are doing.

[limber lion]

Yeah, you don't use Doomblade in M+

[clever vapor]

Dang, gotta assemble a pumper group ;\

[eternal sleet]

doom still sims the best for me just done a +19 intime with doom

[strange python]

For mythic if you end up with 2 intermission phases on shriek its gonna be harder to get a good parse

[winged basin]

what is your avg overall? just curious what numbers assass is doing in higher keys

[limber lion]

Depends on what you consider a good parse though

[eternal sleet]

https://puu.sh/HuApE/3d6534445f.jpg

[limber lion]

You can get 95+ even with the intermission

[eternal sleet]

here you go

[limber lion]

I did a +18 SD and did 7k overall

[eternal sleet]

spires is kinda low i guess alot of cc packs no big pulls

[balmy condor]

ryfie's getting 7-8k in his keys pretty comfortably as well

[winged basin]

Word, I am a fire mage, and I am trying to get my rogue back up to specs.

[clever vapor]

well I got 99 on hungering which is single target similar to shriek, but I can't pump more than 91 on shriek

[storm forum]

Depends on the dungeon, I do between 6k and 7k usually, I think my best was a 18 or 19 mists with 7.2k

[limber lion]

Ye, around 7k is great

[limber lion]

Yeh, need to skip the intermission then

[winged basin]

after playing mage all xpac, coming back to my rogue feels beautiful

[eternal sleet]

done 7 on necrotik wake

[ebon bramble]

is zoldyck the go to for m+ or is doomblade viable?

[balmy condor]

zold

[ebon bramble]

lost to that hunter tho D:

[eternal sleet]

well as i just said i've done a 19 with doom so should work

[limber lion]

Yeah it's fine

But it's not the go-to

[ebon bramble]

noice! is the diff like huge between zoldyck and doomblade?

[limber lion]

Yes

They do different things

[eternal sleet]

idk doom sims better for me so

[limber lion]

You get little value from Doom because you don't use mutilates/envenoms in packs

[prisma monolith]

MONO: I HAVE THE ASH TO CRAFT ZOLDYCK

[ebon bramble]

doom definitely sims better but not sure how well it translates over to actual m+

[ebon bramble]

true. hmm 🤔

[clever vapor]

@limber lion Thanks for the info! Out of curiosity, do you happen to know what's the best way to parse well on council. Dot all 3 targets or single target 1? And is any specific order mandatory for good parse ( similarly to how druids need niklaus to die last in order to parse well )

[eternal sleet]

yea super hard to sim a real m+ scenario

i mean i can craft it on 235 and try it if you are sure its alot better

[limber lion]

Tbh just dot up a second target but that's it

It's a bit too much if you try to have bleeds up on everything

[solid shale]

yall putting zoldyks on legs

[stoic needle]

It's not very good except for certain dungeons where you are fighting small packs a lot of the time like theater of pain or plaguefall

[clever vapor]

Thanks!

[limber lion]

Yes

But yeah, fact is still that you get literally 0 use for Doom in dungeons where you pull more than 3 mobs at a time.

It's still fine on bosses, but non-existant on packs

And in M+ the packs are the majority of your overall damage.

[eternal sleet]

so you guys suggest to craft zoldyck? have the ashe have the moneys i can try have a 20 necrotic wake key

[limber lion]

Even during Tyrannical weeks.

[limber lion]

Zoldyck or MA

[storm forum]

Doom probably gets good value if your tank is chain pulling/not pulling big too

[eternal sleet]

rly dont know how to paly with ma in higher keys can you rly burst that much to be worth?

[limber lion]

7-8k in overall with MA. Seems fine to me

[eternal sleet]

hell yea it does

7k was my highest

[faint girder]

im trying to decide if i play my recently leveled rogue as outlaw or assassination on m+, do u guys think assassination is alot hard then outlaw?

[alpine garden]

Its harder to be good

[bitter drift]

Outlaw is better and easier for m+ imo.

[prisma monolith]

Mono: its harder id'say and probably better (❁´◡`❁)

[limber lion]

Assa is definitely harder than Outlaw in M+, but I don't think it's thaaat hard honestly

[storm forum]

outlaw is much harder for me than sin due to the psychological stress I get playing a class/spec without DoTs

[limber lion]

It's easier to get great results with Outlaw

[eternal sleet]

@limber lion well if you check keys most assas cant get more then 20's

[limber lion]

Not that many people play Assa in high keys

[eternal sleet]

true!

[ionic kelp]

cause when you get into high keys you need the CC outlaw brings

[limber lion]

It's not because they can't

[faint girder]

i main priest disc with offspec on spriest, so dot every mob on packs and maintaing is hard lol

[limber lion]

It's just that Outlaw is better so for pushing they just default to it

[eternal sleet]

outlaw brings 1 cc more while assa brings big silence

[round harbor]

It's cause outlaw is just better in every way

[eternal sleet]

dont think its cause of cc

they do stun for free tho

[ionic kelp]

big silence for every opener and vanish

ya pretty huge

[storm forum]

does blade flurry make kidney shot an AoE stun? cause if it doesn't, it should

[round harbor]

?????

No

[eternal sleet]

fml well i gona craft zoldycks and tell you how it went for me

thx boys <3

[thorny rose]

I think you’ll be happy with that @eternal sleet

[eternal sleet]

crit haste still right?

[viral zodiac]

heya! what professtion would you recommend for a rogue in shadowlands?

[eternal sleet]

or just sim