assassination

[final star]

But I only do like 18 lol

[nimble spoke]

I can feel the attack range difference between doing Outlaw before on SLG and doing Sin, now XD

[final star]

outlaw is obviously better damage

goes without saying

[onyx wind]

outlaw also has AoE burst

[final star]

but it's not the damage I miss when I don't play outlaw

[onyx wind]

better aoe burst, better consistent cleave, better ST without cooldowns

[pallid spear]

if skirmishers are fine in ur raid u should play assas

[final star]

less reliant on restealths, especially this week

[limber lion]

It's not just about skirmishers

[pallid spear]

its all about skirmishers

[vagrant mauve]

and having AR ready for basically every pack on fort weeks is pretty nice too

[limber lion]

oki

[pallid spear]

commandos are blasted by wildspirits

[nimble spoke]

I'm not sure my guild will be doing mythic progression, so I'll probably just stick to getting DB leveled for raid and Celerity for 15s

[frail fossil]

[limber lion]

Yeah if you have 3 hunters in your guild.

[final star]

assassination is simply built for single target with aoe tacked on as talents

[limber lion]

Not every guild has that.

[frail fossil]

what is that slg take

[pallid spear]

2 are enuff

[onyx wind]

we carry hunters on sludge so they can carry us on SLG

[pallid spear]

sludge hunter immunity pog

[pallid spear]

2 are enuff since u have at least 1 mage

Did any1 play dashing Scoundrel yet?

[onyx wind]

No ash to try anything

[final star]

lool

[onyx wind]

have 2x 235 sub legendaries

:D

[pallid spear]

i only have finality D:

[final star]

too many legendaries

not enough ash

[stoic needle]

Why play dashing when you could doomblade

[pallid spear]

ye torghast and ash are kinda meh

sometimes its nice to play new tings 8-)

[nimble spoke]

Yea, I'll never swap from rogue for the guild, again. I feel so behind on leggos

[frail fossil]

u need 3 leggos

4 actually, ma, celerity, doomblade, zolck

[pallid spear]

even doomblade + zoldyck are fine if u dont play outlaw

[nimble spoke]

Yea, I was sub, at first, so I got 210 Finality. Feelsbad since I only play it for pvp, now

I have 190 DB and 210 Celerity

[pallid spear]

Did you reroll for progression?

[nimble spoke]

Yea, to be better in raid, but I'm also interested in getting KSM

[final star]

KSM can be done on any spec/class

[pallid spear]

What did you play in raid? i had to play WW

[nimble spoke]

My guild is really just going to farm Heroic, though, we aren't going to be pushing Mythic, I don't think

I played mage, swapped to tank for the guild, then we got a mass influx of tank mains and I swapped to rogue, which I wanted from the start lol

[pallid spear]

Maw on 3 chars

pog

[final star]

I have a 224 rogue and a 220 boomy

I wanna play rogue more

[nimble spoke]

Maw on 4: joke's on me, I started Horde this xpac

[final star]

But will also reroll to any class required

🤷

[pallid spear]

nooo dude why u do this to yourself

[final star]

I can still keep my characters up to date

3 characters is trivial

[onyx wind]

cba doing maw on alts

[final star]

most guilds straight up don't bother telling people to do the maw

[nimble spoke]

I wanted to help my guild. First they lacked mages, then everyone wanted to be a mage because of the deeps. So I swapped tank since we were always pugging. I should have just started with my rogue, I hate feeling like my leggos suck for sin

[final star]

cos everyone knows it's shit

[pallid spear]

yeah same, but i had to on monk for progression, i got sockets at sire M almost worth it

[nimble spoke]

I'm kicking myself, now. I should have just rolled rogue from the jump

[onyx wind]

I think people should just play what they enjoy

Someone being good at something and enjoying it is infinitely better for raid environment in 99% of cases

[nimble spoke]

Yea, I'm learning that the hard way

[pallid spear]

Yeah especially when you dont push for mythic raids

[onyx wind]

Yea or if u just dont push for top 100 mythic

[nimble spoke]

Yea. I might be better off getting DB 210, then craft Zol, see which I like. If DB is serviceable in 15s I might not sweat it

[onyx wind]

Enjoying something doesnt mean u will be better at it always, but it means u actually are inclined to learn the class

and optimize it

[onyx wind]

You can play anything you want in +15's man dont sweat it

[final star]

ya like my guild has a guy with a 225 ele shaman and a 220 UH DK

He plays Ele shaman on denathrius

[onyx wind]

ele is pumping

[final star]

cos he's more comfortable on it

[pallid spear]

Ele boss dps is insane

even shits on shadows on devourer now

or maybe because they have to funnel all buffs into a random mage who wants to farm logs

[onyx wind]

u mean hungering destroyer?

[pallid spear]

ah yes sorry im stupid

[final star]

that's straight up wrong loool

[onyx wind]

really wish there was an option to toggle off PI on the overall logs

and statistics

makes it so hard to actually tell anything from it

[final star]

the first ele shaman on M Denathrius logs

is 448 for boss damage

[nimble spoke]

I appreciate it. I'm no world first pusher, or anything, but I'm someone who likes to feel efficient. I might just focus on the themes of each spec and do sin for raid with DB and outlaw Celerity for getting my 15s done. Sub will have to make due with its Finality 210 for now for pvp XD

[pallid spear]

earthquake top dmg

pog

[sterile jackal]

i'm doing 14/15 as sin, its cool

[final star]

boss damage dominated by aff lock

[pallid spear]

ye because they are allowed to use CDs on boss and not on adds

[sterile jackal]

using MA, gathering soul ash for zold rank4

[nimble spoke]

yea, if DB is fine in 15s, then I can just swap based on the affixes if I want more aoe or more ST

[pallid spear]

and they have remornia

[final star]

I mean ele does not pump

on denathrius

[sterile jackal]

sin can also rupt/garrote remornia

[final star]

but a good ele will pump more than a mediocre dk on the same player 😛

[pallid spear]

yes but sin wont beat affliction if u have to vendetta something like gloomveil

[pallid spear]

Rip AMZ

[final star]

AMZ when the raid average is 225

[sterile jackal]

well, wow clearly favors range dps

[final star]

maybe a few months ago

not now though

[pallid spear]

if youre 2 healing its pretty good

[final star]

ain't no guild 2 healing denthrius prog

[pallid spear]

nono not talking about prog

[final star]

I am

[pallid spear]

Oh you are on denath prog right now?

[final star]

my guild is, not me

I am not raiding atm

[pallid spear]

aaaaah isee

[final star]

I haven't raided since artificer

I despised outlaw in raid

and my performance reflected that

making errors etc

[pallid spear]

Understandable

[sterile jackal]

my guild is stuck on devourer :<

[pallid spear]

i swapped to WW after artificer

[final star]

like

I got deep dick fucked over on artificer as rogue

and it really impacted my overall performance

🤷

[pallid spear]

rip

[final star]

I was running seed by the entrance to boss room

for all of prog

[pallid spear]

but now u can live the comeback dream as sin

[final star]

ya

that's the plan once denathrius dies

[pallid spear]

hows denathrius going?

[final star]

they "saw" P3 on their last wipe last night

2nd prog night

[pallid spear]

sounds good, could be dead next raidnight then

[final star]

perhaps

I expect the one after tbh

they are getting better and better quickly

[pallid spear]

Depends if the last seedplayer choke

[final star]

p1 super smooth

p2 smooth for first half

I expect them to clean up p2 first half of next raid

then half way through p3 the 2nd half

then kill him raid after

[pallid spear]

Lucky p3 try could kill him aswell

[inland garnet]

Do i have to run Zoldyck in M+ or can i use Dashing Scoundrel?

[pallid spear]

Unless you run high M+ you can use whatever you feel like usually

[spice spire]

You CAN run DS. But Zoldyck provides the overall pump as you don’t need regen in aoe usually.

But also ToP on tyrannical? Have some aoe pumpers but need boss damage? Dashing works pretty well. It’s not black and white on decisions like that

[onyx wind]

dashing is banger afaik in m+

[inland garnet]

Yeah well i mostly do 15s right now with friends so i dont know if i can get much out of Zoldyck since both other dds are pretty good and there isnt much time to do execute damage with my group

[onyx wind]

havent tried it

[onyx wind]

what classes are u playing with

[stoic bobcat]

does our bis legendary for single target differ according to our covenant? Is it still doomblade for nightfae?

[frail fossil]

yes

[inland garnet]

We are 2 Windwalkers and me right now

[spice spire]

Melee misery comp

[pallid spear]

Focus on bosses then lmao

[onyx wind]

I GOT THE SOUL ASH MISSION LETS GOOO

now i can get 235 next week

we did it

[pallid spear]

POG

i got 1 too but its lvl 60 and i just swapped to venthyr last week 🙂

[onyx wind]

how do i beat the soul ash mission as venthyr

[pallid spear]

guess if my follower are strong enuff

[inland garnet]

Most bosses take under 40 seconds not much to focus on ^^

[pallid spear]

sounds like you blast those keys in like 15minutes anyway

[spice spire]

Well it is a fortified week

Even last week AoE focused with a boomy and uhdk bosses still lasted about a minute and a half

[onyx wind]

guys how do i beat the soul ash mission...

[spice spire]

As venthyr? LMAO pray

[pallid spear]

my good team are the 3 soulbinds, the 1 healing girl and i think sybille

wait ill log on

[turbid geyser]

Hey, im thinking about rerolling to sin rogue. For alliance, is it still recommended to go night elf for the extra reset on the empowered garrote? Or was that more of a end of bfa corruption madness thing?

[pallid spear]

Bloodmallet says: Mechagnome > Voidelf > Dark iron Dawrf top3 alliance

[turbid geyser]

I checked bloodmallet as well, but I am not sure if the shadowmelt reset is part of the sim.

[pallid spear]

@onyx wind im using Nadija, Kaletar, Rahel, Theotar and General Draven - they did it pretty easy

[final star]

mechagnome is by FAR the strongest race in the game

it cannot be contested

[pallid spear]

usually is thats why Nightelf is so strong for feral for example

I personally did voidelf on my rogue because i think mechagnome sucks ass (visually)

[final star]

diaper babies for a reason

ugliest race also best race

[pallid spear]

😄

[final star]

[onyx wind]

good enough

[final star]

I use venture plan

doesn't do me wrong

[onyx wind]

oh let me try that

[final star]

my units are all like level 15 since convenant swap

other than the generic ones

[pallid spear]

good ol' meatball

[final star]

cronan a real one

[onyx wind]

meatball is level 38, mostothers are 15-18

cronan fucking sucks

[turbid geyser]

Ok thanks guys 🙂

[pallid spear]

ye i hate that man too haha

[onyx wind]

where can i get venture planner?

[wicked perch]

Hey guys, thinking of switching from outlaw to sin. How far are we behind on outlaw in terms of mythics?

[onyx wind]

for +25's? very far behind

for +15's? not much

[strange python]

play whats fun :D

[pallid spear]

25s mean bleed have more impact

[pallid spear]

I dont push high m+ anymore and i dont really play outlaw but i did 7,8k overall in mists 16 on sin if that helps you in any way

[slow merlin]

Guys, I switched to assa and to Venthyr last week. I'm very happy with raid performance, got couple 90+% ilvl parses on heroic raid yesterday. I struggled on Denathrius, only 50% parse. I tried to multidot every add, sire and sword and it is not optimal probably. I also tried 14+ mythic, but I was not sure how to distribute dots and when to use crimson tempest. Is there any m+ guide? I checked all pined guides and there is nothing or very little for m+. Let's say you are in +15 and there are 5 mobs which will live like 30+ seconds, standard m+ talent build. What is your opener? Stealth>garrote>garrote>garrote>FoK + 5xrupture>FoK+CT spam, redot? Or something else. What about big pulls, 10+ mobs, FoK + ct spam?

[wicked perch]

Thanks

[strange python]

infexous has a good m+ youtube guide

[final star]

no he doesn't

[strange python]

ya dont think?

[final star]

nothing he makes is good content

at all

[strange python]

LOL fair

[final star]

it's inaccurate garbage

[strange python]

why do you say that? i play rogue as an alt so i dont follow the community as closely as i do with my main, kinda just assumed his content was fine

[pallid spear]

3x garrote -> fok -> CT is what i do then i start rupturing if i have SND up already

[frail fossil]

he just says wrong thing

[pallid spear]

and on 10ish targets i basically spam fok and CT with 2 or 3 rupture

[frail fossil]

he's a good player, but that doesn't mean the info he shares is accurate

[strange python]

fair enough, is there any assa content creator that has good info then?

or not so much

[final star]

https://discord.gg/ravenholdt

[limber lion]

JustRuss has a really good video guide.

[final star]

Best content creator for rogue

[limber lion]

If you're into that sort of thing

[strange python]

ill check it out thanks cev

[limber lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ60oclL_5k

Here you go

[final star]

anything in any video on youtube

can just be read in the pins

[limber lion]

Yeah but some people prefer watching a video instead of reading a guide.

And that's completely fine.

[pallid spear]

listening feels better than reading

[final star]

videos can be prone to inaccuracy and become outdated

[strange python]

i mean it was just a question about if there was any content creators, no need to be weird about it

[frail fossil]

yeah

[frigid kestrel]

hmm.... time to check this shit out, im always down for more information... or a good laugh

[frail fossil]

some people are into video guides that is fine

[final star]

not saying to not watch it

[limber lion]

RH is a vibrant place for sure

[frail fossil]

better direct them toward good one

[bright timber]

Where in the pins is the m+ opener?

[final star]

More that straight from the horses mouth is gonna be way better

rather than the middle man

[frail fossil]

garrote garrote garrote garrote

[frigid kestrel]

%80 of video guides ive watched have given out dated or flat out wrong information

but are pretty good fro people just getting into rogue

[limber lion]

3 targets with Subterfuge and Crimston Tempest talents:
Gar (target 1) - Gar (target 2) - Gar (target 3) - SnD - Muti - Rup - Muti - Muti - Flag - Vendetta - Shiv - CT - Muti - Vanish - Reapply Garrotes on all targets, etc.

[frail fossil]

things is yeah guide get out of date

[mighty owl]

Videos are just hard to keep updated. The written guides in the pins are updated frequently

[limber lion]

Yeah there isn't a pin for rotations, but you can refer to the guides as well

[frail fossil]

quickly

[limber lion]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[spice spire]

Iirc Russ did a pretty good job with the video

[frail fossil]

but that russ video is good

[frigid kestrel]

facts

[onyx wind]

bro what is that

[final star]

videos only as good as the date they are uploaded

[onyx wind]

3 target boss ?

[frigid kestrel]

Imma check it out, see if hes worth following

[final star]

It's just inherent problem with the medium though

so can't really blame it

[limber lion]

It's a 3 target opener, like it says at the top.

[onyx wind]

ye but ur not running MFD

so its not a dungeon

or what

[frail fossil]

but better redirect them toward decent ones even if they're not perfect than leaving people alone watching misleading guides

[limber lion]

Yeh cause you run MFD in every dungeon

I'll have you know that most people run Vigor in dungeons, not MFD.

[onyx wind]

im asking honestly

not throwing shade

[pallid spear]

no DS? rip

[final star]

MfD is better, but vigor is comfy gaming ngl

[frail fossil]

not playing mfd in m+

[onyx wind]

vigor is comfy but im never giving up MFD CT

[final star]

Yeah I only run mfd too

[onyx wind]

mfd CT is what makes me not want to end it all

in dungeons

[final star]

Yup

especially with nightstalker 😄

[pallid spear]

just take DS and be rebellious

[frail fossil]

just talent into the weaker one to be rebellions

[limber lion]

And that's fine. The top 5 highest rated Assa rogues run EP/Vig/CT.

[frail fossil]

OWNING

[limber lion]

But you can do that if it makes you feel better.

[onyx wind]

top 5 highest rated assa rogues 😎

[frail fossil]

again top players in m+

[final star]

😂

[frail fossil]

are not always running the best set up

top outlaw player took forever to finally talent into MFD

[onyx wind]

but ye vigor prob outscales mfd when ur doing higher keys

ngl

[limber lion]

Yep, def not.

And it's a minimal gain if anything.

Like said earlier, it doesn't matter what talents/legendaries you use

Just play what you want xd

Nothing matters

[onyx wind]

How do i get a leaderboard of assa rogues

jesus man calm down

we are here for u

[slow merlin]

3 target opener is nice to see, but in m+ there are almost no 3 mobs pulls. I would like to see 5+ mobs opener. How to balance rupture and garrote and when FoK + ct spam...

[limber lion]

You never Fok + CT spam

You would open gar gar gar gar ct fok rup with vigor

[final star]

[limber lion]

and gar gar gar rup mfd ct with MFD

[limber lion]

By looking at raider.io?

[onyx wind]

are u playing MFD

cant find assa specifically as a spec

only top rogues

[slow merlin]

yeah, but with 10+ mobs I think you don't rupture them all, makes no sense

[limber lion]

Look at spec specific leaderboards, not class.

[thin inlet]

anyone know how to use SBS as assassination

[onyx wind]

oh true

[frigid kestrel]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-spec-rankings/season-sl-1/world/rogue/assassination/0#content

[onyx wind]

wait i can get rank1 assa

[frigid kestrel]

There you go

[onyx wind]

i just need to find people who want to carry me

[limber lion]

Anyone can.

[frigid kestrel]

Yea

[limber lion]

It's really low compared to other specs.

[frigid kestrel]

Yea again

[onyx wind]

thats what im saying

im very humble

[frail fossil]

yo it's fine to pool energy before u shiv ?

[final star]

It's first "push" week

[frail fossil]

if u dont cap

[final star]

And it's a bad one for assassination

[limber lion]

Yeah

And preferred

[frail fossil]

i'm a outlaw brain so like

[limber lion]

But you don't want to delay casting Shiv

[frail fossil]

i usually forget to pool

[frigid kestrel]

Yea top 10 rogues, 1 running MFD and one running DS

[frail fossil]

yeah ik

[limber lion]

You pool before it comes off cooldown

Yeh

[frigid kestrel]

Nothing legit matters

[onyx wind]

yea its good to pool

but u dont need to

as long as u dont try to fuck it up

[frail fossil]

also after pressing evenom i pull to 70 energy ?

to extend the debuff

ye ?

[limber lion]

Yeah pretty much.

[frail fossil]

[limber lion]

Don't need to spam, unless you know for sure you can get 3 envenom casts off with your energy gains.

[strange python]

assa rogue is the 4th lowest spec on io sadge

[limber lion]

That would require several targets and or lust/vendetta though so eh

[onyx wind]

i can only get 3x envenoms off with lust and vanish

and procs

[limber lion]

Yeh, usually it's 2

So better to just wait between Envenom's

[frigid kestrel]

Ye, it should change slowly after buff but still be on the lower spectrum

[limber lion]

Envenom does pandemic though, so you don't need to wait for it to drop before applying. Just in case if you weren't aware

[thin inlet]

did they fix that?

[limber lion]

Fine to Envenom at 2s

[limber lion]

Yes

[thin inlet]

nice, when?

[limber lion]

Before 9.0.5

[thin inlet]

oh

cause I heard they broke it

in 9.05

[limber lion]

No, they broke it before 9.0.5

Then they fixed it like 2 days before releasing 9.0.5

[thin inlet]

ok I’m glad

[limber lion]

In fact they broke it in 9.0 or maybe even in beta

When they were messing with Dashing Scoundrel

[thin inlet]

so many bugs with all the rogue specs

[limber lion]

We're doing pretty well now currently

Several of the major bugs have been fixed

[thin inlet]

outlaw still has the BTE + flurry interaction bug iirc

which is quite painful

[limber lion]

Still some, like the Finality bug, but that's just a good thing

[green saffron]

hi, does SBS dot count as bleed if I use Dloomblade?

[limber lion]

Yeh no clue about that.

[limber lion]

Yes

[green saffron]

ty

[thin inlet]

Also does for zyldick iirc

[limber lion]

Yes, sir

[frosty bridge]

yep

And for Zoldyck

[thin inlet]

do you know how to use SBS as assa ceverion

never gotten an answer for this

[frosty bridge]

Sudden fractures actually sims pretty high for me

Compared to WPS

[frosty bridge]

Personally, using it over Muta during Shiv windows to spam envenom

Due to low energy cost

Of course not letting it cap on charges etc

[final star]

[thin inlet]

yes, it’s just odd since mutliate is already such a good cp builder

so I’m not sure how to use it in ST

in aoe I believe it’s just like outlaw

[frosty bridge]

Basically, the first spike I use during the opener, gives only 1 CP

[thin inlet]

well that’s RNG

it’s a bug that causes it to vary

[frosty bridge]

Sadly yes

[thin inlet]

it’s 1/2cp depending on how game calculates it

[frosty bridge]

But ideally you use it at 3cp, and after that just use it like mutilate i guess

[onyx wind]

Is it worth casting envenom at lets say 4 cp if u have shiv up?

and cant fit another

its what ive been doing but idk

[limber lion]

Yes

[frosty bridge]

Without DS

yes

[drowsy parcel]

me too! i run it for all content, outlaw included

[limber lion]

Especially when running Doomblade, it pulls ahead quite a bit.

Even more if it's during Flag window

[onyx wind]

no with DS

[limber lion]

Yes

[frosty bridge]

Just hit Muta one more time

[limber lion]

No

[frosty bridge]

unless shiv is about to expire, no?

Ah, fair enough

[limber lion]

If your Shiv has 1s left and you have to choose between Muti/Env at 4cp with DS

You Env

[frosty bridge]

Oh yeah, in that case yes

[onyx wind]

nice thats what ive been doing

just wanted to know if i was griefing

[frosty bridge]

The question was if shiv is up, not if it was about to expire

Thats why i was confused

[limber lion]

I'm sure there's many others who are inting wayyyyy harder

[green saffron]

Does Shiv buff Nature damage from Trinkets?

[limber lion]

No it wasn't

Read up again

[frosty bridge]

I see

My bad

Didn't see the 2nd part 😁

I hit Sludge yesterday for 26k with Envenom during pillar

felt good

[final star]

No

[limber lion]

My best is 51k, but I play the cheese build on Sludge, not the usual BS/DS

[onyx wind]

god forbid every trinket isnt equally balanced

dont make any of them interact with any spec

and while ur at it, make them as boring as possible

[thin inlet]

ye rly sad how incredibly boring the trinkets are in SL

haven’t come across a single interesting one

[knotty heron]

Question: I am seeing and hearing that Subterfuge isnt what we use for single target bosses anymore. I was super surprised! But ok. How does this change my opener ?

[final star]

We need CoF V2

[onyx wind]

IQD is the most fun one

[final star]

[thin inlet]

or quantum device is a bit Interesting I suppose

[pearl depot]

hey all should you always line flagellation up with vendetta? I've got some pretty confident but conflicting info from some people I asked in game

[final star]

If fight is 5 mins or less

[pearl depot]

otherwise on 6 dont so you get extra flagellation?

[limber lion]

No

You use it on CD

[spice spire]

Flag on CD always

[limber lion]

You can try to line up the last cast of flag

But generally just cast on CD

[final star]

Sims use flag with vendetta until 5 min sim

6 min and above uses on CD

[pearl depot]

makes sense. thanks all XD

[limber lion]

Yeah and on 4 min it uses it on cd

And 3 min it matches it again

[onyx wind]

whats the gain from lining up flag with vendetta and NOT losing a cast

[limber lion]

Good luck

[onyx wind]

like whats the max gain from gambling

ukno

[limber lion]

Can't remember off the top of my head, there's probably some sims in #tc-research

[pearl depot]

another question as I read from up above. What is this cheese build for sludge?

actually useful or just something silly to do?

[final star]

Maximising pillar damage with master Assassin legendary, nightstalker, EP

Mfd

[limber lion]

It's actually useful and will provide more damage overall if the fight is on the shorter side.

[onyx wind]

yea was playing MA on some fights as sub aswell

very very very dependant on fight length tho

[final star]

Fight has to be like

3.30ish for best results

[limber lion]

The most important thing is that Sludge has to die at a good time, not necessarily quick

[final star]

1st and 3rd pillar

[limber lion]

No

[final star]

Just after burst

[limber lion]

Definitely not

You lust 2nd pillar and use cds on pull and second pillar

And boss has to die after that.

[final star]

Lucky boi getting lust on 2nd pillar

With 3 mins cd gamers

[limber lion]

The boss dies on 2nd pillar

So 3 min users only get 1 use anyways

So they just save it for 2nd pillar

[final star]

I haven't done a main raider hc run

Since the 2nd week of mythic

[limber lion]

Yeh, probably shouldn't talk smack and be so overly-confident if you're not aware

It's like me giving advice on Boomkin's

And I have no fucking clue what they even do

[onyx wind]

jesus man

why are u always so hostile XD

[final star]

Who said I was overly confident

They just convoke

Who said I was talking smack

[limber lion]

Ye that's what I think as well

No one, I'm just a bit tired and exaggerating everything

Sorry

[final star]

[limber lion]

I'll go do my boost run and chill for a bit

[final star]

Bad Ceverion

But na boomy is just as fight length dependant

If not more than rogue

Saving convoke for CA

[onyx wind]

luckily fight lengths are very similar on mythic

and noone cares abt heroic

[final star]

Or using convoke on CD

Big stink sometimes

[limber lion]

[final star]

My boomer only 220 though

[pallid spear]

Double on use trinket

[onyx wind]

boomie in my guild got 226 ordinance

playing mage for my alt

its actually fun in m+ :O

[final star]

Everyone and their mum got mage alts at this point

[icy crater]

🤮

[onyx wind]

what can i say

the class is fun

and always good

[final star]

Disagree

That it's fun

[onyx wind]

ok i take that back

fire is fun

[final star]

Agree it good

[onyx wind]

not the class

[final star]

Frost more fun to me than fire

Before their aoe legendary

[rotund arch]

yeah frost is goat

arcane is the only stinker

[final star]

Where they brain dead spam ice lance

[rotund arch]

so basic

[pallid spear]

Arcane Barrage!

[rotund arch]

would rather play havoc than arcane

actually I take that back

[onyx wind]

ive got an arcane mage in my guild

[pallid spear]

I crafted the arcane barrage thing

played 1 key

that was renown 9

mage is still renown 9

[onyx wind]

arcane in keys 😎

my mage hit renown 40 before my rogue...

[pallid spear]

Idk i played mage in nyalotha because we needed it thats why i level'd up mage 2nd in shadowlands but idk i cant be bothered playing ranges

because u played MoP casters

[onyx wind]

dont remind me :(

[pallid spear]

the difference in class design between mop and everything else after that (besides WoD maybe) its so fucking huge

casters were so fun back in the day

[icy crater]

Sadly mop was the 1 expansion I didn't play

[pallid spear]

u missed out brother

[icy crater]

I've heard

[pallid spear]

warlock and mage were so insanely awesome to play

[onyx wind]

mop was banger

[pallid spear]

tanks were awesome

[icy crater]

Well, I played the start of it and then quit pretty much immediately

[pallid spear]

mop is the only addon (i started in BC) in which i loved being a caster, i usually play melee only

[onyx wind]

WoD was fine aswell

imo

[pallid spear]

yes classwise 100% agree

i also think shadowlands is on a good way but a few miles are missing still

maybe next xpac

[onyx wind]

shadowlands is nice but

u almost never feel "strong"

[molten compass]

i loved Sub Rogue in WoD

[limber lion]

WoW has a serious power creep every expansion

You feel like shit in X.1

Then you feel like a god in X.3

[icy crater]

I played through high maul in wod then quit after

That raid was honestly really good

[onyx wind]

like no class/spec is allowed to pop off

i tanked highmaul on warrior

[limber lion]

I've killed the Unmaker, Argus. The Titan of Death.

[pallid spear]

Raids in general in WoD were insane

[onyx wind]

warrior tank in WoD

[limber lion]

Next week I die to a pig

Fun

[icy crater]

lmao

[spice spire]

🙂

[onyx wind]

then u went gladiator shit

was a banger

[icy crater]

tbh I'll always remember porting into argus' room the first time having not seen the boss before

[pallid spear]

and then they removed it because they werent able to balance it D:

[icy crater]

it looked so damn good

[final star]

Thanks target cap

[limber lion]

Argus was such a good fight

It's up there for me for sure.

[icy crater]

absolutely

[final star]

Gul'dan is my favourite fight I've ever progged still

Whole of NH was

[limber lion]

Gul'dan was sick af as well for sure

[icy crater]

imperator was so fun

[onyx wind]

gul'dan was nice yea

[final star]

Especially as a rogue on gul'dan

[icy crater]

a really nice end boss

[limber lion]

Seeing Illidan come down the first time was so pog

[onyx wind]

i miss NH

[pallid spear]

I love Star Augur and Blackhand

[final star]

Where you had personal responsibility

[limber lion]

I was waiting for something similar with Garrosh on Sire

[onyx wind]

star augur is def up there for me aswell

[limber lion]

But nothing ever happened 😢

[icy crater]

never progged NH, quit and came back after, are you seeing a trend? 🙂

[final star]

NH was honestly immaculate

[onyx wind]

i miss when they made x.0.5 raids

[final star]

Elisande fight was so unique

[onyx wind]

trial of valor was actually good

[final star]

The chosen when ToV was relevant content

[icy crater]

Can someone explain why faction champs in togc was so hated

I never understood

[pallid spear]

the only thing i hated about blackhand was the fact that you need like 18 out of 20 ppl with "the right class" to actually play the boss. 3 hunters with aspect of the fox , 2 boomer and 2 wl to cheese the balcony and stuff , 3 rogues which would actually just run around baiting the fucking tankfires

[final star]

When the Monk tank taunted Guam during charge >>>>>>>

[onyx wind]

HAHAH

[pallid spear]

ppl always hate pvp thats why they raid 8-)

[onyx wind]

then there was helya

a fight legit designed for DH's

[final star]

Helya was a good ass fight

So was odyn tbf

[onyx wind]

yea

meanwhile this raid sucks ass

[silent tinsel]

Kelthuzad is coming back

[pallid spear]

you think so? i think nathria is fine besides SLG

[icy crater]

I just started council last night and that fight is really fun so far

[onyx wind]

how can u like council wtf...

[silent tinsel]

Council sucks

[final star]

Council stinks

[regal iron]

new to assa, which missives for doomblade on hands?

[final star]

Worst fight in raid after sun King

[onyx wind]

sludgefist and artificer are the only fun fights for me

[icy crater]

arti is budget council

[onyx wind]

and artificer is only fun without dps stop

[final star]

I like huntsman

[icy crater]

???

[onyx wind]

hunstman AKA lootship

[icy crater]

I like target dummies too but like

we're talking about bosses xd

[final star]

Huntsman fun

[onyx wind]

but those fights are not target dummies

[silent tinsel]

3 intermissions and immune shields the fight

[final star]

I will die on this hill

[onyx wind]

it feels like ur DPS matters and there is individual responsibility

[icy crater]

arti is except when you get mechanics it just feels bad and doesn't feel rewarding that you did something

and progging arti was wait till your seeds figured out how to do seeds

then you kill it

like nice

[onyx wind]

sure but the fight is kinda fun to play

[final star]

I was entrance seed

As outlaw

It was not a fun fight

It literally made me stop raiding

[pallid spear]

LEts talk about Uunat

thats a nice boss to talk about 🙂

[onyx wind]

imagine not quitting in 8.0

[pallid spear]

haha

[gentle gyro]

speaking of damage stops

i'm in a sire hc pug rn

boss transitioned when everyone still had 4 stacks

[icy crater]

lmao the hp nerf

what a joke

[onyx wind]

was so nice farming 3x shadowstrike traits to just have like

blizzard say no

then u go play assa

[icy crater]

sToP dAmAgE

[onyx wind]

blizzard say no

zul? no no

[icy crater]

sub always gets fucked

its pretty sad tbh

[onyx wind]

saddest part was

[willow isle]

Any tips how to open as a necro assa? With subterfuge

[onyx wind]

assa was really fun to play with Shrouded and exsang

[gentle gyro]

bonus points, there was a rogue in the group, outlaw

[onyx wind]

got rank1 in mythic back then

[gentle gyro]

and he flamed me for not doing enough dps in p1

[silent tinsel]

Outlaw was screwed hard with the launch of EN

[onyx wind]

b-b-but ilgynoth

[gentle gyro]

and i was the living incarnation of "?????????????????"

[onyx wind]

dude u have to pad in p1 if u want good logs

[icy crater]

its hard to pad, the adds die fucking instantly I swear

[onyx wind]

also almost like

every fight in this tier

as melee

logs dont matter

[icy crater]

mythic prob live a bit longer

[arctic juniper]

Why do you open with Mutilate instead of Ambush from stealth opener?

[icy crater]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[onyx wind]

inerva and sludge are like the only fights where logs are accurate

maybe shriek and huntsman but who cares abt those

[icy crater]

yeah when you get beams during bloodlust and on your 2nd 2 min cd pops when the adds spawn

fucking pog champion let me tell you

[onyx wind]

beams = ranged mechanic 😎

[icy crater]

I swear i raged so hard on reclear this week

because of that

[arctic juniper]

Why do you open with Mutilate instead of Ambush from stealth opener?

Ambush DMG is higher, no?

[icy crater]

are you blind?

[onyx wind]

Yes

its because of increaased proc chance on alacrity

and blindside if you run that

[keen tapir]

ambush big dam

[onyx wind]

ambush does more damage

its other factors that make mut better

[icy crater]

rerolled covs last night, hopefully blizz lets me get 30 by tuesday

[arctic juniper]

Oh okay so alacrity grants stackable haste.

[keen tapir]

going venth?

[onyx wind]

Yes, and the % proc chance depends on combo points

[icy crater]

ye, I was so fucking close to going necro

but decided venth

[onyx wind]

So getting a stack on the first SnD is a higher chance with mutilate

[keen tapir]

necro seems better if you want to do more than raid log

[arctic juniper]

Dmg between necro and venthyr is minimum, no?

[icy crater]

I thought it might pump in pvp, but u need burst from flag I think, on cleave its way better but maybe I just go outlaw for fights that have a lot of cleave

[keen tapir]

[onyx wind]

dmg between necro and venthyr is there

just very subjective

[icy crater]

and outlaw ST/burrs is pretty close

[onyx wind]

some people think 2% is a lot, some people think its not

[icy crater]

so I'm only losing sustained cleave really on outlaw, which I can live with

[onyx wind]

Yea its way better on cleave bosses such as:

[keen tapir]

fair point @icy crater

[onyx wind]

uhh

[icy crater]

remornia padding 😄

[slender urchin]

Doesn’t remornia share health with den

[onyx wind]

would be nice to see 2 target 5 min sims

instead of 3 and 5

[lofty shell]

which is why u wanna cleave remornia

[onyx wind]

since 2 is a lot more realistic

[icy crater]

necro still ahead

idk by how much tho

[onyx wind]

simming 3 target 5 minutes is basically as biased for necro

as simming 24 seconds for venthyr is

[slender urchin]

Three more largeish upgrades

Even bigger if my cursed box treats me to 226s

[limber lion]

At least for me it's 300 dps higher for Necro.

[gentle gyro]

TIL "stop damage" translates to "use your combust" in mage-speak

[heavy jolt]

is the master assassin opener on Ravenholdt correct? it feels weird to sit there for like 4 seconds to get energy for garrote.

Mutilate - Slice and Dice - Mutilate - Garrote - Rupture - Vendetta - Shiv - Vanish - Mutilate till 4+ combo points - Envenom

[late bolt]

Ye we also have this kind of mage in my guild

[onyx wind]

its good if u have lust

i usually vendetta earlier than that if i dont have lust

[icy crater]

DS or Vigor

[heavy jolt]

ah, we're working sludgefist so it seems slower. i have been using vendetta earlier

DS with 22% haste, necrolord

[icy crater]

gotcha

[onyx wind]

on sludge i do mut SnD mut vendetta garrote (flag) rupture shiv, pool for 80 energy then vanish mut env mut

but prob is different if ur not playing venthyr

[heavy jolt]

ok i'll give something like that a try tonight.

[onyx wind]

on sludge mythic**

with lust on 4th pillar

[heavy jolt]

yeah we're doing that too.

[onyx wind]

i shiv early aswell to make it line up for stomps before first pillar

[heavy jolt]

do you get a 2nd one in before first pillar or hold?

[onyx wind]

yea

let me check

[lofty shell]

don't you want to pool before casting shiv ?

[onyx wind]

i tried doing it and it seems worse

since ur shiv lines up worse for pillar

and stomps

[icy crater]

you also just lose shiv casts

over the fight

[onyx wind]

not really on mythic no

[lofty shell]

makes sense

[onyx wind]

but in general sure

[lofty shell]

but you lose potential value / shiv

[icy crater]

in general i meant

[lofty shell]

but i guess its not enough to lose like a full cp envenom in shiv window

[onyx wind]

you lose value of first shiv to get a lot more from 2nd and 3rd

3rd being pillar one

[lofty shell]

prob makes sense timing wise

ive only done hc sludge with assa like once

not even there on mythic so

[onyx wind]

hc and mythic are very different i think

in how you play them

[heavy jolt]

yeah we just started mythic so i am getting used to the timers. i was holding shiv but i'll just use it on CD more tonight

[humble leaf]

hey is the cov to go for any spec of rogue venthyr necro or does it not matter still?

[onyx wind]

only time you really hold it is for first stomp on after first pillar

atleast thats what i do

since if u cast it off CD u lose a lot to stomp

and it doesnt line up with 2nd pillar where u have CD's

[lofty shell]

lol i had that on sludge... shiv and then he stompts 🤮

felt bad

[onyx wind]

when you play that out 100 times, u start making changes XD

[lofty shell]

i think any cov but kyrian is pretty good atm

for any spec

[onyx wind]

u mean venthyr right?

[lofty shell]

all except kyrian is what i mean

[onyx wind]

oh i misread

[humble leaf]

sooooooooooooooo if i wanna get the most out of my sub rogue

what cov do i need to go now

[limber lion]

#subtlety

But probably Venthyr

[humble leaf]

is currently dead

[lofty shell]

not rlly sure for sub may also depend on pvp / pve focus

[humble leaf]

thank you though

[heavy jolt]

@onyx wind thanks for the info

[limber lion]

There's the pins

You can read the pins for relevant sims

[lofty shell]

ye prob venthyr until they change flag like they did for reverb (if pvp matters)

[humble leaf]

i like the consult the general alive people before past messages

[icy crater]

they already nerfed it in pvp no?

[lofty shell]

oh possibly

for questions about sub tho, fuu is probably one of the best sources of info

[icy crater]

fuu literally responded to him in sub

[limber lion]

So random folk of all skill levels instead of the theorycrafters that spend hours upon hours theorycrafting?

[icy crater]

XD

[lofty shell]

ye fuu responds to alot of questions

[lofty shell]

[spice spire]

All the TCs are homies in this discord tho

[worn pilot]

Hey guys so I’ve been playing sub since SL and switched to assassination on Sunday for the first time. Right now I’m averaging like ~60 parses. Is there someone that could check my logs and give me some pointers to improve on? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/55165672#spec=Assassination

[patent garden]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[humble leaf]

and im also just looking for a straight answer

[onyx wind]

^u want crit>=haste>vers>=mastery

vers falls off quite fast

[patent garden]

ty ^^

[mighty owl]

You want whatever the sims tell you

[onyx wind]

which is crit>=haste>vers>=mastery

[mighty owl]

Which varies depending on your current gear

[onyx wind]

which is why you want overall guidelines

so you dont gear for a stat such as vers

[lofty shell]

ye crit is actually pretty good for assa

need to get rid of my vers enchants and gems

[onyx wind]

(its the best)

but its also really hard to get a lot of crit

[lofty shell]

guess you want that 1 big crit neck

from SD?

[onyx wind]

Is there any fight u want specific help on?

or that u feel like u did well on

[spice spire]

Openers are minimal; however, I noticed (and assuming you’re running MA) on just a quick look.
You go Mut > SnD > Mut > Mut > Rupt then you go shiv > CD > Mut > envenom > vendetta

[worn pilot]

Probably darkvein or hungering would be the ones I thought I was doing it right but my parse still sucked.

[hollow escarp]

checked the Hungering kill, you want to cast sepsis before shiv so the explosion is in the shiv window. If you can make sure to vanish for MA talent buff while the explosion happens, that's even better

[onyx wind]

Well you arent venthyr so that makes it hard to compare logs

And also makes it hard to parse well

[spice spire]

So that’s a weird sequence at the end, you could have just been unlucky with the MA mut before rupture and while a loss, not huge. There at the end, I’d look at going Mut > sepsis > vendetta/shiv (vendetta doesn’t take a CD) into envenom

[hollow escarp]

you can parse with Sepsis

trust me

[onyx wind]

i didnt say impossible

just harder

[hollow escarp]

for sure

[onyx wind]

:P

[frosty bridge]

I dont think being venthyr makes it that hard to parse well lel

[limber lion]

NF is actually giga on Shriek/Sludge

[spice spire]

The sepsis explosion on pillar

[hollow escarp]

[limber lion]

And the on-demand mastery from Grove Invig

[hollow escarp]

also good on Sun King shield if you time it right

[limber lion]

That's how you get those juicy 50k+ Envenom's

[onyx wind]

I think your opener could use a lot of work

[worn pilot]

Ah I gotcha

[onyx wind]

Also you refresh bleeds in shiv sometimes, which isnt inherently that bad

just try to avoid it

and plan ahead

[lofty shell]

does pressing vendetta while stealth unstealth u?

[limber lion]

No

[onyx wind]

you cast rupture in shiv A LOT

[hollow escarp]

haven't tried it in a while so I couldn't even answer that lol

[spice spire]

I also forgot the garrote cast, so after your rupture you’d want to garrote > Mut > sepsis > Shiv/vendetta> envenom

[lofty shell]

jus twondering cuz AR does get u out of stealth lol

[spice spire]

That is indeed thicc damagé

[worn pilot]

So are you wanting to try and just envenom during shiv?

[limber lion]

Yeah, that's how you scare boys in bgs

[onyx wind]

Also more specifically in this fight

[limber lion]

You just put Vendetta on them but don't actually open

[hollow escarp]

yeah, get as many envenoms in the shiv window

[limber lion]

Just run ahead

[onyx wind]

U arent putting up bleeds on the adds

[limber lion]

He'll stop for 20s waiting for you to open

But you never do

[dull cloak]

isnt burrs still really good damagr in st

[spice spire]

Mind games with cool downs

[onyx wind]

unless u just had insane block RNG

but yea u pretty much wanna dot anything u can with bleeds

[lofty shell]

and then grab some CDR upgrade and do it again

[hollow escarp]

damn, it's so annoying to hold vendetta for a few seconds while dotting up the ads

[limber lion]

Yeh, wouldn't exactly recommend it but it's a thing you can do for sure

[worn pilot]

So for darkvein I was trying to bleed the big add and the boss. The other to adds seemed like they died to quick to be worth it?

[onyx wind]

its still worth it

maybe apart from first set

also depends a lot on group comp

didnt reclear as assa yet, so have yet to minmax a lot of fights

[hollow escarp]

the small adds die fast so you can throw a 3 cp rupture, but the big ad is worth dotting hard

[onyx wind]

but i was rupturing adds as sub so

i figure u also do it as assa

[hollow escarp]

for sure

it's free damage

just like traps on xymox

[onyx wind]

@worn pilot Also try to keep poisons up on the adds

otherwise ur bleeds are basically useless

[lofty shell]

depends if you got a good guild or not xD

[worn pilot]

Yea that was one thing I did figure out myself was to cast the aoe button. When the addds pop to apply poisons

[hollow escarp]

hey, some humans forget they already used thei racial

[onyx wind]

Cast mutilate instead

its a higher chance to apply poisons and deals more damage

[hollow escarp]

mutilate also leaves the doomblade bleed if you play the lego

[onyx wind]

how to parse on xymox = assign people to walk into traps and cleave them

and yes, people actually do this

[hollow escarp]

I got last night protal + ghosts 2 times in a row

I died because I used cloak on first ghost and couldn't run from 2nd ghost

and we wiped at 360k hp

[worn pilot]

Gotcha well thanks for the pointers guys! Hopefully I can start doing better. Sin has definitely been a big change from sub.

[dull cloak]

misplayed tbh, can always outrun ghost

[onyx wind]

btw ur ghost spawns behind u

[hollow escarp]

I know but ghost spawned after I placed portal and on the other side were the seeds

so the ghost spawned on the portal

[wild glacier]

Is there any way to macro ambush and mutilate together so i can ambush when getting a blindside proc and otherwise mutilate? I have them usually on keybind 1

[onyx wind]

rip

[spice spire]

Scooby doo-ing the ghosts next time

[hollow escarp]

that was worth the cloak, not first ghost

[spice spire]

!Bs

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[hollow escarp]

but I cloaked for damage so I can get another cloak later in the fight

[onyx wind]

i usually cloak first ghosts aswell

[upbeat umbra]

Can use a Shift mod macro but you cant just push one button and have it know what to do.

[hollow escarp]

same, you have to be unlucky to get 2 ghosts in a row

[onyx wind]

so, me

[hollow escarp]

well, me last night as well

pretty nice to be alliance, don't need to use cloak for traps

[lofty shell]

if you run a ton of humans 😛

[hollow escarp]

yeah, we have a bunch

and hunters on top of that

[lofty shell]

i generally clear traps with my first cloak

[onyx wind]

why are u doing DK mechanics?

bro?

[lofty shell]

unless they are all near ranged

idk cuz they're all slacking

[hollow escarp]

having DK's in raid, must be nice

that's the downside of playing alliance

[lofty shell]

not having dk's? 😛

[cold sparrow]

Hello, I am very new to Assa and I have a question on how the opener on 2 targets (e.g. Huntsman) looks like? Do you open with Garrote > Mut > SnD and then pretty much use Single Target Opener and Garrote on other Target when it is up again?

[hollow escarp]

small recruitment pool

[lofty shell]

ye true it's rreally big difference nowadays

[onyx wind]

depends a lot on what u play

do u play subterfuge or MA?

[cold sparrow]

true forgot to say, MA

and no crimson tempest

[onyx wind]

thats what i do aswell

just normal opener

then then u cast garrote and rupture first chance u get

on add

[hollow escarp]

I do normal opener, mut rupture the dog, vendetta and cds on huntsman, sneak a garrote(when cd is ready) on dog and continue on huntsman

[upbeat umbra]

You want to start with Mut first for the crit 4 combo points.

[hollow escarp]

then just maintain dots

[cold sparrow]

makes sense, thank you!

[hollow escarp]

but I have good tanks and I can play subterfuge

[cold sparrow]

And maybe one more question: Do I ever use Fan of Knives in that fight? Because I saw a top log and he used Fan of Knives, but I do not really understand why: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WDdj1NARnfQJpzhc#fight=4&type=damage-done&source=21 here

[odd flax]

do I sync every vendetta with flag at a 6 min fight? I saw the chart that was posted here, just couldn't find it sorry =]

[onyx wind]

fan of knives has more range

[gloomy fern]

either due to 4 targets with shades or to refresh poison on offtarget

[onyx wind]

and if ur at like 4 cp it might be better

[hollow escarp]

he probably had the debuff in last phase

so he did a fok

while running

as venthyr you can time that well so you have more uptime on boss

[upbeat umbra]

Might have been out of melee range of the OT and needed to refresh poisons.

[cold sparrow]

I see, thank you all for the answers!

[gloomy fern]

u just press cloak and it insta disappear u never move away from boss

[hollow escarp]

does it work like that?

[gloomy fern]

yes

[hollow escarp]

I assumed it drops it there if I cloak

[gloomy fern]

debuff gone no pool

[hollow escarp]

[candid jasper]

how far behind venthyr is necro? is it viable?

(raiding)

[onyx wind]

it mostly depends on how min/max u are

[misty holly]

Necro is amazing. Im able to shield myself at least 4 times on Denathrius to help healers out. I feel like the shield soak on phase 3 is a pretty big deal too.

[hollow escarp]

mechagnome venthyr

[misty holly]

Even if your 1% behind on dps thats not the only thing that helps progression

[hollow escarp]

fleshcraft is pretty nice now tbf

[civic knot]

how much dmg am i missing out for not getting full sockets?

[hollow escarp]

50 dps?

[civic trellis]

100ish dps

[onyx wind]

150 dps

[hollow escarp]

the main advantage on sockets is that you can customize your stats a bit more

[onyx wind]

from 0 to full sockets

[hollow escarp]

I usually swap crit haste for M+ and haste for raids

[civic knot]

cus im wondering how people get 7k sims,

[hollow escarp]

on what boss?

[spice spire]

Gear

[icy crater]

have good gear

[civic knot]

cus i got pretty nice gear, and i run droptimizer and the max upgrades i can get are like +70-+100 max

[celest ruin]

its per item so it adds up

per slot*

[spice spire]

218 with pretty shitty weapons and I’m at 6300 or so

[onyx wind]

7k dps = full sockets, 233 mainhand

pretty much

235 legendary and mostly 226 gear

phial

[civic trellis]

and with windfury

totem

[onyx wind]

true

[icy crater]

wft unethical