assassination

[hollow escarp]

afenar weak auras are bad for sub though

[gusty mirage]

Call me the poor bill gates

[cloud reef]

how many envenoms should you be pumping out in a shiv window?

[gusty mirage]

I should share my plater profile, some people might like it

[balmy condor]

as many as your energy allows

[gusty mirage]

but then I'd have to remove the 80-100% color change because breath of the dying is ded

[onyx wind]

atleast 1

[cloud reef]

sure but should you be pooling for 3 ideally

[severe steppe]

Penny gates because he's got no dollar bills

[cloud reef]

and maintain dots outside shiv window?

[gusty mirage]

si

[balmy condor]

no, you slam shiv on cd

[gusty mirage]

for the 2nd part

[cloud reef]

thats the core gameplay

[gusty mirage]

try not to reup bleeds during shiv or you'll be a sad panda

[cloud reef]

dots outside of shiv, shiv on cd and pump envenom

[balmy condor]

yep

[severe steppe]

You should have a WA that flashes your screen bright green and screams "IT'S TIME TO GO" when shiv is off CD

[hollow escarp]

[onyx wind]

try not to get into a situation where u need to do this**

[gusty mirage]

try not to be oxi

is what they're saying

[cloud reef]

Whispyr why is it such slow gameplay 😦

[severe steppe]

#outlaw

[cloud reef]

nah sub

[gusty mirage]

I just looked at logs, I wasted three PIs and got a 66 parse on destroyer cuz I'm a dummy

[severe steppe]

#subtlety

[balmy condor]

because that's what we like

[severe steppe]

I hate it

but I am a meta slut

If number go up I'm happy

[gusty mirage]

pretty sure outlaw's still good

[hollow escarp]

are you drunk?

[severe steppe]

not for ST

[gusty mirage]

outlaw's fine for ST

[hollow escarp]

[severe steppe]

Sorry outlaw "can" be fine for ST

[gusty mirage]

well compared to other classes assa is "fine" too

[hollow escarp]

idk, check the logs

[gusty mirage]

lol

true meta sluts rerolled fire mage or boomie sir

[severe steppe]

RTB tends to be a fickle muse

[gusty mirage]

YOU'RE HIDING SOMETHING

[hollow escarp]

I'm happy that I'm above my windwalker

[nova flax]

why dont ppl use shiv in assa

[gusty mirage]

they do

[severe steppe]

Yea I hate ranged

[gusty mirage]

it just doesn't show up on wcl

shiv is legit a dps cooldown you press on cd as assa

[severe steppe]

I only tried going ranged for 2 tiers in Legion because warlock was so strong and I hated myself every minute of it

[nova flax]

nah dont see it on logs ppl msut not use it

its comin off the bars

[hollow escarp]

and you hope it lands on good times on an enraged mob

[severe steppe]

It didn't help I named my warlock "gnameless" and it was a gnome

[hollow escarp]

aaah

wlgos doesn't show it

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

Ya know, I can't argue with that logic

[hollow escarp]

for some reason

[nova flax]

its alrdy off the bars

[gusty mirage]

Good man

[nova flax]

gotta make room for Detection

[gusty mirage]

report back your findings

DETECTION IS BEST DPS ABILITY IN GAME

[gusty mirage]

good man

you need it bound

tho

[severe steppe]

Half of my UI is just detection

[gusty mirage]

bind it to W

[hollow escarp]

that was my stealth button but I moved it to moise

[gusty mirage]

and A and S and D

[candid jasper]

How is sin doing with the buffs

[gusty mirage]

very good

[balmy condor]

remember when it actually was cause it increased proc rate on corruptions?

[gusty mirage]

I may or may not have abused it 👀

[hollow escarp]

[severe steppe]

Skulkers smh

Worst trinket in the game

[topaz saffron]

🤢

[limber lion]

You obviously haven't played with Sheet Music

[strange python]

That trinket almost killed me last night

[gusty mirage]

Sheet music was a lot of fun on pridefuls

[thin gate]

@severe steppe but u become a predator 😄

[severe steppe]

I can choose to not walk into my death with sheet music, skulkers doesn't give me a choice

[verbal knot]

you guys press flagellation on cd or wait to line it up with vendetta

[gusty mirage]

pretty sure I killed like 10 people collecting my dance partners

[severe steppe]

imagine hitting a trinket, and than a random amount of time later it YEETS you at a random target within range

[hollow escarp]

skulkers on Hungering was fun today

still the best I have

[gusty mirage]

I muscle memoried shift + 2 to grapple away on hungering and shadowstepped to the boss during consume

[candid jasper]

Is burrs still better than herbs for sin then?

5% haste buff seems nice

[severe steppe]

You just hit cloak and keep going?

[ionic kelp]

cd as long as you dont miss a cast, and of course pair it with vendetta for sludge

[gusty mirage]

absolutely, you full commit so it looks like it was calculated

[hollow escarp]

if herbs was on a path with another potency conduit

[severe steppe]

And then when they ask you to clear orbs you go "sorry it's not CD, must have been a fat finger"

but you're the top of the details and they aren't

[strange python]

I used Skulkers on shriekwing last night. Threw me into a sonic pluse.

[gusty mirage]

that's exactly what happened minus the "top" I was only 3rd cuz I messed up my rotation a bunch

[hollow escarp]

skulkers on council is fun

idk why I even played it today lol

on hc

[severe steppe]

I actually topped details last night in our mythic hungering, felt good considering I had only ever used assassination on a target dummy beforehand

[ionic kelp]

im surprised skulkers never killed me in our m council prog

[bright turret]

assassination being so slow and easy is the true beauty of it

[ionic kelp]

always expected to be yeeted into a dash

[lean fossil]

has anyone ran keys as venth?

[ebon bramble]

watch netflix + play assassination ez

[bright turret]

1 hour on a dummy to make sure WAs are working and you're good to go

[severe steppe]

Skulkers has killed me in every fight I used it on at least once during progression. It's a terrible trinket that deserves to be turned into crystals

[hollow escarp]

skulkers never pked me so far

[severe steppe]

Even in PvP it blows

[mossy crown]

Is it just me or am I feeling rage starved?

[hollow escarp]

but I lost some dps because it attacked some random bad target

[raven burrow]

How is doomblade simming so closely to ma and zol? Shouldnt the ae legs sim a lot better}

[severe steppe]

Get into arena, hit skulkers in your opener and you are yeeted at the other target because he walked into range

[mossy crown]

I have 22% haste

[shy dust]

At least once?

[shell ivy]

isnt skulker dead coz of MA nerfs?

[bright turret]

I can't imagine skulkers killing you except on maybe sludgefist, but it sure is fun when it goes after a pointless target

[shy dust]

I ran it for the entirety of prog

[gusty mirage]

skulker's should've been dead cuz its a dumb trinket tbh

[shy dust]

And I don’t think it once killed it

[hollow escarp]

it can still crit

[shell ivy]

fair

[hollow escarp]

not buffed by legendary

[gusty mirage]

you know how many times I skulker'd a warlock gate?

[severe steppe]

lol

[hollow escarp]

in pvp?

[gusty mirage]

yeah

[hollow escarp]

you don't play double pvp trinket?

I'm so squishy I can't afford it

[gusty mirage]

I tried the cheese once

then I put it back in the fridge

[severe steppe]

If you had a high ilvl dreadfire or skulkers it's better

[hollow escarp]

well, I haven't played pvp in 6 weeks

[severe steppe]

(before the nerf to MA)

[hollow escarp]

226 skulkers and 220 vessel here

[gusty mirage]

they gave the 220 vessel to a fucking BOOMKIN

[severe steppe]

Dreadfire heroic crits for nearly 10k in PvP, and its fire

[hollow escarp]

but I would expect fire damage to be better than physical

[gusty mirage]

and then we stopped reclearing heroic

[warped plank]

I'd like to know this before I craft any

[gusty mirage]

Doomblade > All in ST right now MA & Zol > Doom in m+

[hollow escarp]

my guild doing "parse" runs every reset day in the morning

easy gearing

joined them for the first time today

[severe steppe]

Outlaw >>>> Ass in M+ anyways

[gusty mirage]

Zold for Sire

[lean fossil]

so has anyone done keys as sin being venth?

[gusty mirage]

tell them to bring me too

I'll region change if I have to

[hollow escarp]

eu alliance?

[gusty mirage]

well I guess I'll faction AND region change

[hollow escarp]

when we did our hc run, there was nobody on my realm that did hc yet

like 2 hours after reset

[gusty mirage]

Tell them to sell it

ez profits

[hollow escarp]

meh

[floral moat]

best trinkets for overall raid encounters?

[hollow escarp]

phial

[severe steppe]

dreadfire and phial I think

[floral moat]

phial is the pf one right

[wise gull]

yep

[hollow escarp]

I disenchanted my 184 phial, need to make space for a new one

[severe steppe]

yes

[floral moat]

ight tyty <3

[molten beacon]

How do you feel assa on Raid hc ?

[wise gull]

220 phial is 50dps above my 220 dreadfire

i need it

[severe steppe]

imagine how much better 226 phial will be

[wise gull]

that's all i'll ever be able to do

imagine

[gusty mirage]

imagine not getting haste/mastery gear from your GV

[ebon bramble]

hmm i wish vendetta was aoe lol. kind of sucks our aoe burst is meh

[wise gull]

anyone know how to hide specific debuffs on plater?

[gusty mirage]

CT baseline, talent that buffs it in its place

and assa aoe will be a-okay

[hollow escarp]

I'm tempted to buy 1-2 Plaguefall keys with stacked group to trade me trinket

only 300k gold

[gusty mirage]

nah don't

[strange python]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[gusty mirage]

chances of it dropping are kinda shit

you're better off sniping lower plaguefalls and just farming valor to upgrade it

[hollow escarp]

probably

[ionic kelp]

easy to find +2 valor farm groups already too

[hollow escarp]

at this point it's a "long-term" project

I could take advantage and boost my alts

[gusty mirage]

no need

we're back in style baby

[hollow escarp]

my disc can heal a +5

[warped plank]

Am I right in thinking stats for shoulders and hands are the same?

[thin gate]

guys whats the venthyr soulbind BIS for ST?

[gusty mirage]

nadjia

[hollow escarp]

Nadia

[thin gate]

tyvm

[gusty mirage]

Should be yeah, crit/haste or haste/vers depending on whichever sims better for you (probably crit/haste with doomblade)

[warped plank]

Beaut thanks

[severe steppe]

definitely sim it

[gusty mirage]

Yeah its always best to top gear it and see for sure which is best

[severe steppe]

or you'll end up like me with 10 dps short of top gear

[gusty mirage]

Its okay you make up for it with charm & witty banter

[strange python]

Skulkers trinket. On sire, you can null the knockback.

[severe steppe]

[severe steppe]

You can also just shadowstep

[hollow escarp]

I actually did that once

[strange python]

Yes.

[severe steppe]

Also you can cloak it too

[hollow escarp]

shadowstep, skulkers, soulshape

[gusty mirage]

just door of shadows guys

[strange python]

I miss soul shape

[severe steppe]

I did this accidentally during a ravage and was just standing in the pizza slice with no knockback to help me, looking at my hands like where did I go wrong with my life

[ionic kelp]

door of shadows is fucking terrible compared to soulshape

[severe steppe]

yep

[ionic kelp]

kinda miss being nf for that sole reason

[gusty mirage]

door of shadows is fucking terrible compared to auto running too tbf

[hollow escarp]

you can do some nice shit with door of shadows as well

[strange python]

I done that too. Lol

[severe steppe]

I'm still NF for the moment

I'm going to miss that soulshape so badly

[unborn slate]

Would you guys recommend Doomblade for M+ or should I stick to Zod?

[gusty mirage]

stick to zold

[ionic kelp]

cant door of shadows p1 sire stacks

[hollow escarp]

[iron orchid]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/26#boss=2406&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination
When you are the one weird boi playing necro AND Zoldyck

[ionic kelp]

i wonder whats better door or soulshape in dos suicide run room

[gusty mirage]

soulshape

hands down

[severe steppe]

soulshape for sure...

[hollow escarp]

double door of shadows

[severe steppe]

What's even better is if you wait for your teammates to make it past one of the danger zones, and then shadowstep to them, and then do it again at the end

[gusty mirage]

^

sprint the first two

shadow step the last

ez

[ionic kelp]

door having two charges would be broken af

[gusty mirage]

it does as theotar

[severe steppe]

Yea, why put your life in danger, you're a rogue it's more important than anyone else

[sterile bane]

Imagine need a cast time

[severe steppe]

Having two charges to door is not broken, because it's a terrible fucking ability

[gusty mirage]

just the cast time is literally balls

[severe steppe]

Imagine having a blink that is only slightly faster than walking there but you have to commit to a location nearly 3 seconds before

Are we playing diablo 1?

[gusty mirage]

if we had the beta insta cast version it'd be solid tbh

[ionic kelp]

two tps + disorient for pvp

[strange python]

Does the disorient take players out of combat? PvP? Be a cool sap combo

[gusty mirage]

it'd be better to door dash after chain saps imo

[stoic needle]

my weakauras are programmed to highlight when they're in pandemic range dynamically based on the amount of CP i have

[severe steppe]

Holy shit that was like yesterday I sent that

You also missed my punchline where I said "ok google, set a timer for 22 seconds from now"

😦

[gusty mirage]

osh was too busy researching mastery

[outer lodge]

!opener

[stoic needle]

nop im doing boosties trying to afford my r4 leggo gloves

[candid token]

As a Venthyr Ass, what would a good amount of Haste be, or is that too subjective

[hollow escarp]

only 8 sin rogues on my realm

[gusty mirage]

SIR just come to a52

[severe steppe]

Use your credit card it's way faster

[gusty mirage]

I'll buy you the piece

lol

you can hang out on your tree mount outside of raid with me

[stoic needle]

yeah... nah. I don't want to give blizzard any more of my money

[gusty mirage]

and make an appearance on whispyr's stream

[thin gate]

guys what path do i go for @ nadija when hitting max renown?

[stoic needle]

id transfer to a52 rn but i dont want to have to transfer again if the guild i find isn't there

[severe steppe]

Imagine being horde

[gusty mirage]

DD tends to be better I think (one of the smarter people can confirm that) I've been too lazy to farm renown

[stoic needle]

imagine playing alliance

[fleet whale]

dauntless duelist is by far the better option

[stoic needle]

dauntless duelist in fights where you don't have to hard target swap

[severe steppe]

The objectively better racial side? yes pls

[stoic needle]

don't run dauntless on slg or council, for example

[fleet whale]

why wouldn't you use it on Council

[stoic needle]

or you're gonna feel like a dingus when kaal flies up into the air and you don't have a final soulbind trait for a few mins

[balmy condor]

slg I get

council is curious

[fleet whale]

council is mostly an ST target fight

[severe steppe]

Council is only a ST fight if you don't want to pad the meters

[stoic needle]

council depends, if your dps actually matters to killing the attendants or the stoneborn you'd get more mileage out of WPS

[fleet whale]

most people kill nik first

[stoic needle]

but if they just get blown tf up dd is fine

[wise gull]

not in mythic

[fleet whale]

so adds are pretty much a non issue

[severe steppe]

Why Nik First?

Stravos -> Nik -> Frieda

[wise gull]

pretty sure we aren't talking about H

F>S>N is standard

[odd flax]

what would be the opener when using MA and subterfuge at M+?

[stoic needle]

4x garotte ct mfd rup

[strange python]

What's the dps difference between DD and double potency

[wise gull]

1-2% afaik

[stoic needle]

it's a lot, like 80 last time i simmed it

[frosty bridge]

!bis

:(

[stoic needle]

[fleet whale]

when conduit levels get higher though, a second potency may beat it out

[frosty bridge]

Yeah im a smooth brain

[rustic thunder]

Sims are showing zoldyck being much worse than doomblade on ST - is that the case or are sims not taking the execute into consideration properly?

[balmy condor]

no it's because zold is weak single target

[wise gull]

should I be rupturing additional bosses on council for energy regen?

[balmy condor]

only garrote

[strange python]

I would

[wise gull]

ty whispyr

[stoic needle]

DD is best on anything where your target won't go immune for a long period of time or if a priority target comes up

[balmy condor]

rupturing the other bosses is a waste of cp

[celest rover]

its LFR, and huntsman, and 194ilvl, but im happy with it

[strange python]

Cool thx

[rustic thunder]

Pog

[quaint phoenix]

Huntsman feels very nice as assa now

[severe steppe]

but what about padding the meters?

[weary marten]

Guys what are the odds of Venthyr getting nerfed or not being good anymore in like 2 months ? I've sticked to kyrian until now, i don't wanna risk a covenant swap for nothing

[fleet whale]

not very high

[stoic needle]

[quaint phoenix]

Haha

[fleet whale]

if venth gets nerfed for anything, it will be for pvp

due to lashing

[severe steppe]

Yea I've heard it's quite good in PvP atm

[fleet whale]

and it would be a pvp only nerf

[weary marten]

so it's a safe bet even for 9.1 to switch venthyr you think ?

[fleet whale]

who knows what 9.1 will bring

considering all soulbinds will be expanded

[stoic needle]

inb4 kyrian is back to best because of some cracked out 9.1 system

[weary marten]

that's what i'm worried about, i don't wanna switch again in 2 or 3 months

[balmy condor]

I mean if you want to pad details meters, you would play it like 3 target sustained, bleed everything and run EP/subt/CT, but you'll look like shit on logs

[fleet whale]

i mean, it's not really punishing to swap covenants imo

[stoic needle]

why not? you don't lose anything

[fleet whale]

the two quests you do can be done in like an hour

[stoic needle]

you can complete the switching quest in a few days if you really want to

[severe steppe]

I'm debating sticking with NF until 9.1 just because it's not that far away (probably), which could bring about even grander changes

and NF is not really that significantly less*

[fleet whale]

9.1 will be june earliest

[cloud dune]

does the dot from doomblade just refresh when you muti while it's up, or does the remaining damage get added to the new dot?

[balmy condor]

people thinking we don't have 3 months of 9.0.5

[stoic needle]

[severe steppe]

3months is nothing

[weary marten]

My time ? Cuz that's not how i see the game to farm renoun again and again

[fleet whale]

i'm thinking more mid july for 9.1

[stoic needle]

you get renown by just playing the game though

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/daddys-home2-daddys-home2gifs-stop-it-stop-that-i-mean-it-gif-9694318

[ionic kelp]

its not like ur cov matters if you dont play at the highest levle possible

[stoic needle]

you don't have to go out of your way to farm renown, especially since all of the relevant soulbinds are unlocked before renown 40

all you get past that is cosmetic stuff

[strange python]

Except for necrolord warrior. Before the patch

[weary marten]

i like venthyr since the beginning, spell was just not good

[fleet whale]

i think you get a stam buff somewhere in there

[severe steppe]

@balmy condor when are you going to make Shadowblades role?

[stoic needle]

the main point is that you can get renown just by running keys, raiding, pvping, doing callings

[cloud dune]

does the dot from doomblade just refresh when you muti while it's up, or does the remaining damage get added to the new dot?

[stoic needle]

you don't have to brute force it until you don't enjoy the game

[grim hawk]

this is probably a stupid question but we can finish at 4 combo points right?

[balmy condor]

get added similar to ignite

[balmy condor]

max - 1

[cloud dune]

thanks

[fleet whale]

yeah if you run vigor you finish at 4

ds you can finish at 5

[grim hawk]

oh thanks

cuz it seems like my every envenom is 4 cps D:

[quiet juniper]

what gives more stats for doomblade lego : shoulder or wrist ?

[balmy condor]

@shrewd night would never allow me to be on the same level, he enjoys stepping on me

[strange python]

Did anyone see how much doomblade dmg does to the shades on huntsman? Its hilarious.

[balmy condor]

yeh WCL reporting bugged numbers :P

[severe steppe]

😏

[gusty mirage]

@strange python Not enough, NEEDS MORE

[strange python]

Ha ha

[grim hawk]

another quick question, when at 4 cp's do u finish and THEN blindside ambush or before? cuz its 1 cp wasted right?

[balmy condor]

finish on 4 with vigor

[cloud dune]

check pins. shoulders have more stats, but you put them on hands because reasons

[grim hawk]

aight thanks a lot

u work hard whispyr damn

[weary marten]

it's shoulder or hands. And i heard hands cuz shoulders on generals

[gusty mirage]

Whispyr's the hardest worker at helping us smoothbrains that I know

[balmy condor]

I haven't done shit today

[quiet juniper]

yea I just checked pins, should have deleted

[grim hawk]

u've been here answering ''does assa use daggers'' for hours

[gusty mirage]

months*

[quiet juniper]

what about stats, is that still haste/versa ?

[balmy condor]

many hours

[gusty mirage]

crit/haste or haste vers, sim to make sure whats best for you 🙂

[quiet juniper]

what could be best for pve/pvp content ?

and I can't sim I have 167 ilv

[cloud dune]

but do they?

[gusty mirage]

haste/vers probably then

[grim hawk]

im not quite sure myself

[gusty mirage]

Only if you're not memeing in 8.2 w/ double divers follies w/ meme beam

[ebon bramble]

has anyone tried assassination in m+

[loud niche]

yes

[grim hawk]

probably yes

[cloud dune]

@gusty mirage I have no idea what that means, but meme is life

[ebon bramble]

what are your thoughts on it?

[loud niche]

tyr week so i went raid spec, did 5.2k avg with my tank moving at a snail's pace

[ebon bramble]

i assume it's viable but not up to par with outlaw?

[gusty mirage]

Diver's folly from behemoth had a hilarious interaction w/ the azerite beam essence and I gave it a couple tries as assa lol

[loud niche]

i mean, on bosses i was top by far, but obviously i suffered heavily in aoe vs a fury warr and a mm hunter

[gusty mirage]

FoK as your only Builder

[cloud dune]

I like to pretend 8.- never happened

[gusty mirage]

that was the height of my wow career minus progging on heroic arthas 25man, I have no option but to accept it

[ebon bramble]

🤔 damn cant keep up with them hunters

[cloud dune]

the height of my career was back in Cata

[loud niche]

i was the top dps overall at end of dungeon by .1k dps

[quiet juniper]

is there a particuliar talent build for necro in dungeon or I can do the icy veins one ?

[gusty mirage]

Top is top

[stoic needle]

i got ksm as sin

[stoic needle]

this is correct basically

[loud niche]

same. nobody likes me tho

[plush ferry]

I was popping off so well on first 3 mythic bosses my mage paid priest in secret to give him pi, he couldn't handle being behind meme spec

[gusty mirage]

not true, I like you

[subtle tundra]

selling PI is a legit gold making strat 😉

[cloud dune]

selling raid buffs is scummy

[ebon bramble]

lol

assassination aoe is surprisingly decent

[uneven hamlet]

is it worth pressing shiv rn ? some logs i see no one's using it

[gusty mirage]

I'd sell tf out of any raid buff I can

[ebon bramble]

as long as mobs live long enough LOL

[stoic needle]

this is why i wish they would give us a raid crit buff

[gusty mirage]

doesn't show up on logs, yes you press it

[balmy condor]

you have to go through damage done, not casts, blizzard can't code a fucking combat log worth a shit

[stoic needle]

WTS 99% PARSE 10K/PULL PM ME

[loud niche]

lol

[ebon bramble]

lol WW monk discord and forums going ape shit with logs

[plush ferry]

for real tho, venthyr after changes feels soooo gooood

[cloud dune]

I'ma start going focus magic on my mage to make some $$

[subtle tundra]

our priest

[plush ferry]

LMAO, I changed mine to "GIVE PI PLS"

[slow marsh]

I paid a priest 5 gold and got pi next pull

Speaking of which. Do we have updated numbers on the dps gain pi gives us vs other classes

[limber lion]

I told a priest that I would give him 10k for a PI. He did give me PI for that kill.
But little did he know, he was from a different realm so I couldn't even trade him

[crimson palm]

is it still fine to overcap cps with tb

[limber lion]

Not recommended, but it's not the end of the world

[ebon bramble]

if only flagellation was aoe 🤔

[limber lion]

Probs better using shiv at 4-5 cp instead of using envenom first and then using Shiv.

Especially if you're using Doomblade whenever you get to level 60 :--)

[fading mason]

are we acctualy holding flagration to pair it with vendetta ?

[limber lion]

If you don't miss a cast, then sure

On a 2.5 min fight? Sure

On a 3.5 min fight? Nah

If you're not 100% sure, just use it on cd

[fading mason]

ok thanks

[raven hollow]

So since Doomblade is simming highest atm, is it worth running CT on ST for the extra bleed?

[limber lion]

No

Had someone ask if using Internal Bleeding would be worth in raid earlier as well

[celest rover]

big dam

[raven hollow]

Does that bleed even apply on raid targets

[limber lion]

You cannot stun raid bosses

[balmy condor]

had someone in chat yesterday say that I should run internal for when I stun stuff for doomblade

and like

sure

[celest ruin]

if you believe hard enough you can stun bosses

[balmy condor]

but not really

[plush ferry]

someone was asking if warrior/feral bleeds buff doomblade dmg

[limber lion]

Yeah

[quaint phoenix]

@limber lion i can't?

[limber lion]

If you're ever in that situation where you have to stun something, then sure

[quaint phoenix]

Now im said

[limber lion]

But using Kidney = DPS loss

[balmy condor]

remember that as well

[celest rover]

how far behin blindside is MP?

[limber lion]

Next time you pull Shriekwing, you can try stunning it with Kidney.

:----)

[balmy condor]

like 2%

if you don't like blindside, you would run EP

[iron vigil]

When should i be using sin?

Shiv

[balmy condor]

on cd

[plush ferry]

just do it 2s before pull timer, when he doesn't expect the stun!

[quaint phoenix]

I will do a guide on how to stun a raid boss

[crimson palm]

the optimal opener is mfd -> kidney -> poisoned knife

[limber lion]

Yeh, make sure to pre-pull as well so all of the dps fall in love with you

[crimson palm]

with internal bleeding and doomblade

obviously

[limber lion]

🤢

[quaint phoenix]

Haha will pull with kidney

[boreal vale]

is there still the bug that when i finish weekly renown q, i cant get renown for this id ?

[honest lake]

LFR drop renown?

[iron vigil]

Yes Cronous

[visual stratus]

Probably one of the easiest ways of farming it imo

[vivid tulip]

I just wanna say that sin rocks in CN atm

[honest lake]

I am just unlucky i guess

9 boss no renown

renown 27

[quaint phoenix]

We are all happy about that

[ebon bramble]

nerf inc

hotfixed next week

[quaint phoenix]

Nah

[ebon bramble]

here's to hoping they buff our aoe so we can be meta in m+ mwahahha

[quaint phoenix]

aoe is fine imo

Not too shabby

Averaging around 6k

[ebon bramble]

i want fire mage levels aoe ok?

[torn atlas]

The one thing I miss about Sub in keys is blasting big pull AoE for bugger all effort.

[buoyant mauve]

pressing snd just once per fight feels real nice

[eternal wave]

So for those who've dipped into Castle with Flag now, how does it actually feel?

Screw the numbers, just playstyle/flow/impact wise of using the button

[torn atlas]

Now I gotta run around dotting anything that moves and it's fun but way more involved.

[shy dust]

Sin is as boring as ever

If not more boring with deeper

[buoyant mauve]

so much haste that I just gotta spam mut and envenom as to not overcap

[balmy condor]

I agree

[eternal wave]

I can appreciate Sin tbh though prefer Outlaw generally for everything

[balmy condor]

I think it still plays fine

but getting rid of snd

fuck it's dry

[eternal wave]

Yah I still remember progressing Throne of Thunder

Mut > Env > Mut > Env > Mut > Env repeat

[ebon bramble]

37 APM rotation 😬

[ionic kelp]

sin will always be boring until we have an ungodly amount haste but atleast it does big dam now

[balmy condor]

that sounds fake

[buoyant mauve]

you know what's dry? doing m+ as sub and pressing 2 buttons, this feels amazing in comparison

[dark marten]

Thanks for the updated sims @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

they're not updated updated :P

[balmy condor]

true

[ebon bramble]

is it not 37 anymore? is it higher? 😮

[eternal wave]

How does it compare to Kingsbane from Legion? I know they're far from the same ability but in terms of how you behave during Flag

[balmy condor]

it was never 37

[eternal wave]

Sorry for the questions but really want some insight to just the "smoothness"

[shell ivy]

doomblade is on shoulder with haste vers yeah?

[eternal wave]

Should've played more PTR

[shy dust]

Specs are probably boring when you do the rotation wrong

[shell ivy]

just for confirm

[shy dust]

Gloves

[dark marten]

Is there going to be another update on those sims? 🙂

[ebon bramble]

i just want mor ehaste for higher apm but not too much apm LOL

[forest swallow]

do i do higher ilvl dagger in offhand with or without sinful reev

[shell ivy]

arent the pins saying shoulders?

[balmy condor]

venthyr with vigor and some decent haste is like 55+

[shy dust]

According to what

[shy dust]

Does apm tracker

[balmy condor]

u fucking wot

[shy dust]

By raidbots

[shell ivy]

wait

[halcyon zealot]

whispyr r u nf?

[shy dust]

Not accurate

[lament mica]

no

[shell ivy]

XD fuck

read it wrong

[balmy condor]

what?

[shy dust]

Sin with vigor is 55 apm?

[balmy condor]

with venthyr and like 20% haste yes

[shy dust]

Does the raidbots link give accurate apm measurements

[balmy condor]

yes

[shy dust]

How is it 55 then

[shell ivy]

do you go haste vers or crit haste for the legendary?

[shy dust]

That’s with vigor and venthyr

[torn atlas]

I ran DS (venth) last night for HC Sire and it actually didn't feel as terrible as I was expecting.

[ebon bramble]

o damn nice

[balmy condor]

and blindside?

[shy dust]

Yes

[balmy condor]

nani the fuck

why am I thinking 55

[shy dust]

How can you be off

Nearly 7 apm

[torn atlas]

But I think mechanics help buffer the downtime.

[shy dust]

LOL

[balmy condor]

idk

what was I looking at

hold on

[shy dust]

Vigor doesnt even add much

It’s like 46

With deeper

[balmy condor]

oh

I was looking at 2 target

[shy dust]

...

Why do I trust you

[ebon bramble]

lol

[balmy condor]

[buoyant mauve]

the only time ds feels bad for me is at the pull whenever I don't have anything going and have to wait a little in between, but once it starts going? 🤌

[balmy condor]

sorry im <redacted>

[balmy condor]

yeh the opener is mega shit

[bright turret]

If I'm playing DS, shiv is about to fall off, and I have 4 CPs but not enough energy to muti and envenom, should I just envenom?

[balmy condor]

I envenom personally, but I can't say if that's correct

[young pebble]

I'm having difficulty adjusting my elvui nameplates that allow me to more easily see garrote and rupture timers on them so I can better DoT cleave. Any suggestions for making those timers easier to see?

[balmy condor]

logically speaking it seems to be fine

[bright turret]

It "feels" like it'd be correct cause of how swole shiv is, but figured I'd ask

[balmy condor]

cause envenom gains a linear amount of damage per combo point

[buoyant mauve]

I've been doing m>snd>m>rup>ven>garrote>shiv>flag>m?vanish

[balmy condor]

so a 4->6 cp envenom you're only getting more efficient with energy

[upbeat umbra]

Should I be trying to pandemic refresh env now or just mash it?

[balmy condor]

but I feel like that isn't better than hitting it in shiv

[balmy condor]

always should be trying to max out the uptime

[limber lion]

My best crit with Envenom on Sludge was a 32,977 but in 9.0 it was 51,570 😦

But

[upbeat umbra]

copy ty

[limber lion]

My Flag did 80k damage compared to Sepsis 18k

Lmao

[balmy condor]

hopefully with a garrote in there

[stoic needle]

holy shit these doomblade crits

[buoyant mauve]

it was the 6th thing

[balmy condor]

oh

I'm blind

uh

that's a weird spot for it

[limber lion]

Actually nevermind wtf, my Sepsis did 68k + 25k.

I'm switching back to NF, later boys

[balmy condor]

mut gar rup

if anything

[dawn ivy]

nf will probably do more dmg than flag up front as you're getting a big haste buff from flag as well

[buoyant mauve]

normally I'd put it before the rup but the time I spend waiting for energy to pool to use after the 2nd mut makes me feel like it'd be best to have rup ticking in the time as well as using the energy from ven to use it faster

[ionic kelp]

i do mut rup mut gar snd ven flag shiv vanish mut env. feels good enough with ds

[limber lion]

Have you tried Mut - rup - mut - gar - vend - flag - snd ?

That way you get your bleeds rolling a bit faster.

[strange python]

guess u take venth cuz haste buff and the 3% dmg buff on the target

[balmy condor]

can't confirm that it's a gain

[drifting light]

is this trinket a real thing or some sim bait?

[limber lion]

Might not be, but at least it FEELS good.

[dawn ivy]

IQD

pepelaugh

[slender berry]

the cube youre using is not a real thing

[strange python]

i usually use m>snd>m>gar>flag>rup as opener

[balmy condor]

imagine still complaining about cube

[limber lion]

I just want a phial :''(

[hollow seal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dYWgHAyxKhqztC3Q#fight=9&type=damage-done

Kinda liking assa this patch tbh

[tulip trout]

yo Quick question

[teal stratus]

damn dude 7k nice

[dense hamlet]

its tooltip literally says: ??? what more do u expect

[tulip trout]

how come sims say to Mutilate outta stealth on opener rather than Ambush?

[limber lion]

Ambush bad, Mutilate good

[tulip trout]

I see

[strange python]

ambush is dog if u complain energy cost to cp and dmg with muti

[limber lion]

Mutilate = more combo points, more poison procs

Ambush = less combo points, slightly more damage

[strange python]

ambush is just a bait, only use it on procc cuz free and execute ist nice 2 have anyway

[ebon bramble]

i think you get more combo points?

[dark marten]

You only use ambush when blindside procs right?

[lament mica]

yes

[limber lion]

???

[strange python]

ye

[tulip trout]

Right Ambush wont take advantage of our passive correct?

[ebon bramble]

from mutilate over ambush

[lament mica]

yes

[limber lion]

Yeh, like I said a minute before you

But yeah

[ebon bramble]

lol ya XD

[tulip trout]

ok that makes a lot more sense now

[limber lion]

No it does

But

Mutilate attacks with both hands, Ambush doesn't

[lament mica]

mut is some nutty CP gen

[limber lion]

You get 2 combo points from both, but with Mutilate you have a chance to get 3/4 combo points whereas with Ambush you only have a chance to get 3

[tulip trout]

ok

[stiff mountain]

wats best for doomblade? shoulder or hands?

[teal stratus]

hands

[strange python]

hands

[stiff mountain]

ok

[teal stratus]

so we want about 20% haste before going for crit yea?

[edgy cosmos]

fastest way to get renown?

[stiff mountain]

and what stats?

[limber lion]

Raids. LFR/Normal/Heroic

[stiff mountain]

ahste./vers?

[limber lion]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[crystal barn]

hey guys - regarding massacre lines in denathrius, does cloak work to immune?

[teal stratus]

well yeah but is there a point where we dont want more haste over crit? I undesrtand using raidbots, but just general rule of thumb

[edgy cosmos]

im simming better with haste crit

is there a reason behind the vers

[teal stratus]

^

[dawn ivy]

vers is just good

[stoic needle]

there is no general rule of thumb because that point will be different for every person

[ionic kelp]

ya its shadow damage

[stoic needle]

so just sim

[dawn ivy]

they did a good job this expac of making vers not an awful stat for some specs

[strange python]

i can recommend a 1:1 balance between crit and haste. feels smooth for me and is way more fun in my opinion

So pins says rotation hasn't changed but doesn't mention anything about optimal timing on when to use flag in the opener. Use off the start or line it up with vendetta?

[teal stratus]

word thanks man

[balmy condor]

with vend

[stoic needle]

man doomblade sin is absolutely blasting

[subtle tundra]

it doesnt on mythic

[teal stratus]

dude i thought i had enough soul ash to get a 235 doomblade, im off by 20

fml

[shy dust]

Mission table if you HAVENT yet

[ebon bramble]

deciding between dashing and doomblade 🤔

[teal stratus]

yeah im legit waiting for it haha

[slow marsh]

I'm at 19% and crit is simming higher across the board

[teal stratus]

well for a mission to pop up

[quiet juniper]

does any one of you guys have a clip of a well stuffed assa showing the damage of a venthyr window ?

[limber lion]

Not a single assa rogue in any of the top 10 mythic or heroic kills. 😦

[stoic needle]

soon(tm)

[slow marsh]

Soon indeed

[subtle tundra]

as of when?

[ebon bramble]

doomblade > dashing i guess?

[slow marsh]

Yes

[limber lion]

wut

[subtle tundra]

like 9.0 or 905

[bright turret]

Ass is a very strong melee spec now, but ranged are still our lords

[slow marsh]

Wait until after this weekend at least

[limber lion]

Currently. Not that there were any in 9.0 either.

[slow marsh]

Sin is #1 ST melee spec since enhance are refusing to go the feels bad night fae build

[bright turret]

annoying that melee needs WFT to maximize but ranged has nothing similar

[strange python]

when i checked assa rog in 9.0 i saw a SLG Mythic log where was a 227 rog that had a 100log, but he did less dmg than a druid with 10 ilvl less - this druid has a log from 9. probably thats the reason u cant find much assa rogs in lists cuz they were till this patch ass

[slow marsh]

Ranged has DH buff wym

[bright turret]

? Monk is the version of that

[shy dust]

I mean

SLG mythic

[slow marsh]

No WW is physical

[shy dust]

Is one of the worst fights for sin

It’s aoe

Burst aoe generally

[bright turret]

Dh is magic monk is physical

[strange python]

y ik, buts a meme

[bright turret]

Nothing like WFT

[shy dust]

There is also times where the targets are spread out

[ionic kelp]

only on p3

[shy dust]

Comparing moonkin is not the best thing

[ebon bramble]

blizz should give assassins burst aoe

[halcyon zealot]

it’s probably way too early to tell, but is the difference between doom blade and zoldyck on M Denath going to be marginal or substantial?

[slow marsh]

The point is ranged (mages boomies) need DH buff to maximize

[limber lion]

I'm progressing on it. I'm an Assa main since Legion. I'm forced to play Outlaw.

[ebon bramble]

zoldyck likely to be best considering for sire, p3 is the hardest no?

[limber lion]

It's a shit fight for Assa, what can we do

[strange python]

depends on the fight. if your raid needs the dmg in the execute phase go zodyak

[limber lion]

I might do a sneaky switch up when we get to last phase consistently

[halcyon zealot]

yeah ik it’ll be best, just not sure by how much

[bright turret]

ranged need int and DH, melee need AP and monk in general

[limber lion]

Because Assa is dank for the last execute

[bright turret]

WFT is a extra buff melee need

Maybe Blizz viewed PI like that, but that can go on anyone

[slow marsh]

I mean I guess. Regardless it's not necessarily big gains for us anyways

[limber lion]

LOL

[bright turret]

Yea WFT isn't huge, just pointing out its an extra buff to max melee dps

while ranged have nothing similar

[limber lion]

Are you boys high

[lilac sparrow]

I saw cttc give 3s SnD per bubble but it give 3s per cast :(

[strange python]

Anyone know if u still get renown from raid bosses if you've already cleared lfr for the week?

[slow marsh]

True true

[shy dust]

Why wouldn’t you go zoldyck for sire

[strange python]

Like if I do harder difficulties

[shy dust]

P1 is a meme

[rich raft]

hey guys, if i have 21.7 Haste, should i play deepr strat, or stick with Vigor, im NF BTW

[shy dust]

P2 is also a meme

[strange python]

no u dont get anymore. but u can go like normal or heroic for farm more

[slow marsh]

I mean idgaf either way my raid has an enhance shammy as part of core group so I could care less

[shy dust]

P3 is the only challenging part

[gusty mirage]

whatever sims better for you

[bright turret]

blessed raid

[reef axle]

sim it, sims higher for me but i really dont like it

[bright turret]

it's amusing that enhance is rare enough that WFT has buff count like PI

[strange python]

ds playstyle is in my opinien rly clunky and doesnt feel nice

[slow marsh]

I just know he was complaining about losing so much dps to play something that feels better

[tender fjord]

Anyone else tried Doomblade in keys and really liked it?

[strange python]

well but that attituede isnt the best for progress i guess. i mean we have an enhancer aswell in our raid and i love it lul

[limber lion]

That's because WFT is literally like 200 dps increase

[slow marsh]

I have and I prefer zold

[tender fjord]

Was kinda carrying on prides

[limber lion]

It's on similar levels as PI

Ya'll don't give WFT enough credit

Or maybe 200 dps isn't enough to care about

[tender fjord]

Zoldy is sweet but aoe isn’t our strong suit anyway

What’s wft?

[limber lion]

Windufry Totem

[slow marsh]

I agree but I mean I'm not gonna sit and argue about it because Im gonna get it regardless. Like the guy is a forever guildie and has always played enhance

You already carry prides though with vendetta

[tender fjord]

I haven’t seen a enhancement shammy in ages tbh

[tender fjord]

That’s true

[slow marsh]

I guess it depends on if you play with a premade or pug. When I am running with mage and hunter premade I'm gonna take full ST build

Which would mean doomblade

[strange python]

well and when he plays his enhance well its fine. imagine affliction would do 3times more dmg than rog, if u would see me on wl u would think that wl needs a buff cuz i slack on ranges

[tender fjord]

Aight that was exactly what I was doing 🙂

Fire mage also pops on prides when necessary

[teal geyser]

guys... is there a way so bind blindside proccs to the same button as mutilate ? i mean, when iam in stealth its switching so i have it on the same keybind ... but when i have a blindside procc i have to press another one -.- thats annoying xD

[slow marsh]

Yeah for pugs def zold cuz it's safe but in a group if you're calling cds and pulling accordingly then you're fine to go full ST and focus the prio targets. Esp on tyrannical

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[balmy condor]

!bs

[tender fjord]

Was really enjoying it

[indigo mulch]

o0

[teal geyser]

thx whispyr

[indigo mulch]

Do people really need that though?

[limber lion]

Some do.

[indigo mulch]

An addon for ambush procs o0

[limber lion]

It's definitely not recommended.

But it's whatever

[slow marsh]

It's kind of the boat some wars are in right now with Necro. Our dps war just swapped Necro from venthyr for the mastery buffs

[thorn dove]

does it matter on opener which order i pop dreadfire vessel?

[limber lion]

Not really.

[strange python]

i would use it if u play master assasin in talents using it with 50% crit buff

[limber lion]

This is misinformation and it does NOT work like this.

Master Assassin does not give any benefit to trinkets.

[strange python]

oh ok sry, for me it feels like it would work

[icy crater]

I use trinkets during vendetta

[thorn dove]

ok thanks all

[thin gate]

doesnt vendetta also just affect ur Spells / Auto attacks and no trinkets?

[ebon bramble]

damn kind of want to see some high end m+ keys but most streamers are outlaw

[icy crater]

I think you're right actually.

[dark token]

nice to see us doing well even when most people arent max renown venthyr or with big haste gear

[raven hollow]

Wow Kyrian is that far behind for Sin? That sucks for me

[dark token]

https://i.imgur.com/QmzHKAW.png

m hungering

[ebon bramble]

seems weak

#3. trash

[thin gate]

better nerf chill streak

[strange python]

for a range favored boss thats insane

[icy crater]

you can get near 100% uptime as rogue

[teal geyser]

which boss is this ?

[ionic kelp]

did feral get any .5 changes?

[tribal marlin]

we're looking not bad on boss damage

[thin gate]

@teal geyser Hungering Destroyer M

[tribal marlin]

https://i.imgur.com/cSwTTnd.png

but meh

It will not be enough

[dark token]

no they have always been top singletarget melee in the game this patch @ionic kelp

[strange python]

how u wanna get 100% uptime if u cant stay at the boss for 5seconds all 2minutes?

[torpid linden]

what leggo should i craft for m+ as sin?

[slow marsh]

We are trash. Buffz plz

[tribal marlin]

Also there is few parses yet

[slow marsh]

Zold

[ebon bramble]

trash spec

[icy crater]

soak your orbs and cloak consume

[ionic kelp]

still not bad for sin to be up there since people dont have optimal gear + rotation down + not a lot of parses

[dark token]

it wont be enough when unholy is higher dps and 10x more raid utility

[thin gate]

Zoldyack + Necro for Cleave/m+ as much as i know and Doomblade+Venthyr ST

[dark token]

but i think venthyr sin with zoldyck would see play rn in world first race if this was the patch it was on

[tribal marlin]

technically uh is not higher dps, but their damage pattern is better for CN

[dark token]

pretty sure we are now the top execute in the game

[strange python]

has there been a shadow nerf to flag

[tribal marlin]

Zoldyck is not "that much" ahead of Doomblade in execute range

sadly

[icy crater]

This is tragic tbh

[ebon bramble]

tragic

[dark token]

flag was hotfixed for sub pvp

[tribal marlin]

yes it is

[strange python]

is that ll

just the SB >

[strange python]

was needed

[fleet whale]

i mean why is it tragic

[dark token]

yeah

flag was doing like 20k dmg

lmfao

[thin gate]

if we ever get that 2nd legendary zoldyack + doomblade gonna be sick tho

[ebon bramble]

do you think they'll allow double legendary

[tribal marlin]

Like if you sim over 3mn with boss starting health 40% with lust at 40% and 1st vendetta at 40%, then Doomblade and Zoldyck are equal

[ebon bramble]

fire mages with 35% crit damage modifiers LOL

[dark token]

yeah in 9.2 or 9.3

[ebon bramble]

dual legendary

[tribal marlin]

Zoldyck pulls ahead if you lust at 30% insteed and Vendetta at 30% (or easier : start fight at 30%)

[thin gate]

• T set with the Ink Poison kekw

[dark token]

aka sire

[strange python]

should i hold shive for vendetta

[tribal marlin]

You don't lust at 30% in sire

[strange python]

shiv

[ionic kelp]

sire is 40 no

[tribal marlin]

you either lust at 40% or lust at 20%

[strange python]

anyway

?

[thin gate]

hold vendetta vor vanish hold shiv for vendetta

[minor bronze]

I play Outlaw and want to make a set for assassination, what stats should I put on the doomblade legendary?

[thin gate]

@minor bronze Sim

[restive bluff]

why mine is different than yours? 😄

[tribal marlin]

yours is not boss damage

[fleet whale]

mik is using boss damage

[brittle pawn]

Normalized scores are weird

[strange python]

depends on your stats, i have crit haste

[tribal marlin]

it's overall damage scuffed by SLG and Sire mostly

[fleet whale]

which is if you are raiding as sin, is gonna be the thing you are looking at

[tribal marlin]

but if you look at overall damage boss per boss, except for SLG we're not bad, not at all actually

[fleet whale]

plus it's one day of logs

sin will likely climb as days go by

[dark token]

yeah SLG singlehandedly fucks feral/sin

[strange python]

ty thats really helpful

[dark token]

they are much better than they appear

[thin gate]

@tribal marlin isnt necrolord for CN Actually better? like for Huntsman Council SLG Sire

[outer lodge]

Any consensus on venth opener? See alot of different openers floating around?

[dark token]

mut snd mut garrote flag rupture vendetta shiv

[plucky flume]

Is there a list out there anywhere of cool uses of cloak or other rogue things to cheese mechanics or improve dps?

[thin gate]

Venth opener Mutilate-Slicndice-Muti-Garrote-Rupture-Vendetta-Flag-Shiv-Muti-Vanish(Master assassin) Envenom -> repeat Envenom cycle -> Refresh bleedings

[dark token]

this is wrong, you flag before rupture because it procs off combo points spent

[strange python]

do you muti from stealth

[dark token]

ye

[thin gate]

@dark token aight whispyr trolled me

[dark token]

its for doomblade proc

[strange python]

why not ambush

awwww

fuck me

[limber lion]

Ï doubt it

[thin gate]

ambush just at blindsight proc

[limber lion]

You just remember it wrong

[dark token]

you ambush vanish tho

[thin gate]

Ryluk — gestern um 23:48 Uhr
as master assassin is this opener fine? Mutilate -> Slice n Dice -> Mutilate -> Garrote -> Rupture ->Vendetta + Flag -> Shiv -> Mutilate -> Vanish envenom -> Spam muti envenom -> refresh rupture garrote ?
Whispyr — gestern um 23:48 Uhr
yes
Ryluk — gestern um 23:48 Uhr
aight ty

[dark token]

but start of fight its mut

[silent tinsel]

I wish fok generated cp for each target

[limber lion]

No you don't

[thin gate]

he trolled me 😦

[dark token]

no?

[limber lion]

You ONLY use Ambush if you get a free proc from Blindside

You don't use it from stealth or from Sepsis' proc

[outer lodge]

this is with DS yes?

[silent tinsel]

Ambush bad

50 nrg for muta better

[balmy condor]

I'm actually looking at openers and it seems that doesn't matter either

nothing matters tbh

[thin gate]

just smash buttons and be #1 assa

[outer lodge]

that delay from energy before garrote while playing DS feels really bad

[ionic kelp]

i mut - rupt - mut - garrote cause i feel energy starved when playing ds

[tribal marlin]

The only thing that matter a little bit (and yet, not over longer fights) is if you do not use lust on pull

[ionic kelp]

if i do snd first

[tribal marlin]

Then you'd better rupturing ASAP

[lone finch]

what armor piece is best to craft doomblade on?

[limber lion]

[thin gate]

do u guys still have to refresh slice n dice after the rework of rank 2 ? havnt tried assa in long fights since then

[tribal marlin]

but again it shows like little to no win in 5mn and maybe 0.5% at best in 1mn20 doing so

[coral imp]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

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[dark token]

nah

snd once and done

[fleet whale]

@thin gate in most cases no. But it may fall off in downtime fights

like shriek etc

[thin gate]

i c

[limber lion]

Rarely does though because you'll have it at 54 seconds pretty quickly

Didn't drop for me in Council a single time

[thin gate]

so blizzard safed us 1 global

everyone liked that.

[limber lion]

1?

Hmm

[woeful plover]

Guys, so now we dont use ambush? only mutilates?

[thin gate]

more like 15

[limber lion]

Yeh there we go

[tribal marlin]

happen during Sire encounter if you dont fully refresh SnD before transition from p1 to p2 happen

[limber lion]

And like 20+ cp

[thin gate]

@woeful plover u only use Ambush if u have the Tier 1 (Level 15 Talent) Blindsight skilled and get a "PROC"

[solar bramble]

curious . . . do you have to do the upgrade something in the sanctum . . . before you get access to your first soulbind?

for venthyr

[limber lion]

You have to do your first calling to unlock the quests.

[solar bramble]

renown 2

i did the first one. which just had you do worldquests

[limber lion]

After you do your calling, you should get all quests to unlock soulbinds/sanctun upgrades etc.

[balmy condor]

@tribal marlin I also looked into the opener stuff, all of my tests for snd/gar/rup changes in opener with no lust (I actually turned off all buffs), are basically netural for anything longer than 1:30 as well

I saw gains for 1 min and stuff

[solar bramble]

atm i dn't have it but it sets me to needing to upgrade something in the sanctum next. . .

[balmy condor]

when I turned lust on again that disappeared too though

[solar bramble]

so i wasn't sure if i had to do the upgrade before i can get the soulbind? so 1k anima

[tribal marlin]

yeah it seems like droping SnD at start is somehow bad idea overall, but it really feels wierd being starved at the opener

[thin gate]

@solar bramble i upgraded after i got the stuff unlocked. i just talked to em boys and got everything unlocked

[tribal marlin]

Best results I got was doing Mut > Rupt > Mut > SnD

and as you said, only relevant in short fight

[balmy condor]

yep, that's what I saw as well

I also tried moving flag around

and none of that provided any gain either

[tribal marlin]

It's tough because it like have unintended consequences or some shit like this

[solar bramble]

but where lol . . . i see no quest mark over anyones head to unlock the first soulbind. . . and renown 3 unlocks further tree's but doesn't say it's needed to get the initial soulbind. . only quest i do have is to upgrade sanctum

[jolly granite]

What's the explanation behind the fact that we don t do ambush outside of procs?

[thin gate]

so actually u either get 1 x 5 combo points more on ur flag or the vendetta benefit i guess ? which ends up pretty much 0+-

[tribal marlin]

but yeah it also feels wierd random flaggin with 0 energy and doing like 17 stacks

in the opener

[balmy condor]

mut cp better

[limber lion]

Yeh just do the quest to upgrade your sanctum and it should move forward after that.

[solar bramble]

so i need 1k anima 😦

just for the soulbind

oof

[balmy condor]

yeah, but to be fair, koji already looked at the flag stuff, so I wasn't expecting much

[solar bramble]

that's extremely inconvenient

guess i'll get it sometime next week. don't have any callings atm either

anima takes forever to get 1k lol

unless you commit a full lfr

[strange python]

just do few +2 keys or low content

[solar bramble]

keys drop 35-75 a key . . . that still takes a long time to get the 1k lol

[restive bluff]

how much dps difference is between venthyr and necro sin in single target?

[lilac sparrow]

Cttc is awesome :) but why it gives only 3s per cast? Not per bubble spent?

[loud light]

'per combo point'

[subtle tundra]

keys drop 135 valor no matter what level

[limber lion]

It gives you 15s when you use with 5 combo points

[thin gate]

"up to"

[solar bramble]

not valor. anima

[subtle tundra]

ah shit im tard

[tribal marlin]

but idk some tests I did make wierd shit sometime, but I'm not sure it's relevant

like

[dawn ivy]

per bubble pepelaugh

[solar bramble]

to even unlock my soulbind it seems i have to upgrade sanctum which is 1k

[median igloo]

oh are we not supposed to pool before flag?

[tribal marlin]

feels wrong

why would you ever vanish AFTER envenom if you current global is envenom anyway

consiudering vanish is off gcd

[balmy condor]

you pool on envenom, which naturally takes care of the flag stuff

[median igloo]

gotcha

[solar bramble]

valor is a love/hate relationship. i'd love it if i was already doing +15's for 210 pieces to upgrade lol . . . . feelsbad upgrading anything under 210's purely on a cost basis

[thin gate]

guys, when playing Zoldyack is it worth using FOK to fill up the 4th/5th CP ?

[strange python]

feel u, had few items that i wanted upgrade. today i was runing the whole day mists +2 - 4 for vailor and the dagger.

[solar bramble]

ya but a +2 dagger . . . is what 187ish? . . that's . . nearly 1.5k valor to bring to 220

[subtle tundra]

get the items first, then farm the valor 🙂

[solar bramble]

likely more actually

[thin gate]

just farm ur valor in +2 and get the stuff from +15

[tribal marlin]

like on the screenshot I linked I really don't understand why the apl is not vanishing before that envenom. I can completly understand that's it's not a win to "force" conditionnal cp for vanish, but in that particular case it make non sense : 6cp, 83% energy why ever vanish after env ?

[solar bramble]

ya you need +15 key drops to really upgrade

[subtle tundra]

i live in plaguefall

[thin gate]

is it a master assasin thing gaining the cp quicker from mutilate or does the engine count vanish as a gcd?

[strange python]

idk i needed like 12keys to drop the item and if i think about that in +15 keys can went so much wrong my mental health gonna exploding kek
so its more fun to boost few groups and have fun when the tank dont get threat with tricks