assassination

[rigid wyvern]

at work atm so no

but can test later

[stoic needle]

Fair

[pulsar sluice]

yeah lethal poisons + well placed steel felt really nice for me in pvp

[limpid quest]

hi moving back to assasin from outlaw do I have to buy new legendary... if so can I ask what best is

[stoic needle]

Zoldyck

[limpid quest]

is shoulders best for this?

[wary ice]

at this point it doesnt matter

[limpid quest]

k ty

and slots is it haste and?

[stoic needle]

It's legs

And haste vers or haste crit

[limpid quest]

k ty

[limpid quest]

Looks like when I upgrade first piece at lvl 190 is Zoldyck insignia best power to put on legs?.

[ornate raptor]

Yes overall the best lego for sin right now

[warped heath]

How does a fully upgraded PVP trinket compare to our PVE trinkets? Trying to decide where to spend my honour

[plain thistle]

check herodamage.com

https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/trinkets/1t-t26-assassination

[hushed maple]

So guys, after a long abstinence of rogue I am leveling my rogue now: how on earth do we use our kyrian ability?

I am kinda lost

[plain thistle]

you just use it and you have 45s to consume the buff

just finish at the empowered combo point

[hushed maple]

and when it is on 3 for example?

do I mutilate and throw dagger?

[plain thistle]

lol no

just dont rush it, mut again > envenom and try again

garrote gives 1 combo point, you can use that when you need to refresh it

and mut gives 2, 3 or 4 combo points

[warped heath]

never knew this existed! Thanks!

[unborn arch]

interesting reads

[primal zinc]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

Whispyrs Bis list: http://tiny.cc/76r5tz

[loud niche]

#4 on the All-Stars list! *for sin rogues

[stoic needle]

Big gz river

[tiny thunder]

Assas rogue is back ?

[loud niche]

tyty

and no, sin rogue is a meme, i just beat mm hunters in dps cuz they suck

[spice spire]

Mood

[stoic needle]

Facts

[vestal wren]

#off-topic <-- that way

[stoic needle]

?

[spice spire]

There was a meme about the current stock market fiasco, Fuu just redirected river to off topic

[echo cargo]

assassination stonks?

[spice spire]

[prisma yoke]

i am playing assa for the first time in CN HC .... and my stone legion log got disqualified (red background). what does that mean and why did it happen?

[stoic needle]

did you perhaps accidentially use echoing reprimand from stealth?

[prisma yoke]

oh

i did it intentionally

is that forbidden?

[rigid wyvern]

Quick google says it apparently procs Expose Weakness

which would be a bug so they would invalidate any logs with it I assume

[prisma yoke]

but Find Weakness is a Sub thingy... why should it block for assassination?

[rigid wyvern]

Exactly

It procs expose weakness while your playing assassination

[prisma yoke]

oh really? i guess i didnt see it, because i only display the sin debuffs

[rigid wyvern]

can probably check the logs to see if the boss had it or something

[warped heath]

I am reading the wowhead assassination guide on the openers. With Subterfuge, I thought we Garotte, SnD, Garotte then continue the rotation? Did that change?

that way, you get the empowered garotte for longer.

[prisma yoke]

okay, found the tab ... yes, i did apply Find Weakness.
but i hadn't known about the bug prior

[rigid wyvern]

Its not a big deal its just taken off the leaderboards

Its not like a rules thing its just to stop the leaderboards from being potentially skewed by people abusing a bug

[spice spire]

Empowered garrote isn’t as big of a deal as it was before.
It’s garrote > mutilate > SnD

[rigid wyvern]

Easier to blanket remove all logs with the proc than go one by one

[spice spire]

The few seconds won’t make or break ur parse like SS made it

[warped heath]

Ok, thanks

Also, for the record, this is my first raid as assassination this xpac, and my god I missed it

[spice spire]

Good luck, have fun! It’s still much worse than outlaw but you’ll do great

[stoic needle]

vers/crit or vers/haste for doomblade

[eternal portal]

how much min. haste would you guys say that assa needs to work "good? min. 20%?

[stoic needle]

there is technically no number

but sin started "feeling" good after about 14% haste

[spice spire]

Crit/Mastery I heard is bis /s

[rigid wyvern]

whos saying non-haste for sin dafuck

[wary ice]

I believe it was /s

Hes known to be a troll tho

[spice spire]

That was the first time I’ve blind trolled iirc?????????
Definitely was a /s.

The true answer is fluid, and can change at any point, so do what you think is best... but haste has been best or close for a bit.

[rigid wyvern]

Ah I am blind

Lol

[alpine oasis]

what is a good fight style on raid bots for a good mix of raiding/mythics like a all rounder?

only play assassination

[spice spire]

It’s better to just do multiple sims at that point.
There’s no one sim that’ll work universally.
For your boss fights in raid sim what the fight is similar to, patchwork, patchwork add cleave, etc. and for mythics, it’s a bit more hairy to nail down exactly. Dungeon slice can be sketchy

[balmy condor]

dungeonslice is fine

it's supposed to show a mixture of single target and aoe, with restealths between packs

it's not supposed to be "here's how much damage you do in a dungeon"

but in terms of what its trying to show, it's pretty good

[stoic needle]

My dslice sims are really close to my single target sims now which is interesting

Like only 6-700 dps higher

[balmy condor]

that's like almost 15%

[stoic needle]

yeah but outlaw and sub have like 1000+ dps differences between dslice and single target

[low girder]

yeah it's like 1500 for outlaw for me

between the two

[balmy condor]

yeh happens

not really sure why

[stoic needle]

i don't think it's a problem, just interesting

[balmy condor]

best guess I got is "lul dots and ramp time"

lot of the dungeon slice pulls are like 20-45 seconds

and then you got burst and stuff

idk

[low girder]

how big are the pulls

'cause outlaw just destroys at 5 targets

[balmy condor]

its a mixture

[low girder]

yeah wasn't sure what the mix was

[balmy condor]

so it used to be 4-6 for short pull

like 15 sec

and then 1-3 for 30ish sec

alternating

[low girder]

hmm

[balmy condor]

that then got bumped up

so now there's more uptime on the bigger 4-6 sizes

which is where you get this now

so more single target, but also more 6-7 target

and less 2-5

[low girder]

interesting

yeah i'm not sure why the gulf is so large then other than i guess loltuning

[balmy condor]

the other thing that's been mentioned by some people is "lul sin apl in aoe sucks"

but no one seems to know whats wrong with it

other than "it's bad"

[low girder]

too many restealths not enough restealths

[balmy condor]

over time, I've come to realize that people want a way to sim for dungeons

but then when they have a way to sim for dungeons, it's not good enough

[low girder]

i think some people just aren't acquainted with how strong the TC work is for rogue

compared to like, uh

shaman

[royal lantern]

uhm, why does dungeon sim not take 14x marked resets into account????????????????????????

smh, lazy tcs

[balmy condor]

cause it actually ends up being a loss to try and snipe those marked resets that hard

iirc

[royal lantern]

it was a joke

do i need too put more ? there

[balmy condor]

me bad

[royal lantern]

still love you

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

but ye, marked is a bit weird

[stoic needle]

doomblade does not work with VW

sadge

[royal lantern]

like, i try too get resets somewhat, but not a hardon for it

best thing about spitefull, easy mark resets lel

trashpack end->mark on 1 and then snd for full duration on next pull

[balmy condor]

would've just been a better version of dashing

dashing but with more damage and more energy

[stoic needle]

True, I didn't think about it that way

[quiet juniper]

Hey I'm hesitating to level up a rogue assa bcs I like dots but I can't finf any stream/gameplay, do you guys know where I can find some ?

[toxic tusk]

Icyveins has everything you'll need baby

also, anyone chime in on elaborate planning over blindside on fights where there isn't much moving?

Shriekwing for example.

I've used blindside and done pretty well, but it seems liek a constant 10 percent increase.

to go with elaborate, I mean.

[balmy condor]

blindside is better on 1 target

[quiet juniper]

I just want to see some gameplay for the rotation and all :/

[toxic tusk]

Oh no worries, sorry buddy.

[quiet juniper]

And if the spells looks cool

[toxic tusk]

Ambush looks badass.

[quiet juniper]

I legit can't find anyone playing it, I'm I just out of luck ?

[mortal scaffold]

is this the move?

[balmy condor]

I mean, if you wanna see some heroic shit I streamed my raid: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/874058310

[quiet juniper]

Will do, thanks :)

[toxic tusk]

So is the damage output from average blindsides more than the 10 percent increase you think?

or, you know?*

[balmy condor]

I do know

[stoic needle]

it's not so much about the damage of ambush, it's more about the free 2+cp from each one

it helps with our single target energy problems quite a bit

[fleet whale]

make rupturing spike baseline for sin

so that we use ambush in opener

[balmy condor]

would also work with blindside then

rip

EP never played again

[fleet whale]

it only refreshes if it falls off

and you could just make it only work from stealth/subter

[crimson palm]

[wary ice]

fun fact: finality rupture works with assa

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Always has

[open swift]

!rotation

[balmy condor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[balmy condor]

is what you're looking for

[open swift]

ty

[serene basin]

dumb questin

question*

does haste affect sepsis tic?

[open swift]

are raid legendary power drops 100% drop rate ?

[serene basin]

raid only

[open swift]

kk good

[serene basin]

torghst too, in fact

[open swift]

yea i knew that, wasnt too sure about raids

im not having luck with the crit leggo from top

[serene basin]

gotcha

yeah, bad luck

[open swift]

it SHOULD but im not 100%

[paper stratus]

What? Legos are all 100%

[open swift]

not the one from theater of pain

[paper stratus]

So that one specifically ?

[open swift]

I think dungeon legendaries arent 100%

everything else is

[paper stratus]

Because every legendary across multiple classes including that one I’ve gotten first time. Odd

[open swift]

i have 9 attempts on the ToP legendary

[paper stratus]

From m+ are u running normal dungeons

[open swift]

im doin m0

[paper stratus]

Odd ok I guess I stand corrected try a +2 I suppose

[open swift]

i prob should try a m+

[serene basin]

hmm

[balmy condor]

yes

[serene basin]

cool

[open swift]

is 180 ilvl good enough to clear floor 8 in torghast?

[balmy condor]

might be rough

[rocky ruin]

@balmy condor the correct opener is muti, snd, muti or covenant, snd, muti?

cause was looking at icy veins

for subterfudge opener and saw then the MA opener

[balmy condor]

not sure what the question is

you can put your covenant in a lot of different places

and have it be fine

[rocky ruin]

so its like dont care about the opener just use everything correct

[balmy condor]

usually for most specs, yeah

there's not much loss in doing one gcd slightly differently

[rocky ruin]

im always trying to shiv before sepsis

thats for me the only im trying

and snd refresh at 9 or less

[balmy condor]

shiv after sepsis ideally

garrote/rup/snd in pandemic all good

[rocky ruin]

i thought shiv boost the dmg from sepsis

could check what i can do better on huntsman

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AtvM8nFgZyqJ7fLz#fight=29&type=damage-done

you

[balmy condor]

it does, that's why you cast after

sepsis is 10 seconds, shiv is 9

[rocky ruin]

my subterfudge opener i so clunky i must say

does shiv backwards boost sepsis ?

i thought always before

[balmy condor]

shiv increases all nature damage during its duration

it does not snapshot

[primal zinc]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

Whispyrs Bis list: http://tiny.cc/76r5tz

[ornate dawn]

Whats everyone's haste at these days, starting to feel good again on 23% (763)

[iron orchid]

20~21 % with 28~27% crit (due to night elf passive)

[ornate dawn]

Thats some chunky crit, think im sitting 24%, belf 1%

[iron orchid]

I have a nice optimization i guess

almost no mast (19%) and around 11% vers

[ornate dawn]

I got 23% mastery, I just cant get rid of it!

[strange python]

Probably swapping to Sin if it performs better in 9.1, my boomer hands don't wanna mash sinister strike anymore

[iron orchid]

That's one of the problems I have too, most of the gear that grants a huge chunk of haste has some mastery on it

[ornate dawn]

Helm, neck, chest and one dagger with it feelsbadman

[strange python]

that ring that inerva drops gives a crapton of haste iirc

[iron orchid]

inerva ring is so good with that Haste/Crit

But Denathrius one

Most haste possible, but mastery as side-stat

[ornate dawn]

Not a bad secondary

[strange python]

socket

[ornate dawn]

That was a lucky vault reward, but gotta get spamming the rep grind with Venari to socket everything ^

[strange python]

7k stygia a pop yessir

lets gooo

[ornate dawn]

Was worth buying the cheaper BoE 226 (haste/vers) bracers, and then socketing yourself

[uneven fable]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[tawdry pawn]

i simmed myself on stat.weifgts and Both slice and Dice and patchwerk IT was versa>crit>haste i'm at 19% haste

Should.I.go haste anyway?

[strange python]

Is exsang currently completely useless?

[balmy condor]

yes

[ornate dawn]

I would probably get more haste if I were you

[balmy condor]

top gear sim new gear, is the only correct answer

stat weight sims are janky

[tawdry pawn]

ah shit its assa chjannel

not outlaw

[balmy condor]

well guess what

[tawdry pawn]

fuck me sorry boiz

XDDD

[balmy condor]

it's the same answer

[tawdry pawn]

yeah I know

[grim canopy]

too late your dps is now low

[tawdry pawn]

hhahah

honestly I played assa since legion

but... ;c

I palyed a bg yesterday felt so nice

[hollow escarp]

my 2nd upgrade

is this a sign?

Septic Shock next upgrade

[bright girder]

how is sin in torghast?

[spice spire]

Sins great in torghast

[bright girder]

i've only done sub and outlaw, was wondering what interesting animas they get

[spice spire]

Interesting anima? In a rogue? Lmao. Wrong class. If you see red ink, it’s pretty good, otherwise. Boring but good

[bright girder]

lol

ya i get red ink option as outlaw and sub too

like outlaw has the grapple hook gives 400% damage increase to next finisher anima

is there any big one like that for sin

[sleek otter]

shadowstep 400 percent

[bright girder]

i'll prolly just try it anyways 😛

oh snap, that's cool

[sleek otter]

also has one where if you vanish, all your dots finish its dmg on the target

so a full rupture, garrole, sepsis and deadly hurts

[bright girder]

oh yeah that would be good for sin, i always skip that on outlaw

that's how i wish Exsanguinate talent would feel 😛

[sleek otter]

Yah felt op in WoD

this exp, not so much

[bright girder]

yeah that really sucked when it was nerfed :\

[sleek otter]

I might actually have a found a decent burst for assassination in raid ngl

I dont have gear so I cant confirm if its good or not

but it does a lot of damage, like a LOOOOOT

so instead of just opening up after vanish, the plan is literally go afk for like 5 seconds in vanish

because ur dots are still ticking with about 100 percent crit

did about 9k dps with pvp gear in the raid last night

[wary ice]

Oh my god

I really hope thats a real dps gain

[sleek otter]

not overall, its like just that burst window

[wary ice]

lol

[bright girder]

trying to understand why it is helpful to not continue attacking

[sleek otter]

I dont have like good gear tho

[bright girder]

i mean i can try it, i'm curious now 😛

yeah me neither

[sleek otter]

I can only imagine how much it would do with decent gear

[wary ice]

MA legendary, not talent im assuming

[sleek otter]

Nope, talent

[rich yew]

Any recommendations on conduits for pvp assa?

[sleek otter]

I was using doomblade legendary since I pvp O.O

Prob the instant poisons one

and the shiv one

for pvp I recommend septic shock

and shiv one

[wary ice]

damn i forgot exsang fights with alacrity

theres a non zero chance that some stupid shit like Subt + exang+ sigil of MA could have some stupid burst

[spice spire]

I forgot about vein ripper. We have one cool torghast power

[sleek otter]

I just looked it up, top assassa rogue does 11k DPS in burst with time warp

[bright girder]

how does vein rippers work in pve though, doesn't vanish reset the mobs?

[sleek otter]

Not if u attack right away

Just vanish and use an ability

[bright girder]

ok good

[sleek otter]

If anyone wants to test the opener I was talking about in raid

Meh nvm

Not sure it its good yet

[bright girder]

yeah, i'll play around with it on monday

also deciding which leggo to make.. i have enough ash for one: zoldyck or dashing

[royal lantern]

zoldyck

[bright girder]

TY

[sleek otter]

is anyone playing atm?

like online

I wanna show the burst and thats it pretty much

fck it Ill show a screenshot

thats on a dummy

[lyric inlet]

isnt that theoretically 4 seconds

[sleek otter]

Just just the opener

thats just the opener

I can def adjust the timing for like timewarp and stuff

but thats on demand every time that vanish is up

[lyric inlet]

so youre using MA and just opening garrote and rupture and letting those and deadly just crit

[sleek otter]

Yea Im thinking of changing it to use nightstalker and using the master assassin legendary for 50 percent more dmg on the burst

[lyric inlet]

are you night fae? could also use sepsis and see if the mastery from niya or extra damage from korayn is worth

[sleek otter]

I am nightfae

I go the mastery from niya

but I can def test it real quick

about 10.8k

so I did switch to MA legendary and doesn't actually seem to do much more dmg weirdly enough

this is the gear Im trying now

[wary ice]

try MA w/ Subt G->Amb->G->R->vendetta+trinket->Exsanguinate->vanish

probably afk to full energy mut->snd->mut->env

[sleek otter]

more dmg

I didnt use exsanguinate tho

I can def try it tho

[wary ice]

its probably worse in an actual fight

but to get a funny dummy #

[sleek otter]

so did about 12k did the exsanguinate

with the*

and thats before details reset

so could have done more

[stoic needle]

@balmy condor so how do we make an APL that sits in stealth for a few seconds to take advantage of the 100% crit with DoTS in stealth with MA

[strange python]

I’m sure that wouldn’t be a dps increase

[stoic needle]

With MA legendary and subterfuge maybe you'd go: garotte mutilate rupture sepsis shiv vendetta vanish. The question is when to come out of stealth. I feel like the longer you stay in stealth the harder it will be for you to make up the DPS loss from not autoattacking

[strange python]

Losing the melee and poison dmg

[sleek otter]

You only stay in stealth for about 4 seconds

[stoic needle]

100% crit on rupture and empowered garotte and deadly poison

And sepsis

With shiv

[sleek otter]

and I slice and dice with the 4 combos after the opener

you can check logs from heroic, I can link them, Im not the best assassination rogue but it really does do a lot of dmg

I mean normal

[stoic needle]

I think there's some potential

[sleek otter]

I would like someone smarter than I am to come up with something with it, doing better numbers than the current no1 assassination rogue with the best gear on his burst

[stoic needle]

That's why I pinged whispyr to ask about how to sim it

That's the way to test it for real

The sim would compare it against the regular opener

[sleek otter]

I really hope I stumbled upon something good for the class because it might def make it somewhat competitive

[stoic needle]

Sepsis hits like an absolute truck so I could see it possibly being worth to stay in stealth until the bonk

Especially with nightstalker

[sleek otter]

Yea I even ran the septic shock conduit

and it gave me good numbers

instant poisons sims 14 more dmg than septic shock

[stoic needle]

Sepsis doing 37%+50% extra damage from well placed steel and nightstalker is no joke

And garotte and rupture and instant poison would also get that extra 50%

[sleek otter]

Ill take a SC of the sepsis proc also

[stoic needle]

You should log this

[stoic needle]

God damn lmao

That's like bigger than an envenom crit

What if you came out of stealth with a MFD envenom

With NS

[sleek otter]

I usually marked for death rupture on the opener

[stoic needle]

This is literally the PvP opener but in pve lmao

[sleek otter]

for the 50 percent dmg increase

thats envenom from stealth

[stoic needle]

I was thinking MFD envenom out of stealth after vanish

[wary ice]

garrote->mut->rupture->mut>vend->exsang->vanish-> wait 4s->env->mut->env->mut->snd

subt+MA leggo

[stoic needle]

I don't think exsang will be worth it here

Exsang just sucks

[sleek otter]

yea Im not running it

[wary ice]

for stupid dumb burst opening exsang will be better full stop

[stoic needle]

Yeah but we want more damage overall and this is a boss fight which means no exsang

I'd like to see
Garotte > mut > rupture > sepsis > shiv > vendetta > vanish > wait 4s or 8s for sepsis to finish > envenom > mut x 2 > snd

I'd like to compare those with subterfuge and with nightstalker

And with the MA talent with zoldyck vs the legendary Ma

[sleek otter]

I would try and show it but details resets

[stoic needle]

Yeah you need to log this dude

Details isn't enough

[sleek otter]

how do I log it?

[stoic needle]

But really id like to see this simmed

You need to enable advanced combat logging in your network options and then upload your wowcombatlog.txt file onto Warcraftlogs.com

[sleek otter]

ok Im not the best geared person but sure thing, will do

[stoic needle]

If I can figure out how to program a wait into the APL in raidbots I'll sim the hell out of this haha

[sleek otter]

Im going to keep using MFD for the 50 percent increase on rupture

So my opener will look like this

gimme a sec

MFD-RUP-sepsis-shiv-Vendetta(and trinkets)- vanishj- (wait for sepsis to proc)- envenom- mut- snd

oh fck forgot garrote in the list

[stoic needle]

You should garotte too because that will get 50% more damage while you are in stealth

[sleek otter]

So my question, should I garrote first with rupture or should I garrote when I reopen?

[stoic needle]

Garotte first

I think it would be better to save MFD, or possibly not even use it at all

Because if you open with garotte, and then reopen with rupture after vanish, you get the 50% snapshot on both

[sleek otter]

even for a 50 percent increased rupture?

[stoic needle]

All you're gaining is the few seconds pre-vanish of 50% extra damage

[sleek otter]

That is so trueeeeeee

I didnt even think of that

so Ill try your opener

[stoic needle]

You could try getting rupture up before vanish nd then reopening with the NS'D rupture

It might not be good to not get rupture up at all until the reopen because that's at least 10 seconds or so

[sleek otter]

so many options, rupture is a large part of the dmg tho

[stoic needle]

Yeah

It's very complex lol

[sleek otter]

Ill just try everything, Ill try your opener first then just try it without rupture

until the snapshot

[stoic needle]

Just leave a bit of time between each attempt or rotate between dummies so that the log can distinguish between them

Well I guess you have to wait for vanish every time so it should be fine

[sleek otter]

so where is the logs in my files again?

[pliant apex]

if i dont switch to shades, is it going to affect parses?

i seem low on meters

[ebon tapir]

Haste/Vers best stats atm for Single Target correct?

[stoic needle]

Yes

[pliant apex]

i stick to huntsman

[stoic needle]

You should switch

Refresh garotte and rupture on huntsman right as the shades spawn and then hard swap

[frozen jasper]

Yo are we using NS now or what ?

[stoic needle]

Dunno mate, need papa whispyr in here to teach me how to sim this

Before I can say for sure

[sleek otter]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FpKT4RkdWAfmPZ2N/#fight=2&type=damage-done&source=1

those are some logs on a dummy

[pliant apex]

if i dont do that, will parses suffer?

or you mean more like helping the guild ?

[stoic needle]

The shades are counted in your parse. So to do maximum damage you want to dot them up as well as the boss

[pliant apex]

ahh i thought they werent counted?

[stoic needle]

They are but the damage is normalized iirc

Like the +100% damage modifier is removed but they still count

[worn path]

The shades likely won’t live longer than 15’s so you’ll have to gauge the worth. The damage is counted but at a normal rate instead of the double damage like oshosi said

[sleek otter]

Ill parse another one using a different opener

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/v8QjBHKAGNZPa631/#fight=5&type=damage-done&source=1

this was without using rupture right away

[pliant apex]

so to be safe, i better switch to shade than not at all right

safe parse wise, guild downs the boss nevertheless

but im the only one with hunts man along with tanks, everyone goes to shade

[stoic needle]

I think that assasination rogue is one of the more flexible specs with regards to target switching so I'd say there's no reason not to switch

With shadowstep and soulshape I can get across the room to the shade and back to the boss with almost no loss in uptime

And have garotte+rupture still ticking the whole time

[worn path]

It’s just a matter of how much it’s worth, you don’t wanna be putting full cp ruptures on the shades because you’ll get half the duration from it. If your bleeds are gonna fall off the dogs or huntsman it’s likely not worth it to switch

[wary ice]

i think waiting for the entirety of sepsis is too ambitious

half your vendetta is at 5k dps

[sleek otter]

Yea I could wait 5 seconds instead

lemme try that

[wary ice]

You also didnt shiv it looks like

Which is the whole point of waiting for the sepsis

nvm you did its just not showing up in casts for some reason

[sleek otter]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/agFQxGNY81f7v4K2/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=1

thats an updated report

waited 5 seconds

[wary ice]

no rupture?

[sleek otter]

I did it at the end to compare

I did it specifically at the end for the 50 percent snapshot

so I did it again just to compare

I do more dps waiting for the snapshot

than without the snapshot

[stoic needle]

This is a limited test though TBH

I'm more curious how this would fare over a 5 minute fight compared to the regular rotation

[wary ice]

I expect it to be worse tbh

The only real change is taking NS and idling in your burst window for it and MA

[sleek otter]

Want me to just wail out on a dummy for 5 mins?

[wary ice]

🤷‍♂️ i think getting an apl with it in mind is probably how you'd check it

[elder garden]

Anyone tried out Sin in pvp? Trying to pick it up for rbgs since outlaw isn't fantastic in pvp.

[stoic needle]

I've been running it. Almost 1600. It's okay, has decent pressure and good burst every once in a while

Not really outstanding at anything though

[elder garden]

I'm using Mark for leggo, but I am in the build up for soul ash for another if a different one is better.

[stoic needle]

I don't think there is. I've been trying doomblade and I'm not convinced it's better than mark

[elder garden]

Shiv into vanish with 5 cp, crit on envenom feels so strong.

[stoic needle]

It's very satisfying, and doomblade makes that better

The bleed on it doesn't do a ton of damage though sadly

[fleet whale]

the bleed is basically like a 2-3% buff on mut

which already doesn't do that much damage

[stoic needle]

I want to experiment with maim/mangle but I have to wait for the stupid conduit points to recharge

[fleet whale]

how many times do you swap a day? lol

[elder garden]

I'm trying to get to 1600 also just cause pvp gear is better statted than m+, and outlaw and Sin stat prio is the same.

[stoic needle]

Not much, but it's easy to use them all up and it takes a long time to get them back when you do

I'm at 1540 right now, kinda scared I'm gonna get into a losing streak and drop

[fleet whale]

this is my conspiracy theory:

blizz made pvp gearing more efficient to increase pvp participation

cause they realized that M+ isn't doing well as an "esport"

[stoic needle]

Well it worked

[fleet whale]

it just sucks as a rogue as any spec you have all this setup in arena

[elder garden]

I'd kill for a conquest/badge reward for pve content.

[fleet whale]

while meanwhile an arms warrior is just like "zug zug" and presses bladestorm

[elder garden]

My buddy plays unholy when we duo, and he always dumps on me for not having the dps he does except legit all of his comes from his pets, and I spend globals on cc and setup.

[stoic needle]

Rogue is in a really weird spot rn

You put in all of this work for not much reward

Across all types of content

[fleet whale]

assassination is godly in torghast though

i just destroyed layer six of TC

[elder garden]

I'm just glad I've got tank and healer friends that I can always group with when I play outlaw

[bright hemlock]

De other side Hakkar, when do i use distract on small ones to make him not eat them at start?

[pliant apex]

you cloak right before consume cast ends right? or when it starts? on hungering

[stoic needle]

A few seconds after the start I believe

Like after the first tick

[tawdry pawn]

waaait

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[tawdry pawn]

so mastery is shit now for us ;o

thats cool I can play assa and outlaw _

[loud niche]

is the 12%haste from dreamweaver not better than the mastery gain from niya with the Niya's Tools: Burrs

[fleet whale]

they are both strong

i don't think it will be a major difference either way

[tawdry pawn]

even better 😮 can use korayn for outlaw dreamweaver for assa and niya for sub

[pliant apex]

nail the rotation but almost a perfect play only getting me blue logs, will that change with gear?

[balmy condor]

been tested a million times, it's shit

[stoic needle]

say it aint so

[sleek otter]

Whispy do you mind helping with a log?

[native turtle]

[balmy condor]

sure I guess

but sitting in stealth with MA

is like

actually trolling

[sleek otter]

thats why I wanna test it

I dont think it is actually trolling in this case

its only 4 seconds staying in stealth

So the opener is
Garrote-Mut-Rup-Sepsis-shiv-vanish-wait 4 seconds- envenom- mut- snd-normal rotation

[balmy condor]

if I sim it

will you leave me alone about it

[sleek otter]

Yes

[balmy condor]

fine

[native turtle]

[pliant apex]

shouldnt MA opener be mut-slice-mut-gar-rup

[sleek otter]

Im being an idiot and trying new stuff

[balmy condor]

yes but for some reason the single braincell that all of #pvp uses is really into the idea of vanishing and sitting in stealth while doing 30% of their damage

[pliant apex]

oh ok i was like shit i been fuckin up lolp

also just found out from wow analyzer if youve two on use trinkets, you can use both in fight..

i just didnt use the second, at all

[balmy condor]

there's a 20 second cd on using on use

[spice spire]

There’s a reason I swapped out my second on use trinket when I got the heroic inerva trinket

[stoic needle]

i just macro them both into the same button and press it twice

my weakaura reminds me

i've never missed a cast of either after setting it up that way

[spice spire]

Ten DPS loss by using hateful chain instead of dreadfire vessel

[stoic needle]

i'd do anything for a phial though ;-;

[spice spire]

I’ll take that L. Same.

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wspvrQCPwDYx2BxhTUqQ7B

[sleek otter]

Ok I understand

thanks tho

[balmy condor]

this question comes up like every other week

[torpid spoke]

is there a best legendary per boss in CN?

[balmy condor]

always zoldyck

MA has a place on sludge, but it's a toss up on that as well

[torpid spoke]

zoldyck is best in which slot?

[balmy condor]

legs usually

[torpid spoke]

perfect

thanks

[balmy condor]

np

in the pins

[torpid spoke]

is best weapon enchants sharp + shadowcore?

[balmy condor]

Run this under your import in an advanced sim https://pastebin.com/0CnXcRR1

[torpid spoke]

thanks!

[native turtle]

The amount of times I've read Whispyr type "zoldyck" and "legs" in this channel is too damn high

[balmy condor]

it be like that

:P

[fiery folio]

Fuck sorry im bothering again, but can you guys name the top legos to have?

i heard one is realyl bad

[wide bolt]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[bright turret]

What's the 5% new aura buff going to wind up being a net increase of?

[native turtle]

WOW another 5% damage boost coming

Actually pogchamp

[rigid oriole]

now we talkin

[hollow escarp]

[muted ridge]

So will this be enough to make it viable?

[novel arrow]

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/eu-en/244690-class-tuning-underway-3-february/

[strange python]

came here to ask this

[hollow escarp]

it was already viable

[vital haven]

again?

LMAO

[novel arrow]

ASS 5%

OMFG

😄

😄

I"M SO HAPPY

[vital haven]

eventually guys

[fickle arch]

[bright turret]

Depends on what you mean by viable, it'll still have similar issues to sub

[native turtle]

Only @balmy condor knows the truth. We must get his guidance!

[balmy condor]

Whomst

[hollow escarp]

[balmy condor]

Oh fuck me

Seriously

[strange jay]

"Is Sin viable now"

[hollow escarp]

[celest ruin]

does anyone know if the aura buff also applies to pvp

[balmy condor]

I’m gonna cry lmao

[native turtle]

Yes it does

[hollow escarp]

my char already sims so close to sub

[vestal wren]

sin actually interessting now?

[stoic needle]

Excuse me?!?

[strange python]

dude if assa comes back in raids im legit deleting all my alts and focusing on the rogue 1000%

[stoic needle]

I almost made a DK alt today

[balmy condor]

You’re telling me I need to resim everything again

[stoic needle]

ALMOST

[balmy condor]

[muted ridge]

Lets hope its enough to make it good in raid again

[stoic needle]

Get back in your sim cage

[fickle arch]

I just started leveling a fire mage today

[strange python]

SIM the SIN

🍿

New tuning applied to simbot already?

[stoic needle]

Sub players on suicide watch

[balmy condor]

B R U H

[hollow escarp]

[drifting imp]

❤️

[hollow escarp]

dooooood

I'm so happy

[drifting imp]

i'm so happy

[obtuse garnet]

[stoic needle]

This is fucking stonks

[drifting imp]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-dance-drinkingnsfw-gif-7490790

[hollow escarp]

fuck outlul

[strange python]

heeeyt

[echo cargo]

ANOTHER ONE?

no fucking way lmao

[hollow escarp]

love you bro

[balmy condor]

Hey guys, have we restarted all the servers on the planet for an announced patch next week

[vestal wren]

i can resim the spreadsheet tomorrow (i hope i have time for that)

[frail fossil]

YOOO

NOOO WAY

[strange python]

HAHAHA

i love people's reactions

seeing the buffs

[raw tusk]

whats this mean now assas> sub?

[frail fossil]

IDK

IT'S JUST FUNNY

[strange python]

Need a pin for the new spreadsheet!

[strange python]

this was always the case 😄

[shut garnet]

yo whispyr assa META?

[fleet whale]

huh what's going on

[shut garnet]

[sand dirge]

not that hyped about modifier buffs tbh

[pastel notch]

What we saying then, 5% new meta?

[raw tusk]

@strange python always is a strong word

[wide bolt]

5% more dmg buff for sin

whoops wrong reply

[frail fossil]

sin got a 5% dmg buff

[native turtle]

assassination is now the number 1 simming raid, M+, and pvp spec

[wide bolt]

@fleet whale ☝️

[drifting imp]

oh boy here we go again

[fleet whale]

lol sin got buffed again

[drifting imp]

and there is no new pin

[fleet whale]

is it finally where it should be?

[native turtle]

Everyone start investing NOW

[frail fossil]

who knows, too soon

[strange python]

whispyr

whispyr

[burnt dome]

[strange python]

whispyr

IS IT GOOD NOW

IS IT

[mighty owl]

Get that flex tape meme in here with blizzard slapping 5% buffs

[frail fossil]

IS IT VIABLE

[strange python]

IS IT GOOD

[frail fossil]

CAN I PLAY SIN IN RAIDS

[fleet whale]

it should be viable now

[grizzled jay]

I got 6K soul ash just waiting for a dagger to drop so I can play some sin

[near lark]

So viable boys?

[stoic needle]

Doesn't this put it slightly past what people said it needed in beta

[pastel notch]

The boys need answers

[tired falcon]

OP?

[fleet whale]

i can't believe they ignored destro lock though

gonna be really bad now

[frail fossil]

man peen is about to CASH IN

[stoic needle]

Who cares

[balmy condor]

aight aight everyone calm down I'm back on my computer

it's sheep herding time

[strange python]

sigh....after spending so much ash on sub and outlaw they finally giving sin the love it deserves

[crisp glen]

🐑

[balmy condor]

everyone in a nice neat row

[viscid umbra]

I can't wait for questions asking whether raidbots has been updated with the changes only announced 5 mins ago

[pastel notch]

Tell us Whispyr are we bis?

[strange python]

WHISPYR IS IT GOOD BRO

PLEASE

[crisp glen]

Zoldyck or Bloodfang

[drifting imp]

we love you whispyr

[frail fossil]

WHISPYR WHISPYR CAN I GET AHEAD OF THE CURVE AS SIN

[balmy condor]

only lfr sorry

[frail fossil]

[wide bolt]

Whispyr on suicide watch with us Sub players now with all these pings lol

[pastel notch]

[balmy condor]

I was enjoying lunch

when all of a sudden

[stoic needle]

Imagine n t having lvl 4 z ldyck already

[balmy condor]

I got not 1, not 2, but FIFTEEN pings

[pastel notch]

Fuck your lunch bro, crunch the numbers

[strange python]

No soul ash for sin

[grizzled trail]

Do I really need to make another lego....

[drifting imp]

hehe

[stoic needle]

Look at all the blue names

[pastel notch]

I legit made my 225 sub logo 235 this week cause I didn't think they'd insta buff sin again

[frail fossil]

broo xd

[old thistle]

TOP KEKS

[frail fossil]

[hollow escarp]

I have ash for it

[old thistle]

EMRAGHERD THEM BEFFS

[drifting imp]

i played sin this whole season

[strange python]

i have ash, i dont have MONEY

[stoic needle]

DELETE THIS

[drifting imp]

they reward my patience

[pastel notch]

Nerd

[frail fossil]

THAT IS YOUR KING

PEEN

THE NUMBER ONE SIN ROGUE IN THE WORLD

[raw tusk]

i made my leggo at the 8% buff figuring theyd do it again an glad i did lol

[stoic needle]

[manic stratus]

how would u rate assasination spec after the buff ? Against the two other specs ?

[frail fossil]

69/10

[strange python]

they're working on it now

Play Assa Over Sub/10

[old thistle]

more buffs

[raw tusk]

whyspyrs got 25 sims going right now trying to answer questions lol

[covert mesa]

Still behind sub and outlaw

[tacit pebble]

IS ITIT OGODOOGODODOODD?????

[tired falcon]

Serious question though

[frail fossil]

they need another 25% dmg buff

imo

[tired falcon]

What’s was wrong with sin?

[stoic needle]

Well it was already on par with sub after the 8% so

[raw tusk]

how much time you got

[stoic needle]

GG sub players

[vital haven]

dude

[tacit pebble]

tbh this might be an overbuff, i think it might be bis for sire atleast now. still kinda dogass for SLG

[manic stratus]

😄

[tired falcon]

Something wrong with certiain core spells or dmg is just bad?

[raw tusk]

yeah rip sub lol i main outlaw so i can kinda switch freely if id like

[vital haven]

sin has been blanket buffed 18%

[burnt dome]

I mean chances are it will still be below Outlaw right but it will be close enough to be a viable pick just because you like the spec more

[raw tusk]

well this is only abilities

not white hits and stuff

[strange python]

Are you holding to sub Nairda?

[stoic needle]

Which is what we want

[vital haven]

nah im an outlaw boi

once we reclear after denathrius clear

[stoic needle]

Fuck white hits being top dmg in a dot spec

[manic stratus]

The warr buff tho

[balmy condor]

Yes, another 5% sin buff. We will be comparable to sub with this buff, and with zoldyck, win by a decent margin on execute (such as p3 sire). If you have heavy movement, a need for execute, or don't like the other specs, it's good enough. Most likely will still lose to outlaw on cleave/aoe, and will be beat in raw single target by sub. That is fine. All 3 specs will remain viable. Please wait for simulations to be run in order to get a clearer picture.

[mint peak]

I mean if all you care about is the number on the meter. Assassination has obvious benefits to outlaw mostly in that you get to pick when your big damage happens

[manic stratus]

getting the 2 dps specs a buff

[manic stratus]

what a joke

[balmy condor]

okay me go sim

[burnt dome]

Im not sure if im a big fan of this type of buffs though, seems like a weird way to balance

[balmy condor]

please refer people to that pin

[native turtle]

Whispyr has spoken! Assassination is the best spec in the game!

[frail jungle]

make exsanguinate great again

[mint peak]

make envenom refresh snd instead of flat numbers

[balmy condor]

make taco tuesday free!

[burnt dome]

make pizza tuesday free!* ftfy

[stoic needle]

Is exsang still shit after this aura buff @balmy condor ?

[balmy condor]

yes of course

[fleet whale]

the fact that assassin is about the get three aura buffs in one tier

[tacit pebble]

i think they need to rebalance dmg sources for sin, put more dmg in bleeds, less dmg in white hits/poisons

[fleet whale]

shows that blizz fucked up

[stoic needle]

[native turtle]

Quick someone ask Whispyr about Zoldyck legendary and what slot to put it in

[stone pilot]

Replace exsang with kingsbane make fok generate per targets hit

[vestal wren]

To showcase the impact of the 5% buff:
Simulations:
old:https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kb2NQkz1yZYMgSX1wQUWRU/simc
new:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kHsnNPT58hCkR1MS1ru2S7/simc
note: Subtlety is using akaari in the simulation while usually playing finality in raid, this could mean that the gap between subtlety and assassination is marginal smaller.

[frail fossil]

and still at the bottom o the dps

[balmy condor]

pog fuu faster

[tired falcon]

Sin rogue any good in pvp now?

[warm parcel]

Imagine not already being assa

smh

Nonbelievers

[fleet whale]

being 2% off in sims

[manic stratus]

@vestal wren thank you !

[fleet whale]

isn't really bad tbh

[urban thistle]

Umm, technically isn't it 1.05*1.05 *1.08 for a 19.7% increase?

[pulsar sluice]

damn kinda glad i crafted that doomblade the other day

[stoic needle]

Can we put the channel in zoldyck mode please

[vital haven]

sludgefist mythic just became a sin fight

[stoic needle]

If you don't have zoldyck you can't post

[shrewd helm]

@fleet whale especially considering mechanics.

[hard epoch]

yea and if its 2% off that means you run it still cuz you dont lose that much dps during downtime

[balmy condor]

no, because the buff is an additive increase to the aura, nice try

[warm parcel]

Noone knows how blizz handles these %

Theyre inconsistent with their notes

So you just gotta wait

[tacit pebble]

i think its pretty clearly bis for sire, clearly worse for SLG, and sub might still be better for sludge?

which means real chads will play 3 specs in 3 bosses

[native turtle]

is that "chat"?

chad*

[tacit pebble]

im doing it so im deciding it is.

[native turtle]

Playing assassination before any of the aura buffs is Chad

[agile geode]

Still bottom

So sad

[vestal wren]

they just put 5% on their spec aura

[agile geode]

Ye

[vestal wren]

its 44 now, a 5% buff put it at 51

[stoic needle]

I was here before the first 5%

[agile geode]

This kind of buffs are so weird

[old thistle]

like i said months ago , sin will get the bfa arms warrior treatment

[fleet whale]

honestly the fact that sin needs so many aura buffs

[sullen fossil]

So i will play assa -> bench -> reroll ww is it?

[drifting imp]

saaame

[fleet whale]

shows that there is probably something fundamentally wrong with the spec

[agile geode]

Never

If i had to reroll to play

I prefer unistall

[vestal wren]

its "overall" a ~3,5% buff from the sim

[balmy condor]

yeah, a lack of borrowed power that it's relied on

[agile geode]

An gg ty blizz

[vestal wren]

so its not "you do 5% more damage", pls keep this in mind

[manic stratus]

Im new to rogue, im looking forward to try assasination at some point

[solar hare]

All damage abilties is such a trash buff

[fleet whale]

as we gear up the buff is more though

[solar hare]

It looks really good

[fleet whale]

auto attack damage gets lower with gear

[solar hare]

But its a lot less

Fair

[unborn helm]

YES

[brisk flicker]

So... I'm sure it's been talked about here, but how 'but dem 5% buff increase to assassination this upcoming Tuesday?

[balmy condor]

I like how everyone complains about white damage on sin, but then everything EXCEPT white damage gets buffed, and people say "trash buff"

[fleet whale]

auto attack isn't even close to my top source of damage now

and i'm only 206 ilvl

[vestal wren]

also one thing to keep in mind is that the rogue profile is using akaaris but almost everyone in game uses finality that potentially closes the gap a bit more

[balmy condor]

there's 2 new pins, please consult them

[stoic needle]

Deadly poison is already several % over melee damage for me at 210

[warm parcel]

Same with assa fuu

Everyones rocking bracers

[fleet whale]

envenom is catching up too

sometimes higher

[brisk flicker]

Consulting, sorry I don't check pins all the time :(

[vital haven]

idk @tacit pebble with 4th pillar on sludge already encompassing even more of its sub 30% health pool so zoldyck really good there, plus cds and sin not suffering as much as other specs on downtime i personally think sludgefist is gonna be a sin fight now

[vestal wren]

assuming the diffrence between akaari/finality is ~1-1.5% you could come down to as close a 1% duffrence between #subtlety amd #assassination

[balmy condor]

the distance between dashing and zold is much closer than finality akaari

[warm parcel]

fair

[vital haven]

obv idk for sure just my thoughts

[warm parcel]

but still

[median ember]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=320687/upcoming-class-tuning-for-next-weekly-reset-9-specs-buffed?webhook

5% buff again

xd

[native turtle]

Slowpoke News

[agile geode]

Gmorning

Hehe

[stone epoch]

was already doing alright during heroic raid as far as meters, nice little surprise here haha

[old thistle]

you know they got a class wrong when they slap a % all the time

[fleet whale]

where are the talent changes

sin talent tree is so bad

[eternal wave]

Is Sub's shot at 2x Shadow Blades for 2 pillars (1st and 3rd) on Sludgefist thanks to Stiletto Staccato not enough to compete against Zoldyck on that fight?

[candid jasper]

sin feels awful to play 😦

[old thistle]

the 50% crit talent is proof

[balmy condor]

sub will be better on sludge still most likely

[eternal wave]

I get that Zoldyck last's for a decent chunk of HP but the burst during those 2 pillars is insane as Sub

[fleet whale]

sin is going to be even more godly for torghast though

after this buff

[balmy condor]

it's a gain of like 200 dps on bis setups

it's not that insane

this just brings us in line

[agile geode]

Rogue deserve a bit better i think

[brittle pawn]

will it make assn better than sub in m+?

[strange python]

in line with what

[agile geode]

But maybe

Next tier we'll be

[balmy condor]

already is tbh

[drowsy niche]

Do you guys think assa>sub next week ?

[candid jasper]

I think outlaw will still be better atm for castle nathria

[echo cargo]

Sin will merc Sub on high fortified weeks for sure

[balmy condor]

please read pins

[drowsy niche]

thanks

[balmy condor]

sin even before the buff was better than sub on cleave and aoe

[echo cargo]

True^

[strange python]

i really dont know who brought up the idea in the first place to play sub rogue in m+

like are u fucking living in 1500s

[agile geode]

Black powder

[balmy condor]

what?

[stoic needle]

But... Black powder go brr!

Prio damage for prideful!!!

[strange python]

blade flurry > black powder

[agile geode]

But was a big bait

Ofc

In main outlaw right now

Hoping to play assa maybe next tier

[mint peak]

literally every buff they did was flat % and basically thats all theyve really done for pve balance this patch

[near lark]

So how do I play Assas?

[balmy condor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[scarlet galleon]

Isn't Sin stupidly good now?

[near lark]

My boi

[balmy condor]

what are you talking about my dude

[native turtle]

SO broken

[random comet]

wat

[frail fossil]

no

[scarlet galleon]

idk 13% compared to launch feels kinda giga

[frail fossil]

still shit

[fleet whale]

i wouldn't say it's shit anymore

[balmy condor]

it was needed

[eternal wave]

13% of 0 is still 0 :)))

Nah but Assa was a great spec for HPS at launch lol

[balmy condor]

sin after this buff, is comparable to other rogue specs

[agile geode]

Compared to other rogue specs is fine

[balmy condor]

that's literally the TLDR

it's comparable

all 3 specs are now good

[agile geode]

But other specs are considered worsr

[fleet whale]

the problem is rogues themselves

aren't exactly amazing

[agile geode]

I think not

[hollow escarp]

remember when this chat was dead?

[agile geode]

But all the memeguys in my realm think so

[scarlet galleon]

well that's what I mean, of course it's not comparable to any other melee basically

well, some exceptions to that

[agile geode]

A bit better

[scarlet galleon]

i didn't expect Sin to be the new unholy DK

[agile geode]

Still under ww uhdk and feral by a bit

[balmy condor]

I mean, it's comparable to the other 2 rogue specs, one of which being outlaw, and outlaw is pretty good, idk what you want

[scarlet galleon]

yeaa

[scarlet galleon]

that's literally what I mean ?

[agile geode]

I know that outlaw is good

But the others do not

In my realm i mean

[balmy condor]

you just said it's not comparable to any other melee

and it very much is

[agile geode]

Its called Nemesis, but for me is Memesis

[scarlet galleon]

"i didn't expect Sin to be the new unholy DK"

[hollow escarp]

what other better time than this to get assa buff?

before BURRS

[fleet whale]

no one has sin leggos

[signal gulch]

well that's what I mean, of course it's not comparable to any other melee basically

[agile geode]

No one plays it

[fleet whale]

so don't expect to shoot up in log rankings

[opaque island]

Stupid question was sin rogue already competitive in pvp?

[balmy condor]

it is comparable to other melee

[fleet whale]

yes sin was decent in pvp

[balmy condor]

guys

[iron orchid]

Another big news

[balmy condor]

please

stop baiting

[iron orchid]

I got KSM tonight

playing sin

[opaque island]

Alright cool

[signal gulch]

im just copy pasting what he said

[stoic needle]

I remember comfy sin chat

[balmy condor]

it'll be comfy again

[frail fossil]

lmfao u chilling as sin, seeing the discord burn

[versed mica]

HEY GUUUUUYS IS SIN VIABLE NOW HELLO??????

[frail fossil]

i will remember

[versed mica]

HI????

[balmy condor]

just need the negative IQ to leave

[frail fossil]

u wjere the first one

[balmy condor]

and it'll be fine

[spice spire]

@ me

[tidal gorge]

Well the good news is I have enough ash for rank 4 Zold next week. The bad news is I still don't have a lot of haste gear

[balmy condor]

that's fine

you don't need high haste

[solar hare]

So uh

[sonic zinc]

damn im sad i didnt grab hc cn dagger instead of axe this week

[tidal gorge]

Well, I know, but last time I simmed, sin was 500 dps lower. The gap might be small enough to justify switching now

[solar hare]

Those haste and crit break points eh?

[sonic zinc]

cant play sin yet

[balmy condor]

pls not now

[solar hare]

Ok ill save for later