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tropic ocean
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sin is pumppp

rigid mango
meager bridge
warm parcel
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m+ kekw

rigid mango
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Outblast any outlaw

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Miss me with it

tropic ocean
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and with new affix

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u barely need vanish to skip anything

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so

sterile bane
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On hero damage it say gusting wound is the best is that true ?

rigid mango
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I was more thinking sin has better burst ST

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Yus, gushing is nutty

warm parcel
rigid mango
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EV probably better overall for raid though

warm parcel
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As in 3 gushing items?

rigid mango
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Bec it's fucking

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only on tier 1 15 corr pieces

meager bridge
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For m+ ev is king

rigid mango
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Unless it somehow scales with amount of pieces with it

tropic ocean
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unless gushing can stack from aoe

sterile bane
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Ye

tropic ocean
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ev >>>>> gushing

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except for maybe pure st

rigid mango
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Depends entirely on fihgt

tropic ocean
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which is like very few fights this tier

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or well if u are commanded to just burst st

warm parcel
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EV is just too versatile

tropic ocean
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instead of overall

quasi pewter
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for assa everything is pure st

tropic ocean
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but on the other hand ev is pretty strong on st too

quasi pewter
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so gushing is bis

tropic ocean
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so not sure if worth the sacrifice

warm parcel
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Well

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If you gotta do any swaps gush sucks

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Like any sec target walks close to you

tropic ocean
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ev is just constantly up and proccing

quasi pewter
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idk what the proc rate is

tropic ocean
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dunno about gushing yet it says 4 rppm

quasi pewter
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or uptime of the dot

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maybe its really high

sterile bane
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Most of the shit in raid need to to swapping

meager bridge
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Ev is 10% in every key I did

quasi pewter
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4rppm is pretty high

rigid mango
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For me it's like

warm parcel
rigid mango
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TLDR on corr is

tropic ocean
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but not compared to echoing

meager bridge
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It's absolutely disgusting

tropic ocean
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like

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ev has 100% uptime

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XD

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or close to

rigid mango
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EV > GW > IS > tent shit > rest

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That's pretty much it

tropic ocean
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@meager bridge its insane on st too

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from first 2 raid nights

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2x ev is same dmg as envenom on st

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so

meager bridge
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Yeah, it's completely nuts

tropic ocean
meager bridge
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I only have 1 r2 I think

tropic ocean
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same but fellow rogue has 2x r2

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and it does +- same dmg as his envenom

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😄

meager bridge
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Yikes lucky bastard

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Been trying to farm a second one in m+ but shit is rare as hell

tropic ocean
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been doing that since wednesday

warm parcel
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Here I am sitting with 3 dog tier corr pieces

tropic ocean
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but neverlucky

warm parcel
sterile bane
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I got is and ev

tropic ocean
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i got stacking crit corruption

sterile bane
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👌

tropic ocean
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versa

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leech

meager bridge
quasi pewter
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only corr piece i have is my dagger

tropic ocean
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and 3 or 4 void ritual

quasi pewter
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and 415 gloves that give me more haste

tropic ocean
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hopefully void ritual is buffed resident sleeper

meager bridge
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The versa one might be halfway decent

rigid mango
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Crit buff + crit stat increase + ev

meager bridge
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It's 700 something vers

rigid mango
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Anyone like crit? I do.

tropic ocean
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ive only used it 2 keys but

meager bridge
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Same

tropic ocean
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its not as high uptime

meager bridge
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Mhmm

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I'm running keys with 85 base corruption peepochrist

tropic ocean
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non comparable to the dmg procs atm

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lol

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F for ur healers

meager bridge
rigid mango
sterile bane
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Ikr

rigid mango
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🙏

sterile bane
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Holy shit

meager bridge
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That's a lot

sterile bane
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55%

rigid mango
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Chill it's the naga buff

meager bridge
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Scam

sterile bane
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Oh

meager bridge
rigid mango
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I'm still at like 2.2k raw stat before it

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So

tropic ocean
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2x ev is also very close to outdpsing eb

rigid mango
tropic ocean
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on key

sterile bane
warm parcel
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2.2

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Give me back argus 80% mut crit

rigid mango
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Actually sorry it's more like 1.9

sterile bane
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I am so lose on the build right now

rigid mango
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but my procs let me hit 2.2

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Thx papa blizz

meager bridge
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I mean, things can only get better, been playing the raid with 2x EB because I wanted to use the new pieces

sterile bane
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Be honest if we stacking Cri and ves can we go back to bleed

warm parcel
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you wish

sterile bane
warm parcel
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It just doesnt work

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All t2 talents suck for it

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Vanish desync sucks for it

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Essences suck for it apart from blood thats yet again desynced from vanish

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And if wv were tobecome meta

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Again desynced

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Trinkets - desynced

turbid osprey
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?

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Vision?

royal lantern
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ye

devout moth
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guys im 448 and only sim 48.2k on my roue

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its my alt but anyways kinda low sim

cobalt pelican
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get better gear

devout moth
quasi pewter
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i mean ur gear is last content

rigid mango
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fuckall sockets, bad corr, old azerite, no 4th slot

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etc

quasi pewter
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its what alot of people simmed after nerfs and no benthic + mediocre gear

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clf nerfs*

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ur head and shoulders are pretty bad

devout moth
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yeah but even for last tier ppl were simming like 55k

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ik its low for new tier

leaden lichen
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They just told you what is wrong

meager bridge
versed bobcat
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Do we need 1 Blightborne or do we just want DD DD DD NP TTK TTK? Thoughts?

quasi pewter
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whatever sims best

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ttk is not that strong by itself

versed bobcat
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yea thats why im about to tend to get some more of the rest (rolling random piece, that means :D)

frozen karma
versed bobcat
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wait heart of darkness is even better. allrite

torpid sluice
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once we go full haste end of xpac for corruptions, would it then be exsanq and ss build again due to galecaller?

frozen karma
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Mastery Andy

warm parcel
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once we go full haste

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since when

torpid sluice
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herodmg trinkets top ones are all haste? :c

warm parcel
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and?

torpid sluice
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a simple no would've sufficed..

warm parcel
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I was just curious where this comes from

rigid mango
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Don't use herodamage

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It's playing entirely around inf stars (which fyi sucks kinda for prog) and that's where all the haste comes from

gilded wraith
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!Essence

prisma monolithBOT
rigid mango
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Use your own sims not those pre made ones that wont look anything like realistic ones.

frozen karma
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I'm still simming mastery over haste but I only have r1 stars so that might be it

cobalt pelican
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the top trinkets on herodam aren't really haste anyway it's liek what

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coral plumage

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then galecallers which has always been like a swerve if you can

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vitashard (p ok i guess)

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deadeyes font

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harlans

warm parcel
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m+ trinkets are there overall for 2 reasons

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New trinkets suck

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And new trinkets suck some more

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And m+ is closer to m level now

rigid mango
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Vita shard with buff might be aight now

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but doubt it beats font

raven mica
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Fs in the chat for all my guys out there who gotta go back to EP to farm a better font

cobalt pelican
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don't think so either, my goal is just to get my hands on a torment in a jar for carapace/hivemind/whatever i think

warm parcel
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a what

cobalt pelican
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borement in a jar

warm parcel
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o

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For a sec I thought you meant the old icc trinket 😄

cobalt pelican
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they might be better than nyalotha trinkets

warm parcel
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dbw Poggers

raven mica
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Dislodged foreign object?

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Nah but I want that fucking torment

warm parcel
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Does it actually do respectable dmg

cobalt pelican
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it's like, kinda ok

warm parcel
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Does it split the dmg?

cobalt pelican
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it's like one of those things that i don't think i'll end up using but i want incase

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i don't believe so but i'm not 100% sure

warm parcel
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ait

strange python
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so are we running galecaller + coral now??

dark crag
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No

scenic nacelle
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Initial tests with Torment in a Jar on a M+16 Mech did about 2.6% of damage at 445

warm parcel
cobalt pelican
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that sounds pretty ass

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well

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it's 'okay'

strange python
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sounds about the same as electroelemental jar

meager bridge
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WM6 torment did 7%

strange python
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what ilvl

meager bridge
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460 trinket

strange python
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lol not that bad

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but still pretty fucking ass

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why run that if u can run coral + sm other statstick

meager bridge
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lazy

strange python
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wait @meager bridge you were playing assa in that 6+

meager bridge
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nono

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outlul

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will use it as sin too though

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once I have my third EB

strange python
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nook its ass

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so what do u run

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bloodmallet says galecaller

warm parcel
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you run what sims best for you

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

strange python
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but what do i farm for

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thats the question

warm parcel
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if you want a trinket thats usable anywhere

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dice as always

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or just get 495 coral

shrewd iron
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HoD is simming way lower than NP even tho I've got NP on my shoulders

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I thought HoD was good

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Any ideas why?

warm parcel
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plenty

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you dont have the corr needed

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you dont have the corr items needed

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your gear is low

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your trinkets arent good

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any of the above

shrewd iron
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I have to corruption

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I got ashvane + font

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454+ ilvl

warm parcel
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you can just post the rb link

royal lantern
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did the trinket buff change anything for us anyway?

warm parcel
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Didnt notice they were buffed

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But I doubt so

glass trench
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[Shorting Bit Band] with nature dmg someone know how good this is ? 😄

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mechagon ring

obsidian girder
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best all round m+ azzerites ?

strange python
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3xSS+3xEB has been the go-to for most dungeons, but we'll have to see with corruption and the 490 azerite not having EB

obsidian girder
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okay thank you

warm parcel
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Nothing beats font coral for me etu

arctic walrus
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@warm parcel just Titanforge a dragonscale 🙂

strange python
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i got dragonscale 460 non socket hmmm

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they are buffing vitas and DS anyway

warm parcel
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Right

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If only

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Vulpera with wings fwowi

arctic walrus
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They’re not beating out mythic fonts and corals

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The need about an additional 30% buff I believe to be up At least up to par

weak rose
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is there anyone here that does log reviews? its not for me so i would prefer it be in dm (or if im in the wrong channel please let me know, i didnt see one when i glanced around)

arctic walrus
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Pog a useful minion

weak rose
arctic walrus
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Ty for help whenever I drop by frost channel

weak rose
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always happy to help 😄

arctic walrus
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I can review them but I’m at work rn so can’t atm

weak rose
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all good

warm parcel
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I can aswell

weak rose
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if you dont mind if i could dm, that would be great

warm parcel
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Go ahead

rigid mango
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!mute @strange python 4h stop filter dodging after reapeatidly hitting it, it's there for a reason.

quasi pewter
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imagine getting filtered or trying to dodge

rigid mango
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Yeah dude.

sinful tangle
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Are dungeonslice sims reliable for Sin? Or is

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That outlaw only?

rigid mango
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Outlaw only

strange python
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HEY

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how do u guys use razor coral?

leaden lichen
strange python
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Is it worth holding TB 10 sec to line it up with worldvein resonance?

crimson palm
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If you're at 99% pushing for 100% it might make a difference

shrewd iron
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someone told me yday that you shouldn't hold tb from worldvein :S

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Now I'm confused

crimson salmon
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has the pin been updated for what to take with your fourth heart slot?

shrewd iron
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nope

warm parcel
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what ever sims highest for you

crimson palm
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@shrewd iron you shouldn't because you'll lose TB casts in the long run. You could do it only if that TB is the last one you cast for some minor dps gain

quasi scroll
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Anybody use a macro to apply razor coral?

drowsy snow
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Yes, use trinket slot one

shrewd iron
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ok thx @crimson palm

cobalt pelican
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you can't really macro coral to any ability you use

split veldt
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i just noticed simcraft is simming me with focused resolve instead of unbridled fury, is resolve better?

cobalt pelican
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they're pretty close right now, unbridled wins for most people

split veldt
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word

versed bobcat
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Erm. Something I'm wondering about - do I use WVEIN like Guardian? Just after tb before vanish / env? Because at pull u don't have shards yet,or do I?

cobalt pelican
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the major forces you to 3 shards and you'll have 1 from somewhere

serene osprey
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my sim says use it pre vendetta on pull, for what its worth

quasi scroll
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if anyone else is running wv you'll always have at least 1 up I think

vagrant tapir
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Just to confirm

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That infinitely scaling azerite trait that is based off our neck level was scrapped right?

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Our azerite powers dont scale with our neck level, that was replaced by the cloak level scalingf

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Hearing a lot of conflicting information about this

dark crag
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The traits do scale with necklevel, but 80 is max. Cloak will get +2 cor resi per lvl after max

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Cor procs don't scale with ap anymore but with the itemlvl where they are on

toxic burrow
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5 minute, 50 second fight on Ra-den. "2 out of 5 possible casts" of Vanish. errr

quiet parrot
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Looking to confirm. The best way to sim for M+ is to use the Dungeon Slice?

dark crag
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Stick to raden on hc, orbs are not worth it

latent gazelle
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Unless something has changed you don’t sim Sin in dslice

toxic burrow
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Oh, I plan on sticking to Raden after experiencing him that first night. It just throws me off that it says 2 out of 5 Vanish casts instead of 2 out of 3.

ashen solar
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You never simmed sin in dslice

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afaik

quiet parrot
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What option do you choose for M+ then?

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Hectic add cleave?

rigid mango
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Just diff mob counts.

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Or just follow general guidelines

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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
strange python
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@toxic burrow did you have vop minor equipped?

ancient raven
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!guide

prisma monolithBOT
dull lava
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Anyone able to help with a quick rotation question?

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After a very long time farming, I finally have both Coral and Font. I would operate under the assumption that Font should be used approx five secs before pull on a boss, then prepot, stealth, opener rotation which would include Vendetta. From that point forward, how is Coral used? On CD? Do I pool stacks and use with Vendetta or continue to try and line up Font with Vendetta?

royal lantern
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its in the pins

dark crag
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With vendetta

royal lantern
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apply coral on cd, then use it with vendetta

vague rock
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what do people do for tracking bleeds in aoe?

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and how many targets do you keep bleeds on before you just focus on envenom

white wyvern
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I use plater and have bleeds setup as a special debuff.

candid jasper
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The buff to the trinkets looks like it still isn't enough to compare to a 445 coral

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That's a shame, or perhaps I'm mistaken

strange python
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does vision of perfection procced vendetta also give 60 energy?

teal mica
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How many targets should be up before you use Crimson Tempest?

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Is just two enough?

latent field
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
rigid mango
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@teal mica yuh

civic forge
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so what's like the ideal m+ assassin azerite setup, 3 eb but what else you care about? 1 ss i assume?

latent field
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Take a look at high io sin rogues

white wyvern
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3x EB and 3x SS.

civic forge
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thanks

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is this true even on tyrannical weeks? like you wouldn't sac some SS for more ST damage like DD or w/e

polar cape
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DD is useless on trash

white wyvern
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^^

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Not worth it even in Tyr because trash.

civic forge
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alrighty. fair enough

latent field
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Get yourself 6x laser matrix pog

balmy kraken
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Where does worldvein fit in the MA opener?

latent gazelle
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same as BoTe

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or CLF

balmy kraken
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right before vanish?

upper ether
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Is heart of darknes a decent trade or is it a sim bait?

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trait*

rigid mango
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@balmy kraken just before vend

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@upper ether how can it be simbait

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@civic forge fyi SS > DD in short boss fights, DD is really just good on extended fights hence its raid usage.

civic forge
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gotcha. makes sense

echo cargo
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SS for parsing zergs, DD if you’re not trolling lol

rigid mango
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SS isn't horrible in any way shape or form.

desert kelp
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is there any point in going into mechagon workshop with AoE azerites?

rigid mango
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The aoe is quite limited but the bridge is real scary

desert kelp
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was thinking if for awaken and bosses it would be more valuable to do a solid 10k more ST

rigid mango
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aslong as you're not sacrificing SS' for it, possibly worth it

desert kelp
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10-15k*

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aight

strange python
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Hello guys i had break after Azshara Mythic how good is rogue so far in raid?

cursive cloak
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I have the option of another NP on my helm, should I take it or stick with TTK?

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quasi pewter
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sim it

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but np>ttk

cursive cloak
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just come back from a long ass break and rogues seem to be kinda dead ad buried and now the place is over run with DH's

vital haven
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i mean dhs are the best melee

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overall

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but rogues are still solid

timber meadow
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what's the code to incraese my corruption for a sim

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want to see what heart of darkness will do for me but my corruption is to low so wanna force it on the sim

rigid mango
wide ridge
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wtf why is unbound force major is simming highest for me

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lol

median thorn
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Do you have rank 3 in the others?

wide ridge
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yeah

rigid mango
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Feel free to link the sim

wide ridge
median thorn
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Increased crit rating maybe?

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Its only just higher

sour wraith
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You didn't use condensed, WV, or crucible as major

wide ridge
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yeah i came back to my rogue in 8.3, don't have clf or blood essences unfortunately

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just surprised me that it got the highest dps

faint harness
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you dont have those

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but you have rank 4 lucid

wide ridge
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yeah i did dailys on 3 diff toons

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nazjatar ones

rigid mango
vague rock
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what trinkets are best for assa in the current patch?

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is haste one from wrathion any good

sterile ocean
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yes it is

rigid mango
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All of the ones from new patch are beaten by font coral (:

toxic burrow
rigid mango
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Wouldn't say wrathion trink is particularly good either.

toxic burrow
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5 minute, 50 second fight. That's what I was talking about earlier.

rigid mango
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Is that wowA?

toxic burrow
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Yuppers.

rigid mango
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It's bad for sin

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Not kept up to date

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Wouldn't recommend it

toxic burrow
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Haha. That makes sense. When I looked at the other two sins it showed the correct Vanish data though so I was...confused.

whole mantle
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i use iris after or before CT on M+?

covert basalt
rigid mango
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@whole mantle before

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Keep on farming m+ and try to do raid

fallen compass
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Is it ever correct to reapply dots prior to pandemic window when TB is about to be up?

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just so you only envenom when in the TB buff

arctic walrus
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@rigid mango think 1 eb would be the play in upper mecha?

rigid mango
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Uhh, probably?

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@fallen compass yes if it's within 3~ sec of hitting the pandemic window

fallen compass
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Thanks!

topaz wasp
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big yikes when 430 font is betteer than 460 + socket vita trinket

sterile ocean
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🤔 hmmm

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only +33 dps is it worth it

magic mist
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Hello everyone, I decided to pick up my rogue, did some reading, i tried outlaw, i personally don't care for it, is there any real issue playing assassination in pve?

supple pelican
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sin is fine

civic palm
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No.

magic mist
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okay, thanks

faint owl
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For 2-3 target cleave should I use 2 SS or 1 SS and stack TTK

golden quartz
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Hey guys, I recently picked up Assassination as my main spec, and I had a question regarding the Envenom buff

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Should I be waiting to re-apply Envenom if I'm not energy capped until pandemic range, or should I spam it as soon as I have 4-5 CP?

white wyvern
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Waiting is fine as long as you are not over capping and there is no movement coming up. Waiting isn't really a huge DPS gain either though.

golden quartz
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Alright, thank you!

sterile ocean
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is there a crit cap for rogues or no?

rigid mango
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no

sterile ocean
cobalt pelican
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font coral doesn't like

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exactly work right in the apl with subterfuge ss for some reason

subtle tundra
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have you tried going with hod instead of ss and ma over subterfuge?

cobalt pelican
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like, font is getting pressed at 1:55 and vend isn't getting pressed to 2:31

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he doesn't have the corruption to enable it besides a td ring which sucks

subtle tundra
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ah

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unlucky

cobalt pelican
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probably something that should be looked into cause it'd explain why ss builds like actually suck ass now

plain moon
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@arctic walrus even as nightly scale is simming better for me now with new corruption. Can i finally pog or am i idiot again?

arctic walrus
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idk

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what do you have written in custom apl

quasi pewter
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his custom apl doesnt use font with vendetta

plain moon
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fuck yeah your right

quasi pewter
plain moon
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forgot to get rid of this apl when i was testing something before

quasi pewter
plain moon
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it was fonting early pre pull

cobalt pelican
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unlucky for humming dragonscale of wrathion

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nearly won

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maybe next time

plain moon
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was so excited about it i forgot to get rid of that

drifting cloud
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atleast you sim 1k more now!

plain moon
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dont try to half glass full me

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I am depressed now

drifting cloud
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hey mythic socket one its probably pretty close

plain moon
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mythic wont rng socket tho right

whole mantle
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with CT i have to use in Single target too? or is not worth it?

drifting cloud
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you dont use ct on st

onyx hedge
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Its impossible getting my raid team to think that worldvein is better *sigh

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1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th in the order that we do them all requires stacking

arctic walrus
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11/12 require stacking and make wv worth it lol

latent field
honest plaza
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Would anyone please tell me the stats im looking for in drops to start my assas raiding set? crit haste?

strange python
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so question, mainly playing m+ but still kinda fucked with azerite traits. currently have 1 SS and 1 EB do i go poison bomb or crimson tempest in m+?

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also do i got 1 nothing personal over 2 twist the knife or do i prefer twist the knife

rigid mango
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@honest plaza all of them are really close just sim it honestly it's the only answer, esp w corr

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@strange python CT for all but kr/siege/tyr ToS, ttk>np apart from 1np in kr/siege is dope.

strange python
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great tyvm 🙂

honest plaza
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ah ok thx

true pelican
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anyone have experience playing with 50+ corruption in raid? how big of a detriment is it?

cobalt pelican
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an annoyance that can cause death but will likely remain just an annoyance

harsh sphinx
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i would say it's "manageable" but can def mess you up if you're not paying attention

cobalt pelican
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just picture it as like a 10% chance you randomly die out of nowhere

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probably not for prog, fine on hc/meme raids

true pelican
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I guess I'll play it in heroic but drop down to 39 for mythic prog

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numbers are stupid though with higher corruption

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actually silly

heady ridge
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is there any consensus on ra-den trinket set being good for rogue?

arctic walrus
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consensus is that they're bad and don't beat out font/coral anytime soon

heady ridge
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so is there anything worth chasing in the raid? besides I guess carapace dagger and azerites

cobalt pelican
#

there are some things about the titanshards that might make them like actually good but i'm not sure

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like currently the voidshard is simming at 50% uptime on it's crit buff, and as far as i can see the titanic empowerment buff (set bonus) isn't granted at all

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it's possible it's under another buff name that i'm missing though

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or it's not a buff at all, and just a stat given

heady ridge
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its like titanic empowerment or something like that

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I heard

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o wait you just said that

cobalt pelican
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if it's an actual buff it's not showing as granted in the sim at all (orb not collected), so it's possible the set is actually gamer gear but not yet known

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i'd definitely hold onto them if you get one or the other of them

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the void shard default sims at 50% uptime on the shield

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which is like

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i'm not sure how accurate that would be? it obviously varies a bit encounter to encounter

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it's only like a 70k shield so it's not unreasonable for the default to be breaking at 7 seconds into the crit buff but yea

heady ridge
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guess it wouldnt be that good on Maut :^)

cobalt pelican
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yeah it's the kinda thing that idk, the void shard might just tank the set on some fights to being unusable

heady ridge
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and Torment in a Jar I pressume is good on aoe only?

cobalt pelican
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currently yea

unkempt solstice
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why is rogue so low on the dps rankings?

rigid mango
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Which ones

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If u link me noxxic I'll close discord

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And go to sleep

balmy condor
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Link noxxic

rigid mango
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Please, I'd love some sleep

unkempt solstice
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I was looking at noxxic, is it not accutrate?

balmy condor
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lul the mad lad

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Noxxic hasn’t been accurate for 5-6 years

unkempt solstice
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who would you use?

balmy condor
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Warcraftlogs

rigid mango
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It's fucking atrocious

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Noxxic has never been good

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And never will be

drifting cloud
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noxxic is literally a website that lives off ad revenue

rigid mango
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An actual joke of a shitter site.

drifting cloud
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some of the legion sims were so hillarious, like demo lock 30% higher than everything else

balmy condor
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I remember it being close to good in like mop

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But then it just shit itself again instantly

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Noxxic and AMR are verboten

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Get that trash out of here

strange python
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What the fuck is noxxic even

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Is noxxic the icyveins version of Warcraft logs?

balmy condor
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Noxxic is the dumpster fire version of icyveins

strange python
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Oh boy

versed bobcat
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If you could decide for 2 bosses which u will be preferrebly able to loot, which would you pick? (except last two) and regarding outlaw offspecc, too. Let me hear some opinions <3

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Mythic, that is

raven locust
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
rancid bobcat
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Wration and ra den is pretty obvious

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Then whatever gives you the best ilvl upgrades

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Since there's no titanforging

strange python
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corruption system is nice now, either stars or void or scrap gear ionsadhours

rancid bobcat
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Possibly heroic carapace and nzoth

strange python
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Raden trinkets viable now after buff?

stable isle
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if you scrap gushing wound you're inting

strange python
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Or wound yes

rancid bobcat
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Eh people are freaking out I think a bit too much about corruption still

strange python
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@versed bobcat roll for last hc bosses on azerite pieces i

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ig*

rancid bobcat
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Yeah it sucks not to get one but you'll eventually get saturated

strange python
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and craft head

stable isle
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corruption is fine

rancid bobcat
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Esp with the gating

strange python
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I got like 10 corruption pieces, all with garbage corruptions, while ppl simming 15k more just by beeing lucky, ofc we freak out

rancid bobcat
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High chance of more nerfs still to come

stable isle
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its not even mythic week dude lol

strange python
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It's titanforging but worse

stable isle
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chill with people simming higher than you

strange python
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@strange python got the 3rd biss one

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bis*

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but on outlaw

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lel

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why can outlaw use daggers as offand but assa cant use swords as offhand 😦

rancid bobcat
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Class Fanta sea

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Bring back relics

grave trail
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Gearing for sin so fun this patch u need 6 different azerite pieces since they cant do both ST and AoE KEK

echo cargo
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same as always xd

grave trail
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Meh not really for EP u only realistically do it for Orgozoa if ya wanted to parse or just play outlaw

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Blizzard should prob implement EB by default in our kit or something cause if you count M+ that's a whole other set for SS build kek

faint harness
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Ye that wouldnt be broken at all

grave trail
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Obviously you would balance it

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By what other spec needs 3 different builds?

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Lmfao I'm just gonna play warrior or DH and do all

faint harness
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Just play outlaw and use bf if you want aoe

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Nobody really cares about parsing until its later in the tier anyway

grave trail
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Like 1 or 2 months later y mean
How am I gonna have fun till shadowlands

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If not by parsing kek

faint harness
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You will skip until 2 last bosses and play other games

grave trail
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Or roll DH sounds good : ) I rather play DH than outlaw

wanton pond
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is it normal for pb to sim better in dungeon slice than CT?

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seems a bit strangee

faint harness
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Dungeon slice is kinda bad for sin

wanton pond
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hmmm

sterile ocean
arctic walrus
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did you sell your font by chance

deft vault
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So whats the plan for trinkets now for assa?

sterile ocean
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no i still have it

arctic walrus
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don't see it in your top gear though

sterile ocean
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its in my bank

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its nerfed atm

arctic walrus
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okay well

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Do you have 0 max as your corruption limit?

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you can throw on lethal strikes to put you down to 38

sterile ocean
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with this ring i got 48

arctic walrus
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and then font will get better, and then wv major will be better

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yeah i'm aware but like I said, lethal strikes is -10

deft vault
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Font/coral or coral/inkpod?

arctic walrus
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font coral

deft vault
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think thats gonna be better than vita/coral? or both raaden trinket?

strange python
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both vitas kinda trash

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coral still gona be bis

arctic walrus
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if we take sims at face value, those trinkets are still bad compared to our ep combination. It could be a fault in the sims however, but we'll have to wait and see on that

sterile ocean
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it wont let me sim all that

deft vault
#

In vanish windows if you only get 3 cmbo from mutilate do you envenom or mutilate again ?

onyx hedge
sterile ocean
onyx hedge
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Farmed over 30+ 6s now and no decent corruption

sterile ocean
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i simmed with leathal strikes and notta

onyx hedge
versed bobcat
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@rancid bobcat why is da-den such an obvious roll? I mean he drops ol weapons with single target corrupted. Trinkets aren't sure to be good. And engi helmet mythic is a solid choice till ra-den

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I'm not talking bout bonus rolls - I need to choose 2 'major need"-bosses for raid. But not more than 2

faint harness
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2 last bosses

onyx hedge
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That feeling when you are simming at 52k dps and people are simming at 65k dps and you are still beating them :I

strange python
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u beat them >_>

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try dog fight

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kek

sterile ocean
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also @arctic walrus

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dosent show still

faint harness
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did you check the corruption slider in the sim input?

sterile ocean
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umm i cant sim it with the ring

faint harness
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what does this say for you

sterile ocean
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48

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it gives me over 100 combos and i dont pay for raidbots

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oh thats why

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Vel keeps telling me to sim with font even tho its not gonna work lul

arctic walrus
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You got rid of the ring or bank again

sterile ocean
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i dident get rid of the ring

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the way im looking at it im gonna have to wait tel my cloaks higher to put it on

arctic walrus
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38 is more than manageable

sterile ocean
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unless i find a replacement for my belt cause it has 25 and my cloak resists 27

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i have it equiped lol

arctic walrus
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This one

sterile ocean
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yes

spark sky
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smiyo: isn't lash of the void aoe though, not a single target corruption

sterile ocean
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@arctic walrus

light pebble
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anyone have a weak aura for TB duration so I know how long i got left

strange python
#

hey , i wanted to know when i should pop blood in m+ as assa rogue ? on ST & cleav

harsh sphinx
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pretty sure there's a tb one in miz's pack

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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
icy ember
tropic ocean
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@strange python

copper hollow
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Be honest with me here, how completely ruined are my stats for raiding?

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versed mica
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Not too bad, need more haste tho

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I'm assuming lucid dreams is probably your best major lmao

copper hollow
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15% is on the ultra low end, isn't it?

versed mica
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Yeah I think so

copper hollow
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Yeah, so, i just got back to the game, and i only have rank 1 lucid.

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Don't even have flying yet, lmao

versed mica
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lucid ranks are easier to get bc blizzard nerfed the rep requirement

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Until you get your first minor, always use lucid major

copper hollow
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I was told that blood of the enemy was really good, so, i got myself this:

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versed mica
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I'd sim yourself. bote isn't as good till rank 3

copper hollow
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Oh

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Alright, I'll give it a shot.

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Thanks for the help, btw. <3

versed mica
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Like I said, with your low haste lucid will probably be the best major for you, even at rank 1

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But I might be wrong

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gl

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also, get rid of that cannon trinket asap

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it's simbait, it's garbage

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it sims way higher than it should

copper hollow
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Oh, wait, really?

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I thought it was like super good

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I even have 2 of them.

versed mica
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Yeah, sims sim it like a true patchwork fight

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any sort of movement, or even bad geometry positioning makes it really bad

copper hollow
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Oh, i see.

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You reckon i should use my 425 Dice instead?

versed mica
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yes 100%, dice is a decent one

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esp in M+

copper hollow
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Oh, sweet, thanks.

versed mica
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np

fathom wyvern
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so is CLF still one of the best ST majors? ive heard rumors of it only simming goot and not playing out best in pracise

versed mica
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it is, but it's looking like worldvein +3 and lucid are better majors rn

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however

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sim yourself first, for some CLF is still simming better

fathom wyvern
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worldvein is a 500 dps increase if 3 uses

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but how do you play it out in practise?

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use at the same time as youd use CLF? pre each vendetta window?

versed mica
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Yeah, use it on cd to try and line up with ven. Unfortunately, higher movement fights will prob make it suffer a bit. CLF or lucid might be better in those situations

strange python
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I gladly use clf oder wv, clf is just press and go, wv. Wv loses value by moving and you barely patchwerk a boss

fathom wyvern
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how do you play out lucid major tho?

versed mica
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it might be better to wait on using worldvein if you know a boss mechanic is coming up thats gonna move ya

fathom wyvern
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how do you use lucid as a major tho?

versed mica
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Uhh you'd have to check out a rogue guide for that, it's been awhile since I've used it. If I remember correctly, you use it after ven falls off?

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Either that or use it with ven. Can't remember

fathom wyvern
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so with the TB after vend?

tropic ocean
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u pop lucid during vendetta

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when u are out of energy

versed mica
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Oh yeah, that's what it was, thanks

fathom wyvern
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oh so kinda after the TB window in vendetta?

tropic ocean
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when u are out of energy

versed mica
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Approx yes? But it's more important to use it when low on energy so you don't overcap like crazy

fathom wyvern
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ye ofc

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bote still better for fights like the tentacle you gain a dmg buff for tho?

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since its a burst window of dmg you need?

tropic ocean
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long time ago

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but still functions the same

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basically when u cant press anything else anymore

fathom wyvern
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same time you wanna use belf racial as a belf then i guess?

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to gain energy to continue

tropic ocean
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probably use it after lucid

fathom wyvern
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Yee ofc

tropic ocean
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because during lucid u have a hard time to not overcap

fathom wyvern
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i ment like if you dont run lucif major 😄

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lucid simming same as CLF weird?

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or, +- 50 dps

tropic ocean
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theres nothing weird

fathom wyvern
tropic ocean
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each character is very unique due to items/stats/corruptions/essences

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if it sims best for u, use it

fathom wyvern
#

but if they sim the same when is lucid stronger than CLF and vice versa?

tropic ocean
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lucid has more burst iirc

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clf is just dmg

fathom wyvern
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ah

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and how do you play worldvein in pratcise?

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use before each vend window?

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and on CD for 2nd thats outside of it?

tropic ocean
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wv is 1min

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so u just useit on cd

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and it will line with every vendetta

fathom wyvern
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so use it before first vend then on cd?

gritty linden
#

what is sequence would it be like vendetta world toxic vanish envenom?

fathom wyvern
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world vend TB vanish env?

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to not lose a global inside vend window id guess

gritty linden
#

i feel like u could let your energy recoup a bit with the one global and not lose damage up time but idk would need someone much better than me to answer haha

fathom wyvern
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you shouldnt be starved entering vend tho

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and vend does give you energy regen

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but BotE should still be best for burst window fights like draz right?

onyx hedge
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eh

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I would love to be able to run world but people dont want to bother trying it

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It gonna become irrelevant because of ilvl agi increase

crimson palm
#

Vita-charged is the only viable trinket to use with coral?

onyx hedge
#

how much vers are people running

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im actually running fucking no vers, not simming very well. 79 vers....

rigid mango
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Whatever sims the highest

tropic ocean
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@fathom wyvern u shouldnt be starved but also shouldnt be full before using vendetta

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personally I do wv - vendetta tb vanish envenom

fathom wyvern
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ye kinda what i thought

dreamy schooner
#

anyone know a good WA for bleeds and poisons?

tepid ridge
#

what's the best setup as sin rogue for corruptions? <39 obviously I guess

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can we stack gushing wound on multiples items?

strange python
#

yeah

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you can

white wyvern
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
versed bobcat
#

@faint harness i need to call 2 major bosses where I will be in on progress for "best loot". (not counting last 2 bosses). For now, I'm about to say vexiona for chest and wrathion for assa and ol weapons. (to be in on every wrathi to get a weapon w/ corruption forge). Or vexiona / ra-den cuz of that weapon (which has shitty stats and a not - so good corruption effect and trinkets which are not safe pick yet).

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That's my dilemma kinda

proven talon
#

would anyone actually suggest CT over hidden blades with tripple EB in M+?

white wyvern
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Never Hidden Blades.

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PB in KR, Siege, and Tyr ToS. CT everything else.

proven talon
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ima try ct for a bit

rigid mango
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The long awaited

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8.3 Corruption

Gushing Wounds
This effect is really good for single target and currently the highest dps/corr effect you can find, but only drops with 15 corruption. Doesn't help cleave but doesn't get punished, pretty much always a good choice.

Echoing Void
This is probably the alround best choice for sin in the upcoming nyalotha tier, it's very good for single target, gets better with cleave and is never going to be bad for any encounter. It's also a top choice for m+ because of all of this. Echoing Void Recieved highly impactful nerfs not only numbers wise but the removal of detection spam to work with it, it's now one of the worst corruptions available in every form of content.

Infinite Stars
Probably the most controversial of them all, Infinite Stars has been nerfed time and time again and even though the popular belief of how good it is, it still suffers a lot from multi target fights because of the lack of concentraded procs onto the main target as it can missfire onto anything you're in combat with. It will be a top choice for any single target boss.

Over everything I will once again advocate for simming yourself, top gear is an amazing tool to help you when you have questions about these or the other effects present in this current patch. The different corruption effects impact your values a lot. Apart from the aforementioned effects, there are still a lot of them that are really good.

rigid mango
hexed bloom
#

Hello, not sure where to post this but here goes

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I've been told DFT benefits Sword rogues more than dagger rogues

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could you lot confirm this assertion

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and tell me to which extent is landing white hits with swords more valuable than daggers

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ty kindly

rigid mango
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Is this classic stuff?

hexed bloom
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it is

rigid mango
hexed bloom
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thought it was a classic discord, mb ^^

runic tinsel
#

Is visions of perfection worth getting as assa? it must be pretty good to make it line up better with vendetta I assume?

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i mean, make vendetta line up better with BotE :p

rigid mango
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It's good for m+ yeah

runic tinsel
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Oh, not for single target fights?

rigid mango
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Nope, vend + vanish is too big.

runic tinsel
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I see, thank you

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Gotta sim whats best for my essences... sucks that it takes forever to get rank 3 on WV... thought i would get it before tursday raid but its sunday and i still wont get it before raidtime 😦

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Is flame usually the best for ST for assa?

rigid mango
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not really, WV is really good, so is blood and CLF

runic tinsel
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I see.. Flame simmed slightly higher than all of those for me as Major essence

deep fractal
#

Is there a preferred way to set up raidbots to sim m+? Dungeon slice is giving me traits I would call...questionable

vestal wren
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but as every m+ script it has diffrent issues

ripe gulch
#

why is vers simming high on my sin rogue?

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higher than mastery

rigid mango
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Whatever sims the best

deep fractal
#

that was exactly what I needed @vestal wren thank you

rough yarrow
#

anyones else infinite star doesnt proc? 2 m+ 2 rated bgs and 15 mins now on dummy not a single proc

worn basin
#

A guildy of mine wasn't seeing it proc on a dummy either, should work elsewhere though

rough yarrow
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well 1 hour in bgs and dungeons should have proc

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like once......

ashen solar
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IS doesnt proc on dummies

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As for the other stuff, that's odd

royal lantern
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if your stuff never procs at all, take the pieces off and eq them again

rough yarrow
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i did like 20 times. its either bug or they broke it to proc very rarely or im unlucky af

frail gate
#

anyone know if/when bloodmallet will be updated with new gear

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I am very lazy and do not sim or test things

covert basalt
#

Say, Is Breath of the Dying really OP or something? its still stronger for me than my BOTE rank 2

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(when I sim)

ashen solar
#

bote rank 2 is garbage

rigid mango
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bote is pretty shit until r3

covert basalt
#

Im... not willing at the moment to farm any more honor

tropic surge
#

if i collect 500 conquest i will get a good axe in pvp, any way that i can get a dagger instead?

covert basalt
#

yes

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its an option

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You get 4 options, 2 are daggers

tropic surge
#

oh nice

stray folio
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
unborn barn
#

raidbots is telling me rank 2 essence of the focusing iris is my best major essence for single target

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I feel like I am being lied to

subtle tundra
#

well what essences do you have

unborn barn
#

recently getting back into things, so not great I admit, Rank 2 are Memory of lucid dreams, the unbound force and vision of perfection

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rest are r1, dont have CLF

subtle tundra
#

get better essences and then sim yourself

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simming at low gear isnt worth the time

unborn barn
#

I see , thanks for your input

sudden bay
#

Guys

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The assassination page on the website is down

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for some reason

ashen solar
#

Use icy veins

split furnace
#

Is CLF rank 3 still needed? As for trinkets do I really really really need both coral and font? I assume coral is stil bis but the second is a bit optional am I wrong ?

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I see all top rogs logs use font and Coral in every fight so :/

shut garnet
#

yep font and coral are bis

arctic walrus
#

If you can’t get a 445 font, then new raid trinkets might be better for you. As for coral, It’s probably still worth the pick up, heroic or mythic

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Clf isn’t that great anymore, and in your raids you should try and run worldvein major

shut garnet
#

has anyone simmed to see at what level would the new trinkets beat font coral?

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actually kinda curious monkascheme

split furnace
#

Need to bonus roll that fucking coral till September t.t

arctic walrus
#

A 490 dragonscale is on par with a 445 font @shut garnet

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Raden trinkets even higher than that probably

split furnace
#

Switched from a fury warrior full bis for this patch , I fill a bit stupid right now xD

young portal
#

Are the 10% buffs implemented on raidbots yeah?

arctic walrus
#

Going from fury to rogue reallyBruh

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Yes

young portal
#

So still shit then, ta

split furnace
#

@arctic walrus when you want to change class , I think rog its a good choise for m+ and raid and pvp compared to war

minor thicket
#

is TTK worth using if your spec under subterfuge?

rigid mango
#

It's never bad

minor thicket
#

regardless for M+ or raid?

rigid mango
#

p much

hollow stone
#

Rip ttk. You were fun for a time

shut garnet
#

you never know, might come back this season

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didnt really look to see what seli’s been playing around with in m+

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but he was speculating it might make a comeback

opal urchin
#

with how many worldvein allies do you guys sim for raid?

prime merlin
#

4

tepid ridge
#

is the vita charged changes already up on live?

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I've seen a buff/fix on herodamage etc

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but unsure if it's for next LO or this one

buoyant kraken
hybrid magnet
rigid mango
#

Yup

hybrid magnet
#

!stats

prisma monolithBOT
#

Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > vers => mastery > haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

prime merlin
#

@buoyant kraken 0 WV allies

buoyant kraken
#

ye no one using wv for this fight

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just seems weird with crucible, as wv with 0 allies has simmed like 3-400 over bote and crucible the last couple of days

subtle tundra
#

any idea why haste sims so bad for me?

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14% haste

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could be my minors but still 14 is really low

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also didnt sim my sockets yet

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could actually be lower

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i dont like low haste

gusty mirage
#

how bad is "so bad" in terms of stat weights?

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just ran your stat weights, it's not entirely terrible. But I think your iris minor with 3x OP and quick nav enchant probably makes the sim value crit & vers by significantly more (crit is 6.7, vers 6.59, and haste is 5.2)

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echoing void probably has something to do w ith it too, but idk enough about how the corruption stuff works to say anything about that

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just off the top of my head, I think vers might increase the dmg of it and more crit is never a bad thing until the sim tells you otherwise

subtle tundra
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uff i guess ill see later in the patch with max ilvl gear

gusty mirage
#

yeah I feel like the corruption stuff has made it a lot more complicated than it was before

void pecan
#

I agree. I have % mastery from corruption on something and it's like GET ALL TEH MASTERY

elder nacelle
#

wheres the assassination guide? keep getting 404 error

rigid mango
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Stuffs happening

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Chill a bit

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use wowhead/icyveins

elder nacelle
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sorry its just i was gonna run a dung as assassination and was looking

short token
#

IS anyone having issues with vanish+ subterfuge? i'm 100% vanishing but not getting the SS opener on certain fights

slow mountain
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@subtle tundra youre running triple OP, 2 haste minors (iris/bote) quicknav/force, and youre a troll(berserking), thats going to bring haste down quite a bit, also if you have any kind of corruption specifically void like you do, that will bring verse scaling up

vague rock
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does the coral usage change if running CLF? like instead of using coral for vendetta, use it with CLF 2nd cast

rigid mango
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Nope

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Same old same old

lost wharf
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Hmm, Subterfuge sims better than MA even w/o a single SS trait. Why ?

rigid mango
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It scales better

lost wharf
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How so? Am I supposed to use Garrote then even with no trait?

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Coz even if I offer him to take Garrote traits he still rather takes double dose

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I thought he would at least take 1 somewhere, but straight up takes only double dose

polar cape
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The only time, so far, SS is better is on cleave fight and sub 2min burst

lost wharf
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Okay, but do I still use Garrote or just stick with the normal opener?

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Btw, the sin guide link in the channel description gives me a 404

drifting cloud
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the website is down atm

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or wait hmm its not

lost wharf
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I would ping some1 for it, but Idk who or if it's necessarry

rigid mango
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Yes you use garrote without any traits

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You go back to old opener, gar > mut > rup, afaik

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It scales better bec of % dmg increase instead of flat 50% crit

deft vault
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Thoughts on alchemy trinket?

candid jasper
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humming black dragonscale is simming at 1k less than dead-eye spyglass (15 ilvl lower)

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:/

rigid mango
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@deft vault mediocre at best

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@candid jasper yep shit trink

candid jasper
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I have void twisted titan shard too but not the vita, someone was saying both together are BiS

covert basalt
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Say, would it be alright if I drop a Log here and you guys could tell me what I am doing wrong?

junior flume
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Is it just me or is the N'zoth fight shit? During Psychus phase everything dies so quick that you either end up energy starved cause of no bleeds or no dps cause you're putting up bleeds and not much else. Or am I doing something entirely wrong on this fight?

deft vault
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@junior flume Felt the same way

junior flume
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Some of it is probably just due well geared toons killing the tentacles too fast, but man...

hollow stone
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Just pump vend into every nzoth phase and look at just boss dmg

tender folio
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Any suggestions about 4th essence in the neck ?

hollow stone
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Thats what sin does on that fight

vague rock
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tfw u overwrite a empowered garrote nya

junior flume
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Yea that's sorta what I was doing but it just feels so meh

crimson palm
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@junior flume dot up psychus, envenom each tentacle once and while moving keep dps up on psychus

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cds on n'zoth, overlaps with each 'intermission'

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my bigger issue is Font on that fight, there's no way you can use it together with coral though

rigid mango
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Idk I just keep psychus perma dotted and dot tentacles for energy regen every other tent ish~

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keep spamming tb's on it and have high coral stacks

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at 15%~ you get 4+ cp and channel font

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click your body and pop cds when u come out

crimson palm
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how much boss dmg did u do on your hc kill?

rigid mango
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14 mil?

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ish

hot urchin
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hey all, sorry if this has been stated already, but i just hit 75 on my neck, whats the best combo for pure ST for essences?

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checked the guide and i dont think i saw anything

rigid mango
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Whatever sims best honestly

fresh robin
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Just returned to live - best way to farm corrupted items? speed running m6+ atm or something?

fathom wyvern
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vision (hc) and clear several rooms

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m6

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assault

fresh robin
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cheers ty, what lvl cloak do you need* for several rooms? im barely able to do like 2 bonus rooms at lvl 3 or 4 cloak

fathom wyvern
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@fresh robin its more of a question of how fast you can blast it, the memento upgrades helps alot, but i did my first 3 room clear with rank 3 back

rigid mango
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(^:

fresh robin
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@fathom wyvern roger , ill just get good, my gear was frozen in time when classic came out, least i have 445 weps i suppose 😛

static acorn
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Does anyone know if the Guardian of Azeroth benefitted from your stats? Was simming stat weights w/ worldvein and saw that despite losing the haste buff that the Guardian would give you, haste has become less valuable to me. Guessing it just means that guardian benefitted from your stats but can't find anything saying that would be the case. Mastery also became much more valuable, and crit became less valuable too. That was the only change made between the 2 instances of stat weights, so any/all changes are from losing guardian and gaining worldvein

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I know other elementals and pets benefit from player stats so it would make sense, but I haven't seen anything saying that it functioned the same way (I tried looking but mighta just been searching the wrong stuff)

drifting cloud
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he did benefit from haste atleast

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because there was a bug with some classes that had too much haste and it made guardian do some funny things

static acorn
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Hmm. Yeah it would make sense that he would, just surprised I never saw anything mentioning it in rotation guides or theorycrafting when to use him with cd syncs for any classes

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I never saw that bug pop up or anything about it, otherwise that woulda answered my question

drifting cloud
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didnt happen for rogues afaik

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Condensed Life-Force: The Guardian of Azeroth (Essence) pet should no longer have delays between its casts when the player has very high levels of haste.

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22nd November

static acorn
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Hmm. Alright so I guess that just means that losing the benefit of building haste to give to guardian was a more significant loss than losing the haste that it gave me during its uptime

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Doesn't necessarily explain the significant jump in mastery scaling and the dip in crit, but I'm guessing that its probably just something with having the consistent agi buff making mastery better because its more consistent damage or something, idk

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or just that now since all the damage is coming from me and not some from the ele, more of my damage makeup is poisons/bleeds so that becomes worth more. idk

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

drifting cloud
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theres usually way more factors, overanalyzing youll just get in over your head

static acorn
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Yeah but I like overanalyzing. More fun

drifting cloud
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its not like you only removed clf, you also added something instead of it

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and well new patch, people have all types of different gear

static acorn
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Yeah but thats what i'm looking to compare. It's not like I also had to change gloves and trinkets and enchants. I do have a single comparison point

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I ran statweight sims before and after the change to make the comparison

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I could also see it being because CLF was a 3min cd vs 1min worldvein, so you're getting a cd to line up with every vendetta/master assassin burst

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which is a big poison chunk in and of itself, benefitting from increased agility

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Basically I'm just doin this for fun more than anything.

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I enjoy the theoretical stuff and tryna find out why it happened

whole mantle
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when use Pbomb and when use CT in M+?

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CT on high level keys ?

cobalt pelican
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ct in more aoe friendly dungeons (generally larger pulls, less st hard mobs)

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siege, kr and tos usually average lower pull counts and have annoying lieutenant type mobs that would warrant pb

neon sedge
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you guys using hidden blades or crimson this week

shut garnet
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never hidden blades

neon sedge
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im enjoying tempest

whole mantle
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wich the best azerite combinations for M+? i'm using 3 echos 1 Scent of blood 2 Twist

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i saw peaples using 3 of garrote but idk

tiny granite
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you need at least 1 garrote for utility

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but the garrote trait is really good

rigid mango
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need 1 SS

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And it's also the best trait, so is EB

tropic ocean
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ss is by far best trait to stack and eb cant get close dmg wise

gaunt edge
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Hello ! I m a new rogue player for this patch and i dont have razor coral (ashvane trinket). What should i do ? If i dont get it soon, i will lost a lot of DPS and i will never parse good? The difference between this trinket and New raid ones seems so huge in bloodmallet. I dont understand why. Thanks

tropic ocean
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because it gives dmg and a lot of crit

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theres still pug mythic/heroic running in ep so try to yoink one from there

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or do it with ur guild

gaunt edge
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No plans for blizzard to change that/fix it ?

strange python
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Ofc not

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Why would they fix a trinket from last raid tier that has been out for ages

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It's not that it's super strong it's just the new trinkets are shit synergy wise

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I mean it is also strong but not broken,way below broken

gaunt edge
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To be prepared for Nyalotah MM last week i better do EP HC than Nyalotah HC ?

strange python
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So just so EP hc and myth first 4

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I mean doesn't really matter on the order

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But yeah go do EP hc and myth

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I mean if you really are dedicated u can run normal too cuz if u get 415 with socket it's like = 430 no socket

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But finding a group might be hard if you got no logs and low ilvl so good luck with that

gaunt edge
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This is so weird

strange python
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What is?

gaunt edge
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the best trinket in the previous raid

strange python
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Yup

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I mean not the first time bliz does this

gaunt edge
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should i go farm Kimbul too ? Kappa

strange python
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If you find it op you haven't played legion

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Go farm for that guldan trinekrt as warrior lel

rigid mango
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They fixed draught

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That's what people think's gonna happen to font/coral.