many*
#assassination
civic palm
3 per slot or so
civic palm
needs a cloak with a socket anyway O _O
spice surge
Na not for the tradin one
Also it wasnt the cloak one, its the regular
So im gucci
civic palm
regular?
faint harness
regular 
Oh you mean the item he sells
Now you just gotta play the minigame and do some math (?)
spice surge
You dont need the cloak with the bonus for him to sell and extra item
wooden fog
When are the new crit pots available?
spice surge
Yesterday
wooden fog
O_o thanks
faint harness
civic palm
brb getting riggety riggety rich real quick
civic palm
faint harness
Send wa
civic palm
that's SR EU
faint harness
6 available
grim canopy
pots are already less than material costs on my server rip
grim canopy
i just sell matts now lol
rigid mango
cough #wow-general cough
civic palm
O _O 💦
scenic torrent
translation needed i guess
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
stark oxide
So with Lucid, haste will be devalued yeah? Like probably still top ST but not as much?
tawny shell
Yeah my mastery value went wayyy up with lucid on @stark oxide
valid spoke
!essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
gentle path
same, it had me change everything from haste to mastery
and kimbuls is apparently better than harlans
woven bane
is there a list of wich benthic armor is the most worth to upgrade
spice surge
Kimbuls (and all other similar effects that deal damage) where buffed by like 30-40%
spice surge
Yeah it should be
shy axle
the new enchants already included in raidbots sims?
scenic saffron
valid spoke
Any thoughts on swapping 1 NP with TTK when running Memory of Lucid Dreams for Single Target?
scenic saffron
it stills tells me to go haste even though i have lucid equipped on me, is that normal
rigid mango
@valid spoke I don't see why you'd want to
sick pasture
After I equped lucid it told me mastery is top stat is that how it's suppose to be?
valid spoke
@rigid mango You'd be able to run 3x DD, 1 NP, 1 BBI & 1 TTK - TTK getting more value since you'll generally be doing more Envenoms since your energy income is greater with Lucid
royal torrent
Not sure who all this should be directed towards, but I just want to throw out a big thank you! to all the people that spend time making sims so useful for all of us.
rigid mango
Maybe, 
NP is giga though
Sim it, and play after that
I'd assume the two aren't as far from one another as they were before, yet to see any sims indicating how much better ttk is tho
I mean it's just dmg diff
Past first np
And if you need the burst from np in certain occasions, ofc
scenic saffron
How much haste do you have @hollow wraith
sonic bridge
rigid mango
You use it when you drop under 50 energy
Just whenever
Regardless of syncing, whenever you hit sub 50 energ
tribal marlin
Lucid should be used whenever you fall below 50 energy
simple meteor
with bl on opener you should delay abit
rigid mango
Well, you need to hit sub 50
tribal marlin
basically if you can't do any thing on your globalcooldown, push Lucid dream button
crystal vessel
guess I can drop from 25% haste then
rigid mango
If sims tell you to, yeah 
crystal vessel
Sims tell me lucid isnt as good as BotE.
crude raft
!essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
crystal vessel
@spice surge I had changed some azerite. Lucid is 900 higher with the same gear on.
rigid mango
crystal vessel
serene basin
sorry if I'm late to the party here - has anyone run sims on the new weapon enchants
rigid mango
Yes
serene basin
and if so - what are we using as sin?
rigid mango
Force + highest simming stat
serene basin
thank you!
empty badge
mastery
quiet abyss
and what enchants on weapons ?
hollow turtle
How to use opener with master assassin talanted and blood of the enemy essence?
When to use the neck since it's GCD?
bleak spoke
hollow turtle
Alright, ty
grave elk
What’s the name of new weapon enchants
novel rapids
@hollow wraith what does ttk mean?
fleet whale
Twist the knife
and is Worldvein resonance any good or is it trash. I got rank 2 of it today
urban junco
lol
solemn meadow
every new patch
novel rapids
what do u think is the better power of the new neck
vagrant wigeon
what is the best esssence atm ?
tame cobalt
can u like look to the msg right before urs maybe ?
sick cradle
anyone know the lucid passive proc chance?
glass seal
slender smelt
so im guessing lucid is bis?
novel rapids
Better than the vendetta one?
rotund pier
Lucid major for now and then when you get 55 I think lucid minor and I forget the major
solemn meadow
even then
for sims right now
lucid sims the best
you probably want the raid one as majro
lucid as minor
rigid mango
@fleet whale it looks good in m+ with everyone using it
solemn meadow
major*
rotund pier
Yea
regal wharf
do you still stack shrouded suffocation ?
fleet whale
no, but Nothing personal might still be bugged with vision
solemn meadow
bugged?`
fleet whale
something about it not proccing Np when you use a real vendetta
when you have that essence
fleet whale
does it reset it's Cooldown
solemn meadow
and the major will only proc a 7 sec vendetta I believe
rigid mango
Yes
fleet whale
yeah i don't think it's as good as people thought it would be
solemn meadow
with a 7 second np that does 30% of its dmg
and 30% of the energy
since it only has 30% of the duration
fleet whale
for being so basic crucible looks solid but i doubt it will be taken, maybe it's minor
rigid mango
20 sec np
solemn meadow
I would love blood as major
and lucid as minor
but blood is sadly only good at r3
like atleast decent
rigid mango
I think life major + lucid minor
solemn meadow
and blood r2 does 0
rigid mango
Yeh like eleems sims say
rotund pier
Fuck pvping to rank blood tbh
solemn meadow
Life Force is the pet roight?
fleet whale
eww pet
rigid mango
Azerite dude
novel rapids
what is r3?
rigid mango
Rank 3
solemn meadow
its gonna be weird since the pet is like bis for many classes
having 40% of the raid spawnt a pet
at boss start
spice surge
Probably not gonna be bis when you start getting better gear
Since it doesnt scale at all
spice surge
ye
solemn meadow
r4 beam looks 
spice surge
These sims im showing you are with my current gear. If i get 15 more ilvls then life force is gonna look wearer
spice surge
Lucid/flame minor still bis ofc because they scale with gear too, but probably either lucid or blood as major
shell lodge
guys any idea already what spec will be go to on new raid ?
solemn meadow
does flame scale?
spice surge
Oh nvm mb
Early on the ptr the dot from flame was based on like 10% of your damage done during a 5s window or smth
fleet whale
if i ever use r4 with the Laser, im going to macro to say "EXODIA.... OBLITERATE!"
grim canopy
is blood on the gcd
rigid mango
Ye
slender smelt
im guessing deadly an quick navigation are still bis enchants?
sorry for so many questions
shy axle
new enchant + best simming stat
slender smelt
force multiplier?
rigid mango
Yes
slender smelt
on both weapons?
grim canopy
Which benthic is good for Sin
true ingot
What's the optimal use for lucid dreams as a major?
rigid mango
Feet w crit dmg and waist w abberation waidt
Whenever you go under 50 ene @true ingot
solemn meadow
how can they break everything
everytime the patch
mekka is not working as intended
grim canopy
none of the azerite benthic are good?
rigid mango
Regardless of sync, as soon as u go under you pop it
solemn meadow
jaina is doing completely random things
grim canopy
mkay
rigid mango
Check them and see traits for yourself
rigid mango
Where are you looking
That was specific one, but all are there
Scroll up to lucid and look for yourself
grizzled crypt
!essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
grave elk
@rigid mango to get a follower to rank 3? I thought it just was two days of dailies to hit rank 3 follower
Or do you mean to get epic
grave elk
Oh yah I read that it takes a few weeks
grave elk
So does legendary version that same stuff just more time? Or do we not know how to get those. I don’t see it mention how to acquire it
grim canopy
my companion messing up my stealth
tough whale
Legendaries is more time. Rank 4 lucid is every bodyguard to level 30
Aka major time sinks
(For most. Some rank 4s wont be too bad at all)
golden relic
is it even worth to use lucid with vendetta
tough whale
You use about 10/13 seconds into vendetta, when you run out of energy
golden relic
ye figured
tough whale
Dont combine them you'll overcap on energy
rigid mango
You use it whenever sub 50 energy
grim canopy
which food do we use
grave elk
Do we have any idea how the cosmetic differences look? That sounds. Like a massive investment in boring gameplay for something I have no idea if it’s worth
tough whale
And I wouldnt run it on any fight you're CONSTANTLY cleave bleeding. At 2 targets lucid made me overcap really hard on energy
Better to run another trait for multi bleed when you farm it out
grave elk
I’m guessing lucid isn’t great in m+ cuz of spreading dots on multi targets for energy regen?
rigid mango
Seems as much
tough whale
Lucid is single target
grave elk
Is blood of my enemy bis for m+
rigid mango
More or less
tough whale
Blood is great m+, as are most big AoE buffs
grim canopy
did u try the aoe on use
grave elk
I gotta grind that pvp life I guess
tough whale
It depends on the situation
grim canopy
what will the minors be in m+
rigid mango
Not sure yet
We don't know how the affix plays out properly yet
We don't know what's needed, what assa will be doinf properly
Maybe we don't take blood as major bec we don't need aoe
Who knows, yet.
rigid mango
I know, but do we need it?
That's the question in the end
We might go stuff for better prio etc
thin oriole
anyone has idea what benthic piece is best dps`?
tough whale
It's probably one of the better aoe essences to bring to m+. Its gonna depend on your comp
scenic torrent
lol i just realized
tough whale
And affixes
scenic torrent
I need group of 3 people to win pvp island expedition omg.
rigid mango
It'll depend more on what the season is tbh
tough whale
But 25% crit is never really bad
I'd imagine itll be pretty common all around for m+
rigid mango
If we care about that aoe dmg then it'll be besy
But maybe vision for more frequent prio pump and more of it might be better
quiet abyss
!azerite
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Azerite overview: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o
tough whale
Ehh, guess we will see. But imo blood is still better prio
Cause crits on fok let you dump envenom faster
tough whale
And if you have bleeds on more than 2 and you use vision you're just going to have more energy than you can ever use
I could see vision minor for sure
rigid mango
Vision popping for free prio sounds good to me 
I'm just trying to find ways to make blood not the obviously best choice
tough whale
Fok to become a sub rogue rotation better prio when you're getting 25% crit on each fok hit
rigid mango
Since it's very boring.
tough whale
They're all boring if you find blood boring
solemn meadow
life is boring
tough whale
Every essence is boring tbh
tough whale
You're in aoe you're never not gonna fok
rigid mango
But blood plays exactly like it
tough whale
In m+
rigid mango
Yes
rigid mango
But mongo fok brainless playstyle
rigid mango
I'm not arguing anything
I'm saying hopefully there are alternatives to blood's brainless playstyle
grizzled crypt
ever played ret?
tough whale
M+ rogue playstyle is brainless
solemn meadow
I mean most of the cds you will get or essence major
tough whale
A trait will not change that
solemn meadow
will jsut be used with your other cds
rigid mango
I don't think you think the same way
tough whale
If you don't like fok spam find a different spec to do m+ with, because mo essence will change it
rigid mango
I don't mind fok'ing, I mind pressing one button for 15 sec
tough whale
It seems your main issue is assa aoe rotation, and you think essences will change that
solemn meadow
sadly we dont have any other major aoe than poison bomb or fok
spice surge
You cant spam fok unless you set it up properly
tough whale
No matter what essence you choose in m+ you're going to be fok spamming every pull
rigid mango
I'm saying blood plays into it
tough whale
That's just assa aoe in m+
rigid mango
And with blood that's how you're always playing
tough whale
Why wouldnt you want to compliment your aoe in m+
spice surge
If you dont need more aoe
civic palm
Great even.
tough whale
If you're that set on using vendetta trait in m+ instead, go for it
rigid mango
That aren't worse to the point where you lose out on too much
tough whale
But your main issue seems to be just basic aoe from assassination in m+
rigid mango
Omg, I'm not set on anything
tough whale
Lmao
tough whale
😂
rigid mango
I've already said it twice before
tough whale
You're wild man have fun
grizzled crypt
didnt u say earlier there is no option for blood in m+?
civic palm
o _o 💦
rigid mango
Iris looks like the contended for aoe
civic palm
This is why the Chinese are better.
rigid mango
Seli like always doesn't like degenerate aoe playstyle and was looking into other ones
Only as options, not saying anything's better or worse
civic palm
_>
rigid mango
Just. Options.
civic palm
No point in not exploring.
spice surge
If aoe was the only relevant thing we all would be running 3eb, 2scent and 1ss in s2
civic palm
Also if you think that the only thing that SIN does in AoE is press FoK, you're missing some very important spells.
rigid mango
But if you press blood before
Fok is going to be the button u want to press aslong as it's on
civic palm
and at the moment it's more important to figure out whether we can bolster the holes in our kit while we're FoKing.
rigid mango
Which I don't like
personally
I'm more interested in options to blood than just jerking it to bloods superior aoe
raven spire
holes in our kit while we're foking
rigid mango
But 
raven spire
dot that up then aoe spam
ionic matrix
No other consideration in M plus besides AOE DPS. Damage is damage, whether you're spending 10 seconds on a boss or 10 seconds on trash the timer continues to tick. So maximizing opportunities of the highest damage possible... our AOE, is always going to be ideal
raven spire
yeah plus the good thing about sin is u still do sick st dmg even when speced for aoe
ionic matrix
Saying your group has enough AOE is also not a thing. There's a reason why two Outlaw Rogues run in every high-level mplus group
civic palm
In Season 2.
and while Reaping damage is near pointless, that stuff did still need to die.
ionic matrix
That's irrelevant insomnia. In every season of Mythic Plus in every expansion whatever group has the highest AOE is what is brought to high-level keys
spice surge
Well there isnt a thing as too much aoe dmg
solemn meadow
@raven spire sin?
spice surge
But there is a thing as not enough boss damage
solemn meadow
oh assassin
spice surge
Depending on the instance
civic palm
Context always matters.
solemn meadow
you short assassin with sin? I always do assa
raven spire
or just ass*
solemn meadow
civic palm
No you short Subtlety to ass :3
ionic matrix
Am I the only person that calls it mut?
short jacinth
Yup
raven spire
i wanted to name my new alt Benthicc but it was already taken
rigid mango
Idk Stealth, do you think outlaws were good omly because of their aoe?
spring iron
Any new developments in the sin RND department?
spice surge
Its ironic that people think assa is used for ST and outlaw for AoE when outlaw actually has better ST than assa does in m+ 😄 😄
civic palm
Yeah > _>"
spice surge
Unless the fight ends exactly as vendetta ends
spring iron
Or.... leave the group when they don’t kill the boss in the first 20 seconds
civic palm
o _o
tough whale
Big brain
strange python
Hey ! Sorry if the question is already ask but kinda lost about benthic stuff
should i upgrade something haste / mastery or with a good secondary
tough whale
Good secondaries + socket
civic palm
Roll for sockets.
tough whale
Benthic can roll sockets so fish for that before you upgrade
strange python
when u say roll u talk about spend 5 pearl for a piece ?
tough whale
And a few of those pieces look fairly juicy for EP, some pretty ok effects
strange python
Ok thx so much ! Trying assa' for this patch and i'm like should i prioritize haste / mastery or something else so
tough whale
Ideally I'd say sim yourself but theres still some dust settling
sullen sphinx
What’s emissary today fellas
strange python
Ok and about the secondary stats, there's a list on wowhead i guess it's good now ? there's every stat i can get on each pieces ?
tribal marlin
ye cleary assa M+ optimized have shit ST damage on bosses, outlaw really don't have to be shy especially when they are just doing more than anyone else, boss dmg wise, if you pull some mobs with the boss
rigid mango
They're normally on par if not higher on st thanks to always running 5 st traits so
tribal marlin
yes that's what I mean, and they win a lot of dmg converting WitS procs into ST dmg. Not as much as subtelty tho
rigid mango
Yeh if they get 1-2 mobs with the boss their boss dmg will be nuts now
Like pulling crushers with the shark boss or smth
Sounds prettt nuts
tribal marlin
yes definitly, but people still don't aware of this (outisde of rogue player) it's hard to make theim understand that not only subtely have the AoE builder -> ST dmg conversion
assa do have it too btw
tribal marlin
yes on 2-3t the st dmg win is quite potent
rigid mango
But past that, assa wins out
civic palm
and that's the idea about shoring up holes, if you can find a way to modify the cleave DMG there are good gains to gain.
gain gain gain
rigid mango
Idd
That's why I dunno if blood will be BiS or not
Sin is so good at making new strengths for itself
With traits, hoping similar things can happen for ess
Instead of just pop to fok
tribal marlin
I personnaly have good hope for subtely tbh :3
Lucid dream will make SecTec build potent
rigid mango
spice surge
I wouldnt mind some sub, but its not gonna happen unless they buff it
vestal wren
its very hard to say atm, gear scaling and encounter design (esp. in mythic) play a big role
rigid mango
Let's not start sub talk here
spice surge
Unfortunately
tribal marlin
no I mean for m+
vestal wren
i like the 3x nv build somewhat
rigid mango
👈 
vestal wren
true, assassination stays quite good on the higher melee tier spot
rigid mango
I have a hard time seeinf any melee being better than sin/otl for m+
spice surge
Assas doesnt really have a weakness
vestal wren
wounder if outlaw will still be fotm in m+ but it might
spice surge
Except being melee
tribal marlin
I don't know, I really didn't dive into essence impact on sectec build
tribal marlin
but but, I might give it a try at least
spice surge
I mean, tb>env>mut>mut>env is decent
rigid mango
Yah but like
spice surge
But yeah, thats probably what their worst at
rigid mango
Short bursts
crystal vessel
at 25% haste how is haste still my number 1 stat?
rigid mango
Think like uhh
spice surge
Yeah like 5s bursts
spice surge
But whenever it gets to like 15-20s assa is among the best again 
rigid mango
Yeh
spice surge
So short bursts is the only thing sub is better at
civic palm
Cancer your name is cancer.
25% or 250% doesn't matter when there's not enough DR on stat gain to make the stat worse.
spice surge
And with a nv stored up and blood activated sub definitely will do good burst like that
Assuming damage specc and not es
rotund mural
anyone using crucible of flame essence?
tough whale
Bring back shuriken combo 😡
tribal marlin
SecTec under Blood effect + potion + dmg amp
feels pretty juicy
sectec always felt juicy tbh, but the lack of energy sustain in <4t situation is soooo high
civic palm
tribal marlin
indeed xD
civic palm
I understand that no one there talks about their dead fucking spec but keep it there.
civic palm
No.
tough whale
Ripple 
civic palm
lol
cinder sparrow
"hi" "plz" .......world of respect
white basalt
How are u guys spending mana Pearl's?
cinder sparrow
feeding jay
empty badge
425 gear
strange python
can we trust raid bots yet? it wants me to regem all crit
empty badge
Boots are good
white basalt
Worth it to for crafted gear?
raven mural
!Essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
strange python
they are saying boots and belt are solid
i got some benthic azerite helm that has dd/ss/op
so that seems good lol
civic palm
I didn't even think of azerite benthic gear.
hmmm
Are the traits entirely random?
or what.
strange python
no clue i just got it from my mission table
civic palm
Yeah I just gambling sockets.
Also the raid traits are baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad for the most part.
spice surge
Yeah gambling for sockets on belt+boots seem like the best
strange python
i mean i would only replace that helm with the one from the second to last boss right?
civic palm
So it might be worth if you are going to get them to 425.
Gambling for boots when you have CoS boots hmmm
spice surge
Belts probably not gonna be worth it in the long run either. Belt from aszhara is giga pog
gentle path
why wouldnt you just get LW eleem
civic palm
Bingo.
strange python
how many abberitions do we really come across though?
civic palm
In the raid? > _>"
crisp steppe
irl?
strange python
during boss fights
civic palm
ha
spice surge
Atleast 2, probably 3
gentle path
over the LW guarenteed socket / perfect stat 440 boots?
civic palm
IF you have that.
meager nebula
2% damage is a lot
civic palm
2% DMG is monstrous.
spice surge
2% damage is like 3½ socket
gentle path
for 2 or 3 bosses yeah, what about the other 5
meager nebula
Have another pair
strange python
no reason not to
empty badge
How many mobs are Aberrations though?
spice surge
2 or 3 bosses
white basalt
I've got 420 crucible boots, should I skip benthic boots for how?
empty badge
oh wow
spice surge
Just use it on those, swap after
empty badge
I had 420 crucible boots, I got 425 benthic with a socket tomorrow though.
If you get a socket its 100% worth it.
spice surge
Although horde boots are not very good except for the swarm fight i'd reckon
Ally boots are +3% crit, horde version is mastery after you kill an abberition.
Belt is 2% abberation damage
empty badge
Yeah I am ally so boots are good
spice surge
Yes
civic palm
Very.
spice surge
http://piclair.com/data/5bp8q.jpg
Look at dese nikeys miz
civic palm
Actually, they might be ass if the DMG in PoA actually negs the boots.
JUMP OFF A CLIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFF MY DOOD
Maybe they can save you from the fall jeez.
spice surge
Yeah depend on if damage in aszhara breaks them or not
rotund mural
2eb and 2ss good for m+? dont know if 3eb is an overkill
empty badge
I use 3 EB, 2 of the envenom one and 1 ss
rotund mural
yeah i have exactly the same one, but just wondering if 3 eb is too much
civic palm
Any combination of
Echoing Blades
Shrouded Suffocation
Twist the Knife
is good.
rotund mural
oh yes, the infamous chain pulls
empty badge
Chain pulls are necessary
rotund mural
3eb it is then
white basalt
Do we need to level leatherworking? Can we use the crafting table for gear without it?
gentle path
can only make 410 gear until raid
white basalt
But we could make good stuff that tuesday before raid time yea?
gentle path
you're going to need the raid mats from boss drops, so if you do normal mode first you might be able to get a piece
white basalt
Ah I see
And we don't know how much of the Mats will drop from the raid so it's hard to say what will be craftable week 1. Right?
meager nebula
Well you won't be crafting the 440 one week one
It will be on a similar timeline to previous crafting
white basalt
Damn I dunno what to do. I'll just keep farming pearls and not spend any for now I guess
lofty jay
What is the cap? 445?
That is my plan too, see what I get from farming m+ and fill in the gaps
spice surge
Cap for what
lofty jay
Ilvl
lofty jay
Gotcha
opal minnow
Both. sims at the moment have lucid as one of the best.
civic palm
Pretty much grab everything at Rank 1 that you can.
white basalt
wouldnt be suprised if it ends it up being common to switch essences depending on boss
empty mirage
big thanks
dark crag
How about no essence switching. Before i switch essences constantly i go assa/sub st and outlaw aoe
white basalt
is the LW gear good?
meager nebula
Essence switching can be done with tomes at least
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
hasty vale
!Essence
strange python
How much is assa behind outlaw in m+ in 8.2?
meager nebula
Season 3 isn't out yet
sick pasture
Wait is there new essence sims?=
Condesned life-force gives 50 more dps than Lucid acording to bloodmallet 😮
vernal fern
what is the best to take with 3x Double dose for ST ? 1x SS and 2x nothing personal ?
karmic galleon
hey guys, which is the best spec for M+ in 8.2 and season 3, assa or outlaw?
lunar pelican
!essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
lost wharf
Hello, I couldn't find it in the pins. Which pot we use? The crit one or the plain agi
spice surge
🤷
strange python
damn procced a socket but it was on the increased threat belt lol
lost wharf
There are different kinds of belts?
strange python
2
karmic galleon
any ideas on my question ? :P
strange python
out of 10 belts 6 were abberition damage 4 were threat
sick pasture
So if I read the wowhead guide right you want to put lucid in a minor slot?
sick pasture
Okay thank you
rustic onyx
do you swap as soon as you have a minor slot ( lucid ) ? according to sim it's look like you need rank 3 flame or condensed life force to be even better than the rank 1 major lucid
karmic galleon
as an assassin if you go full aoe trait builds, will your single still be higher than a bis outlaw?
marble hemlock
bronze kelp
damn
experienced the next bull shit with essences 😢
lucid dream can procc in stealth when u use sap or shroud, and pulls you on procc instant out of stealth
can break your key if you are the only rogue
karmic galleon
and what about vice versa;? if you go bis single trait for assassin, can you keep up with the group's aoe on M+?
crystal vault
even when you are full of energy ?
bronze kelp
u mean me ?
yes
the simple procc pulls u out of stealth. same bullshit as with blood of the enemy
if u gain a stack with that, it unstealths u
real bay
tbh just report it and hope they hotfix
bronze kelp
i did
real bay
sounds so dumb
bronze kelp
i hope for a hotfix soon
meager nebula
this is how they nerf shroud
vernal robin
bronze kelp
nope the minor
meager nebula
the minor procs when you spend energy
bronze kelp
it seems to have the chance to procc on every skill you use
sudden canyon
Major gives you both?
meager nebula
major gives both
crystal vault
@bronze kelp im testing it on dummies and nothing happen, or i am just lucky af
spice surge
Lucid doesnt break stealth anymore afaik
I had it proc when i sapped
And it didnt break
bronze kelp
i had it 2 times in FH just now, and 2 times in two other dungeons
spice surge
hm
tropic ocean
@karmic galleon it will definetely give some room for different affixes/dungeons
sudden canyon
quick question. my sims are holding my 2nd vendetta for 2nd vanish. (running subterfuge so vanish/vendetta are bout 30 seconds out of sync) is this right, or do i just use vendetta on CD and keep them out of sync.
tropic ocean
Inb4 auto attack macro
karmic galleon
thing is I want to focus solely on M+ and I'm wondering what spec I should go for and and get items/etc for
polar shale
unstealth on sap,its like classic all over again
tropic ocean
@karmic galleon the one you enjoy to play the most
karmic galleon
my aim is to get the rogue ready for boosting and progressing super high keys, i'm not sure 'the one i enjoy most' would be the best choice if its out of meta you know? unless im mistaken and rogue isn't like the other classes in which both specs are equally good on M+ meta
spice surge
They are
meager nebula
well we won't know what is good in s3 until it is actually here
spice surge
Or they were in season 2
rose violet
you're crazy
worst shit i've played so far
i mean good for you if you've enjoyed it
spice surge
I mean if i wanted to spam buttons and react to procs instead of planning out my scarce resources i would play outlaw
crystal vault
imagine 12%haste from uldir
spice surge
You had more haste in uldir than now tbh, with array 
crystal vault
yeah
rose violet
i have 26% haste and there are no resources to play around
fiery cradle
15% haste 
strange python
How much HP will we have at 435?
spice surge
Prob around 400k
strange python
57 neck
crystal vault
azerit items from new raid are pretty bad or?
solid nova
Nope, theres a spreadsheet pinned
distant cypress
!essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
grave elk
does neri pull us out of stealth?
crystal vault
yes
grave elk
i fucking hate him
ripe nimbus
u literally hear her talk when u first land in nazjatar its a she lol
polar shale
got sound off so cant hear that stuff
tiny arrow
Best thing is when she runs after you unstealthed leading alliance to you
crystal vault
only one azerit item in raid with NP/DD.. ttk, scent of blood comeback? 
crystal vault
we will see, i have no idea fom the bosses, maybe we can play 3x Echoing 
strange python
i dont want residium stuff to be bis >.>
mystic pond
Isn't Loyal to the end fairly good?
proud compass
!essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
atomic saddle
So how good is this punchcard thing? Is it a real alternative to upcoming trinkets for high end content?
grave elk
what is the benthic belt we want?
crystal vault
You do 2% increased damage to Aberrations in nazjatar and the Etneral Palace.
grave elk
oh gotcha so the socket is optional huh
unborn vapor
Do we need to keep the sidekicks after they hit rank 3 or can we be done with em? They pull me out of stealth randomly which i dont like
grave elk
i got that affix but not socket
grave elk
is there a link to benthic gear we want to farm for
spice surge
Since a socket is worth like 25-30 ilvls
white basalt
whoa i thought sockets were like 10 max
grave elk
so can all the pieces of benthic get sockets? cause i dont wanna push upgrades like you said without it
spice surge
A belt with +abberation damage and (if alliance) boots with crit
meager nebula
they're better now
60 stats instead of 40
plus a 120 agi one if its good enough for some peopel
spice surge
and they were like 15-20 before on slot that wasnt legs/main hand
and now theyre 50% stronger 
grave elk
is there a new weapon enchant?
atomic saddle
Do we have any idea if the punchcard thing will be competitive with other trinkets in mythic raid content?
grave elk
@white basalt assuming we put that on mainhand?
white basalt
doesnt really matter which hand from what i've been told
ionic matrix
Doesnt matter what hand. Main and off hand are identical speeds
granite rampart
has anyone tried that new potion that gives 20% extra crit on your target? know how thats performing compared to the superior battle potions?
strange python
the crit one is best for st
spice surge
A MASSIVE FUCKTON stronger than the agi pots
strange python
agi one for multi
granite rampart
Pog thanks. i figured it'd be really good
sick pasture
When would you not use the crit and use agi insted`?
granite rampart
the crit pot resets if you change targets
spice surge
When you attack more than 1 target
sick pasture
Okay so crit is pure ST only
spice surge
Idk if it breaks on damaging other targets or when you swap autos
celest swan
does benthic gear have fix stats? i opened 5 bracers
and all had haste/versa
spice surge
I'd assume damage, but needs testing
granite rampart
holy shit yeah the crit pot sims like 700 higher for me. do you know the duration of it? the tooltip doesnt say
limpid dagger
!essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
spice surge
25s
granite rampart
ty
grim canopy
lol true
rigid mango
Might be why.
solar rose
Once we're able to actually get inside of a M+ on the new affix with 1 major and minor you'll have a more accurate answer
novel dove
!essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
faint harness
Actually really enjoyed raiding with lucid tonight
I think you can use it right as vendetta ends and it should fill all the energy guidelines
Being around 50 energy
midnight yarrow
fellow rogues - pop memory of lucid dreams with vendetta or later?
i feel like they kindo do the same thing w/ the eneregy regen - but getting more muts/envs in during vendetta window could be good too?
distant mist
During vendetta after the initial energy regen is over
distant mist
I still capped though :x
surreal solar
is there a half decent essence you can use instead of Blood if you don't have blood for M+
midnight yarrow
@spice surge Thank you. Going to give that a go on Jana tonight.
lost horizon
!essences
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
honest mica
d/ra
crystal viper
What benethic gear is good? I got pants and they make me larger? Does that mean dps increase?
short depot
what's best Race now (horde) for raid ?
spice surge
short depot
Magar orc for real ?
grim canopy
im a mag'har they look sick
spice surge
Troll and maghar are exactly the same, but if you look at the actual numbers
You'll see that the difference between troll and orc is less than a socket, so it has almost 0 impact on your character
nimble tartan
lucid dreams is OP BRO https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vmMaXV8THRDxn63q#type=damage-done&fight=19
grim canopy
Sin nerf inc?
nimble tartan
i had so much refund at a point i had to hold lucid for like 20 secs
gilded fossil
For the blood essence is the rank 2 quest out yet?
spice surge
yes, and then you can go get 50k
nimble tartan
no i know i hold it all the time i just held it for so long
spice surge
for r3
nimble tartan
since i never ran out of energy
reef peak
Anyone know if Vision of Perfection procs Nothing Personal?
steep obsidian
man memory of lucid dreams seesms a bit of overkill, I guess at some point you might drop vigor or somethign with it
devout gazelle
So guys which essense are we go as assas?
lucid and blood seems pretty op but which one is the bis you think?
zinc pine
Did Tricks get changed for 8.2 to only work on tanks?
grim canopy
are there any groups doing this
strange python
Just Q up and pray you get half humans atleast
meager nebula
just queue merc mode
strange python
Merc?
strange python
Yeah i might od that
Tried 3 epic bgs today
Lets just say i still have no blood essence
near coyote
regular azerite traits still the same? in the sense of whats best
double dose , personal, shrouded?
strange python
near coyote
ty
grim canopy
well 3 days of queing and i dont even have rank 1
i hope its worst in slot item
after all pans out
feral shadow
!essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
vital nymph
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
near coyote
i hate when wa include [Crimson Tempest]
onyx rock
Is Kimbuls Trinket simming wrong ? The ingame tooltip shows way lower damage then the tootltip in raidbots. 11k to 7k
vale swallow
is it worth it to keep rolling benthics until i get one with a socket, or should i not waste the pearls?
spice surge
A socket is worth between 20-30 ilvls depending on the slot, so i'd say yes
severe bough
wanted to just double check
does lucid still seem bis?
or vision will surpass it?
spice surge
Vision isnt that good
Lucid minor with life force major seems to be the optimal setup when you're 55+
grave elk
for essence of focusing iris... to get rank 3. Every week in our m+ chest we will get a mat to combine and craft it ?
scenic nacelle
Hows force multiplier doing?
spice surge
Use one of them
meager nebula
link the sim
opaque tree
How do you get rank 2 of lucid, since I eventually want to get to rank 3?
I know one of the ranks is get all followers to rank 10
scenic nacelle
I think I figured out how to do it Blade
meager nebula
all fixed then?
opal meadow
hey guys how is umbridled fury?
i searched umbridled but got no results
Oh. It's unbridled. Still no results
Anyone do any testing with it
strange python
opal meadow
pots are 3k gold on my server, that's kinda insane
civic palm
Yeah but at the same time, I cannot get them to SELL for that much.
scenic nacelle
Not sure, I'll see when the sim is done. I forgot to tick Enchant/Gem icon @meager nebula
strange python
So pretty much play lucid untill rank3 life force
opal meadow
Lucid major was causing my ST to go up by a lot
no sims or anything but i was sitting at 32k dps without lust for 2 minutes on mekka (I had no mechanics given to me lol)
fresh robin
hmm as major? i figured blood would be better and use that as minor
ill have to play with em
fresh robin
3k exp total on followers for r2
grave elk
ok so it doesnt matter as long as i hit 3k total xp. is there a preferred follower for rogue? i just randomly selected neri
@strange python where do u see the xp u have
fresh robin
its on the conch in the cave
strange python
Ive got a quest to reach 3k
fresh robin
u can mouse over each followers xp
grave elk
what follower you guys using
fresh robin
the rogue one
fresh robin
i started with the healer, but she doesnt stealth, and that rogue follower does a ton of dmg
strange python
Abilities
fresh robin
i got 1v1'd by a mw monk with that follower, he just healed and the follower wrecked me kept respawning, 2600 in 3s btw
things pretty good lol
fresh robin
yeah like a good chunk, and it stealths, the other followers aggro everything and put u in combat, pretty annoying as a rogue
grave elk
in nazjatar i just run master poisoner and the kidney shot talent for pvp and it seems to do wonders in my encounters
strange python
I run defualt with 3x EB 3x ss
strange python
Tho i prefer sub for world content
grave elk
i just figured sin seems to be overall in a good spot why change it
strange python
Yeah
grave elk
plus the dot slows are too nice
strange python
For me subs burst makes it easier to kill stuff
grave elk
i tried learning sub at beginning of expansion and in uldir but i never really got the hang of it so luckily for me its been pretty much nerfed
grave elk
sub?
lone junco
trim forge
sub-par?
strange python
meager nebula
stay on topic please
grave elk
i was like uhmm i havent seen a sub rogue in like 7 months
sage yew
so, for rank 2 blood of the enemy do we need to get 15k honor in all the pvps or just one of them ?
trim forge
puns are always on topic arnt they?
strange python
@grave elk they are in stealth.
trim forge
yeah, but it's okay because sin isnt meant to broken
grave elk
i should prob run scent of blood over NP for m+ lol
grave elk
none