assassination

[stuck knoll]

90 is the most accurate imo

But even then it's usually closer to 95

[modest tendon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fVHKAQHErDRPBzh7xgvzdX

NP sims higher at 90%, interesting

[stuck knoll]

You might want to replace that agility gem too

[modest tendon]

what to? iv had those boots for so long haha

[stuck knoll]

Sim with haste and mastery gems and make sure replace gems and enchants

Is ticked

[solar rose]

With 3dd and 3 np, usually mastery sims highest but it depends on haste value. But ya sim it

Also you have a 420 dice

[modest tendon]

is that jealousy or is it a shit trinket?

for raiding at least?

[solar rose]

Jealous

[modest tendon]

i spam so much m+ haha

[solar rose]

I’m 419 with a 400 dice

[muted jacinth]

imagine rolling for 5 shoulders and not getting gorak tuls but then first shoulder roll on your druid its gorak tuls

[modest tendon]

iv had high altitude turban twice 😦

i want my 3xSS and 3xEB but its not gunna happen lol

[muted jacinth]

I have the 3 eb and 3 ss but we havent killed conclave in 2 months so I'll never get the 420 chest

[modest tendon]

im locked in 3xEB, 2xTTK 1xSS and im totally fine with that 😛

but ye I want the opulence helmet but we are perma locking until we kill her (or more likely next patch comes out)

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fL8Q5Vy1ztTYrFCTW4uxd5

haste gems sim higher apparently

[muted jacinth]

same

what's your dungeon slice sim with those azerite @modest tendon

the twist build

[modest tendon]

one min in dungeon

[leaden garden]

for m+, should i get more than 1 ss trait?

[rigid mango]

You don't need to get more than 1

but it's still a very good trait

And getting more wont hurt you

[leaden garden]

Okay cool. its either a 2nd SS or...tidal surge >_<

[rigid mango]

Yeah, then 2 ss is probably better

😄

[modest tendon]

you get more meter padding with 2 or 3 ss, perhaps less practical but gives you impressive pushing power

[rigid mango]

Depends on the week, but sure

[modest tendon]

if i could i would use 3xSS and 3xEB for all keys under 15 tbh

[rigid mango]

yeah, sure

Shit's no brain

[modest tendon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qgFGdBZApay6SNxgwjuTTT

@muted jacinth

[muted jacinth]

ahh yeah I dont have the hat or chest

big sad

[modest tendon]

like a month ago i started getting into rogue, i disenchanted the head piece becuase i thouught it was shit haha, got my refund back a couple days ago and now my build is as good as it will get

[muted jacinth]

yeah for tyrannical you'll definitely shit on my boss damage

[modest tendon]

i still dont do as much single target as I'd like but thats probably me being a shit player rather than my gear

[muted jacinth]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iMvLZzQ5XPGTd9C7exB2L3 is what I've been running lately. obviously nothing higher than 15s. once I get more twists for tyrannical weeks I'll be more inclined to

[rigid mango]

I mean, that build runs 3eb which isn't definetivly the best

It's just the one thing that keeps us on par with outlaws

[modest tendon]

If i had a third ttk id use it on tyr weeks

but thats the best i can do right now

[rigid mango]

I mean, sure

[muted jacinth]

a saber with a socket dropped off jaina last week and I was a bit sad I didnt get it

[modest tendon]

i can go outlaw when needed tbh so im not that worried

[rigid mango]

Ir depends more on your group tbh

3 eb is nuts durint tyr weeks

Since trash is easy, you masspull

Masspull = 3 eb nuts

You still spend majority time on trash

[muted jacinth]

triple shrouded for bosses though really soesnt net a ton of damage sadly when it's high tyrannical though. that's when I wish I had a twist or two

but man 3 shrouded on trash is pog

[rigid mango]

Just sorta depends on what you're doing

Dont like many ss

Unless like

KR keys

[lost horizon]

Being a Nelf pushes SS value up

[rigid mango]

Esp fort kr keys where you don't pull more than packs of around max 5 bar reap and 3rd boss room

[lost horizon]

Still plenty of good options though, which is nice

[rigid mango]

It's gonna be rucking nuta next season tho

Can see 3 ss possibly with exsanf

[modest tendon]

what is your dream build for KR zine?

[rigid mango]

Being the play there

Uhh

Probably 3 ttk 2 eb 1 ss

[muted jacinth]

I've been playing exsang 3 shrouded for m+ forever. just not a fan of tb without a poison related trait

[rigid mango]

Sorta depends though, i normally run with aoe pumpets

[modest tendon]

the smaller packs would mean 2ss, 2ttk, 2eb would work quite well also right?

[rigid mango]

So i can sacrifice heavy aoe for more focused damage

[modest tendon]

i guess this is pretty small stuff though

[rigid mango]

Aye, 2/2/2 is very good in there

It just depends on what your group lacks/what week/what you prefer

Tbh

2/2/2 is always good in like kr/tos

Always good anywhere, just gets outperformed by some other builds sometimes

3 ss is nuts in kr tho, esp with exsang

Last boss fucking MELTS

Save vanish for when the raptors come in, and just melt

I'm generally a bigger fan of heavy ttk builds more so because I like how they play

[modest tendon]

damn i need me a third ss, havent experimented with exsang much

[rigid mango]

And how much control you have

It's not super good

[modest tendon]

although iv barely got the tb rotation down lol

[rigid mango]

I wouldn't use it outside kr

Tbh

[modest tendon]

lower keys

[rigid mango]

Even more so if ur nelf

[modest tendon]

focus targets

[rigid mango]

Lower keys = shit dies fast

Aka not always full ss value

But like

Nelf 3 ss

Get 9 empowered garrotes

I'm just interested in seeing what next season will give

W reap gone maybe 3 eb wont be the play often

It's my kink to do kr, do the opening pull w 3 ttk and tell my group to just pad instead of focusing the caster

See 3ttk tb vend envenoms chunk

Honestly both your set ups are fine, just new daggers

[modest violet]

I'm flipping over to sin since my guild has made it to mekka prog, would anyone mind taking a look at this and telling me if they'd swap around any az traits, etc? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eUoKTfVi1ko3qGNXsmemZt

[rigid mango]

is your mastery v low?

[modest violet]

relatively, yeah, 535

[rigid mango]

What's that in %?

[modest violet]

armory says 26%

they seem fine

I don't die much unless I LoS them with a bomb

[rigid mango]

Normally not used to seeing 2nd np get outsimmed by tc

Might just be lurkers

[modest violet]

so across 27 wipes last fight it had 82% uptime

[rigid mango]

That's quite low

Sim it at 80%

[tropic ocean]

2.-3 npis good on mekka

due to potential downtimes

heres what commonly isused

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/21#boss=2276&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination

[modest violet]

w/ 80% uptime 2nd NP sims better

[rigid mango]

Yeah, I'd go for 2np^^

[modest violet]

While I'm at it, I also have pistoleers spaulders @ 420, which sim about half a % higher

ttk+scheming

(if TC only has 80% uptime from my shoulders)

[rigid mango]

I'd stick with same probs

[modest violet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tkLYy6avqnxnXdR4TMZNPX <- worth taking the 405s?

[rigid mango]

Oh they're 405 thought smth was weird

Ehh, neither are greay

Ir you chat with your healers about keeping you up a bit more maybe

[modest violet]

I'll do that, I guess I should also look in to when I'm dipping and losing the buff

i.e. doesn't matter as much if it's when I'm running away with a bomb

I almost wish I hadn't looked

I melee'd mekka 6652 times, only had TC up for 1938 of those

207/497 pistol shots

Works out to ~41% uptime?

also, accidentally simmed the same shoulders twice

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kHwiB7zZas9dszD9ysMvrt

I got a couple 420 options (plugged in w/ 40% TC uptime lol)

[rigid mango]

They're all really bad, to be honest

I'd probably stick to yours as it is

[modest violet]

kk

I guess I'm rolling on shoulders next week

[rigid mango]

Or just do JFM

And hope for mythic piece

[modest violet]

we're extending

[rigid mango]

Yikers

Well, ask them really nicely

[modest violet]

this guy is a reroll so my gear is kinda wacky

[rigid mango]

First 3 bosses go down in like 15 min

and since it's a substantial upgrade still, just ask if you could do it and peeps could trade you

[modest violet]

I'll see what they're in to, even with me being down 500-1k dps or w/e from a shoulder upgrade it's prolly not the thing that will make or break our mekka kill

it's like, people not bombing the raid

[rigid mango]

Yeah, of course

But the first 2/3 bosses are super braindead

[modest violet]

I’m more worried about reclearing the ones past that, we just got out first Rasta kill 1.5 weeks ago

But yeah, I dig it

[strange python]

question for all of you! is Assassination viable in M+

[sturdy python]

Yes, very much so

[crisp steppe]

yeah its very good

[limber gust]

hmm i am kinda newish to assassination (not that new), but I feel like i dont use enough the disable (kidneyshot etc.) for using the prey of the weak. maybe i should change for iron wire for garrote silence?

i feel like I dont really use that much of that to make use of that talent

any ideas? or should i just force myself to use more those disables?

[rigid mango]

You don't use prey as sin

[modest tendon]

garrote silence is really strong in m+

[rigid mango]

The other two options are just better

[muted jacinth]

iron wire ftw

[rigid mango]

Iron wire is really really good for m+

It gets even higher value in some dungeons where that silence is worth tons

[limber gust]

ok i really thought so I was following the icy veins guide and they said prey was top of the talent tree

[muted jacinth]

big shrine silences

[limber gust]

and iron wire is situanational

[rigid mango]

Icy veins is outdated

[limber gust]

*situational

[rigid mango]

and shouldn't be followed

[muted jacinth]

doesnt it still say to take master poisoner

[limber gust]

ok so I should go for sure to iron wire good to know

[muted jacinth]

instead of ep

[rigid mango]

Prey is worse

Than internal bleeding

[limber gust]

they said all three lano depending on your likings 😄

[rigid mango]

Since ib atleast deals a moderate damage

Yikes

EP always

[limber gust]

yea i use EP 😃

[rigid mango]

Unless you're doing m+

sorry

pvp*

[limber gust]

but i really wasnt sure bout prey

[rigid mango]

Then iirc MP is good, but I'm not a pvp expert so

Like, for m+ you use the same set up

in every key apart from tyr kr/tos

where I swap CD for elusiveness, apart from that, nothing changes

[limber gust]

if we are bout the garotte thing: the silence always gets up the 8secs when i use it? or is there some timer when the silence happens?

or the 3 secs. the talent doesnt specify it that much

[rigid mango]

hm?

The talent increases the duration of the silence by 3 sec

and gives the target a 15% dmg done reduc for 8 sec

[limber gust]

yea the question is for example I hit target 1 with garotte and he is silenced for x seconds. when i refresh garotte during that x seconds the silence expanse to the max again?

*extend sorry

[rigid mango]

they're only silenced if garrote is cast from stealth

[limber gust]

ah ok

[strange python]

what talents should you use for Sin in M+

[rigid mango]

http://prntscr.com/nx6sr3

[kind scarab]

@rigid mango even on fortified weeks?

[rigid mango]

Yep

Only swap CD with Elusiveness for tyr KR/TOS keys

Other than that, I don't swap anything

[vast forum]

HB is also viable if you run 3xEB

[kind scarab]

interesting, I figured crimson tempest / exsang would be better during fortified weeks

due to the higher trash hp %

[rigid mango]

Exsang is nearly never better

If you're running 3ss and nelf, possibky

CT is just bad, EB does more dmg per GCD

And HB is Viable sorta with 3 eb

[strange python]

Double Dose does it workout in M+ or no

[rigid mango]

No

It's terrible

[modest violet]

Any tips for using shadow step to avoid dying on m mekka? Just spam someone on the ground?

[rigid mango]

DD means you want to be mutilating

But in m+ you want to be using FoK

With EB traits

[vast forum]

@modest violet just shadowstep the boss

[fleet whale]

Does anyone even really use exsang anymore

[rigid mango]

It's decent in some situations

can be good if u wanna parse first couple bosses I think

3 SS exsang blast on KR keys

last boss

dies so fast

[fleet whale]

yeah, but i just feel that TB doesn't require as much gear setup and is mostly better anyway

[rigid mango]

Aye

That's entirely true

[fleet whale]

and even in M+, since i have a couple TTK traits, toxic blade is quite decent if using FoK to funnel to one target on cleave

[rigid mango]

yeah, obv

it's useful in niche spots

[fleet whale]

and imo CT just seems like a trap talent

[rigid mango]

It would've been good

if EB wasn't so good

[fleet whale]

EB is so good in reaping... and as much as i dislike teeming having such big reaping waves can be fun with eb

[rigid mango]

Aye, and it plays exactly into eb so

[tropic ocean]

i have a dream that one day ct will proc venomous wounds

[modest violet]

@vast forum Wouldn't that put you in his blastoff?

[vast forum]

not if you shadowstep after the blastoff

just don't spam it

shadowstep when he's alrdy in the air

ct proccing venomous wounds would just be stupid

[rigid mango]

It'd be insanely good

Like, just insane

imagine running CT 3 EB in that case

you could even go MA?

[vast forum]

it would either be insanely goo

[rigid mango]

Just fucking 1 CT into fok spam

[vast forum]

good*

or our ST would be insanely bad

cuz if you balance our ST around having x energy

[rigid mango]

Aye

[vast forum]

having like 3x energy on 2t would be too much

and like 10x energy on any aoe fight

[rigid mango]

Yeah

[hardy eagle]

Hey guys. What kind of nameplates can you recommend, im using ElvUI right now but with zero customisation to the nameplates. I want to only show Garrot and Rupture over the target.

[simple gulch]

I feel lke a lot of talents this expansion are just there for inconvenience

or just there

for no reason

[rigid mango]

I mean

[icy ember]

i can recommend Plater

[rigid mango]

Last tier could be a bit better balanced

But next season might tip it onew ay or the other

they're not astronimical lenghts away frome one anotehr

esp hb vs pb

[simple gulch]

I'm not only talking about rogue talents

[hardy eagle]

@icy ember is Plater easy to configure?

[simple gulch]

everything

[flint jetty]

Plater is great

The wealth of customization as well as the fact that there are profiles and mods for it on wago

[icy ember]

@hardy eagle well yes, you can customize it as well.. i use @solar rose list of plater settings

[civic palm]

Plater is the last thing that would be considered "easy" to configure.

[flint jetty]

There are a lot of options so it can seem a little daunting at first but it's quite easy

[civic palm]

Sure you don't have to do the scripting yourself, but it's a short step from that .

[icy ember]

well you can copy some other dude's settings and use em, so yes, it is easy

[simple gulch]

I'm trying to remember what HB is

[rigid mango]

Hidden blades

[simple gulch]

oh ok

[rigid mango]

Mor fok damage

Pretty much

[civic palm]

I wouldn't consider "configuring" anything if you just copy someone else's configuration, but sure, importing is almost painless!!

[hardy eagle]

Alright. The main thing im lookin at is if im able to create nameplate profiles for different specs. Since i want to only see Garrot and Rupture, but once i play my druid i wanna see my dots aswell.

[simple gulch]

For example, there's a talent in the last row of BM hunter that is like 1k dps less than the viable talent

[icy ember]

importing is priceless and easy

[rigid mango]

Ngl

straying away from assa

a lot in here

[civic palm]

Most of the time you should not have to worry about DoTs appearing for other specs/classes if they are only tracking YOUR DoTs.

[simple gulch]

What is NGL

[civic palm]

not gonna lie*

[simple gulch]

why are people making abbreviations for everything these days

[civic palm]

these days?

Look here old man.

[simple gulch]

I prefer the term old fuck

[solar rose]

cause there's less to type

being more lazy

[simple gulch]

lazy fucks

[rigid mango]

wdym

I type fast

and short

shit works out 🤷

[visual quartz]

actually the worst

[civic palm]

Yeah but then you run the risk of having to explain to the elderly that words can exist in a shorter format.

[rigid mango]

@visual quartz

[civic palm]

Anyway, nameplates are neat, and Plater is a pretty neat option.

Also very lightweight.

[visual quartz]

make a pinned message that just has all the abbreviations 😛

[hardy eagle]

haha yeah. Its kinda confusing if people only write abbreviations and you dont have a clue what the fuck theyre talkin about. For example every spell in this game. 😂

[gilded oasis]

but then people have to check the pins

[rigid mango]

Yeah I mean

Most things are easy to piece together

[simple gulch]

so what do you think about some talents being like 1k dps behind

[rigid mango]

if you engage your brain

and see I type DD SS EB FOK SOB etc

Shit is obvious.

[visual quartz]

I think its more about each class too. We all play rogue so rogue abbreviations are easy. Head over to warr discord and I'd be lost as shit

[civic palm]

I think the talents are designed to have a clear winner, only to have traits be sometimes designed around making others win out over the traditional winners.

[solar rose]

Maybe I've been playing WoW for too long, but when I was looking into classes like Warlock as alts and they use abbreviations, it's kinda easy to fill in the blank

[civic palm]

CoC though.

[hardy eagle]

Zeidrich summed it up.

[civic palm]

What some CoC?

[simple gulch]

It's opposite for me

I'm lost here

I main a warrior

[rigid mango]

Ooga booga

[icy ember]

rend

[simple gulch]

Who is this ugly smiling man in your gif

[civic palm]

Here's some help;

Now...

these might not help you in #assassination ...

but they might help.

[simple gulch]

SnD lul

it's sad that it's a talent now

[civic palm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

It's more sad that it's worth less than just not taking it.

[visual quartz]

Miz helping out the masses

[simple gulch]

I figured SnD would be better because RB has RNG

[hardy eagle]

If SnD would be viable i might give Outlaw another try.

[simple gulch]

but apparently not

[hardy eagle]

But this RNG shit is really dumb.

[civic palm]

I'd probably use STA and not Stam for Stamina though.

[simple gulch]

It's not that dumb

You don't lose that much dps from rolling

[civic palm]

Not that this is #outlaw , but all you have to do is NOT reroll RTB and it's better than SnD.

[hardy eagle]

You dont know my badluck.

[solar rose]

-> #wow-general this isn't assa boys 😃

[civic palm]

SnD was part of SINs kit for a long time, how dare you.

[simple gulch]

believe me, I've had my share of bad luck rolls lmao

SnD was part of every spec since vanilla to mop

not so much sin in vanilla though

you'd rarely use that in pvp

I mean sub

not sin

[civic palm]

Bingo 👍

[simple gulch]

I'm confused

What are you bingo'ing at

[cobalt gyro]

Finally got a 3x ttk set. Feels fucking goooood

[civic palm]

woo

[simple gulch]

what's that

[civic palm]

That's actually a good question.

[simple gulch]

TTK?

[civic palm]

Time to Kill, or, Twist the Knife.

[simple gulch]

I don't think I've seen this before

[rigid mango]

Twist The Knife

[simple gulch]

oh probably twist

[civic palm]

Twist the Knife in this case.

[rigid mango]

I mean

all the major ones

like major talents, major traits

are quite easy to get the hang of

[solar rose]

Finally got a 3x time to kill set.

[civic palm]

Yeah but TtK is a strange fucking mess of letters.

[simple gulch]

don't really play rogue much

but started

[civic palm]

That thing DOES die faster with 3xTtK

nods

[rigid mango]

3 time to kill

[simple gulch]

is Envenom your 1st damage with TTK?

[rigid mango]

[simple gulch]

I don't remember that trait

Nothing personnel kid

some rogue in my guild has nothing personal as his 1st damage

It was weird seeing a trait be 1st

[civic palm]

That happens when the fight is 20 seconds long.

or he presses no other buttons.

[simple gulch]

really? because I see that every time I hover over him

well, guess I misread something

well, he's the 1st in dps so i dobut he doesn't press anything else lmao

[civic palm]

NP is a good amount of damage but it should not be top damage at the end of a fight more than uhhh... 1min?

[simple gulch]

Yeah I probably saw that atfter wipes

[civic palm]

I mean everyone else could be real ass > _>

Doubt that.

[simple gulch]

don't mind me

[civic palm]

But yeah.

[simple gulch]

is there a trait that's actually doing a lot of damage?

like 1st or second

[civic palm]

Like a trait that will overall have the most damage done after a dungeon/fight?

[simple gulch]

yeah

[civic palm]

Echoing Blades does in dungeons.

[simple gulch]

oh yeah

that one does a lot

[civic palm]

and technically Shrouded Suffocation could if your pulls are small.

That's more the trait helping than doing all the damage though.

[visual quartz]

even the rogue in my guild rolling with 3xNP its like his 5-6th dmg ability

[simple gulch]

I know this is not outlaw but it irritates me that all the damage in aoe is going to Blade Flurry

instead of respective abilities

[civic palm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[visual quartz]

My garrote is like 80% plus in M+ lol

[rigid mango]

3 SS?

[simple gulch]

probably

[visual quartz]

3ss 2EB 1TTK

[simple gulch]

I want to play some assa for a while but i do't have 2 daggers

so is sub still subpar?

[rigid mango]

Yep.

[simple gulch]

Anything happening for 8.2?

regarding sub

[rigid mango]

not really

afaik

[simple gulch]

well hopefully it would scale well

[rigid mango]

🤷

Seemingly assa is on top still

[simple gulch]

does assa have a similar playstyle to sub in aoe?

[rigid mango]

I mean

With heavy ttk builds, sorta

[civic palm]

The SIMs show SUB performing well enough pretty much everywhere, people simply don't wanna play it because OTL and SIN are better.

[rigid mango]

You gain with fok and spend with envenom

like shuriken -> evis

[simple gulch]

like, I think you'd use shuriken/fok, Nightblade/Rupture, evi/envenom

do you spread nightblade on every target?

[rigid mango]

No clue tbh

Starting to edge further and further away from assa ngl

[simple gulch]

what are you playing

[rigid mango]

Trait wise?

[simple gulch]

what is starting to edge further from assa?

I'm confused

[rigid mango]

The talk

[simple gulch]

oh lol

yeah

[rigid mango]

assa spec channel talking about sub balancing

[simple gulch]

I have myself to blame

[rigid mango]

sooner or later @meager nebula is gonna come in here with his god damn police emote

[civic palm]

SOONER OR LATER

[simple gulch]

NOw he is because you tagged him

you played yourself

[civic palm]

pings the problem

[rigid mango]

Yeah, obviously.

[meager nebula]

it would've helped if you had just stayed on topic

[simple gulch]

#subtlety is dead anyways

lets make this into sub/assa

[meager nebula]

no

[rigid mango]

no police emote

But yeah, assa seems the best

[simple gulch]

no pirate best

[meager nebula]

if you want to do spec comparisons, #wow-general is the place for that

[rigid mango]

outlaw seems nutty in cleave fights, maybe m+ 🤷 , sub maybe, don't know anything about the spec

yesh

[visual quartz]

Asn is just so chill to do good numbers, perfect spec

[rigid mango]

It's quite satisfying to play, imo

[simple gulch]

Yeah it is

[rigid mango]

There's a lot more thought and planning than in outlaw, but outlaw is much more on your toes playstyle

I like both, and play both

[simple gulch]

I wish they reverted the envenom animations to the previous one though

[visual quartz]

Made my rogue back in Wrath as a getaway from mage high tier raiding. Fell in low

love*

[simple gulch]

Assa was cool in wotlk

[rigid mango]

only played rogue in bfa, so far no plan on stopping

[simple gulch]

you had slice and dice

I think envenom increased the duration of SnD

back in wotlk

so you never had to use it more than once

[civic palm]

eg. When SnD wasn't a thing.

and was designed poorly.

[simple gulch]

when was it designed well

Ever since mop we started losing our abilities every expansion

[civic palm]

SnD? Any time you might have to manage it.

[simple gulch]

inb4 next expansion is up on ps4 and xbox

[civic palm]

Otherwise it didn't exist or was managed by something else.

[atomic willow]

so with the vision of perfection essence......if it procs vend AND you have NP on your azerite do you think it'll add the DoT also?

nvrming answered

[civic palm]

o _o

[uncut ether]

on a boss like triad on waycrest

how many bleeds should I maintain before i begin to lose damage on ST

[warm harbor]

Hmm on like a fort week w/ lust its probably not worth multi dotting at all, on a tyran week maybe in the post lust part of the fight where resource starts being an issue it might be worth multi-dotting one add (maybe even time it so the dot is up for the next add that gets the iris), if you're running a SoB trait it may be worth rupturing both the other 2 adds

[cobalt gyro]

if you don't do envenoms in the opener you potentially don't get an opener

so it's not really worthwhile

[tall basalt]

can poisons/bleeds proc deadly/quick navigation?

or only auto attacks

[civic palm]

Says Damaging Abilities ye?

Doesn't say anything actually, I hate this tooltip. Comments say it can procs on DoTs though.

as of 8.0.1

[whole minnow]

Hi. how many targets do i start using fan of knives instead of mutilate for combo points?

OH there is a guide

[bronze kelp]

2+ if you have EB

otherwise 3+, if you have massive DD traits its 5+ iirc

[shy dust]

The guide covers it well

[leaden garden]

Is energy pooling before TB window still a thing? Any tips regarding this?

[royal lantern]

why should it not be

well, keep your bleeds up, use mulitate durring the envenom buff for the double poison/dd dmg, and then only use envenom/mulitate too waste energy until TB is up

[tropic ocean]

To not waste energy*

[leaden garden]

Should I track the envenom buff? To fit in as many mut within it as pos?

[royal lantern]

only use envenom outside of TB too spend energy before you cap

and yeha, it helps too track the envenom buff, but you still only want too mulitate too the ussual 4-5 cp

[lament dove]

well you will not do more than 2 mutilates anyway, since you get to 4-5 CP with that

[lean thorn]

Hey guys could you please clarify the standard opener for me?
wowhead guide says
With SS, Subterfuge and Toxic Blade:
Garrote
Rupture
Garrote
Vendetta
Toxic Blade
Continue normally until...
Vanish when Garrote has dropped off completely after a finisher.
2x Garrote and a finisher.

Should I really put up the first Rupture with not full CP? Isn't it a dps loss?
If I should - when do I refresh it then? During vendetta? Kinda crosses up with "put up all your bleeds before the Vendetta"

Ty in advance

[cobalt pelican]

rupture doesn't do more tick damage per combo point

and you refresh whenever you need to, basically at pandemic

you're not really going to have a vendetta without reapplying a single bleed very often

[tropic ocean]

baa 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐

[granite beacon]

You refresh the next time it's about to drop off.

[tropic ocean]

^???

[cobalt pelican]

questioning is how you learn

and learning is fun woo

[tropic ocean]

sim yourself and follow the guide bro

[cobalt pelican]

askmrrobot and the noxxic guide? roger that officer

i'll be tippy topping the meters in no time

[tropic ocean]

sounds like feelycraft

😢

[solid nova]

[hardy eagle]

Is there any difference between offhand / mainhand, for example with enchants and different GS weapons?

[solid nova]

Highest item level in MH

Enchants it doesnt matter which hand

[leaden garden]

gutripper vs heed my call for m+?

[vast forum]

hmc

[ocean sparrow]

What's everyone running trait wise this week?

[rigid mango]

I assume you're NA

[ocean sparrow]

Correct lol..I'm making the switch from outlaw back to assassination I think =/

[strange python]

Good choice brother

[rigid mango]

Raging necro tyr

[hollow stone]

Same thing we run every week, pinky

[rigid mango]

Uhh, 2/2/2

[strange python]

I play sin for m+ and raids, it's too fun tbh

[rigid mango]

3 ttk 2 eb 1 ss

3 eb 2 ttk 1 ss

Any of the above, really

[tropic ocean]

3ss 3eb

!!!

[plain cairn]

just got a 420 gcb... i dont raid on my rogue anymore 😒

[cobalt pelican]

galecallers is old and busted these days

kill yourself trinket is new hotness

[rigid mango]

^

[plain cairn]

hahaha true

[supple compass]

Are there bis pieces for head and chest similar to gts mantle

[rigid mango]

wdym

[hasty brook]

Do you guys think a 1k diff in dps is worth switching from [Subterfuge] to [Master Assassin] and losing SS?

From 24,299 to 25,481

Got so used to my opener with SS.

[lethal heart]

well if there is no use for cleave from subterfuge

then ye

definitely worth

[hasty brook]

Still use vanish on CD to do opener again when not speced into SS and subterfuge?

[lethal heart]

opener with master assasin is different

assassin*

!~guide

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[lethal heart]

should check this out

[hasty brook]

Oh was on that site but under wrong rotation section. Wasn't aware of a specific Master assassin talent rotation. Vanish mid rotation. Wow. That's new for me. ty

[granite beacon]

Are there any particular dungeons where I should be using CT?

[lethal heart]

nah

you always use poison bomb nowadays

[granite beacon]

And only rupture three targets, right?

[marble hemlock]

4-5

if you still have garrotes rolling from your opener, then 2-3 is enough to be energy-neutral however

[granite beacon]

So throw another one or two up after garrote falls off?

[marble hemlock]

yup

depending on your energy levels, you wanna be prepared for that or you might starve energy for a few GCDs

i.e. when your 3 garrote are at 1/2/3sec left and you still only have 2 ruptures, and are sitting at ~30energy

youre gonna starve

[granite beacon]

Gotcha. Thanks a lot for the help.

[marble hemlock]

and then theres always the option of sniping mobs that are about to die with a high-cp rupture for energy refunds, depending on the pull you can sustain energy that way as well, which allows you to use more GCDs on fok instead

mostly helpful in some reaping pulls or with low-hp mobs like blobs in shrine where you dont wanna have a 5-7GCD ramp-up for sustain

[granite beacon]

👌

[supple compass]

Are there good single target chests and heads from the vendor

Similar to how Gorak Tuls is best in the shoulder slot

[tropic ocean]

ye

cephalohide jacket

is very good for m+ and raid

[jovial canopy]

quick question. for off hand dagger do u want ilvl or socket? for instance i have 415 and 410(both non socket) daggers but sim keeps saying 400 with socket is best(while using 420 socket in main hand)

[tropic ocean]

depends on the ilvl difference

but for off hand 5 or 10 lvls are usually inferior to socket

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gFDszxPk3MCzsPiUhm6DjB

OP is too strong

just run a stat weight, it will show you the weights for ilvl so you can compare

triple DD doesn't win out

D:

still going to run triple DD ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[granite beacon]

Out of curiosity, how much leech would leeching poison have to give you to make it worth taking over the other talents?

In your Opinion™

[strange python]

like a billion

[cobalt pelican]

too much

cheat death is basically a second life on most mechanics that can kill you from full life

leeching poison would have to overheal somehow and form a shield that serves a similar purpose to warrant using

or a very specific scenario, i guess

[tropic ocean]

I use leeching poison on jaina

😃

or when soloing dungeons

[split gulch]

Is the assassination module for wowanalyzer any good?

[tropic ocean]

good enough to show you basic flaws in your gameplay yes

[strange python]

leeching on jaina you brave as hell

[granite beacon]

Are there any particular WA things you guys like to use? I have trackers set for my DoTs and for the subterfuge buff.

[small island]

how much uptime do u guys usually have on blightborne?

[tropic ocean]

@granite beacon i use mizerokk rogue was

[civic palm]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[tropic ocean]

and some m+ related ones like cd tracker, kick tracker, targeted spells

[civic palm]

pimps his shiiiiiiiiit

Note: The latest WA update defaults pixel glow width to 4px and not 1px because who fucking knows why and I updated the thingie for that soooogogetit.

[tropic ocean]

@small island https://prnt.sc/nxkn55

jaina uptime

[small island]

i had 15% uptime on stormwall, 13% on rasta and 8% on conclave this reset

[tropic ocean]

maybe ur boss uptime is low?

[small island]

no

took 1min 50sec to get first proc on conclave apparently

[tropic ocean]

https://prnt.sc/nxkoo1

stormwall

[small island]

wtf

[granite beacon]

I'm more asking about specific things to track, than entire set-ups.

[tropic ocean]

https://prnt.sc/nxkoxo

rasta

[small island]

https://gyazo.com/eb85de6fcbbe80e1952e12a3835394f1 this was my stormwall

[tropic ocean]

idk my uptime is somewhere between 20-30% mostly

maybe u bad uptime/dont use enough spells?

like having lower apm than you should have

[small island]

my uptime is fine etc

[civic palm]

@granite beacon Just CDs and needed DoTs really, everything past that is fluff IMO.

[small island]

my logs are fine

[granite beacon]

Aight.

[small island]

it just weird i got really low uptime on the buff

[civic palm]

Honestly if you don't need to track CDs because you've got some wide-eyed for periphery

[tropic ocean]

idk i've pretty much consistent uptime in every kill

sometimes some really good procs but never really bad ones idk

think its related to apm/uptime

[civic palm]

It's 1PPM + Haste more than likely.

[small island]

ye i dno, my uptime is basically 99% according to logs and only time im not using spells is when im pooling for TB

[tropic ocean]

https://prnt.sc/nxkrb9

over the whole reclear

(bosses only)

[small island]

i saw some rogue on first boss had 5 proccs during that fight

had the buff basically the whole fight

[civic palm]

uhhuh

[tropic ocean]

47 procs in about 42min fight time

[civic palm]

About right.

[warm beacon]

what’s the best haste % for single target?

[rigid mango]

There is no best haste

[warm beacon]

average

[civic palm]

https://tenor.com/view/infinity-gif-6038008

[rigid mango]

Sim yourself and see what's best

Just sim, lol.

[warm beacon]

4Head

[rigid mango]

Yeah

No kidding

Idk what you're trying to get at

[distant lava]

liar @civic palm

the only stat that's good with infinity is mastery

maybe vers

[civic palm]

Vers probably wins that yeah.

[warm beacon]

maybe crit

[civic palm]

What no.

[rigid mango]

[civic palm]

Crit literally caps @ 100%

Vers is just raw +DMG%.

[rigid mango]

Idk if meming

Bow

Now*

[civic palm]

You smelly potato.

[tropic ocean]

wait

[warm beacon]

over 100% you get extra damage

[tropic ocean]

you dont crit 2x per spell if u have 200% crit?

[broken crypt]

raidbots vs pawn is off on my sin gear

[tropic ocean]

:^)

[broken crypt]

4 items

follow raidbots?

[rigid mango]

Raidbots

Don't use stat weights though

Sim top gear instesd

[cobalt pelican]

raidbots and pawn are supposed to be linked by you yourself anyway unless you're using the default weights

so they'll always be the exact same in terms of 'stat weights' which suk anyways

[broken crypt]

hmm

i may have been doin it wrong this whole time 😦

[misty tusk]

with Shrouded suffocation and TB, in the ST opener, do I Vanish as the first 24 sec Garrote runs out or do I do it earlier to line up with vendetta?

[civic palm]

You will sync vendetta+vanish later in the fight.

[misty tusk]

so 2nd vendetta is delayed to line up?

[distant lava]

@civic palm I mean vers scales forever yeah, but mastery too

and mastery is better for sin

[civic palm]

Mastery doesn't scale auto-attacks, VERS WINS!!

[granite beacon]

[thin ingot]

theres a guy in my guild saying he looted a 420 ilvl dagger from the chest

is that possible?

on an alt fosure si i cant raid inspect him

[civic palm]

Ye

[proud wren]

why no ttk https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dVSGJpCkDtSHkdebXeT3oj

[rigid mango]

What?

[hasty brook]

I got my 420 dagger from chest. Why would you think someone would lie about that anyways?

[proud wren]

Does that seem low for my ilvl?

[rigid mango]

You're 397

stop caring about your sim dps

[prime merlin]

!essence

[rigid mango]

!essences

[solid nova]

Gone

[rigid mango]

Ah

[prime merlin]

Fair enough

[rigid mango]

Was it jhsut bec it was sorta outdated richard?

[wispy iron]

anyone willing to take a look on my logs etc? not sure whether I am just unlucky procs or there is some serious issue, I just can get the better parse, https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vDTbwzhMcLkVagYZ#fight=19&type=summary&source=2&view=timeline , I can upload the video as well if you want

[hasty brook]

SIming for 395 is not bad. Helped me pick the better of the 13 rings I had LOL. As long as you don't mean pike a couple hundred dps off.

[rigid mango]

I mean you can sim and check pieces

but there's no reason to try to compare yourself to good dps sims when you're so far off being there

[hasty brook]

Ah yeah. Of course not

[rigid mango]

Asking if your dps is good for 397 is just not very productive tbh

[hasty brook]

I am not really digging this master assassin opener with no SS. Miss SS 😦

[rigid mango]

I didn't either at first, now I really like it

Prefer it, actually

[hasty brook]

You're right about the dps at 395. I know it works okay if you have no idea what traits to use at all but that is about it

[polar cape]

Best part of MA is no delayed vanish

[hasty brook]

Also I got used to the SS and sub talent and multi dotting classes for more energy. Felt higher skillcap

[rigid mango]

I mean, it's also the fact that there aren't a lot of people with optimal gear at that level

[hasty brook]

True. Both CDs come up at same time

[rigid mango]

So you can't ever compare to anything, really

[hasty brook]

Good point Zine

I find that my dmg drops off over time in MA though vs SS opener but maybe will time it gets better

But my burst hitd close to 70k

[rigid mango]

Yeah, obviously

You have much smoother dps with SS than the spiky dps of MA builds

[hasty brook]

exp with mythc+ on it? Would it be good to burst the bosses down?

[rigid mango]

Never

Sub is a hard need, no chance

[hasty brook]

so I would just switch to my other armor at 405 vs my 420 for the SS trait and go sub

Easy enough

[rigid mango]

You need atleast one SS and sub for m+

And the traits that are actually good for m+ compared to raid

[hasty brook]

Yeah I could not imagine going in there without at. At times I have beat combat and DH damage with it

[rigid mango]

differ entirely, for assa

[hasty brook]

aoe dmg that is

[rigid mango]

hm

[hasty brook]

Thanks for that info

[rigid mango]

?

[hasty brook]

Was saying with SS I was getting some high aoe numbers vs DH and outlaw

I keeping calling outlaw, combat -.- old habbit

[rigid mango]

Yeah, well assa has one of the highest dps in the game for aoe

if you build it for it

[hasty brook]

That is right there are other traits for it but never speced into it

[rigid mango]

You'll out damage outlaws , just depends on pulls etc

[hasty brook]

If I can keep up with a good geared one I am more than happy. Plus on boss fights we just melt the meters

[rigid mango]

For m+, not really

Since you're sacrificing a lot of damage to do good aoe

[hasty brook]

I usually at 409 was doing 25k plus on boss gihts. Last week was hitting 35k by the end of it. 2xNP and a SS

[rigid mango]

You're doing 35k ST dps as 409 on tyr keys?

What level are we talking?

[hasty brook]

No this was last week, fortifide?

forget. Never with tyr

[rigid mango]

I mean, it's not changed week for me yet

😄

[hasty brook]

Ah tuesday here. Was FORTIFIED. now it's TYRANNICAL

Yikes

[rigid mango]

Aye, it's tuesday for me too

But it's not changed week yet

<- Eu

[hasty brook]

Gotcha EU

[supple compass]

You’re not doing 35k st at 409

Bursting=/= your full dps

[distant lava]

2xNP in fortified week YIKES

[hasty brook]

I have ended fights with that dps on fort weeks but with luston third boss motherload

[rigid mango]

That's a yikes from me dawg

Yeah, NP is atrocious in m+

even more so during fort

[hasty brook]

I also just have done 10-11. Not anything above because radio io

raderIO

[distant lava]

I've seen some sin player that blast bosses with full raid az in m+

still slows down the key more than an unholy doing 15 k ST

[rigid mango]

Yeah

[hasty brook]

So does the guide have what traits to use on certain affix weeks?

[rigid mango]

No, doubt it

Any mix of Eb/ttk/ss

is good

[hasty brook]

Okay. I wouldn't have known until someone mentioned bad traits for it

I assume you can't sin for it.

[rigid mango]

not really

Simming dungeon stuff is a bit scuffed for m+

[hasty brook]

So you guys just know what all to use week after week

[rigid mango]

When it comes for sin, that is

Yeah, I mean it doesn't change drastic amounts

normally a trait or two I swap around

[hasty brook]

Okay. Got to research it more. Normally stayed static with the traits.

[rigid mango]

I mean

You could do that

For m+

You could play 2/2/2

every week, and still be quite well off

[hasty brook]

2 2 2? like 2 eb 2 ttk and 2 ss if I have it

[rigid mango]

Yes

that

[hasty brook]

ok tyvm

[rigid mango]

It'll work well, any and every week

[hasty brook]

Thanks for the help. Been static based off sims and mainly focusing on raid with guild. Mythic+ we didn't have a hard time in but i am doing 10-11

[weary arrow]

cannot figure out why these two rogues agility is so greatly different (two of the top parses for sin on M jaina)
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hB4QkpFJya2NfZ68#fight=46&type=summary&translate=true&source=22
vs

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cqy2hKgT9xf4NGkv#fight=26&type=summary&source=19

please advise

in full raid gear/buffs my agi is like ~8100 at 417/418 ilvl

how does cryll have 9204 agi showing in his stats vs fantom at 8097 agi showing in stats..... i must be missing something obvious here

[solid nova]

Belt, boots, waist are over half the difference alone

[drifting cloud]

its just a UI bug

they dont have 1k different agi

[distant lava]

its not

I'd think it's cause the log takes the stats from the beginning of the fight

when that rogue has prepot

[drifting cloud]

well like I said, unbuffed they dont have 1k different agi

[weary arrow]

@drifting cloud @distant lava this makes way more sense

theres no way a difference of 2-3ilvl would be 1200 agi different

[rigid mango]

So why'd it only take th eone

both used prepoit

prepot*

[drifting cloud]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hB4QkpFJya2NfZ68#fight=44&type=summary&translate=true&source=22

here now he has 9k agi aswell

on the wipe

[weary arrow]

must be prepot then?

@drifting cloud your example shows fantoms agi over 9k on that wipe but on his #1 parse it shows 8097

[supple compass]

What made people stop taking ct in dungeons

[rigid mango]

EB

Does more dmg per GCD

[exotic rose]

Hey guys, should crimson tempest be used in any circumstances? Some guides say yes others don’t.

[rigid mango]

Not relaly

really*

It doesn't compare to PB nor HB

[floral loom]

how do people feel about using Leggings of the Aberrant Tidesage @410 for jaina progression?

err, i mean Stormglide Steps

[rigid mango]

uhh, is that uunat boots?

If so, hot garbage

[floral loom]

ya, ticking dot breaks them

[rigid mango]

Yes

then they're obviously bad

if you knew this, why ask

[floral loom]

i thought about it

but wanted to think with the group

[rigid mango]

Would you like to take less stats for no reason yes or no?

[floral loom]

to feel C O N N E C T E D

[fringe marsh]

is there a list for bis az pieces for raiding?

[rigid mango]

uhh tehre isn't a list afaik. but best pieces for patchwerky fights, like last 3 in bod

first boss helm/goraks/cepha are bis

[fringe marsh]

funny u mention i just opened a 415 random az chest and got it lol

Pogggg

[granite beacon]

Ain't no BiS in BFA

S p i n t h e w h e e l

[fringe marsh]

lol

[vast forum]

azerite still has kinda bis

tbh, bis is stormwall helm, gorak tul's and pvp chest that is exactly the same as cephalo, but has resounding protection

[white basalt]

What's better, 420 Lurker's +415 Plumage, or 420 Lurker's+ 380 Dead-eye Spyglass?

[rigid mango]

Simming

but 1st one, probably

I doubt 35 ilvls is worth it, but I may be wrong

[white basalt]

It seems like a pain to manage two on use but idk

[rigid mango]

Simming will tell you

It is, and it's bad

Especially when both want to be used during vend

Neither of the above are good, get a new dice/spyglass

[visual quartz]

plumage is good, not sure how a 380 deadeye could compete or am I in the dark?

[rigid mango]

Double on use

[visual quartz]

oh 2 on use

[rigid mango]

When both want to be used during vend

[supple compass]

How come akundas is less good for sin

[rigid mango]

Akundas?

[supple compass]

The trink off him

W/e it’s called

Council*

[meager nebula]

kimbuls razor claw?

[rigid mango]

aye

[meager nebula]

iirc the trinket procs more with higher haste values, and sin benefits from stats quite a bit more than say, outlaw

if you take this chart as a general guide for how well trinkets perform, kimbuls is already worse than the good dungeon trinkets, add in the fact that it does not scale well with additional targets, and that there are very few pure ST fights in the game at the moment, stat trinkets are just better for all content as sin

[strange python]

Hello, just wanted to ask whats the best trait stacking for mythic BFA atm. I keep seeing people going 3x shrouded instead of DD idk why

[rigid mango]

for what, raiding?

[strange python]

Yea

[rigid mango]

Depends on the fight

[strange python]

Im gna go for 8/9 mythic starting tmrw

[rigid mango]

Then DD

[strange python]

Wanted to know which are my best traits to go for

In order to be 30k + dps

[rigid mango]

30k dps

You wont get that

[strange python]

How so

[rigid mango]

It's an insane number?

[strange python]

Check few logs

[rigid mango]

if you're progging stormwall

are u doing

stormwall

or jain

?

[strange python]

Up to storm

Killed em before btw ^

Just wanted to see what traits would work best

[rigid mango]

Hope you realise top 5 logs

are 30k+

no other

On stormwall

[strange python]

Cuz i see alot of people using 3x shrouded

[rigid mango]

Yeah, on bosses with cleave

not last 3, where bosses have barely any cleave

and most of it is straight forwards ST

[strange python]

So basically if i wanna boost my dps

Up to the last 3 bosses

Go for 3x shrouded

And once i reach mekka go back to DD

[rigid mango]

More or less, there are arguments for either

Since entire raid doesn't seem like farm

I wouldn't do that

rasta, SS is better, but it's more pad and dps whoring

than actual valuable ST dmg that you get from DD MA

Same for opu, unless you lack aoe dps

[strange python]

Hmm

I guess ill stay On DD then

[rigid mango]

Yeah

And don't expect 30k

lol

[strange python]

Xd

[rigid mango]

For a melee class on stormwall, 30k is insane

[strange python]

First boss i should be fine doing 23k i guess

[rigid mango]

You shouldn't care about first boss

It's a god damn meme boss

no one cares about logs from there

[strange python]

[rigid mango]

same for opu

[strange python]

All bfa bosses are trash imo, jaina is the only one worth

Maybe mekka and storm abit

Thats why i asked abt traits, wanted to log em tmrw

[rigid mango]

If you'r eonly out for logs

just go on wcl and check what others are running?

[strange python]

Did

3x shrouded 😂

[rigid mango]

hm?

wdym

[strange python]

I checked wcl on people who did the bosses

Most of them went 3x shrouded

Which made me wonder big time dfq is going on

[rigid mango]

Most of them?

http://prntscr.com/nxq8zz

We must have very diff definitions of most

[strange python]

😂😂😂

I mean top ones xd

[rigid mango]

That's the top logs

In the world

I'm not sure what you're trying to get at

[strange python]

Oww

Looks like i suck at checking stuff 😂

Thanks alot @rigid mango

[rigid mango]

gl parsing

[strange python]

Oh one more thinng

[rigid mango]

Sup

[strange python]

2x nothing personal or should i get 1x and 1x trech?

[rigid mango]

Sim it

Last 3 are patchwerk

Sims'll tell you

[strange python]

Aite

Danke

[proud wren]

399 ilvl almost at 400

[desert night]

Any different parameters when simming for a Raid environment, or is Patchwerk 1 boss 5minutes sufficient?

[meager nebula]

patchwerk is sufficient enough

[desert night]

Appreciated, thank you.

[elfin plaza]

2x NP vs 1x Trech are going to be close in a sim but I would look at fight length if you are just barely getting another Full vendetta the value of more of that trait is better. Look at your old logs to see similar kill times for your group in particular and guess from there if the difference is small in the sim IMO @strange python

I like not having a TC when progressing Jania too but I was mostly just paranoid of last phase. Some people will have bigger balls

[rigid mango]

Also, it's down to p3 burst

where np is good, so

[elfin plaza]

true.

But I mostly said that for the Parse God a dagger to the Knee

[wise sun]

hey guys im new to sin swapping from outlaw, is there any specific times when I should be pooling energy? like a few seconds before toxic blade comes off cd or something?

[balmy condor]

ideally you would pool to get back into the envenom groove

I personally pool between tb's, only using energy when I have to

and then big tb, repeat

[wise sun]

so in each tb window you want to get like 3+ envenoms off right?

[balmy condor]

yeah

the dream is mut critting for 4 every time

when it happens you get a little wet spot on your pant leg

[wise sun]

lmao call it a wet dream. Awesome so when you say you only use energy when you have to does that mean like only for refreshing dots or to stop yourself from capping until TB comes off cooldown?

[balmy condor]

both

I like to refresh dots couple seconds before tb

and then sit there pooling at 4-5cp, tb into envenom

I saw some method people using tb on cd no matter energy or cp

I like it better that way

just play around those cd's

[wise sun]

okay good to know. is it a big deal if you use tb at max combo points?

[balmy condor]

its the envenom damage up that makes tb good

the 1cp is technically not optimal to overcap

but in the grand scheme of things w/e

I'd rather get off tb on cd than worry about the combo point

[wise sun]

okay, thanks a lot for the help 😄

[royal roost]

what traits do you guys think would be best this week in m+

[small aurora]

2xeb 3xttk 1xss/3xeb 2xttk 1xss will probs be the general recommendation

[balmy condor]

wtb ttk

all my m+ gear is still 3eb 3ss

[weak vine]

Do you guys think running 3x dd 3x np is worth or do you think changing 1 or 2 nps for tb and blightborne inf?

Also, while opening and using master assassin should i vanish before or after using toxic blade?