assassination

[untold mortar]

is there a scenario where we could rock a full bleed spec?

[balmy condor]

no

[untold mortar]

sadge

[frosty cedar]

say it aint so

[runic hinge]

I don’t have a guidion

[frosty cedar]

are you sub on alleria? we starting alleria monday after finally beating council

[runic hinge]

Crazy work playing DS sub tho lol

[frosty cedar]

hatred for council

[balmy condor]

I mean

I ain't gonna say it's looking really fucking good

but we did like an hour of p1

[runic hinge]

18k funnel damage lol

[frosty cedar]

[balmy condor]

and it's not pad btw

I'm doing healer damage on blobs

it was pretty gross

[sonic zinc]

just giga fucking the bosses huh

[balmy condor]

now granted it's like 1:00-2:00 pulls

so ya know

bit funny meme

the ranged have to learn the dance

and they'll optimize damage later

but I mean, shit is looking really strong

abusing the damage amp on the adds

works so much better on sub than assa

[frosty cedar]

sure I can 100% see that

[balmy condor]

I think 1:30 timing is just better in p2 as well

so I might be lower p3 but if I'm cranking first 2 phases I think it's chill

instead of assa just being giga afk until p3

[subtle tundra]

whispyr sub main is back

!!!!!!!!!!!

play duskwalker venthyr for 1.5 spec

❤️‍🔥

https://tenor.com/view/raiken-cat-hang-die-bitya-gif-26309780

[balmy condor]

and you get to do funny thing like this 2.3mil evisc

[frosty cedar]

[balmy condor]

damage amp on adds ya know

but still funny

I can get it to like 850k on a non-amp

genuinely just a fucking dm kingsbane in a finisher

kinda gross

[frosty cedar]

so ill be getting blasted by my sub rogue then

[balmy condor]

yeh sort by boss damage and hide your meter until p3

[golden loom]

heck yeah time to get 1100 haste to play ds

[subtle tundra]

guys its all mickey mouse stuff

you dont matter

do mechanics and you win

[balmy condor]

I matter

[subtle tundra]

yes buddy you do youre very significant and the world would stop working without you

[frosty cedar]

me too

[balmy condor]

thanks varas

[subtle tundra]

you too

[frosty cedar]

what a nice thing to say

[balmy condor]

varas is one of the most positive people I know

[subtle tundra]

yes ive changed

[sick marsh]

This means we should always rupture at 7 cp first ?

[balmy condor]

no

it means you finish on 5cp and you just refresh as normal

[subtle tundra]

i wish i could finish

been having trouble

[balmy condor]

sorry to hear that

[sick marsh]

Okok ty

[near valley]

just need the right motivation

think of affordable mortgage rates

always helps me

[bronze panther]

Assassination or sub?

[dire flume]

you're asking in the assa channel what answer are you expecting

[rugged basalt]

People often ask “how do I succeed in playing rogue?”. Does it come down to hard work? Discipline? Luck?

Truthfully, it takes more than that. It takes sacrifice, day in, day out.

Take me for example, I haven’t had sex in almost 3 years.

“Haven’t you only been actively playing for a year tho?”

Irrelevant.

To work hard you gotta be hard. And nobody is harder than me. Stay hard out there ✊

[bronze panther]

I mean damage wise is it better?

[dire flume]

only 3?

[rugged basalt]

They’re both fine to pick what you find is more fun

[frosty cedar]

purely anecdotal evidence suggests assa is very op

[bronze panther]

Assasination can compete with sub at same skill and gear level on meters?

[dire flume]

its a different damage profile but "which does more" has like a billion variables

[strange onyx]

Yes

[rugged basalt]

What type of content will you be pushing

[bronze panther]

I have no intention of prioritising priority targets my spot on the meters is more relevant if i can say

[rugged basalt]

No further comments at this time.

[bronze panther]

Raids mostly mythic raids

[rugged basalt]

Is your objective purely padding the damage meter? Or like being useful

[bronze panther]

Padding the damage meter

[rugged basalt]

#subtlety #subtlety-faq

[dire flume]

john dps

[wild ledge]

fuckin based

[bronze panther]

I guess some people play to be useful i play for meters haha

[bronze panther]

Im the 4th sub rogue in guild i wanted to see if i could get this result with assasination

[rugged basalt]

There’s more than 1 rogue in your guild? Wtf

[bronze panther]

Yeah 3 so thats why i wanted to see assa

[hollow river]

[wild ledge]

god comp

what mythic guild runs 4 rogues man

[shell plaza]

last time we had a second rogue was during BFA

[dire flume]

one that cares about meters

[rugged basalt]

You’re going to end up competing with sub

[shell plaza]

never seen anyone else but me since then xdd

[grim jay]

The question is kinda not leading you anywhere if the reason to do it isnt there in the first place

[rugged basalt]

The one other guy in my previous guild that was rogue swapped to another class

[wild ledge]

classic

[frosty cedar]

bro has 50% of the rogue population in his guild

[rugged basalt]

You are right

We do have potentially 3 in this group im doing raids with…

[bronze panther]

I have a warrior same ilvl in reserve.

So there is no chance to outpad sub as assa or is there anything i can do?

[dire flume]

assa is there to do boss damage

target switching is not in its wheelhouse so you will not pad

unless its like dragons and you play sudden demise and ask them all to not touch the orbs

[balmy condor]

assa only ever has a chance to pad when no one else decides to pad

[dire flume]

and it really doesnt sound like your guild is the most ethical

[balmy condor]

any class that bursts will just get there before you do

[grim jay]

The duality

One moment we are speaking of padding as if its the devil himself

The next moment we are sad if we cant outpad a different spec

[cunning needle]

probably perception bias but i've only ever noticed sub rogue getting spoken badly off for padding

also it's not pad if th e adds need to di e

[balmy condor]

any bleed build viable

[cunning needle]

but also fuck fights with adds

[grim jay]

Yeah because it has the best options to pad, but that doesnt really change the issue at hand. People call everything padding even if it isnt, shame padding if anyone does it and yet are sad if they cant do it

[rugged basalt]

I’d take adds over pallys.,

[bronze panther]

I use every kind of mechanics to try my best even ones that goes against the fight. Im not trying against top 1k players if you get my point

[grim jay]

Sudden demise dragons gaming?

[bronze panther]

I would prefer a wipe than a kill where im at bottom of meters

[rugged basalt]

I like this guy

[cunning needle]

based

[rugged basalt]

Guys I know we’re about to kill but can we wipe I desynced my cd

[grim jay]

I'd kick anyone in a heartbeat

[bronze panther]

I took a break from legion to now didnt think i would come back

Came back to pad meters now before i agree i used to play to be useful

[rugged basalt]

Like, the expansion and not the remix?

[subtle tundra]

actually if you get mechanics in your cooldowns you have an obligation to fuck them up

[balmy condor]

crazy work

[grim jay]

Guy became the incarnation of everything people hate about parse culture

[bronze panther]

I only learn about mechanics that can kill me or limit my damage and what i can cloak or use a pot/heartstone to continue the damage.

[shell plaza]

[bronze panther]

The expansion i left at guldan

[rugged basalt]

Holy fuck he’s him

[subtle tundra]

bro heartstones back to silvermoon

[rugged basalt]

He’s parsing peter

[subtle tundra]

healthystone !

[bronze panther]

Im not even someone who parse or check logs. Aint got time for that. I want to pad meters in my average guild thats all

[grim jay]

Yeah you just pull the boss, hearthstone and hit the aoe dummies

Thats the new tech

[rugged basalt]

Escape rope tech

[grim jay]

Funny thing is, you could just top meters by being a good player

In an average guild

[bronze panther]

This is already the case i need to do it on the so called sub tier spec on the class. I leveled and play sub its boring

Last time i touched assasinstion and outlaw was legion

[golden loom]

holy moly its John Details

[rugged basalt]

Not even parsing peter it’s meters matthew

I couldn’t off spec into sub for the life of me I don’t enjoy playing it personally

[dire flume]

i like the concept of sub

but then you play it and its ice soup after 3 globals

[rugged basalt]

Subs in general yes sub the specialisation no

[static glacier]

To be fair Mr Recount Ronald, I think rogues issue is the lack of raidbuff and a good amount of the harder fights being insane for ranged specs / rogue’s weaker at its niche (burst damage) than it was, atleast sub is. Sin just can’t aoe this tier

[safe kestrel]

for keys, do you take athropic or numbing poison? i feel like numbing should help with the casts, no? or passive DR is better?

[golden loom]

numbing is mainly for the attackspeed slow

which helps the tank take less dam

[static glacier]

Like no matter what you do, you aren’t beating mm on paladins, even if said mm has genuinely total 1hr xp on the spec in midnight

[subtle tundra]

i love when ppl play a fight their spec is dogwater at and blue parse but they are top dps in their guild

they dont realise their teammates are actual amoebas instead of human

[dire flume]

being bad at a video game doesn't make you not a person

[strange onyx]

Ugliest mofo

[bronze panther]

Im not there to buff i do agree we could get some new poisons that actually does stuffs.

So the conclusion is to stay sub

[dire flume]

is atrophic just flat dr for everyone on the team

@balmy condor

[cunning needle]

What else would it be

[dire flume]

idk if it had some dumb weird interactions

[cunning needle]

The only dumb weird interaction is that it doesn't work on everything (enviroment)

[rugged basalt]

Sigh reinstalling.

[serene mason]

can i track the envenom energy recovery % in standard cooldown manager?

[strange onyx]

Wha

[fluid oak]

!implac

[prisma monolith]

Implacable is bugged in Blizzard's Cooldown Manager, there is no way to "fix" it.

Until blizzard fixes it, you just have to either count your envenoms or glance at your buff bar if you're trying to be optimal. Ignoring it when it bugs is <1% loss.

[serene mason]

well ty @fluid oak

[oak tangle]

gdi

[last moth]

Hey, I mostly played sub this Season, now I want for the Dragons and M+ Switch to assa are there any fix stats I want to reach Like 700haste

[zinc frost]

Nope

[last moth]

Allright thx 🙏

[bronze panther]

No on talks about the kill only performance on the kill why would i lie sir?

[terse rapids]

Hi pals. With regards to envenom; do I just wanna use it immediately once I reach 5+ CP or should I always wait until I either am close to capping energy, or the buff has 1 sec left?

I can't really find anywhere that has a clear answer on this. Most guides just say "Envenom with 5+ CP"; so I'm guessing just spam?

[strange onyx]

What kind of goofy macgee guild are you in?

[strange onyx]

Spam envenoms until 80 stacks of implacable

[terse rapids]

And and then let it drop?

[strange onyx]

Then you can drop the envenom buff

But not if it means you overcap on energy

[terse rapids]

So I'll always wanna let it drop so long as I don't overcap on energy?

[strange onyx]

While waiting for it drop you can refresh dots if they are in the pandemic window (less than 6 sec left)

[strange onyx]

On 80 stacks yeah

[terse rapids]

ok

thanks skoop

[strange onyx]

5 envenoms = 80 stacks

Np bob

If you got more questions shoot them in my DM or in here

[errant sinew]

finally killed m chim with pugs

what a ride

[radiant raven]

Hellll yeah, more puglords

[frosty cedar]

bro has turned over a new leaf

[near valley]

Expected from the Loa of Information

[bronze panther]

Joined this week no clue found a random one that meets my schedule and i do not have to send an appication form

Used raider io to search few demanded an application of some sort

Guess ill stay sub then thanks for your information guys

[narrow mauve]

Going through archon, I noticed that I sin has become quite popular in m+.
Tempted to try out but not a blind "meta slave". Any particular reasons why sins is starting to shine in m+? 🤔

[agile wedge]

stuff lives longer with higher keys

more pew pew on sin side

[narrow mauve]

Ah. I see. Thanks.

[agile wedge]

the "rule" says drop whenever you hit 80 and you would not overcap. so at how much energy i would overcap? like if i had 150 and would need to wait 4 secs for example?

[azure mirage]

Hi! Does anyone know how to remove this energy bar from my UI? I think it’s coming from an addon but I’m not sure which one. Thanks!

[plush isle]

Did anyone on PTR check if maybe Blizzard fucked up again and you can Mark for Death as as Fatebound ? i mean its Blizzard on Rogue so the Chance is not 0%.

[unreal hazel]

So do we envenom exclusively on 5+ cp’s while building implac

[grim jay]

We apply the general finisher rules at all times

[agile wedge]

look for something called "personal resource display"

and deactivate

[oak ember]

The only way to proc our hero talents is with 5+ envenoms. Anything over 5 is fine, but anything under 5 is worthless

[analog field]

in general under 5 cp is worthless

many talents enhance it

[grim jay]

There being no reason to finish under 5 aside

[strange onyx]

That is a bit dependent on too many factors. There can be no single rule for it. Best advice is to have an energy bar and when you start inching close to overcap you just spend

[strange onyx]

Yoo, I have done this for a long time. I even thought that guy about implacable on video and voice

I am not as evil as Whispyr paints me to be

[rugged basalt]

I always try to live by this rule

[severe meadow]

I accidentally sent a 2cp envenom last night and I felt my soul leave my body

[strange onyx]

Sent some 4 cp envenom by accident on palas

Not the end of the world

[analog field]

yeah or sometimes in m+ where you fok env without looking

and you end up on 3 or 4

[strange onyx]

Fuck Fok fokking hate it

[trim cairn]

You can just make a cancelaura Envenom macro

[calm grail]

Would not letting my implaccable drop intentionally cuck my damage?

[trim cairn]

Iirc Whispyr said something like 1-2% damage so shouldnt matter

[analog field]

why do that?

you are losing dmg

[trim cairn]

Not sure if the single buffed envenom will make more difference than utilizing the energy regen whenever its available

But personally it's because I run SD 😛

So I only have 1 point in the Rapid Injection anyways

[analog field]

cancelling env buff makes no sense

[subtle tundra]

i always cancel aura it, i have multiple cancel auras for different situations

[hollow river]

Idk if it’s optimal to do but it makes a bit of sense

At max stacks for the energy iirc

If waiting it out would otherwise overcap you from the refund?

I’m not a pve guy tho so no idea

[jolly stirrup]

My Guild cleared Saladbar while I was benched because they wanted to see more people... felt horrible, but at least I am in again for Dragons Progression on monday and for reclear also... but I felt miserable

[strange onyx]

To see more people?

[dire flume]

new headset arrived :gladge:

[jolly stirrup]

To find the best group for progression. At least I established myself early this and last season. But yeah..

[jolly stirrup]

Now you can Wipe in Dolby Atmos

[severe meadow]

Pog

I’d like to get a new headset soonish

And a keyboard

[dire flume]

last thing i want to replace now is my mouse

but ill leave that for a bit

[rugged basalt]

Looks nice

What mouse do you currently use

[dire flume]

razer something

i got it because it was pink then decided i didnt like pink all that much

same with the headset

i want to get a gwolf

[rugged basalt]

I don’t like razer stuff. While it’s sooo light I feel like it has the worst QA but that’s anecdotal

[dire flume]

it works fine for me and my grip and had no issues in a couple of years just

fancy something new

[rugged basalt]

I was using a superlight gen 1 but I switched to attack shark x3 mouse, lowkey just as good and way cheaper lol

[severe meadow]

My casual / fps mouse is pink

Getting really close to having everything how I want it (moving paused upgrades)

[crisp pine]

pc on the floor smh

[severe meadow]

I left my old stool at the old house

[fervent relic]

Do we have already sims for the upcoming changes?

[severe meadow]

[rugged basalt]

Mines on the floor as well but I regret having an ikea table

Can’t arm mount my monitors 😭

[spice surge]

Well there arent any for assa

Its just QoL with the extra mark moving spell and a talent you will never talent into

[polar sail]

Class tunning drop today.

[warm vortex]

Doubt it?

We’ve already got a ton of notes for next week no?

Could be wrong though

[spice surge]

Probably will see notes today to even out some of the changes theyve done

[subtle tundra]

assa 3% aura

nerf

too much st

✅

[spice spire]

You changed lil bro

[spice surge]

If they dont do anything id be very surprised seeing as theyre buffing devourer (the best spec in the game by most metrics) by 3-5%

[polar sail]

Probably today and next reset arrive these class tunning

[warm vortex]

I just prey they don’t look at logs and go

“Oh sv op lets invert the buffs”

[polar sail]

😂

[verbal sable]

does CT spread improved garrote or the spreaded one is not improved one?

i remmeber there was some talk about it in past

[subtle tundra]

lil bro nobody cares about your gimmick spec surv

[warm vortex]

Varas

[subtle tundra]

meow

[drifting cloud]

[spice surge]

It spreads the longest duration garrote you have

If that is improved, it will be spread as improved

[verbal sable]

cool

[static glacier]

As a fellow sv, the spec isn’t OP lmao, it just has low cd burst aoe and can delete adds before others touch them while having respectable st, maybe if it had b shout or mark of the wild / sky fury I’d consider it genuinely OP

[warm vortex]

It isn't

[static glacier]

Yeah, anyone who’s played it knows

[keen plaza]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[warm vortex]

I said
If they look at the logs
and see uber fast add damage
They go

[lime edge]

With aoe blind this should be pretty good

[static glacier]

[trim cairn]

#pray

Does assa even need any buffs atm?

[lime edge]

Yes

[warm vortex]

I think its moreso

other 2 specs are getting buffed

assa isnt

[lime edge]

Theres a reason why assa has like 1% playrate

Or less even

[warm vortex]

I mean

[lime edge]

Rogue in general

[warm vortex]

when rogue has been super strong

it's still had super low playrate

[lime edge]

I mean not this low

[warm vortex]

the class isn't popular and a lot of people don't enjoy it

Ofc

It's lower due to the tuning atm

but on avarage isn't rogue like
bottom 3/2 classes in terms of players

[trim cairn]

ofc not when u can pick up DH or unholy DK and do more damage with single button rotation than peak rogue players :p

but I honestly don't see it in M+ thus far

Always topping the meters even against "better" classes

[lime edge]

Has rogue even been op ever

[warm vortex]

I mean
Dev has a pretty high skill celing no?
at least from what i've seen, despite it's low buttons

[lime edge]

Its been good but I dont remember it being op ever

Atleast not when I play

[trim cairn]

Werent the sims showing one button rotation on devo and DK doing more damage than piloted rogue before?

Might have been before the assa buffs though honestly

[lime edge]

[warm vortex]

Unsure thb

[warm vortex]

I mean
It's usually down there w monk
but BRWm is super good this season

[trim cairn]

Anyways I'm topping the meters in every single m+ even against devourers with 7 more ilvls

[warm vortex]

Trust me

Acc

no

assa is p good

I was gonna say smth diffrent

[gray raven]

Those buffs for DH are in the Tuesday patch?

[warm vortex]

When you get someone who can play dev or demo well
ESPECIALLY DEMO

You notice how insane those two are

i think demo is like
10% ahead of second or something

[trim cairn]

In m+?

[warm vortex]

Yep

[flint ridge]

What key level?

[trim cairn]

15-16 currently

[vestal wren]

yep

rogue is not popular

we are also not that good in m+ too

[lime edge]

I had a 225 demo matching a 265 outlaw

[vestal wren]

or raid for what its worth

[warm vortex]

P sure this ranking just pulls from logged high runs of keys

[trim cairn]

Top is 162k?

That cant be accurate

[warm vortex]

prolly generalized, unsure

As in
It's the avarage for keys from 14s-21s
so
if it was only like 19s-21s it would be much higher

[spice surge]

Also keep in mind dps on logs are counted across the whole key

[warm vortex]

Yep

[spice surge]

Whereas ingame meter only counts in combat time

[warm vortex]

including downtime

[trim cairn]

I am aware

But sounds really low regardless

[flint ridge]

Downtime is huge i reckon

[vestal wren]

https://x.com/lofibanshee/status/2044705995851456569?s=20

jordan, loa of statistics🖤💚 (@lofibanshee)

After looking at the percentage based breakdowns yesterday, I thought we'd look at early numbers of those that will acquire Keystone Myth with 12.0.5.

Of note, 4,644 Brewmasters have 3.4k io or higher.

Sources: @RaiderIO_WoW Leaderboards

X · Apr 16, 2026, 9:14 AM

rogue is basically the least represented class in the game, half as much as the 2nd least

in top keys

[warm vortex]

Yep

[trim cairn]

Zerøcool pulling 200k on logs

[warm vortex]

Damn priest is rough too

[trim cairn]

Sounds more correct

[vestal wren]

12.0.5 tries to help a bit, by buffing specs slightly and giving us aoe blind back

[warm vortex]

Considering it has multiple roles

[trim cairn]

because I have several logs above 150k and I am not a good player

and I am only 272 ilvl

[vestal wren]

i mean some things are still dire

anyone that played subtlety on paladins knows what i mean

[warm vortex]

Again im pretty sure it's due to the sheer volume of things, so the "top" would be slightly innacurate due to the key elvels

[vestal wren]

the top keys are too meta heavy, the diffrence between picking good players and picking good classes is too high

[trim cairn]

But yeah kinda funny how arms warrior has been shit on by the mainstream yet they are absolutely slamming in m+ 😛

[vestal wren]

so you never bring a player over a class

[dire flume]

i have to have unholy demo brew otherwise i will never time a 12

[warm vortex]

It was mainly early patch iirc

Where arms was putrid

I personally just pre queue with a brew who has high keys but that's a diffrent thing

[vestal wren]

(there are exceptions to the rule ofc)

[warm vortex]

Haven't pushed much tho as most of my time has been in seat for shoulders

Highest i've managed to do is only a 17

Might do a quick seat before lunch

[trim cairn]

always

Like SD is really bad talent build for high keys but when I use it its the exception

[gray raven]

That’s generally with an aug

[spice surge]

Its logs

Aug doesnt matter

[trim cairn]

Aug buff damage gets attributed to aug on logs

[spice surge]

But also he is pulling it on a single log

[coral ibex]

200k on logs is crazy

thats a lot

[spice surge]

In pit 20 specifically

[coral ibex]

oh its a pit 20

yea that tracks

[weary shoal]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[lime edge]

Seat

[trim cairn]

I was just pointing out the 200k because the previous chart said 162k was top logged dps as assa

[warm vortex]

[trim cairn]

but like the guy who linked it said it might be some sort of aggregate

[lime edge]

Didnt sprint use to have a slow cleanse

Or am I delusional

[frigid lagoon]

been spamming dungs that drop daggers so i can finally have a heroic offhand

hasn't dropped yet...

[trim cairn]

When I was young we had Burst of Speed

[vestal wren]

trying to get the ring?

[warm vortex]

Shoulders on hunter

[vestal wren]

ohh

[vestal wren]

they are at least tradeable

[warm vortex]

Yea
Last 8 runs has been with 1-2 mail traders each time

[sacred oyster]

damn i truely play the underdogs, i also play priest lol

[dusty skiff]

what plater profile are we using this season for m+?

[plain thistle]

i think most people are using platynator

[dusty skiff]

gotcha, any specific prof?

[plain thistle]

jundies, but there others

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[dusty skiff]

thanks!

[jolly stirrup]

Any reason i am unable to roll on Myth Belt from Chimmi when I have it in HC?

Has it always been like this?

[brave gyro]

🚿 🚿 🚿

Stinky

[warm vortex]

Btw

i did a run with 2 mail traders

no luck again

gonna try more after lunch

[dire flume]

just loot it or?

[brave gyro]

Try femail traders instead

And email the requested item

[verbal sable]

Spoke to buff reminder dev, you can choose not to have cripling poison show up when talented into double poison

[coral ibex]

why

[verbal sable]

So you dont have addon remind you that you missing poison, when you don't want to have it in keys

[coral ibex]

lol

[vast shuttle]

hard to get the neck from pit of saron?

[golden loom]

its 50/50

[coral ibex]

what a stupid thing to care about, crippling poison doesn't matter

every spec has passive slows and cc built in

rets are literally stunning every pack

[half igloo]

Read the original msg again

[golden loom]

"no utility class" meanwhile every dungeon is undead and rets stun the pack for 5 seconds in their rotation

fuck ret paladins AMEN

[coral ibex]

not sure what you think i missed

guy thinks not applying crippling poison matters in m+

equip your 4 poisons and stop thinking

[half igloo]

Aight

[somber sparrow]

I loved it, one of the best abilities, so short-lived

[normal mist]

Bring back mop

And bring back amokebomb

[shell kraken]

On 2-target cleave, do you guys use CT (60 energy) or apply gar (45) + rupture (25) individually?
Obv at start CT is prefeered, but gar is within pandamic and rupture - how do you reason here?

[golden loom]

CT

rupture isnt 25 energy

cause you are also investing combo points

while CT builds aswell

[verbal sable]

i dont think you run cripling in keys but maybe im wrong

since it messing up with gathering

[sacred oyster]

ive never had someone ask me to stop using crippling lol

most pulls arent that spaced out to matter, the tank just brings the newest mobs back to the original ones

[proper rain]

at the start of aoe whe we dont have snd up do we simply dont care about it before we eventually envenom?
I.E do we just apply snd through envenom and whnever it happens?

[golden loom]

envenom

[verbal sable]

i dont see cripling on this R1 rogue either

[sacred oyster]

you never manually cast snd, dont think about snd

[proper rain]

best change to rogue, EVER

thanks fellas

[warm vortex]

Nioe

*nope

Best change to rogue was fient off gcd

SnD not raw casting is mega juicyt tho

Actually

they are both good

[proper rain]

if only feint cost 0 energy now 😉

[sacred oyster]

of course it doesn't hurt to not cast it for any experienced group, and sure you may save a few seconds overall on the dungeon run, but in the end its not going to have any meaningful impact on timing a key. its going to maybe add at most 15 seconds to the run if you add up all the pulls

[verbal sable]

i totally agree with you, but my original mesage was bout you have option now. I did not say you should or should not use it

[warm vortex]

For some reason

I've seen multiple people say this

that they have been told to stop using crippling

which is
very strange

[verbal sable]

@keen mantle where your cripling mate

[sacred oyster]

it doesnt add much value, as you could maybe say on initial pull helping tank gain distance to not get hit in back, but problem is your not gonna have your poisons on the mobs fast enough to give the tank that benefit, so by time you have it on stuff, its meh.

I guess maybe helping dps/healer with fixate kiting?

[nova aspen]

it takes significantly longer to gather a pull if u crippling everything, and u do this to start applying bleeds while tank gathers

thats the only reason i can see why they would want u to remove crippling

[viral sage]

thats exactly why, it slows grouping and does make a big difference over the whole dungeon in top keys

[verbal sable]

you can always apply poison in case pull with kiting comming too btw

it was thing since forever

[proper rain]

whats the target amount required for FoK over mutilate?

[verbal sable]

depends on talents

[keen mantle]

it slows down pulling wdym

mobs stack slower

mobs die slower

[verbal sable]

bro you do low weekly keys what do you know

@coral ibex would tell you different

[keen mantle]

thats what i do right now

[verbal sable]

you btteer focus up, wanna see you on main stage

[golden loom]

288

[proper rain]

do you mind elaborating? I cant find anything about it on the icyveins guide but maybe im blind

[golden loom]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok/Generator Conditions in Midnight
Always finish on 5+ combo points, or go to maximum with Darkest Night Envenom

• Crimson Tempest -> until all targets have bleeds
• Fan of Knives -> 2+ targets, or 3+ if talented into blindside
• Mutilate/Ambush otherwise

[proper rain]

thanks!

[verbal sable]

it was like 15 years since i was getting my stuff from iceveins, im suprised it still survive next to wowhead

[keen mantle]

its tournament realm

not that my retail character is far from it

my rogue is 283.5 on retail

[proper rain]

i didnt like the wording on wowhead for rogue, confusing for me as a non-rogue veteran

[verbal sable]

btw casual did you just leak meta comp

[keen mantle]

yes

[verbal sable]

they just updated buff reminders so dont have to have cripling reminder in middle of your screen

i saw you with it 😄

[nova aspen]

i mean i could pick that comp out from archon's shitty tierlist

+/- unholy dk

[jolly stirrup]

How tf is 288 even possible

Thats so much

[nova aspen]

tournament realm

[little condor]

is sudden demise good in 10s ?

[verbal sable]

max is 289 w/ou crafts

[spice spire]

Probably not, you do negative st

[lime edge]

Yes

[analog field]

What is the damage lost with not using crippling ? anyone has a number?

[lime edge]

Make sure u do the new sudden demise tree

[analog field]

like if you play a key without crippling at all

[little condor]

have a link?

[lime edge]

I dont think crippling gives u damage

Its from wowhead

It got updated

[analog field]

lethal dose works with all poisons

[runic hinge]

I thought it gave you a lethal dose stack but maybe it doesn’t anymore

[lime edge]

Lethal dose says lethal no?

[analog field]

dont trust tooltips

[runic hinge]

I’d ask someone smarter than me. It worked for all of TWW

[analog field]

yeah it still works

[lime edge]

Oh

[analog field]

it just confuses people cause of saying lethal

[lime edge]

Bug

[brittle quail]

plenty of talents apply where they shouldnt or the opposite so tooltip doesnt really matter

[runic hinge]

Yeah wow tooltips are notoriously bad lol

[brittle quail]

but i don't know if you loose dmg or not

[lime edge]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/talent-builds-pve-dps

[analog field]

I mean if we didn't lose dmg we would not be playing crippling

[lime edge]

This one

Weekly keys

I mean i usually dont use crippling

[brittle quail]

and thats crazy to say most people dont trust tooltip from a game with subcriptions made by a single dollar company

like its acceptable

[analog field]

i mean it is really hard sometimes

this one is funny

but all talents working with each other is not easy

[sacred oyster]

what addon you using to give the elvui character sheet there? i tried to get my friend one who doesnt use elvui but it didnt look as good

though i like how that wraps the enchants better than elvui does

[analog field]

i like the chonky sheet

but it is a bit too chonky

[sacred oyster]

and holy crap 288 o.o

[analog field]

it is a tournament realm for mdi

[sacred oyster]

i dont know what mdi is, is that like a non official server?

[runic hinge]

Mid season invitational

They push keys really fast

In max gear

On a tournament realm

You can watch on twitch

[analog field]

yeah it is a tournament with good players playing keys xd

[runic hinge]

I won’t be there if you can believe it

[analog field]

yeah you will be in the finals

[severe meadow]

Me either, had a dinner planned

Maybe next time..

[sacred oyster]

so its something blizz does to boost ppl and test balance at higher levels or something?

[severe meadow]

It’s just a tournament

[sacred oyster]

https://raider.io/tournaments/mdi ah competition thing for money

[severe meadow]

Of different groups

[proper rain]

ive been tanking the entire season and no rogues hit from behind in my groups, do mobs not parry/dodge dps anymore and force people to attack behind?

[sacred oyster]

so blizz sponsors it to provide the servers for it?

[severe meadow]

Things do parry yes

[acoustic roost]

Anybody can sign up for it as well. You get a toy banner on live servers for doing 2 keys

[severe meadow]

@marble hemlock is our parry enjoyer

[rough dust]

in m+ mobs do not parry

in raid u are getting parried on cd

[proper rain]

so always attack from behind?

[normal mist]

When possible

And if you're not trolling your healers

[proper rain]

healer is my friend so i am always trolling him

[rough dust]

based

[analog field]

i mean in m+ it doesn't matter and in raid half of the times it is not possible

so who cares

[proper rain]

why does it not matter in m+?

[analog field]

there is no parry in m+

[proper rain]

what, why?

[plain thistle]

because blizzard said so

[high dust]

did they fix the TBC weapon ...thingy? i dont remember whats called

[analog field]

afaik the opponent has to be +3 lvl

in dungeons mobs and bosses are 81 82

[analog field]

dont think so

[proper rain]

how weird... alright so in m+ i can stand wherever?

[analog field]

y

[proper rain]

only sub has increased damage from behind?

[high dust]

yes

[analog field]

I mean increased dmg is a way to put it

[high dust]

and only with backstab i think

[analog field]

isn't it only for backstab?

yeah

like 0 %

[rough dust]

ye 30% higher crit chance

[high dust]

20% of a button u dont want to press

oh 30% crit nvm

[marble hemlock]

Only bosses (indicated by a skull next to the portrait) have a chance to parry. That's usually reserved for raid bosses, but sometimes it still applies to bosses in dungeons too.

[severe meadow]

No

[analog field]

it was like rashanan mostly

[high dust]

Good... good...

[marble hemlock]

Sometimes Blizz changes a raidboss to just have 0% chance to be missed though like Halondrus, Rashanan, Krosus, etc.

[rough dust]

ye if u cannot hit him from behind

[high dust]

damn halondrus with parry would be annoying

[severe meadow]

God when my KB would get parried

[severe meadow]

Rough day

[high dust]

Rough week.

[royal lantern]

my ansurek pull where she parried me 4x in a row

[severe meadow]

Could get a 3rd one

[high dust]

Dont tempt lady luck

if we play fatebound and the boss parries KB, it's the game telling us that he aint getting killed that pull. cause fate said so.

[warm vortex]

I remember i was having problems on dimmy w this

in p1

cause he can't be hit from behind

[high dust]

dimmy...? dimensius?

[marble hemlock]

theres a few bosses that were/are very annoying with this

tindral was a prime example, because bosses moving = whacky hitboxes, and you often just had to be in front of the boss a lot as well

[warm vortex]

Also got my shoulders after run 46

Would push but tank friend isn't online

[marble hemlock]

broodtwister also had a whacky hitbox

and you were still in front despite being like 15y away from the tanks

[proper rain]

why is my weapon broken after 2 dungeons?

paper weapons nowadays?

[keen spruce]

the center of broodtwister was like halfway into her tail

[marble hemlock]

ye

just a very weird looking shape/big boss

[keen spruce]

so visually it was a nightmare to kknow where to stand

[high dust]

i mean, we have like a ton of as cause doubledipping haste. each dungeon its like a thousand cuts.

[keen spruce]

big annoying

[granite magnet]

In a 5-8 mob pull where you already have your bleeds spread on all targets

If you vanish to apply improved garrote

Do you use re-spread the improved garrote?

[golden loom]

hmm I mean hes a big powerful dragondude... him parrying a little dagger swing seems pretty thematic I would say

[woeful wigeon]

is there like a specific target macro with kick / blind ? for adds on dreamrift ?

[untold peak]

!talents

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by Whispyr
• Method - by Whispyr
• Icy Veins - by Seliathan

[lime edge]

[proper rain]

is that spec distribution`?

[lime edge]

Yea

Popularity at max level

[proper rain]

it feels incorrect?

i thought brew was like 80% of all tanks

[lime edge]

Its just max level not necessarily high end play

[high dust]

that's for sure on M+

[lime edge]

When i do random 10s I see other tanks all the time

Well I basically never see a vdh

Ive seen like 3

[high dust]

I think...yea, I havent seen even one

tho...tbf, I usually group with a friend that's maining brew this season

and dhs are...devourer.devourer.devourer.devourer.

[humble verge]

source?

[lime edge]

https://www.dataforazeroth.com/stats/specs/maxlevel

[noble nova]

Guys i need help a bit in understanding the energy pooling of assassination rogue

in AOE im not facing issues. but in ST

what am I missing

[sacred oyster]

utilize the apex

drop envenom at 80

[noble nova]

so at 80 stop DPS or refresh garrote and Rupture till it drops

thats all?

[sacred oyster]

you're not going to ever be spam 100% of every GCD in ST

yes

[noble nova]

if i understood that right

aha alr

[sacred oyster]

it a lot of times lines up well for when you need to refresh anyways

but it can eventualy desync or if you had lust etc it also prob desynced

[proper rain]

arms warrior pov

[noble nova]

Thank you very much

[untold peak]

how do you guys track impacable? I find the CDM tracker confusing.. once I get the energy buff, if I envenom again, I cannot see it being tracked at all.

If I wait for the energy regen buff to fall off before applying envenom again, then it works.

[sacred oyster]

i look at buffs which i have a copy of my buffs smaller scale and filtered near my unit frame

[gilded oasis]

I just take shields to the face and eat hammers while looking for it in the massive unfiltered blizzard buff bars

what are you using for filtering

[sacred oyster]

elvui, its very limited though lol, it cuts out like maybe 4 of the perma ones?

sadly cant get it really reduced due to blizz

[gilded oasis]

glad they broke filtering buffs but hey we have discount WAs back

[runic hinge]

Wish I had discount MSBT

[gilded oasis]

sameeee

just take us back blizzard your experiment failed

pull the ripcord

[runic hinge]

real

[gilded oasis]

im grumpy this week

and its blizzards fault

[fallow canopy]

!implac

[prisma monolith]

Implacable is bugged in Blizzard's Cooldown Manager, there is no way to "fix" it.

Until blizzard fixes it, you just have to either count your envenoms or glance at your buff bar if you're trying to be optimal. Ignoring it when it bugs is <1% loss.

[untold peak]

thanks (y)

[nova aspen]

no shot havoc is more popular than devourer

ive yet to see one this expansion

but a billion devourers

[random gazelle]

Is inevitable demise bugged? Mine doesn't seem to ever actually kill anything. It'll hit and get them low

[runic hinge]

Open world or delves?

Can be wonky scaling depending

[gilded oasis]

just like me

[random gazelle]

Anything so far? pvp, delves, open world

[runic hinge]

PvP has a smaller % they die from it’s got different scaling from pve. Open world depending on zone and level it gets weird and delves I noticed also scale weird with it. It’s just a jank talent

[lime edge]

I dont see many of either

So who knows

[lyric grail]

With addon for fix

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/nooka-implacable

[brave gyro]

136 downloads, that's a deep cut

[hazy sundial]

So for the new “turbo boost” system, there is something that has to be done weekly. Do we need to do something starting this week?

[lyric grail]

Y it’s not spreaded wide

[nova aspen]

it is, that is all 136 assassination rogues

[lyric grail]

Good one

[nova aspen]

[lime edge]

Its not a joke

Why is sub getting a 15% buff

We got like 2%

[ruby birch]

can you link me this 15% buff please

[lime edge]

Wait not sub

Outlaw

Oops

#outlaw message

[remote wraith]

i aint even getting invites for +3 keys as sin 🙁 feelsbad for 255 ilvl

[viscid spear]

Random stats image

I don't think I have ever seen my Crit this high baseline

[radiant aspen]

let me cirt mog u

[gilded oasis]

is this gonna steal all my gold??

[radiant aspen]

https://giphy.com/gifs/mewing-mogged-looksmax-gOOIIIfzCihqJC544a

[subtle crown]

On ST, what is a normal % damage for melee/auto attacks? It was usually second or third highest damage for me for me competing with Garrote. Didn’t know if that was normal or if I’m doing something really wrong

[crisp pine]

gotta pump those avoidance numbers up fellas

Im straight up avoiding twice as much as you

[viscid spear]

I always have bad luck with Avoid/Vers/Leech

[gilded oasis]

don't take it personal. Theres like 50 billion invites to every key. most people take high ilvl or rating. even at +2

[crisp pine]

I avoided playing wow completly today

[radiant aspen]

100% avoidance

[crisp pine]

gotta stack avoidance so you can avoid this garbage spec smh

[worn geyser]

it does kinda help on a couple things i have found, like after the first pack in windrunner where there is one caster u chain all the way down the bridge, if u have crippling on that mf takes 20 years to group up and u have to keep running out to kick it

super cringe

idk i find it more useful than not to just never run it since it helps the mobs group up faster for more dps/aoe and less situations a caster is just in narnia

[gilded oasis]

just dont hit the first pack. If I know my tank is pulling to a 2nd pack I go to the 2nd pack and open there or just hit it and it waddles in slowly. or I watch the frost mage frostbolt it and it walks slow anyway

[worn geyser]

i mean or u could just drop crippling which is useless anyway and tricks tank and open

[lime edge]

I have 8% speed from items

[rugged warren]

you have to build the voidforge

[runic hinge]

Did we figure out if it’s a lethal dose stack still

[worn geyser]

that would be mega cringe if its a lethal dose stack

[analog field]

we are losing lethal dose

[worn geyser]

how does it count as a lethal dose sincei ts not a lethal poison

[storm forum]

Cause nothing about this spec is ever consistent

[worn geyser]

if it does count then ig ill use it but that is horrible, the grouping of the mobs is significantly slower with crippling on its trash

[warm vortex]

Seeing fire

that far down

is so sadge

[lime edge]

Im pretty sure the slower grouping of mobs is a bigger dps loss than 1 stack of lethal dose is a gain

[analog field]

you forget that every spec has slow

like if you play with frost mage

your crippling does`nt matter

[worn geyser]

I didnt forget that, and I typically run only phys comp for high keys, it makes a significant impact in mob grouping to the point where im prolly gonna not use it still since its a higher damage loss for sure (from searching discord message, about a month ago it was said its about a 1% loss without crip)

thank u for clarification tho on it affecting lethal dose

[lime edge]

I mean other specs aren't attacking right away

They don't have tricks

I pop tricks and do my opener on the first mob the tank pulls

By the time puzzle is popped all the mobs are grouped usually

[gilded oasis]

idk, I operate under the assumption is does cause thats the last info I heard

(I am old though so who knows)

[runic hinge]

Yes definitely old

[hazy sundial]

Do i have to start that this week

[low igloo]

what is causing this

[spice spire]

Draught

(Your potion)

[worn geyser]

u can do the weekly quest to catch up, the void thing should say 5/5 this week then next week it will be 6/6 after the quest

[high dust]

POG

[rugged warren]

its catch up, you need to do 18 boutniful delves/dungeons/raid boss kills

can do 15 thtis week

[sick sail]

hey guys, been playing sub since midnight came out, looking to slowly transition to assa. I feel like it’s the way to go for higher than 12 keys, I enjoy both. Feel like I get more annoyed with my damage as sub but I think it’s just me, i’d like to do more passive sustain dmg. Is murlok a good reference for looking at what people run for keys and gear?

[rugged warren]

or only need 15 not sure

[lyric grail]

yes cause its approved by curseforge

then its not scripted

all in my pocket

[hazy sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-shocked-monkey-disappointed-disappointed-monkey-gif-25631537

[rugged warren]

its account wide tho

[hazy sundial]

I don’t have alts

Alts are for suckers

[coral ibex]

do the raid bosses have to be looted fights

like do i need to loot something from the kills or does it just count kills

[sacred oyster]

stop using poor mans lights potential and just use lights potential

[acoustic birch]

sir i have 350 gold to my name

[sacred oyster]

go find a corner to work then

but 350 can buy about 10 lights potential

[rugged warren]

yeah it drops a quest item

not sure if itll get mailed havent tested

[coral ibex]

fugma

guess im doing hella keys this week

[rugged warren]

can do bountiful delves

each one gives 1 item

so thats 4 les keys

per char u do delves on

[coral ibex]

idk how many bountiful keys i have

prob not many, im a raidlogging chud

[rugged warren]

oh yeah its in the bountiful coffer

so u need a key

[sacred oyster]

they should make bonus rolls let you get myth gear from delves too, then there would be some damn value in delves for high tier players as some of those delve things werent too bad.

[runic hinge]

they should not let you get the best gear in the game from solo content

[sacred oyster]

wish theyd just scrap the entire tier system and make it just continous upgrades on w/e gear you have that cost more each tier and higher tier content simply gives you more crests to make it balance out the same

[worn geyser]

w while were at it bring back titanforging fuck it

[torn bear]

Hey does anyone know if I'm using wound with DTB for the anti healing in say seat for the void leech what would we use as the second deadly or amp?

[sacred oyster]

why does it matter to you? solo players progress way slower, them getting the best gear 2 months after you doesnt impact your play.

[coral ibex]

no you dont use wound, its very bad

you can just cc the add and it stops the leech

[torn bear]

You can CC the subjugator?

[sacred oyster]

pretty sure nothing i did worked on that thing o.o? maybe mage can sheep it

[coral ibex]

oh in seat, you can just chain those guys, they dont really do anything except heal. i was thinking about the leech guys in npx, you can use any cc to stop that

[sacred oyster]

hes meaning the chain guys that do massive group dmg

but anyone who has a get out of snare ability can break that chain to reduce dmg

[torn bear]

Yeah or the regen from the trolls in MC thats just natural thats lesss of an issue as its only 2% every 5 secs

[runic hinge]

why do they need it when you can do level 11 delves in blues before m0 even comes out, giving them hero gear is fine when they dont even do hard content. And tbh its an mmo, grouping SHOULD be part of the gameplay and if you dont wanna group at all, you obviously dont need the highest level of gear, they will be fine being 13 ilvls behind i promise it will not be the difference between them doing an 11 delve or not.

[sacred oyster]

ie vanish or cloak for us

[coral ibex]

idk i guess i havent noticed much in the 16s and 17s ive been doing, maybe it gets a lot worse in higher keys

[torn bear]

Yeah I'm working into 16 17 now in sub it easy just to put on wound for the beginning as it not mcuh difference was wondering cause I'm building a sin set to push as well

thanks for the info though

[sacred oyster]

well shit

    Addressed an issue where Merciless Subjugator's Chains of Subjugation can be interrupted unintentionally```

hope that doesnt mean vanish/cloak no longer removes it.

[haughty flicker]

those will still be fine

there was a way for tanks to move that just stopped the cast

which is what i assume was fixed

[noble nova]

Why Canny or Why Internal bleed if I may ask

for mythic dungeons

[spice surge]

Internal bleeding is always better

[noble nova]

Thank you, cause I took some talents from people in RIO and some of them had canny. made me curious

[indigo meadow]

do we still care about pooling for impacable in aoe?

[noble nova]

in AOE not at all u can ignore it

i suffer with it in single target

ngl

whats the opener for AOE? 2ble Garrote > rupture > DM KB and then spread? or do u spread first then open CDS

[sacred oyster]

garrote > fok/mut > rupture > garrote, delaying 2nd one until after rupture is still within 6s but then gets the timers mostly in sync if done right.

and for higher keys, spread at least some then DM, as itll maximize the full CD window at the full 20% Agility buff.

lower keys can be some risk it dies too fast if you wait, so do as you want there

[humble rose]

Hello team, do we have a quick section on which poisons to use based on dungeon? For example we should use wound poison in MC

[spice surge]

Never use wound poison as assa

[random pelican]

I knew Poison Bomb was bugged on meters but it's also bugged in logs?

[balmy condor]

No

[random pelican]

Am I blind?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4ftwHRjZWM279pva?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=4

NVM

It's under envenom, that's cray

[hardy rapids]

what do you guys think was the most fun tier set for assa rogue?

[coral ibex]

icc

tricks gave energy and a damage buff

[hardy rapids]

ooooh

it was really basic and not super interesting but I liked the DF s3 one, gave you attack speed, and envenom made a little aoe splash or more ST dmg

[onyx veldt]

are they adding a new difficulty to prey? bc theres no point of doing nightmare if youre full heroic no

[balmy condor]

It’s not meant for people that are full heroic to be fair

It’s like delves

[onyx veldt]

i see

[lime edge]

Bfa, does that count

Was there even sets in bfa

[hardy rapids]

I dont even remember bfa assa if im being completely honest

I barely played it and when I came back to the game It was like one of 2 seasons where I didnt play rogue

[digital elk]

I personally actually enjoy the idea of what prey could be

I know it'll never be "hard" but if it were a toggle like war mode and the ambush/duel thing happened more organically I'd enjoy that for making open world stuff feel more interesting

[runic hinge]

SL s3

[hardy rapids]

thats the shiv and vendetta one right?

[runic hinge]

yes

vendetta exsang and aoe shiv

[hardy rapids]

yeaaah that one was really cool

[elder agate]

this trinket is good for somethign?

[split cipher]

Occupying 1 bag slot, yes

[frosty cedar]

51g

[split cipher]

It's an okay placeholder trinket for sub but overall not great for our class

[brave gyro]

any tippers for big assa log for chim mythic? should i sit first soak?

[frosty cedar]

yes

[strange onyx]

Backshotbot is a tech merchant

[frosty cedar]

I missed retaking r1 on chim last night by like 40dps

[spice surge]

Big tech bot

[frosty cedar]

then I realised I forgor second potion

[strange onyx]

Nvm he is washed

[frosty cedar]

im basically washed

[brave gyro]

so what's the tech, im pugging

[strange onyx]

That’s why he is below me on all star points

[frosty cedar]

make sure to use cooldowns on pull, go first soak if you can, vanish near enough to the soak that you can refresh garrote the boss during DM and still garrote the big add twice, dot up and spread the imp gar to all the lil guys

if you use cooldowns on pull you can use it again before intermission

from there just send it boss ngl

[primal parrot]

backshot the boss

[frosty cedar]

give him major backshots

to get back to boss quick after adds done, shadowstep to a friendly ranged player then onto boss with the double shadowstep bullshit from fatebound

[brave gyro]

[frosty cedar]

I dont really bother going after the little adds when im topside

I just slam boss

the way of the backshot

[brave gyro]

we'll see if this group even kicks

[strange onyx]

You pugging ?

[brave gyro]

i've always pugged every week's kill

[frosty cedar]

rogue is giga op for intermission cause you can just kidney the fella and he will die in kidney but you will lose a finisher

[elder agate]

btw a good question, if i already dropped the item from a mythic boss, if i roll , i can get him again:?

[strange onyx]

If you pug, play for kill

[frosty cedar]

if you roll?

[strange onyx]

Your vault is not based on parse

[strange onyx]

Next week

[elder agate]

ye on enext week

[frosty cedar]

if you cant parse in a pug, we live in a degenerate society

send it

[brave gyro]

None matters, when i do 6 kicks and ranged in my group does 0/1

[frosty cedar]

oh yeah that void thing. I had better start the dailies omegalul

I completely forgor

[strange onyx]

I dunno, join a guild u social anxiety bozo

[frosty cedar]

real

[brave gyro]

for me its more that i can't comit to a schedule, no matter what day, sometimes im not available

especially now with getting slammed at work

[strange onyx]

There is a guild for that

[brave gyro]

i've pugged this whole expansion, curves 1st week, 3/9M (which i think is the limit for pugging, can't keep a group together long enough for Saladbar)

[strange onyx]

I wouldn’t know. I know some people who do 4/9 multiple times a week. Saladbar seems very puggable with decent tanks

I’d be suprised if dragons is puggable, unless you run a tremor + defensive strat for breaths after the void forge

[brave gyro]

problem is not the boss, its that even if one person leaves, its gg

cuz people dont' wanna join started lockout

[rancid root]

This look like I am simming correctly?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xvVicZEi4xJGsZrfZcbyni

Anything wrong with my Sim?

Trying to see if it's worth to swap to Sin for Raid + Keys

How I am currently Simming Sub is simmin 7k dps higher in Single target and 8k dps higher in dungeon slice.

[brave gyro]

outlaw is simming highest for me with champ weap, doesn't mean its the best for me

if u get a bit more crit, your number will go brr

or i guess mastery, looking at your stuff

[balmy condor]

you can't really compare specs with sims, that's not what they're made for

[bitter brook]

guys why do we slam haste when mastery seems like the more versatile stat for keys

[strange onyx]

Puzzle box gives mastery

[bitter brook]

oh ok it gets DR'd

makes sense

[strange onyx]

Well done acolyte

[bitter brook]

the wrinkles are forming

[rancid root]

Is there a better way to sim differences in specs and which would be better?

Or we just gonna have to feels craft it?

[strange onyx]

What do you want?

[balmy condor]

no, sims are literally just not designed to compare specs

eatting soup with a fork

[haughty flicker]

jork

[rancid root]

Is there any stat breakpoints to be aware of for Sin? Outlaw wants to cap Haste at 23% Sub wants 18%

[balmy condor]

jorkin it

[balmy condor]

nop

[strange onyx]

Come on

Give me a chance to atleast play with them Whispyr

[balmy condor]

I'd rather die

[strange onyx]

Love you too ❤️

[rancid root]

Lmfao.....I appreciate it.

[viscid spear]

[rancid root]

I am bad at retail.

[strange onyx]

I ain't

You need help?

[viscid spear]

The customer is always right

[balmy condor]

well that's not true, I wouldn't rather die

[rancid root]

I mean I am currently playing Sub in all content.

[balmy condor]

but I can always just mute skoop again

[strange onyx]

Just send sub on all, but dragon and pala

[rancid root]

But it seems Sin is better the higher in keys you climb

[balmy condor]

having any amount of prio damage is good in higher keys

[strange onyx]

Play sin in 10 - 12 until you can do Implacable without thinking

[rancid root]

But its worse in raid except on the hard cleave fights

[balmy condor]

of which sub does nothing

[strange onyx]

Thats heckin' rude

[brave gyro]

Zul

[strange onyx]

ok gramps

[frosty cedar]

just send sin on all

dont listen to this guy

[strange onyx]

He wanted to play sub, let him

he doesnt have the brain for sin

[rancid root]

Right I am wanting to push over 3400 in keys this season (my first real season playing hard core.) But I am not recrafting everything back and forth between raid and keys

[strange onyx]

he is bad at retail he said

[frosty cedar]

cant believe id ever hear someone wanting to play sub

[strange onyx]

Unironically sin is one of the harder retail specs atm

[rancid root]

Sin seems simple at least.

Doesnt seem harder than it was in TWW S1

[strange onyx]

It's like Devourer

Simply at entry level

but high skill ceiling

[rancid root]

I am playing Dev as an alt XD

[glass viper]

Sub is for submissive players

[strange onyx]

Sub is for eat

Sin is for life

[dire flume]

whats outlaw for

[sacred oyster]

i thought sub wanted minimum 18%, you used the word cap incorrectly there.

[strange onyx]

fun in weeklies

[balmy condor]

yeah the sub prio that got removed immediately after zul, which was...

squints

8 years ago

[dire flume]

[rancid root]

Sub wants like 700 haste and then put everything else into other stats

[strange onyx]

I was there unc

[onyx veldt]

is Silvermoon Agent's Utility Belt worth crafting? i have dagger and wrist crafted