assassination

[warm vortex]

Oh hey you have the dagger i stole off our guilds rogue

:o

[empty cloud]

And have poor dmg to xD

F

[wraith knot]

Shit this guy has hungering victory

Sexy mf

[strange onyx]

And he sent crests 👋🏻

[warm vortex]

Wanna see smthj that will hurt your soul

[wraith knot]

Yes

Damage me

[frosty cedar]

no the trinket is good

[warm vortex]

Certified dagger stealer

[stuck lodge]

I also have hungering victory but it Sims like shit so I'm not using it

It's vers mastery?

[wraith knot]

https://giphy.com/gifs/angry-taken-liam-neeson-R3FUSQ5H5jzVe

[wraith knot]

And you got the set rings too

You monster

[bleak sedge]

Is it legit s tier until hero track?

[summer briar]

someone that can look true a HC log on a boss and tell me what on earth i can improve on , was a really good fight but dmg looks low as fck , gear is not min maxed for assasin, wanted to test it, but still ....

254

[golden loom]

send da log big man

[bleak sedge]

which boss though? I get assblasted in nhc by ranges in last 3 fights lmao

even chimera nhc i did 99log and the frostmage blasted me

[summer briar]

vora

[summer briar]

sent

[errant briar]

is it a thing to only kill the single boss on hc to force the trinket drop in vault?

[balmy condor]

yeah that's pretty bad

[frosty cedar]

it seems to be if you get the upgrades for it

[strange onyx]

Thought it might make you feel better, I got you buddy!

[stuck lodge]

Pretty sure it doesn't work like that

[timber abyss]

guys am i doing something wrong or this buff tracker is bugged?
When the stack of implacable is consumed, i see the timer of the energy buff boost and after the buff is ended, the whole track of the stacks disapear :/

[oak tangle]

blizzard decided that today of all days was the time to basically add in a whole set of secret values, and most ui's will be bricked while we wait for addon devs to be able to fix things

and seemingly, that includes their own ui

[wraith knot]

What

[oak tangle]

the good old lua errors from purely blizz code

[wraith knot]

You're serious aren't you pahahah what the hell

[frosty cedar]

yes its broken. also where is my goat why is he in dornhub

[timber abyss]

turning some olds quests

[wraith knot]

Tell us your secrets man what you cookin

[severe meadow]

Idk, mirage has been fun tho so far

Haven’t grinded like I usually would

[autumn idol]

it has

i clicked some boxes

made my own build

didnt drop a mirror though

[oak tangle]

poe talk in assass channel

im here for it

i'm 6.1k over both

[charred nest]

is assass the best noww w the 4%?

[cedar niche]

It feels pretty good in M+ I will say

[balmy condor]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1484624630764273745/drops.png

[wraith knot]

https://giphy.com/gifs/WZj3l2HIRubde

[stuck lodge]

easy hands right? I have no tier

[exotic hearth]

Should I take tier legs if they're hero track even thought they're off piece over champ track shoulders? Sim says there's only a like 20 dps difference if I catalyze hero gloves to make 2 set

[analog field]

with 2 rogues on alleria 1 should go numbing right ?

[storm forum]

Yeah I don't think the group ever splits so you can get both poisons

[stray fox]

I think correct is to wait until end of week and see what drops you get if you’ve got options

[wraith knot]

Yo this is W advice no

[strange onyx]

go pants

[scenic horizon]

Feeling like im missing something but just incase does puzzle box not work like other trinkets in macros because of the cast time?

[coral ibex]

correct

[runic hinge]

god this spec is so fun in keys tbh

[stuck lodge]

That would have been correct

alas

[charred nest]

is assas feeling the best rn?

[stray fox]

I feel you brother I’m high time preference as well

[vivid nexus]

hey, do I use the puzzle box trink before the pull?

[analog field]

use it before dm

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-cat-gif-1175703927588788964

me casting three CTs in a row in the middle of a large pack

[vivid nexus]

because my bleed dont get the buff then and its like 2900 tick instead of 1900 tick for improved garrot

[balmy condor]

@vestal wren it seems like the m+ crests got changed, it's 18 hero for a +8, and then myth starting from +9

[runic hinge]

I mean I think it’s fun as hell even if the mobs die with 9 seconds of kb left

[hexed frost]

Nah. Sub feels banger in keys. Powder spam into apex after a sectech is disgustingly strong .

[vestal wren]

🫡 give me a few minutes

[magic thorn]

Lmao Wowhead asked the class writers. What did you tell them @balmy condor 4% aura is 4%

[balmy condor]

unironically, yes

[royal lantern]

but is 4% really 4%?

what if im using dmg trinkets that are not affected by it? is it still 4% then??

[coral ibex]

no

[vestal wren]

its slightly lower technically, because you have certain static things

but its very close to the %

[royal lantern]

i knew it

whispyer of missinformation strikes again

[vestal wren]

like the neck

or trinkets with flat damage

they won't increase with aura buffs

[runic hinge]

Meh I’m not saying Assa is the most complex thing but sub 2 button spam isn’t my favorite rotation

[vestal wren]

i don't know how to fix that

because the "fix" would be to add a dot back

but thats a no-go going from the discussions i saw in #subtlety

also spreading bleeds isn't exactly good gameplay

the alterantive would potentially to revert the nimble changes

[hexed frost]

https://tenor.com/view/erm-aksuali-veli-vel-nerd-nerd-emoji-gif-11908435316515627035

Actually it's a single button spec if you plan ahead 3-5 second before entering dance

[vestal wren]

which would re-introduce the single target rotation for certain target counts

[hexed frost]

Nah bro I'm just tired of single target rotation in aoe I just can't take it

[vestal wren]

what breaks up the rotation in aoe is pmuch the apex

trickster is just able to macro it to bp

which is a bit tricky

because you need to be in close melee to proc death from above coup de grace

[random gazelle]

I loved TWW sub and then blizzard turned it into a bozo spec

[vestal wren]

i did like TWW more

but mostly because of the dynamic we had from talents

[coral ibex]

it sucks!

[vestal wren]

midnight changed direction, so many buttons got removed and talents which lead to more dynamic interatcions got reworked or removed

[hexed frost]

You likes auto-attacking for 30 second? And a 45 second SecTech?

[magic thorn]

TWW was great, The only thing i disliked was Shadowdance and Symbols. Was pretty much useles to have 2 spells since you always sequenced them anyways

[zealous moth]

hey i got the same garbage trinket!

[vestal wren]

@balmy condor any chance you have an entire table of the crests?

[zealous moth]

this?

[azure carbon]

Honestly sub would probably have a bunch of neat interactions if it weren't for the premed/SecTec bugs and aa that make sending it on dance always the right play.

[balmy condor]

it's just +2 per level as far as I know

like your scaling is correct

but it starts at +9

[vestal wren]

no, the crest drops changed

[analog field]

there is a table like this in wowhead whisp

showing the +9 myth

[balmy condor]

I'm running keys atm

[vestal wren]

but is it hero all the way up?

[balmy condor]

+9 is 10 myth

[plucky ember]

gimme 12h and ill show something worse

[mint urchin]

Is this right? Only 14 myth from a +12?

Unfortunate

[vestal wren]

so, like this, or did something change for hero/champ/veteran too?

[balmy condor]

I think they changed too

give me a sec

[vestal wren]

someone in #subtlety did link that 2/3 is champ too

so i assume hero starts on 4

with 10

[zealous moth]

we only get champ crests from m0s? thaat would be kinda cringe

specially if m5 still drops champ gear

[vestal wren]

so my assumpion would be
0: 10 champ
2: 12 champ
3: 14 champ

[balmy condor]

that would make sense

[glad ferry]

What do we think

[vestal wren]

would end up in this

(still need confirmation if this is correct)

[real pike]

any reason we track coin flips?

[vestal wren]

nope

[wraith knot]

Yes, you have to drink a shot every third tails

https://giphy.com/gifs/drunk-raccoon-L6JsnQOgrKMTK

[sacred oyster]

this was just dirty.... i already have hero pants, so i wouldnt even use those set pants anyways. it would be throwing away a hero piece just to help achieve 4 pc bonus. i have hero bracers crafted too so not taking those bracers, leaving only the trinket.

[wraith knot]

Oof

[balmy condor]

can confirm the 8/9 split at least, and the 2/5 also was accurate

so I'm gonna say yeah, checks out

[vestal wren]

nice, ill update it with the new version

big thanks

can change it any time if we find out new details

[sacred oyster]

a friend trolled my other friend to thinking he should pick up the rogue coins....

he kept trying to get them thinking it would give a buff

[spiral basalt]

Did I miss a pin on how most of us are running sims for raid? Cleaves sim?

[balmy condor]

patchwerk 1t is still fine, you could in theory run 1t cleave add I guess

hectic add cleave is a bit much

(a lot much)

and has some weird timings

[real pike]

stop it

[vestal wren]

dungeon slice is ironically not bad for a add fight

[balmy condor]

it kinda is for assa

cause you don't get restealths

[vestal wren]

true

[brave stump]

[sweet ledge]

would you suggest taking 2 set (champ peice) or hero crit/mastery dagger from my vault

[balmy condor]

[sweet ledge]

sims say take 2 set

[balmy condor]

champ tier sounds like a waste

[brave stump]

rush fkn set

what

[sweet ledge]

thats what i was thinking. but i could 4 set quicker taking it ?

[analog field]

yeah also then you get the catalyst charges seems kinda better than hero dagger no ?

[hoary scroll]

hey, is it a bug that the implacable apex talent isnt trackable in a specific situation?

[wraith knot]

Yeah it just keeps breaking

It also fixes itself once you lose both buffs

[hoary scroll]

so i need to waste some energy to loose the buffs? 😄

[wraith knot]

Or count to 5 or look at top right of your screen at your buffs

I can't do either

[hoary scroll]

HAHAHAH blizzard wants to troll assa players i think

[balmy condor]

it's more annoying than actually impactful

[near aspen]

so ct til all bleeds spread then fok or still ct?

in m+

[wraith knot]

ct till bleeds on all targets then fok, envenom and rupture at 5+

[near aspen]

sick ty

[wraith knot]

Bro I messed up I meant fok after bleeds spread

Lmao.

[near aspen]

oh kk lol ty

[wraith knot]

My brain is melted

[jolly stirrup]

!up

[near aspen]

also what command for gear spreadsheet?

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486090402275786873/drops.png

[near aspen]

perfect

[wraith knot]

That bot is next level ngl

[sacred oyster]

delve 8's doesnt give hero crest unless that changed today

[wraith knot]

Wasn't it 9

I thought it was 9

I could be wrong

[analog field]

this is different up until now

[sacred oyster]

yeah just noticing that graphic says 8

[analog field]

probably tomorrow it will change

[normal mist]

It's updated then?

[coral ibex]

i love blizzard ui

[wraith knot]

[coral ibex]

garbage game tbh

multi dollar company

[random gazelle]

I tried to do a key and the second it started blizzard deleted all spells from my bars

Every time I reloaded it switched to a different bug

[wraith knot]

Man what's going on, seems like it's one thing after another lately

Abundance, loot bugged, now uis lmao

[random gazelle]

Can these dipshits stop messing with the api for 5 mins?

[sacred oyster]

they need to just accept defeat that they suck at devving their own game and just let addons be free

[royal lantern]

that happens when you decide to make like 3000 different big changes at once with a expansion launch

like, nobody asked blizzard to do a bigger revamp on every single spec in the game AND do a gigantic API change AND do a UI revamp AND do a stat squish at the same time

but they did

[wraith knot]

And I checked the wow forums and like people don't even bother talking about issues anymore cause they prolly feel unheard

[royal lantern]

everyone told them its bad, and they did it anyway, and now shit is fucked

[wraith knot]

I made a big post about the knowledge point system and alchemy, I had like 7 views in that many hours

Just feels weird

I remember a GM coming to me personally in game to unstuck my character cause I got stuck in a hole (I shit you not, this was vanilla)

(With hearthstone on cooldown I had just used it)

[royal lantern]

i mean, thats also a waste of GM time, cus the unstuck command exists

and the state of the game has nothing to do with GMs anyway

[wraith knot]

I am not sure it existed back then

It probably didn't

I'm not saying it wasn't a waste of their time, but I'm referring to the change in customer service

[oak tangle]

the latest round of issues, is because they didn't give addon devs a test branch of the game to develop on, so ui addons can be bricked by the variables they made secret today

[warm vortex]

Is it just me or does this final boss suck

[oak tangle]

just waitin on devs to have time to test / update things

[sacred oyster]

they are talking about a point in time 15+ years ago.

[wise plover]

What point do we drop if we want imp garrote?

[acoustic roost]

doomblade or imp poisons

[little condor]

Hey NA are er viable yet?

We

[coral ibex]

we were viable last week

[desert vault]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wraith knot]

Hey I ended up not testing this today, I'll try and remember to do it when I got time but tomorrow m+ is out for us here in EU so idk when that will be

[shut sand]

yo

[warm vortex]

Btw

does anyone else feel like the visuals for the arrows on the last boss are difficult to see

Everyone in my raid is saying it's ahrder to see
I don't find it too bad but it feels like it's a common thing

[analog field]

they could be better for sure especially the dark ones

the lighter ones are kinda okayish

[shadow lark]

How bad is this?

[astral current]

cracked keystone bugged again, any way to fix this bullshit and get my crests?

[warm vortex]

It's mainly the lighter ones people are talking about

[analog field]

My issue is these shitty purple-black pools

I really am very exhausted

on araz I was really having issues

[real pike]

on alleria heroic p2 are people bothering to keep bleeds up on both

or just hit the one in the group?

[sacred oyster]

why is your question 'how bad' instead of how good?

the answer is sim, but its most likely better than what you have unless you got other hero trinkets. but that is the one i use as its top dps for me

agility is our primary stat you know lol, so 278 agi is pretty nice.

you should have the simulationcraft addon installed, when you get a new piece of gear, /simc, paste into top gear, upgrade the item to match your current trinkets item levels, select it, and sim it to find impact.

[viscid spear]

[shadow lark]

because i haven't seen it on lists yet and blood mallet doesn't have an assassination profile, so i assumed its not worth it.

I did sim it

with my current gear

[tawny geyser]

Using the same, it simmed highest of all the other 6 trinkets that I have. Together with Puzzlebox of course.

[real pike]

anyone?

[sacred oyster]

i believe the 'tier list' just only included stuff from the higher tier upgrade track sources, but it seems like it prob should be on the tier list.

but haste is nice, but it is largely a first glance comparison of 100 haste vs a trinket with agility, but the proc on this trinket makes up for it.

[shadow lark]

fuck it, i'm gonna take it

[analog field]

I'd say stick to the one close to you

Seems hard to keep both up

[latent kernel]

Probably not worth unless you can CT which you probs won’t do by the nature of the fight

[real pike]

thanks chaps, yeah don't think CT works except maybe on the tank swap

or a double step as I have the hero talent

but steps are nice to keep in the bank on this fight

I fucked my deathmark one pull and got my highest dps

[near aspen]

where is zerocool?

did he quit?

[severe meadow]

When we tank swap, I can sometimes slide in a CT and spread between both

Otherwise I’m just focusing on shield

And on alleria

When no shield

[real pike]

yeah this sometimes works

depends how long is up on my bleeds too

feels like such an awkward fight for sin

CDs up but unusable for extended periods

fast dying adds

[severe meadow]

P2 I was getting destroyed on damage but

Reviewing logs and I was like.. 4th for clone damage and top damage on alleria

So you know

This was alleria / clone damage at the end of the night

[warm vortex]

Oof

no AoTC tonight :(

Basically stuck on P2
Had one P3 pull and it was close

[severe meadow]

Lock in

Is there even an AOTC for alleria?

Or the actual last boss

[azure carbon]

There's AotC for every raid.

[royal lantern]

all raids have AotC

[severe meadow]

[warm vortex]

Did u get it

[severe meadow]

No

Kinda close

30ish % with a bunch dead

Clean p2 and we’d probably kill

[limber wind]

Hello everyone. Please help me understand energy management. How do you track and what do you focus on? Analyzing the logs, I see that players are trying to keep their energy level around 50-100. Do I understand correctly that it is necessary to delay casts from time to time to maintain energy (even at maximum combo points)? Or how does it work?

[normal mist]

we're not a spammy class / spec

sometimes you can chill and grab some cookies while waiting on energy

[brittle comet]

hi i was wondering what assassinations apm roughly? from what i have tested on my lvl 80 trial character they seem slower than even arms?

[real pike]

we're very close

I haven't checked logs yet

but my best pull of the night I didn't press Deathmark until after Kingsbane had finished

so idk what the fuck is going on

[royal lantern]

iirc in the 55-ish range

[spice surge]

You get slightly more from higher level talents, but around 55ish

[brittle comet]

oh ok i thought it was lower is it due to more haste?

[real pike]

it's fluctuated

[royal lantern]

haste doesnt really affect that

[real pike]

was 48 until the changes then 53

I think it's around 53ish still

[royal lantern]

....what changes...?

[normal mist]

tbf its way higher than 53

[sacred oyster]

im confused by the statement, why would you associate more haste with less apm

[normal mist]

we press mutilate 54 times between casts

[real pike]

testing my memory

was it DF

or TWW

[royal lantern]

i mean its just

assa is slower

[real pike]

our apm went up by around 6

[waxen oyster]

why does the exact number matter

its a turtle spec

[royal lantern]

when you play blindside and execute happens, it speeds up

thats it

[waxen oyster]

no matter which way you cut it

[normal mist]

dad spec

[royal lantern]

its 2026

[waxen oyster]

that's ret paladin

[royal lantern]

every spec is a spec for 38 year old dads with 27 kids that can only play for 3 seconds a month

[normal mist]

i'm still an assa player :C

[waxen oyster]

i thought you were a transmog player

[normal mist]

fuck thats right

I'm still a heroic raider tho

i place well every season

[bleak sedge]

At Saladking do you guys even swap to orbs? i only do crimson tempest if they are in range and thats it

[viscid spear]

[wraith knot]

I dodge them and ignore my raidleader when he yells at me, I'm not dying because he perceives these silly AoEs with health as a threat, I'm trying to dps over here man

[bleak sedge]

lmao

u even bring tempest then? 😛

[royal lantern]

based and maincharacter pilled

[wraith knot]

I'm not arms warrior

Nor ele shaman

No storms here baby

[bleak sedge]

Huge balls

[normal mist]

he dodges them

[wraith knot]

Miss me with that shit

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/dodge-the-matrix-swerve-lunge-dive-gif-22197111

[errant swallow]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[bleak sedge]

he adds 2 more huge balls to the fight

[wraith knot]

They told me I'm B-tier and I took that personally

(Dear lord I am so just kidding I hope you know I'm complete dog and trying to do my rotation right on dummies)

[strange onyx]

Still?

[wraith knot]

43.7/46 dummy/sim 5min

I'm getting there

Advice you guys gave helped a lot

But I got bad habits and a worse brain

[strange onyx]

Remember to build combo points before spending them

[wraith knot]

Where's the vendor

[strange onyx]

Silvermoon

[wraith knot]

I'll ask a guard

walks up to a blood elf paladin hi do u know where i can spend my combopoints

[rough haven]

spec still sucks

[strange onyx]

Much like you

[rough haven]

nice

[past bobcat]

idk

my sin profile is simming the same as sub now

sin might be better now

and thats with a bad sin trinket

[bleak sedge]

Macro section in wowhead guide is still listing /use Tempered Potion
@balmy condor not sure if its ok to ping for stuff like that sorry if not 😅

[boreal lichen]

how much dps you guys doing at endboss hc crown in p3 ? i feel i am always bottom with around 70k

[balmy condor]

yeah that's totally fine, thanks

I'll get it fixed later

[severe meadow]

Who made pookie upset today..

[shut sand]

Mythic puzzel box dropped on my first mythic 0

Didnt go to me

Actuallt scratch that

I didnt get any drops

Will m+ drop a stronger version or is it still mythic?

[normal mist]

Depends

[bleak sedge]

Dayum the Oozing vestiege still sims worse than crucible even when upgraded to 263. Totally rolled that away from someone that actually needed it. Rip

[normal mist]

On key level

[severe meadow]

You clearing heroic this tier?

[normal mist]

Who knows

My rogue is still level 80

[warm vortex]

Royal

what would it get

[severe meadow]

Fair

[warm vortex]

for you to come back

[severe meadow]

Honestly

[warm vortex]

to wow

My guy

[severe meadow]

The raid kinda fucks

[warm vortex]

Or is it just being busy with a child

[severe meadow]

Alleria is really fun

[warm vortex]

So far i like all the boses minus crown

Grown on me ab it but

eh

[severe meadow]

Paladins does NOT fuck

[warm vortex]

They do

wym

[severe meadow]

no

Worst fight

[warm vortex]

Ye

[bleak sedge]

Hold up

[warm vortex]

Yea Jay is kinda

a bit wron

gngl

Tbh it's groweing on me though

it just feels like the fight was kidna made with weakaruas in mind

Which is funny because in the last fucking tier they had it perfect

[normal mist]

Daughter to grow up a bit more

[severe meadow]

I’m finna get extra votes..

[warm vortex]

Dimmy was fine without weak auras

[severe meadow]

@coral ibex paladins or alleria

[warm vortex]

And guess what his mechanics targetted roles instead of random people

Jayson

That is an incredibly biased point of view

[severe meadow]

Rat..

[warm vortex]

"lemmie get my homies that share my opinions"
Actually hooligan behavior

[severe meadow]

Yeah well

You’re this close to getting kissed buddy

[warm vortex]

Good

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/mutsuki-bluearchive-gif-27128372

[warm vortex]

Btw

jay jay

mOG THOUGHts

Caps oop

[severe meadow]

Type shit

[warm vortex]

I've got an image that would fit that emoki but it would get me uber banned

sad daus

[severe meadow]

[warm vortex]

[severe meadow]

Deviant activity

[sullen bramble]

!craft

!crafting

[royal lantern]

dagger and then wrist or belt

check wowhead for embelishments

and pet your dog

[storm forum]

cloak embelishment gang

[severe meadow]

Pet..?

[spiral basalt]

Sorry for no reply, thanks man!

[warm vortex]

Rort

[severe meadow]

What a crazy angle

[gilded oasis]

wym, looks totally normal to me

[gusty prawn]

so macro for puzzlebox and deathmarl anyone able to get it to work?

#showtooltip deathmark
/use 14
/cast Deathmark

[warm vortex]

I wouldn’t reccomend

Puzzle box has a cast
Time and iirc that makes it a bit fucky

I could be wrong tho

[gusty prawn]

they both on 2 min cd

[warm vortex]

I remember trying to use stone idol on a macro and it broke everything

Yea but trinkets with a cast time don’t work with macros no?

Again I could be wrong but from my experience it just seems like it doesn’t work

[gusty prawn]

my problem is it activates puzzle but not deathmark or the opposite

[warm vortex]

Yea

That’s why you’d want them on separate buttons IIRC

[gilded oasis]

yeah

[strange onyx]

Rat?

[gilded oasis]

no, its a koala

[warm vortex]

Here

[humble verge]

lads are we bugged or not

[strange onyx]

Happy animals, is good

[humble verge]

[warm vortex]

What the fuck have you done to uber

[humble verge]

i am cheating the system

nah unironically

[humble verge]

if i randomly get

[warm vortex]

The real Uber only speaks in thesw

[humble verge]

3/8 myth tomorrow

dont blame me

[strange onyx]

Ilvl goes up if y beat Alleria

[warm vortex]

I’ll blame you all I want big man

[strange wolf]

i am having issues on vealgor and ezzo what do i do to actually do dmg there?

[humble verge]

[warm vortex]

Uber

[warm vortex]

Can you give me a detailed breakdown of your thoughts on the current events unfolding on the world

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/found-footage-festival-vcr-party-live-vcr-party-dancing-gif-27276171

[strange onyx]

Hello, u hit ground dragon

U fok small orbs if u feeling frisky

[strange onyx]

Last phase u CT and spread bleed on both

Thank you for stopping by

[strange wolf]

so ignore small orbs most of the time just hit dragon that i need to hit

[strange onyx]

Yeah

[strange wolf]

bett

[strange onyx]

Unless you feel frisky

[real pike]

What if I'm always feeling frisky

[strange wolf]

seeing this is my second ever raid on this spec. i dont have that priveledge yet

[strange wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/oil-up-gif-12933914687667878981

[warm vortex]

What if I’m frisky feeling always

Wait fug wrong channel

[real pike]

Feeling I'm frisky if always what

[warm vortex]

You heard me

[warped moon]

r u all ahving a nice day and feeling 4% stronger 🙂

[real pike]

And I'm even friskier for it

[real pike]

Was this hotfix or was I just raiding without the 4% buff

(EU)

[warped moon]

it was a ptch i think

[severe meadow]

Holy moly I lost

[humble verge]

you alr got tier shoulders?

[severe meadow]

yup

and hero gloves

[humble verge]

rip

i mean

ring might the best choice here tbf

leafcoil aint bad

[low hare]

id say thats a successful vault

[bitter solar]

no speed stat on it, just delete it

[severe meadow]

Mine has leech

[bitter solar]

passible

[severe meadow]

[bleak star]

have yall sent your 2nd craft yet

[bitter solar]

Bracers if you have dagger

[bleak star]

sick and i assume send the hero crests on them?

[sullen bramble]

how are the raid rewards 266?

[severe meadow]

Heroic

[sullen bramble]

im in eu so haven't had vault yet, but my heroic kills say 263 ?

[severe meadow]

Maybe a bug

[sullen bramble]

maybe, will see in the morning

[spice surge]

Well did you kill any of the 266 bosses?

[sullen bramble]

right so he got 3 boxes from what, last 2 hc or something?

i assume higher ilvl

[spice surge]

if you kill the drakes all of your items turn into 266

[severe meadow]

Or that yeah

[spice surge]

If you kill the crown all of your items turn into 269

[sullen bramble]

oh right

[spice surge]

Or well, all of your vault rewards from that tier

[bitter solar]

Upto you, but i would deffo sim using hero crests or above as we're only using the bracers slot for a 2nd embellishment

[charred nest]

is crafting a ring wrong?

[balmy condor]

ye

[warm vortex]

Whispyr

[balmy condor]

that's me

[warm vortex]

It sure is

How does assassination feel in M+

Saw u streamin but I cba to log into twitch

Was genuinely gonna hop in and say you smell like wet cheese

[balmy condor]

it's fine

[warm vortex]

Enjoyment wise? :0

According to azor SV is far behind in M+ damage compared to the other two specs so imma have to try and sweat tmrrw

[plain thistle]

should we recraft dagger with myth crest today? or wait for second boss kill first? 🤔

[strange onyx]

Craft

[glossy dust]

ur cute @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

ty

[warm verge]

how big is the range of caustic spatter on varasos?

[crude sequoia]

is the rep trinket sim bait? feels like no matter what i get it out sims it.

[warm verge]

holy fuck

i think so it was saying it was better than puzzlebox

it might still be simming 200 crit

vs 122

[charred nest]

nice just got ring outta m+ lol

nd crafted dagger

[coral ibex]

this is so sad, alexa play despacito

[fallow canopy]

[coral ibex]

im not a mole so i cant get myth from delves

no time for another key before raid

got my cata charge tho

[severe meadow]

Nerf inc

[viscid spear]

[stone yacht]

hey all, i'm seeing the advice to puzzle box before deathmark, does that mean that the puzzle box mastery buff doesn't snapshot with our bleeds? do our bleeds just get retroactively buffed when we box?

[balmy condor]

correct

[stone yacht]

Thanks king

[haughty flicker]

np

[stone yacht]

Praise be to the cringe box

[charred nest]

nooooooooooooooooooo

[severe meadow]

Was just a funny burst

[vivid pine]

does anyone here have the link to the google.docs showing tierset increase for specs

[stuck lodge]

wait, I've seen two different graphics for M+ crest rewards

which is correct

[balmy condor]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486090402275786873/drops.png

[balmy condor]

this one

[stuck lodge]

okay so 9 is the minimum to get mythic crests

the other one said 7

also for some reason I thought it was only 40 mythic crests to reforge dagger

[misty holly]

Would drop secondary poisoning for improved garotte be bad?

[lyric marlin]

Bis list has us not going for tier pants, but tier section says dont go for chest piece. pants are mostly vers, makes them quite a bit poopier than chest no?

[viscid spear]

[lyric marlin]

can I sim stuff I cant see? Like, I only got offered pants and im pretty new to simming.

[viscid spear]

Yes, RaidBots can do that

Droptimizer, for example

Top Gear has the option to add in items to compare

[lyric marlin]

Sick ty

[viscid spear]

For example, I searched for 259 ilvl and was able to find the cloak from the first boss in Heroic Void

Then you click on the item there and it adds it below so you can sim it

From there you can click the + and upgrade it

[snow kindle]

do we FOK on 2T

[onyx rock]

Yes

[coral ibex]

3 with blindside

[past bobcat]

what are we pressing tea with now

just whenever lmao

[balmy condor]

you aren't

[storm forum]

let it auto-proc i think

doesnt give mastery anymore

[lucid rune]

I love a tuesday log... Probably the last time I'll see pink parses...

[rare stone]

Top parse for ilvl (out of 1 parse) 😎

[past bobcat]

oh i can just remove from my bar

[rare stone]

Sin feels great in raid though, once we can track our apex it’ll feel much smoother

[low hare]

thes old ass bones stil got it

[viscid spear]

Super annoying

[viscid spear]

(Heroic)

[harsh summit]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/b6CZnD4LHTBhFfyR?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=15&view=timeline
Any chance someone who is good at understanding logs can tell me why I sucked here. I'm new to spec and felt I was doing everthing I read in wowhead guides and the assa-faq here.

please and thanks 🙂

[bitter solar]

your opener is a bit jank and you cast shiv for some reason

[zealous moth]

bro didnt read the patchnotes

[harsh summit]

makes sense, no shiv

but that can't be why i was sooo far down the the dmg ranks

opener is odd because I have to wait for puzzle box cast

[bitter solar]

Make sure your using box correctly also, pain in the ass sometimes, but in the pins Whispyr goes over the usage. (envenom->puzzlebox-deathmark->kingsbane)"

What you did was Box>Kingsbane>Deathmark with no Envenom buff. dropping Shiv should help as you're not wasting energy

[harsh summit]

makes sense

[bitter solar]

are you probably best off playing ST if the adds are getting blasted

[harsh summit]

I was playing that way yep

is it something wrong with my pooling of energy?

[bitter solar]

Then dw about casting FoK unless you're hitting boss+2 adds (which is obviously doable)

[bitter solar]

I've haven't looked that far in, but if you're lusting on pull just full send envenom till end of lust/out of energy and then do normal 5 envenom into letting the buff fall off so you get the apex regen

[harsh summit]

fall off at 80 stacks or fall off right away?

[bitter solar]

let it fall off at 80 stacks is the normal way, but on pull with all the haste. You'll overcap on energy so you don't want to stop casting envenom during lust

Try to make sure you have Envenom rolling into all your Kingsbane as well

[harsh summit]

ok cool, env rolling before i pop kings

[bitter solar]

its very minor, but it's good practice for your opener/ 2minute window

which is a major part of losing all that dps

[harsh summit]

thanks for the tips

switched from healer to dps, crazy to see how much dps is lost from tiny misses

[bitter solar]

Major take away is 1). Don't use shiv, 2) Practice your opener 3) Get envenom rolling before KB/2min CD window.

[storm forum]

assa fun but im bad and keep fucking up

[royal hazel]

myth weapon craft already gang?

how

[viscid spear]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486090402275786873/drops.png

[severe meadow]

Rogue feels pretty solid

[signal karma]

does the crucible renown trinket use the void console buffs in non voidstorm content

[spice surge]

The trinkets benefits from the upgrades in all instanced content yes

[polar bridge]

But you could swap to sub and do way more

[restive falcon]

i got normal gaze and heroic guidon tonight

[severe meadow]

black powder

[restive falcon]

[cyan kestrel]

anyone else flipping a tiny bit more heads than tails

[storm forum]

oh shoot i forgot to open my vault, i could've had a hero gaze all night

[dapper halo]

so, is assa dps now again viable, did the hotfix save our asses

[storm forum]

i dont think we needed saving, but yeah I think we're in a decent spot

actually you know what

nvm

we suck so much we need more buffs

[dapper halo]

im on the edge of quitting if i cant get decent raid dps, i got benched cause i didnt get enough dps out of my furryass rouge

[storm forum]

-# (I just remembered my 99 parse being a lock/mage blue parse)

[dapper halo]

if there is no raid night, there is no wow

and for reasons my guildies love my shitty laughter, they keep telling me i can make the most unhinged psychopath laughter

[sweet ledge]

how are you guys tracking caustic spatter

and how many targets do we FOK 3+ or 2+

[coral ibex]

get your numbers up kid

[golden loom]

No need

[spice surge]

You dont really need to, just dont swap targets

And even if you do, just envenom and its up

[sweet ledge]

alright got it

[golden loom]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok/Generator Conditions in Midnight
Always finish on 5+ combo points, or go to maximum with Darkest Night Envenom

• Crimson Tempest -> until all targets have bleeds
• Fan of Knives -> 2+ targets, or 3+ if talented into blindside
• Mutilate/Ambush otherwise

[sweet ledge]

tyty

[snow kindle]

Shiv for CP feels very effecient, is it not?

[golden loom]

deathstalker can shiv at 6cp when you have darkest night but its a very minimal minmax

[storm forum]

Kind of, it still costs a gcd, and there's not many circumstances where we want exactly 1 cp

[snow kindle]

10 energy for 1-2CP while at 5CP just seems so much better

[golden loom]

well you want to finish at 5 already (unless ds darkest night)

[snow kindle]

We are finishing at 5 as FB sin?

[golden loom]

yes

[storm forum]

Yeah

[snow kindle]

Oh okay thought that was a law thing

why is this the case now

coin?

[golden loom]

was a thing for whole of tww aswell

for both hero talents

generating (mutilate/ambush) on 5 has a chance to overcap due to seal fate (not to mention the hero talent interactions with 5+ finishers)

[storm forum]

It's a reasonable assumption, historically we usually finished at max-1. And yeah it's cause we just wanna proc the hero talents as much as possible and they get triggered at 5+

[snow kindle]

How does finishing at 5 even work if we using Stratagem.

[golden loom]

well mutilate can give 5 combo points with a double crit

sealfate + deal fate

[spice surge]

What does stratagem have to do with it

[civic trellis]

this feels so good

[golden loom]

the combo point range of mutilate is 2-5 for fatebound

[storm forum]

Strat finisher bonus is always active if that's what ur worried about

[snow kindle]

Cause it says your finish moves that consume more than 5

not 5 or more

[golden loom]

the finisher damage is independent of that line

the first part of the talent just means that a 6 combo point envenom does more damage than a 5 pointer

[spice surge]

Yeah those are unrelated

[storm forum]

The "increased effects" part just makes your finishers scale with cp above 5

[snow kindle]

I dont feel like its unrelated cause we are sacrificing 10% dps from finishers

[spice surge]

You arent

[storm forum]

We aren't

[snow kindle]

Okay so stratgem works at 5

[spice surge]

Stratagem is +5% finisher damage

Always

[golden loom]

it even works at 1 combo point

[blazing totem]

stratagem works even at 1 cp

it is flat 5% finisher dmg

[golden loom]

let me in!"

[blazing totem]

the only mechanical change that stratagem brings is it gives you one extra max cp

[wraith knot]

https://giphy.com/gifs/muppetwiki-muppets-angry-mob-frog-prince-8PfKWm6AX1IdDRARyg

[snow kindle]

oh i see

[storm forum]

Using the extra scaling from cp at 6 and 7 cp still costs cp so our damage per cp is still the same.

[coral ibex]

[wraith knot]

Gah damn already

[spice surge]

The puzzler

[coral ibex]

🧩

[snow kindle]

Wait so what the hell are the increased effects mean lol

[wraith knot]

Also what addon is it that makes your menus etc look like that? It's kinda easy on the eyes

[coral ibex]

elvui

[wraith knot]

ty

[blazing totem]

all that means is it keeps scaling past 5 cp

[storm forum]

It means they scale past 5 cp

[snow kindle]

i see

Okay thanks

[blazing totem]

to not give the illusion that cps above 5 are wasted

[storm forum]

It's not the most well worded talent

[blazing totem]

it used to scale Kidney shot stun duration as well past 5cp

but they capped that one now at 5cp

[storm forum]

Wait rly?

[blazing totem]

been for a while

[golden loom]

kindey also doesnt consume supercharger so makes sense ig

[blazing totem]

if you try to consume more than 5cp kidney, it just takes 5cp

leaves you with the rest

[civic trellis]

i want supercharger 7 cp kidney shot

[storm forum]

That sounds so fucked up

[blazing totem]

stuns beyond 10sec do sound a bit silly so I get why they did that

[wraith knot]

What's it called on curseforge? I'm getting all sorts of stuff but can't tell which one is the original

Nevermind just googled it and it's not on curseforge

[golden loom]

do not dabble in the elvui curse

default ui and you can never go wrong

[wraith knot]

B-but it looks nice

[civic trellis]

elvui devouring my frames in every wow version
never again using it

[wraith knot]

[blazing totem]

but to be fair 5cp kidney now stuns for what old kidney 7cp would

[coral ibex]

plays fine for me these days

[blazing totem]

it just removes the silliness with supercharge

[coral ibex]

i get good fps in raid

like over 80

[civic trellis]

my pc barely managed midnight so far

i wont risk it

[wraith knot]

Even with optimised settings?

[civic trellis]

yes

[wraith knot]

I had to max out my frames because in my house I was getting 400+ fps and my fans sounded like cargo ship propellars

[north spruce]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486090402275786873/drops.png

[wraith knot]

Are you using a specific profile or did you set it all up yourself?

[past bobcat]

I think sin is maybe really ok rn

[coral ibex]

i use atrocityui

[coral ibex]

feeling LARGE atm https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kJrTWG4aXJVNc3qJnxYdMT

[wraith knot]

Holy shit

[severe meadow]

Imagine having 4pc..

Could not be me

[coral ibex]

this guy hasn't gotten 2k io yet

[storm forum]

I have 4P and I'm doing like 25% less dam than that

[severe meadow]

bro even with that I would only have 3pc

[coral ibex]

what

[severe meadow]

Vault was bad and only 1 tier from splits

[coral ibex]

did you not get looted 2p

oof

i got 2 heroic tokens

paid 50k for an lfr drop

and cata'd for 4p

[severe meadow]

yeah between heroic and our splits we saw like 2 leather tokens

it was rough

[coral ibex]

ive gotten 4 charges as drops today

yea that sucks, thats how our clothies are

our loot guy is not happy

[civic trellis]

eu up finally
gl all, go get that 4piece

[brave gyro]

can i get all 4 pieces in vault? Cuz 17 bosses last week got me 0

[wraith knot]

Oof

Tier helm I guess? I don't have any pieces yet

[severe meadow]

ring is okay but prob helm

[wraith knot]

Thanks

[shut sand]

Huuige

[golden loom]

not bad

[limber granite]

hummmmm

[sand elm]

i misread those gloves as tour de france

[limber granite]

ahahahahah

[balmy condor]

@coral ibex what the hell is that vorasius

that's so disgusting

[naive dragon]

Shhh don’t tell anyone assa is blasting in keys lol 😂

[coral ibex]

i did feel it went well tn

imagine if got to recraft my weapon before raid

it might have made it to lock in as a 100

[balmy condor]

bro I did

and you curbstomped me

[coral ibex]

potting execute?

[balmy condor]

that doesn't make up these kinda of numbers

[coral ibex]

idk, just a god pull i guess

37 blindsides

mf you have gaze

🖕

[balmy condor]

poisoners drive diff

I guess

[coral ibex]

seen 0 in 4 chim kills

25m each time

[golden loom]

gaze dn

[bitter crow]

@balmy condor WHEN do you ever sleep oO??

[balmy condor]

what's that

[golden loom]

sleeping during season start

[bitter crow]

sleeping be optional

[plucky ember]

hmm

im not sure what to get

[regal solar]

Heya i'm wondering what should i pick, the tier piece is the only slot i have already Hero gear that i could catalyst, and shoulders i have vet 6/6, should i take Osseoclad spauls or hand tier piece still ?

[coral ibex]

i copied my builds from this, i guess they've changed since i copied them?

i didnt choose it intentionally fwiw

i do like the cp refund tho

[balmy condor]

yeah

[dire smelt]

im so lucky lucky :D

[balmy condor]

getting gapped by my own guide

is crazy

[golden loom]

guess I gotta play assa tonight to push Nooj down the ranks

[coral ibex]

i was gonna ping you to tell you there was fresh space at the top now

[coral ibex]

#2 runs poisoners too

so does that damn diaperbaby backshotbot

[balmy condor]

yeah idk

poisoners is supposedly like

1% worse

[coral ibex]

inspiring sounds like the better talent tbf

[golden loom]

improved ambush + inspiring gaming

[balmy condor]

it's basically like

5%

at 98% uptime

how could poisoners be better

[coral ibex]

whats the damage of 1 cp

or .98 cp

[balmy condor]

it's about 20% envenom damage added

so it should be like 3.6-4%

[golden loom]

??????

[coral ibex]

if you giga proc blindside in execute you can basically just be casting 5-6cp envenoms every other global, which would probably be even better with improved ambush

wait also unless wcl gear is inaccurate you dont even have 2p tier?

that cant be right

[balmy condor]

yeah

surely

[coral ibex]

then wtf are you coping about 4.8k dps

[balmy condor]

I AM SHIT AT THE GAME

[coral ibex]

when i have tier

[balmy condor]

one piece of tier from normal

surely

and then I can 4p

or something

I have also sent my crests since then

so I'm 262 now

4 ilvl is a lot

I think

hopefully

idk

I'm coping

[golden roost]

cope is real

[coral ibex]

i mean you beat exile who also had 4p and the same ilvl as you

just go into lfr and pay a bozo 50k for a tier drop

thats what i did

[golden loom]

50K??

I had to pay a mill..

[coral ibex]

i offered 25

he said 50

[golden loom]

tbh I didnt negotiate well

I just insta dm'd 1mil?

[coral ibex]

lmfao

[golden loom]

a guildie offered 5m and the guy said "fuck off"

[coral ibex]

bro i would have sold you the drop if i got it for 1m

[golden loom]

so I was afraid of that

[coral ibex]

and i need the drop

[shut sand]

Yes this is the wae + u always get 1 cp from envenoming

[sudden brook]

Theres no way to leverage eternal voidsong chain right

[shut sand]

Imagine yeah

U try to get to 35% asap on the boss; saving ur last use of DM and KB

U hit 35% mark

U start pooling energy, let env fall off

Reapply bleeds in mean time

Envenom falls off

U envenom once

Now u puzzle box and pop EVERYTHING

u will go ham like never before

Blindside will get u those constant envenoms

So make sure u have 80% energy buildup from implacable beforen u hit 35% mark so when it falls off u get max value from energy regen

And save a thistle tea if possible, u can buy them from AH for like 3g a pop

[old obsidian]

with no tier -.-

and 0 trinket biss

my lucky x_x

[shut sand]

What trinkets u guys going with?

I’m going with the crucible w/ all unlocks + puzzle box

[golden loom]

also shares a cooldown with combat pot so there is no world where you would ever use a classic tea

[shut sand]

Never used a combat pot so dont know 🥲

[royal hazel]

hi Whispyr, wowhead assa rogue season 1 builds might need a review, chima for example is different to what people are using

[fervent relic]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486090402275786873/drops.png

[balmy condor]

the builds are updated

idk who chima is

you mean the boss?

[royal hazel]

Chimaerus the Undreamt Go

[balmy condor]

yeah the boss

yeah idk, people can't seem to agree on fucking anything

[royal hazel]

seems that way

[shut sand]

I’m still annoyed blindside build doesnt use improved ambush talent

[royal hazel]

sent you a pm whispyr, with more detail

probably just the updated builds havent been pushed through

[golden loom]

or people just play different things regardless

[royal hazel]

maybe 🙂

maybe not a good idea to take uncanny strikes thou

anyways just psa, i need to now and update my builds before raid 2night

[rugged basalt]

gm

[balmy condor]

which build is doing that

[royal hazel]

according to preview, all of them?

[balmy condor]

should be literally none of them

[royal hazel]

sorry not all like most

[balmy condor]

you can go to the talent calc

and check

[royal hazel]

i am in the talent calc

on wowhead

i gtg but fyi

just trying to help guys

[balmy condor]

I appreciate the help

but none of the builds are taking canny

[balmy condor]

these are the builds linked

[royal hazel]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/midnight-season-1-raid-tips - this is where i found the boss specific builds.

[balmy condor]

they are the same

[royal hazel]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/blizzard/CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYMjZZGMAAAAAwsMYbGAAAAAQbbzMzMzMjxMzMz2MLzMDMjZmZMzMzYAMwCMjRjZBklBsZsBYmZwA

its not dude

what i mean is

if you click or import the build from #assassination message

its wrong

[rugged basalt]

Which boss on that page?

[royal hazel]

but the builds in the caculator are correct

first one @ lans

[rugged basalt]

Chima doesn’t use that talent upon checking preview, but is it the code?

[royal hazel]

this is the first boss, link as per boss build preview

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/fatebound/EAOFFRUVRUVUVZiBRCUUNVVBRVBlVWCUFNBEFFVVVUBA

using uncanny

[rugged basalt]

It’s using the other thing

[royal hazel]

and pison bomb

[rugged basalt]

I previewed, it shows it correctly. I copied the code and pasted it on icyveins’s talent calc and it was the same

I can’t replicate this haha

[royal hazel]

ok thats great

i will close and reopen

[rugged basalt]

Hit a forced refresh or clear cache

Ctrl f5 or ctrl shift r

[royal hazel]

i am so sorry

holy shit

ive been using this website for a week

[rugged basalt]

For some reason it preloaded that info for you lol

[royal hazel]

griefed myself gg

this is so dumb

[balmy condor]

we love the internet

glad it wasn't me

I was kinda losing it

cause I remember swapping it earlier this week

[rugged basalt]

I don’t gaslight before 9 am

[balmy condor]

or late last week?

idk, days aren't real anymore

[rugged basalt]

You were cutting it close

[balmy condor]

literally losing my mind

[rugged basalt]

Little birdy told me the lizard is buffing m+ but I didn’t have enough time to world tour

[balmy condor]

haven't seen shit for gear

[rugged basalt]

Oh I did something so embarrassing yesterday

I walked into a dungeon with raid single target talents
Did piss on adds
Top dmg boss
Apologised so much
++8
Took a ring and left

Getting a loot while apologising was awkward