#assassination

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strange onyx
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killing the architecht

cold marten
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Kill the Nexus instead

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50g and 25lp ez

echo prairie
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Ye 5 of them are toward the cap and 30 aren’t so it’s freelo

humble verge
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anyways

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time for gym

high dust
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gems...is it worth the crit diamond? no? yes? i've seen both sides idk

strange onyx
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sim

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or primary stat

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u choose

severe meadow
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I’m still using shit gems tbh

humble verge
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@coral ibex @golden loom @viscid spear

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meager latch
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Do you all think that the buff to sin rogues is going to make it competitive with sub rogues or no probably not.

strange onyx
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already are

plucky ember
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will it make it competative to other classes?

royal lantern
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will it fill the deep emptiness inside me?

grim jay
royal lantern
severe meadow
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Freakholdt 78652hmmmmm

plucky ember
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ew plastic

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cant you splurge abit and atleast give us the waxed fabric ones

dry night
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Should I macro the puzzle Box trinket to death Mark or use them seperatly?

normal mist
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You can't really do that

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It has a channel

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Use separately

dry night
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Yeah feels kinda arkward in m0

normal mist
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Will continue to feel weird

real pike
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I just use Tor

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Heathrow isn't great

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Nor is the rest of the country

coral walrus
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!log

prisma monolithBOT
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Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

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coral walrus
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Would appreciate it.

runic hinge
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@spice spire

somber fractal
wicked valve
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!buffs

prisma monolithBOT
wicked valve
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lolololo

coral walrus
severe meadow
normal mist
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It's most likely rotational and CD management problems

haughty flicker
coral walrus
coral walrus
quiet oar
severe meadow
coral walrus
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tips would be more appreciated 🙂

snow kindle
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I mean yea your rotation is everywhere

crisp pine
coral walrus
coral walrus
snow kindle
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reread the guide when i look at the log sometimes youre just pressin stuff

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and idk why

severe meadow
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You did a second garrote

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Envenom between DM and KB

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Is this imp garrote or something

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Bc you also vanish garrote

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After

snow kindle
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not like youre playing insanely incorrectly you just do things here and there that dont make sense

coral walrus
vast osprey
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!buffs

prisma monolithBOT
coral walrus
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the envenom between dm and kdb is a mistake no idea why i did it

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ty, i ll look at that.

coral walrus
snow kindle
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You need to learn to read your log

coral walrus
snow kindle
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For example you didnt press your trinket in the opener

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Surely you could understand that tho right

somber fractal
snow kindle
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😭

haughty flicker
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he just started the cast before pull, he had trinket in his opener

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unfortunately i havent paid enough attention to assa recently to do a real log review

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this is definitely a bit of an issue though, you use puzzlebox so long before your cds that it misses the end of them

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solar wyvern
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Youre also hella delaying your kingsbane which in turn is delaying your deathmark

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Which cascades down the road

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First kb at 11 seconds, 2nd at 1:18, etc

haughty flicker
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yeah you dont get your last deathmark off until 4 seconds before the fight ends due to that

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basically lost an entire use of cds

solar wyvern
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On a 632 kill timer and a kb cast at 432 youre missing an entire cast

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Also mutilate randomly between dm kb

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Which is pountless since kb will fill cp

coral walrus
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Thank you, will look into that.

coral walrus
coral walrus
solar wyvern
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Very it cascades all the way to a missed cd set IN EXECUTE

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See thos damage spikes?

coral walrus
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Y

solar wyvern
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You missed the last one with a 30% amp

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Very bad

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Hope that helps not flaming

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Just stressing the importance

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Actually even more cause i believe the intermission damage amp would be occuring at end of fight too

static glacier
feral basin
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!buffs

prisma monolithBOT
exotic hearth
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If we lose so much by doing aoe should we aim for ST? Like yes it would be lower overall parse, but if our main area is boss damn, wouldn't it make sense to lean into it?

strange onyx
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what u mean we lose so much?

exotic hearth
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If were high on boss dam but low overall, that tells me that every other class is significantly more cut out for the aoe aspects of the fight, so why not lean into the boss dam and ignore adds and CT energy drain

strange onyx
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It is just burst aoe we are not good that

snow kindle
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which is basically every boss rn because its N/H

golden loom
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going from sub to assa with puzzlebox in dungeons is depressing

runic hinge
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Puzzyb is depressing

royal lantern
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its depression all the way down

golden loom
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eh subs fun

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assa is also fun

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puzzlebox is not

velvet vault
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!plater

prisma monolithBOT
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Assassination UI Imports:
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severe meadow
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Sorry I’m just now catching up again

haughty flicker
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that was in reference to the other person claiming he didnt use trinket in opener

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wasnt really relevant to anything

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was just ironic the person telling him to learn to read his logs read the log incorrectly

twilit lagoon
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Is there a way to show Combo Points spent when looking at the Timelines for Casts?

gray raven
severe meadow
quasi frost
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how is assas looking rn compared to sub

coral ibex
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better boss damage

severe meadow
storm forum
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Fine. All three rogue specs are middle of the pack on logs. Assa has best boss damage, sub has good tools for stuff like blowing up add sets and 3rd boss dam Amp

severe meadow
storm forum
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Alright I gotta check the logs again lmao

severe meadow
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(Sub has better parses in general tho)

storm forum
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Was the assa parse just casino town? Lmao

severe meadow
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Oh jk sub is one again

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On it

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Okay well we got the second highest xd

storm forum
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10 ilvl diff lmao

severe meadow
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Yea that happened some hours ago

polar bridge
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yeah the pack being drug along on the ground

crisp pine
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ur mom lol

keen spruce
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Heroic week overall damage garf_sit

primal parrot
crisp pine
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gotem

storm forum
keen spruce
polar bridge
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yeah ill take your word on the hypothetical future

keen spruce
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And non-hypothetical past

weak crescent
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Boss damage is good

storm forum
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I mean when I checked yesterday, sub and assa were only slightly behind in the middle, now it's 12 hours later and we're dog

weak crescent
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but cleave is 0

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and the late fights need cleave

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kinda sucks

keen spruce
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Yeah and heroic adds get exploded so anyone with AoE burst yoinks all of the damage

polar bridge
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doesnt matter when other classes have the same boss damage but twice the cleave and aoe without sacrificing anything

weak crescent
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that is true

keen spruce
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And if you’re not an optimal AoE burst spec then you’re likely not going to invest heavily into AoE in your build

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So it looks even worse

polar bridge
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6th best boss damage when 1-5 best boss damage has good aoe is just a laughable stat

storm forum
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SMH all the fury wars got 10 more ilvl and now there's nothing for us to spatter on

weak crescent
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I feel like they dont know what to do with rogue. Just slapping an aura buff kinda hurts

severe meadow
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Dooming is crazy

storm forum
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Yeah aura buff is "we like how the spec plays and their damage breakdown and don't wanna change anything" or "idk how the fuck any of this works and we only got a week, slap a Bandaid on and see what happens" and we don't really have a way to tell

keen spruce
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They’re not going to retool power levels right before mythic. They’ve always done lazy buffs and nerfs like pre mythic

weak crescent
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best class ever^^

severe meadow
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With the best boss damage

weak crescent
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You are a gamer

severe meadow
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I'm just lost on what ya'll want

weak crescent
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i dont want anything

severe meadow
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Heroic adds die in no time at all and we don't do any cleave burst

keen spruce
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It’s the same complaint every tier that we’re not precisely #1 in boss damage

weak crescent
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i was just saying haha

crisp pine
keen spruce
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Top 6 boss damage is good

severe meadow
weak crescent
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and will probably matter in m+

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we will see

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i just wanna stab harder^^

plucky ember
subtle tundra
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ok guys you get a 20% envenom buff and caustic goes down to 12%

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so you can do more st

severe meadow
thorn thorn
prisma monolithBOT
polar bridge
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not top 3 tho

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not even top 5

thorn thorn
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Varas got the best cooks

polar bridge
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need to update the meme

plucky ember
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i think he means "top 3 of the rogue spec"

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jokes

thorn thorn
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Moroes provides only objective truths

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He is a man of integrity

fallow canopy
thorn thorn
restive falcon
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ez 4pc before tuesday FeelsGoodEnoughMan

polar sail
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Can i play assa ans sub with same gear and same enchant and stats?

keen spruce
polar sail
little tulip
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so i know the answer is sim yoself

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but how much haste is good?

pure moth
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its definitely a sim question. its all based off the gear you have.

midnight mist
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How much of assa cleave is spatter rn

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like in raid builds

viscid aurora
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have u guys crafted a weapon this week ?

solar wyvern
analog field
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whispyr has like 6-7% in chimaerus

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3k DPS out of 45

midnight mist
analog field
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My answer not enough 🙁

solar wyvern
midnight mist
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no thats not really what im asking tho

solar wyvern
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So like 10.7%

midnight mist
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rahter how much of my aoe is from spatter vs other sources

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because spatter is the only source that doesnt lose value when a target dies fast

analog field
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Interesting question Id say like if you do 11m caustic is 10 and other sources like CT etc is 1

midnight mist
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this sounds like absolute turbo cap

analog field
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I don't have hard evidence but it should be something like this

midnight mist
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caustic isnt 90% of your aoe no ?

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wasnt it super nerfed

solar wyvern
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Ye, the other major aoe dam source is basically fok and secondary poison

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If it dies fast

midnight mist
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really

analog field
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Yeah but we have no other sources xd

midnight mist
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okok

solar wyvern
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Bleeds if it lives long

analog field
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like what rup and gar that were spread?

midnight mist
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i underestimated spatter

little tulip
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chimerrus isn't great aoe fight tho

solar wyvern
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Ye it really isnt

little tulip
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the adds are soft and if everyone aoes the boss generally doesn't die so good

midnight mist
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follow up question

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does spatter hit the adds on vorasuis

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cause big ass hitbox

analog field
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whisp has 2% spatter in vorasius

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400k out of 19.5m

midnight mist
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prolly doesnt work

solar wyvern
midnight mist
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hmge

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how big is spatter whatdehelyl !

solar wyvern
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Dwagon boss

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Where everything instantly dies

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Spatter good in quick aoe

midnight mist
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you guys kinda lied about the aoe thing also

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nice gaslight

analog field
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Dragons is the best boss probably? maybe paladins?

solar wyvern
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What fight dawg

static glacier
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yo crew, anyone got a juicer sudden demise M0 build for me? feel like demisemaxxing again

solar wyvern
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Jsyk secondary poisoning is amp and deadly as well

midnight mist
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just checking

solar wyvern
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Oh yeah long fights is bleeds and spatter value

analog field
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I mean yeah if target have 10m hp bleeds do dmg

midnight mist
analog field
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but add damage is mostly spatter

static glacier
midnight mist
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ok thanks for the answer guys

solar wyvern
midnight mist
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just searching for reasons to not play assa

haughty flicker
solar wyvern
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But ye

midnight mist
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i found enough

static glacier
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secondary is pretty good man

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trust

solar wyvern
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Spatter bleeds good long, spatter fok good short tldr play outlaw zac

midnight mist
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ye you mean sub

solar wyvern
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Ye

midnight mist
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idk why everyonje seems to have forgotten sub has a 14% tier set

static glacier
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lowkey sin WILL be the play on some of these bosses

solar wyvern
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We found out imp sec tec is doing 32% and not 15% increase btw

midnight mist
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very lowkey then

solar wyvern
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XD

midnight mist
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like small key

stuck lodge
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The priority is keeping up garrote and rupture over envenom spamming to 80 implace stacks right?

static glacier
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especially if the mythic adds live longer / fights have lust in execute (two dragons)

midnight mist
solar wyvern
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One tier...

midnight mist
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same bro same

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one day

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not today tho

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today is another sub day

solar wyvern
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Nop

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Surely next friday notws

crisp pine
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I lowkey don't like current outlaw

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don't even know why really

midnight mist
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smol key

static glacier
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bro the sin channel has gone to shit

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all we have now is outlaw crackheads here 😭

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getting sd gatekept by zac xd

twilit python
spice spire
outer tree
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what does the author of the assassination optimization FAQ page mean by this?:

"Envenom
Ignoring buff duration is totally fine"

spice spire
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The buff duration doesn’t mean as much as it used to

static glacier
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!pooling

prisma monolithBOT
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  • Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
  • Without the Apex talent there is no reason to pool, once midnight drops this will update with whatever logic is found
static glacier
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@balmy condor update logic that was found pls

fringe kraken
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huuuuuge buff for assa

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All ability and melee damage increased by 4%.

hallow glade
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ill be so pissed

gaunt sable
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Anyone know where Crucible of Erratic Energies (Trinket) ranks on our tier list?

strange wolf
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worse then some delves

gaunt sable
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damn

strange wolf
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according to liquid armory

zenith elm
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!buffs

prisma monolithBOT
zenith elm
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hey frens, how is it going?

strange wolf
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hai

gaunt sable
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i replaced it with Lost Idol of the Hash'ey and I feel like I'm doing less

strange wolf
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its cause of proc ratio

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if i were you i would advice go farm for puzzlebox

charred nest
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Is assas currently outdealing the other two specs in raid?

real pike
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Feels so buns to use

sand elm
strange wolf
subtle tundra
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bring back font of power

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thats the goat

stuck lodge
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turns out you cannot move while channeling puzzle box

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if I could I feel like I wouldn't hate it as much

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the timing for the opener is also a little tight to not drop implacable

near aspen
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still ct/fok on 2 targets? talent dependant right?

midnight mist
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why is there only 1 alleria kill as assa on hc

real pike
midnight mist
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is there anything im missing

real pike
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I could give tours of hell

haughty flicker
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sub tier

midnight mist
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that doesnt matter there is a lot of assa one tricks and the boss isnt particularly bad for assa as far as i can tell

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for now at least

real pike
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Not many guilds have killed hc yet?

midnight mist
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i think its a sub boss once sub get 4p but rn thats irrelevant

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am just confused why so few people chose to play assa on it

real pike
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It's only been one raid for most guilds

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How many sub kills are there

midnight mist
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6

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8

real pike
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Lol I was about to say

thorn thorn
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Who let zac break containment again

midnight mist
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this is an assassination discussion

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relevant to this channel

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ok

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no pirate stuffs

thorn thorn
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Oh

midnight mist
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well timers are better for sub but in theory execute is valuable on this boss

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because p2 phasing is on a hp treshold

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p2 to p3 i mean

sand elm
real pike
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Yeah I know was just making a bad joke about being accustomed to hell

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It's the first channel trink I've had where you can't move

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Not fun

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Unless wait could you move during beacon

fallow canopy
midnight mist
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same

royal lantern
midnight mist
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idk i wanted to try assa on alt run

royal lantern
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atleast what im thinking there

midnight mist
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idk

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if you are a sin player idk why you arent trying sin on that boss

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has arguments for it

haughty flicker
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assa players suck and havent gotten to that boss yet

midnight mist
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ye

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i guess

thorn thorn
haughty flicker
royal lantern
thorn thorn
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The real message is sub is kill

royal lantern
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sub is kill

grim jay
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Wise words

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We need to understand the deeper meaning, so we can see the real value

thorn thorn
gilded oasis
little condor
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Can someonme explain the opener for me please

jolly stirrup
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Garrote, Mut until 5cp, Rupture, mut to 5cp, envenom, send CDs. Blast

little condor
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okay thanks

hallow glade
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Why are they buffing this overpowered spec again?

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thorn thorn
gilded oasis
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I can pull one boss too

image.png
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need more buffs

thorn thorn
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Me when the dot spec cant pad on adds that blow up instantly

haughty flicker
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actually that one fits his narrative too

image.png
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assa is op as fuck idk why its getting buffed

thorn thorn
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!buffs

prisma monolithBOT
haughty flicker
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!buffs

prisma monolithBOT
midnight mist
thorn thorn
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I love memes

runic hinge
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they should buff outlaw 12%

thorn thorn
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They should buff outlaw by one morbillion percent

midnight mist
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i agree with this statement

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both these statements actually

hallow glade
midnight mist
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its a sub tier buddy

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good thing is you dont need to craft a dagger it drops from 2nd boss

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just loot the boss

hallow glade
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Arcanoweave = hunt ya?

runic hinge
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which boss drops a sword for when they buff outlaw 18%

hallow glade
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Fist weapon 3rd boss

midnight mist
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3 and 4 i think

hallow glade
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And alleria

haughty flicker
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how close is 4 to a morbillion

gilded oasis
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pretty close I think

haughty flicker
midnight mist
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ye 3 4 and 6

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gives outlaw weapon

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doesnt that mean outlaw tier

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legit every boss gives a weapon

hallow glade
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I think so

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Enough to spare

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You probably give fist weapon to enhance

midnight mist
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who ?

hallow glade
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If that’s the shammy spec

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By the time you kill alleria

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Everyone else has a 1H

midnight mist
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shaman spec is healer shaman

hallow glade
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I thought it sucked too

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Idk I don’t follow healer shit

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I don’t even know what we have

midnight mist
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ok sure get a dps in here

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idk what you gonna do with an enhance tho

hallow glade
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I know what like 2 of our healers play

midnight mist
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these type of classes are crafting weapons anyway

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rogue cant do the same unless you are dagger specialist but even then its sussy imo

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because you are sole soaker of daggers

hallow glade
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Not anymore Cheesin

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Instead of making rogue good in raid

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They made it less bad when a dagger drops with no rogue in raid

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gg

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Survival can use daggers before outlaw how did that happen

lethal arrow
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really love that a hunter can roll need on a dagger in a pug now

royal lantern
midnight mist
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guy still think its an outlaw/assa tier btw

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sub has a 14% tier set incoming next week

thorn thorn
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who is guy

midnight mist
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a random

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dw about it

royal lantern
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-> new raidtier is comming soon

-> #subtlety is crying about assa for the entire alpha and beta testing phase

-> raid releases

-> it has adds that need to die fast OR has multiple bosses where quick big burst dmg is very valuable, which causes sub to be the best option for the important prog phase

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repeat next tier

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repeat for the last 5 years and next 5 years aswell

midnight mist
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i think this tier its also just tuned higher

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simple as that

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sure it doesnt look like that for now pre 14% tier set but its not hard to do the math

royal lantern
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ngl

is there another class where a single spec is THAT dominant for prog raiding for such a long time?

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maybe mage with arcane i gues lol

crisp pine
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warrior

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lel

midnight mist
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they only have 2 specs tbf

crisp pine
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yea

royal lantern
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prot and fury

midnight mist
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so its 50/50

midnight mist
lethal arrow
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its nver not been a sub tier

midnight mist
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like sub has been uninterrupted prog spec for 3 expac straight

lethal arrow
midnight mist
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i think the only exceptions would be outlaw in s1 df

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and outlaw assa in s1 sl

royal lantern
royal lantern
midnight mist
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ye i guess fire is a bit more like assa in that regard

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there is the occasional boss

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i think they do exec or smth

midnight mist
royal lantern
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SL S1 start was like

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outlaw was kinda ok

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sub was meh

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assa was really down bad and they had to give it a 15(?) aura buff or smth like that lmao

night delta
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assa was AW-FUL

royal lantern
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after that it was good

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but damm, it was BAD bad before that

night delta
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it was a chore to play regardless

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energy was gutter, manual slice and dice

royal lantern
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SL S1 had me Raiding as Outlaw for a good while dracthyr_kek

night delta
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I almost quit at that time because of that

thorn thorn
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Rsham for slt and skyfury

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But ele and enh also have skyfury now so maybe they are played more logs

copper matrix
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so fishhook sucks dick? on all 3 specs?

night delta
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it's kinda close in ST iirc

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but add a few targets and it just falls off

copper matrix
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thnx

bleak sedge
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I want to test assa for a few dungeons. Am i tweaking or is sub walking faster?

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Ah sub stealths faster. Man this feels ass jesus

haughty flicker
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the talent is in the class tree, you can take it on assa if you really want

night delta
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yep that's probably it

bleak sedge
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Ahh thanks!

haughty flicker
night delta
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and outlaw straight up has a movespeed talent

bleak sedge
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can i drop the shiv talent? We dont use it anyways right?

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Toxic stilleto

haughty flicker
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yeah utility is for nerds

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also there arent really many uses for soothe atm

night delta
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there's like, 3 mobs in the entire m+ season I recall having an enrage

bleak sedge
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Oh yea this feels way better

high dust
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daggers evade me smh...

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plush oasis
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I have like six epic quality daggers. Game won't give me anything else.

high dust
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A monk friend of mine had like 4 weapons on today's m0s. and here I am

little tulip
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last season i got one myth dagger during pre patch and the mechagon season only saw that dagger drop once

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it's currently raining knifes

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sheesh even the skyreach dagger dropped today kekdog

high dust
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Damn i wish that were me, that or pit, but no...everytime I go to skyreach, I get a stupid cloak dead

warm vortex
little tulip
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my trinkets are probs gonna be horrendous for what it's wortb

warm vortex
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3+ m0 tours to see even my first one drop

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Luckily my friend helped me with the last

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also ignore the hunter part

high dust
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wait

warm vortex
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i'm an oversized rogue

high dust
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survival can use daggers?

warm vortex
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Trust

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Ye

high dust
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damn

warm vortex
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It's the best weapon type atm for pack leader due to a talent that gives focus on auto attack

high dust
#

starting from today, my gf is getting survival loot kekw

haughty flicker
#

you arent getting daggers to drop bc hunters are stealing them all

warm vortex
#

and the other hero tree is performing better but nobody plays it cause the bugs make it unfun

warm vortex
#

True

high dust
#

damn, truly any weapon is a hunter's weapon

warm vortex
#

I need to make a powerpoint on why i deserve the daggers if they drop from the 2nd boss (the raid leader is a sub rogue)

high dust
#

tbf...? that was me on tbc asking for bow. they are getting their revenge.

warm vortex
#

Exactly
How the tables turn

Completly ignoring how i probably wasn't even alive at that point in time but still lmao

plush oasis
#

I was wondering why they were talking about giving a dagger to a hunter in my raid. Thought they were joking.

high dust
#

blizzard make outlaw a range spec with guns so I can steal them too pls ty.

warm vortex
#

I'd love that

#

One slot one hander, one slot gun

#

peak outlaw

high dust
#

Tbf? The only way I would be playing outlaw

#

too many seasons from past expansions playing outlaw cause mythic, no more ty... T_T

plush oasis
#

Please no. As soon as they make outlaw an actual ranged there will be no end of dumb people nagging about me switching to it for certain things.

#

(melee bad)

high dust
#

But fuck them. Tbf? Survival is already outlaw with guns

#

daggers.
a big fucking shotgun
bombs.

#

(Hate the shotgun, the only reason I aint playing it tbf...)

haughty flicker
#

really feel like fury of the eagle shouldve at least survived as a glyph for boomstick

high dust
#

for sure would be cool

haughty flicker
#

hunter class fantasy has been all over the place ever since hero talents were added though

#

its a little cursed

high dust
#

I did wanna play hunter survival haranir, but the shotgun fucking destroys the fantasy...

wild basin
#

is the strat for nullaeus ?? still going with sub?

high dust
#

i should try nullaeus...is it hard on assa?

haughty flicker
#

i personally dont know any rogue who hasnt done it on sub

#

being able to juggle threat with shadow dance is kinda op

high dust
#

checks sub stats just in case

wild basin
#

mh okok

high dust
#

oh im fine for sure.

balmy condor
#

It’s literally just can you survive white hits

high dust
#

atleast I know that if I had to change spec, im okeyish

image.png image.png
high dust
balmy condor
#

You could have the worst fucking stats imaginable

#

Go in with an int dagger won’t matter

balmy condor
#

That’s pretty hard

high dust
#

...damn. Then wtf is the strat? rerolling to feral and go guardian?

balmy condor
#

It’s not hard in any other way

#

I mean if you want the easy mode you go in on blood dk

#

And literally afk the fight

high dust
#

literally I did that on ky'veza

#

had dk frost alter, got it on blood with single button XD

haughty flicker
#

easy mode is shadow priest

balmy condor
#

Havoc really good too they just leech

haughty flicker
#

press fade on cd and dominate mind one of the adds

high dust
#

so on rogue is...praying? i have less time than last expansion to play, dont really wanna gear my dk... (atleast he's 90 already...)

runic hinge
haughty flicker
little tulip
#

honestly outlaw could probably do it since evasion is almost always up

haughty flicker
#

as long as you survive between dances its not bad

#

and dont have like a lvl 7 valeera or something dumb

#

level up your pokemon before you fight the gym leader

high dust
#

eh...

#

lvl 22 with levl 1 curios. that should do it.

#

fml.

little tulip
#

ye tried that with a champ dagger and it turns into micro rez/threat fest

haughty flicker
#

that should be fine yeah

little tulip
#

doable but mean

high dust
#

valeera tank i guess?

#

and ress her on CD...?

near aspen
#

no

#

healer

#

and live the white hits

haughty flicker
#

tank valeera is completely useless unless you are a healer

#

healer always

high dust
#

healer it is.

subtle crown
#

Is there a bug with tracking implaccable on CDM?

little condor
#

I just finished the raid on nhc. Rouge feels horrible. Not just sin.

primal parrot
#

rouge goes on the face silly

little tulip
#

could just be gear

buoyant herald
#

Rouge is the first colour of the French rainbow

little tulip
#

some people are running crafted hero weapons green enchants cause they're cheap and got full champ at this point

#

i got a hero chest for cata next week if that is next week

buoyant herald
#

I got that thorn trinket that is unimaginably bad 😭

#

On hero

thorn thorn
#

@severe meadow

fallen charm
#

what happened to the trinkets pin?

#

are back on alnseer+cringebox bis?

severe meadow
wild basin
#

can you actually revive valeera in the nullaeus fight when the blue orbs are pulling you away?

leaden cobalt
#

Just getting back to Assassination, anyone got a good resource so I can make sure I'm doing my rotation properly? I'm struggling at 80% parse.

normal mist
#

80% parse is actually pretty good

#

Just pad more

gaunt sable
#

in dungeons can I leave crippling poison off? is there a dmg loss in some way?

plucky ember
#

got a 52% parse on the 2nd boss in voidspire

#

im good with that

#

been some time i had a good parse

night delta
#

but if you slowing the mobs makes grouping them up a chore for the tank

hollow mesa
night delta
#

fair enough, keep it off

hollow mesa
#

fun attempt

latent kernel
# hollow mesa

Could take elusiveness so you could pop feint on autos

hollow mesa
#

i dont know if youre just supposed to get lucky and never get 2 high rolled auto attacks?

#

i mean, could help, 40% of the time. but 60% still up to RNG

#

prolly be quicker to level and gear a tank

stray fox
#

Anyone doing log reviews

humble verge
#

bruh my guildie

image.png
normal mist
#

Lucky guy

fleet pagoda
#

That's just druid privilege

#

They need a leg up since they're always so weak garf_sit

polar sail
humble verge
#

i guess he got lucky and it bugged

onyx pike
#

is assasination dead? or why are there no changes in the faq section

tranquil birch
#

is my healer valeera just busted or are yalls also doing like 65k dps overall in delves

normal mist
onyx pike
#

which website?

normal mist
#

!guides

prisma monolithBOT
onyx pike
#

ty

latent kernel
#

How much of an increase is our 4 set from having the 2 sets already? Seems like the 2 sets is most of the dmg

normal mist
normal mist
latent kernel
balmy condor
normal mist
balmy condor
latent kernel
balmy condor
#

3% from 2/4

latent kernel
#

Ty

runic hinge
#

10/10

analog swan
#

when will they add more trinkets so i can stop using the box?

#

im fairly new so idk how addition of trinkets happen. from what i see its when they add next raid bosses since mythic+ gona be mythic0 right?

#

i like the box in raid, it feels awkward asf against small packs on easier content cuz its never a good time to do it lol

junior axle
#

is there a way to put show how much time is left on a dot under the target frame?

normal mist
analog swan
#

oh thats great news

near aspen
#

so in no case we couldnt bring sudden dimise to pad smallies in raid? lose too much from the tree?

normal mist
#

Afaik yes

#

Too much of a loss

near aspen
#

gotcha, was just curious

analog swan
#

have u guys thought what u using voidforge 2 stacks a week reroll for? tiersets on raid or mythic gear on +10?

normal mist
#

I don't play BUT I'd use them in m+ 24/7

#

Guaranteed mythic drops

analog swan
#

aight

analog swan
# near aspen so in no case we couldnt bring sudden dimise to pad smallies in raid? lose too m...

improved garrote total damage: 65,126
rupture total damage: 80,586
internal bleeding: 10,840
total: 156,552

remaining bleed damage exceeds 150% of current health (-50% of damage values)

156,552/1.5=104,364

if u applied damage at start of ticks for total to execute, boss (or anything else) would need to have 104,364 health
now since most mobs got 4M health. you execute them at 2,6% health
if u put all fresh on them with improved garrote that is

#

unless whispyr comes around and makes me realize im seeing it wrong, i think sudden demise aint that great of a deal

#

even tho i would like it to be

near aspen
#

hmm

#

ya the juice might not be worth the squeeze

analog swan
#

oh also

near aspen
#

would be nice tho

analog swan
#

sudden demise aint that sudden

#

it applies damage over time

near aspen
#

wut

analog swan
#

even on that shiet low hp activation

#

it ticks down with alot of damage but its not BAAAAM!

near aspen
#

it just looks good in m0s then

#

baiting me

analog swan
#

i might be missing something dude

#

i hope i am and it turns out to be good cuz i love bleed and executes

#

aint tagging whispyr cuz its late and dude gotta get to 100000000 hours on maplestory, better leave him be

near aspen
#

no we need him now

#

more than ever

thorn thorn
#

@balmy condor How useless is SD

near aspen
#

my hero^

thorn thorn
#

Its fine he will send a package to my house a week from today that is only meant for me

#

My assumption though is that its less that SD is bad and more just that the points in that gate are just stretched insanely thin

near aspen
#

also

#

how are yall simming these bosses

#

obv besides paladins

analog swan
#

when u guys were doing mythic+ >15 last season were you using crimson tempest till every single mob of the pull had bleed before using fok? or just like 2 crimson tempests into fok>envenom>fok>envenom...

thorn thorn
#

!buffs

prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
near aspen
#

hm so just giga pad in m0s ya?

#

ik u said it already but was jw

balmy condor
balmy condor
near aspen
#

kk ty!

thorn thorn
#

bleeds do good dam

#

But technically this version of CT wasnt a thing last season and was only for the prepatch 🤓

analog swan
#

yes

#

i just saw variances of ppl with goal towards max agility from scent of blood and then spam envenom to use caustic spatter while others would spam the living fuck of crimson tempest burning all resources to put bleed on everything

#

we will see now, gona be fun

plucky ember
#

schweeet, got my dagger from the 2nd boss

thorn thorn
#

Im pretty sure the best thing currently is to just ct until everything has bleeds in aoe logs

royal lantern
thorn thorn
#

if stuff is properly tuned

garf

royal lantern
#

like, spending time spreading bleeds on enemys that die in the next 5 seconds anyway is kinda wasted

analog swan
#

thats why i said mythic+ >15

#

takes some time there atleast

#

took*

royal lantern
#

even there tbh

#

like, if its a pull where 1 big guys needs to go down ASAP, you kinda want to get down to bursting it with your cds quickly instead of spreading bigtime around

#

ofc general rules exists, but just gotta keep in mind that sometimes you gotta adapt tbh

analog swan
#

ye thats adding alot of colors when i was painting it gray but thats the answer, if theres a caster its prob 2 CT into fok spam whilst if its just 20 gray mobs its CT spam

#

🤝

#

last question for today, are we really going for crit+haste gear instead of crit+mastery now? i know about simming but outside of it, haste outgrew mastery for us?

#

atleast i just looked by chance at wowhead and saw this:

royal lantern
#

well, assa is a spec where stats are extremely close since basically always

#

but Midnight put in some talents that make haste overall a bit better

#

like the "SnD attack speed increased even more based on haste" thing

analog swan
#

i imagine its all because of auto attacking fast to use secondary poisoning

exotic hazel
#

So these stats are about right?

image.png
analog swan
#

OH TRUE

#

i didnt even remember that

royal lantern
#

in general they tried to push rogue a bit into the direction where haste is a good stat, because before Midnight, haste was literally a Dead stat for Outlaw and Sub, which was really akward at points

thorn thorn
near aspen
#

outlaw sims 10k higher wtf

analog swan
#

i saw on classic streamers but u guys use any UI to show auto attack intervals? even when i get alot of attackspeed i dont think i autoattack at all with my fok>envenom spam

royal lantern
#

so they made multiple talents that interact with haste for those + a haste based talent in the class tree, to make it more valuable for outlaw and sub, and for assa haste just got a bit better because assa just likes all stats anyway

royal lantern
#

they dont stop during abilitys

analog swan
#

oh fk

golden loom
#

only spec that realistically would track swing timer in retail is ret

royal lantern
#

the animation doesnt play, but you stull do auto attacks

analog swan
#

i just stop earing the smacking sound but ur right, i forgot that

#

on the delve boss this season i learned it the hard way by how he attacked me while casting

#

weird shiet let me tell ya

#

nullingus or what was his name

royal lantern
#

you only stop auto attacking when you cast/channel something

#

puzzle box as an example

analog swan
#

🧑‍⚖️

#

case closed

bleak star
#

is only going 1/4 in apex a thing? seems alot of top logs are doing so?

analog swan
#

@royal lanternwhere do you have ur fok, CT and envenom on keyboard?

coral ibex
#

show logs where thats the case?

bleak star
#

im just looking at the front page of top assas rogues and its shows just 1 in the apex on the drop down bar

royal lantern
analog swan
#

damn shift+R for a spam

#

you cant move

#

damn

royal lantern
#

...huh?

analog swan
#

while u got 2 fingers to use that u dont got ur hand on wasd

jaunty sky
#

you got 2 fingers free to move with

analog field
#

yeah r is my aoe too

royal lantern
#

idk man, im not holding down W with my pointy finger dracthyr_kek

analog field
#

makes so much sense

thorn thorn
#

R is my button

analog swan
#

i found a cool addon to show 1 sec

jaunty sky
#

???

#

just put a finger on e or d

coral ibex
royal lantern
#

but like, i just always do that stuff

F is always interupt on everything

Q is always stuns

my 2 mouse buttons is always mobility skills

just helps cus it gives muscle memory for basically everything when i just know "yeha pressing R is AoE and F is Interupting stuff" even if i dont really play the class/spec often

thorn thorn
#

Better than that person that hotkeyed deadly poison

jaunty sky
#

twice

thorn thorn
#

@humble verge Show keybinds

analog swan
royal lantern
#

im using F1 F2 F3 and F4 for CDs ez

#

big hands moment

golden loom
thorn thorn
#

Sprint on Z uglyassdog

analog swan
#

wait why is Z on place of Y

#

american keyboard i guess

humble verge
thorn thorn
#

I can assure you no american keyboard is swapping Z and Y

analog swan
#

my keyboard got Y on Z

humble verge
#

you know i wont play assa

golden loom
humble verge
thorn thorn
#

oops all macros

analog swan
#

ah i dont wana get into macros lol

#

its a maze in there only i know the way out

thorn thorn
golden loom
#

let him be..

thorn thorn
#

lowkenuinely

#

who putting their cd on Q

royal lantern
jaunty sky
#

but i should actually make a poison cancel macro for refreshing

golden loom
analog swan
#

also got Shift+w for poisoned knife, pretty nice

royal lantern
# golden loom

nah like

the "poisons" ability, that when you click it opens a dropdown window with all of them

coral ibex
royal lantern
#

ye

#

that one

golden loom
#

problem with that one is u gotta click

analog swan
royal lantern
golden loom
#

having the poisons out just gives me something to press between pulls garf

analog swan
#

put the Z on right place, fk that keyboard

royal lantern
#

its next to the augment runes

#

so like

#

im clicking it anyway

analog swan
coral ibex
#

4 buttons instead of 1

analog swan
#

if u open it how many buttons u got?

#

🤡

golden loom
#

I hate clicking a button to click another button!

analog swan
#

how many times u gotta open that button?

thorn thorn
#

I have the menu button on my hot bar and i click the poisons every hour

#

Because its 2026 and poisons still have a duration

coral ibex
#

i dont need to spend actual bind space on poisons i apply once an hour

jaunty sky
#

yeah no toggle like pala auras

#

tech isnt there yet

golden loom
#

thats why I have them on useless buttons like F1-F4

analog swan
#

hey, on rpg games poison coatings last 1 round

#

be happy

#

imagine having to apply it

#

every pull

coral ibex
#

i'm never applying poisons in a situation where i need them keybound

royal lantern
earnest remnant
#

ive had them run out mid pull way to many times to not have them bound xD

storm forum
coral ibex
#

i have 10 minute reminders that show up in the middle of my screen

near aspen
#

can someone link a macro for puzzlebox n deathmark

earnest remnant
#

so did i

analog swan
#

a good thing of having the 4 on a hotbar seprately is that if u change atrophic poison to numbing poison it swaps on hotbar too, good to know what im using sometimes

near aspen
#

or do i need to use seperate

earnest remnant
#

it never stopped me from not paying attention

#

as i alt tab 24/7 between pulls on prog

royal lantern
jaunty sky
analog swan
#

it only pings u when ur missing them

#

every 10min seems too much lol

coral ibex
#

i didnt say every 10 mins

golden loom
#

Thats why I spam apply them between every pull

coral ibex
#

i said a 10 minute reminder

#

when theres 10 mins or less i see a huge icon

golden loom
#

To never run out garf

analog swan
#

oh that addon ye

#

raise ur hand if u reaply your poisons when they are at 50minutes before a boss pull on raid just to be sure

#

can never be trust it, gotta make sure its applied

earnest remnant
#

they need to remove poisons from sub ong

#

so i dont have to pay attention to it

analog swan
#

they need to make poison last the whole session

#

i wouldnt be mad if i had to apply everytime i died if it lasted the whole time i was alive, would make more sense

golden loom
#

They need to bring back crafting poisons and them having limited charges

analog swan
#

ew

thorn thorn
#

on that topic bring back having to craft vanish powder

humble verge
#

this hunter cant do damage

#

to ??

thorn thorn
#

gamergirl

analog swan
#

make a achievement of being top 10 dps on raid with no poisons

humble verge
#

has to be a women as well

thorn thorn
#

whoa

#

uber sexist

#

???

humble verge
#

wdym

#

im just saying

#

since its gamergirl

thorn thorn
humble verge
#

??

#

hello

#

im being a realist here

analog swan
normal mist
#

GamerGuyInRealLife

humble verge
normal mist
#

Smh

thorn thorn
#

gamergirlt something

#

cant read the rest of the name

humble verge
#

Gamergirltoi

#

was the name

thorn thorn
strange wolf
#

Odd question. Do we have a youtuber for rogues. Kinda like how locks have kalamazi.

thorn thorn
#

Whispyr

strange wolf
#

Thanks

near aspen
#

flame me.. what poison we use? amp/crip/instant/atro?

storm forum
#

amp & deadly & atro & crip

near aspen
#

amp takes my deadly off

storm forum
#

oh you dont have dtb

#

just amp & atro then

near aspen
#

just those 2?

#

nvm

#

i see

#

t

#

ty

humble verge
storm forum
#

the dtb talent lets you have 2 dmg poisons and 2 utility poisons, if you dont have it you can only have 1 of each

humble verge
storm forum
#

and the ones that are talents (amp and atro) are generally better than the baseline ones

near aspen
#

appreciate u, i changed builds clearing trash wasnt running dtb

tulip fern
#

!buffs

prisma monolithBOT
hazy sundial
#

Envenom on T is insane

sweet ledge
#

what are the cases we want to let env fall off to proc implacable or whatevr its called

storm forum
#

when implacable is at 80 stacks and you wont overcap energy while waiting

sweet ledge
storm forum
#

implacable just stacks whenever you cast envenom

#

i feel like im misunderstanding you though

sweet ledge
#

sometimes i see the buff but it just counts down and doesnt stack then other times it stacks

storm forum
#

oh that's a bug with the CD manager

#

if you look at ur buff bar it's consistent

#

unless you get parried or something? I actually havent gotten an env parried yet so idk how it works with that

#

i think it's cause the stacks you build when you cast env and the buff you get when env falls off and gives you bonus energy regen are coded as the same icon or something

#

on ur buff bar it will show as 2 seperate buffs, one without numbers for the energy regen, and one with numbers to represent the stacks.

sweet ledge
#

ahhh ok that makes sense ty sir

#

1 more question.. m+ aoe scenario... we reapply a garrote or rupture in pandemic window... do we then spam tempest again till all are spread then back to FOK and env ?

storm forum
#

yeah, if a pack lives long enough or ur chain pulling or something, it's generally worth to reapply DoTs with ct if they'll live more than like 5 seconds or something

sweet ledge
#

sweet perfect

#

so tempest isnt a great builder if things are about to die just build with fok and spam env till dead

storm forum
#

tempest is a good button, it just costs so much energy

severe meadow
thorn thorn
#

nah

severe meadow
thorn thorn
#

Only whispyr gets the skirt sorry

severe meadow
thorn thorn
#

I see more than ear there

pale ridge
#

any point in having crimson tempest in my cooldown manager ? it's just 60 energy right ?

#

there's no proc or anything ?

bitter solar
#

Yeah no reason

pale ridge
#

thx

hot pasture
#

do u think this patch notes are the final notes?

storm forum
#

Iirc they said they're doing regular balancing for the next 3 weeks

royal lantern
tough gorge
#

what if CT did 25% of the dmg but also cost 25% of the current energy (so 15)? Smarter design for AoE?

royal lantern
#

nerfing dmg by 25% and reducing resource costs of an ability that is supposed to have its value on its effect by over 75% is not really a tradeoff mate

tough gorge
#

But... think about what is the purpose of CT. It's to spread bleeds, currently some people have noted that at super high target counts its oddly more beneficial to CT than FoK, that doesn't seem intended design.

#

So instead lean into its purpose, make it low energy cost to spread bleeds upfront quickly, but don't make its actual damage super high

royal lantern
#

yeha, cus the dmg is overtuned on it

#

thats all lol

tough gorge
#

Right, so lower it, but also lower the energy to make bleed spreading on high counts more efficient

#

Is this not logical?

halcyon saddle
#

How many large pulls will you have where ct is the play over fok?

royal lantern
#

why the fuck do you need to reduce resource costs when you would rebalance the dmg lol

#

like, do you also think that if they would reduce frost dks froststrike dmg, they would need to reduce its RP costs aswell?

tough gorge
halcyon saddle
#

You are fixing a minor issue. If anything bring back rupture sniping and venomous wounds energy regen to tww levels.

storm forum
#

This is ragebait right?

royal lantern
spice surge
tough gorge
#

But this is a logical tweak if not considering that

spice surge
#

I would rather it be less efficient because that allows the bleeds to be tuned to do more damage

royal lantern
thorn thorn
royal lantern
coral ibex
tough gorge
#

If not 15 energy, perhaps there is a better trade off like 30 energy, but maybe not,, maybe bleed spreading is too strong

rancid anvil
#

So I assume there is no way to track implacable only at certain stacks and not during the energy Regen in tmw?

severe meadow
#

I mean even with the current way it plays it doesn’t take that long to get bleeds spread

severe meadow
storm forum
royal lantern
thorn thorn
waxen oyster
#

its like when people unironically say they play vigor as sub

royal lantern
#

like, a big thing that is often forgoten is just

if you make spreading dots TOO fast, the dots will do lower dmg cus you can lets dots do a billion dmg when they get spread with a single button press, and instead dots will just turn into something that enable other things again and most of the aoe dmg comes from other things (like Spatter Cleave on assa)

waxen oyster
#

when all that does is....make you press backstab more

#

then you check how much backstab does

#

uhhhh

royal lantern
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if he makes me play vigor trought that, vigor it is

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fuu is smarter then me

waxen oyster
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same

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i still havent read half the talents

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in the wowhead import

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we let the tcs do the actual hard work

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of mathing out what does more