assassination

[sacred oyster]

all 0's

its RRGGBB so 6 0's is all black

well RRGGBBAA the last 2 is transparency

[humble verge]

okok

wait

hmm

[warm vortex]

I didn't read anythign above so i though RRGGBBAA was just like

a yelling sound

[sacred oyster]

its ok to yell at people who obsess over rgb lights on pc builds

[solar wyvern]

someting wong

no feel good

[warm vortex]

The text matches the pfp now tho

[warm vortex]

We to low

[solar wyvern]

ho lee fuk

bang ding ow

[warm vortex]

Bang ding ow

Grr you beat me to it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dCXET4Cl3M

Reminds me of this

In terms of how stupid it is

[balmy condor]

RUPTURE NUMBA TWO BLEED BUILD BACK

CHARREND HERALD OF DEMISE

[solar wyvern]

AVULSION GAMING

[balmy condor]

SUDDEN RUPTURE

INCREASE TICK

[solar wyvern]

35% HASTE SD AVULSION RAAAAAAAAAAA

[balmy condor]

INFINITE ENERGY

APEX WHO

[solar wyvern]

NEGATIVE DAMAGE

[calm grail]

So with debuff tracking on enemy nameplates, how are you guys tracking deadly poison with only essentials showing (Rupture/Garrote?) Or do you not bother? Currently my UI is only showing those two bleeds.

Just send a FoK occasionally during m+ and assume you're good

[balmy condor]

Tracking poisons is pointless, so that’s what you want

[calm grail]

?*

[balmy condor]

well you fok on 2

[solar wyvern]

u dont bother tracking deadly and tracking amp is very very very very very minmaxy in aoe as fatebound

[balmy condor]

So you’re gonna fok literally always

[warm vortex]

Can't believe my favourite feral content creator would swear

[calm grail]

Ah okay. I was doing some reading and I saw some people spamming CT so I was wondering how they were spreading.

[solar wyvern]

ho lee fok

[calm grail]

But that makes sense. Maybe they were just getting bleeds out.

[balmy condor]

Well that’s the same thing

Fok, ct

[warm vortex]

what did ct do

why are we foking it

[calm grail]

Does CT also spread poisons?

[balmy condor]

CT’s nuts in your mouth

[solar wyvern]

HOLY

[balmy condor]

Of course

It hits everything

It is literally fok

[calm grail]

Oh I thought that CT specifically didn't spread poisons, just bleeds.

Cool!

[balmy condor]

Take fok

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/mc-cum-cum-sebserver-pog-cumhose-gif-18980293

[balmy condor]

Double the energy cost

Make it spread 2 bleeds

And do a bit more damage

You now have CT

[calm grail]

Mannn why the tooltip for FoK gotta mention poisons then

And CT doesn't

That's why I was confused.

[warm vortex]

assassination rogue

[solar wyvern]

whispyr dumb question

but does murder row fishhook count as one of our bleeds for lethal dose

[balmy condor]

No

[solar wyvern]

and also how come i had it on the entire key and it didnt do any damage once

[balmy condor]

It’s whitelisted to rogue stuff

[solar wyvern]

weirdge?

figured but yknow

[balmy condor]

It’s on use

[solar wyvern]

gotta ask

[balmy condor]

I think

Did you use it

[solar wyvern]

passive

[balmy condor]

Oh the weapon embel

I think that’s just bugged to shit

[solar wyvern]

xddd

does a lot of dam on outlaw and sub!

[balmy condor]

I thought you meant the trinket

What’s that one

Where you throw the hook

[solar wyvern]

ye that trinket idk its name

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t matter, neither works

[solar wyvern]

W

Ready for february!

[vivid elm]

is double hook gonna be the move?

that shit does insane damage on sub

[solar wyvern]

Idk loa ring is very strong

[bronze pike]

you embolden mafic

what have you done

[solar wyvern]

If i were to choose between 1 point of zoldyck and apex 4 what would i choose asking for a friend...

[amber yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/bleh-gif-2484976909584170518

[balmy condor]

I don’t like this question

I

Uh

[haughty flicker]

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/rubbing-belly-big-fat-belly-clean-my-belly-gif-10774914595537299162

[balmy condor]

Zoldyck is probably better

[coral ibex]

whispyr after he eats you for asking this question

[balmy condor]

But it’s frankly pretty close

[humble verge]

rub ma belly

[idle radish]

Whispyr I forgot what I added last night. But a few things were added

Adjusting width to essential cooldowns was nearly working

Shrinking wasn’t working

[humble verge]

@balmy condor how are you this fine evening, day, morning, afternoon, dinnertime, night, sunrise, sunset, midday

[solar wyvern]

whynot

(this build is shit its shit its awful and shit)

witness the horror!!!

[haughty flicker]

Now drop kb

[solar wyvern]

but thats how i get to zoldyck

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126

[thorn thorn]

Buff KB by like

90%

[balmy condor]

Holy

[spiral mist]

is it just me
or do i have 0 energy in aoe 🙁

[balmy condor]

Awful actually, I can’t breath out of my left nostril, my right nostril is a fountain back into my throat

I feel the pressure behind my eyes

It’s shit

[thorn thorn]

Hope you feel better soon

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

You definitely don’t, but it is more similar to single target

[balmy condor]

I am trying

[spiral mist]

well yeah its alot more like st 🙁

[balmy condor]

That’s intended yes

[thorn thorn]

Take some mucinex and sleep for 24 hours

[proven cliff]

Archon build the best build right now for M+ / Raid?

[haughty flicker]

no i like voidweaver better

archons kinda behind

[balmy condor]

It’s definitely the most popular since they just scrape Warcraftlogs and spit the info back

Given not one soul is optimizing prepatch

Probably just identical to guide builds

[runic hinge]

i got a fountain for the back of your throat

[haughty flicker]

what the hell

[balmy condor]

I will huck up a green booger ball to match the other two raisins you got glued to your thighs

[cursive flicker]

is sin tuning super low or am i crazy

like should i be scared

[runic hinge]

[haughty flicker]

yes, but not because of prepatch tuning

more just the general state of the world

[balmy condor]

Prepatch is not a patch with tuning

Forget it exists

[thorn thorn]

[coral ibex]

HUH

[balmy condor]

I didn’t stutter

[thorn thorn]

[fallow canopy]

[coral ibex]

i have listened to paranoid schizophrenics who make more sense

[thorn thorn]

Nah

Bro is literally shakespeare

Let him cook

[balmy condor]

Let me explain myself

[thorn thorn]

oh no

[balmy condor]

So what I’m saying is because I’m sick, I have an excess of mucus, which is green in color right

[haughty flicker]

prove it

[thorn thorn]

Dont actually

[coral ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1372158613312897036/1376317636249518170/speechmeme.com_25_05_2025_23_54_45.gif

[balmy condor]

That can be turned into a “booger ball”, which is exactly what it sounds like

[haughty flicker]

i bet it looks liek caustic spatter

[blazing totem]

pics or didnt happen

[balmy condor]

And I’m proposing in this situation

That I will mold and shape it

Craft it into a specimen

Virtually identical in appearance

To the “other two raising glued to your thighs”

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/schitts-creek-talking-eww-disgust-gif-15501701

[balmy condor]

So now

what does that mean

[coral ibex]

https://klipy.com/gifs/blades-of-glory-will-ferrell

[balmy condor]

In order to understand that, you have to know the context that Tony has a medically small nutsack

[coral ibex]

MEDICALLY SMALL

[balmy condor]

With tiny, shriveled little balls

But the loose skin hanging from his jaundiced and diseased shaft

Is so loose

[runic hinge]

perfectly average some would say

[balmy condor]

That when his fatass sweats

Those little tiny, nonfunctional gonads

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/what-jontron-gif-9320173

[runic hinge]

okay we both know im not a fatass

[coral ibex]

bro im eating pizza

[balmy condor]

Will stick to the inside of his thighs

[fallow canopy]

what in tarnation

[coral ibex]

why are you conjuring images of jaundiced shafts in my mind palace

[balmy condor]

My proposition is that my mucus ball will slot in perfectly next to those two balls

As a third brother

[coral ibex]

is there a term for triballers

[balmy condor]

Might even make his travesty look more normal even

[coral ibex]

like we call guys with big wieners tripods

[sacred oyster]

is this beta stuff?

[runic hinge]

yes

[balmy condor]

Yes those are apex talents

You get them while leveling

[coral ibex]

wait they made apex talents not just 3 random talent nodes on the side

holy moly

[balmy condor]

It’s pretty cool yeah

Also broke sims when they did that

Cause the back end is still 3 random talent nodes

But they’re now in one talent mode

Like a Russian nesting doll of talents

It’s a mess

[lean plover]

wtf am i reading

[balmy condor]

Nooj didn’t understand my vision

So I had to elaborate for him

[lean plover]

so nooj is to blame for this

noted

[thorn thorn]

Im sending nook my invoice for therapy

[runic hinge]

yeah nooj, how dare you

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/belka-dancing-belka-in-suit-gif-10044938331287705749

[runic hinge]

Is this ai

[haughty flicker]

no

im the squirrel

[runic hinge]

Believable

[thorn thorn]

No its a gif

[rapid patio]

hello, im thinking returning for the new exp. always played assa. will it be good? if not i can swap to outlaw but i prefer bleeds ...

[royal lantern]

for the 200000th time

how are people supposed to know the blizzard balance dartboard in 2months lol

and how many people that ask those questions play on a level where spec choice makes a sliver of a difference in the first place

[mint urchin]

Just know these things, simple. Use your dev connections

[royal lantern]

ok, my dev connenctions say

1 mage spec will be OP

and a DK spec

[mint urchin]

Yup checks out

Pin it

[royal lantern]

Devourer will be tuned dumb high in raids and mid in m+

the end

and rogue will be "play sub" for the first 2months of the raid, then they buff assa and people start playing assa again, and #subtlety complains that assa is always the raid spec

outlaw exists

[lofty nymph]

XD

[severe meadow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1224408501896478770/1436451885614891058/1b9e70d7-6126-49e9-97cb-daf7592f6e80_glorp_bongo_emote.gif

[severe meadow]

Pookie

Entertain me during my 3 hour drive

[thorn thorn]

I can rage for 3 hours about my world quest not being fixed

Is about the best I can offer

[severe meadow]

Is it still broke

That’s crazy

[thorn thorn]

Yes

But dont worry

Random quest from Mechagon was fixed earlier this week

[severe meadow]

Game saved

I was hoping for a decent event / announcements but blizzard likes to crush my balls into dust

[thorn thorn]

No such luck

Twice a week they crush my balls to dust by not fixing my fucking world quest

[severe meadow]

I’ll make a phone call and get it fixed

[thorn thorn]

I believe

[severe meadow]

First..

[thorn thorn]

Also with midnight approaching

[severe meadow]

https://klipy.com/gifs/cat-cat-meme-29

[thorn thorn]

This meme will be relevant

[severe meadow]

Bring back rogue using an int main hand for aoe NOW

[main vessel]

@safe frigate bully this person

[thorn thorn]

Nani

Topple is here

[balmy condor]

topple is everywhere

[main vessel]

I’m part of the Shadow Cabal, we have tendrils everywhere

[thorn thorn]

ic ic

Daylea likely already got her fill earlier from wyrmrest

[balmy condor]

daylea got her what

[thorn thorn]

Fill of bully me

[balmy condor]

I'm scared

[thorn thorn]

Lets not get crazy now

[lean plover]

thanks for the clarification

[thorn thorn]

Apparently it was necessary

[lean plover]

well yeah

there was no other way to read into it

[thorn thorn]

My hands think before my brain does so my words come out terribly

I blame topple

[severe meadow]

Bro got nervous

He can’t hurt you

[lean plover]

he can fill me up apparently

[thorn thorn]

I said dont get too crazy

Plus I have standards

I would not be picking some random person from Ravenholdt

Especially a blue name

[lean plover]

wow name color elitism

i would do the same

[haughty flicker]

this is why salmon names are best

we've transcended the internal spec conflicts that plague this server

[thorn thorn]

There is only assassination

[lean plover]

idk even know what the color mean

just that red has to be assa

i hope

[thorn thorn]

Salmon is just member

Bel plays whatever is most convenient

[fallow canopy]

He's a side hopper

[thorn thorn]

@severe meadow

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-15677826050545973054

[safe frigate]

INTO THE JAR

[haughty flicker]

oh no

[safe frigate]

@main vessel got you king.

[thorn thorn]

nooooooo

Topple cant keep getting away with this

get botted

[safe frigate]

:(

[thorn thorn]

Thats karma

[safe frigate]

Her fill(but imagine it really big before moroes told me no)

[thorn thorn]

fill of bully me to be clear

[thorn thorn]

Also if Wyrmrest makes this a sticker I have no choice but to be not upset about it

[main vessel]

ty queen

[keen spruce]

that's a gud glorp

[balmy condor]

@jolly stirrup

[jolly stirrup]

[marble hemlock]

why did that make me ugly laugh?

[jolly stirrup]

I dont know

It also got a chuckle out of me

Its too early

[static glacier]

Something about the gaze of that cow is decidedly German

[half igloo]

I don't actually have to track anything for fatebound do I?

cos the default options... well

[royal lantern]

not really

can track the coins and feel good or bad about your streaks i gues

but like, you cant influence the results anyway

[half igloo]

I mean I didn't track anything all of this xpac

cos there wasn't much point in it?

so I guess I can untarck them now as well

[balmy condor]

you can untrack everything yes

[half igloo]

I'm tweaking over the fact cheat death isn't considered a utility cd by the cdm

also I can't desaturate missing bleeds

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-the-office-mood-me-face-gif-7842240

also when I'm in assa spec my screen freezes for a second every idk 10ish secs???? even tho 100+ fps

[balmy condor]

I mean do you really need to track cheat death? and the desaturate is just.... the fact that there's no timer idk

[royal lantern]

how often do you trigger CD more then once

and what are you even doing different when its ready? trying to trigger it?

[half igloo]

nah I don't rly need to track it but it's just... it shows how fkn lost they are with what's what

[balmy condor]

there's plenty of things to point at that shows they're lost way more than not being able to track pointless things

like even just in the CDM you could complain about the lack of apex talent tracking

[half igloo]

it's genuinely so cooked

[balmy condor]

works well enough imo

[jolly stirrup]

If you really want to track it, Grab your debuff bar and move it closer to the center and make it big

[balmy condor]

there's jank

and definitely needs improvements

but I'm not miffed about it ya know

[tropic zodiac]

Am I stupid or what, where is Vanish ?

[royal lantern]

seems like it

vanished

[tropic zodiac]

I'm going to jump off the roof

[tropic zodiac]

Update, it is in the Outlaw CDM but not my Assa's ??

[royal lantern]

seems like a ussual case of "we improve the ingame UI options"

[tropic zodiac]

Well, I had to recreate a brand new profile and redo everything; Vanshi reappeared

[humble verge]

why is my cdm cooked on elvui

[balmy condor]

elvui

[humble verge]

: (

i mean my assa is fine, its just my sub thats bwoken

[orchid pewter]

i laugh at you sad addon users

[humble verge]

theres nothing to be sad about

[orchid pewter]

i tried setting shit up with new addons, but they were all so jank

[humble verge]

i just like to make more trouble for myself

[orchid pewter]

so i deleted them all

[orchid pewter]

i enjoyed doing that with wa's

[humble verge]

i used a private WA

[orchid pewter]

but there is nothing fun about it for me when i just click through settings and tick boxes

[orchid pewter]

yea that was the fun part

[humble verge]

well mostly it was a private WA cause i got it from someone who made their own based off luxthos i believe

cause i thought it looked nice and they were kind enough to send me it

[orchid pewter]

i see, i built all my own shit

great times

but i am fine with base cdm now

[humble verge]

had to do some fixing on the wa myself tho

ok so now it decided to fix itself

after spec swapping to and back

[orchid pewter]

gg

[humble verge]

im just using the standard one from the wowhead article

[runic hinge]

why is your evasion so cramped

[humble verge]

i dont actually know why

wait a sec

nah i cant seem to find why i cant fix it lol

[peak frigate]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Assassination UI Imports:
Currently not available. Sharing UI's is not as standarized as it was with Weakauras.

For now, browse the following Blizzard HUD and Blizzard CDM imports on Wago:

• Blizzard HUD
• Blizzard CDM

[rotund oak]

hacker

[humble verge]

also im 25 today

[subtle tundra]

unc

[humble verge]

says the 35 year old

[rotund oak]

u kids need some milk with cookies?

[humble verge]

oh yeah forgot youre like

lost generation sap

[rotund oak]

[rotund oak]

https://tenor.com/view/chocolate-cake-cake-dessert-gif-9293009155348604348

[royal lantern]

yeha, i would like some?

free cookies is awesome

[marsh fjord]

Happy birthday old man

[rotund oak]

[humble verge]

zanku

[jolly stirrup]

Happy Birthday bud

[midnight atlas]

what do we drop for spatter in raid?

[midnight atlas]

lol i just hit 5x target dummies for 5 mins with a sword in MH.

guess you don't need daggers for m+

[wise loom]

idk if its bc i been on sub for so long but my assa dps is so bad compared to subs

[amber maple]

What is going on with pvp?

Healers are able to tank like 4+ people at once all ganging up on them and just never die

Specifically disc priests and mistweaver monks

Even with 5 stacks on wounding poison

Is Assassination just fucking trash? jfc

[thorn thorn]

No homo but I could legit give you tongue rn

[lean plover]

Only because hes not a blue name😔

[runic hinge]

try #pvp this channel is mostly about pve

[thorn thorn]

Also because jay gave me the hookup

[lean plover]

lies

[thorn thorn]

Is it actually your birthday

[humble verge]

yes!!!!!!!!!!!

i was born 31.01.2001 or 01.31.2001 for u

literally this guy had bday some days earlier than me w0jejawjdaw

[thorn thorn]

Congrats on being born

[humble verge]

coolio ty

[subtle tundra]

eww 2001 baby

loser

[humble verge]

has wan/ker on his profile

[subtle tundra]

mad that im cool

[gusty prawn]

is there a good way to tell me hey stupid you dont have poisons on ?

[pure moth]

on curse forge if you type in poison, they do have some poison reminders

[jolly stirrup]

Thats me everyday omw home

[humble verge]

doing brawlers guild

didnt know it was perma

and jesus how shit falls as sub

[fallow canopy]

Sb scaling is wonky af and everything gets nuked

[severe meadow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1205267724696031273/1407563922780717130/sideyeing.gif

[haughty flicker]

this is true but they also definitely fucked up brawlers guild hp with the squish

like i just killed a challenge card boss in 8 seconds

[blissful monolith]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Assassination UI Imports:
Currently not available. Sharing UI's is not as standarized as it was with Weakauras.

For now, browse the following Blizzard HUD and Blizzard CDM imports on Wago:

• Blizzard HUD
• Blizzard CDM

[haughty flicker]

rip johnny awesome

[thorn thorn]

https://imgur.com/a/9T6RH0i

[sweet zealot]

!bugs

ok that doesnt work

does anyone experience a bug where u go out of stealth after approx 3s

but ur not doing anything?

[thorn thorn]

Are you using the nightfall daggers

[haughty flicker]

[shy heron]

he doesn't know

$5 says you have this equipped @sweet zealot

[sharp viper]

So much intellect

[shy heron]

very intellect. much stealth breaks. wow

[buoyant herald]

did they ever fix the delve belt doing that too

[haughty flicker]

i think they just nerfed the power that did it so nobody was using it anyway

[sweet zealot]

it was for a friend, but yea that was what caused it

[runic hinge]

Damn

[shy heron]

called it

it's like 99% of the reason people come to this discord and ask why stealth keeps breaking after they've spent an hour trying to figure it out

[buoyant herald]

put it back in the pins

[blissful elk]

Are you using the blizz nameplates or new plater profiles?

[buoyant herald]

platynator

[balmy condor]

Blizz or platynator

[buoyant herald]

jundies profile

[balmy condor]

Plater is honestly horrid

[buoyant herald]

with some tweaks because it's actually easy to tweak

[frank trench]

is tracking coins even worth while?

like im nevergoing to wait for specific coins flips right?

[royal lantern]

there is nothing to track

[buoyant herald]

nope

[royal lantern]

unless you wanna see high or roll lows on streaks

[buoyant herald]

imo you should hide all buffs that don't affect decision making

[royal lantern]

but if im not tracking coinflips, how can i make screenshots of a 28 streak and send it into #assassination while saying "ofc it was a wipe"

[blissful elk]

for the longest time i jused cevs plater profile and was happy with it 😄

[royal lantern]

[buoyant herald]

well you need to decide whats important for you

clear concise information to help you play better

i.e. LAME

or clout

and we all know wow class discord clout is the finest clout of all

[slim copper]

For the first time, its going to be really hard for me to choose which spec i wanna play. All of them feel decent, at worst

[vestal wren]

i use nameplatekai, because it has a option to unhook/unload some of the blizz nameplate stuff which makes my game playable ^^

[frank trench]

gumby fiogure it out because it takes like 20 hours to get your ui down lol

every time i log into a new char i just begin to sob uncontrollably

[stiff fern]

Luxthos good and free

[buoyant herald]

its not nearly as bad if you're mindful when you set up the first one

then it just becomes a matter of tweaking CDM and buffs

per spec

[frank trench]

this took me forever

i need to move kick and kidney down a smidge still working on it

finally

[haughty flicker]

what the fuck is this brother

[raven phoenix]

and the gap between evasion and feint too

[haughty flicker]

were these icons individually placed

instead of being in a group

[frank trench]

Can you make additional groups?

I thought you could only have the three

[frank trench]

Ty for pointing out 🙂

I fix

[haughty flicker]

idk which addons you use but better cooldown manager has a few extra groups

and arcui can just make groups itself

[buoyant herald]

BCDM and arc both have extra groups

at least

[frank trench]

Well fml

I go cry now

[haughty flicker]

worst case scenario can also just use bartender and just use bars themselves

remove border/enable clickthrough and its basically the same thing

[thorn thorn]

Bel why are you making people sad

[frank trench]

Omg that’s an amazing idea

No he should otherwise my ocd will see it and it will drive me nuts as I play if I don’t have things perfect I go nuts

It’s why this has taken me forever to move everything pixel by pixel

Also as you can see I’m not smart

I have both bcm and arc ui

[buoyant herald]

i feel like they'll clash at some point right

[haughty flicker]

i probably wouldnt use both

but you could probably disable basically everything for arcui and just use it to create extra groups i guess

[buoyant herald]

see this is my frustration right now

because then im like "how badly do i need an extra group that i've got an entire UI package for one small feature"

im currently just getting by on default CDM while i wait for a simple CDM upgrade that doesn't try do a bunch of other stuff too

[haughty flicker]

bcdm does basically everything i want well enough

so i just use that for cds and resource bars

most of the random addons i have are more a symptom of replacing elvui than replacing weakauras at this point

[buoyant herald]

does BCDM do cp colour threshholds?

[haughty flicker]

nah i dont think so

im playing spriest as my main though so i havent looked at rogue stuff

i just need bar to go up and down with insanity gain

[buoyant herald]

spriest looks nice but have never really played it

[haughty flicker]

its pretty similar to how it was in tww

and didnt suffer from defensive/utility pruning bc it had none anyway

so its pretty good spot atm

[mint urchin]

I'm so sad it's back to archon

I really wanted a void weaver era

[haughty flicker]

atm its still looking like voidweaver

even after the last nerfs

[mint urchin]

I thought I heard it moved back

It just feels major meh without VT

[haughty flicker]

they thought it was going to but after doing sims it was like within margin in st and vw winning in keys

[buoyant herald]

hmmm if BCDM replaces sensei's then perhaps we go down that route

[haughty flicker]

but i agree archon fucking sucks

it feels empty not having void torrent

[buoyant herald]

but then what do i do with my wangbar 😢

[haughty flicker]

wangbar always has a place in our hearts

just keep it downloaded so he can mine his crypto but have it offscreen

[mint urchin]

I use Wangbar for all my classes to ensure Wang gets his crypto

[wintry vapor]

Hey guys, quick question. The IcyVeins Assassination guide states that Fatebound suffers from an autohit-weakening bug. Is this still accurate?

[haughty flicker]

that has been fixed

[wintry vapor]

Thank you

[fathom flax]

is there a talent that makes me want to pool before having apex talent

[spice surge]

nop

just send

[fathom flax]

ty

sume-ma-send it

is there a way to make improved garrote appear in the base CDM?

[haughty flicker]

you can track the buff

[urban fern]

are we gonna be doing a lot of pooling energy in Midnight? I only ask because it's the one thing that makes me nervous about playing Assa but I REALLY want to play it

[balmy condor]

depends what a lot means to you

you essentially just envenom 5 times in a row and then stop

[urban fern]

I guess you answered my other question which was is it hard to track when to or no lol

[balmy condor]

it is hard because blizzard gave us no way to do so through the CDM

they probably add it, but they haven't yet

[urban fern]

Oof, I really wanna play Assa in Midnight I just don't wanna be terrible with the pooling stuff idk why it makes me feel so dumb. Not pushing buttons is weird I guess but I get it. It's between Assa and Outlaw just trying to figure out which one I wanna do. Assa is definitely first choice if I can do it. Sorry for thinking out loud lol appreciate the info

[wintry vapor]

I understand how you feel, I'm in a similar boat

[urban fern]

btw Wang if you see this the color changing combo points is the coolest thing ever thank you so much

[buoyant herald]

Thing is, it’s not even remotely new

It’s just no one plays rogue so it hadn’t been put into new addons until now 🥲

[void ibex]

Hey all - really struggling with the change to how debuffs can't be filtered after the patch

any addons or suggestions? I really jsut want to see bleeds, kingsbane, and deathmark on my nameplates. Having the poisons everywhere is just too much visual clutter

[hot blade]

dont use plater, problem solved

[haughty flicker]

real

[void ibex]

you can't fliter in platynator or default either

unless there is something i'm missing?

[haughty flicker]

plater is currently not using the blacklist blizzard made for whatever reason

platynator is, so you will only see the things you listed

[void ibex]

i got on their discord and they said there was no way to do that

am i missing something?

[haughty flicker]

you cant change them yourself

but blizzard did an ok job

the problem is plater isnt using what blizzard did

thats why you're seeing poisons and shit

[void ibex]

Ok so how do I filter the poisons out?

I'm not picking up what you are putting down

[haughty flicker]

by not using plater

there is nothing you can do to make plater work until plater updates themselves

[void ibex]

come on man - please be more specific

[haughty flicker]

i literally cant be more specific

[void ibex]

i dont' care what addon - just tell me how to filter

i have all of them

[haughty flicker]

if you turn off plater the things you dont want to see will stop being seen

blizzard already did the filtering

[void ibex]

that is absolutely not true

[hot blade]

lol

[haughty flicker]

ok

then suffer

[void ibex]

here is platynator

poisons showing - how do you turn it off?

[haughty flicker]

did you actually disable plater or did you slap platynator on top of it

[void ibex]

disabled

[haughty flicker]

because ive not seen anyone else report platynator not working

might just be special

[void ibex]

i went to their discord

they said in the discord you can't filter them out

that blizzard removed that functionality

[haughty flicker]

you can not filter them

[hot blade]

ok

i know what you did

[haughty flicker]

blizzard can

[void ibex]

do you know something they or i don't? I came here looking for help with a lookaround - feel like we are not getting on same page

[hot blade]

the default platynator profile/settings filters it, what you did was untick this box, which shows poisons again

[lime onyx]

Based on what we’re seeing, ignoring pooling altogether and just spamming envenoms is less than a 1% dps difference.

[void ibex]

where is that box

[urban fern]

if this ends up staying true in Midnight that's a big hell yeah from me, but I guess we shall see

[hot blade]

select your debuff icon in your setup, then filters

under designer

click debuff icon to change its settings

then filter tab

[void ibex]

thank you!

[knotty vapor]

kinda fucking love the new CT

feels so much better than having to fuck around with stealth

[ocean horizon]

am i just a dumbass or why am i always out of energy

[tacit hedge]

How do you guys feel about.... The feel of assa atm?

[buoyant herald]

i like it

i acknowledge its very basic but i think it plays well

[knotty vapor]

feels kinda the same in single target

but aoe is simpler and easier now

[tacit hedge]

It is easier but I worry I'll get bored of it too quickly since its a lot easier

[knotty vapor]

tho I haven't tried deathstalker changes yet

that might be more interactive

[tacit hedge]

Maybe Im missing some optimizations other than pooling

[knotty vapor]

hopefully the apex talent will add some nuance in boss fights

[tacit hedge]

Yeah I'll try that, I liked that It was interactive before, but there definitely was a bit of bloat

[stoic gazelle]

Idk if anyone answered but the new apex talents relieve some of that feeling with energy refunds on envenoms

[ocean horizon]

i guess, i was just trying out sin and it felt like i was permanently out of thistle tea and energy

because in larger 10-12 mobs pack i have to press crimson tempest a LOT and it destroyed my energy reserve

[balmy condor]

that is the idea, yes

[ocean horizon]

okay

i assume i'm not doing anything wrong then

🥲

[balmy condor]

probably not

as long as you're maintaining bleeds and pressing envenom, you kinda can't do anything wrong

[ocean horizon]

i think i tried out the bleed version of sin in s2? or whichever season it was that had theater of pain

and i didn't like the energy pooling playstyle at all

[balmy condor]

energy pooling in midnight is much more direct than the obscure weird conditionals of the past to be fair

but you probably wouldn't like it in midnight either

[ocean horizon]

oh you still pool energy?

[balmy condor]

our apex talent makes it explicit, yes

[ocean horizon]

i thought the talent for it got removed

oh 💀

[balmy condor]

the entire philosophy of the midnight rework for assa was to promote pooling and slow energy

which, they kinda failed at

cause the only thing promoting that is the apex

[ocean horizon]

yeah, my rogue spec before the prepatch was outlaw

and that spec is like the opposite, i fight tooth and nail to slot in extra gcds during stealth windows

[balmy condor]

that's also gone for what it's worth

[ocean horizon]

so the swap to a pooling and more reserved playstyle is like whiplash to me

yep

im checking out sin bcuz outlaw is no longer outlaw 😭

[balmy condor]

yeah you probably fall in the cross-section of players that liked outlaw for the insane APM and complexity

all 3 rogue specs moved heavily in the other direction

[ocean horizon]

yeah, i gave all three rogue specs a spin in some keys with guildies, i think they are al fairly simple now just different playstyles

lowkey i still vibe with sin the most feels like i can get massively rewarded if i learn energy pooling and dot management

[balmy condor]

you can't

pooling around the apex talent is like 1.5%

[ocean horizon]

💀

[balmy condor]

also what dot management

[ocean horizon]

damn this is rough 💀

yeah ig its not really much more to "manage" anymore either

[balmy condor]

it's actually zero :P crimson tempest means you never swap targets and have no reason to bleed other than your main target

I guess the only thing you could argue is improved garrote

but it's like a 2.5% talent

so

if you refresh like 4 seconds early, does that really matter

[ocean horizon]

yeah i realized that, i just stare at the prio mob and look at the bleed on it and kinda not look at anything else

then the only thing left is to see if i can stomach not pressing buttons all the time like an addict

to see if sin fits me

[balmy condor]

envenom 5x, let it drop, repeat

[ocean horizon]

💀

[balmy condor]

well unless you're in lust for example

cause then you have too much energy

and you would overcap energy while waiting for envenom to drop

so then you would just spam

[ocean horizon]

wait i think im missing the envenom dropping mechanic

[balmy condor]

the apex

[ocean horizon]

oh

ah

okay that makes more sense

[balmy condor]

yeah in prepatch there's no reason to do anything energy related

cause there's just no talent

[ocean horizon]

damn sin really is like, half a spec right now without the apex huh

[balmy condor]

no, it's pretty complete

people will pretend that like the apex is going to like

magically solve every complaint they have

but like

here, hold on

[ocean horizon]

u think it wont change the playstyle much?

[balmy condor]

that implacable slice

is the slice that you're pooling for

[ocean horizon]

huh thats a cool pie chart

damn

[balmy condor]

it's like 10% extra energy

[ocean horizon]

that is not that much at all i thought it woulda be more

[balmy condor]

tbf the talent also has 10% envenom damage on it

so that alone is 2%

and then it's got more energy than tea or dashing scoundrel

which are both capstones

so it is "strong"

but it's not going to like

[real pike]

What are the numbers

[balmy condor]

do anything lmao

[balmy condor]

the amount of energy generated in single target over 5 min

[ocean horizon]

yeah i thought it would be more

[real pike]

Ty

[ocean horizon]

i thought this was multi target, does it change at all in keys

sorry im a filthy m+ player

[balmy condor]

in keys its less

cause it's baseline regen %

[ocean horizon]

damn

[balmy condor]

here's the same graph in 10 target aoe for example

on deathstalker

[ocean horizon]

noway 💀

[balmy condor]

venomous wounds takes up a bigger slice cause it's 1 energy per tick per target

and then dashing gains cause you're hitting more things, which is more poisons

that's 90s btw

[ocean horizon]

yeah so the apex gives the same but the other talents are just straight up giving more

oof

[balmy condor]

well the apex in 10 target gives nothing

it's 25 energy

[ocean horizon]

yeah

[balmy condor]

too much energy, so you can't afford to drop envenom

else you'd overcap energy

[ocean horizon]

so ig yeah the apex wont change much

[balmy condor]

so you just keep spamming

[ocean horizon]

so if i cant really drop envenom and the energy bonus isnt significant enough

yeah ig the playstyle wont change from now

damn this is rough, outlaw and sub's energy doesnt play much of a role at all but its hella important on sin which is giving me whiplash

[balmy condor]

I mean right now it doesn't play a role either

you just don't have any

[ocean horizon]

yeah

welp 😭

thanks for the info man

prolly gonna try some more to get used to it but i'll probably just roll tank again at this rate

[runic hinge]

Np

[steel parrot]

Is hp sustain any better in late game? Im so used to dh and fury warrior tankiness lol

[marsh fjord]

Rogue has no HP sustain beside vial

and leech a little bit

but it's quite useless

[narrow cypress]

Stock up on some of the good healing potions for leveling+some food to use as needed. Also can look to play with the bleed capstone to make the non elites nonexistent for questing atleast.

[balmy condor]

if sudden demise worked in open world

[marsh fjord]

HAHAHA

[balmy condor]

that would be a great idea

[marsh fjord]

i just

wanted

to say

😄

[narrow cypress]

Xd

[marsh fjord]

It doesnt work

if SD would work in open world that kinda goes crazy

[balmy condor]

I mean that was the idea of the talent in the first place tbh

[marsh fjord]

yeah

[candid nacelle]

Hey all 🙂
i used Cevs Plater Profile, it will get updated?

[marsh fjord]

Hi, I'm the assistent of Cevs, please use his discord for troubleshouting not the rogue discord
my kindest regards

Numbers

[balmy condor]

He doesn’t play anymore

Also plater is a buggy mess right now

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

Would suggest literally anything else

[lean plover]

platynator seems like the best alternative

[brave gyro]

I was honestly impressed with platynator - much simpler, but even with default settings, it's pretty okay

[candid nacelle]

oh okay

[devout jolt]

Sorry if this has been asked or is pinned somewhere but is there a time and place for shiv as it's no longer in the rotation as standard

[royal lantern]

soothe enrages effects

for the 2 times each expansion where they are slightly relevant

[quaint shadow]

is this new or a bug?: if i oneshot a mob with ambush or shadowstrike i dont lose stealth

[royal lantern]

sometimes happens

[red sail]

Is it ever worth spreading multiple garrotes during the little 6 second faux subterfuge window

So there are more out after CT spread

[primal oasis]

Is it normal for assa to be energy starved and have downtime in aoe now as well?

[coral ibex]

yes

[primal oasis]

Is there 1 spec they didnt fuck up in midnight?

[marsh fjord]

Subjective, i dont think they fucked up rogue at all. its very fun

[coral ibex]

no they actually did intensive research on you specifically as a player and intentionally ruined all the specs you like and then also all the specs you might consider trying

[primal oasis]

Unironically true tho

I've been going over all the specs I play and they all seem fked up

[coral ibex]

unless ur playing on the beta there are missing talents

so prepatch assa is literally Not A Complete Spec

[marsh fjord]

Does no damage also

[coral ibex]

im not even logging in to the game, everything is fake rn

and i dont care about housing

[primal oasis]

Yeah I guess but I just wanted to use the free weekend to try out rotations on the specs I normally play to check if I should resub

[coral ibex]

unfortunately many things will likely have changed by the time the expansion actually comes out

[marsh fjord]

based. fuck housing

[coral ibex]

housing is based, i just dont care enough to be grinding it

[primal oasis]

I feel like the general consensus is that they made pretty much every spec easier to play with less skill expression. I also feel like they want to increase downtime on specs across the board for some reason

Idk if it's me but even outlaw feels slower

[coral ibex]

you need time to use your eyes to solve mechs

smile

no more cybernetic enhancements

[marsh fjord]

Get ready to prepare for wow 2 with classic in mind

[primal oasis]

I don't mind dbm etc being gone but my having to redo my entire ui kinda pisses me off

[marsh fjord]

UI takes 10 minutes work now

DBM isnt gone either

[primal oasis]

Back to staring at action bars at the bottom of my screen instead of WA's I can track in the middle

[marsh fjord]

Still have that btw

[primal oasis]

yeah I don't wanna go true the effort of doing all that tbh

Just wanna play a game not have a second job

[marsh fjord]

This is my UI now

[normal mist]

Lmao

[marsh fjord]

took me 10 minutes if i didnt installed arc ui

[primal oasis]

Looks nice but yeah I put so much effort into my last UI im not doing it again

maybe I can copy some UI's in a while

[marsh fjord]

You can.

[primal oasis]

why couldn't they just keep WA like that in the game, the ones like luxthos or the class UI part of naowhui

[marsh fjord]

luxthos still exist, you can just import them and they are for free.

But they removed WA's because of how they wanted to do there boss design

Luxthos has a website with all the imports

[primal oasis]

ah nice yeah you're right

thanks that will save me ages

nvm only for midnight not prepatch

[exotic hazel]

I think I'm feeling this change more than I realised

The energy restored when the target dies part

[runic hinge]

ct spreads the garrotes for you

[sharp viper]

Barely noticeable now

[marsh fjord]

Sniping was so fun

[exotic hazel]

I was starting to think it was bugged, can barely see my energy move when the target dies

[spice surge]

Not only was it nerfed

But it was bugged before to give way more than it should

So instead of 10 energy per tick left it's 3 (or 1 if you have multiple out)

[lime onyx]

Am I the only one who kinda has no energy problems in aoe? Like it feels completely fine I can practically perma spam fok into envenom once my CTs are spread

[exotic hazel]

Idk, I'm out of teas by the 2nd or 3rd pull and then feeling short for the rest of the run 😂

Most likely misplaying though

[waxen oyster]

I wish a job was only like 1.5 hours

imagine

[primal oasis]

that's 1.5 hours of my free time that I could be using to actually play a game instead of doing all that crap

[waxen oyster]

Idk i spent awhile just adjusting WA too

since i disliked every stock wa pack

almost every generic class wa maker created a bunch of useless trackers

[primal oasis]

fair but I just used naowhui with minimal adjustments

[waxen oyster]

idk naowh's tracked useless buffs

imo

[primal oasis]

on the class WA you mean?

[waxen oyster]

probably some cdm edits and shit later

yeah elvui still works

i probably spent just as long adjusting class WA to something i liked

and by adjust i mean frankenstein like 4-5 people's wa groups

[primal oasis]

yeah idk I don't feel like doing any of that after a long day at work

Compared to booting up RDR2 or something and just playing

[waxen oyster]

There's probably cdm imports already

that generically work

https://wago.io/blizz-cooldown-manager/classes/rogue

yeah 3 different makers rn

[primal oasis]

I was looking at that but the luxthos one doesn't work till midnight I think

[waxen oyster]

its technically midnight?

[primal oasis]

yeah I wasn't sure about that, is pre-patch next expansion technically?

[waxen oyster]

Yes

[primal oasis]

then I fucked up the import somehow because it didn't do anything

[waxen oyster]

im not a fan of less visual options but in reality i spent just as long

just because i've never had a general class maker's wa look the way i wanted it to

out the box

[primal oasis]

Ah no, I thought I could just copy the string and import like with WA, now I actually need to get like 8 different addons to do the same thing 1 WA accomplished

[waxen oyster]

better cooldownmanager

or arcui yeah

the tldr is that the wa devs didnt want to continue their project with the blizz api restrictions

which i mean is fine since they didnt get paid to do it

[primal oasis]

the ones luxthos has on his site are : CDM centered, sensei class resource bar, health bar color and a couple others

blizz should have just hired them tbf

[waxen oyster]

prob inevitable someone makes a clone

with less functionality

it just feels worse when it was your own work heavily restricted

its probably not enough work in a year to give a full position

and i imagine blizz wouldnt just pay them to work part the year

[red sail]

I know

But if you can spread more garrotes while it has no cd is that worth the globals

If the packs live long enough

[scarlet orbit]

You can press ct and apply 2 garrotes while also doing way more dmg.
So no its not worth the globals because ct does it just better

[runic hinge]

What they said^

[balmy condor]

2 garrotes + aoe damage + poison + more combo points vs. 1 garrote

Math checks out to me

[runic hinge]

Whatever nerd

[tawny root]

!chainpull

[sharp viper]

Does lucky coin reset on boss pull?

It feels like there could be some degenerate shit if you can have 4 stacks on pull

[inner mica]

does caustic spater now only procc if no bleeds on target ?

[sharp viper]

Only from envenom and kingsbane casts, it’s in the tooltip

[inner mica]

i know

[sharp viper]

No other requirements

Other than maybe you having weapon poisons up

[inner mica]

but when i cast evenom if bleed and rupture is up no procc, if i cast after mutilate with no bleeds asap caustic is on target

[sharp viper]

[inner mica]

have to test maybe on dummies looks a bit weird

[scarlet orbit]

mutilate has nothing to do with caustic anymore

[inner mica]

i know but i need some CP on target for the evenom

[marsh fjord]

You just need envenom a target

and it will apply caustic

it doesnt have to be rocket sciene bro

[inner mica]

just tested on dummies, if i evenom before bleed + rupture is on target then caustic debuff is up and i can keep it up with evenoms, if first rupture + bleed and then evenom i get no caustic on target

[vague niche]

Getting a little confused when reading the wowhead guide.
It says cast vanish -> garrote to be lined up with deathmark.
But in the opener tab, it says "Cast vanish after improved garrote has faded (usually 30 seconds into the fight), then cast on cooldown.
So it shouldn't line up with deathmark?
Am i misinterpreting something?
Which one is correct?

[scarlet orbit]

Can you log it or make a clip about it?

[inner mica]

have nothing installed atm for recording

[marsh fjord]

I dont know if this matters actually but are you finishing 5+

[inner mica]

have to check again, didnt pay attention

[midnight atlas]

you don't cast it in opener, you keep it for 2nd deathmark window and further ahead

could be that its not a big gain to keep it for DM anyway so you just yolo send it whenever its up

[mint urchin]

DM doubles your bleed so you would save it for DM and not yolo send it

The only case you would yolo send it would be keys where you use vanish as utility or def

[marsh fjord]

DM doesnt double your bleeds anymore

It's just a increase damage to the target now

[mint urchin]

Really? Idk how I missed that lol, the 20% still applies to the above

[mint urchin]

That's old DM

[marsh fjord]

No.

thats new

[mint urchin]

It literally says garrote dmg increase by 100%

[marsh fjord]

Yes.

[sharp viper]

And that’s the new dm

[marsh fjord]

how can people be this ignorant 😄

when im providing them screenshots

[mint urchin]

So that's basically doubling your bleed?

How is this diff from what I said

[marsh fjord]

It's basically the same. but it doesnt duplicate them anymore 😄

[mint urchin]

...

[marsh fjord]

You just have a 100% increase to the target

[mint urchin]

If it does 100% more dmg that's doubling your bleed, double doesn't always mean make two

[marsh fjord]

Double means 2

To me

idk about you bud

[sharp viper]

No VW interaction or lethal dose amplification

[marsh fjord]

Dont have to string on the words i'm only trying to provide you insight.

[balmy condor]

Also no double amp poison

[hidden crown]

is it just me or playing Assassination feels weaker?

[marsh fjord]

i wish i could deathmark you so i could get double pookie on my screen

[marsh fjord]

In pre-patch or beta

[balmy condor]

It wouldn’t double though

[hidden crown]

pre patch

[balmy condor]

We just had this

[marsh fjord]

Old interaction mate.

[balmy condor]

Prepatch is untuned

[marsh fjord]

Yeah bosses are shorter, tuning is a fucking mess.

[hidden crown]

rip

[marsh fjord]

Also assa has a good execute profile

and if a boss last 1 minut

[hidden crown]

I also noticed that they removed the energy refil on the killed target

[marsh fjord]

there is no execute

[marsh fjord]

yeah sniping is gone

[hidden crown]

cringe

thats gonna be difficult to accept

and not get used to

[marsh fjord]

You just rupture for damage now or scent buff really

[hidden crown]

so sad

https://tenor.com/view/fail-peter-griffin-family-guy-fall-cartoon-gif-15790726

tho question

Does this trinket still synergize with the Deathmark

[runic hinge]

Still works yes

But deathmark is no longer a 1:30 cd

Bc tier sets are disabled

[hidden crown]

sad

[runic hinge]

Or not disabled but changed

[hidden crown]

then I should change my trinket

[runic hinge]

If you have something better

[hidden crown]

I have antena and araz

also netherprism

not sure which is better and worth logging

[humble verge]

im stuck in brawlers guild

[sharp viper]

filthy sub player

[humble verge]

yea sorry for playing sub when assa is dead

[sharp viper]

[hidden crown]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-point-debate-argument-angel-gif-17274775

this is heart breaking

[balmy condor]

that doesn't even look bad

[hidden crown]

Im next to BM

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[balmy condor]

26k is heroic raid or what boss is this

[hidden crown]

Fractilus mythic

[balmy condor]

waht

[hidden crown]

yea