to warrant a second round of dots
#assassination
balmy condor
velvet cairn
is new CT out ? havent dabbled yet in new patch
velvet cairn
oh shiet ye nvm then. then it doesnt matter
Also another small question. If im in a ST boss does CT get grayed out due to no other targets to apply to, or is there like a small damage so its clickable still?
balmy condor
it's identical to fok
you can fok in single target, so you can ct in single target
they generate the same cp
have the same range
golden loom
CT giving a combo point even without hitting a target is kinda funny
velvet cairn
noted big thanks
balmy condor
CT giving a combo point even without hitting a target is kinda funny
fatebound coins are still proccing seal fate as well
which is such a headscratcher
cause they don't proc deal fate, just seal fate
golden loom
time to pre-stack combo points -> slice and dice prepull
balmy condor
yeah huge 0.001% dps gain
I still need to test if envenom pre-kingsbane is fully dead with apex talents
but sims are broken
golden loom
how broken are the sims
balmy condor
everything works except top gear and apex talents
because blizzard made the apex talents a one-point talent with 4 ranks
jolly stirrup
Ok i didn't quite understand. So when do we pool energy?
shell plaza
cant find any opener changes etc, everything same angle or 🤔
balmy condor
but the spell data
is still set up like 3 talents, 1-2-1 ranks
it's just hidden in that one talent
golden loom
balmy condor
balmy condor
imagine simming prepatch
when the sims aren't supported
and the patch is buggy
and the patch has 0 tuning
and the fights are falling apart
golden loom
thats my time to shine
agile wedge
guys with sensei, can i have my combopoints bubbles back or do i need to stick to the boxes? as far as i can see great addon btw
golden loom
time to stack haste hooooly
golden loom
also this does not matter cause I cannot read!
balmy condor
raw mulch
From bis trinkets according to wowhead guide 
to this sims kinda funky
raw mulch
balmy condor
mythic fractillus is a 1:20min fight btw
strange python
do whatever the fuck you want
no, must minmax at all times
balmy condor
like literally
jolly stirrup
This is my first PrePatch situation. I am taking it all jn
balmy condor
who fucking cares
golden loom
so forge on every fight got it
balmy condor
yeh
forge everywhere
lust on pull
gg go next boss
I'm pretty sure the good guilds can do 9-10 carries at once
golden loom
atleast I should get my mount today 🙂
balmy condor
this patch is so giga fucked lmao
raw mulch
its just funny to see how cooked everything gets the second pre-patch happend
balmy condor
yeh
jolly stirrup
this patch is so giga fucked lmao
Is it always like this?
balmy condor
it is
jolly stirrup
Damn
golden loom
I am very happy with how my ui turned out though so thats nice
balmy condor
this one is just especially fucked cause there's a stat squish on the top
so it's like a little more fucked than normal
but yes, prepatch is literally always an absolute clown fiesta
jolly stirrup
Good to know ^^
balmy condor
people have bugged ilvl
so the current m+ leaderboard
is actually just cooked
14 min +41
cause the dps warrior
is randomly 380 ilvl
golden loom
2 man +41? 
golden loom
War Within Remix 
golden loom
what a time to be alive and play some world of warcraftington
balmy condor
how they managed to do a 32 halls
in 11 minutes
really makes you think
maybe boomkin is just op!
ah jeez
6 minute gambit
super weird!
balmy condor
so true
golden loom
but then I have to re-craft and re-gem away from arcane, bummer!
balmy condor
just sim it
using the 100% accurate and functional sims
that the theorycrafters definitely optimized for prepatch
ornate dawn
Can i sim what to have for lunch today
golden loom
cant wait to boil the ocean with broken sims!
balmy condor
Can i sim what to have for lunch today
go into the office breakroom and microwave 3 kg of salmon
your coworkers will love you
ornate dawn
I work from home so thats kinda self destruction
kindred imp
Whispyr, in your cd and ui video, did you share the UI anywhere you used in there?
balmy condor
no, and since it was on beta from like 2 weeks ago I don't think the import would work anyway
jaunty notch
bro I want to kms legit
balmy condor
I'm going to make a new video with my full UI
jaunty notch
give me back my old ui
kindred imp
ye fair. all good. will start from scratch
balmy condor
there's a starter UI on the wowhead guide
I'm using sensei to replace the baseline personal resource display
and the rest of my shit is base UI
works pretty decent tbh
was surprised
kindred imp
ye should be plenty for what we need, hopefully with some more fps and less LUA errors all around
golden loom
this took like 6 min to cook up with base ui + sensei
ornate dawn
we all gonna have basically this
jolly stirrup
golden loom
wtf!
ornate dawn
brutal, savage, rekt
golden loom
ok now im putting the coins back on the bar!
balmy condor
lemme just track the thing that procs passively when I press my cds and also when I press envenom once every 5 seconds
point and laugh at this user
spring briar
this took like 6 min to cook up with base ui + sensei
Which addon? Sensei?
golden loom
Which addon? Sensei?
golden loom
lemme just track the thing that procs passively when I press my cds and also whe...
I will track it so I don't muscle memory press mutilate in aoe, checkmate
jolly stirrup
lemme just track the thing that procs passively when I press my cds and also whe...
Wait why only once every 5 seconds 
What happened to my class
balmy condor
idk that's the average I think
57 envenoms in 300 seconds
is like
basically 1 every 5
jolly stirrup
I need to destroy the dummy and see how it feels. Also no idea how and when we pool yet i hate relearning shit
jolly stirrup
Imagine reading
balmy condor
real and true
golden loom
yeah we dont pool in prepatch because as the sims show, HASTE is bis
so you have infinite energy
balmy condor
reading is for nerds
balmy condor
and I'm a basedpilled gigachad muscle mommy
balmy condor
Altho I did and found a grammar/spelling mistake
yeah probably
I was hungover
and also sick
deadly combo
now I'm just sick
jolly stirrup
Missing a "be"
jolly stirrup
now I'm just sick
Get well soon my luv
balmy condor
THERES A BEE?
jolly stirrup
THERES A BEE?
balmy condor
heartbreaking
weak isle
jolly stirrup
My favorite quote form that whole trial was: Megapint of wine
agile wedge
sensei is goated thanks guys
this is all i need i guess
just say with current cooldownmanager, i have only 1 group per buff, 1 group per bars etc
would be nice to have the possibilty to have more groups
left loom
hey guys is there any addon or way to have casutic spatter visible on nameplates ?
balmy condor
no, but why would you need that
its passively applied whenever you envenom or kingsbane
you're also never target swapping
so there's just no point
left loom
yes you have a point i was thinking there might be cases to swap target and stay on them for some time
static glacier
Amp poison not wurf playing around?
balmy condor
yes you have a point i was thinking there might be cases to swap target and stay...
I mean in that case, you would just envenom that target
balmy condor
Amp poison not wurf playing around?
wdym
spare kayak
oh we're no longer mutilating in aoe ever
balmy condor
correct
jolly stirrup
I haven't logged in yet, is lvl cap already raised?
left loom
where are rogues trending now in terms of nameplates blizz/ plater/ platynator ?
jolly stirrup
Oki
golden loom
where are rogues trending now in terms of nameplates blizz/ plater/ platynator ?
default cause plater tracked all poisons etc so that shit got uninstalled asap for me
balmy condor
a lot of people are swearing by platynator
but it's just a cosmetic thing if you need it
or want it I guess
the base nameplates have everything you need
jolly stirrup
a lot of people are swearing by platynator
Perry the Platynator?
balmy condor
exactly
jolly stirrup
spare kayak
going oom on aoe certainly feels weird 😄
balmy condor
you get used to it
final star
I continue to use plater just cos I like how mine looks
jolly stirrup
I recently started a Warri as a second character, I must say, AoE damage felt significantly smoother idk
final star
default stuff is great for like 98% of people tbh
jolly stirrup
Ok sry boss no need to shout
balmy condor
why do I want this
final star
Yeah
final star
basically the only unusable thing for me is default player/target/boss frames
I just need a rectangle that fills/empties thanks
kindred imp
You can hide all action bars except action bar 1? 😄 haha wtf
golden loom
most important addon to replace a weakaura tho
balmy condor
I think you can hide action bar 1 with a nameplat addon
balmy condor
most important addon to replace a weakaura tho
yah true
final star
retain default just make it mouseover
raven phoenix
is CT supposed to give combopoints without hitting anything?
final star
you need to calm down
balmy condor
IM WIRED MAN
final star
jolly stirrup
Didn't you say you have a meeting in like 7 hours?
balmy condor
I do indeed have a meeting in 7 hours
but I need to finish this thing
and it's very annoying
jolly stirrup
White Monster and Yallah
honest mason
hey, sorry for the ping but how did u manage to track the improved garrote buff?
limber yoke
Are we not using shiv anymore in our rotation?
golden loom
hey, sorry for the ping but how did u manage to track the improved garrote buff?
its automatically tracked in the default cooldown manager
jolly stirrup
Are we not using shiv anymore in our rotation?
Nope. RIP Shiv 2k26
limber yoke
well that is a muscle memory I have to relearn 😄
golden loom
hey, sorry for the ping but how did u manage to track the improved garrote buff?
and then in edit mode you can move around tracked bars
honest mason
ah ty, it wasn't tracked and I could not find it in my layout o0
agile wedge
for those who play with std ui, how did you solve to see the target castbar properly? i tried a few addons, but some of them are not properly working. how did you solve this?
balmy condor
I just look at the nameplate
agile wedge
i see
left loom
i know its nitpicking but im used to track main buffs and debuffs via bars not icons like garrote envenom etc.. and i like different color bars. Anyone found something that would ad more depth to customization of blizz tracked bars?
jade abyss
well that is a muscle memory I have to relearn 😄
Take it out from your bar D:
honest mason
so I always forget to reapply my poison or weapon buffs - is there any way now to get a reminder for poisons or anything or do I have to force myself to learn to look at my buffs every now and then?
echo island
Any ideas if i can change my player frame into only displaying the healthbar + numbers
golden loom
so I always forget to reapply my poison or weapon buffs - is there any way now t...
time to build a habit, I have these binds that I just spam between pulls
agile wedge
looking at the faq and i might be stupid but
i cant do that no?
i cant get cs and pb?
hot blade
crimson tempest left out in the cold
agile wedge
i read it like drop first two, pick last two and decide between pb or ct
so i guess its ct and cs for now?!
balmy condor
well you gotta open the gate obviously
so you gotta pick and choose
either CT, doom, or imp poison
and then you get caustic
that's why I suggest this in the guide
balmy condor
red schooner
time to build a habit, I have these binds that I just spam between pulls <:kekw:...
They laughed at me for having deadly poison bound to 2. Who's laughing now?
I was planning for the future
limber yoke
so I always forget to reapply my poison or weapon buffs - is there any way now t...
There is addon for that, converted from WA. Not sure if it is updated, let me check.
earnest pilot
anyone using arcui? the yellow swipe that lets me know my dots are up keeps breaking with it, anyone know a fix?
or an alternative class WA addon
golden loom
They laughed at me for having deadly poison bound to 2. Who's laughing now?
my goat
orchid pewter
I played long enough without reminder so i check top right before every pull
honest mason
There is addon for that, converted from WA. Not sure if it is updated, let me ch...
that would be goated, could u just tell me the name even if it not updated?
limber yoke
that would be goated, could u just tell me the name even if it not updated?
Clickable Raid Buffs, but pretty sure there is an option to have it outside of the raid
honest mason
mhm - last update 3 months ago. I'll give it a try
red schooner
that would be goated, could u just tell me the name even if it not updated?
I had one I think called poisoner, that worked for me but not tried it on prepatch
honest mason
ty
limber yoke
yeah, Clickable Raid Buffs is not working, I've just figured out. I am expecting an update, because there is no way dev would convert it to an addon if he didnt plan to have it in midnight
10/17/2025: As it stands, it looks like addon development is not going to be a worthwhile use of time. Some things appear likely to still work, at least in part, but given the current hostility to addons and their developers, I’m not planning to continue to develop anything for World of Warcraft. I have also refunded my preorder of the Midnight expansion, and I do not plan to play.
Well, now I need to hunt for something similar 🙁
severe meadow
They laughed at me for having deadly poison bound to 2. Who's laughing now?
I might still laugh about it
shy axle
do i need to download an addon to import whispyr ui class pack from the guide? like f.e. sensei
limber yoke
mhm - last update 3 months ago. I'll give it a try
Klicker's Poison Reminder is working
spare kayak
did 1 dungeon as assa - it feels so dumb tbh
severe meadow
did 1 dungeon as assa - it feels so dumb tbh
In a bad way? I thought FB felt pretty good
prime hull
rip i liked to see it to know when to reapply deadly poison to upkeep VW
on like 3-4t cleave scenario
or for slow poison falling off if you had to slow stuff
or knowing my current spatter target when tabbing away to other stuff then clicking back
i guess thats less relevant now a bit
spice surge
You dont need poisons to apply spatter
VW doesnt do much
And you are using fok anyway
prime hull
yeah i know i just meant we lost spatter on nameplates
spice surge
So theyll be up
prime hull
but its on envenom now so less important
spice surge
Spatter is still on nameplates
prime hull
hmmm i have it talented but nothing is showing on em for spatter
severe meadow
So theyll be up
Is there a way to turn off pandemic lighting up?
prime hull
no pandemic on nameplates also pretty sad
visual sun
is there a shortcut to pull out cooldown manager?
severe meadow
Yeah someone said earlier they had pandemic working for them but it’s not tracking for me
buoyant herald
is there a shortcut to pull out cooldown manager?
You can assign a hotkey in the keybinding interface
Not set by default though
jolly stirrup
time to build a habit, I have these binds that I just spam between pulls <:kekw:...
I made myself this 
junior yoke
f*ck, fury warrior wining me wtf man
shy axle
anyone else cannot important ui parts? i can copy in the string (e.g. whispyrs version from the guide) but cannot load it because i am not able to fill in a name. Is it buggy or something i did wrong?
jolly stirrup
Anyone know if I can change the CP in SenseiClassResource to have with 5 or more CP to let them have a different colour?
little tulip
erm how preferred is fatebound in m+?
snow hamlet
myabe Lethal Dose you can watch FAQ
agile wedge
does recrafting via guildorder work for you?
sand lichen
cant get PB from IP
agile wedge
yeah i asked that as well
minor hickup
look at wowheadguide and copy from there
it has all the builds
spare kayak
In a bad way? I thought FB felt pretty good
its just 2 buttons outside of bleed application
severe meadow
Yeah that’s just kind of the game now
prime hull
yeah not sure how much i like poison bomb locked behind spatter
i guess blizz wants it to be more aoe than always picked on single target talents
golden loom
its just 2 buttons outside of bleed application
Brother what was it before today?
We lost shiv and gained CT in raid
spare kayak
its just fok into single envenom
jolly stirrup
4 min at this guy and I do 22k dps. idk if thats good or bad 
severe meadow
We seem to be a little cooked rn
Felt good in m+ but bosses are dying too fast in raid to really say much
2-3 minute Dimmy kills
jolly stirrup
mhm
severe meadow
Front loaded classes going crazy rn
jolly stirrup
Ok so its not just me being shit, our damage in general in ST feels meh?
Althou me being shit is also deffo a possibility
severe meadow
My boss damage in m+ was a little rough
jolly stirrup
My boss damage in m+ was a little rough
I mean when isnt it
jolly stirrup
We’re doing a full reclear tonight
we do tomorrow
Can you @me when you are done and send me your damage numbers? So i have smth to compare to when I do tomorrow? can also do PN
jolly stirrup
Thx bud
jolly stirrup
Ye i have yet to do one, need to get used to spread bleeds with CT now
and it will feel weird to not Mut/amb for Caustic
Also not pressing shiv in ST rotation feels wrong 
severe meadow
FB felt smooth to me
I only CT’d a few times for scent stacks and just starting slamming envenom
jolly stirrup
Maybe dumb question, when I have double bleeds with DM and spread them, the spread bleeds will be normal bleeds no?
gray hazel
What are you guys doing for combo points on target? Seems like it’s been removed from the options
shy axle
is there a way to have his personal resource thingey always active? right now, no matter if i tag only show in fight or not, it never shows
jagged wind
do we have plater profile yeat that shows only carrote and rupture on enemys
orchid pewter
little tulip
resource manager has them available for default
timber pawn
Anyone else seeing Deathstalker way ahead of FB in ST right now. Anything in FB badly bugged currently?
timber pawn
4 min at this guy and I do 22k dps. idk if thats good or bad <:xdd:1071508408076...
I was basically at the same number so if its bad we both suck
fallen pilot
I was basically at the same number so if its bad we both suck
Both three of us suck then
timber pawn
half plover
no matter what I do, I can't make personal resource to display, help
fallen pilot
I dont mind the slower playstyles tbf
timber pawn
I was getting mollywopped last night in Mythic Omega Raid on basically everything but Plexus. Used to be top 3 on every encounter, was 7-10 most bosses last night
little tulip
ice hud shows combo points but try elvui unless you like unc huds, enable personal resource display in edit mode
mortal drum
no matter what I do, I can't make personal resource to display, help
You may have turned it off in gameplay settings
I was driving myself crazy with this same thing
trail dust
is there a way to hide the poisons on plater?
snow hamlet
any recommended bleed talent? I absolutely love SD. lol
severe meadow
any recommended bleed talent? I absolutely love SD. lol
I think SD would have some value in like a two or something
gleaming geyser
Has anyone found a very simple addon that adds ''show when in combat OR if target exists'' for the CDM? By default, it only has ''always visible'' or ''visible in combat''
severe meadow
But bleed build for the most part is deadge
spice surge
is there a way to hide the poisons on plater?
Wdym
little tulip
buff tracking is showing all debuffs applied to a target
so its showing bleeds/poisons applied
trail dust
Wdym
i see 4 poisons on plater nameplates, I wanted to hide them to reduce visual clutter
little tulip
just had the same issue
little tulip
it's either a bug with plater or worse plater is broke 🙁
spice surge
Ye seems like a bug with plater as theyre not showing up without it
trail dust
oh okay them i'll try blizz nameplates or platynator
little tulip
okay dopamine related but i can't track my kingsbane stacks anymore with ice hud
feels bad
lucid rune
oh okay them i'll try blizz nameplates or platynator
I’m using jundies profile with platynator. Made the bleeds bigger. Pretty good
CT question. Imp garrote is about to fall off, rupture is not yet in pandemic window. Do I just focus on refreshing/spreading garrote? Or should I also send a full rupture?
Or only refresh rupture in its pandemic window
spice surge
Spreading bleeds that are about to run out is a complete waste of time
You dont want to swap targets, only spread with CT
jolly stirrup
ok I just did a +11 priory and holy shit, the amount of nameplates I saw XD
plush isle
would be awesome if CT could spread to 3 targets
royal lantern
ok I just did a +11 priory and holy shit, the amount of nameplates I saw XD
ITS SO MUCH BETTER RIGHT
finally plater doesnt play the game for you anymore
keen spruce
jolly stirrup
solar wyvern
My favorite part is seeing deadly atrophic crippling amp rupture garrote kingsbane deathmark caustic doomblade on each and every frame
Clarity unnecessary
spice surge
Thats just plater disabling the natty blacklist for some reason
solar wyvern
Plater was giving me hella fatalities
Any time an add spawned on a boss in gambit arakara ecodome hoa
Fatality!
Same with beta on maisara caverns 2nd boss
Wondering what would be causing that with plater specifically
golden loom
idk but I had the same and uninstalled it
spice surge
If you are running natty nameplates it only shows rupture, garrote, kingsbane and deathmark
golden loom
default nameplates 
solar wyvern
Ye ik but how can i resist jundies...
Default plates are actually not that bad, just the hit box on them is a bit wack and ofc coloring
spice surge
Its cursed, but what can you do
solar wyvern
I used default plates basically my entire beta test except last couple days i tried.plater out
solar wyvern
Yeah and elvui released a ptr pack and its actual lua error city haha
Turned that one off fast
Ah well, im sure itll all be fixed by midnight and broken again on midnight release
spice surge
Even if it gets fixed its still gonna be worse than what we had before
It is what it is
solar wyvern
I mean yeah, thats just to be expected
solar wyvern
Only one way to find out
golden loom
time to crimson tempest for 1 combo point at a time up to 5 -> slice -> repeat pre-pull tonight
golden loom
true!
night vessel
so i did not play or consume any wow content since we did CE 2 months ago. how is sin performing in prepatch? we want to do some reclears for the remainig mounts
night vessel
it did before tho so
dimmy reclears after the first kill were whatever. just nexus king gave us a hard time sometimes.
spice surge
It did not die in 3 minutes
night vessel
i did not, thats true. but it died
gleaming geyser
dimmy reclears after the first kill were whatever. just nexus king gave us a har...
stuff is getting fixed but yesterday, NK would get pushed to 10% in P1, skip p2 entirely, and kill boss in P3 before stars would even happen
spice surge
Genuinely dont think thats unintended
Its prepatch, its not intended to be difficult
tight compass
we found any good way to track weapon buffs or am i gonna be griefing every hour ?
sand lichen
anyone got musclebrah garrote clip?
gleaming geyser
Genuinely dont think thats unintended
There definitely some player power that wasnt intended, like unscaled timewalking gear and embelishments
but yea, it will still be very easy
night vessel
okey so another question: i did get the coin bug lately where it did give my DM more cooldown reduction then intended. is this not a thing anymore?
golden loom
okey so another question: i did get the coin bug lately where it did give my DM ...
well tier set is gone so
that is gone aswell
night vessel
well tier set is gone so
oooh right good to know. hated that
sand lichen
gleaming geyser
I miss 1:30 DM already 
night vessel
looking at wc logs, sub seems to dominate atm
golden loom
I mean all logs are whatever when stuff is dying insta
coral ibex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-wINzrcgMM got it
FUCKING 40k BRO
crisp sluice
Ive checked pins, where can we find blizz UI profiles lol
static glacier
wdym
Like tab targeting envenoms to consume amp poison, I doubt it’s good but was just checking here
onyx crane
man would it bother blizz to center the combo points in their default ui
royal lantern
man would it bother blizz to center the combo points in their default ui
it drives me crazy
humble verge
so we arent running CB anymore eh
spice surge
Iirc you can delete the sound effect in your files so it cant play
golden loom
so we arent running CB anymore eh
why not 
royal lantern
so we arent running CB anymore eh
isnt every single build using it
lofty junco
i guess assa truly became the "1 button spec" now
jolly stirrup
I miss 1:30 DM already <:sadge:778762276831887380>
I dont miss the buggy cd reduction
quiet oriole
i guess assa truly became the "1 button spec" now
Its most specs. At least all the ones ive tried.
lofty junco
Its most specs. At least all the ones ive tried.
tbh all the others i saw where like 20-30% loss
quiet oriole
I mean the rotations are all dead ez
humble verge
wtf is this
lofty junco
its called blizzard ui^^
lofty junco
oh
royal lantern
i guess assa truly became the "1 button spec" now
slower specs tend to do "better" with it
and assa is a slower spec
royal lantern
wtf is this
remove mutilate and tea
quiet oriole
Have they fixed the item level scaling of some items being broken?
royal lantern
wtf is mutilate even doing there
royal lantern
what is there to show with blindside
if it was old blindside where it was a serate button, yeha sure
but the "new" blindside?
spice surge
Its still AoE for now, but yes it shouldnt be
lean plover
Why leave an entire class with no aoe cc tho
quiet oriole
Did blizzard say we for sure keeping plater supported? Anyone have an updated profile?
plain jewel
Do you use envenom as soon you get to 5 combo points. Or should u mutilate for 7. The guides say 5+ but I was under the impression it was max combo points or one less than max
spice surge
Why leave an entire class with no aoe cc tho
spring briar
meh, elvui is broken today
lean plover
I hope the intention is to make blind aoe baseline
Bc having shroud and atrophic as our only utility isnt going to work well in m+
spice surge
Numbing is really good in m+
lean plover
If you want numbing you take a lock no?
spice surge
Im almost certain theyre not gonna make blind baseline
quiet oriole
meh, elvui is broken today
I was told they're not updating until prepatch is done
spice surge
If you want numbing you take a lock no?
Why not both
lean plover
Do they stack?
spice surge
But also warlocks aint applying their curses to everything
wooden basin
Yeah they sure do. Curse of agony
lean plover
And 1 capstone is a 2 min cd ultra curse
wooden basin
It’s a lot less intrusive for us to just use numbing
lean plover
grim jay
And 1 capstone is a 2 min cd ultra curse
#outlaw is the same but the duration is way longer and it has no CD
spice surge
But sure i didnt know they got the new aoe one
spring briar
I was told they're not updating until prepatch is done
they working on it right now. could be online tomorrow
royal lantern
Why leave an entire class with no aoe cc tho
its even more weird cus like
they literally added it BECAUSE rogue has no aoe cc
and then remove it 1 expansion later while not really cutting much aoe cc from others
lean plover
If you want numbing you jist take lock, they bring extra utility on top
grim jay
and then remove it 1 expansion later while not really cutting much aoe cc from o...
Which other aoe cc did they even cut
royal lantern
Which other aoe cc did they even cut
i think mage lost blastwave?
spice surge
I mean numbing still does something
Thats like saying "why bring a hunter for BL when you can bring a shaman instead as they have more utility"
grim jay
i think mage lost blastwave?
Oh true, there was something with mage losing one
lean plover
Yes but its not an amazing utility that makes rogue desirable
lean plover
Unless rogue tuning/dmg profile good
wooden basin
Facts on god no kizzy
lean plover
Things dont exists in a vaccum im aware lf that
royal lantern
nobody gives a fck about your utility if the performance of the class/spec is not great aswell
lean plover
If rogue deals 3 times the dmg of the rest dps classes it will be taken no matter what
lean plover
utility makes strong things better
Yes
Things dont exist in a vaccum
But the argument cant be utility wont matter if we are shit, or utility wont matter if we are turbo gapping in dps
Which are both true, btw
If 2 specs are equal, you will tske the one with better utility suited for the content you are going to do
spice surge
Well theyre never equal
lean plover
Yeah specs arent usually 100% equal
spice surge
In the end damage is the only thing that matters
Everything else can be played or routed around
lean plover
So just have shroud and numbing with no aoe cc and hope we have very favorable tuning
runic hinge
Bfa
lean plover
Well shroud is utility we bring
spice surge
runic hinge
Actually I used it in DF to skip trash in the raid
royal lantern
Actually I used it in DF to skip trash in the raid
everytime i try that
there is the 1 priest that is afk in the back and pulls stuff
or the warrior that uses heroic leap
runic hinge
Some ret pally runs directly through a mob cause he thinks that he’s completely invisible instead of like going around them?
Oh yeah. Those too
royal lantern
whats the matter with CT?
spice surge
i think mage lost blastwave?
Non-ele shamans lost thunderstorm
hallow glade
Thats like saying "why bring a hunter for BL when you can bring a shaman instead...
Just bring both 4head
Is it a coincidence that they give shaman a raid buff and suddenly they are meta or just under meta every season after
spice surge
That one caster in the pack when he gets hit by blight of tongues and shived numbing poison
hallow glade
Low key Druid and shaman having insane raid buffs, insane cc, AND a brez/lust is beyond broken
Like those classes need to be seriously down bad tuning wise to not be meta contenders
stark halo
anyone got a good combo point bar they are using
hallow glade
Senseiclassresourcebar is ok
spice surge
Yes, just like before
prime hull
very questionable
spice surge
But they have reduced the amount of casters by quite a bit, so in theory singletarget stops should be better
hallow glade
But they have reduced the amount of casters by quite a bit, so in theory singlet...
Grip gonna go insane as a stop
spice surge
Like you can just say "rogue stop star"
And not need to call out any rotation (which is harder now since you cant track shit)
hallow glade
Well kidney is only really used at the start of a pull
Since it’s not very useful once it’s dr’d
little tulip
anyone have a bunch of ui errors with tweaksui by the way? caused cooldown manager to bug and i had to disable it
prime hull
i will continue not pressing kidney except in absolute emergencies and rely on my team even more i guess
hallow glade
But you still have blind and gouge
spice surge
Idk 8 seconds is a long ass time
hallow glade
The trick with kidney is that you pretend it’s a kick
little tulip
esp with bear and pal tanks
hallow glade
And use it to first kick mobs
spice surge
But bro imagine the mobs have a 3 seconds cast, they get hit by the big warlock curse and shived numbing and end up with an almost 8 second cast
little tulip
kick > 4 count > kidney
hallow glade
Rogue and wlock in the same group 😭
prime hull
shiv 
hallow glade
Kick -> 7 sec lockout -> kidney -> 8 sec stun -> kick again??? rog op??
spice surge
6s lockout, but yeah
runic hinge
Rogue is gonna be op cause we’re gonna do so much damage. Fuck stops all the mobs gonna be dead
hallow glade
This magic might be possible if you can convince people not to spam aoe cc
spice surge
I think we should still have the option to play AoE blind, but genuinely as long as you dont get griefed by somebody aoe stunning for fun you can stop a lot of things
grand atlas
are the energy reg even worse right now with assa`?
runic hinge
No
hallow glade
I think we should still have the option to play AoE blind, but genuinely as long...
I think the downside is just that other classes can also do this
So rogue still isn’t really special
Even though it does it well
spice surge
DKs can ye with their grips
golden loom
So rogue still isn’t really special
yeah but can any other class quote pikaboo while ccing?
"GOUGE BLIND THE HEALER KICK THE BOLT KIDNEY THAT GUY"
spice surge
But what other classes can solo stop a mob almost indefinitely
hallow glade
Yeah others don’t come to mind
outer kernel
Guys what i have to do that i see poisens on the nameplates?
hallow glade
But dk is a big one
prime hull
wait venemous wounds is so low in the tree
little tulip
prime hull
how are people gonna level assa 1-80
hallow glade
Also side note
hallow glade
But on the subject of blind, does trickster outlaw really need 5 blind talents?
Think they’ve lost the plot a little bit
brave comet
fatebound is now recommended for both aoe and single target?
oh man the in game cooldown manager is a piece of shit
golden loom
Wdym its pretty great
spark warren
The question is... is there any way to color combo points differently as you could with WA >.>
brave comet
idk, but this is so bad
ancient rain
cooldown manager is pretty fine ngl
brave comet
its like making my brain go silent
prime hull
wait why is stealth not a trackable buff
wtf
when you are super zoomed out its hard to see if character is in stealth or not so i always had a WA to track stealth buff
envenom also super awkward cause you can no longer see the second stack
golden loom
Well there is no 2nd stack
prime hull
ah i missed they dropped that talent
ok thats fine then
but is there no way to get a stealth indicator to show when im in stealth lol
why is that not trackable
spice surge
If youre lucky they might add that come midnight
golden loom
Well the stealth ability on your bars turns into an unstealth thingy
spice surge
But that is the price we pay to not have a fractillus WA
prime hull
i hide my bars
spark warren
It's subtle though
golden loom
Unhide them
prime hull
i dont wanna see my bars
waxen burrow
but is there no way to get a stealth indicator to show when im in stealth lol
i saw a way to do it last night when I was messing around, think in ArcUI?
runic hinge
Put stealth on a bar by itself and have it alongside your cdm
waxen burrow
something about adding it as a tag and then adding the tag icon
golden loom
Yeah you could put stealth on like action bar 7 and drag it there somewhere
prime hull
🤢
spark warren
It's a good workaround until a better solution comes up 🙂
analog fractal
is anyone elses damage INSANELY LOW single target rn.....
spark warren
Item stat squish does that 🙁
prime hull
tuning is kinda a meme the bosses are super easy anyway
im just worried about all this accessability stuff im missing
analog fractal
idk its hard to enjoy playing when the unholy DK im with is doinf 80k ST and im doing 12k...
analog fractal
can you screenshot that? with like the expanded damage meter
quiet oriole
Not online atm sorry. Maybe logs will help im "working"
analog fractal
raidbots is only simming my toon at 16k so im just curious what your doing, maybe i'll catch you another time
spark warren
#assassination message
^ if someone wondered, ElvUI allows you to detach your combo points from your player unitframe, it works just fine
slim hamlet
Anyone else just built differently too?
lofty junco
no idea whats happening but ever since prepatch i ahve massige lags/fps drop for the first few seconds of a fight
spark warren
Man, for the first time in forever I'm tempted to reinstall Archud or Icehud lol
weak prism
Is there a way to track applied poisons outside of looking at buff bar?
royal lantern
no idea whats happening but ever since prepatch i ahve massige lags/fps drop for...
those damm evil addons and weakauras kill your FPS
jaunty sky
Is there a way to track applied poisons outside of looking at buff bar?
one button assist shows poisons when you're missing one
atomic creek
One button rotation mandatory for Rogue confirmed
I was looking for an addon to yell at me when I'm missing poisons but it wants me to apply Crippling Poison before it goes away and there is no way to make it ignore Crippling Poison
lofty junco
those damm evil addons and weakauras kill your FPS
but i did use the "do not laod these addons" option...shouldn't that not create any issue then?
spark warren
I used IceHud, it's kind of whatever, but I'll check Arc UI! Thanks ^^
It sure looks clean
fallow canopy
I fucked up that wasn't arc UI my bad lol
spark warren
xD
fallow canopy
it was sensei resources bar
stark stratus
anyone tried to enchant neck/gloves/shoulders/bucklebelt and saw any improvement?
fallow canopy
this addon madness has me fried
spark warren
it was sensei resources bar
Given that resources bars ARE what I'm trying to figure out, this sounds like a winner! Thanks :p
fallow canopy
np
spark warren
(that said, I dearly miss the envenom tracker and the rupture/garrote tracker)
balmy condor
anyone tried to enchant neck/gloves/shoulders/bucklebelt and saw any improvement...
Why do that when you can just wear bugged 600 ilvl vendor gear and kill mythic fract in 8 seconds and steamroll a +40 solo in under 10 min
Seems like a ton of extra work
fallow canopy
Why do that when you can just wear bugged 600 ilvl vendor gear and kill mythic f...
just use the vers embellish and have perma 110% vers 
spark warren
Lemix is lasting longer! \o/
subtle tundra
Why do that when you can just wear bugged 600 ilvl vendor gear and kill mythic f...
im horny... tell me more 😺
stark stratus
Why do that when you can just wear bugged 600 ilvl vendor gear and kill mythic f...
20 years playing and blizzard keeps surprising me
hardy dagger
i assume they fixed the bugged gear?
subtle tundra
no
balmy condor
Not to my knowledge
wooden basin
Is there a way to track applied poisons outside of looking at buff bar?
There’s a poison reminder addon I believe
balmy condor
I know I keep saying clown patch
But it’s actually so much worse than I expected
“Addon apocalypse” and people are just downloading 7 addons to do the same things 1 addon did previously
Mythic dimensius is dying before the first devour
Actually just fully clown shit
And that’s not even the bugged stuff
That’s just the intended tuning with regular characters
blazing totem
Anyone else just built differently too?
slim hamlet
<:pepe_yes:1188907002320130108>
Massive
slim hamlet
limber walrus
Did they revert the require talent point thresholds? Or will the Beta thresholds be implemented once midnight launches?
golden loom
not in 2 months!
balmy condor
Did they revert the require talent point thresholds? Or will the Beta thresholds...
The thresholds are all the same as they were in TWW
merry perch
Hey is there a bug list for pre-patch?
balmy condor
No
merry perch
Is it because it would be too long 😔
balmy condor
It’s because who gives a shit
merry perch
True
golden loom
i also discovered yesterday that delves are in midnight
honestly tho delves while gearing is very fun imo!!!!
limber walrus
The thresholds are all the same as they were in TWW
So at level 90 we will have access to an additional capstone?
spark warren
no idea whats happening but ever since prepatch i ahve massige lags/fps drop for...
o.o interesting. EAch time the cooldown manager is used (aka when I use any cooldown, apply a bleed, ...) my FPS drops to like 2 for a few seconds. You found any clue why it does that?
It typically drops during the first few seconds 'cause it's when I apply the bleeds. But if I don't use anything, it just works fine. o.o'
subtle tundra
honestly tho delves while gearing is very fun imo!!!!
🥴
good take
take it elsewhere
balmy condor
So at level 90 we will have access to an additional capstone?
In the spec tree, sure, if you want to not take apex talents
On the class tree no, those particular gates adjusted so you can only use the 3 extra class tree points in the first 2 zones
limber walrus
On the class tree no, those particular gates adjusted so you can only use the 3 ...
Ok
spark warren
(answered my own question, if the PTR version of ElvUI is removed, all works fine, time to be patient)
lofty junco
o.o interesting. EAch time the cooldown manager is used (aka when I use any cool...
ia ctualy have it on all classes not just rogue
spark warren
ia ctualy have it on all classes not just rogue
Are you using ElvUI? The second I removed ElvUI it worked fine
lofty junco
Are you using ElvUI? The second I removed ElvUI it worked fine
i will try later
merry raven
Are you using ElvUI? The second I removed ElvUI it worked fine
elvui isn't updated yet, is it? i thought they basically said a hard maybe for prepatch so they could focus on midnight
spark warren
elvui isn't updated yet, is it? i thought they basically said a hard maybe for p...
It's not officially updated, but they got a test/PTR version available. That said, it still has a few issues/quirks as one would expect of a test version ^^
merry raven
gotcha. I need to look into the other options i guess because tbh i just hate the look of the default ui
spark warren
Same, it kills my soul
spark warren
i will try later
Disabled the Cooldown function entirely (they're reworking it), and it works fine now o/
slow island
!ui
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Assassination UI Imports:
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For now, browse the following Blizzard HUD and Blizzard CDM imports on Wago:
lofty junco
Disabled the Cooldown function entirely (they're reworking it), and it works fin...
alright finished my editing work. now i can try it out^^
prime hull
have you guys figured out how to get rid of these yellow overlays on everything in your essential bar
super annoying
lofty junco
@spark warrenok i tried it. it made it a bit better but didn't solve it complet.y
but the moment i disabled elvui i had no problems anymore
humble verge
center those CPs
i cant
merry raven
weak
lofty junco
ui feels so naked without elvui...
balmy condor
luckily I got rid of elvui at the start of dragonflight
I don't even remember what it looks like
fallow canopy
Never used it
humble verge
ok but the shitty thing i dont get it
fallow canopy
i feel naked irl
Proof?
balmy condor
settings or something I assume
torn dome
now it looks a bit better
How do I copy xD
humble verge
How do I copy xD
bruh whisp prolly has a better one thats listed on wwohead
jaunty notch
sorry if it was asked already, is there an addon to skin the cooldown manager ?
look like shit
humble verge
merry raven
why the fuck are the buffs not centering
do you even need to track coin buffs? its not like you can control them
prime hull
why the fuck are the buffs not centering
need better cooldown manager
i dont think thats a blizzard default
to have the center buffs
humble verge
do you even need to track coin buffs? its not like you can control them
no but its nice to know still
humble verge
need better cooldown manager
oh so thats an addon ok
prime hull
you can get the dynamic buffs with that addon, mine are always centered now
wooden basin
I’m way too lazy to set up my own. What’s the elvui alternatives now ?
humble verge
you can get the dynamic buffs with that addon, mine are always centered now
is it just called "better cooldown manager"
oh nvm i see its
one word not 3
jaunty notch
you can get the dynamic buffs with that addon, mine are always centered now
NephUI ?
humble verge
ok this is so much better wtf
mint urchin
I’m way too lazy to set up my own. What’s the elvui alternatives now ?
You can still use elvui
humble verge
is it not broken?
mint urchin
It is like this moment unless they released a patch
humble verge
its broken until midnight dropped
royal lantern
I don't even remember what it looks like
damm
dementia hitting hard
humble verge
they have one coming for midnight
mint urchin
but not for prepatch
I don't think they are just not releasing it, they just said there wouldn't be one for patch day
amber stream
Is 1.5 mins fatebound a relic from the past? xD
balmy condor
damm
dementia hitting hard
I don't wanna hear it from you grampa, learn your neue deutsche rechtschreibung
balmy condor
Is 1.5 mins fatebound a relic from the past? xD
was part of the tier set that doesn't exist anymore, yes
amber stream
Thanks @balmy condor for techinically playing the game on my behalf xD
amber stream
Jokes aside, you are a legend mate! keep up the good stuff!
balmy condor
ty, appreciate you
humble verge
this looks good nuff
i hope
i am leading a glory run for a guild i know later tonight
balmy condor
i am leading a glory run for a guild i know later tonight
you're leading a glory run, I'm leading a glory hole
📣 🔥
we are not the same
humble verge
you're leading a glory run, I'm leading a glory hole
i am leading a glory run, and im in your glory hole
we are the same
⁉️
balmy condor
ayo
jaunty notch
this looks good nuff
what skin you used ? for cd manager ?
hollow anchor
Has anyone figured out a good way to add a poisons alert yet? It's the one thing I haven't figured out how to track well.
humble verge
what skin you used ? for cd manager ?
thats the bettercooldownmanager
jaunty notch
aight thanks
golden loom
my guildie doing a tmog run and cant even kill bosses
you have to let them seperate
or is he just not doing damage
humble verge
I DONT KNOW DAWG
golden loom
but if you kill them insta on pull they reset
humble verge
ohlol
golden loom
noob old content runner!!!!!
arctic dust
this looks good nuff
just out of curiosity, why are you tracking Mutilate?
prime hull
i dont like big ui addons
golden loom
but he cant hit them
okay does he have enough hit raiting?
humble verge
okay does he have enough hit raiting?
i think so
golden loom
prime hull
i dont think you need to track blindside per say, since mutilate always turns into ambush automatically now
and there isnt really a situation where you would make a decision to ambush instead of do something else if you had a blindside proc
arctic dust
that what I thought, but got it, thank u
prime hull
theres no replacement at all for range checker weakauras right
an addon that displays text if an ability is usable in range?
nimble tartan
can i just say i do not like the new crimson tempest..
after playing with it its actually an L and ratio
spice surge
While it is convenient and nice, i liked multidotting, and am a bit sad to see it gone
nimble tartan
for my brain and also for my current ui its actually much harder for me to tell what i have dotted and not dotted initially
cause in a big pull u ct some and like its harder to tell
fleet pagoda
You can still manually apply bleeds to everything if you want to
nimble tartan
cause im not doin it..u know
probably a new ui issue though..
button feels whack though
prime hull
i just cant get used to the yellow overlays on all my dots
wooden basin
what’s not to like about CT lol wtf
fresh coyote
i just cant get used to the yellow overlays on all my dots
Worst part about the CDM, by far.
prime hull
yeah the yellow overlay is bothering me enough for enevenom i need to duplicate it to my buff bar
cause my brain just auto ignores this overlay
idk why
as soon as i did that, boom im pooling again
actually has so few "essential things" now im gonna have to move up my sprint and shadowstep from the utility set 
fresh coyote
I dont even show my utility bar honestly.
nova aspen
humble verge
bruh
balmy condor
gotta track atrophic poison
humble verge
my blizz damage meter is cooked
wtf is this
its up there
but the cvar is down there
balmy condor
do you have like details or something installed
balmy condor
nah shouldn't matter
balmy condor
if the main addon is turned off, the plugins shouldn't work
humble verge
reload to get bagnon
and it fucked off xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
I PHYSICALLY CANT MOVE THE WINDOW
marsh raven
Am I the only one that can not enter a name to an imported UI setting ?
humble verge
gotta track atrophic poison
gotta track this dih
prime hull
ok this is looking pretty good except for the dumb stance bar workaround i need to use cause stealth is not a trackable buff
analog field
is m+ just falling over? Or I can go in a 10 and feel like playing the game?
I was thinking of trying a bit of outlaw
fresh coyote
no it's pointless
I realised what poison it was.. deleted to stop the embarrassment 🤣