subtlety

[keen dome]

Moth is safe.

Moth / Prism only being 1k away from best is comfy

[analog hearth]

are we not backstabbing first global in dance anymore

[vale pine]

no

we don't backstab in dance anymore

and we don't use storm in dance from what it looks like

its not terrible to do, but seems to be not worth it

[analog hearth]

would u use darkest night if u have it prior to dance so you can first global sec tech or is it better to dance evis ss sectech

[red vortex]

Sectec first based on wowhead

[upper cosmos]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[placid elk]

since there's no more stacking with macabre i think we just want to avoid sitting on sec tech so it comes back in time

[upper cosmos]

where can I find the sims for all 3 specs at? still killing dimi for mounts so I'm trying to see what to pick between the three for prepatch pls and ty ❤️

[placid elk]

for sure SUB unless outlaw is giga buffed, assa is back at 2 min spec and its not that great for dimmy

and you can see sims by typing !fuu

[upper cosmos]

outlaw is mostly what I'm curious about since the stats are similar and the afk talent makes me think it'll finally be good on dimi

[upper cosmos]

it's still the old ones atm

[placid elk]

there are some in the pins

[upper cosmos]

just for sub atm

[teal goblet]

seems. there is almost no min maxing anymore?

[sour horizon]

there will always be min maxing

[placid elk]

yes, min maxing is related to the content not just the rotation

[sour horizon]

bring back clam weaving!

[vale pine]

there might be a bit

mainly around deathstalkers mark/coup de grace

and apex talents

tho overall

things look a lot less exciting

in terms of min/max

[teal goblet]

ye that made sub fun to me is getting those min max windows right

sadly thats gone now

[maiden oar]

im going to miss current sub a ton too

i picked that spec up as a noob and learned the game on it

oh also as an aside i would just like to say ty to everyone in here for being so helpful and wise i went insane this season and in part it is thanks to subroguecord

[crystal bone]

[red flame]

Fr makes me so sad

They should’ve just left it alone 😢

[red vortex]

its kinda just the same but with less buttons

[plush roost]

Tfd is the secret sauce agree. I started manipulating my unseen stacks so id enter packs with coup or 3 stacks and tfd so i could 6/7 stack macabre sec tec at like 10 seconds im dance, massive diff esp if u crit it when playing tea

[red flame]

Removing flag, rupture, symbols of death, danse macabre stacks & using haste instead of having CDR makes it not even close to the same xd

[hazy breach]

I mean haste doesnt really matter

Also its mostly just prepatch, youre probably only running like 13% at most in midnight

[plush roost]

Honestly i think there was a lot of unexplored shroud stuff because rogue wasnt in meta.

In gambit you could play a different goliath pack with 2 casters by shrouding to it that has better count. Instead of the shitty one to the bottom left of the first area.

You could also get more count in murloc area and shroud past the 2 tide guys and supersaison dudes and play dragon room asap.

Priory and floodyg had just utility shrouds, if there was a bit more accessable count in floodgate u could shroud the 3 soldiers on bridge kill electrions and just go without feeling in tank dispel danger.

Ecodome doesnt really have much except a tight sentinel skip.

Streets you can play menagerie without peacekeepers eating your ass and play 2 peace keepers on oasis instead with shroud.

Dawnyb nothing.

Arakara nothing worth shrouding IMO since second area was good count, and DH wanted the third beetle trash onto 2nd boss so no shroud skipping that either.

There is quite a bit of crazy shroud routing in HoA that can go shard shard shard and a ton of trash chaining on halkias but that shit is hard.

[short radish]

do you think though the shroud differences if properly experimented on could have made rogue meta?

that being said it also sounds like a lot of effort wh en you could just DK grip

[plush roost]

Meta? If fdk wasnt jesus maybe.

[short radish]

which probably explains why there wasnt much experiementation

[hazy breach]

The meta specs always feel more mandatory than they are since the routes are optimized around them

[plush roost]

Exactly

[hazy breach]

Like you probably wouldnt pull 2 or 3 houndmasters together in HoA if DK was doodoo

Then you'd route it in another way

But now if you do standard route and dont have DK, it feels like shit

[plush roost]

I legit did some crazy cooking in hoa but houndsmasters on halkias is legit really hard

[hazy breach]

Even dawnbreaker

S1 was optimized around 2 minutes

S3 is not, since you dont have 2 minute specs

[plush roost]

I mean the end game s3 dawnbreaker route

Was just commander mini chain into shadow tact, mini mini boss

It ended up being 3 pulls on boats, 3 pulls on ground

Crazy shit

Shadowwalkers on 2nd boss is pain

They did also add that random ritualist in the fountain area

That just killed all potential variation

[cobalt otter]

Does someone know wether the dinar vendor will be removed with pre patch, so better spend them now, or will he stay?

[sour horizon]

cant say for sure, spend to be safe tbh

[torn tide]

yo what are good trinkets to go into midnight pre patch with?

i still have like 3 of those puzzling chip[s

[hazy breach]

Things that do damage, ie not giving stats

[torn tide]

so araz and ticking then

[jade urchin]

the pinned message has a link with trinket sims, mix and match from there with what u can get

[tropic parrot]

where's the bug list that whispyr referenced eleem put together?

[warm marlin]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

**Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[hazy breach]

Gosh darn it the formatting broke

!bug

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[hazy breach]

[tropic parrot]

ty

[crystal bone]

[vale pine]

ohh, my bad

thanks for fixing it

[swift tinsel]

suppose I should get used to talking in here again lol

[red vortex]

that is not a small list

Secret Technique does not get attributed in logs if the person logging is more than 100 yards away

cant wait to get benched

[latent finch]

This is still a thing rn and also for all other "pet" specs

[bleak night]

That one specifically is far from new

[vale pine]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1463197977433866412/Loot.jpg

[red vortex]

still funny one

double D midnight

[vale pine]

hope thats all correct

XD

i knew it

well give me a sec

[red vortex]

big bonkers

i dont mind it at all

[swift tinsel]

just always run logs yourself

[red vortex]

can never be 100y from yourself

[maiden oar]

tbh u should be using warcraftrecorder anyway

and that thing requires logging

it is so good for vod review

[swift tinsel]

esp when the in-game meters/death log are butt

I've never heard of warcraftrecorder

[maiden oar]

it just records all ur pulls and u can instantly play them back after a wipe

[bleak night]

Its just a way to record your gameplay

[swift tinsel]

ah nice

[maiden oar]

it splits it up by pull and u can search them

[swift tinsel]

so like whats it called, shadowplay/

[bleak night]

But also it doesn't require advanced combat logging so you could technically be using it but not have actual logs available

[red vortex]

nvidea shadowplay

yea

[maiden oar]

yea but u dont have to hit a button to play it back

[swift tinsel]

ooo this sounds very nice

[maiden oar]

it just saves all of them

[swift tinsel]

def looking into that for midnight, thanks for the plug!

[maiden oar]

np it goes crazy

[bleak night]

Yeah its pretty sick

[red vortex]

ye good shout

didnt know it

[bleak night]

Our raid leader has it set up so the guild can all upload their povs

[swift tinsel]

oh that sounds super useful

dang

[red vortex]

thats nutty

[bleak night]

I think you have to pay for that part though

[red vortex]

is there a guide somewhere for it?

[swift tinsel]

ah

[hazy breach]

Fwiw this was an issue on razsageth and dathea

So its not a new bug

[red vortex]

yea i member

but found it funny to reply to it

bad humor

happens

[maiden oar]

https://warcraftrecorder.com/

[hazy breach]

[maiden oar]

theres setup on here

[swift tinsel]

will be curious to see what bugs go live today

[hazy breach]

I would be surprised if anything was fixed

[swift tinsel]

ye

would be out of character to sneak fixes in at the last minute

[hazy breach]

Oh whispyr made a video, thats why people are talking so much about the bugs

I see

[swift tinsel]

did he?

oh damn he made a whole video about sub bugs lmao

[hazy breach]

Or well, it got released today

[swift tinsel]

and an outlaw glazing video apparently

oh man does he really go line-by-line from the buglist

oofta

!down

[vale pine]

-.- i did not make a typo

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1463199951252226139/loot_dark.jpg

[vale pine]

but look at this

haha

forgot to deselect before making the screenshot

on a run today

[swift tinsel]

oh wait I get to see if I get a +41 mythic keystone today

[naive pecan]

694 in the vault? 😄

From delves

[vale pine]

lol

right

sounds correct to me

thanks

alright, need to re-do it reguardless

[swift tinsel]

deselect!!

[vale pine]

haha ye

[warm marlin]

warcraftrecorder the goat

insanely good tool for prog

[swift tinsel]

yeah imma be utilizing the shit out of it

[mint swift]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[limber dirge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[crystal bone]

[vale pine]

simulations are in the pins, will start the sheet in the next days after getting live data

[limber dirge]

got it boss

[hollow plinth]

that is quite the rotation

[strange chasm]

Damn human gamers now

[swift tinsel]

can we get bugs that require rotational relogging to fix plz

I don't wanna miss out

[crystal bone]

what da hell is poison sack

[swift tinsel]

ticking sack of terror

[crystal bone]

from the market?

[swift tinsel]

ye

[crystal bone]

shit i think i vendored that

[swift tinsel]

ope

[crystal bone]

item restoration surely saves me

wait it wont be mythic version tho ah w/e

[vale pine]

i am unsure if you are joking or not ^^

do you happen to know if Haranir is already implemented

the race boni seem fairly straight forward, so i assume they are parsed by default

i wanted to check but well

[hollow plinth]

i think not

[vale pine]

i probably need to do two profilesets for races with haranir

because it has a "deal 1 % more damage to enemy type"

so i need to change the target race type

[hazy breach]

It was 1% more crit damage and a on-use damage effect was it not?

[hazy breach]

Ye circlejerking over how hard our specs are is no longer an option I'm afraid

[bleak night]

i'll find a way

[hollow plinth]

Outlaw can't do that either anymore

You said that and I can't read

[hazy breach]

Ye ik

[umbral bolt]

Hello

Please, any guides for Prepatch?

[swift tinsel]

wowhead is updated for prepatch

there is also some info in the pins in here

[vale pine]

• • 1% higher crit damage
• +1% damage against Abberations, Beasts, and Elementals
• AoE damage/healing spell on a 3 minute cooldown

[slate lantern]

it was the only thing i had going for me...

[swift tinsel]

no more cj, back to the goon cave I go

[pearl swan]

maghar no longer best race?

[slate lantern]

never was, ugly as sin

[warm marlin]

i wouldnt make conclusions yet

[vale pine]

in pre patch human seems to be one of the best

but also, midnight might be diffrent

and long term we potentially see best race shifting

dwarf was for the majority of time one of the best races even if it wasn't always the absolute nr. 1

[strange chasm]

No race changing yet until midnight

Pre patch human could be good but then blizzard realizes the haste thing is terrible and changes it

[hazy breach]

I do not think that is happening, the only haste thing i could see changed is sectech hasted cd

But deepening is probably staying.

Or well, if they fix the sht bugs were probably drowning in combo poitns and then haste is worse

So that could work too ig

[swift tinsel]

I'm still holding out hope for blades granting sectech charge/use

but agreed I'd like them to look at/change hasted sectech cd

could be like shot in the dark or havoc apex with blade dance

[serene notch]

I am maybe a little salty @hazy breach had to point out my goblin gamer was not a big brain play cause 1% haste does nothing since it’s not stats……

[slate lantern]

goblin is meta tho because of stealth animation

[serene notch]

I wanted my cake and eat it too

[fallow nimbus]

are the 30-35% haste ment as raw haste?

or with stacked haste from talents, etc

how does the radiance embellishment work? i get crit everytime just hitting a dummy with dance

i have like 8k crit vs 21k mastery

[fleet acorn]

midnight ui done

[vale pine]

oh, thats where symbols of death went

[fleet acorn]

y we still have symbols in eu gonna change soon 🙂

[cursive vapor]

enjoyin symbols and rupture and flag for the last moments

[vale pine]

and cdr

[cursive vapor]

ah ye

[fleet acorn]

to be honest prob cleanest ui ever xxd

[cursive vapor]

I refreshed mine and yea it is cleaner now

[tropic pier]

wait is the stat squish happening with prepatch as well

or only midnight

[swift tinsel]

ye prepatch

[rocky lake]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/packwatch-ripbozo-pitalonzo-alex-lafreniere-alex-iafreniere-gif-18890780

[bleak wind]

can you use the puzzling cartel chips in pre-patch?

[tropic pier]

https://tenor.com/bJ6KW20F8wn.gif

[polar hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-squidward-begging-beg-begging-beggar-gif-6977758644783718467

buttons to press?

could you spare some buttons?

[swift tinsel]

nah things are better without redundant cd buttons

plus rupture had like zero value

[slate lantern]

NA beta testers will tell you

[bleak night]

[fervent elm]

couldnt have it any other way

[alpine wraith]

im also waiting for them to tell me if you can still upgrade

and buy enchanted crests

[violet palm]

Hey, @vale pine . Can you please clarify, your wowhead guide in BiS section ring 2 is Vesr Mastery ring, however, enchant shows different ring instead of an actual enchant

[swift tinsel]

RIP Midnight Sub channel

https://tenor.com/view/ok-gif-26107516

in response to your bring back flag message

[graceful rock]

I don’t think I’ve typed in here in a while

[swift tinsel]

I will go Madara vs the Shinobi Alliance on flag if it comes back

[red vortex]

yo who was last

on that channel

did i get it?

[swift tinsel]

Obi lol

[red vortex]

shjii

[fervent elm]

wasnt it haptics with the skateboard

[swift tinsel]

nah I wish lol

[fervent elm]

thats the last i saw

[swift tinsel]

that was like 15 sec before it close on me at least

last I saw was their 'bring back flag' and I tried replying with that gif and it said it couldn't be delivered

[fervent elm]

it was delivered to me dont worry

[swift tinsel]

and theirs was the last message I saw go through

[fervent elm]

well if we have different answers maybe the mods are the only ones with the real answer

[graceful rock]

W

[vale pine]

sorry, i am not sure what you asked for

what ring is wrong?

ohh, the enchant id

fixed, but you should just sim your enchants

[slate lantern]

and let the robots take over? i don't think so

[woeful wren]

I see it’s looking like a trickster angle again for m+ is singular focus too weak to make us a prio monster in funnel?

[hazy breach]

Either is fine

[plush roost]

I forgot to check and also ask but does troll racial apply to dance duration

Or is it also under the racial no workies rule

[hazy breach]

It gives +10% haste, not +440 haste

If it doesnt give stats it does not work. So maghar orc would work, but berserk, PI or BL does not

[plush roost]

I see i see

Maghar reigns supreme again pog

[slate marlin]

make morc racial 90 seconds

[hazy breach]

From my sims by far the highest simming race is not maghar

Its mechagnome

[plush roost]

No...

[hazy breach]

Like +0.5% higher

[plush roost]

Say it aint so

Fluuuufff thats actually a lot

[slate marlin]

who cares

[plush roost]

I do i raid HoF

Lol

[slate marlin]

.5% is nowhere near enough to make anyone play mechagnome

[hazy breach]

But in practice burst from orc/maghar probably ends up better anyway

And for aoe dwarf too stronk

[slate marlin]

how much would having maghar every 90 seconds be?

is there a way to sim that?

[warm marlin]

yes fear not charrend our fattie burst will warrant maghar

just u wait

[plush roost]

Truth!

Prayge

Hows dwarf crit dam simming

Middle of pack?

[plush roost]

And surely maghar on assa is close to BiS

Copium

[hazy breach]

Generally the agility ones tend to sim higher at the start of the expac

While the secondary ones tend to sim higher at the end of an expac

[plush roost]

Oh i forgot, hows haraniir lookin?

That racial seemed really strong from reading

[hazy breach]

Idk probably fine, its not implemented

[plush roost]

Tuff

[slate marlin]

its only 1% crit dmg, and ill go ahead and assume the active is meh

damage/healing wise

[left ledge]

ARE WE PUMPED

FOR PREPATCH SUB ROGUE

[lilac stag]

Healing was almost 40% of health on beta

[left ledge]

WE'RE GOING TO LOSE REFUNDS

[plush roost]

Damn 40% is nuts

[slate marlin]

40% healing? wtf

[plush roost]

Crimson vial could neve4

Hehe

[slate marlin]

cant wait for no raids to have 20 haranir and no healers

[lilac stag]

I didn’t look at it recently but it seemed quite good

[red vortex]

o7 WA🫡

[lilac stag]

NA beta test delay #1

[swift tinsel]

Hellll yeah lfg

[steel horizon]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[alpine wraith]

so did you end up being able to still upgrade na people?

[lilac stag]

NA won’t be up for another 2+ hours

[rustic mortar]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[short radish]

NA sleeping in

[alpine wraith]

it was 2 hours 2 hours ago!

[short radish]

extended another 2 hours

[slate marlin]

and its 2 hours now!

thats consistency

w blizzard

[alpine wraith]

blizz the masters of time

actually i will log on to upgrade shit and get the crests anyway

[short radish]

much more accurate than valve time

[alpine wraith]

i just wanted to be lazy

[slate marlin]

you can still get crests and shit in prepatch right?

[short radish]

who knows

not NA that's for sure

[spice matrix]

30% Haste

[short radish]

im so fucked

[supple verge]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[short radish]

i have almost 0 haste

time to quit

[rustic mortar]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[short radish]

season is done for me

[slate marlin]

its like 15% for aoe

30 if you want to raid

or do raid, regardless if u want or not

[fluid moth]

i love how haste went from being 'avoid at all costs' to 'god tier'

[hazy breach]

Wouldnt really say its godtier

[pliant topaz]

well well well looks like we're all back in here

missed this channel

[alpine wraith]

yea gap in awe

of the 10 messages per hour

maybe

sometimes

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/snatch-turkish-five-minutes-5-minutes-two-minutes-gif-14210052574209496469

[pliant topaz]

hey its better than 1 message a day

we take those

[swift tinsel]

Does this mean we can talk about Shogun and gooning again

[lilac stag]

It’ll drop back down after the cata/wod/legion returners leave

[pliant topaz]

ofcourse! thats why im here

[wind canopy]

[swift tinsel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401847794156961792/1377237934234796032/caption.gif

[pliant topaz]

HIIII

https://tenor.com/view/happy-dog-good-boy-im-happy-auau-tail-between-legs-gif-25192520

[severe linden]

Sub represent

[alpine wraith]

we are dozens

[lucid jackal]

Patch is live

[alpine wraith]

check upgrades pls

[swift tinsel]

servers still down

[hazy breach]

I updated #subtlety-faq a bit for those interested, its mostly the same as the things that were in the pin but the other specs had tons of stuff in there so i couldnt let sub stay bare

[tribal blade]

boy am i happy i woke up early this morning to look at the servers still down

[hazy breach]

[chrome palm]

Last this didnt count multi spec rogue titles but I don’t think anyone was really swapping specs between keys this season

[swift tinsel]

do we get the mythical double extendo

[tribal blade]

hell yeah dust

[swift tinsel]

will find out in like 5mins probs lol

[shrewd lantern]

do people actually care enough to play prepatch

i thought it was set up ui

wait for midnight

[tribal blade]

yes our guild has to get people mounts

so we're playing

we also have 3 trials

[swift tinsel]

I mean raid/dungeon content in prepatch means nothing really just vibes

[slate lantern]

Gotta try out the new specs

[shrewd lantern]

i have a reason to buy dimmy ring now

due to haste

[bleak night]

transmogs and pets from prepatch event

[tribal blade]

make sure you buy screams trink first if you don't have it

[fervent elm]

doesnt the event for prepatch start next week

[tribal blade]

i bought dimmy ring with my last dinar and fucked myself /cry

[swift tinsel]

I didn't even know there was an event lol

[bleak night]

probably

[tribal blade]

yes

next reset

[bleak night]

i havent even reinstalled the game yet

[shrewd lantern]

well ill have to check what was in my vault

[swift tinsel]

I should do that arator quest thing

probs won't though lol

[bleak night]

its pretty boring

[swift tinsel]

ye I figured it was pretty meh

[slate lantern]

Arator? I hardly know 'er!

[severe linden]

lol

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/amy-santiago-gotcha-title-of-your-sextape-brooklyn-nine-nine-b99-gif-16002077

[severe linden]

2 fast 2 furious

[swift tinsel]

another hour extendo

[alpine wraith]

at this time eu will be up before NA

[shrewd lantern]

i havent even checked what spec is good for prepatch

[bleak night]

i hope they extend maintenance until midnight

[shrewd lantern]

real

[swift tinsel]

well just means another episode of X-Files that I can pay full attention to

[tidal marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-vault-boy-cool-sunglasses-gif-25486020

[sour horizon]

well i just woke up and its barely middle of the day

[chrome palm]

Blizzard mercifully delaying the butchering of sub another hour

[swift tinsel]

no apex/full hero tree sub certainly a vibe of some kind

[tribal blade]

on a fun note this tank who left our guild because he thought we weren't progging fast enough had to watch the NEW guild he abandoned for the some reason after us get dimmy down last night

[sour horizon]

xD

[tribal blade]

so he borked 2 chances at getting CE

because he's an idiot

[lethal gale]

should sims be working once us is live? just wanted to see if i should regem all haste

[hazy breach]

Working - Yes
Working Perfectly - Probably not

[tribal blade]

you're gonna need more than just regemming

[hazy breach]

"need" is a strong word

[tribal blade]

haha fair

[hazy breach]

Ok now ive updated the #subtlety-faq fr, with formatting that actually looks alright

[sour horizon]

no no hes gonna need haste gems, just let me get the AH loaded up first tbh

[chrome palm]

Holy the faq channel is back

[lethal gale]

im dumb and didnt keep any haste gear lol

[chrome palm]

Sub might be saved

[tribal blade]

dw it's just prepatch

[hazy breach]

The others put stuff in there, didnt want it to look abandoned in comparison

[chrome palm]

The faq channel has never tried to show me ads LOL

That’s why I loved it so much

[sour horizon]

there can be ads?

[plush roost]

On wowhead

[tribal blade]

awesome, it's really clear

[eager latch]

is SIMC updated so I can sim gear recrafts?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[eager latch]

Thank you my prince

[hazy breach]

But dont be upset if we find something wrong with it and stuff changes

[eager latch]

surely it works perfectly without issue from the get-go?

[hazy breach]

I mean it doesnt matter if it works perfectly, if the game is buggy but simc is working perfectly then its still wrong

[west tide]

guys i want to do sub on reclear just to have some fun but idk which bosses to trickster or dm..

if only there was a guide...

[swift tinsel]

or a place for frequently asked questions

if its just to have some fun just vibe out

[faint rivet]

But it says it was updated 20 min ago, surely that's outdated

[swift tinsel]

shit damn u rite

[hazy breach]

Not anymore

Also if you find something else that you think should be in the "Common questions" section lmk

[swift tinsel]

is there a target threshold for skipping dn in aoe or just always do that

[hazy breach]

Simc said 3 was the threshold to skip, but im suspicious of that

[swift tinsel]

hmm yeah

lil sus

[hazy breach]

Probably more like 4-5, but especially without apex its def not 3

I could see you skip if Apex is up, but otherwise use it on like <5

[fair stump]

Do we have apex on pre patch?

[hazy breach]

No

You gain them as you level

[fair stump]

Oh shucks

I wanted to test that

Why is trickster equal to DS with apex?

[hazy breach]

Well its also more talents

Not just apex

[fair stump]

Oh, I thought apex impacted directly to tricksters dmg

[hazy breach]

Trickster does interact better with the Apex as well, but it kinda doesnt matter as theyre designed with the Apex in mind

Its just prepatch thats going to be jank

[swift tinsel]

servers up

now to fight login screen boss

@alpine wraith can still upgrade

[sour horizon]

all my mogs have been reset! 😠

[swift tinsel]

can also purchase enchanted crests

[sour horizon]

@quick marlin can still upgrade gear 🙂

[tribal blade]

SERVERS COMING UP

[quick marlin]

tyty

[swift tinsel]

oh shit gotta check velf quick

idk if I have one lol

[sour horizon]

ah shit velf buying the outfits doesnt have the discount lol

[swift tinsel]

ope

[sour horizon]

first one i logged into lol

[swift tinsel]

gonna check a few bugs quick too

nvm servers imploding lol

[tribal blade]

yeah our server is going down again

[swift tinsel]

I get like 80% through login screen then dc after getting booted

[serene notch]

grats to the sub rouges who made it

[sacred sundial]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

no fixes from what I can see

sht gaff

[vale hull]

is mythic plus still available to test rogue specs?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[vale hull]

any idea which spec is actually better?

[hazy breach]

Its prepatch, everything is gonna be tuned to be pisseasy either way

But no

[swift tinsel]

oh nice, if you're looking for your old saved transmog sets they're under custom

no +41 vault key sadge

[summer lynx]

No more backstab in shadow dance?

[eager latch]

is there an upper limit to haste for raid?

[swift tinsel]

nope

[eager latch]

or do we just stack the shit out of it as much as we can

oh nvm I just checked the pins like a good noodle

[hazy breach]

Theres also #subtlety-faq

[eager latch]

thanks eleem

i apologize for the redundant questions, it's been a long day

and i'm just an eager beaver

[tribal blade]

huh raidbots not working for me

[woeful wren]

@hazy breach is deepening shadows worth when ur not stacking haste for an M+ build?

[eager latch]

sub gear gonna be looking like old outlaw gear

[swift tinsel]

Lol rupture and sod still in cdm

[eager latch]

preview of the banger .5 rework?

[tribal blade]

i'm on latest trying to do topgear

[hazy breach]

Yes

Even with a very low amount of haste youre still getting an extra global in dance

[woeful wren]

Ig u need like 5%? to make it go 11 sec dance

or what

[hazy breach]

You dont need it to go to 7

You need it to be like ~6.2 instead of 6

[woeful wren]

ohhh

true

does pot haste work towards it

[hazy breach]

Yes

If it is +X amount of haste it works

If it is x% it does not work

[left ledge]

yo guys

did sims get higher than 41k

42*

is 42k even decent i legit dont know what any other spec sims for

[barren wren]

is there any addon for better combo points anyone uses ?

[astral axle]

Why is nerubar

soloable

what the hell

[bleak night]

huh

hodl

do i have to log in and farm transmog

[astral axle]

lmao

[swift tinsel]

lmafo tf

[bleak night]

[spice matrix]

log in guys Sub is sick

[astral axle]

literal one shotting

[tribal blade]

still have this issue from the beta for some reason

[astral axle]

minor correction:

[pale rock]

This is the wow ui setup yea?

[sage spoke]

anyone feel like they have energy issues?

[sour horizon]

yeah

cept in dance

[sage spoke]

right

[swift tinsel]

that's sub

[sage spoke]

is that how its gonna be?

[swift tinsel]

that's how it is now

[sage spoke]

....

[hazy breach]

Thats how it was before too mostly

[swift tinsel]

that part hasn't changed

yeah

[sour horizon]

in aoe mostly feels lil slow

[steel horizon]

damn we a 2 button class now leggo

[sage spoke]

sick

[steel horizon]

its classic wow all over again

[pale rock]

It really, really feels this way, esp with outlaw

[fossil holly]

wat happen to all my abilities

[uneven scarab]

i press blades i dance i secret tech, i get to my second dance and i get sad

[fossil holly]

this play is boring af

[pale rock]

Simplified to the point of being a hack and slash spec

Press A for fast attacks, and B for Heavy attacks ass rotations now

[halcyon path]

wait until yall see the bug list

[fossil holly]

they made a single button assistant just to reduce me to two buttons anyway lol

[sour horizon]

worse thing so far is Blizz put me back into trade chat 😠

[short radish]

oh no we're going to get nerf'd

[pale rock]

how is m dimensius now?

[short radish]

no idea just got linked the log

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BjLYc6tTXxFJmRfr?fight=last&type=damage-done

4.5 min fight

so should be kinda easy?

im told the raid is 2healable as well

[hazy breach]

Everything is supposed to be piss easy

[pale rock]

mounts still %100 drop?

[hazy breach]

Thats how prepatches work

Yes

[pale rock]

gotchya

[half knoll]

symbols of death come back 🙁

[zenith mirage]

[pale rock]

I straight up didnt even realise they removed symbols as well, as rupture

my god

[waxen escarp]

cold blood

[short radish]

i dont have the trinket

[half knoll]

cold blood is just a passive that procs every 3 microseconds now and if i understand correctly it only adds a 10% chance to crit? not 100%?

[zenith mirage]

wonder how dimensius trinket numbers r gonna look lke

this one is a fucking banger tho since its onuse

+raw haste

[copper linden]

hows sub lookin?

[eager latch]

can't even recraft cus of AH buggin out

[spice matrix]

look up

[eager latch]

feels bad man

[fossil holly]

they turned us into DHs except less mobile

[leaden thunder]

do we use shuriken storm in ST with silent storm?

[lucid jackal]

what does that mean

[lilac stag]

we blasting, it;s fun

[sour horizon]

we all blind and cant read

[short radish]

we've always been that

[rancid minnow]

do you need improved secret technique to use disorienting strikes?

mine is red and says requires talent

[spice matrix]

we Deathstalker (for now)

[lilac stag]

expect 2 weeks of OMG where are my buttons

[hazy breach]

Still works,just a visual bug

[lucid jackal]

it doesnt make sense to call DH easy is more my point

[bleak night]

why do i only have one charge of feint o.o

[tribal blade]

wait are we popping dance before pulls to get supercharger

[eager latch]

you talented into double charge?

[swift tinsel]

I don't see why not

[bleak night]

damn

faq build doesnt talent double feint

unusable

[lethal gale]

sub is probably just looking good cause these kill times lol

[bleak night]

i legit didnt evne realize it was a talent and not baseline ngl

[eager latch]

will i be down horrendous if I just keep using prism + forge

[lilac stag]

yes

[eager latch]

man that trinket dropped on our last week m dimmy rekill

and i passed on it

😡

[lilac stag]

thats also shit

kill times are fast

[eager latch]

i don't even know whyI'm stressin so mujch

i'll prolly just keep playing beta

[tribal blade]

wait what do you drop for double feint

i just dropped iron stomach

[eager latch]

yeah i think that's the move

[tribal blade]

btw danger sense seems pretty good

[strange chasm]

Kill timers are insane

2 minutes

[eager latch]

uhhh based?

[hazy breach]

Mb I'll fix tmrw

[eager latch]

lmao normal has 30 sec kill timers

[tribal blade]

antenna still bad on dimmy or nah

just gonna run hero cosmic hunt instead

[upper cosmos]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tame terrace]

is ds rec just for pure st?

[tribal blade]

seems fine on cleave too

doesn't matter

bosses are blowing up

[tame terrace]

yuh, just incase they decide to change the tuning

[strange chasm]

4 minute dim kill

is fastest so far

god damn

[tribal blade]

trickster supposed to be slightly better on cleave

[tribal blade]

SHEEEEESH

[eager latch]

4 min dimmy is fucking crazy

[strange chasm]

with 4 healers

[lilac stag]

doing the real struggle

[west tide]

guys do we stil backstab in dance one time]

lmaoo

[lilac stag]

no

pins

[tribal blade]

does default UI still not track FW

BS

[frigid depot]

Yo can anyone tell me why im not getting cp from storm?

[floral geyser]

how do i make this personal resource bar move and not so big

[sour horizon]

edit mode

but tbh addons do it better

[spice matrix]

welcome back thought you were outlaw now

[west tide]

guyss its caue i was sin and i got mogged so hard by my friends

i panicked then went sub

and i did more but still got mogged

its over

i try law now

[floral geyser]

which addons do i use now

[floral geyser]

is rogue screwed for the expac?

[cedar willow]

Yes, we’re about to close this discord, expac ded

[floral geyser]

damn

[fervent elm]

closed until we get our... retribution

[sour horizon]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/betterblizzframes

pretty that was the one used for resources

[strange chasm]

nephui seems pretty decent

[thick jasper]

bbf has so much

buff filter is big one

[lilac stag]

Storm buff was perma showing. Have to look at it later.

[tribal blade]

oh weird

i can't figure out how sapdo is doing infinitely more dmg than everyone else

[west tide]

u see this guy https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BjLYc6tTXxFJmRfr?fight=21&type=damage-done

lmfaoo

[tribal blade]

with the same amount of casts

[west tide]

how he doin thatt he cranked like that on dimmy too

[tribal blade]

i have no idea

is it a bug on the report or something

[west tide]

no bug on the report or anything

[tribal blade]

because i looked at a fight where we had almost identical casts

and he's doing like double the dmg on almost all casts

or maybe i just suck

no idea

i didn't play well

[floral geyser]

i can't find an addon to make my personal resource display fixed

iot looks dumb adn big

[west tide]

idk he doesnt have sockets on his rings and no enchant on one

lmaooo

somethin fishy goin on hmm

[lilac stag]

Are you supercharging prepull?

[tribal blade]

i forgot on most fights but it's definitely not that

he's doing like double the dmg of everyone else

on some fights

mythic frac

[strange chasm]

Yeah something is sus

[tribal blade]

doing doube everyone else seems insane

[west tide]

well the guy is not a super strong player lookin at his previous tiers

maybe its that embellish

[willow pawn]

in our blades window, we send second dance wityhout tech right

[tribal blade]

not sure tbh, my guess is yes

if you have enough haste i think you can clip sectec aroudn the middle of 2nd dance or so

if i had been playing better tonight i would know for sure

[ripe flame]

That do be looking kinda sussy

[waxen escarp]

is there any value in dance macabre shuriken/powders in st

[tribal blade]

not right now no

[blazing yew]

i think that was removed? or im blind

[tribal blade]

after testing they found out it's not worht

[willow pawn]

yah idk about haste gear in bags as sub this season

[tribal blade]

lol true

[floral geyser]

anyone got a cool UI i can copy (code)

[willow pawn]

and AH not working

[floral geyser]

dunno how to set up this blizz shit

oor is there a site tha thas them

[formal osprey]

Hi its me

I bought the Dimmy ring after finishing my turbo boost quest after Dimmy kill. I tried to recraft before raid but AH broken. Equipped projector cause it was in vault and had haste. Idk why my damage is high if someone figures it out then lmk

Honestly assumed sub rogue was broken during raid cause of pre patch shenanigans and didn't think much of it

Our frost dk swapped unholy on fract and started doing comparable damage

Embellish is the only thing I can think of. The projector is doing way more than I thought it would

[warm marlin]

incorrect scaling on the vers embellish seems like a likely cause

[formal osprey]

Maybe giving pre squish vers idk

[fickle mason]

can we buy from ah

[echo nebula]

does anyone else's auto attack do some really seemingly bugged amount of damage? i thought they buffed auto attacks. had 97k total damage with auto attacks in a +20 eco while my unholy dk did 1.8M with auto attacks

[swift tinsel]

Send help I’m enjoying voidman spec

[wheat edge]

unholy DK probably have their pets count as autos aswell?

[viscid barn]

Yeah this

[slate lantern]

Unholy is also looking strong af

[full umbra]

I had 1.8mil as Brewmaster

vs his 97k

[echo nebula]

no their pets auto attack was separated out into different items on the damage meter

must be bugged. definitely wasnt like this on beta

[viscid barn]

idk must have been weird damage then cause my melee damage is on par with others

[swift tinsel]

It was showing odd values for me as well sometimes

But I was also using details with it

[echo nebula]

ok, so when i try on dummies, the damage seems normal. inside m+ is when it goes to crap. some weird instance scaling thing maybe

in 15 seconds of hitting the dummies i already did 10k damage

with auto attacks

so it makes no sense that in the entire 25m dungeon i did 97k total

[jolly sleet]

EU servs up 😄

[clever delta]

Are we winning

No addons gaming

[twin quartz]

should i be concerned lol

[vagrant fulcrum]

Nah just a relic of sectec being a talent before

They just forgot to get rid of the dependency for this hero talent on the sectec dmg % node

[twin quartz]

well the talent doesnt appear to work

hopefully it does before midnight release

[hexed sluice]

Mine works when I have the improved sec tec node selected, seems they just didnt change the dependancy on that

[summer lynx]

Man does Sub feel lack luster as hell now or is just me?

Does anyone know if sin feels like you're playing a game or just afk waiting?

[pure lily]

right now sin is fine, the apex talents are what forces you to afk and pool

[summer lynx]

Sub just feels so boring.

[shrewd lantern]

I mean thats how sin should be

[pure lily]

sadly whole class feels like shit now

[shrewd lantern]

spec feels wrong to be spamming

[upbeat garden]

Cooldown manager profile where?

[pure lily]

this isn’t shadowlands anymore, friend

[shrewd lantern]

shadowlands sin wasnt even slow

[pure lily]

true

[shrewd lantern]

outlaw is the apm fiend

[chrome palm]

[steady dune]

didnt they reduce outlaws apm quite a bit?

[pure lily]

wotlk was last slow sin spec, but now we probably have less apm than evoker

[shrewd lantern]

idk judging feels by prepatch is beyond dumb

[pure lily]

not that much, AR still gives 0.8global cd, less AR uptime but Outlaw stacks haste now

so same same but different

[shrewd lantern]

raidlog once a week till midnight release

whats the point of prepatch

[pure lily]

beta

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah they simplified rogue too much

meh

[pure lily]

prepatch sin is faster, no afk pooling bc no apex talents

[shrewd lantern]

and here i am thinking sin should have downtime

[pure lily]

sin apex talents basically force you into not playing the game

[shrewd lantern]

just the nature of having specs that play different

[pure lily]

great design thx gurgthock

[shrewd lantern]

spec onetricks are dumb

[pure lily]

yes but no

some downtime is ok sometimes

half of the fight being down time is dumb

[shrewd lantern]

Idk i personally think sin has been too fast

since bfa even

[pure lily]

literally afk after every dual mutilate before envenoming is bad design period

[pure lily]

bfa sin was cracked

[shrewd lantern]

in raid it got boring

double dose snooze

[pure lily]

I griefed my guild at the end swapping to gushing wounds corruption

but i had more fun than all of them combined 🙂

[shrewd lantern]

the fun was full crit with reaping flames

[karmic harbor]

how is sub looking boys?

[shrewd lantern]

idk its kind of beans on prepatch but fine on beta

[pure lily]

dmg big stupid

3 button zug

[karmic harbor]

stupid good or bad

[pure lily]

yes

[karmic harbor]

[shrewd lantern]

every spec is

[karmic harbor]

i have raid in 2 weeks i havent played since october

[pure lily]

vers embellish give bugged vers, a lot of talents are bugged out

squish messed with some procs

sectec funny big haha

[shrewd lantern]

idk we're not raiding this week

maybe next if we got mount buyers

meh

[pure lily]

also u dont press rupture anymore

just zug

now delete slice n dice pls

[shrewd lantern]

you guys track that?

[karmic harbor]

do we have to pay attention to snd now?

[shrewd lantern]

never have

[pure lily]

snd shouldve been deleted like in legion tbh

replaced by nightblade

or w/e that shadow rupture shitshow was called

[serene notch]

why are we Shuriken storming during dance in AOE when shadowstrike does so much more dam?

[shrewd lantern]

well they brought back rupture without bringing back sanguinary vein

[pure lily]

shadowstrike doesnt do more dam on 3+

combo point gen better on shuriken

more spender more funny

[pure lily]

they deleted nightblade to bring rupture back

[shrewd lantern]

i cant wait to get parried on dimmy

[pure lily]

go figure

[shrewd lantern]

and miss trckster

Yeah because this game is full of boomers

it was part of their nostalgia push

[pure lily]

shadow based ninja loses shadow dot spender for a … bleed spender

idk maybe if rogue had some sort of bleed spec they couldve sent rupture to instead..

[shrewd lantern]

You got people cooming over being able to tmog a 1 pixel blue lightning stick

on daggers

go figure

[pure lily]

i feel attacked

still waiting on a maximum saved xmog sets increase

[shrewd lantern]

would be nice in theory

pretending i dont just use the same set since legion

[warm marlin]

there's no way the trickster bug with secret technique talent made it to live

insane

qa where

[shrewd lantern]

there's qa?

[chrome palm]

bro

blades bug on live

trickster bug on live

[warm marlin]

yeah the blades one is really bad but the trickster one is beyond obvious

[chrome palm]

or i can remind you of the biggest issue

subtlety made it to live

[warm marlin]

its a big red symbol when you make your new talents

how is that possibly missed

[strange chasm]

ui is clean now

[chrome palm]

this spec is hot garbage bro

[warm marlin]

they all are

[chrome palm]

outlaw i think is actually enjoyable

im sure they have issues with it but it actually plays and has a rythem to it

sub is just not even a spec

[warm marlin]

i played it once on beta and it felt like 8x lobotomies compared to old

[pure lily]

its ok i can play it on my xbox controller now

with one hand

its great

[chrome palm]

i told my group this like

if i just bind strafe to q and e

im one hand gaming

[shrewd lantern]

well

[chrome palm]

you could probably make a fun spec with just 3 cds

[shrewd lantern]

i got pally elite set using one button assistant

[chrome palm]

if there was literally any thought behind how you used them

[chrome palm]

if they fix energy issues outlaw is a really fun spec

[pure lily]

my group cant find another good rogue bc im insane and also theres only like 8 rogues still raiding mythic out there

i asked to reroll to a void person but they said no

[chrome palm]

hopefully its outlaw in raid

[shrewd lantern]

idk if i get bored of rogue im prob quitting wow

[chrome palm]

as the meta

[shrewd lantern]

other classes i take 30 minutes

[pure lily]

amirdrassil killed my wrist

[shrewd lantern]

before i get bored

[steady dune]

is there even a reason to take a rogue over some other class? We have almost no raid utility

[shrewd lantern]

atro

[pure lily]

but 3% dam red

:))))

[steady dune]

the one poison we do have doesnt apply to enviro damage

[chrome palm]

not a huge amount of that in the new raid

atro looks good on every fight

if nothing else its nice for tanks

[lucid jackal]

I like how atro doesn't work on 1 fight, every other tier and ppl assume its some common thing

[steady dune]

it never applied to environmental damage

[chrome palm]

it doesnt work on the bugs on vorasius which sucks tho

[shrewd lantern]

i like how rogue is rarely bad enough

that its not worth bringing 1

[pure lily]

bring back expose armor

we still have snd just bring back expose armor

pls gurgthock i beg u

[tender zenith]

Sub feels soooo slow now

[shrewd lantern]

tf is that

[pure lily]

castle nathria called

[steady dune]

As long as most attacks are now properly categorized as the boss being the caster, should help out a lot. Im assuming midnight is more like that, like other have said

[shrewd lantern]

4 years ago

5

basically a lifetime

[pure lily]

but it was so bad the last 4 years of being good is barely a compromise

[shrewd lantern]

idk

[pure lily]

idk either im just yapping

[shrewd lantern]

if i had enough free time to raid at a level it mattered

[pure lily]

send help

[shrewd lantern]

sadly i cant be an unemployed student anymore

[pure lily]

i thought making my ui would take me longer but we dont have any buttons so theres nothing to track, so i just play with ui off now and enjoy scenery

[shrewd lantern]

i feel i just geow increasingly detached to anything in wow

outside raid

as time goes on

[pure lily]

macro shadow dance, sectec and shadow blades to every button and teach your cat to slap the keyboard or something

[shrewd lantern]

thats ret pally

even before midnght

[pure lily]

no ret pally actually has defensives

cloak useless since legion

no more smoke bomb in pve

[shrewd lantern]

i have no idea when bomb was a thing

[pure lily]

ret can sac / boo people

bop*

[shrewd lantern]

idk i played hpal and bopped whichever dumb melee player

i didnt like that week

[pure lily]

and feel like they deserve the raid spot

[shrewd lantern]

on their cds

[pure lily]

we’re just melee bm hunters with no pets now

can prob bind our rotation on mousewheek

mousewheel*

[shrewd lantern]

idk i had a friend who only macroed his sac

to sov

"im not pressing that button otherwise its a dps loss"

or anytime someone says "external someone in your raid"

just ping the priest healer

cut the mystery

[pure lily]

depends, are they dracthyr

if not they just wont make it dont bother

[shrewd lantern]

i lost count of how many times i've seen an hpriest

angel form if they dont get externals

[pure lily]

sac the evoker, imagine a company designing an entire class as a mobility cooldown for another class

[shrewd lantern]

i misdirect evokers to give them threat

[pure lily]

cant even tmog the glorified cooldown

[shrewd lantern]

or watch them die on pull

[pure lily]

thats me that one time i tried to play another class than rogue in high keys

[shrewd lantern]

just play dk

[pure lily]

too evil and dead

at least they have a raid buff

[shrewd lantern]

well they write an essay whenever grip isnt good

[pure lily]

bring back slappy hands

[karmic zenith]

I'm not a big fan of having the cold blood effect on my hand constantly.

[shrewd lantern]

i dont even play zoomed in enough to see that

[pure lily]

monkey plays first person cam

full immersion

[shrewd lantern]

mm hunter first person

true fps gaming

[flint yew]

we can mog daggers to 1h swords now

[karmic zenith]

Just tried it and I can still see the cold blood effect if I look down.

[shrewd lantern]

just say you want to mog thunderfury

[pure lily]

i seriously love this i can tmog the outlaw mage tower sword now

[shrewd lantern]

im mogged into the fish mace

[karmic harbor]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Rogue WA's:
Wago.io TWW Rogue
For more specific Rogue WeakAuras, run the !wa command in your preferred specialization channel.

[karmic harbor]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[flint yew]

this is great

[shrewd lantern]

idk rogue looks goofy without daggers

[strange chasm]

Something to do with gear btw. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/X4FvBDfkrzwAKdGM?fight=7&type=damage-done

[tribal blade]

yeah figured it out

was a combo of TW gear and vers embel

had people abusing both things