assassination

[thorn thorn]

No spell reflect either

[sharp viper]

We're you able to spell block it or spell reflect it?

[thorn thorn]

Dont remember tbh

[sharp viper]

I never tanked that dungeon

[thorn thorn]

Important part was he didnt press either

[waxen oyster]

sr is magic dr

regardless

[thorn thorn]

The good news

Is his shield wall had higher uptime than his shield block, so he was at least pressing that

[waxen oyster]

I made a habit on pwar

to outdps rets on bosses

because mfs cant do shit but pad

also why does french sound like nails on chalkboard

[humble verge]

him

[thorn thorn]

If target count is >1, pad

[latent kernel]

bring back dragonflight dinars!

[royal lantern]

do people even know why they existed like that back then

(the answer is no cus wow players are hopeless loot addicts)

[thorn thorn]

To me they existed as easy tmogs

I actually still have a few of the bronze bullions sitting around

[latent kernel]

it just made everything alt friendly + gear faster

[thorn thorn]

Implying it wasnt already mega easy to gear that season without them

I do like the DF dinars more tbh just because im a sucker for weapon tmogs

[royal lantern]

in what world is the game NOT "alt friendly" rn

if anything it is way too much rn lol

tthey vomit gear in your direction for walking 2 feet

[coral ibex]

why is gearing faster a benefit

[latent kernel]

weird to care if other people have gear, doesnt make you worse lol

[royal lantern]

oh go away with your reddit bullshit

[coral ibex]

all these dinars have done from my perspective is shorten wow players already very short attention span

[thorn thorn]

Legion remix ironically

[royal lantern]

dinars in DF existed because it was frking ROTATING RAIDS

1 chance for a piece of gear every 3 weeks

[coral ibex]

turbo boost is bad for the game

[royal lantern]

would not function

so you could buy stuff

[coral ibex]

nobody is happy about having to grind infinite +12 keys for crests

people just think "heehee bigger ilvl" and think turbo boost is good

its probably not even a MUA gain for blizzard since people grind it all out immediately and then stop

[thorn thorn]

People who hate turbo boost are just salty they cant be as lazy as casual players

[coral ibex]

when turbo boost hits all my gear should just automatically be 8/8 myth

[waxen oyster]

turbo boost doesnt do shit

2 days into uncap and im done gearing already

nice retention

[coral ibex]

yea thats my point

its just to make the monkeys happy

[thorn thorn]

Lets the casual andys get their stuff in

No biggie

[latent kernel]

all it does is force people who dont want to raid into raiding for good gear (prism is like 3% increase lol), and it makes me grind for a shit ton of crests

[thorn thorn]

I say that knowing fully that I still havent gotten 3k yet

Too distracted by helldivers

[royal lantern]

yeha lol

like

half the gear was done by up-trading all the non-mythic crests

and then spam +12 keys and now i dont touch m+ again until the expansion is over

10/10

[whole snow]

Turbo boost is the most wildly successful mid season player count retention event blizzard has ever done

Hope this helps

[royal lantern]

what

[coral ibex]

source

[thorn thorn]

Oh hey what are you doing here

[royal lantern]

can we like, get a sorce for that

[whole snow]

Turbo boost is the most wildly successful mid season player count retention event blizzard has ever done

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[royal lantern]

or is it just "i like ilvl go up, so its good"

[whole snow]

I like rogue too

[thorn thorn]

Is DK really that down bad

[royal lantern]

DK and down bad?

[latent kernel]

so imagine your BIS trinkets come from m+, but you have to invest the same amount of time you would raiding to get them lol

[thorn thorn]

You should see unholy on the alpha rn

[coral ibex]

also MAU retention isn't the only way to measure if a system is good for the game

[royal lantern]

you mean the thing that is literally the game for 50% of patches??

[whole snow]

No frost changes

Am bored

[coral ibex]

you could achieve the same effect of getting people to finish CE by making the raid buff scale up over time in addition to stacking up

[thorn thorn]

Bruh frost dont need changes

[coral ibex]

instead of 3% every week make it 3% 4% 5% 6% etc

[thorn thorn]

Spec is perfect

[royal lantern]

and like

do m+ until heroic trinket and then who cares lol, difference doesnt really matter anyway

[whole snow]

Well yeah but I gotta pick a handful of classes to alt next tier

[royal lantern]

oh wow, mythic trinket is 0,4% more overall dmg, world ends now i gues

[whole snow]

Prob warrior rogue and maybe monk in addition to dk

[latent kernel]

dawg the difference for prism and forge from mythic+ trinkets is a lot, and that's without even mentioning the boots

[thorn thorn]

You dont understand I NEED that 0.4% to parse

Its def not because I presed shiv 3 times in a 5 minute encounter

[whole snow]

But either way, obviously it would be better if they made real content for the last couple .5 patches

But turbo boost was extremely popular especially with casual players

[royal lantern]

last time i checked, lilly and prism are literally in the 0,2% range for most classes

[whole snow]

Despite how much they complained about dinars

[latent kernel]

wheres the source big dog

[royal lantern]

my fucking sims when i had the option bettwen them

[thorn thorn]

You can sim it for most classes

The difference isnt that big genuinely

The big difference is from having good on use vs not having one

[latent kernel]

sim boots, prism, and antenna, verses myth track boots, pacemaker, and lily

[thorn thorn]

Like if you have that stupid ass dagger trinket thats a 2m cd from delves

[coral ibex]

why do emplussers act like killing fract every week on heroic to get a hero prism is impossible content

[thorn thorn]

That increases your lowest secondary for 10 whole seconds

[royal lantern]

some people literally use pacemaker on fights where antenjna sucks btw

[thorn thorn]

You will notice getting almost literally anything else

[royal lantern]

but m+ andys gonna m+ andys in the end

[whole snow]

Mplussers act like the moment you invite a 6th person the game explodes

[coral ibex]

[royal lantern]

or how for me the difference bettwen frking NORMAL solhunter boots and mythic was not even 1%

[royal lantern]

bro raid trinkets are EVIL incarnate, its so bad when raid trinkets are good

just ignore everytime m+ gear is the best

remember puzzle box btw

trinket that needed target nerfs for unholy dk

[whole snow]

Back next season too

[thorn thorn]

Ok but genuinely some of them are evil incarnate

Like spy masters

[coral ibex]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5BoUoh6BY1y9if5mrGJyNK

[spice surge]

I love when M+ trinkets are bis too, and you just have to pray you get them from vault

[thorn thorn]

Actually satan in the form of a trinket

[coral ibex]

717 prism/pace is LITERALLY 2.6% LOSS FOR 5M PATCHWERK

[thorn thorn]

I fucking hate trinkets like spy masters

[coral ibex]

ITS UNPLAYABLE

GG

[royal lantern]

wizard trinkets

ofc they are evil

[thorn thorn]

Tru

[royal lantern]

ranged dps are evil by default

[thorn thorn]

The dreaded grind for spoils and skardyns

[coral ibex]

just get skardyn in your week 1 vault wym

[thorn thorn]

Our feral player never once got skardyns in his vault or dropped in any of his GB keys

I had to play an alt and give him a hero one

[coral ibex]

i think i traded 5 hero skardyns and i cant even count how many pacemakers at this point

[whole snow]

I think for all of dragonflight I never once got my mythic bis trinket

Never got a myth puzzlebox

Never got a myth mirror

[thorn thorn]

Puzzlebox is also just another evil trinket

[humble verge]

PauseChamp

[whole snow]

Pb is fine

[high orchid]

I'm a bit confused as to what this talent does, does it mean 2 energy per second, or per tick, or what

[coral ibex]

how long until +12 keys drop myth track

[thorn thorn]

It consumes 2 energy per tick

[whole snow]

PB is fine as long as they remember to remove the unholy modifier*

[latent kernel]

why cry about not getting myth track dungeon trinket out of vault if the hero track isnt a big loss anyways lol

[high orchid]

thanks rox

[thorn thorn]

[royal lantern]

timestrike weapons

CoS ring

[royal lantern]

mechagon rings

[latent kernel]

hero is only 2.6% loss so its fine

[coral ibex]

[coral ibex]

you dont get it

thats literally unplayable

just reroll ur guy entirely

[thorn thorn]

I got skardyns in the first vault of every character I played that season that could use it

[thorn thorn]

Lets fucking go, back to legion

[whole snow]

There’s actually a 0% chance 13 ilvl difference on a trinket is 2.6%

Double hero to double myth has got to be like 1%

[latent kernel]

bro just realized how broken netherprism is lol

[thorn thorn]

[royal lantern]

show the sims

[latent kernel]

not my sims, was quoting something someone else said earlier

[thorn thorn]

Did you know that netherprism is literally a 10% increase if you replace an adventurer trinket with it

Literally unplayable without

[royal lantern]

i dont use trinkets

[thorn thorn]

[royal lantern]

you tell me that a weird crystal somehow gives me mainstat?

sure buddy

crystal girl lol

[thorn thorn]

Technically there is one rock that will give you something

[waxen oyster]

yeah branch

[coral ibex]

717 prism 717 pace vs 730 antenna + 730 prism

[waxen oyster]

fucking wasting my time doing a minigame 40x

for a shitty trinket

[coral ibex]

2.6% on 5m patchwerk

truly unplayable

[whole snow]

That’s without antenna u fucking goober

[coral ibex]

well yea how is an emplusser gonna get antenna

this is assuming only m+ trinkets

[whole snow]

Pugging loomithar like anyone else

[waxen oyster]

real question is why do we pretend

[thorn thorn]

Pacemaker for me

[coral ibex]

717 prism 730 antenna is -1.4%

[waxen oyster]

the actual high end doesnt raid anyway

[thorn thorn]

Raiding make me eepy

[coral ibex]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5BoUoh6BY1y9if5mrGJyNK

you can look at my sim here

[humble verge]

bro is cheating playing maghar

[waxen oyster]

like echo was the best mdi team for years

[humble verge]

🤨

[coral ibex]

cheat deez

[humble verge]

crazy neck

and

[coral ibex]

[humble verge]

ring wtf

versmast and crithaste

[coral ibex]

this sims highest

[humble verge]

waterfrick

is that dagger

😭

[coral ibex]

ive simmed every recraft

[humble verge]

oh

so youve also boiled like

[coral ibex]

I GOT IT WEEK 2 VAULT BRO

[humble verge]

the atlantic ocean

[coral ibex]

730 loom dagger is like +2000 dps

[humble verge]

surely i didnt get my loom dagger first kill

[coral ibex]

within margin

[thorn thorn]

So you are the reason my sim takes 3 fucking hours

[coral ibex]

[humble verge]

LMAO

[coral ibex]

the clanker works for ME

[humble verge]

nooj literally doing

16mil/16mil sims

[waxen oyster]

m+ andys when 1-2 items are good from raid:

[humble verge]

m+ andy?

im no andy

[waxen oyster]

and not when they make other players do their shit content like degens the first 2 weeks

not you

[humble verge]

im a gamer raider

about to go raid svidish

[coral ibex]

my gear is perfect evidence of why there are no bad stats

[thorn thorn]

People who complain about bis items being locked to any particular set of content are just cringe

[waxen oyster]

m+ers complaining about gear is the funniest shit ngl when they make the rest of the playerbase

[humble verge]

honestly

[thorn thorn]

Trinket balance has always been shit

[coral ibex]

you could pick any piece of gear i have on and it looks troll in a vacuum

[humble verge]

i think if i craft like

a ring and a neck

[waxen oyster]

do their terrible content for as many hours as raid

the first few weeks

[humble verge]

id get better sim

[waxen oyster]

just for a lootbox

at the start of the week

[coral ibex]

i just need a real ring and neck

on god

[waxen oyster]

and unlimited hero gear

also didnt they literally just

make an m+ game

go play that

[coral ibex]

fellowship

[thorn thorn]

wow M+ is better

[coral ibex]

no thanks

[thorn thorn]

Fellowship is overhyped

[coral ibex]

playing the assa rogue clone in fellowship just made me want to play my rogue

[thorn thorn]

Its a (somehow) worse version of wow M+

[waxen oyster]

playing fellowship reminds me

why the average player still sucks balls

and its not just wow gear limitation

[thorn thorn]

There is an entire xpac dedicated to making the game easier for casuals coming up

[waxen oyster]

is it not already

[thorn thorn]

Brother

I had a new player that couldnt play holy priest

A spec with 2 mechanics in it to juggle while healing

[waxen oyster]

Hold on i need to pull the

wow has no new players meme

[thorn thorn]

And they rerolled to rdruid because they saw some brainrot tierlist and youtuber that said it was omegabis easy mode crazy strong

[marble wadi]

when do u shiv now im m+

[thorn thorn]

Guess what

They suck ass at that too

Big surprise

[waxen oyster]

real whenever i get a rogue in my pugs as tank with a shitty mog

i intentionally grab another mob at 3%

[thorn thorn]

[waxen oyster]

sometimes ill aim a frontal at healer

if im feeling spicy

[thorn thorn]

But yes, this is not a meme

He could not play holy priest

[waxen oyster]

didnt change

your shiv just lasts slightly longer now

[thorn thorn]

We had 80 deaths in a 7 floodgate because of it since he wanted to try "a real key" (not a +2)

[waxen oyster]

man

[thorn thorn]

And I have the log of that disaster happening for anybody that wants to see it for the shits and giggles

[waxen oyster]

last time i did a floodgate the ranged

yanked me with link into the frontal

real cool

[thorn thorn]

Playing with pugs is like riding an angry horse

You follow their lead and act like you know what they are doing

Even if its stupid as hell

[waxen oyster]

my favorite is inspecting pugs in raid

i witnessed a sub alt replace his 730 soleah with a 704 forge

[thorn thorn]

Do not do that

[waxen oyster]

his other trinket was lily

[thorn thorn]

You see some seriously demonic builds in pug raid

[waxen oyster]

the worst is always

dh players

for me

[thorn thorn]

Mine is always evokers

Any evoker I play with I instantly check their talents and no cappy 40% of them are running some homebrew garbage

[waxen oyster]

yeah people homebrew alot

then follow "bis list" to a T

[thorn thorn]

We had a fun question in wyrmrest last season

"Why is it a bis list if its not best for all builds"

[waxen oyster]

lmao?

[humble verge]

lads

what to play for remix

🤨

[main bridge]

DK

[humble verge]

jaha

[royal lantern]

5th rogue

you are allready cooked

[humble verge]

well

[royal lantern]

just commit into it

[humble verge]

so everyone is basically playing

dh, dudu, pal and dk

[royal lantern]

its like 60% DH

lol

[humble verge]

well

more like 20% but

[royal lantern]

turns out, when a Class gets Movment speed from mastery

[royal lantern]

in a mode where stats reach a absurd level

[humble verge]

lol

gigaspeed?

hahaah

[royal lantern]

you look at m+ statistics in the giga meme mode?

bro

[humble verge]

wdym gigamememode

i just pressed the legion remix

and this was shown

[royal lantern]

you can open a raid and its like

50% purple

[humble verge]

xDDDD

so dh it is then?

lul

[royal lantern]

nobody really does m+

cus like

why

[humble verge]

well

i just want to 100% lemix

[royal lantern]

can say "omg i did a +120 key after farming 400% vers xddd" i gues

[humble verge]

LULW

true but

[royal lantern]

thats nothing big

[humble verge]

insane that 1 key giving

[royal lantern]

i shits bronze at you

[humble verge]

70,7m score

lulw

ok

dont shit on me tho

[royal lantern]

like, i had all the Phase 1 mounts and class hall mounts after finishing 2 1/2 zones

not even max level at that point

[humble verge]

jaha

[royal lantern]

literally the only thing that needs a bit of "commitment"

is the "do all raids on mythic" tmog set, and the "do a +30 key" tmog set

[humble verge]

yeye

[royal lantern]

but mythic raids are just LFR anyway

and the +30 can be a easy carry by anyone that has over 100% vers lol

[humble verge]

i want that

lol

Xddd

but like

so the best option is to either play dh or dk

then?

[royal lantern]

like, i literally just did the daily stuff and nothing else, sitt at 120% vers, max gear and everything unlocked

lol

[humble verge]

: D

[royal lantern]

anything with tank, DH is just extra dumb cus they have infinite mobility by default and mastery stacking turns it into infinite+1

[humble verge]

yeye

jaja, lets make a dk then ig

if i wanna play something else id do that

or maybe just go dh meme

[thorn thorn]

Bro is gonna play frost

[night cipher]

full believe and commit to rogue, there's no other class !

[humble verge]

you think im gonna play frost?

[royal lantern]

blue ret paladin lmao

[humble verge]

imma learn uh

[royal lantern]

hold w, press crimson tempest when walking trought enemys

remix done

[humble verge]

or maybe i just

[night cipher]

yep, and have the rest of the group with a boomie, a dh, an UH and maybe a ret

xD

[humble verge]

continue on my rogue

[thorn thorn]

What number rogue will this be uber

[night cipher]

mine's like 6th to max lvl, and way more overall

[humble verge]

well its the 4th one

theoretically

[thorn thorn]

[humble verge]

but i have 5

[thorn thorn]

only 5

[humble verge]

but

crazy cheap flasks rn

watafakk

peeeeeeeeeeeeeeepo

[thorn thorn]

Why is one on a different server

[humble verge]

because its the OG rogue

that i made back in like 2015

and then i went on TW horde

only have 129 days on it

dang, almost have it beat on my main

[pliant remnant]

you need to be put down

in-game

IN-GAME

[humble verge]

you wont catch me

[pure moth]

What addon is this?

[humble verge]

alterego

[thorn thorn]

Nope too late

Already taken out of context

[pure moth]

Thanks

[pliant remnant]

goated GIF

[humble verge]

thats NOT a gif

im dissapointed in you

[thorn thorn]

uber is too old to know what a gif is

[humble verge]

you know what rox

youre a fucking JIF

[thorn thorn]

I love peanut butter

[humble verge]

hot

[thorn thorn]

I do not like that one

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-gif-1499083236050840487

[thorn thorn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/831697407335071804/989501427804147742/gifgit.gif

I am becoming a dh player

[humble verge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006193380549722214/1430562602295103664/image0.gif

[thorn thorn]

It is genuinely so over for me

[humble verge]

surprised i dont have more days played

only 6,5k hours

rookie numbers

[thorn thorn]

You have more time on that one rogue than I do across every character I have played

Seek help uber

Lol

[humble verge]

this is the one ive played in tww

84* of those days are in tww

rest are SL

[thorn thorn]

I think my evoker is like 60 days?

[humble verge]

[thorn thorn]

Basically this entire season I do 1 night of raid and 4 keys across the whole week

[humble verge]

hurb

[thorn thorn]

Season suck

what can I say

[humble verge]

u suk at da game

[thorn thorn]

No u

Gottem

[humble verge]

amdead

[thorn thorn]

Im gonna send you a log of a key I did with my new players

[coral ibex]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mhqGCRYv1Aj4mNQp33RHm8
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p46vjMLZEaKc2VgpoRh7Va

the clanker says my only upgrades are a crit/haste neck, a verse/mast ring, and a crit/mast belt of some kind

[humble verge]

how many fucking

oceans did u boil

to get to this

[coral ibex]

im just running them while i play runescape

[severe meadow]

Playing Leagues?

[coral ibex]

no im just playing my main

doing slayer

[severe meadow]

League was pretty fun, finished everything but the 30 minute inferno clear

Might afk until Sailing now

[coral ibex]

guess my task from my inv

[severe meadow]

This a lot of swaps for anything I usually do xd

Masori, drarok, blowpipe

[severe meadow]

yucky yucky

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-side-eye-meme-tiktok-the-pointer-brothers-gif-13730785519279791710

[coral ibex]

thats the tick rate

[severe meadow]

I was about to say

[coral ibex]

i like doing torms for greater demon tasks

[severe meadow]

Sucks you can't do demonic gorillas instead

Zenyte would go crazy

[coral ibex]

nah these are more fun and the synapses are better money

i got 3 of them when they were 50+m each

[marsh fjord]

The time is going back 1 hour soon 😄

[knotty vapor]

framing this, putting it on my wall

the absolute state of m+

context:

[humble verge]

NA moment

[thorn thorn]

Who willingly invites rogues

[marsh fjord]

Prob someone with a hate towards rogues lol

From 03:00 to 02:00 is always funny to me 😄

[uncut sentinel]

I cannot put up good numbers on bosses in keys

rip

[marsh fjord]

Are these bosses with adds or without adds?

[uncut sentinel]

Without

do we just suck at those

[severe meadow]

Yes

[uncut sentinel]

Like 1.5m less then next dps suck?

[severe meadow]

Hard to compete with pumper classes

Our ST in keys just isn’t that great

[uncut sentinel]

Ok, good to know

[amber brook]

Is the play to just fatebound every boss now except soul hunts?

[severe meadow]

Probably yeah

Even SH is probably fine

@golden loom didn’t you slam FB on Hunters?

[coral ibex]

deathstalker for soulbinder

[severe meadow]

Ah yeah that boss

Adds not dying too fast?

[balmy condor]

If the adds die too fast you play fb for sure

[coral ibex]

you will always be able to pot + cd the 2m adds

hard to imagine you don’t get good aoe there

[balmy condor]

well

[tawdry halo]

Depends if your raid team likes to pad

[balmy condor]

80% of wcl is fatebound on soulbinder now

Deathstalker is just so insanely gigs ass in ST

[haughty flicker]

[crisp sluice]

YOW! Any remixers? Im trying to get bonebreaker artifact appearance in the underbelly

but literally zero rares are spawning in like 30 mins

[balmy condor]

there's a thread in #wow-general

[crisp sluice]

ah mb, tyty

[oak tangle]

haha love the emote

[coral ibex]

typical ele tanking the speedrun smh @humble verge

15:42 eco dome

AND i suck

think of the potential

[balmy condor]

true

[wise plover]

@balmy condor new maple stuff POG ?

my friends said they announce a bunch of shit at maplecon or w.e

[oak tangle]

@balmy condor wanna see australian snow?

[balmy condor]

didn't know you lived on a golf course

[balmy condor]

yeah see the bottom left

that's a nike swish

[oak tangle]

HAHA

[balmy condor]

the top one is a Titleist that's my ball

[oak tangle]

it rained / hailed for approximately 5 mins

[balmy condor]

that sounds like my climate

it rained this morning and then not a cloud in the sky 5 hours later

fuckass microclimate

[oak tangle]

water droplets freezing into that size but you question the raining fish

[balmy condor]

yes

[tawdry halo]

Where tf was this

Also I hope your car was undercover, guarantee the local panel beaters are going to be slammed

[distant hinge]

waht would you sim for Soul hunters Patchwerk 3 boss?

[balmy condor]

yeh that's fine

[distant hinge]

thanks. Looks like for that boss gonna need to recraft to vers mastery... progging Mythic tomorrow

[buoyant herald]

Vers has been much stronger than expected for me all season, haste continues to be meh

Might be better once I replace my sacbrood tho 😬

[distant hinge]

ya for FB its crit crit crit but for DS on Soul hunters just recrafting neck to vers mastery from crit mastery is 100K

200k if i do ring also hmm

[balmy condor]

you'll just be afk waiting for ranged execution to get there

damage check is nonexistent

[oak tangle]

brisbane, cars indoors, but i don't drive anyway so not my car XD

[sharp viper]

that + tank positioning

[brave comet]

!addons

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[brave comet]

!ct

[thorn thorn]

Are you in upside down land

[wide sleet]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[austere radish]

In ?+
Do we crimson tempest on ST
Currently I try to CT while adds are on the boss too, for max DMG %

[golden loom]

in m+ yes you do CT on ST

on pure single target aswell

[cosmic sandal]

whats a m+ details dmg breakdown supposed to look like in m+

[analog field]

CT then caustic then something like rup gar sanguine

[ancient ingot]

guys can someone sent prism wa?

[grim jay]

wdym prism wa

why would you need one

you just macro it on sin

[oak tangle]

i would suggest learning how to make your own weak auras, but that' gonna be irrelevant soon

[ancient ingot]

imean like big buff on ui

[grim jay]

there probably is one on wago, but thats totally unnecessary

and will just eat up screenspace for nothing

[analog field]

I wouldn't be so absolute

in M+ it helps

[grim jay]

not really

[analog field]

it does though

there are packs where you want to DM and not prism

especially in pugs

[grim jay]

yeah and thats a moment to moment decision where you wanna delay it anyways

and you dont need to track

if you didnt delay b4

which you know

[analog field]

yeah but it makes it easier

it is like saying we dont need wA

we don't

but whatever one thinks it makes it easier for him

[grim jay]

no

its like its unnecessary

[analog field]

and tbf the guy didn't ask your opinion just asked for a wa

[grim jay]

no merit

period

[analog field]

lol

why do you track scent ? you dont know how many ruptures you have out ?

so stop being like this and move on

[grim jay]

because its actually relevant

as the stacks change

and you cant just keep track of it normally

by a simple thumb rule

[analog field]

you can, i know i have casted 5 rups

you can't count to 5?

[grim jay]

mobs die

stacks drop

[analog field]

you cant track that ?

skill issue

[grim jay]

yeah you are a skill issue

stop trying to argue for the sake of arguing

[analog field]

stop deciding for others what they find useful

if you can help the guy do

if not just don't answer

no one cares if you find it useful

[grim jay]

and noone cares if you do

nor if you agree with me

its a public chat

grow up

[analog field]

exactly but this guy asked for help

and you said whyu do you need one

[grim jay]

yeah and I told him its useless

which is advise

[analog field]

and before he even answers

[grim jay]

get over it

[analog field]

you tell him he doesnt

no it is not

[grim jay]

it is

ive been helping people here for longer than you have discord

stop arguing

[analog field]

what does this have to do

random arguments

you are right

[grim jay]

you are talking about what is helping and what isnt

it is helping

it is advise

its not up for debate

[analog field]

no advice is explaining something why it can work or why it can't

you just said no

while all top players use it

so no one will take you seriously

[grim jay]

yeah they dont

mostly only if they use 2 on use

[grim jay]

and I dont care what you think at all either

I told him there is one on wago, which answers his question and I added advise

get over it now

its really sad to read

[analog field]

you are baiting right ? someone asked for a wa you started by saying what wa why do you need it. The guy said the big one that count stacks and then you said a there is a wago but you don't need, while he didn't ask if you think he needs it. And you are saying that this is advice and it is not

Believe what you want

[grim jay]

which is advise and I told him its at wago. that is advise and answering a question, there is nothing to debate

not gonna waste any more words on you

you wont get it and try to be a hero

[analog field]

ok you are really baiting so i will ignore you

[midnight scroll]

here you go big man, tracks all the relevant trinkets for this season

https://wago.io/ivp_6-S4k

as well as lust, pot and PI

[ancient ingot]

ty

[static glacier]

normally love you but this whole argument got out of hand

[ancient ingot]

guys my poison cut heal on last mini boss in hoa?

[static glacier]

there's a difference between being right and being wise, you were smart - wisdom is knowing this guy wanted a specific weak aura linked to him

also fwiw a prism tracker can remind you if you forgot to press it

while top right buffs are out of the way / forgettable to check

[grim jay]

it got out of hand as soon as saying that giving advice and answering isnt answering

[static glacier]

if you go back to the very first message

you never actually fulfilled his request

don't get me wrong, you're right on a bunch of what you said

but this just seems unkind

[royal lantern]

no you dummy

wisdom is the caster stat of my drakewarden ranger

[static glacier]

you told him where to find the wa, but that wasn't what he asked for

[grim jay]

told him where to get it, because I couldnt link it. 1 min investment for their own gain while getting guided to exactly what they asked for isnt unkind tbh

[static glacier]

the unkind part is more the argument after

[grim jay]

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime

the argument was with an actually unkind person afterwards that tried to be smart

it wasnt the same guy

[static glacier]

vov has always been relatively reasonable in my experience

[grim jay]

we have opposite experiences ig

tho thats not really relevant for the convo, is it?

[static glacier]

happens

[grim jay]

one can say stupid things once an still be smart

for example

[static glacier]

maybe im projecting here

I find / found myself in your situation a lot

where i'd argue so hard, so sure that im right

that I'd lose sight of what people actually need

be it direct links or acknowledgement that some need things we deem useless

[grim jay]

I answered the question beforehand, so I couldnt really lose sight of it

and the argument was a different person altogether

[static glacier]

you'll understand what I was saying in time

[grim jay]

I understand where you are coming from, but it just wasnt the case

[static glacier]

the cost of being right sometimes isn't worth it

anyways have a great day

[grim jay]

if you wanted to really turn it into something negative, it would at the end of the day still be the same as you guys saying "check x, its in there" where they can read on that issue. the argument was just someone trying to be a hero for no reason at all and it had nothing to do with being right or wrong, I gladly admit being wrong and learn out of something myself.

[grim jay]

u2

[static glacier]

you're welcome to disagree, I wouldn't say vov was being a hero per se, just saying his perspective on stuff

but I get that in the moment it coulda come across in a bad way

[analog field]

huh ?

[static glacier]

you need to remember if you call someone out and they get in defence mode

shit that seems normal to them wont come across in that way

even if the callout to you or me didn't seem off

[analog field]

yeah but i really didn't say anything until the 3rd no

[grim jay]

and I only said no because its wrong

and your comparison didnt work either

[static glacier]

there's deffo routes where you don't send prism on every dm

no harm in a wa tracker to keep track of stacks

[analog field]

yeah my comparison works, one can come and say i don't need to track scent coz i can remember every rupture i put out

[static glacier]

this discussion's issue stems from it being a v subjective thing

you guys have watched rwf kill vids right?

[grim jay]

thats not what I disagreed with

[static glacier]

the ones with switching povs?

notice how some uis are super close to base and others are cooked

same shit with this kinda stuff

some people need the trackers, others use base

im in the first camp

[analog field]

yeah i agree that's why i said a guy can want something that doesn't work or isn't correct 100%

I use the mob count for pulls for example. Is it needed ? does it work for me in some way ? yes

Do most people play without it ? also yes

[static glacier]

also did this guy specify keys?

you deffo do want a prism tracker for this raid

with all the cooked timings some of these fights have and holding

[analog field]

in raid you do ?

i thought m+ would be more useful for holding

but maybe raid can be too

[static glacier]

it depends, at a baseline just macroing is fine since there's no noticable gain in sims from holding and 2min spec

for m+

but in raid with there being 4 (maybe more) fights with intermissions / downtime or time you hold

I see the argument for prism tracking

esp on reclear

when timers aren't set in stone

[grim jay]

in m+ you should know if you delayed prism on the prior DM without cluttering your UI and where in raid do you hold prism and not vanish?

[static glacier]

there's obviously arguments for m+ but it's more esoteric and reliant on your goals / your route and if your team has dmg

[static glacier]

dimmy would be my example

I don't send dm on 1st platform at all

tl;dr how we needed to play to kill it with cds ready for p3 for people

[grim jay]

but you send vanish/prism?

[static glacier]

I send prism, not vanish

i send it on a kb fml

anyways the guy came in explicitly asking for a wa

not if it's right or wrong to use a wa for prism

this is just a different topic that came about

and yall got mean to eachother over it

[grim jay]

its the topic that always comes up and never is an issue if someone asks for something that isnt or might not be needed

and yet again

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime

[static glacier]

thing is teaching him to fish is kinda the same as linking the wa, both send him to wago

[grim jay]

some people genuinely dont know they can get nearly everything on wago

ye but it also did like 80% of the work

[static glacier]

I'd be very surprised if people didn't ever consider that wago is a wa repository

[grim jay]

seen people not knowing it

[static glacier]

on a slightly different topic

will wago continue for midnight? with base ui imports

they dropped any statements yet?

[analog field]

didn't see anything

but now that elvui did the start

[grim jay]

ye didnt see any mentions either

[static glacier]

idk why but the ui changes to me make the game feel smaller

yknow?

ill be glad to be rid of all the nonsense

but losing communities is sad

[grim jay]

I actually have no clue about the blizzard UI thesedays, if its even comparably good or not

I could see them still allowing reskins

[grim jay]

indeed

[royal lantern]

take a gues

[static glacier]

it's surprisingly solid if you outsource the wa stuff to wa

kekw

I use everything base except plater, wa

[royal lantern]

thats literally why ElvUI stops: because you cant lol

[static glacier]

and a few other v specific things like craftsim etc

[royal lantern]

cant interactt with raidframes, cast bars etc.... at all anymore

[analog field]

reskins will be allowed i think

[royal lantern]

everything blocked

[grim jay]

its a WIP what they are allowing and what not from what ive read

[static glacier]

they do really need to let us customise the aesthetic

its actually so ugly and people who care will be fuming

[grim jay]

bigwigs can still reskin stuff

afaik

[analog field]

As i understood elvui loses much of its functionality not all, but they are pissed

[royal lantern]

i mean, it is too late now

the biggest name stopped and wont come back anymore, blizz did a REALLY stupid move with the entire thing there

stuff like WA/ElvUI wont come back anymore because blizz showed that they are willing to nuke everything on a whim

[cunning needle]

yeah i dont think blizzard have realised how much goodwill they've burnt here

but i guess we'll see how big a loss of addons will be next year

maybe its a nothing burger

[grim jay]

I mean elvui only said its on HOLD, until blizz allows certain changes

[static glacier]

ngl I always imagined it as blizzard collaborating with addon devs

[grim jay]

thats not a definitive end

[royal lantern]

even if they do a full 180 now and say "yeha, we wont do it all and keep it like it is right now", the 2 big names allready are gone

[static glacier]

but there's probably legal issues

[grim jay]

saaame

[static glacier]

with accepting help / suggestions from third parties

[cunning needle]

lmao you think blizzard communicates?

[royal lantern]

if you go into the discords, there is near 0 communication

[static glacier]

once upon a time kekw

[royal lantern]

just a constant "trust us"

aka the classic

[grim jay]

#assassination message

[static glacier]

thing is from higher up they're pr trained

they don't want another xelnath

absolutely brilliant dev and had tons of communication

it's what got him fired

[royal lantern]

well yeha, because you need to hire the people for that or make them work under contract

and like

tech development HIRING people? lmao

[grim jay]

honestly communication imo has one big issue for a company aswell. people think that the devs NEED to do what is suggested

and get angry if they dont

[royal lantern]

all microsoft does is layoffs, they aint gonna hire people for wow addon development

[static glacier]

it's not even just that, let's say details sent blizz their code and taught them how to develop it (if they didn't already know from being sent the code)

if blizz then uses that in a commercial endeavour (as wow is) that person could have a case

to claim royalties for their work

therein lies the problem

their

[grim jay]

which is fine

[static glacier]

blizz 1000000% don't want to risk that

[grim jay]

from a business perspective blizz shouldve just bought the addons

way less issues

[static glacier]

tbf it woulda made it infinitely easier

for them

[cunning needle]

that would have cost several of their dollars that they have

[static glacier]

to litterally just bake in and optimise them

[cunning needle]

but also tbh it's not just as easy as buying addons

[static glacier]

instead of homebrewing it

[cunning needle]

afaik the way addons are coded and the way they code the UI are 2 different languages

so its not just a simple port

[static glacier]

consistently they've proven community produced addons are just better

[grim jay]

I mean they can kinda just say sell it, will be useless for midnight because we do it if you dont

and meet them at a fair price

[static glacier]

fair, my point still stands though, look at the combat helper and compare it to hekili, it's just worse

[cunning needle]

end of the day as well

we are the top 10%

rest of the 90% don't give a shit

[static glacier]

ngl, maybe the fix woulda been a class questline

where an npc explains and teaches you how to play

with a lil combat scenario after each lesson to test your understanding / execution

[grim jay]

ngl many people just use the 1 button macro

and they like it

[cunning needle]

yup

[static glacier]

good for them I suppose

[cunning needle]

the amount of people who don't have details as well

[static glacier]

i'd quit the game long before playing like that]

[cunning needle]

that are absolute dogshit

[grim jay]

same

[cunning needle]

but like they still play the game

somehow get into 10s

[static glacier]

I just hope midnight isn't a rs3 moment for wow

for those that remember how much that shit killed runescape back in the day

[royal lantern]

thats a bold claim when literally ElvUI said they cant do it anymore

[cunning needle]

yeah but how many people acutally use elvui

[royal lantern]

MANY people

LOL

[cunning needle]

more or less than the amount of people who get AOTC

[solar wyvern]

Morr

[royal lantern]

do you think ElvUI is some obscure thing not many know about?

[solar wyvern]

Way more

[humble verge]

@coral ibex @thorn thorn

[cunning needle]

tbh i didn't expect that many people use it

but maybe im in the even more minority

[solar wyvern]

My gfs dad who just collects mounts and stuff uses elvui and opie

Hes the definition of hella casual

[humble verge]

idk

i feel the definition of the hella casual wow gamer

doesnt even use addons

but maybe im wrong

[ancient ingot]

guys does Wound Poison working on last mini boss in hoa?

[humble verge]

yes it does

but i feel its insignificant

cause you lose like

90% of your damage

[solar wyvern]

Idk he looked up "how to get more bars in wow" and thats where he learned about those addons

[humble verge]

makes sense ig

i started out by using bartender

[solar wyvern]

Me 2 haha

Bartender, SUF and recount

The holy trinity

And then MSBT later

[analog field]

why so much ?

[static glacier]

He’s exaggerating

In reality it’s much lower

Source: forgot to apply second poison for raidboss

Still significant though, wouldn’t be surprised if it was high single digits

Could sim it if you wanna switch apl

[royal lantern]

i mean, not really

cus there is a difference bettwen no 2nd poison with DtB

and no deadly poison

MANY talents need deadly poison

you cant even spatter with wound poison active

[static glacier]

bro you're not doing to be doing 10% dps

[humble verge]

youre basically only gonna be spamming fok with envenom

[static glacier]

bc you used wound poison on that miniboss

[humble verge]

with wound poison

[static glacier]

it is true you lose spatter though

ngl

it sjust a sub angle

if that boss is an issue

[humble verge]

no

halls is an assa dung tbf

tho just my odd opinion

[static glacier]

both work imo

idk if i'd consider sin notably better

[analog field]

wait

[static glacier]

supposedly sin is the worst spec in that key at high levels for dps, take it with a massive grain of salt though, aggregation sites are committing sins

[analog field]

just swap midfight

[static glacier]

https://mythicstats.com/dps?dungeon=378&period=1034

[analog field]

for 10 sec

[static glacier]

I don't think it stays on that long

but ye it would be swap just on the miniboss

[analog field]

you swap 10 sec before cast

[static glacier]

personally i just don't swap

[analog field]

and then bakc after

itt is an immense dps gain

[static glacier]

I don't really push

done a bunch of 14/15s but that's it

im sure higher teams will cook

[royal lantern]

not 10% ye, but its a absoltely absurd drop

[static glacier]

on that boss for purely boss dmg

im fairly sure it's gonna be like 10-20%

if you're talking aoe dmg onto the lil adds

then ye its gonna be big

[golden loom]

but aoeing the small adds does not matter

why would you care about spatter

all that matters is the dude dying

[royal lantern]

dmg bar go up

wake up sheeple

[analog field]

i mean if you lose for 15-20 sec your spatter but the boss instead of 200m heals for 140 it is a tremendous dps gain no ?

in my mind it is not even close but maybe i am thinking something wrong

[golden loom]

Of course

Mob dying faster > useless padd damage on adds that dont matter on details

The spatter doesnt even funnel

[royal lantern]

tbf, its more like

bruh

every key has a hunter anyway

you know, the guys that have free mortal wounds

[analog field]

i agree but it is not that casting 2 swap poisons in the fight is so difficult

[golden loom]

swapping mid combat sounds weird tho

I just swap to it just as I get through the door -> swap back as soon as he dies

[royal lantern]

wound poison needs to stack btw

cus ofc it has to do that

[analog field]

i have seen that in 10 sec it is ok usually

[royal lantern]

worst mortal wounds in the game

[golden loom]

but yeah I mean if I have someone else in my group with wounds I wouldnt swap ofc

[analog field]

yeah i thought better having spatter for most of the fight but maybe irrele

[golden loom]

if anything you lose prio damage with spatter

cause instead ur CT could tick for longer since that actually funnels

[royal lantern]

or you just do what we did in our +12

kill him before the heal

[frozen jasper]

Anybody know which plater profile this mob-color coding is from?

[analog field]

i'd say quazi but not 100% sure

[thorn thorn]

[granite sentinel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[clever sparrow]

Araz / prism on assassination (ONLY RAID)

[grim jay]

prism only

[latent kernel]

so if i want to craft a ring and i want to know which stats i should take on it, on raidbots if i got to droptimizer it only has the option to select 2 stats, so do i have to go to top gear and duplicate it a bunch of times with different stats to see which one sims the highest?

[tired bloom]

Haste is worst, crit is good for fatebound

But they are all pretty close

I made mastery/versa because I had a lot of crit elsewhere and I also play sub in m+

[brittle garnet]

Real qeustion ,how u guys find people to play with.

I wait 1h signing up until I get in a group then someone fails and its gg , another 1h waiting of signing up

[ancient ingot]

guys maybe someone know why wa doesnt work on tracking potion? his spot just empty

[slim copper]

i need help with cd timing for m araz. If i use kb/dm on cd, then I dont have it up for first damage amp. I could hold during pylon and then dump into him during damage amp. Is that what we are doing?

i guess i could do a KB and hold DM until damage amp

[pure moth]

If you go into the potion icon, is it set to never load?

[slim copper]

::patiently waiting to get roasted for asking about cd timings::

[analog field]

Yes you can send KB on pylon if needed but keep DM and KB for amp

[tired bloom]

I usually play delves and solo content after I'm finished with Lfr. M+ and normal raids with 1-2 friends only

[pure moth]

Can join the recruitment discord and look for people to either raid or do dungeons.

[eternal vortex]

whats the difference in M+ between DS and FB roughly in %?

[golden loom]

20?

idk you dont play fateboud in keys

[eternal vortex]

figured just wanted to know the difference ty tho

[pliant remnant]

Don't

If you know the % difference, you'll gaslight yourself into thinking "hey that's not that bad"

Just don't

[eternal vortex]

im having issues with single target dmg at the moment and trying to figure out something but prob going to switch to a hybrid or cleave build so ill have more pug tanks dont really play around me so my st just sucks

[severe meadow]

Our ST in m+ is just kinda bad

The main solution is have tank pull mobs into boss

You go infinite doing that

[eternal vortex]

might be some delusion that hit me while a random bm hunter just had 6.5-7m dps full st...

on 16s

[severe meadow]

Yeah that's just BM Hunter things

Unfortunately we just don't perform to that level

[eternal vortex]

yeah figured just wanted to try something

[severe meadow]

I'm pretty sure bleed outperforms cleave, even at the 20s

[eternal vortex]

hmm

idk some of these pug tanks just have no idea about some classes

[severe meadow]

Only thing I can say is make some friends and run together

I personally don't push over 12s because I could care less about it

[eternal vortex]

ususally i also stay around that but i have quite a bit of time atm so wanted to see how far i can get, gonna have dimensius killed in the next reset i assume so i have a lot of time afterwards

and i got bored of being sub in keys

[severe meadow]

I usually take a break after obtaining CE, plus there's a lot of games I'd rather be playing rn lol

And school just started today for me so even less time