assassination

[young reef]

idk what this guy is on about

its actually so stupid lmao

if we just didnt have the belt this guy would be pogging over a belt in his vault that would be a marginal upgrade

[zenith elm]

Hi, is wowhead broken?

[cunning needle]

yes

[zenith elm]

ok thanks for the information

[cunning needle]

(i was lying)

[young reef]

i am on wowhead righ tnow

[cunning needle]

is the wowhead in the room with you right now?

[zenith elm]

idk

why it didnt work like yesterday

[cunning needle]

i have heard other people say they cant click properly or something in wowhead

left click not working or something

[zenith elm]

i just refreshed and now it works

[young reef]

i have a hero crit mastery belt sitting in my inventory right now :D

[thorn thorn]

Wowhead comment moment

[grim jay]

It might be the pressure of the ongoing headset dent that didnt readjust because they rarely get fresh air

[young reef]

im so curious about what the guy who said his vault was wasted had in his vault

did he just have like one m +10 completed

30 minutes of my life im never getting back, fuck you blizzard

[zenith elm]

Hahahaha

[lyric gate]

i wish i had a +10 vault someday

but zac never helping me out

[light quarry]

+10 is dangerous key

[frigid lagoon]

Wait are they nerfing disc belt?

[light quarry]

In 11.2.5 yes

a while untill then

[frigid lagoon]

[lyric gate]

im stuck with this shit

[light quarry]

Same ive had bad vaults

[lyric gate]

holy

[light quarry]

[frigid lagoon]

Bros 714

[lyric gate]

well there was a 814 guy before

[light quarry]

and i have crests

[lyric gate]

so 714 is nothing

[light quarry]

Got myth antenna in bag too for when they bugfix assa

Im gonna pump

[frigid lagoon]

How did you convince your rl to give you forgeweaver trinket

[light quarry]

my first vault

[lyric gate]

interesting transmogg

[frigid lagoon]

Damn

[light quarry]

Took the trink to prepare for king/dim myth

[frigid lagoon]

Yuh

[light quarry]

Nike tech enjoyer

[lyric gate]

😄

[light quarry]

Nike tech is only valid mog

[light quarry]

[lyric gate]

summer is over

so i went for the winter nike tech

[light quarry]

Goth Nike tech 🔥

[quiet oar]

I also have those trinkets, but also have Mythic Soul Hunter Boots

[light quarry]

We have gotten every boot except leather

[lyric gate]

icant

[light quarry]

[lyric gate]

same

[quiet oar]

Sadge

[lyric gate]

3 mail last time

[light quarry]

Im also prob not prio on it

Our dh rocking normal boots

[quiet oar]

Nice

(we didnt kill Soul Hunter yet)

We killed Araz and Fractillus last week the first time

[light quarry]

Huge vault then

[lyric gate]

holy

[light quarry]

gz

[lyric gate]

i had to swap guilds

[timid widget]

in the m+ bleed build in ST do u aim to keep ur energy over 50% still or just envenoms

[quiet oar]

Just manifest your Loot in your Vault

[lyric gate]

assa was not performing well enough for my old guild workd rank 1500 btw

[quiet oar]

and you will get what you need

[lyric gate]

so i got benched

[quiet oar]

[light quarry]

My first vault was kinda banger

[quiet oar]

Wtf Araz kill in the first week !?

[light quarry]

[quiet oar]

top 50 gamers

or what

[lyric gate]

bro bought a boost

[quiet oar]

or top 10

[light quarry]

Yeah echo is my daddy

Nah must have been 2nd vault actually, mb

We are not that good

Just good

[quiet oar]

Well 2nd week seems reasonable yeah

[light quarry]

Still good

[quiet oar]

Definitely

[light quarry]

Didnt even have it so I was very happy

[quiet oar]

I got Ritual Forge and Prism on the same evening and both were first kills

i felt so bad for the enhancer who didnt have forge at all

[drowsy zodiac]

Can you do the recraft thing on your ring to save some gildeds?

[lyric gate]

i got benched on my old guild for loomithar cause i was highest sim on antenna

[drowsy zodiac]

Or is it fixed

[quiet oar]

No

that got fixed with S2

[lyric gate]

xd

[light quarry]

Sadly fixed

[frigid lagoon]

Unlucky

[light quarry]

We recleared to king last night and i ended up with head/leg mythic + netherprism

Insane raid

like +200k dps

[quiet oar]

200K dps is huge

I hope we reclear to sould HUnter today and maybe kill them

[lyric gate]

especially on sub

xd

[quiet oar]

So we have Sunday for Nexus King Prog

[light quarry]

yeah nexus king is rough

[inner shard]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[light quarry]

was excepting some sort of nerf tbh by now

but personally liking that its not getting nerfed, makes prog more fun

[quiet oar]

I mean we wont extend until its in kill range

and i think this will take a while

[light quarry]

yeah

We will reclear and skip soul hunters from now on

for fast prog

[rain coral]

guys the i ve seen that the antenna creates orbs, which give your the crit buff.

My question ist do you have to collect them ?

[light quarry]

yes

[rain coral]

to stack the buff and get it faster

but they seem to come at their own as well

[light quarry]

They move towards u so u will automatically collect them aswell, but if u move they can dissapear

They are up for like 20s ish?

[quiet oar]

Tbh why would you. Soul Hunters is guaranteed upgrades with Mythic boots you know

[rain coral]

so how many of them can you stack?

[light quarry]

Depends on ur luck, ive had 5 buff at once

But very rare

1-2 with 30-40% uptime is "normal"?

atleast its been for me

[lyric gate]

i h ad 84% crit

at one point

xd

[amber brook]

Lovely numbers

[light quarry]

Look at the end

[lyric gate]

no fucking way

[rain coral]

nice nice

[light quarry]

Holy shit

[lyric gate]

wtf

[velvet tree]

How much mastery should i be aiming for?

[normal mist]

Sim your gear

There isn't a % or number answer

[velvet tree]

ok thanks, im abit of a pleb when it comes to simming

[normal mist]

It isn't easy how to sim properly yeah

Do you know the basics?

[velvet tree]

i can sim, but dont know how to get it to show ideal gems/enchants etc

[normal mist]

Press the "replace existing enchants/gems" option

And it will sim all the possibilities you choose

[amber brook]

Does aug do lower dmg than tanks?

[light quarry]

@velvet tree simming is ur answer for all classes btw, good thing to know

[velvet tree]

ahhh got it thank you!

[amber brook]

or atleast estimated dmg?

[light quarry]

On details yes, in reality far from it

[amber brook]

Always thought that they would atleast still be higher on details

[lyric gate]

first pull ara

login

[amber brook]

not including the buffs they give

[normal mist]

Stop tanking bro

Smh

[light quarry]

They can absolutely shred on details, but i think its a overall loss for them, on logs they should be like 10% behind the dps, in raid they can even be top dmg in some cases

[fierce sigil]

The question is:
if i wanna sim for the best sockets and enchants…. Do i Choose to Pick fb st specc or ds bleed Build for m+ and which if These i wanna be aiming for 🙈 for m+ its better with more Mastery for st raid more crit and so on….. i am Not Sure What i am aiming for… Gem and enchants whats better for st raid oder m+ 🙈 how Are u guys doing it ? 😂

[normal mist]

Both

Yes

None

[amber brook]

I see

just had my first aug run in a 12

[light quarry]

thats the answer only u can choose to answer

[normal mist]

[amber brook]

oh wait

[jaunty basin]

what plater is everyone running this szn

[amber brook]

Im blind

[light quarry]

Jundies

[normal mist]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[normal mist]

Whispyr

[amber brook]

The semi transparent green bar was way over tank dmg

[light quarry]

yeah its an estimate dmg from details

Not super accurate but gives an idea

[amber brook]

didnt notice it the first time, thats why i was shocked thinking theres no way they are below tank

[light quarry]

augs auging

[fierce sigil]

Hmmm i dont know how good Players Are doing it u know 😂

[light quarry]

During prog i just sim for st because of the raid

Focus on min maxing dungs after

[fierce sigil]

Ok thats a fair answer

[normal mist]

I don't think they really really care OR lots of gold to change everything up

I was simming my character yesterday for both ST and m+ to check crafts and gilded usage... I'll share my conclusions

[fierce sigil]

So in Prog Ur Focus is on best enchants for pure st and After that u can Go for better enchants gems for m+

[light quarry]

Yeah when im more flexable with gear etc aswell

[normal mist]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oYmV3csF6cWGKH8A6MPP9x

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3EGYRR6ddfkis8KWrLh26F

[fierce sigil]

Thank u m8

[light quarry]

Prog is just minmax and be as good as possible for raid

[normal mist]

At least both sims want a ring

So there's that

[light quarry]

720 crafted isnt even dps gain for me anymore

[normal mist]

Oof

[normal mist]

@fierce sigil now you ask me "what are you gonna do??" I'm going to do the ST changes because fuck m+

I wanna parse good in raid

Gotta get some ego for myself

[rich imp]

Does raid bots work with timewalking trinkets like the hungerer

[light quarry]

I think u have to do a gear compare with them

There are timewalking versions of all the trinkets

[lyric gate]

100% crit confirmed

[dawn seal]

Can u guys beat warriors on boss dps

[normal mist]

Sometimes

Depends on the boss

[dawn seal]

Like furry warriors

On loom

[normal mist]

I won the last time in my HC guild run

[dawn seal]

U are cool

[normal mist]

Thanks man

You're cool too

[dawn seal]

Thanks hehe

Time to prog araz

[normal mist]

Jokes aside I don't raid mythic so idk if you're also talking HC or not

[dawn seal]

Mythic

[normal mist]

Good luck homie, you're way ahead of me

[dawn seal]

I play rogue on pug raids

Tho

[normal mist]

I'm an heroic raider tho, can't speak much about mythic 🙁

[dawn seal]

first timed sub on soulbinder yday

My cold blood didn't work

[drifting cedar]

Gotta relog

[fathom flax]

is there something i can actively do to stop my cdr bugging on fate

like spam buttons less or

[drifting cedar]

There is a moment when a coin rolls on screen, whispyr explained it in his video

[broken lion]

!macros

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[fathom flax]

yeah i didnt quite understand it

big dumb idiot

[flint escarp]

is there a way where I can check top assa rogues damage breakdowns and which of their abilities deal the most damage after a boss/dungeon

[heady anvil]

you mean warcraftlogs?

[midnight atlas]

yes, warcraftlogs does that.
spoiler alert: its envenom -> kingsbane -> tails coin

[flint escarp]

thanks ❤️

[midnight atlas]

for dungeons (depends on dungeon) its usually caustic spatter >= crimson tempest > rupture > sanguine blades

[light quarry]

Both being same skill level no u cant

After thier last night hidden hotfix they are insane

[proud charm]

Are we getting fixed soon ?

[light quarry]

surely soon

[tawdry halo]

[fathom flax]

hey i got a 100

(ilvl parse exclusively for boss damage on araz at the less popular spec)

[humble verge]

man

i think im cooked

[normal mist]

A 100 is an 100

[humble verge]

that interview was 50/50

[normal mist]

You think anything went wrong?

[humble verge]

havent really been in like a really structured and question-like interview before

Xdddd

like that atleast

[fathom flax]

is this a wow thing or a job thing

[humble verge]

i dont think ill be able to keep up my 100% interview WR

job thing

[humble verge]

jesus

[wooden radish]

ya cartel flipping the blasphemites

twats

[last skiff]

I buyed 2 times the plan last month

[humble verge]

these were like

500g a week ago :)

also jesus

blasp almost 6k

[normal mist]

Cartels working hard

[severe meadow]

Should’ve told them you’re a top of the line mythic raider and play rogue

Instant win

[humble verge]

real...

[lean plover]

Blasp?

[humble verge]

blasphemite, the 0.15 crit gem

[lean plover]

Wtf

i need to go craft

a fuck ton of em

[humble verge]

im pretty sure people are buying to flip

[lean plover]

I can craft jewelers settings

if it has profit

[humble verge]

they are almost 3k

well nvm

2,5k

but still

[lean plover]

have to check mats prices

But even a slight profit sounds good with multicraft procs

[humble verge]

doesnt look like it

if u have multicraft maybe

blasp itself are 3,5k each

[mortal crystal]

Finally happened, called out for low ST on last boss on Dawnbreaker by the tank. "My DK does more at 704." Well, yes.

[orchid pewter]

Sub angle

[red schooner]

Don't group with idiots angle

[orchid pewter]

Nah

Sub is super fun in dawn

[forest nacelle]

what level dawn O.o?

[red schooner]

Sub is fun but you can also play sub AND not group with idiots

[orchid pewter]

Pull, explosion, fly, pull, explosion

Its great

[orchid pewter]

True

[mortal crystal]

Was a 14. I was 1M above the 2nd dps on overall but I guess my boss dps was the issue

[forest nacelle]

thats crazy

[jade patio]

don't give in

I would be so disappointed in you

[midnight mist]

I mean I won't

I found a team of people that are also one tricks

I sure hope I'm never asked to switch specs anymore

I have been looking for something like this for so long now

[humble verge]

@zenith elm

[midnight mist]

Hopefully it continues well

[humble verge]

you guys are running slightly different comp than wox

but i feel like yours might just be better overall

because they lack shambuff

but then again, they also have mm's mark

[midnight mist]

Eh

I think it just depends on the tier

Last tier we had a better comp imo

This tier MM is super strong

But brew is super strong aswell

[humble verge]

true

[midnight mist]

So I'm unsure which comp is better this tier

[little current]

im a one trick

[stable hamlet]

guys how its ur strict st damage in m+

talking about 14+ keys

[humble verge]

i hover

2,5-3m

[dawn seal]

wait they got a hidden hot fix

[humble verge]

on 15/16s

[dawn seal]

wheere can I read this

[stable hamlet]

so cuz of last boss and swampface

[humble verge]

lost to warlock

[light quarry]

they are like absolutely insane in keys and raid atm

[humble verge]

[stable hamlet]

i lost arround 1.5 mil dps

cuz those fights are fking single target

[light quarry]

basically thier 4set procs on every mob being hit instead of just focus mod now

[stable hamlet]

i mean....

[dawn seal]

wtf

[dawn seal]

surely its fixed

[light quarry]

this is thier dmg on thier worst dungeon

[dawn seal]

surely bliz fix this

[light quarry]

maybe maybe not

but they are insanely strong

[little current]

i really hate it when hotfixes are unannounced

[light quarry]

yeah its super weird

[humble verge]

what in the hell is that coloring

[light quarry]

i wonder what else got hotfixed

[light quarry]

im colour blind so it makes it so i see myself easier

[stable hamlet]

so atm sub its by far the spec to go for m+?

[light quarry]

but im always ontop so i really should swap back

[light quarry]

[velvet tree]

how is assasa performing compared to sub in m+?

[stable hamlet]

its shit

[light quarry]

alot worse

[humble verge]

its not shit

but could be better

[stable hamlet]

u do 15 mil dps on aoe

[humble verge]

[light quarry]

probably better in lower keys but they get worse higher

[stable hamlet]

and u get 2.3 in st

and ur overall its bye bye

[light quarry]

then ur just doing ur rotation wrong 😭

ive reached 40m

[stable hamlet]

im talking about voeralla oe

in burst in first pull in flood yes i went up to 35

but im talking about overall

[light quarry]

[stable hamlet]

and if u get a tank that does chain pulls

[light quarry]

was worried there for a bit

[stable hamlet]

also u get fucked up

[light quarry]

yeah chain pulls is probably the worst part lol

sub dosnt care

especially when there is like 1 mob left with 5% hp and he just sends chain into massive pull

worst feeling ever

[stable hamlet]

u need versa for sub right?

[light quarry]

vers/mastery

[stable hamlet]

cuz i did tryed to play sub

[junior creek]

Vers/mast aye

[stable hamlet]

but i have 10% versa

and it does not feel great

[light quarry]

versa does a ton on ur dmg

[stable hamlet]

so versa its the probl

[light quarry]

ur like a wet noodle untill u get ur vers up

[stable hamlet]

cuz i went on dummy and in burst i went up to 14 mil dps

[light quarry]

on the 5 target i get consistently to 22-24m burst

and then i hover at around 13-15

[stable hamlet]

ye in that case probably the lack of versa its the problem

[light quarry]

could be

[latent kernel]

what are the hotfixes everyone is talking about

[normal mist]

What hotfixes?

[snow hamlet]

coldfix

[amber brook]

Actually why is vers so good on sub

[light quarry]

@normal mist@latent kernel

its fury hotfixes

[light quarry]

damage

[normal mist]

Can I ask you for a tldr of all that text please homie?

[light quarry]

thier 4 set can gather stacks from all targets hit instead of just thier main target

[grim jay]

Lack of interaction with haste and crit probably, even tho crit got some value

[light quarry]

making them go BOOM

alot more

[normal mist]

I actually have no idea what their tier set does

[light quarry]

makes them go boom

[normal mist]

XD

Thanks mate :3

[light quarry]

(i have no idea what it actually does)

[haughty flicker]

[amber brook]

I heard from some video that mastery scales differently for sub rogues

Is that actually true?

[grim jay]

Differently compared to what

[latent kernel]

percentage wise its higher on sub

[drifting cloud]

mastery scales differently for every spec in the game

[grim jay]

Every spec has different mastery scaling ye
1=x% wise

[drifting cloud]

but that doesnt really mean anything

[latent kernel]

but thats just balancing

[amber brook]

Oh

Didn't know it was for all specs

[dense cedar]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtlety.

[molten drum]

what are we using our 3rd spark on ?

[main bridge]

Whatever upgrade sims best. Maybe belt since that is getting nerfed

[tawny rapids]

When is it getting nerfed tho

I think that’s some time from now and we will have more sparks by then no?

[main bridge]

Next patch I think? It’s on wowhead

But that’s why I said whatever sims best. Could be something else too

[molten drum]

ill get belt from first boss on mythic

[main bridge]

Ya it depends on what loot you can get like any craft

[icy ether]

Week 1 vault was heavy mastery Crit belt

slam dunk picked it as a side grade eating good

[royal lantern]

idk, if you raid, the first boss drops a belt

so i would slow down with belt unless you literally dont raid at all

[main bridge]

Only if you raid mythic is that relevant

But yeah #assassination message

[weary spear]

Should be easy pug for first boss in the next couple weeks

[fickle quiver]

!trinkets

[severe meadow]

I haven’t seen that belt drop yet xd

[severe meadow]

It’ll also be awhile before that patch

11.2.5 or w/e

[latent kernel]

was looking at top rogues in mythic plus on raider.io looks like most are playing sub besides chainbleed, assassination falling behind?

[main bridge]

unless it was verified you could just be looking at what they logged out with

[latent kernel]

yup looking at most recent mythic+ runs

[main bridge]

i think you are misunderstanding me

[bitter iris]

think it would be worth to lose some dmg from master assassin to get iron wire instead for more control in m+?

[main bridge]

no

coordinating kicks is easy and you don't have to lose damage to do it

[bitter iris]

in pugs not so much 😄

[severe meadow]

For bad pugs it’s a nice QoL

[verbal granite]

Is ritual forge + netherprism bad for assa? Sims keeps telling me to use Lily over nether even at lower ilvl :(

[severe meadow]

But just find a better group :^)

[main bridge]

it can be though. make a focus macro that sets a mark, then it's pretty clear you are always going to kick diamond, for example

[bitter iris]

you overestimate pugs in 14s

[severe meadow]

Nether and Lily are both good trinkets, could be mastery starved if Lily is simming better

[main bridge]

thankfully i won't have to find out what that's like

[bitter iris]

even if i write what i'm going to do they're still not gonna care and all my depletes lately been due to that

thats why im even considering losing dmg for iron wire 😄

[verbal granite]

got 20k mastery

[severe meadow]

I think that’s low

What % is that

[royal lantern]

we just had a eco dome run where our tank could not see or interact with the last boss

[verbal granite]

60&

[royal lantern]

like, it literally didnt exists for him

[severe meadow]

I think I’m pushing around 65% if not more

[main bridge]

i swear the game is more buggy than it's ever been

it's bonkers

[severe meadow]

But all in all they’re both good trinkets

[bitter iris]

yeah it is

[royal lantern]

like, our warrior had to run out and go prot and we 4man it

lol

[severe meadow]

It comes down to more of when you think boss dies

[snow kiln]

Oh wow, it honestly looks like all the top rogues have swapped sub

Let's swap with them! 😄

[severe meadow]

Nether is really good if it lines up with execute

[royal lantern]

newsflash: the players at the very top end play for minor increases

water is also wet

(and sub has been the #1 raid spec for rogue for the last 2000 tiers now, but dont tell that anyone)

[main bridge]

shhh the FOTM chasers don't wanna hear that

[severe meadow]

Sub good but I’m actually enjoying FB

[snow kiln]

Actually long term rogue main, but ye. I guess the bugs for assa are what's keeping it down now

Actually lost so much damage, while going from 690 to 710 ilvl

[main bridge]

most people wouldn't have known there were bugs if it wasn't for that clickbait video

[royal lantern]

literally everyone is bugged

[severe meadow]

It do be a buggy ass patch

[royal lantern]

and most people would not know about them without 3rd party telling them about it lmao

[main bridge]

every rogue spec is bugged too so if you think switching to sub is going to help....got some bad news for you

[latent kernel]

what are the bugs

[severe meadow]

Pins

[royal lantern]

you know about our Lord and Savior, Hollowknight Silksong?

[pliant remnant]

Did you guys know that Silksong?

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-gif-1317513878955975206

[pliant remnant]

BRO

[main bridge]

It’s joever

[dense talon]

Quick question: on single target. Once all the dots are in place along with envenom buff, do we keep pumping enevenoms till we run out of energy or play around envenom uptime. This is bleed build without kb.

[main bridge]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[main bridge]

Do all the stuff in the guide ^

[dense talon]

Second question: while death mark is running, crimson tempest falls off, do we get crimson tempest up again or continue with envenoms?

[normal mist]

Muffin answer is the best answer...
The tldr is pump envenoms if you don't need to reapply garrote/rupture/ct

Everything is prio over envenom unless you have DN up

[wanton spear]

so this season is pretty much a mythic + season for us until tuning i take it?

[normal mist]

Wdym

[wanton spear]

well guilds that go off archon for mythic, archon has us ranked like low B to C tier for everything

[normal mist]

Those guilds don't deserve you 🙂

If a guild recruits via tier lists, it is doomed already

[main bridge]

Why would you take any tier list seriously

[latent kernel]

so many guilds kill mythic with off meta specs, tier lists are elitist

[wanton spear]

personally I think tier lists are complete B/S , but raid comps get designed around them useally

[latent kernel]

what are the odds this hotfix fixes some of these rogue bugs

[main bridge]

Low

Many of the bugs are not new

[warm tulip]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[nocturne quail]

rogue is cranking in the raid

[normal mist]

Thinking that way, guilds will also ask you to either have multiple Alts or you'll be benched for certain fights, must be cool

[wanton spear]

one of the reasons I decided to be a backup raider this tier, because i honestly just don't enjoy playing other classes,

[normal mist]

God bless me and my Aotc guild

We have a blast every week

Good vibes and lots of laughs

[granite sentinel]

wym cranking, check overall statistics. it's kinda mid rn

[nocturne quail]

check boss dam

[mighty vine]

Just join a race for worlds last CE; no pressure and fun

[granite sentinel]

maybe couple of bosses where sub shines, assa very mid

[wanton spear]

do we have any rogues in top 100 on any fights

[granite sentinel]

it's not even close to hunter/mage output especially on short timers

warlock at their own league too

[main bridge]

Will you ever be in top 100 on any class? Why does this matter to you?

[wanton spear]

like plexus for mythic or lumithar have to be perfect for fb doesn't it. yet we can't touch the top dps

[granite sentinel]

then check fractillus, u won't find any rogue at top 300

[nocturne quail]

ok so 4 ranged class ahead of us

[red schooner]

No

[wanton spear]

feral is ahead of us on st, so is unholy & frost dk

[red schooner]

Thanks for reminding me of my own inadequacy wtf

[severe meadow]

All 3 that I’ve killed yeah

[granite sentinel]

most ranged classes better then rogue plus and they got way more utility/buffs in raid. even frost dk is better then rogue especially on last boss prog when u need 2 dks for gripping adds on p2

[severe meadow]

:^)

[pure moth]

On plexus(mythic) when intermission starts is basically 2 seconds after kb/cb are up. Anyone else's timing like this? Knowing thats happening, im waiting to not waste it, so im missing casts. Can I do anything about this?

[wanton spear]

i did it i found the first rogue on plexus mythic ranking lol, sub at 539 with 2 PI lmao first assa rogue is at 729 lol

[granite sentinel]

rogue kinda need 4% aura buff to be viable. sin rogue needs ambush proc rate buff for st

[main bridge]

Lmao

[latent kernel]

i mean all classes and specs in current standings are viable....

[wanton spear]

from a raid leader perspective tho, unless your rogues are just plain out classing the other dps, atrophic psn isn't worth the loss of dps

[granite sentinel]

"rogue cranking in raid"

u must b trippin

[pure bridge]

I remember the Ambush proc rate being specifically nerfed in DF because it was a bit strong.

[wanton spear]

lol 3rd from bottom

[vital haven]

Rogue is fine

[nocturne quail]

now send the damage to bosses ss

[latent kernel]

is there a way to view hotfixes after they come out or is that only patch notes

[vital haven]

Not ele tier but ita good

[zealous moth]

he must have meant banging (our heads against the desk)

[coral ibex]

no way we're linking all boss damage stats and feeling proud about the conclusions we're reaching

[nova aspen]

u guys remember azor putting marksman in D tier on max's stream before patch drop?

[coral ibex]

holy moly

[nova aspen]

[coral ibex]

can we keep reddit on reddit guys

thanks

[main bridge]

Tier list Andy’s are outta control

They need to be exiled back to Reddit

[nocturne quail]

for real

[spice surge]

Im expecting some assa buffs for raid (which probably will result in slight nerfs in m+ to compensate so its neutral there) but man would it be funny if they also buffed sub

[coral ibex]

looks a bit different when you show damage to bosses aka damage that actually matters on 6/8 raid fights

[nocturne quail]

just assa bug fix would be nice

[coral ibex]

but if you show this one you dont get your updoots for complaining about assa balance

so i get it

[vital haven]

I honestly expect some single target sub buffs , sub is even worse in st than sin last time k checked

[zealous moth]

i´m seeing a bunch of people run Council´s guile + algari mana oil on archon. is it worth swapping to that if i run a bunch of m+, or is authority still better there?

[spice surge]

Ye on stuff like fractillus

Problem is sub is actually really good on nexus king and dimensius

[vital haven]

Yep

[nocturne quail]

but we do no dam on plexus arent we DOOMED

[spice surge]

Any secondary stat enchant is good

[granite sentinel]

now set 95+ percentile

[spice surge]

Radiant power not it anymore

[zealous moth]

thanks

i´m starting to enjoy high crit on fb anyway

those deal fate procs almost filling the combo bar

feelsgood

[wanton spear]

I would love our class to be less slot machine. and not more slot machine...

[zealous moth]

we literally flip coins

gamba class

[wanton spear]

yea, wasn't that like one of the biggest complaints last season was we hate gamba class

[severe meadow]

Gets us a lil buff permaybe

I’ll take a lil aura buff

[midnight mist]

sub might be one of the strongest raid spec this tier

arcane is better i guess

other than that idk

[coral ibex]

erm im not top of details therefore rogue is weak

[granite sentinel]

sub fine

[spice surge]

MM is also really good

But yeah it would be very funny if they buffed sub

[zealous moth]

im parsing greys so rogue must be weak

[wanton spear]

i think archon ruins the game with there tier lists lol

[main bridge]

I mean if you take the website seriously you are part of the problem

[coral ibex]

ive never even seen an archon tier list

[main bridge]

I just wish I thought of it first so I could bathe in all the money they get from ads

[umbral sigil]

Do you guys run bleed build on soul hunters?

[zealous moth]

you see it every time you enter the site

[wanton spear]

zac what do you think needs to be done to make all 3 of our specs more desirable in raid?

[zealous moth]

you probably just ignore it and just click the spec

like i do lol

[wanton spear]

I know your the outlaw guy, but your also built french diff and do shit on outlaw none of us can lol

[severe meadow]

I did on heroic

[umbral sigil]

P much the exact m+ build i assume?

[zealous moth]

yeah

[severe meadow]

Yeah I don’t think I changed anything

[umbral sigil]

kk

i genuinely cant figure that fight out lol

[wanton spear]

I just play the M+ buld on soulhunters not really anything you could even change from it

[severe meadow]

Big thing is to stick to one of them, I think the middle guy is who metas first

[umbral sigil]

vanish and IC when theyre grouped im guessing?

[wanton spear]

keep ruptures garrotes and ct up all there really is to do

[severe meadow]

Yeah, I tried having a vanish available after meta phase also

To get quick spread before they start jumping around

[umbral sigil]

are you rup and garrote sniping outside of IC windows?

[zealous moth]

do they know?

🤔

[severe meadow]

I did my best to

Was it worth it? Idk

I parsed a 99 on it so I assume it was correct

[umbral sigil]

lmao thats always my question haha

[zealous moth]

stupid question but what´s IC

[severe meadow]

Carnage

[umbral sigil]

Indiscriminate carnage

[zealous moth]

i´m thinking hard but it´s early here

ohhh

my brain wasn´t braining

[wanton spear]

careful you might mistaken for a ret

[zealous moth]

i always say i'm one of the small brain rogue players so

might as well play a ret

[wanton spear]

I leveled my warrior yesterday just to see how far i could get with 1 button rotation in raid lol

[zealous moth]

lmao

what are you doing with your free hand, huh?

[severe meadow]

Complaining on Reddit

[midnight mist]

you kinda are top of details on the important fights tbh

[midnight mist]

fatebound is just a terrible damage profile

hurts both sin and outlaw rn

well sin gained a 1min30 damage profile wich is insane this tier

but its fatebound

so its still not really good

like imagine if deathstalker simmed as high st and was 1min30

it would prolly have been just has much a sin tier than a sub tier

[zealous moth]

i really wish they just made ass a 1:30 spec by default

[midnight mist]

and well outlaw is kinda suffering from the same shit

if trickster was our st build

we would be decent in most encounter

[zealous moth]

i haven´t played a LOT of dps, but every single one i tried is 1:30 or less

[midnight mist]

idk how you fix bosses like dimensius tho thats legit impossible

and then bosses with damage amps are also kinda gg

[spice surge]

Idk shouldve just not made all fights have very good line ups for 1:30

Its just a strange decision

[midnight mist]

but even on bosses like araz outlaw is bad cause trickster is like 14% less st

and fatebound is fatebound

[wanton spear]

@midnight mist do we just need a new rogue class designer at blizzard? i mean i'm sure everyone is tired of sub being the only spec played in rwf, and just how buggy and slot machine our class is.

[midnight mist]

I cant talk im reformed

[wanton spear]

the silence says all it needs too haha

[spice surge]

Does it matter what people play in the rwf though

In both nerubar and undermine almost everybody that wasnt in the top guilds played assa

Since it got massively buffed after rwf

[little current]

we dont need a new class designer

we need a class designer

period

[wanton spear]

i don't think it does. but it would be nice, lol pretty sure exile wanted to play anything else lol

[wide berry]

Mfs will base their entire personality off of what the 0.1% players run

[midnight mist]

i do think its rather cringe how they are constantly fucking over outlaw damage profile, more and more everytier, while every spec in the game get better damage profiles

[wide berry]

Play your own god damn game

[midnight mist]

like sin got a 1min30 daamge profile this tier

what did outlaw get

[zealous moth]

a new animation for killing spree!

[midnight mist]

10% nerf to the only playable hero talent

[zealous moth]

be thankful!!!1

[midnight mist]

and ks now is rng targetting

so you lose prio

if you want an order of things

[little current]

and some of the worst melee gameplay in the expansion

boss fight wise

[midnight mist]

if you compare our prio in m+ in big packs like ara kara to the st we do on st bosses with fatebound

we are doing 40% less st

kinda crazy no?

[little current]

dont worry blizzard will fix it by completely destroying everything about the class

[spice surge]

Idk to me classes doing the same ST (or more) while doing aoe is the crazy part

[midnight mist]

maybe

idk

it has always been outlaw niche

and we lost that

to litteraly every spec in the game

taht litteraly funnel for free in aoe

while we lose 40% prio

[royal lantern]

you know the insane part zac

[vital haven]

I remember

When 2 mins were the gigachads

[royal lantern]

like, 2-3 expansions ago they nerfed specs into the ground because they could funnel, and funnel was a thing that got removed left and right

now its "lol funnel for everyone xd"

[midnight mist]

everyone but outlaw

[vital haven]

Now 2 mins are lame

[midnight mist]

outlaw get triple negative funnel

gg

[royal lantern]

like, BfA sub getting nuked into literally being unplayable because it could funnel for the entire expansion

[midnight mist]

hope assa get nuked the same way

deserves it

[royal lantern]

and now its just "yeha you get free funnel cus everyone else has it"

[midnight mist]

im ngl

[earnest remnant]

whats funnel?

can sub have some of that?

[royal lantern]

when you write tunnel with a F

[wanton spear]

would be nice if they fixed our funnel talent lol

[earnest remnant]

would be nice for sub the original funnel spec

to actually have funnel

that would go crazy

[royal lantern]

i mean, yeha, make funnel less dumb, nerf aoe a bit and actually give it some ST in dungeons

the difference bettwen "raw ST" and "st with adds nearby" is just so dumb

[zealous moth]

Rude

[vital haven]

I still think what wouldve happened if they kept sub funnel but never put in BP

[earnest remnant]

doubt

they were to scared

[vital haven]

Have insane funnel but no aoe except foe sec tech

[royal lantern]

i can gurantee you that it would be really bad

because "no aoe" in modern m+ isnt a thing that works

[vital haven]

Ehh idk

[royal lantern]

its literally why they added caustic spatter to assa lol

[little current]

dont forget about target cap!

[vital haven]

I can see it work in halls for example

[little current]

we're one of 2 (?) classes that is still hard target capped

us and fury afaik

[earnest remnant]

you would need the trade off to be actually worth it

[vital haven]

But now sin exists so whats the point i guess

[royal lantern]

i mean, it doesnt really because you would just take a spec that wouuld do the same "funnel" that also does big aoe

[earnest remnant]

so the actual funnel gain would have to be very strong

which they wont do again

for obvious reasons

[royal lantern]

^

like, do you realise how dumb insane the funnel would need to be to make it worth it to bring a spec that does literally no aoe at all?

it would need to be in the "it kills a elite enemy in 8sec solo" range lol

[spice surge]

MM is too, and lots of subs damage is too

Not to mention being hardcapped at 8 is generally better than being softcapped at 5

[wanton spear]

feel like everyone should be target capped to make it fair

[earnest remnant]

no

[spice surge]

But hardcap just feels bad for no reason

[earnest remnant]

everything should just be uncapped

like the good ol days

[wanton spear]

or that

[zealous moth]

imagine they target capped balance

the spec just dies

[little current]

has there ever been a worse expansion to be a rogue than this one

[earnest remnant]

yes

[royal lantern]

i mean, it was in SL iirc?

[spice surge]

Its not a bad expansion to be a rogue

[wanton spear]

dragonflight was pretty bad at points

[errant swallow]

How's everyone doing today?

[royal lantern]

yes? rogue is good in TWW overall lol

[zealous moth]

no idea, didn't play back then

[little current]

i mean like

[wanton spear]

i mean we are good in keys at least

[earnest remnant]

Rogue hasent really had a "bad" expansion

[midnight mist]

fury really isnt lol

[little current]

our hero talents suck and we're buggy as shit

[errant swallow]

I like rogue, I don't like sub tbh.

[earnest remnant]

its always good

[royal lantern]

mf's didnt experience the fun that was Shadowlands launch rogue lol

[wanton spear]

fury is slapping after they got a bug fix tuesday

[latent kernel]

so servers are back up where can se see hotfixes

[wanton spear]

bro that xpac didn't exist, we don't talk about it.

[errant swallow]

Lol

[latent kernel]

nah 100% crit master assassin WAS INSANE

[spice surge]

If they post about hotfixes wowhead posts em

[midnight mist]

2 soft cap at 8 and 2 at 5

i wish i was hard cpped like fury is

[royal lantern]

SL launch had all 3 specs literally hardcast Slice&Dice, and Assa needed a like 20% aura buff to do more dmg then tanks, and Sub was almost the same bad down lol

and covenant stuff was just the same way buggy/broken/downright bad lmao

[little current]

ok that's pretty ass

[latent kernel]

do they ever do silent fixes where they dont post

[spice surge]

Yeah but like

[midnight mist]

ye

like 2 days ago

[spice surge]

If assa gets fixed youll see it in the pins here

[midnight mist]

fury got a 10% aoe buff

[royal lantern]

remember when the Venthyr Covenant ability was literally just "ambush and you get deadly poison, if you play assa you get leeching poison"

[midnight mist]

you heard about it

[wanton spear]

we've had to hardcast snd since vanilla not having to keep a maintenance buff up is stil technically a new thing

[royal lantern]

what

CttC was added in WotLK

SnD was removed with Legion

[wanton spear]

what are u smoking?

[royal lantern]

and then brought back in SL because they did a "big UnPrUnInG" and all rogue got back was shity SnD nobody wanted

[royal lantern]

???

[errant swallow]

Who remembers "Hunger for blood" ?

[wanton spear]

snd became passive in tww

[royal lantern]

SnD was a ussules talent option for Outlaw during Legion, thats it lol

it was fully gone during legion

and BfA

then brought back in SL and they didnt even knew why, so they basically removed it again by making it fully passive

[earnest remnant]

SnD was removed going into legion, and added back in SL

and then just slowly overtime made passive again

[wanton spear]

cttc wasn't added till tww

[royal lantern]

???

[real pike]

sounds like a silly question but what spec are people using in streets? bleed just better?

[zealous moth]

did that have no cd?

[midnight mist]

sub

[earnest remnant]

Assa had it

in DF

sub got it through Premed

[errant swallow]

Iirc that was early naxx 2.0

[earnest remnant]

in DF

so

[errant swallow]

Annoying buff

[subtle tundra]

my ass

[real pike]

bruh

[zealous moth]

didn't it exist earlier but just extending slice n dice instead of also applying it? i have fuzzy memories from playing during DF last season where i casted snd on opener and just kept it up

[wide sleet]

!UP

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[earnest remnant]

yes

[zealous moth]

might also have been my noob brain not reading what cttc did

[spice surge]

Yes it was added in literally wrath

[earnest remnant]

Assa had it as a talent in DF

[zealous moth]

so they just added the part where it casts snd during tww, right?

[earnest remnant]

yep

[wanton spear]

yea i'm questioning everything now because i've played since vanilla, and just always remember having to keep a tracker or snd

[earnest remnant]

and made it class wide

in TWW

[royal lantern]

yes, its where the "Mut rogue" meme comes from, cus during WotLK the gameplay was just "get SnD running once and then spam mut mut envenom for the rest of the fight"

[wanton spear]

wotlk mute rogue meme was running full cloth spell damage in ulduar like a man

[frigid lagoon]

I need to know why I'm so bad at assa if anyone can check my logs 😭 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XM3c6A4dQYVtTbJh?fight=45&type=damage-done

[wanton spear]

until they nerfed it, but i got my world top 10 kills before that shit happened and took full advantage lol

because deadly psn and envenom scaled insanely off spell damage due to spagetti code

[errant swallow]

Lmao

[severe silo]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[zealous moth]

coins 3rd on damage
found your problem

just roll better flips :^)

rng 100 tails in a row

[static glacier]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[wanton spear]

i'm question my memory hard now, am i crazy, wasn't hat rogue the best spec in wotlk? when we had the infinite combo point thing happening. the stupid classic re-releases have ruined any chance of just googling shit from vanilla xpacs

[royal lantern]

no? WotLK was overall dominated by DK lmao

and what infinite CP thing? you mean the legendary dagger? cus that was Cata

[wanton spear]

honor among thieves was working for the entire raid at first in nax

[lunar pond]

Heads needs a buff. Like tails streaks seem to make or break the parses all else being equal

[royal lantern]

or

they just delete the entire cringe coinflip thing

:3

reminder that without the current tierset, you will gamble for the capstone again, have fun going back to that :333

[lunar pond]

Yeah it’s ass

[twin hull]

Well the rumour is that the new hero talents in midnight will be yer tier set bonuses or based around it

Thats why they are kept so strong…and they put some effort into it

So we still gucci ya feel

[coral ibex]

honor among thieves was irrelevant in classic bc it ran on the last balance patch

and it was patched to have a 1s icd per combo point well before the last balance patch of wotlk

[wanton spear]

right i was saying when wotlk first launched.

[royal lantern]

oh cool, so everyone gets cool thematic talents, and fatebound gets "you can avoid bad rng xd"

[twin hull]

And you become a 1min 30 sec spec…
If they fix or help with fatebound aoe….then ooooofff maybe

[zealous moth]

i mean if 1:30 became the baseline cd for assa in general

i wouldn´t mind fatebound aoe staying bad

[royal lantern]

fuck no

[zealous moth]

bc we already have ds with strong aoe (when momentum is not broken)

and cs is just busted

[royal lantern]

can we atleast TRY to have some differences bettwen specs

lol

90sec for a tierset effect is cool and all

but permanentely is just dumb when 90sec is supposed to be subs thing on rogue

[midnight mist]

No but

Sin must have everything

Execute

Cleave

Burst

AOE

Funnel

1min 30 cds

2 min cds

Idk what's left honestly

Spread cleave ?

[twin hull]

Well have you tried fatebound in dungeons?? If you overlook the aoe dmg..being a 90 sec class just works so well…atleast with season 3 dungeon pool…

[royal lantern]

you speak like the average #subtlety user rn that repeats that before every raidtier, and then ends up as the #1 raid spec anyway and immediatly goes silent because their gaslighting worked

[unborn rain]

fatebound was made by someone who thinks no country for old men was a good movie

[midnight mist]

Mage give assa a talent that make rupture spread to target 60 yards away

[midnight mist]

Sub is just op but it's different

Sin litteraly has everything

Like what doesn't it have

Appart from spread cleave

[twin hull]

Cries in m+ st

[zealous moth]

just make ic spread baseline with no stealth requiremen

and make it 5 targets instead of 3

imagine tho

[midnight mist]

You are still doing outlaw st so it's not that bad could be worse

[royal lantern]

the funny thing is more like

its not even special across the entire game with that, what assa has is NORMAL for the game rn

sub just gets ignored and then numbers overtuned, and outlaw gets ignored because they dont know what to do with it, and assa got turned into a real spec in DF S3 and thats kinda it

[wanton spear]

honestly just get rid of fatebound for both outlaw & sin, and give something else that isn't so rng based

[royal lantern]

[midnight mist]

Eh

I'm not sure any other spec does it like assa I'm ngl

[normal mist]

Our top m+ players did

They said it was shit

[midnight mist]

Arcane maybe but it doesn't do uncap turbo AOE

[zealous moth]

aren´t all rogue specs pretty much the same power level atm?

[midnight mist]

Really

I didn't know that

[spice surge]

In keys kinda

[zealous moth]

in m+

yeah, forgot to add that

[midnight mist]

In keys ?

[twin hull]

I think the qol change they need to add to deathstalker is make darkest night 60 secs instead of 30..and the envenom requires 5 or more combo points is still a 100% crit…and acts like the envenom is done with max combo points… and applies the deathstalkers mark

[midnight mist]

Omegalul

[twin hull]

Ohh yes it was shit but im talking about the cs uses in these dungeon settings

[midnight mist]

Sin and sub are litteraly doing 25% more damage than outlaw in every key

[royal lantern]

i mean, assa doesnt burst nearly as much as others in AoE at all, and saying "it has 90sec windows omg it has everything"is a bit of a stretch when thats a tierset effect that will be gone in a couple months and is unplayable outside of raids anyway lol

[wanton spear]

or, hear me out. just fix all the bugs with the spec lol

[normal mist]

Press your abilities harder

[golden loom]

well the hero talent you play in content outside of raid doesnt even have a CD

and just does the same dam every pack

[midnight mist]

Seems to me they tried to give assa the last bit of things they could give it but forgot fatebound just sucked

Chase it's fateboudn

[zealous moth]

idk, mythicstats show all 3 specs doing 6.1m average, 8m tops

[twin hull]

And thissss

[zealous moth]

this week and last week

[midnight mist]

Ye I love aggregate data sites

Very valuable data

[zealous moth]

i always checked there, don't know where else to check stats on that

[midnight mist]

You know which spec is topping on wcl raid data rn

It's outlaw btw

[royal lantern]

zac trying to act as if assa is always this #1 giga spec everywhere when its not even played that much rn will always amaze me

[potent oracle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fid5TNQNJi4x83Cqwvu1dw guys what do you think for this sim ? is low damage for raid now ? with current gear

[royal lantern]

like, legit gaslighting himself to think that

[midnight mist]

That's not what I said at all?

[royal lantern]

and then trying to do the same with others

[midnight mist]

I said assa had everything

[proper cosmos]

working talents

[midnight mist]

The tuning is something different

[zealous moth]

nah he didn't say that

[wanton spear]

if it worked lol

[midnight mist]

I said assa has litteraly every damage profile in the game packed in one spec

[royal lantern]

who tf cares what a spec can do when tuning is not in your favor lol

[normal mist]

Why is it 8 mins

[kindred breach]

Guys anyone tested the old "trick" with crafted rings? does it still work?

[normal mist]

They fixed that afaik

[limber swallow]

one of our hunters did. No.

[worldly bridge]

Hey i've heard u macro prism to vanish on fatebound correct ?

[midnight mist]

Because it still matters, you are way more likely to be good if you can do everything anyway

[kindred breach]

Sadge lol

[normal mist]

Yes

[kindred breach]

they fix that shit rq

[royal lantern]

burst aoe is not a thing unless you literally fully build into it which is not possible outside of m+, which is one of the most important dmg profiles in the game tbh

[zealous moth]

he's fighting M gally

[kindred breach]

while outlaws are hitting dead targets since DF

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-why-didnt-i-think-of-that-hank-scorpio-homer-simpson-you-only-move-twice-gif-20385109

[royal lantern]

like, the reason sub is literally always the best in raids is because it does burst aoe so good

[midnight mist]

If you say so

[royal lantern]

and because they love to do dmg amps/"you must do high dmg in a short window" stuff

[midnight mist]

Raid burst and m+ burst is vastly different

[zealous moth]

true

[midnight mist]

And I do agree with you that it's one of the thing that makes sub always op

[potent oracle]

should i change that ?

[zealous moth]

raid burst is usually dmg amp / prio adds that wipe you

[marsh fjord]

can you spread your cleave for me

[midnight mist]

But you can't deny assa does litteraly everything

[wanton spear]

its also because its a main stat versa spec as well, it might not seem it but the survivablity plays a big factor in innitial pushes for mythic when undergeared

[midnight mist]

And it's unfair for normal specs that do nothing

[zealous moth]

except making me happy

[fair kettle]

Your funny saying assa does 25% more dmg than Outlaw kekw hahah Outlaw is pumping crazy ara outlaw outdps assa for days

[midnight mist]

You are clueless

[royal lantern]

who is a "normal spec"

[marsh fjord]

Initial burst assa sucks at tho

[midnight mist]

Idk

[royal lantern]

inc: Outlaw

[golden loom]

arms warrior

[midnight mist]

A spec that can't do funnel + infinite uncapped AOE + execute + whatever the fuck else assa does

[royal lantern]

which is allready a very special spec in its function, which is also why it often kinda struggles

[midnight mist]

Cause it does everything

[wanton spear]

isn't every season the same, start of season is sub, mid season is assa, then once people get the best gear outlaw

[midnight mist]

There was a time specs couldn't do everything

[midnight mist]

?

[fair kettle]

Outlaw has Not Even cds wdym Outlaw Most Borken spec

[midnight mist]

Are you french

[wanton spear]

isn't outlaw the most gear dependent of the specs

[fair kettle]

Russian