assassination

[main bridge]

nope

you will just be immune

[barren yarrow]

Actually isn’t there a cheese for that mini boss before we go up to do last boss.

there’s somehow a way to portal up without killing mini boss but I never got it to work

[chrome dirge]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[rotund oak]

anything else than babe u are the sidedude

[dapper halo]

still no dps hotfix

whats taking so long

[desert crest]

Working on mage rework of smth probably

Cooking up 4% affliction lock aura nerf

And random trinket tuning

[humble verge]

they wanted to buff the mythic bosses first

[cyan dew]

On AoE and in DM window, should I still CT or just focus on on envenom? Also, if caustic is down and i'm at max CP, should I use mut even tho I'll waste CP or I use envenom then mut?

[main bridge]

yes maintain all the bleeds

and in an AOE situation it's totally worth ensuring that spatter is up before you envenom because it will do more damage to the surrounding targets

[pulsar plank]

is it okay to do garrote if I get 6 cp with darkest night even though garrote is like 15+ sec

to save some energy

[main bridge]

if DN won't end before you can do that, why not?

[pulsar plank]

I was wondering if it's a dps loss or not

[main bridge]

i feel like maybe there is some confusion here. Darkest Night is not related to garrote and has no influence on it. you don't need 7 combo points for garrote at all

if you have Darkest Night up your priority should be casting Envenom at full combo points

[hexed root]

have any bugs been fixed yet? was checking warcraft logs and surprised to see some sin rogues pumping on soul hunters

[cyan dew]

tyvm

[pulsar plank]

No I meant mutilate costs more energy and reapplying garrote when it's not wearing off seemed kind of odd to me. That's why I was curious

[hexed root]

thanks for the

[pulsar plank]

But spending less energy sounds good too

[humble verge]

bro did not wanna do his 16 streets

[pulsar plank]

that's why I said 6 cp because applying garrote gives you 1cp

[main bridge]

yeah that's fine to do

there might be a better option depending on what's up and the time remaining on DN

[vestal geyser]

if we're still talking aoe, energy is basically a non issue

[pulsar plank]

I was doing this although the blindside procs because like staying above 50% energy is impossible with 3 dots tracking

[main bridge]

you don't need to stay above 50% energy

[pulsar plank]

isnt it more dps?

wait

really

[main bridge]

no. you can ignore Sanguine Blades

[pulsar plank]

can I just spam then?

[main bridge]

yes

[pulsar plank]

it was like the one of the most important things to track back in s1

[winged sun]

assa buff plz..

[vestal geyser]

were we ever actually actively tracking sanguine blades?

i dont think we were

[pure moth]

no

[pulsar plank]

in S1 it was super important every guide said to track it

[vestal geyser]

no you didnt actively track it

[main bridge]

i think it's probably more important to focus on current guides

[vestal geyser]

it was more, "make sure your bleeds were out"

and it happened by itself

[pulsar plank]

well yeah there were conditions to ignore

[vestal geyser]

but we were never trying to stay above 50% energy for sanguine in ST

because you just cant in bleed build

[main bridge]

if you keep your bleeds up (especially in AoE) you will naturally have lots of energy and do damage via Sanguine Blades

[hasty field]

man I can't do more than 8m of overall

what am I doing wrong XD

[winged sun]

play better

[vestal geyser]

if you're timing the keys it really doesn't matter imo

your damage will change dramatically based on a lot of factors

[pulsar plank]

route

[winged sun]

thats not what hes saying

hes saying he isn't doing enough dps

[vestal geyser]

tank route, pull size, individual tanks etc

[winged sun]

not hitting 8m overall at all is already diabolical and means hes missing on alot of minmaxes

[main bridge]

i think after a certain point if you're doing everything correctly you just need bigger pulls with adds on bosses

[vestal geyser]

heavy disagree, we have no idea what keys he is running or the route, etc

so much we dont know

[winged sun]

u can literally get a 10m overall on any route in the game on half the keys atm

[plush umbra]

if you do a regular boss reset with the portal dude as the target, he just disappears and then you can pull the boss

[winged sun]

its just skill issue theres nothing to agree or disagree with

everyone has to learn their spec

[plush umbra]

so hunter shoot + feign or mage frostbolt + invis or something like that

[winged sun]

no reason to be ignorant on that

[vestal geyser]

i encourage you to try to get 10m overall on less than a +10

[winged sun]

ye i did that day 1

[vestal geyser]

who knows what key he is running

[winged sun]

in pugs too

[carmine silo]

show us

[vestal geyser]

yeah i mean

if you're in a decent group

thats pretty much impossible

theres only so much damage to do in a key that low

[winged sun]

haven't done below a 10 since like first 2 hrs of the season i wasn't streaming but i do have a 11m overall ss from week 1

[vestal geyser]

its not an issue of rotation

its an issue of how much damage is physically possible to do'

unless you're in a group of shitters

[carmine silo]

do you have some logs of that? I'm genuinely curious because i want to see whats so different

[vestal geyser]

theres only so much health

[winged sun]

i lost my 11m overall screenshot but its on logs

zac logged it 2-3 weeks ago

1 sec

[vestal geyser]

thats a 14 lmao

[winged sun]

ye i didnt do below 10s why would i do that

im not a noob lol

[carmine silo]

I play bad for sure but just farming 10s for gear and if my other 2 dps are decent burst classes everything is just dead in their burst

[vestal geyser]

he might be

[winged sun]

besides u do way more dps below 10s

[main bridge]

trolled

[winged sun]

ur just trolling rn

because u get dmg buffs

on +10s and below

and u just do 20% more

[vestal geyser]

dude

you cant use them

the mobs die

too fast

[winged sun]

?

what

thats what makes sin so op

lmao

what are u smoking

sudden demise 1 shots the pack from 50% hp on below +10 keys

[vestal geyser]

your damage cant ramp

[grizzled geyser]

if stuff dies 5 seconds after you spread your ruptures, you wont outdamage classes like MM or Ret who just blast the pack instantly, it just doesnt work that way

[winged sun]

what

u legit do 30m each pack

on low keys

[vestal geyser]

r u smoking

[winged sun]

💀 this guy

are u on eu

btw

[vestal geyser]

is your group the biggest group of shitters on the planet

[winged sun]

i dont mind doing a key with you to show u how much sin can do on a +10

u can choose ur tank too

[vestal geyser]

so you can eat all the damage

[winged sun]

@midnight mist unlucky dude ur all shitters

4k io team last season can't do dps

gg

[vestal geyser]

again

a 15

[winged sun]

ye easier on lower keys

[vestal geyser]

show a 10 or less

[winged sun]

because u clearly dont understand how sin works

[vestal geyser]

where you do more than 10m overall

[carmine silo]

so thats 8M overall where you have a ret that does no damage

[vestal geyser]

like i said we dont know what keys this guy was running

[winged sun]

i've never had a conversation with a more clueless person before ngl

[vestal geyser]

but

[midnight mist]

ayo nerf assa

[vestal geyser]

you literally juyst proved my point no

the kye parse is a 99

[winged sun]

brother xd

assa does way more than 10m in low keys

its just giga broken there

[vestal geyser]

but

[main bridge]

another victim baited into an argument

[vestal geyser]

thats not 10 mil

[main bridge]

[winged sun]

i dont log my keys these are just pug logs

[winged sun]

its 9m overall with only skyfury too on details

[vestal geyser]

its a 99 parse for the key level

[winged sun]

xd

[vestal geyser]

its not going above 10 mil

[winged sun]

here

a random assa rogue

[vestal geyser]

still not 10 mil

[winged sun]

that prob doesnt know how to play the game

it is 10m

[midnight mist]

it is

[winged sun]

what are u talking about

[midnight mist]

10.5 on details

[winged sun]

[stable sinew]

Hey

Tf that’s me

[midnight mist]

hey random

how you doing

[winged sun]

hey random

how u doing

[stable sinew]

I was farming guildies 10s

[winged sun]

see

he was just chilling

and got a 10m

no tryhard

[stable sinew]

Rude

😂

[winged sun]

xdd

[vestal geyser]

its a 100 parse and sure details says 10m

so yeah possible i guess

[winged sun]

[midnight mist]

i mean no one that is good does 10s rn so

[vestal geyser]

but saying he has serious deficiency

[rocky ridge]

How many mobs does your tank pull to get numbers that high in 10 and lower keys?

[vestal geyser]

for not geting 10 mil

when its a 100 parse

[winged sun]

i did so many above 10m day 1 btw

[vestal geyser]

is crazy

[midnight mist]

why are you arguing with zeross tho

[winged sun]

u just werent playing

[normal mist]

False! I'm good and I do 10s! Change my mind

[winged sun]

with monksea

[midnight mist]

arguing with zeross in 2025 is crazy work

i stoppped a long time ago

[winged sun]

ur just baiting rn

because u know im right

[wide quail]

I am ilvl 702 with shitty trinkets, I did 6 mil dps in +10 HoA. This guy is doing 50% more dps than me 😵‍💫

[winged sun]

wont ping you again zac go back to outlaw

[midnight mist]

bait successfull

[stable sinew]

My feelings hurt

[winged sun]

what it was a yap msg i didnt say ur bad noob

[stable sinew]

Jk I was reading for entertainment

Lmfao

And then saw a screenie just funny af tho

Yeah idk the yap about not doing dam as assa is funny tho

[whole wolf]

Maybe a dumb question, is dungeon slice config from raidbots a good estimation of what I should be doing in m+ overall damage?

[winged sun]

@vestal geyser i had like 20 less ilvl 12m jumping to last boss

[midnight mist]

can you stop exposing me

[winged sun]

outlaw not buffing my ass

[main bridge]

not necessarily because sometimes people forget they have all raid buffs selected

[midnight mist]

please

[winged sun]

shit spec

[winged sun]

:caught: outlaw needs st buffs

fuck my nitro expired

[icy ether]

If raid buffs ARENT selected is it an okay sim for sim though

[stable sinew]

With lust fake ST assa dam

[winged sun]

dont expose my spec..

[midnight mist]

bro doesnt know

[whole wolf]

thanks for the answer, I tried removing all those as I tend to not have them, about ~15% less damages

[icy ether]

Show the dps meter when boss die

[stable sinew]

During execute tho assa ramps back up

It’s the middle no cds where that shit SINKS

[midnight mist]

farover was trully wasjhed up that day

[winged sun]

nah

fury was bad

i think

more than him being washed up

[wide quail]

Is that Farover .. #1 warrior dps ?

[pulsar plank]

Man why is everything so big in your ui

[winged sun]

wdym big what

[midnight mist]

big dps big ui

[icy ether]

the details meter flipped to overall

[winged sun]

oh

u want to see st

[midnight mist]

washed up

[winged sun]

guys can u stop asking for things in my vod like im gonna just be spamming 10 more photos

just check my vod or someshit

[idle plaza]

guys i have really bad stats low ilvl 2 set and i did 4.5 overall in +10 eco dome trying to warm my hands up again what u guys think?

[stable sinew]

That’s the ST I’m talking about baby we need buffs !

[icy ether]

I just wanted to see that sin rogue actually beat that outlaw in ST

[idle plaza]

this is my stats LOL

[icy ether]

I'd gladly trade 10% damage on splatter for 5% damage in ST

[winged sun]

i wouldn't

just buff my st and buff aoe too

[icy ether]

LOL

[midnight mist]

nerf assa

[silk sundial]

Damn. Running 31k mastery rn?

[pulsar plank]

Hey @midnight mist, what's your favorite version of outlaw?

[midnight mist]

10% aura to outlaw

[midnight mist]

current but without hero talent and with acro

[stable sinew]

Just buff all rogue specs and run 3

Get rid of raid buffs

[icy ether]

buff sin by enough that I can stop learning sub

[pulsar plank]

@midnight mist they killed it for me after fan the hammer nerf

[midnight mist]

df s3 i guess

[cyan dew]

If rup and garrote is not on pandemic, I'm about to send DM/KB and they will expire during the burst windows, should I renovate them before?

[midnight mist]

but df s3 was a buggy mess so

[vestal geyser]

thats a 15

[stable sinew]

Oh he’s back

You know all the “dam you lose”

From it being a lower key you gain in SD dmg

Since the mobs die faster

[winged sun]

nah

he doesn't understand that

dont bother

besides

[stable sinew]

Like if you deathmark your PRIO target in a 10

You can legit watch it die at 50% of SD

[winged sun]

anyone who thinks key parses matter already shows he doesnt understand shit

[stable sinew]

in that log you sent I was legit yapping and explaining what mobs to pull to guildies

Just bleed and spam on prio gg

[winged sun]

gg

[static glen]

i thought the same thing, was so confused why parses kept being brought up..

[short pond]

In fatebound is it okay to use envenom with 5+ cp?

[real pike]

has anyone dabbled with a non-bleed build in Streets?

[cobalt geyser]

5+cp finisher is fine

unless Darkest Night proc

[pulsar plank]

I watched the whole thing but I didnt understand why eu got beefed

[solar wyvern]

But my 🅱️ arse!!

[main bridge]

the point is to simulate the environment you're in. you wouldn't select all raid buffs for a m+ scenario, but you might select some if you play with a set group. you get what i mean?

[icy ether]

yea ik but some classes its a REALLY bad sim (ret paladin)

[main bridge]

i think if bleed isn't working for you there you should probably play sub

[idle plaza]

we do crit to wrists right?

[marsh fjord]

Doesnt matter

All side stats are so close to each other.

Just do crit/mastery or whatever floats your boat

[wide quail]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-white-persian-guardian-why-gif-10371245960573455153

[pulsar plank]

I wanna try out fdk but I dont want to go into trouble gearing it

[main bridge]

turbo boost is just around the corner

[winged sun]

ah

forgot how to disable that

wanted to do it for a week now

anyone knows how

[stable sinew]

There’s a cool Google plug to bypass that🫣

[winged sun]

dm me

also i wanna disable that

idk how

[hollow wyvern]

When the 4pc desyncs CDs in fatebound, do we just send or do we hold to line back up?

[last skiff]

Someone killed araz mythic? do you switch on the adds after the first soak?

[last skiff]

wait synchro

[hollow wyvern]

Thought so, ty.

[wise gull]

I just ignore and lineup with CB or my trinket which wasn't changed by the bug

[idle plaza]

hope i can find a placement for those 619 ilvl items XD

[normal mist]

Craft with weathered

[manic haven]

Is there any reason why my ritual forge and deathmark should be getting desynced if I am running deathstalker?

[winged sun]

fixed

[midnight mist]

plug?

[winged sun]

stop asking about plugs zac..

18+ question

[midnight mist]

sorry

[limber dew]

Anyone know the weak aura pack that whispyr is using that tells him to DM the boss and KB the boss etc with a countdown

[midnight mist]

its reminders most likely

so

either a mrt note with https://wago.io/n7l5uN3YM this weak aura

or mrt reminders directly

or liquid reminders

with their addon, but i think thats behind a patreon i dont remember

[limber dew]

not seen anything like that before.

[stable sinew]

Dm

[midnight mist]

to make a note you can use viserio cd planner

[midnight mist]

its used in higher raiding usually

to plan defensives cds

or offensive cds

[limber dew]

yeah i saw that too, was really good, i need to get it 😄

[hollow wyvern]

Another question about shiv in m+ build, after deathmark when we get 30s of lingering darkness, the first recharge of shiv gets used as soon as darkest night is up correct (the dry shiv). Do we send the second recharge just on cd since it will come back by the time deathmark comes round again? Or is there any reason to hold a shiv charge for something?

[muted ridge]

gg man, time to rename that video @balmy condor

antena diffed

[icy ether]

craft with weathered crests

[lunar yew]

is dungeon slice usable at all for assassination?

[golden loom]

yeah

[humble verge]

idk, is this scuffed

would it just be better to put em on top of eachothers again

🤨

[golden loom]

whatever works best for you

[humble verge]

idk i just moved to it now

to get a bit more space for middle ig

[golden loom]

idk I am close to just making my ui ugly as fuck but practical

[humble verge]

kekw

idk

my UI is practical

and ok-looking

i removed a bunch of weakauras

to add the norsken WA

for m+ atleast

[small cairn]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[humble verge]

made them so small

[limber dew]

in that spreadsheet it mentions 2 + 4 set. what does that mean ?

[lunar yew]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[median dragon]

somebody have wa with the number of targets with rupture and garrote? like a zerocool wa

[barren yarrow]

https://wago.io/XTpVNerm7

[stuck ether]

I checked Whispyr's bible of Assassination documentary on YT and I couldn't see anything about this, my WAs go mad indicating there's no bleeds on a target, even though I know I've just applied them, garrote & rupture are on targets, but WA says either not active or 1 sec left and reapply, I thought it might have been picking up darkest night proc and indicating AOE ramping.

[rose inlet]

for opener do you spend if you're at 5+ after kb or still hit the mutilate

[median dragon]

thx

[red schooner]

5+ = spend, unless you're running deathstalker at which point its 5+ = spend unless you have darkest night, at which points its a 7 combo point envenom

[warm vortex]

In the bottom 4 there are 3 of the specs i play

Sadge

[oblique slate]

What are you guys crafting next week? rings or neck right?

[gleaming geyser]

Looking like mast/crit neck for me based on droptimizer

[last skiff]

Any strat to get accepted in 15 without premade?

[copper hazel]

3.5k score

[last skiff]

I get accepted maybe 0,5% of the time

[coral ibex]

have 15s timed

[cyan dew]

If rup and garrote is not on pandemic, I'm about to send DM/KB and they will expire during the burst window, should I renovate them before?

[normal kindle]

New rogue spec incoming - spé BAGUETTE 🥖 !!!!

[somber patrol]

Is it possible to set focus target based on raid marks? In a macro

[royal lantern]

no?

[lean plover]

so zacs outlaw

[stable sinew]

Work your way up the key levels

[lucid silo]

imo anything is better than whatever outlaw is

[lean plover]

like with any other key levels, u wont likely get accepted with no 15s done bc u will have low io compared to all other applicants

do 1 or 2 of your own 15s and u will get a lot more invites

[lucid silo]

unless your IO last season was really good

or you're a healer

if you play a meta healer or tank you'll get into everything

[lean plover]

Yeah

bc theres a lot more dps compared to tanks healers

As dps u need to either be a decent/good spec or have insane score

[lucid silo]

god bless having other high rated friends

[lean plover]

Yeah, i run mostly with a lock i net a couple seasons ago

We play our keys exclusively but its nice to play with someone you can rely on

[lucid silo]

It kinda sucks because you dont realize how bad you are until you start playing with title level players who help you get better

[static glacier]

way ahead of you #outlaw message

[lean plover]

sry i dont read the cursed channel

no daggers no reading

[young reef]

did a whole completion +11 last night without realizing i had no fiber socketed

pain

how do you guys deal with arakara fist boss on assass btw

[normal mist]

i usually cry

[young reef]

it feels awful

felt like i shouldve gone sub lol

[normal mist]

then i wonder if i should go kill adds or not

[lean plover]

Well if tanks do boss near adds it s pretty chill

[coral ibex]

good tanks hold the boss next to the adds and good players dont stand under the boss when they're fixated

if you stand next to the boss you can cleave them all down

[young reef]

yeah i dont think ive had a tank that attempted that at all

coordinating with tank as sin is pain

[coral ibex]

if ur tank holds the boss away from the adds

dont swap

[young reef]

yeah thats what i did

[coral ibex]

tf are you gonna do to them

[young reef]

zdps

[stable sinew]

CT and rupture with bone spikes and back to boss if they’re not tanked by boss

[normal mist]

I've done ara kara a few times but theres still one thing i can't understand

can the adds go to the boss

[coral ibex]

they just can't get too close

[normal mist]

boss nom noms them right?

[young reef]

yeah i try this and then they all die before i return to boss so i get no damage amp lol

[stable sinew]

Felt, still better than sitting on zero energy training boss

[young reef]

i think someone was griefing the webs though

that also doesnt help

[lean plover]

If they get to the red circle u see when u target the boss ye

[normal mist]

tbf i already have ara portal, im never gonna do that dungeon again

if i could choose, it would be dawn and eco all week

[young reef]

i only did it cause it was my key

[coral ibex]

this is how it should be

cleaving

[young reef]

we wiped like three times to first boss so didnt even time lol

[coral ibex]

also for the dance mech

you can bait 2x circles in one spot

and then walk out

to save space

ofc pugs will never do this

[young reef]

ive proposed this to one or two groups and the tank is just like nah u cant do that lol

[silk sundial]

Idk. On 12 ara and below you can vanish, apply bleeds, ct shiv and watch the adds blow up

[coral ibex]

i guess, but you eventually need cds to kill the boss

[young reef]

yeah attempting to swap to adds in an uncoordinated group resulted in me having no damage

(i also started this saying i had no fiber socketed so ymmv lol)

[silk sundial]

This was 2 weeks ago. On a 10 iirc

[ocean ore]

There is a bug with assassin that doubles the cdr of ours CDs with fatebound?

[main bridge]

this is some cursed overall

caustic spatter damage criminally low

[silk sundial]

How are you gonna get caustic on avinox?

[ocean ore]

i mean, can we replicate it on purpose?

[silk sundial]

That was the boss encounter by itself lol

[ocean ore]

a lot of logs has twistle cds timers

so im following it wrong i think

[young reef]

as far as im aware no

it just happens

[last skiff]

lol really not I got all 14 timed and 3 15

[main bridge]

if there aren't adds you should probably play ST

i don't think i know that fight though

[silk sundial]

Ara kara

1st boss

Adds spawn but you can't cleave them

[main bridge]

ooh okay might be kinda hard to get spatter there

[tiny pollen]

So, Sublety is better than Assa right now?

[last skiff]

arakara 15

[silk sundial]

I was just messing around. Wanted to see how fast i could kill the adds that spawn

[young reef]

in pure single target no

[gentle delta]

!prism

[young reef]

in most boss scenarios with cleave sub seems better

or burst aoe

which is a decent amount of bosses

[gentle delta]

when do i send prism on fatebound st?

[autumn idol]

gm

[autumn idol]

always on deathmark

[gentle delta]

dont care about stacks? (unless ofc im holding for amp phase)

[autumn idol]

ig you could hold if your current mark wont be in execute but your next mark will be

or if theres a damage amp

[humble marsh]

yo need a tip about using kingsbane , should wait until i have 2 shivs and use them to boost kingsbane or send it on cd even if i have one shiv and won't have another ( talking about raid / boss encounter)

[flint escarp]

man CD timings on Nexus king SUCK

[red schooner]

Do they? On heroic you just... send on cooldown

[normal mist]

in raid you use KB on CD

[main bridge]

how so? they are perfect for fatebound

[flint escarp]

I get my death mark kings bane back at such awkward timings

[normal mist]

first KB with DM, you fit both shivs during DM, second KB with a shiv at the last 8 seconds of kb

[red schooner]

Just send on cooldown, don't think about it

And you're sorted.

[south sparrow]

I cant seem to find any specific info about mutilate crit% being fucked but how is it that with 35% crit +5% from talent tree and antenna my average mutilate crit is like 22%, even top log on frac is 24%

[red schooner]

Its up for the adds on the platform, its up for the amp

[silk sundial]

If you're playing fatebound it could be the dr bug. Otherwise it should line up perfectly for the platform and dmg amp

[red schooner]

We blast.

[ocean ore]

do u guys pooling before any kb? i was sending on cd literal but felling low on envenons during it

[red schooner]

Don't be unlucky

Though afaik, we don't have any crit related bugs

[flint escarp]

I feel like I get em back when the adds are at such a shitty life total like it doesn't feel worth to sen em

and then during damage amp i have nothing

[fresh kelp]

the "crit %" you might be referring to is averaging down due to hits counted as part of mutilate that don't crit, you can see the actual numbers by clicking the drop down

[young reef]

in your kb in between deathmarks, should you try to have combo points for envenom before the kb or save them for right after you hit kb

[autumn idol]

let me introduce you to my fractillus log

[south sparrow]

hmm i see, so I assume details is also auto averaging it

[silk sundial]

Do you have 4pc? Cause 1:30 lines up well

[balmy condor]

Details uptime/crit metrics without hovering specific lines are just nightmare fuel

That shit is all over the place

It’ll report your deathmark garrote uptime unless you unspoiler the garrotes

[clever sparrow]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[young reef]

does anyone know an answer to this or does it kinda just not matter

[normal mist]

the best answer is to envenom before KB

[young reef]

kk wasnt sure if that was only for your big kb or for both

ty

[haughty verge]

is there any tech other than cloak to skip interrogation cast on tazavesh first boss?

[humble marsh]

you can vanish before he finishes cast , he will try to pick another target that might be you again

[normal mist]

using vanish just for that

is kinda

eh

[runic hinge]

I mean it can redirect to someone who is less prepared. I just wouldn’t

[normal mist]

Happened to me on my 1st 10

And it was also my fault

[autumn idol]

just run out and feint

[normal mist]

Told my GF to FD (feing death)

healer got targeted and annihilated

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-hide-in-shrubs-hiding-in-bushes-disappear-into-hedges-embarrassed-gif-24183287

[balmy condor]

Did you tell her to dn

[normal mist]

around 7months ago

[proper forge]

yo, trying this spec out, if i want to have an easier time tracking debuffs are there was for that or should i mess with my plater?

[normal mist]

both

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[proper forge]

tyvm

[balmy condor]

Based

[normal mist]

[idle plaza]

i am tempted to craft 2nd wep...

[normal mist]

is that ragebait

[idle plaza]

i swear i have 649

[normal mist]

craft a 675 one

[idle plaza]

actually wednesday its reset so i will wait

[normal mist]

with weathered

[balmy condor]

Get one from nightfall

Or a world quest

[raw marlin]

@marsh fjord i have betrayed sin and play sub now.. pinging you to annoy you

@balmy condor I have been messing about with the apl stuff a little here and there, its crazy fun but also I can't imagine keeping this fully upto date from scratch ha

[balmy condor]

Can be annoying sometimes yeah

[main bridge]

Don’t equip the intellect dagger though

[autumn idol]

at zerocool

[pliant remnant]

PIGS

[autumn idol]

PIGS

[marsh fjord]

you always was a fotm player but that doesnt change the fact you suck at both spec's

[royal lantern]

kinda rude, but i dig it

[hollow fulcrum]

how many dots are we supposed to put up in a big pull for m+

[golden loom]

atleast 5 ruptures can send out a couple more if you like and then you build with garrote during carnage

garrote is your fan of knives until everything has it

[hollow fulcrum]

ahhh ok

after everytihng has garrote do you dm or dm before garrotes

[marsh fjord]

Thats how we talk to each other 😄

[golden loom]

well you wanna use your 12 second window of carnage but once stuff is bleeding you just send deathmark and spatter off the prio mob

but also gotta spend your combo points from garrote ofc

[old flicker]

is mdt sim still athing or do we jst dungeonslice?

[proper forge]

idk if i fucked somethin up but the wa only tracks garrote and rupture for me

no caustic spatter no tempest

[raw furnace]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[tawdry flint]

Is this nicedamage for your combat text?

[balmy condor]

That kinda looks like my plater

Under all the insane number vomit

And the OmniCC numbers overlapping

[tawdry flint]

Your plater profile is 10/10 👊

[balmy condor]

Ty

[balmy condor]

But if you’re talking about my plater, that’s by design yes

[proper forge]

yea it is urs

aite thought i did something wrong

[balmy condor]

Crimson tempest is a thin red border

Caustic/deathstalker is tracked through coloring the plate

[dry night]

Should I be Using Deathmark at the beginning of a pull in m+ or halfway through for sudden demise?

[balmy condor]

Definitely the start considering sudden demise is a damage loss

[dry night]

So Right After Double garrote and rupture and ct?

[balmy condor]

Yeh that’s reasonable

[dry night]

I See

[raw marlin]

is sub even fotm? I swapped cause i hate mark so much

[proper forge]

ok i see the caustic atm

[stone locust]

I know this question has been asked many times but I need to for clarification. Does shadowmeld from Night Elf Racial reset stealth for Indiscriminate Carnage?

[rocky ridge]

!shiv macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[balmy condor]

No, you would have to meld into an actual stealth

(Good luck)

[stone locust]

I am looking to see if it would be worth doing a faction change with my current rogue, it is an alt, im running 16 keys on DK atm so im trying to optimize the alt. I see people running maghar orc for the 2min DM Cooldown, is that worth doing or is the difference so small so as not to worry about it (mainly M+ focus player)

@wild raven Thank you for such a quick response

[raw marlin]

void elf for the teleport

zoooooooooooooomy

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t matter

Some people dwarf

Some maghar

[warm vortex]

Istg the stop change is horrible
Been around a while and i still hate it

[balmy condor]

Some regular orc

Just play whatever

[golden loom]

Human bis

[severe meadow]

^

[red schooner]

Troll bis

[autumn idol]

blood elf bis

[royal lantern]

🦊

[fierce cipher]

@balmy condor since your the guru, would you rec picking up the 2p at champ level?

[autumn idol]

dont mind me im a certified gooner

[quaint nimbus]

blood elf bis for tmog which is the real thing that matters in WoW

[golden loom]

Void elf has better hairstyles + alliance

[autumn idol]

horde > alliance

[golden loom]

So velf is sadly just way better

[autumn idol]

exactly

funnily enough

the daggers on mythic from coomithar fit my mog 1 to 1

[quaint nimbus]

If I cannot look good what is the point

[balmy condor]

2 piece is easily the biggest dps upgrade you could get at any point in the expansion, so that sounds pretty good

[fierce cipher]

Thank you.

[golden loom]

I use the nexus king daggers and the murloc suit

[balmy condor]

[autumn idol]

i will nexus your king

[quaint nimbus]

I’m currently rocking those pretty constellation daggers

I like space

[proper forge]

tempest is the only one that doesn't work now

unless again im not getting something

[quaint nimbus]

Murloc should be the next playable race

[proper forge]

other trackers work

[balmy condor]

Hmmm, what’s the mod settings say

[quaint nimbus]

Yes good

[marsh fjord]

i would also say that

[balmy condor]

If you go to the mod tab and then click on the recolor mod

[proper forge]

sec

oh lol

they're all disabled wtf

[golden loom]

Week I started retail I went to black temple and I have used cursed vision on every leather char since

[balmy condor]

Just like me

[proper forge]

aite tyvm

[balmy condor]

Imagine a maghar orc, with the blackfuse coat, and then right, you add engi goggles or eye patch? Never been done before

Might be tuff NOT SURE THOUGH

[golden loom]

I do also use the coat a lot!

[pliant remnant]

Whispyr?

More like

Innovatyr

[golden loom]

Especially on plate classes cause fuck plate!!!!!

[pliant remnant]

'cause god damn

[golden loom]

My warrior and my demon hunter look the exact same!! Both are elves with katana swords + darkfuse coat!!

[balmy condor]

I’m just insanely original what can I say

[livid dagger]

We posting mogs ? Just farmed one if we’re allowed to drop a SS here

[balmy condor]

YOLO

[quaint nimbus]

I just googled what the blackfuse coat is and holy i need that

[balmy condor]

If I ban you I ban you

[livid dagger]

Had to do so many hours of shadowlands 😠

[balmy condor]

Yeah you and every edgy 17 year old playing a rogue in the last 3 months

[quaint nimbus]

She got her dawgs out

[quaint nimbus]

I just like the matrix ;-; I grew up on it

[golden loom]

I am a edgy 17 year old (i turn 27 in 10 days)

[quaint nimbus]

Reminds me of neo’s jacket

[balmy condor]

It’s a sick mog but it lost literally all its charm cause every 3rd rogue is wearing that shit

[quaint nimbus]

Damn 😔

[livid dagger]

Never played that xpac, saw someone with the wings the other day and liked em

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-clone-wars-begun-the-clone-war-has-gif-21159557

[balmy condor]

This is sick though

[golden loom]

Thats why I delve, cant see other people copy my sick mog

[balmy condor]

Kyrian is goated

[quaint nimbus]

Im currently wearing the full mythic set from Argus, but before that I was running around naked with a bear hat and two shitty looking daggers lol

[blazing tulip]

Rocking ZulAman gear.

[golden loom]

I also do not have a creative bone in my body

[sterile swallow]

I just go nuts when I find mog I like and then one of the two primary colors are not the same tint.

[warm vortex]

Or neo

Yea haha Nic even pointed it out

[normal mist]

Never seen you at the #transmog channel, where we people often

[warm vortex]

I just got the shirts, shorts, glasses

[normal mist]

Even fuu goes there from time to time!

[normal mist]

HOT

[warm vortex]

:D

[livid dagger]

Chill my mom reads chat

[balmy condor]

I just wear sets

[normal mist]

most of the time, me too

[warm vortex]

It wasn't even originally a slutmog, i just didn't like any of the other shirts XD

[humble verge]

we love progging on soul hunters

[warm vortex]

Dopee

My Hunters just ing it up

sadly

[viscid spear]

I try my best to not have half my mog be from the same set

[fallow canopy]

feel like not many people use this set but i'm ready for the

[raw marlin]

I play both still but been ‘pushing’ 13/14s on my sub and it’s just more enjoyable.

Boss damage in pugs is also super helpful

[warm lantern]

!bugs

[willow grotto]

red pill or blue pill ? (matrix ref.)

[marsh fjord]

when assa gets fixed hes back on assa again

[humble verge]

maybe ill have to play sub for keys now

im doing 16s as assa tho

but boss damage without funnel feels like ass

[rich imp]

Which rotation is harder right now or are they pretty much the same? Ass vs sub

[humble verge]

the una family!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! @maiden sierra

[main bridge]

assa is the easiest of the three specs IMO

[lethal lynx]

I can't help but do tank damage ig

[main bridge]

[humble verge]

whar

what dung is this

[normal mist]

him being second is even more frightening

he isnt even 3rd

[humble verge]

[main bridge]

[fleet pagoda]

[humble verge]

what was the dung?

also ig dk on top

[lethal lynx]

his buddy did 2.69m as frost dk

Gambit btw

[humble verge]

[normal mist]

overall everyone but the tank is low then

if thats gambit

[lethal lynx]

he killed me on one of the packs tbf

[hexed root]

how are you liking sin on hunters? was surprised to see how much outlaw/sin is outweighing sub for soul hunters

[lethal lynx]

I'm just gonna blame my gear

again

[normal mist]

how low are you

[lethal lynx]

689

[warm vortex]

:O

[inner mica]

do for m+ the weapon enchants change now ?

[main bridge]

you can sim your best enchants

[humble verge]

im used to playing sin in general, so its ok

the only aids thing is when u wanna CT and bloodwrath jumps away

[lost wharf]

I am progging Forgeweaver. I am wondering why I have to do an immunity soak. The tooltip says aslong as I have the debuff I don't count

[humble verge]

you lose the debuff

[maiden sierra]

no way, im so the top left guy

[humble verge]

so you have no circle

but you still wanna go to your assigned spot

[lost wharf]

I don't think so?

[humble verge]

you do

[hollow fulcrum]

im so confused

[lost wharf]

I'm gonna check again

[humble verge]

i literally killed him an hour ago

2h ago*

[hollow fulcrum]

i was doing like 15-20m in big packs and now im doing like 10

tf

[maiden sierra]

3 day raid guild?

[humble verge]

jau

[fallow canopy]

just in case, the healing absorb still gets on you unless you cloak in the last second of the cast

[maiden sierra]

i see

[humble verge]

false, thats me

[maiden sierra]

my guild does only 2 days and we got araz to 5% before wiping 🙁

next week i guess

[hexed root]

started prepping outlaw for it assuming the bugs were too intense for it to good for prog, glad to be wrong

o7

[maiden sierra]

dont people just play bleed build on hunters?

[humble verge]

yes

[maiden sierra]

the one that does not take the bugged talents

[hexed root]

https://tenor.com/view/asdf-asdfmovie-i-can't-read-i-cant-read-punished-lion-gif-3532527054645921660

[lost wharf]

You're right. My bad. Must've seen it wrong

[maiden sierra]

lies youre bottom left

an esteemed gentleman

[hexed root]

there was a sin rogue in the top 5 on hunters, they got pushed out a bit ago haha

[ancient pasture]

crazy how it seems that ass rog has become the least played by top players, both sub and outlaw outrank it.

How fucking asleep are these ass devs?!

[hexed root]

sub OP for prog

[humble verge]

true true

[ancient pasture]

im so fucking bad at sub its insane

[summer viper]

why our assa peeps are swapping to sub for highkeys

[ancient pasture]

im lucky if i blue parse, most are grey/green

Bugs bro

if i recall its like 10-15% aoe dmg nerfs

[hexed root]

top 20 m+ rogues are all outlaw/sub i think

[main bridge]

why not ask those people?

i'm sure at least one of them streams

[ancient pasture]

top guy said is just bugs

[main bridge]

i think the bugs excuse is pretty stupid because most people would not have been aware there were bugs until that clickbait video came out

not all of the bugs are even new

[ancient pasture]

It takes a bit for the meta to evolve, but a 10-15% nerf to aoe is easily enough to make people swap

[summer viper]

whyspyrs?

[ancient pasture]

Zeross said on stream that if bugs gets fixed he's going back to assa. Read into that what you will

[main bridge]

no

Kira made a video that called the bugs a "HIDDEN NERF"

and the week it came out we had 500 people come in here asking about it

[summer viper]

krk

okay

[lucid silo]

wait are we bugged

[hexed root]

sheesh if zeross isnt playing ass we're really ass

[proper forge]

where tf even is this from

not the first tmog i see with it

where do u get this jacket

[coral ibex]

cartel rep

for the 5th cartel

[proper forge]

oh last szn?

cool ty

[coral ibex]

yea

[lucid silo]

who wants to spend 3 hours taking pictures of bees to be allowed to do dailies

[proper forge]

do the car delivery thingies give rep

or do i have to slog it for weeks

[willow grotto]

cartel rep on undermine

boring grind, farm junk piles

[main bridge]

imagine grinding rep for hours just so you can look like every other rogue

couldn't be me

[willow grotto]

imagine playing a video game to get a transmog you like

[grave osprey]

!bugs

Lame

[main bridge]

[midnight atlas]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[runic hinge]

Oh the most fotm brained streamer of this discord is gonna reroll again. Wow. Breaking news

[frigid lagoon]

if we get the bug where the 4p procs twice, what are we meant to do? just wait for vendetta before using kb?

[main bridge]

ya i dunno why you'd care about this at all

[autumn idol]

what are we saying

fotm brained

[runic hinge]

I guess people love following streamer hype

[autumn idol]

man is literally playing on the bleeding edge

why would you want to handicap yourself

by playing something thats clearly worse

[runic hinge]

Which doesn’t matter cause we have turbo boost and classing tuning ten times before the patch ends

[autumn idol]

so whats youradvice

just dont play

[runic hinge]

Play what’s fun

[autumn idol]

and to them, fun is pushing themselves as hard as they can

[main bridge]

pretending that the way he plays is the only way or the optimal way to play for you is the same nonsense that drives the thinking that you need the ultra meta comp in your weekly vault keys

[runic hinge]

And they tell people assa is unplayable because of bugs and yet it’s not

[autumn idol]

contextually, its unplayable for them

[autumn idol]

this happens in every single game where there are meta comps

[normal mist]

they are the top 1% giving that info to people doing 10-12s

[autumn idol]

this is not just a wow streamer problem

[autumn idol]

literally happens in every single game

[runic hinge]

Sounds like me saying fotm brained is correct then lol

[autumn idol]

stop crying about top 1% and play the game

[normal mist]

Are we supposed to be ok with it?

[autumn idol]

you can't stop this culture from happening

[runic hinge]

I’ll stop complaining when they don’t send 500 people a day crying about assa being unplayable in their weekly keys

[autumn idol]

people will gravitate to whats best

you do too

i do as well

[normal mist]

i dont

i just play assa

[runic hinge]

I play assa every season regardless

[fresh kelp]

#assassination message

[runic hinge]

True

[autumn idol]

its not about you playing assa

when you play keys

you pick the classes that are stronger than others

that's "fotm brained"

[runic hinge]

I play with my friends actually

[autumn idol]

otherwise you'd just be picking everything

great buddy

you're the exception

congratulations

[runic hinge]

Damn you’re worked up

[fresh kelp]

i think the problem lies more with people who watch these streamers and think their comments about the viability of specs applies at all to weekly key doers

[autumn idol]

the other 99.99% of population behave otherwise

[normal mist]

e x a c t l y

[fresh kelp]

i dont think its fair to expect people like zeross to throw in "oh but of course this doesn't apply to weekly keys" whenever they talk about anything

[autumn idol]

the people with this mindset are not even able to time their weeklies so

[unborn rain]

anyone else have weak wrists from sins high apm

[runic hinge]

Yeah

[unborn rain]

how to fix

[autumn idol]

another position for your wrist

something thats more comfortable

[autumn idol]

i agree, when they talk, it's obviously in the context of the gameplay that they're currently doing

dw

[lethal lynx]

Anyone got any advice for my nameplates lmao

this shit is just unreadable to me in an actual dungeon

[normal mist]

whispyr plater p.e

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[frigid lagoon]

thing about casual is it seems he played assa in 2 halls 17

[unborn rain]

who up stretching their carpal rn

[thorn thorn]

[hexed root]

assa very playable in weekly keys, its all I did to get 3k

[normal mist]

we know

thats not the issue

[hexed root]

https://tenor.com/view/moneyball-gif-17169187736817558121

[scarlet spade]

!bugs

[lyric nebula]

yo, netherprism or ritual forge for m+? both oin 704 . SIM for dungoen slice say ritualforge, but im not sure if its reliable sim for netherprism

[stable sinew]

Pris

[severe meadow]

Check pins pookie

[brave zenith]

do i have to fly into the wall on fractillus or could i just shadowstep during the push to still break the wall?

[scarlet spade]

aye I did I was curious if there was like a flat % of dmg that is missing from the bugs I know there was a spreadsheet floating around

[severe meadow]

1%-100%, somewhere in between

[scarlet spade]

saw someone on reddit saying it was like a 10-15% loss

[normal mist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy3vDx7jKD0&

[fallow canopy]

Thats cap

[scarlet spade]

yeah seemed super extreme

[waxen oyster]

People talk as if assa isnt doing like 10m overalls at least still

in every bigger mob density key

[midnight atlas]

whispyr plater no longer shows white when u got DM or brown for both?

[wary moth]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[safe wasp]

Hi, on Araz fight with deathstalker build, I keep losing my mark with the switch on the Echo's add and pilars... should I stay on Araz all along ? Or what I'm missing ? :<

[hollow smelt]

Play sub instead

[normal mist]

play Fatebound

[coral ibex]

why is everyone using pot on pull for fract mythic

the fight is ~5m

[waxen oyster]

pillars make you lose your mark

you just vanish for burn

[coral ibex]

wouldn't you want to save your pot for your execute DM

[waxen oyster]

if you lose mark on the echo that’s just skill issue

[safe wasp]

Often the echo die and i'm not yet at the 3th mark, so it's not refund

[waxen oyster]

If you had mark on the echo and it dies

it should give dn

[terse talon]

you hade to enable it in the scripts I think

[safe wasp]

for Fateboud I'm afraid with all the small add will mess with "deleverd room"

[coral ibex]

play fatebound or sub

or accept you lose your mark for pylons

[safe wasp]

yeah... but I dunno why but my mark just "vanish" so often on this fight, its insane

[coral ibex]

because the pylons dont refund mark when they die

if you move mark to them with DN, you will need to either hold DN near when they die or just vanish on the boss after

[waxen oyster]

This was before caustic was bugged with singular

[safe wasp]

ok, so safe to swap the mark from Araz to Echo's, giving up the mark for pylons, and vanish after the 3 pylons to reapply mark on Araz

[waxen oyster]

you cant mark pylons

unless you want to vanish for it back on araz

[grave osprey]

Play frost tbh

Brain dead and ez top dps

[waxen oyster]

I mean assa is an easy spec

tbf

not much off

[safe wasp]

fatebound could be doable even with the small adds ?

[grave osprey]

In raid maybe, but assa def has way more going on in AoE than many other specs

[waxen oyster]

Depends how good you are multidotting

[grave osprey]

Not even that. Assa skill ceiling in keys can be high. The difference between a good assa player and someone who is new can be quite dramatic

[bright charm]

well yeah but like it's all relative

it's easy relative to the other specs

[grave osprey]

I disagree

[naive python]

ST bosses in keys can be a problem for newer players

[waxen oyster]

Assa in raid is just a joke

im half brain afk playing this spec

on bosses

[grave osprey]

ST assa is literally the easiest spec. Im talking m+ AoE

[waxen oyster]

Its just multidotting

which IC made easy

[grave osprey]

Its not just multi dotting.

[oblique flare]

Let mark at boss if you do pylons quick enough or take it with you and apply it to one of the adds - if you have vanish it's w/e

[grave osprey]

There are many other things you can do to maximize your dps as assa in m+

[waxen oyster]

I mean its that and then spatter off something

[grave osprey]

Not many players can pick up assa and then pop off a 35m AoE burst like this guy @winged sun

[rain coral]

hey guys what kind of macro you use for youre trick and trade?

[brave chasm]

Focus or mouseoveri find best

[vapid terrace]

35? Dang I'm doing something wrong then.

[grave osprey]

Might of been 40 tbh lol

[vapid terrace]

I get 25-30, but that's quite a bit more. What trinket?

[waxen oyster]

Probably forge

or a stacked prism mid key

[errant hawk]

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[vapid terrace]

Yeah I was thinking prism. I have a heroic version, haven't used it yet though

[stable sinew]

Must be nice. Sitting on a normal one

[young reef]

around what range should bleed build be simming for dslice

[waxen oyster]

Yeah i mean like sub on dawnbreaker, 25m on miniboss never hit bp once

xD

[grave osprey]

Normal one is good too. Iirc the mythic one is the one that scales crazy

[stable sinew]

Yes I know

[rancid summit]

Just did some keys on my rogue. Hadn't played him much the last few weeks. Felt kinda terrible compared to previous seasons. Is that expected?

[grave osprey]

Should feel pretty similar if you’re using the bleed build

[rancid summit]

Yea, I am. Damage just felt lower. Mark had even more issues. Single target boss damage was almost tank level

[grave osprey]

ST is def rough in m+

[analog field]

same as last season

[ebon prism]

ST is doodoo

[analog field]

you do like 3 mil st

[grave osprey]

While everyone else including the tank does 4m+ 😅🤣

[analog field]

nah

[grave osprey]

Its a joke.

[waxen oyster]

its better this season

[ocean quiver]

simbait or real? 5min 1 boss, st build

Those enchants are 0.9% increase in dps

[spice surge]

Compared to what? Radiant power?

[ocean quiver]

yeah

[glass spade]

Do we have the full 12 seconds of IC to apply an IG, or does it go to a regular one once the subterfuge window ends?

[ocean quiver]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aVkaWQpD2Tg6QBbeLgJ1iU

[spice surge]

Ye that makes sense

[ocean quiver]

Aight

Gonna put it on then

[spice surge]

The secondary ones are better

[ocean quiver]

need any damage I can right now my damage is so bad

[analog field]

put crit better probably

if you want for raid

[scenic mulch]

for ST just dont dumpster your energy

and keep sanguine blades rolling

[ocean quiver]

council guilie?

[scenic mulch]

you wont do tank damage, but in an ideal world ppl pull mobs in for your damage amp ruptures

[midnight atlas]

damn i've been using combat pots when fighting mobs in the world because its macroed to deathmark

[scenic mulch]

overall playing in pugs as sin is a nightmare

[coral ibex]

full IC window

[scenic mulch]

tank decides to pull a pack when you have a mob at 10 hp and u cant reset stealth its just fucked

[ocean quiver]

@analog field thing is, in the sim it's lower than stonebound artistry

by 0.1%

[coral ibex]

12s with subterfuge

[glass spade]

okay so theyre the improved garrote

I see I see

[analog field]

weird but w/e sim says , probably it will be easier to find items with mastery than crit i'd say

but 0.1 is random

[ocean quiver]

Yeah true

so the crit one will be better then?

[stable sinew]

Whatever your sims say is better for your current gear

Go with

[ocean quiver]

meh took the crit ones

0.1% not much difference

still a 0.8% increase from what I had on

instead of 0.9%