u just dont get the benefit if you have DN up
#assassination
golden loom
bronze marsh
was gonna say that's omegacooked
golden loom
cause u wont have a active mark
half tartan
Sounds so bad
bronze marsh
rogue tier sets in general needed some more time in the oven
half tartan
Do we have a rough ETA on %dps for new 2 and 4 set?
golden loom
Do we have a rough ETA on %dps for new 2 and 4 set?
like 9% total
grave osprey
That means nothing to me. I’ll still top dps in 95% of my lfr pug raids
I’m just built different
zinc vale
Well you're special case buddy
golden loom
hmm I wonder what kind of conversation you will find if you scroll up in the channel the past 2 hours
grave osprey
I’m not a special case * I’m a typical case
golden loom
surely PTR sims are good info 
tropic rover
That storm bringer line goes hard
grave osprey
surely PTR sims are good info <:poggers:652288776021999626>
Wait, you don’t look at these and immediately swap class for your casual heroic raid prog?
prisma cypress
wheres my pack leader survival?
spare kayak
Wait, you don’t look at these and immediately swap class for your casual heroic ...
Of course we do. I swap classes every Sunday after the new m+ tier lists are cooked.
half tartan
Lol a bit of RNG and were below the tanks
gritty laurel
i don't need RNG to do less than tank DPS, it's pure skill buddy
royal lantern
Of course we do. I swap classes every Sunday after the new m+ tier lists are coo...
wowhead dmg overall posts tell me my character for the next week
gritty laurel
my brother plays destro and tells me that sin is overtuned (we're heroic raiders ffs) so every time destro is above sin in any of those charts i send it to him and ask why he didn't outdps me
pliant remnant
Does he at least beat you on Cauldron?
gritty laurel
no
vocal basalt
Tell him to go play paladin
pliant remnant
Yeah I think that might just be a handless angle
Sims sim with having functional hands in mind
grave osprey
Tell him to go play paladin
Id argue that destro is easier than ret 🤣
grave osprey
People when mages are at the top of the dps charts. : 😴💤
stable apex
https://tenor.com/view/uff-gif-24271417
All because they got bullied by a max level rogue in vanilla once
grave osprey
All because they got bullied by a max level rogue in vanilla once
In booty bay?
vocal basalt
Imagine a class thats meant to end things quickly...end things quickly
Who woulda thunk
weary spear
surely PTR sims are good info <:poggers:652288776021999626>
In this context they are cuz we want buffs
slim hamlet
is using shiv before enemy reaches 20% health a thing for this?
weary spear
is using shiv before enemy reaches 20% health a thing for this?
No
slim hamlet
does it just not work, or is it just not worth
bronze marsh
if its anything like sub its baby damage
golden loom
is using shiv before enemy reaches 20% health a thing for this?
this is the worst talent in the game sadly
slim hamlet
yea idk it seemed like it would be more looking at my scuffed lvl 71 numbers but its literally nothing wtf
spice surge
this is the worst talent in the game sadly
Perforated veins and shadow focus in the sub tree is worse
slim hamlet
on longest fight random log I found its 3.29m and average envenom cast 5.79 
Yea but sub is a fake spec, so
golden loom
well one problem with fatal intent is that it also stops counting at 30% hp or something
so if it times out before boss hits 20%
then gg 🙂
spice surge
Yep
slim hamlet
shadow heart is based
golden loom
it has a timer? <:xdx:1254146974014373888>
1 min like most debuffs or whatever
slim hamlet
I cant belive they added shadow heart in for a rework
spice surge
shadow heart exsits
I mean obviously but thats a utility talent, not a dps talent
golden loom
but I mean the problem is that it stops counting at a value that isnt when it procs
slim hamlet
I wonder if you used intent to kill for everything ever if you would ever find a case where that reduced shadowstep cooldown actually helped
spare kayak
my brother plays destro and tells me that sin is overtuned (we're heroic raiders...
Chad move
thorn fjord
Hi Friends
coral ibex
tidal dagger
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
storm forum
We've all moved on to priest
bitter trout
Perforated veins and shadow focus in the sub tree is worse
Have you heard of riposte 
spice surge
Have you heard of riposte <:garf:1320173032743899157>
I mean sure, but you read that and think "ah this is useless"
Whereas the ones i mentioned in sub look like they provide you with more damage at first glance
bitter trout
Fair
runic hinge
New season new me
Are you gonna play again?
thorn fjord
Rode the bench most of the tier
runic hinge
I see
ebon prism
With single shiv m+ build, do I death mark, KB, then shiv with 7 seconds left on KB? Do I not vanish unless I take MA?
waxen oyster
doesnt the single shiv build play MA
runic hinge
With single shiv m+ build, do I death mark, KB, then shiv with 7 seconds left on...
If you only have one charge of shiv you would shiv the end of kb yes
ebon prism
Iunno I take twist the knife instead
coral ibex
you always shiv the end of kb
ebon prism
I see people take lightweight shiv over improved garrote tho. Is that better?
coral ibex
!builds
prisma monolithBOT
Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:
- If you have to ask, you should play bleed
- If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed
Some general concepts as to why people play different things:
- Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
- Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
- Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
- Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.
runic hinge
How high of keys are you doing?
ebon prism
I'm main swapping, but I've done 18s on main
I'll prob get a few 17s in before season ends
So id prefer to familiarize myself with the build for higher keys, espec if it's what we play next season
runic hinge
forced induction needs a big target with tanks pulling around you for it to really shine so the highest io rogues use it in their premades, bleed has timed 20's so its fine to use
ebon prism
Oh ok so 15-17 range still good to play bleed build
runic hinge
definitely
ebon prism
And not even hybrid, but just bleed build?
runic hinge
hybrid is fine but is a little behind like 4% maybe to bleed but it also needs a target to live a full kb to get value
thorn fjord
such fun
runic hinge
yeah, its just easy to play and you always have damage, ST can get a little stinky depending on where your DM falls on boss hp but I figure I'm speeding up the key enough by deleting all the trash that my ST can be whatever
thorn fjord
@runic hinge should i main swap mage?
golden loom
hybrid is kinda stinky winky
opaque geyser
Is it difficult to play?
thorn fjord
we have like a billion melee
ebon prism
Sweet. Where can I get best bleed build for 15-17 range keys?
golden loom
bleed or cleave are the 2 options imo
runic hinge
<@221124352861667340> should i main swap mage?
I'm playing spriest next season cause we also have a million melee
runic hinge
Sweet. Where can I get best bleed build for 15-17 range keys?
in the bot message above there's one
ebon prism
Ty!
runic hinge
Is it difficult to play?
bleed is the easiest version of assa M+
opaque geyser
Okie dokie
ebon prism
Omg it doesn't even have KB lol
runic hinge
hybrid is kinda stinky winky
I play hybrid sometimes when I feel bored of bleed and then I'm reminded it's more work for about the same damage
runic hinge
Omg it doesn't even have KB lol
it is very straight forward
thorn fjord
Do you gotta pick the weapons up in order for the encounter to conitnue when killing Kael?
seems like it
bleh
opaque geyser
Is there a good way to keep track of bleeds you spread around? Do you just manually click nameplates or tab target?
remote python
Do you gotta pick the weapons up in order for the encounter to conitnue when kil...
yes
thorn fjord
figured
ebon prism
it is very straight forward
What's the guidance on using DM, shiv, vanish? Assume opener for AOE pack is ambush, garrote, rupture, rupture, garrote, muti, CT, DM, shiv, fok, envenom, fok, envenom?
runic hinge
What's the guidance on using DM, shiv, vanish? Assume opener for AOE pack is amb...
Some of the start of dm will be covered by your initial MA but once that runs out you can vanish
Getting garrote on everything is usually good as well with bleed
ebon prism
Ok but that opener seems right? Then vanish once MA ends? Or add another garrote if more than 6 targets?
runic hinge
Is there a good way to keep track of bleeds you spread around? Do you just manua...
do you use plater?
spice surge
So what youre gonna do is garote 1, garote 2....
coral ibex
hang on slow down eleem
runic hinge
Ok but that opener seems right? Then vanish once MA ends? Or add another garrote...
yeah that sounds good
ebon prism
Ty!
opaque geyser
do you use plater?
I do. I guess what I meant was if there’s an efficient way to cycle between targets when applying my bleeds
opaque geyser
Ok
runic hinge
!carnage
prisma monolithBOT
Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required
- The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
- You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets
Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.
It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.
runic hinge
I do. I guess what I meant was if there’s an efficient way to cycle between targ...
read that^ and see what you think
opaque geyser
Ahh ok very helpful gotcha
runic hinge
I don't use mouseovers and I don't target swap, cause I'm lazy and also I dont do the highest keys so it's kinda whatever to me
opaque geyser
That make sense
strange tundra
I don't use mouseovers and I don't target swap, cause I'm lazy and also I dont d...
2k
runic hinge
2k <:garf:1320173032743899157>
big 2k gamer
zenith elm
@rotund oak do you have an alt called sapandtap?
glass fulcrum
spice spire
So what youre gonna do is garote 1, garote 2....
coral ibex
look at my damage right now.
rotund oak
<@363351758765948929> do you have an alt called sapandtap?
cute but no
my alts have no connection to my OG name
i wanna remain undercover
gritty laurel
whenever i make an alt i just mash the name generator until i get something within a few letters of sounding decent
cbf to play games with what blizzard will deem worthy of a name change
chrome mirage
If I cant get a 3-4 letter name then I cbf to play that alt
pliant remnant
Garrote 3, Rupture 4, Vendetta, Exsanguinate, yeah?
Then you gonna FoK FoK, Rupture again
You gonna Vanish, re-apply Garrotes, especially on the target you don't have, and that's it
then you gonna CT...uhh, Crimson Tempest
look at my damage
right now
wild thorn
whats vendetta
chrome mirage
Garrote 3, Rupture 4, Vendetta, Exsanguinate, yeah?
vendetta and exsang, what year is it
pliant remnant
grave osprey
Is chain pulling more detrimental on bleed build vs hybrid in m+?
wild thorn
bleed def
chrome mirage
BFA 
grave osprey
Vendetta was lit mon
chrome mirage
I was 13 in 2004 
wild thorn
gg
rigid flicker
I was 13 in 1985 😢
indigo mulch
Boomers unite!
rigid flicker
wild thorn
I was 13 in 1985 😢
Damn ur a few years older than my parents
main bridge
rigid flicker
Sin for the win??
zenith elm
Always haha
waxen oyster
bfa was an outlaw expansion
I was scrolling through bfa screenshots the other day, a whole lot of gamerwords were said.
In that expansion.
rigid flicker
I stopped playing in Mist and came back in Shadowlands. Been playing since Vanilla wow.
waxen oyster
Quitting during peak
wild thorn
i heard mists was pretty ass
rigid flicker
I had 2 teenagers at home and both played sports, so no time for wow back then.
waxen oyster
i heard mists was pretty ass
First patch yes
Also rogue combo points were target bound 
raw marlin
ive just bought an ultrawide 4k monitor.. do i now become good at this game or do I need anything else? Gaming chair is good atm
wild thorn
ive just bought an ultrawide 4k monitor.. do i now become good at this game or d...
real gamers play on 1080p...
rigid flicker
rofl. Your good boss!
raw marlin
real gamers play on 1080p...
i mean i still have my 32 inch 1080p above this one coming
and on the side a 27 inch 1080p
so...
wild thorn
32 inch 1080p is crazy
raw marlin
crazy good or crazy bad?
wild thorn
neither probably ive just never heard of one
raw marlin
going to go for something like this i guess
raw marlin
I find playing on more than a 24 inch monitor
24? what lol
waxen oyster
27 is the max i'd play on
red schooner
I've just got 3 18 inch monitors, this is fine
raw marlin
No bigger screen is harder to see everything at once.
no.. because the center is the same
wild thorn
I've just got 3 18 inch monitors, this is fine
goddamn
raw marlin
and if you have ui centers.. literally 0 difference to an ultrawide
except you can yeet shitty MRT or notes or some crap to the side
raw marlin
I've just got 3 18 inch monitors, this is fine
3 inch monitors? wtf is this
waxen oyster
Again thats personal performance
rigid flicker
I use the Samsung 49" G9
red schooner
3 inch monitors? wtf is this
3 monitors, each of which are 18 inches
raw marlin
how small is your eyesight
red schooner
3, 18 inch monitors
raw marlin
i can see all my monitor in the big sense
wild thorn
bro got blackbars irl
rigid flicker
rofl
rigid flicker
Yea the ultra wide would suck for FPS.
rigid flicker
For raiding though it is amazing.
wild thorn
For everything else than gaming ultra wide is nice
wild thorn
ive never had a non mechanical keyboard
they started popping when i got my pc
in like 2018 or 2019
waxen oyster
God i remember when i was like 13/14
such a lil shit
trashtalking other healers for low hps
🤣
wild thorn
i was hit with covid lockdowns in peak school years smh
that shit ruined alot of teenagers
waxen oyster
watch the warrior's dps cooldowns
just to bop him on reck bladestorm
Yeah it also ruined places staying open late
raw marlin
Yea the ultra wide would suck for FPS.
ive heard it doesnt actually matter 99% of the time, you just see more but the middle/center is exactly the same
raw marlin
For everything else than gaming ultra wide is nice
yh this is also my work computer as I work for myself so I am on it 100% of the time for work and gaming and in wow/rpgs etc itll be great and I can black bar to 27 if need be
main bridge
you use your personal computer for work?
rigid flicker
I can see going from one side to the other to shoot being an issue unless your mouse dpi is freaky fast. lol
frail crater
as someone who used a odyssey g9 until last week, its good for seeing things in raid and watching people die dumb deaths. other than that its not great for a lot of games as they dont support the resolution
rigid flicker
I don't play FPS's so not sure how you set stuff up for that.
Yea. WoW and Diablo are all i play on mine.
humble verge
rigid flicker
🇺🇸 🔫
upper timber
!tea
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
rain coral
hey guys anyone else also having issues with the ultimate mouseover cursor?
its like when iam pressing both click to autorun the blizzard cursor and mouse over cursor doenst match anymore, the mouseover stays in one place and the blizzard mouse further
anyone else had similar issues?
grave osprey
“Tank not letting me re-stealth” a good excuse to leave a key in s3 and not get deserter debuff ?
unreal tide
“Tank not letting me re-stealth” a good excuse to leave a key in s3 and not get ...
Re-what?
rigid flicker
WTF!! LOL
prisma cypress
i thought you could only do that during the countdown
rigid flicker
☝️
shell crater
how we feeling about assa gameplay in ptr currently then? Talking more about feel than numbers but obviously if numbers are good thats bonus XD
pliant remnant
haughty flicker
normal mist
how we feeling about assa gameplay in ptr currently then? Talking more about fee...
nothing changed
so it feels the same basically
nimble tartan
somber sparrow
what if all secondary stats disappeared and we only had agility and stamina
humble verge
i dont think ive ever had this big of a dps difference in a while
main bridge
damn you took them to Gapplebees
haughty flicker
Maybe the tank was just doing dps damage
haughty flicker
Pwar highroll sims higher than assa or sub on ptr btw (whispyr don't kill me it just funni)
Pwar stonks
hearty seal
playing on a 15 inch 1080p atm
main bridge
15" monitor in 2025?
hearty seal
kinda hoping to migrate to like
a 27 inch one by the end of the year
hearty seal
15" monitor in 2025?
laptops do be like dat even in 2025
main bridge
playing on a laptop in 2025????????????????????
hearty seal
well I have two options
a 2020 laptop
or a 2011 laptop
the 2011 one does have a 19 inch display tho, it's pretty big
main bridge
time to stop spending your money on feet pics and get a PC
hearty seal
time to stop spending your money on feet pics and get a PC
tbh feet pics would be the last thing on my mind
just got expenses that keep stacking up
and getting a PC is always like
a third or fourth priority
still, 15 inch ain't too bad
aside from the fact that some shit is barely legible
prisma cypress
i spent way too much building a new pc a few weeks ago. trying to resist the temptation to add a new monitor along with it
normal mist
Whats stoping you
prisma cypress
- it's kind of unnecessary
- i'd need to also get some kind of stand to mount a second monitor above the main one
- the desk/table my monitors are on is probably too small to fit an ultrawide plus a set of desktop speakers, so i may need a new desk too
haughty flicker
New desk time
normal mist
Aight, those 3 points are stoping you. Dont do it
haughty flicker
red schooner
1) it's kind of unnecessary
2) i'd need to also get some kind of stand to mount ...
2 monitors is fully worth for watching movies etc while playing
prisma cypress
i have 2 monitors currently, it's just that if i were to get an ultrawide i wouldn't be able to fit another next to it
haughty flicker
I never understood the appeal of ultrawide for normal use or gaming
Too big
Gotta turn my head to see the whole screen
prisma cypress
i have a friend who swears it's the greatest thing and he could never go back
people seem to either love them or hate them
haughty flicker
Ye a couple in my guild use ultrawides and they love it
main bridge
i'm not an ultrawide gamer but two monitors is non negotiable
haughty flicker
Ye for sure
prisma cypress
i'm one of those whose secondary monitor is in portrait mode
red schooner
I have 3, its a comfy setup
thorn thorn
i dont think ive ever had this big of a dps difference in a while
Oscar bobb
prisma cypress
totemwomen
thorn thorn
2 monitors is fully worth for watching movies etc while playing
Ya cuz what else are you gonna do while waiting for energy
humble verge
Oscar bobb
yeah, you know him or smth
red schooner
Ya cuz what else are you gonna do while waiting for energy
Mostly just spam adadadad
prisma cypress
i'm proud to say i stopped pvping after TBC and have broken that habit
rigid flicker
i'm proud to say i stopped pvping after TBC and have broken that habit
Sadly i still have the habit from then.
humble verge
if you use the transmitter toy and use FoK, it looks like ure shitting out the knives :)))
raw marlin
@white lance I died trying to fix this
but why is the caustic spatter in combat just going grey and then staying grey.. forever? no matter what? Have I fucked something up, its driving me insane lol
in main group i swapped some around to match my old layout as muscle memory, is this in the right order or is something overlapping something?
white lance
hey, the order doesnt matter but you need to meet the requirements for it to saturate
raw marlin
hey, the order doesnt matter but you need to meet the requirements for it to sat...
do I not?
ignore the rotation as i was trying to record
haughty flicker
ruby shoal
hey, anyone knows if caustic spatter aoe range start from the target you are attacking or from yourself?
haughty flicker
caustic range is around your target
there are some bosses with very large hitboxes (gally) where it also checks around you in a way
that explains it
in vast majority of situations its just 12y around target though
main bridge
yeah that looks really weird
maiden sierra
ruby shoal
caustic range is around your target
ty
raw marlin
your screen colors are so fucking saturated my eyes took 10 damage irl
It’s only on screenshot due to the HDR or some crap.
I turned it on yesterday to test it. It’s so ass for streaming lol
I don’t see it like that though
humble verge
got invited to some bnet friend's poosh key so now ive got 2 dupe mounts on warbound @viscid spear :3
im surprised my dps was this good in a 15
at 668
deft shard
u play hibryd or full blood?
humble verge
this was full blood
buoyant herald
Are you the real Oscar bobb
humble verge
i thought i could just roll with it
and gambled we would time without my boss damage
even tho it was ass
humble verge
Are you the real Oscar bobb
no, i just have it nicknamed
just like Erling Haaland and Antonio Nusa
buoyant herald
Does it vary depending on spec? Haaland seems an outlaw type nickname
humble verge
nah
Haaland is my main Sergeito
Nusa is my original rogue i made in 2016
and this 3rd rogue is Bobb
they are all assa.
goated gear in a 15 rook
balmy condor
it'll be fine
deft shard
i think we will geet buff
deft shard
and its good if its last time buff will not be nerfed at least for a bit of time
nova kelp
it's far easier to master NOT playing rogue than mastering playing rogue
that's for sure
haughty flicker
i prefer not playing a class at all and just saying that if i did play it i'd be really good
but i just dont want to
like i'd be really good at outlaw i just dont want to play it
whole snow
i feel like a lot of the issues with rogue rn
kinda stem from the fact that stealth is extremely outdated in modern wow
so they just shove in reasons to force u to play around it
but it rarely works
spice surge
Just play sub
But really the stealth thing mostly feels bad, which is obviously not good
But its not like playing assa without getting restealths is actually bad numerically
whole snow
well no im not really talking numerically
like just gameplay loop-wise
rogue is the 2nd? least popular class in the game while also being one of the traditional fantasy game tropes
clearly theres some issue there
spice surge
Well rogue has literally never been popular
haughty flicker
also while i agree that normally rogue is a pretty popular fantasy archetype, in most of the big mmos its actually normally not very popular
i think eso and nightblade is the exception
maybe mmos just suck at making rogues
whole snow
maybe hmm
shouldve made one of the specs a stealth archer while they had the chance
then people would like it
balmy condor
most people forget that rogue as an entire class was considered a "pvp class" for like the first 6 years of wow
class was insanely unpopular
it's been like bottom 2 since game launched
idk why, there's definitely been cool rogue things
harsh anchor
Edge of night 
balmy condor
but at this point it's just engrained community psyche
whole snow
i remember for a long long time rogue was unpopular because it was incredibly obnoxious to try to level one
like back in vanilla>wrath and stuff
buoyant herald
give sub kyveza animations and rogue playerbase doubles
These are saved for new DH spec sorry
They took meta from warlocks, watch them take sectec from rogue
visual sun
Rogue class gonna be 3rd dh spec wdym
humble verge
what addon do you use to see all that?
chunkystats, weakaura
or whatever its called
chonky character stats*
nova kelp
rogue was pretty popular in vanilla wow
it wasn't until about wrath that it started to curb off
but getting a spot in raid groups like RIGHT back when as a rogue was giga hard
peeps had to many
onyx lava
how much stock is there in these sims that are cirulating that have assa basicly doing prot warrior dps on ptr, and if these are legit has there been any word about buffs before the ptr ends in a week?
nova kelp
I don't think we're expecting another numbers parse until after live at this stage no? but there always is a handful at that point
main bridge
why would you take PTR sims seriously
onyx lava
because is about to end? /shrug
prisma cypress
even if (big if) they're somehow accurate, that will be rectified before the raid opens
main bridge
obviously you know anything can happen and there can be more tuning so who cares
balmy condor
how much stock is there in these sims that are cirulating that have assa basicly...
0
PTR sims are meaningless
and the sims that are public aren't even updated in any way
it's just hysteria for the sake of it
visual sun
And memes
nova kelp
worry less about sheer throughput, and more about playstyle
numbers WILL be tuned and adjusted
onyx lava
cool, all i needed to know, i never really follow the ptr, have been keeping up with streamers and the m+ stuff still looked good even for sub, but i saw theses sims and was like kind of shocked
main bridge
balmy condor
this PTR cycle is most likely the worst balanced of all time
main bridge
awww
onyx lava
well thanks for the answers i will stick with assa/sub this season then
fathom flax
Is the rogue developer the same as the dh developer
Tin foil hat, they’ve been spending all their time making a new spec and rogue is the shunned child in the corner
balmy condor
there is no such thing
runic hinge
Thinking there could only be one person for two entire classes is crazy
tender ember
hello, might be a confusing question, but why do we even care about kingsbane in m+? shingi in 20+ cinderbrew has overall of 2.7% done with kingsbane. am i missing something that kingsbane does aside from damage?
tender ember
so kingsbane damage is spatterd in aoe for 40% dmg done?
spice surge
Yes
balmy condor
all nature damage is
balmy condor
kingsbane is considered a poison for most things
tender ember
that makes so much sense now
balmy condor
but caustic spatter just works with everything
spice surge
Tooltips are a bit confusing, but generally if it does nature damage (or plague/cosmic, as thats partly nature), it works with spatter
tender ember
but why do rogues play in physical comp then? phys comp only look for outlaw rogues then?
i just have seen some muti rogues in queue
lyric cliff
if i buy hoc over signet. both heroic track. i saw ppl talking about not using hoc with DM and holding it a little. is this true? should i just buy signet or just macro hoc with DM lol
spice surge
Signet and Hoc do the exact same thing, use whatever you have at the highest ilvl
And macro it to DM
tender ember
And also the monk buff isnt the only buff
so any comp with shamy is good for us?
main bridge
don't forget battle shout
tender ember
i dont really get the warri buff, because i played only mage. does it increase all my damage?
main bridge
it increases attack power
balmy condor
well mage buff increases int
warrior buff increases agi
(not really, but can think about it like that)
tender ember
thank you guys for answers, i probably should have googled that xd
hard river
Np
granite island
are there any sims for 11.2?
haughty flicker
probably
balmy condor
Are you asking because you want to know if they exist or because you want to get information from them
Because yes they exist
granite island
both obviously
balmy condor
And no they’re not informational in the slightest
haughty flicker
whippy hiding sims confirmed
balmy condor
I mean I’m struggling to make fatebound 4pc worth equipping
haughty flicker
granite island
the fuu sims ive seen are insanely low compared to other classes, not sure if they are up to date or not
granite island
or is the api still very much a work in progress
balmy condor
They are insanely low
Because balance is a mess
But they’re also not up to date because he just slapped on whatever gear simmed highest
Since there’s no s3 apl
So
main bridge
you can also read up a bit and see where we just had this conversation #assassination message
balmy condor
Yeah I mean once fuu put them into his sheet it’s just doomed
Ulria yoinked them
All the big ptr snake oil peddlers yoinked them
It’s just over
The age of doom has begun
main bridge
balmy condor
It’s basically impossible at this point to control any narrative other than “I opened some ptr sheet thing and this number is low and that number is high”
haughty flicker
main bridge
NUMBER IS SMALL WHISPYR HELP!!!
balmy condor
It either requires too much effort to explain or it requires too much context to make sense
And so now people have just latched onto “number low”
cursive marsh
tryna force blizz to give a buff
balmy condor
They literally couldn’t give a shit
granite island
like its just hard to get info about it tbh, as a mage main rerolling, mage discord theorycrafting tends to be more in the open idk
brazen pine
balmy condor
like its just hard to get info about it tbh, as a mage main rerolling, mage disc...
It’s not about it being in the open or not
It’s about shit fundamentally not working
coral ibex
guys i measured how fast 39 people with broken limbs ran a race, please pay me to view the results
balmy condor
And trying to not post misinformation or flood information channels with a billion things that will change
haughty flicker
me when nothing works so i wait for it to get fixed then nothing gets fixed
main bridge
i can't believe the rogue discord is gatekeeping the secret S3 sims!!! the mage discord would never do this
main bridge
haughty flicker
coral ibex
balmy condor
Like fatebound sims highest on fuu’s sheet, but it’s not wearing the 4pc cause the 4pc is fucked cause cold bloods cooldown desyncs everything and we’ve been unsuccessful in fixing the apl to make it better with the 4 piece, partly because there’s no trinket tuning and so the forgeweaver trinket is 2min and oppressively strong and there’s no good 1:30 options but also because the deathstalker tier set is a combined 9% and super weak so Fatebound is looking really strong except who knows and maybe they fix the bug with Kingsbane resetting its stacks halfway through but for now it does and there’s still the bug where you can just skip the Fatebound capstone by going firm 6->8
Is that word salad helpful to anyone
No
What’s important about all of that is “shits fucked”
coral ibex
wait what
haughty flicker
thats a fun bug
balmy condor
And releasing sims or not releasing sims doesn’t fix any of that
spice surge
Yes
balmy condor
Yes
coral ibex
holy shit
balmy condor
It’s been that way since tww beta
coral ibex
im cackling irl that's so sick
spice surge
The extra 4 seconds of kingsbane is also useless
haughty flicker
sheltered from fatebound bugs by never having to play it
granite island
Like fatebound sims highest on fuu’s sheet, but it’s not wearing the 4pc cause t...
yeah but unless you specifically answered the question i asked, i would have no idea of any of that, and only had the shitty sims to base it off tbh
haughty flicker
now we learn
main bridge
Is that word salad helpful to anyone
all i'm getting from this is that number is small and it's genuinely over
haughty flicker
balmy condor
yeah but unless you specifically answered the question i asked, i would have no ...
Yeah but what are you doing with this newfound knowledge
balmy condor
Literally nothing
granite island
its less about the sims and more about seeing the discussions regarding it, that information is valuable
balmy condor
The thing you’re doing with it is “ah man, I need to check back when the patch goes live to see if there’s an update”
coral ibex
i'm gonna go post about it on x the everything app and generate some discourse about it
tropic rover
Something something texture something something salty brownies
balmy condor
Which you would’ve had to do regardless
balmy condor
Like I get it, information is knowledge
spice surge
people want to know what spec will be the best, but sims doesnt answer that question, especially not ptr sims
balmy condor
But some information just ain’t worth it
spice surge
Its the classic "everything looks like a nail where youre a hammer"
balmy condor
Just yapping about all the things that don’t work while waiting for things to work
spice surge
And then things end up not working for 2 years
tropic rover
#fateboundisnotaherotalent
Time for an everyone ping let's go
spice surge
Until they fix it
tropic rover
Continue the class discord cringe train
spice surge
Because we are not mages
tropic rover
It's been too long
haughty flicker
i saw a poll about which class discord would @ everyone next and rogue wasnt even on it
we need to fix that
haughty flicker
get the pings out
tropic rover
i saw a poll about which class discord would @ everyone next and rogue wasnt eve...
Who was top?
coral ibex
gotta be mage
tropic rover
Well second after dh discord
coral ibex
considering
balmy condor
i saw a poll about which class discord would @ everyone next and rogue wasnt eve...
We pinged everyone about some shit a while back and everyone got pissy
main bridge
i find it completely mind blowing how many people do not understand what PTR is or the folly of trying to divine the future from it
fringe spear
I get big money if rogue discord pings everyone next
haughty flicker
We pinged everyone about some shit a while back and everyone got pissy
because it didnt come with paladin pictures probably
fringe spear
Post a cat pic under the ping to mollify people
haughty flicker
main bridge
Post a cat pic under the ping to mollify people
tropic rover
Post a cat pic under the ping to mollify people
Feel like you gotta hold that card for the Feral's man...
fringe spear
Nah anyone can post cat pics it turns out
I do see how ripping an everyone ping could be tempting
Sometimes I just want to ping thousands of people
main bridge
rip and dip
main bridge
Sometimes I just want to ping thousands of people
do it you won't
||it won't actually do anything||
fringe spear
Ya i probably won't
fringe spear
||it won't actually do anything||
Not in here it wouldnt
But there are other options!
haughty flicker
can orange names ping everyone in druid discord
im not there enough to know
but it would be funny so do it
fringe spear
no but I have trusted role which probably can
main bridge
fringe spear
I've pinged 10 people at once anyway and u normally cant do that
fringe spear
https://tenor.com/view/kermit-darkside-star-wars-evil-innerme-gif-13048146
💀
I'm too weak sry
main bobcat
Same man
hot pasture
!spreadsheet
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
lavish swan
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
noble silo
hi is assassination wow classic era ok to not use backstab and ambush and just use ss and eviscerate?
balmy condor
hi is assassination wow classic era ok to not use backstab and ambush and just u...
Would suggest a classic discord, try the pins in #classic-discussion
This discord is almost exclusively retail
drowsy hollow
Save the everyone ping for when they announce the rogue class rework for Midnight.
Just 4 weeks til the what's next panel
somber sparrow
what if every class gets a void / ethereal spec
drowsy hollow
My most evil theory so far is Netherlight Crucible to improve 10 pairs of talents.
"Fan of Knives will repeat at 50% effectiveness"
And I think something like that could be unobtrusive enough to be evergreen for now
I remain convinced of a level squish and full reset of systems after TLT
kind flint
!guides
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
kind flint
!macro
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
normal mist
I've pinged 10 people at once anyway and u normally cant do that
Usually when I ping a few hundred / thousands with the transmog tag (no idea how many the are) I'm usually not murdered by mad people
Many seem actually grateful
desert spire
Next patch M0 are they daily reset or weekly?
zenith elm
Next patch M0 are they daily reset or weekly?
idk and it's driving me crazy
feral wasp
Daily
peak lake
Tuesday morning no tuning 🙁
next week bang
||They're gonna fix fatebount i believe||
feral wasp
Where did you hear this?
Some guildies
buoyant herald
Nah the fatebound fix comes in after HoF is over and it doesn’t matter anymore
But GOD will we lap it up
normal mist
Some guildies
If it awards champion, it's weekly
It was only daily when it awarded veteran gear
I'm pretty sure that's how it works currently live
zenith elm
Nice, less grinding for my alts
buoyant herald
Yer that’ll be only one sick day to do my world tour
zenith elm
Or one weekend
buoyant herald
Not with two young kids 😂
golden loom
why not
haughty flicker
need to sandbag early
red schooner
time to craft the stiletto
sonic schooner
In his way
haughty flicker
only on the inside
sonic schooner
sonic schooner
????????
sharp lily
haughty flicker
they didnt do trinket tuning until very late last time too
they did nerf idol at least
zenith elm
was it this late ? i mean i remember it being like 4/6 weeks not in 5 or even sixth week?
haughty flicker
idr exactly how late but it was very late
haughty flicker
zenith elm
balmy condor
4th boss
balmy condor
it's so insanely overtuned it's not funny
subtle tundra
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
subtle tundra
why does fatebaunt sim so much higher when it literally doesnt have a tier set
uses dm at 2 min
haughty flicker
red schooner
red schooner
By voices he means this channel
balmy condor
dude I fucking hate all these PTR bullshit misinfo
subtle tundra
balmy condor
literally who fucking cares what the sim says if it's wrong and the game itself is jank as shit
subtle tundra
literally who fucking cares what the sim says if it's wrong and the game itself ...
everyone does
even if its wrong to care
everyone does
my guilds discord is full of numbers before a patch comes
peak lake
there is nothing else to do so ppl are going crazy about numbers
subtle tundra
i eat ass, therefore shit
balmy condor
-4 melding for 40d doesn't seem that insane for HC, no?
balmy condor
I see
balmy condor
idk usually for like uber drops I just 10x the regular trade price in my head
I could never play HC
my crash out would be immense
subtle tundra
well i was thinking the same
but i wanted to keep playing poe and had nothing to do on sc trade
ssf takes too long
hc was my only variant
balmy condor
just doing the campaign and the 4 labs every time
jaunty sky
but i wanted to keep playing poe and had nothing to do on sc trade
I started ssf in a private league with a fren
balmy condor
would cause my brain to melt out of my ears
jaunty sky
So we can do guildfound
subtle tundra
I started ssf in a private league with a fren
we've had private leagues with people from this discord
like 15 people
subtle tundra
would cause my brain to melt out of my ears
it was my first rip, after over a week of playing
so basically normal reroll time
i actually bought leveling gear before i ripped
jaunty sky
we've had private leagues with people from this discord
Yeah its fun sometimes, i wanted to play the FRoSS build but didnt wanna just buy the build
So now im fully restarting in there
zenith elm
whats HC?
balmy condor
I'd try it out if I didn't have to do the campaign and my lab trials every fucking time
subtle tundra
well i died cause graphics didnt load so i didnt like that
balmy condor
knowing that I'm one rip away from having to spend an afternoon drooling on my keyboard
is not the move
zenith elm
week one of season 3 feels the same
subtle tundra
knowing i cant do anything too juiced/needing to overgear everything
zenith elm
content is easy, you just vibe
subtle tundra
anyways, BACK TO TRYING TO FIX FATEBOUND
impossibler
inner swift
literally who fucking cares what the sim says if it's wrong and the game itself ...
from a neutral perspective, you saying that if you gonna do a sim rn in ptr, it is gonna differ from next reset when the exact sam\e thing goes on live servers?
zenith elm
anyways, BACK TO TRYING TO FIX FATEBOUND
THEY WONT AND YOU KNOW IT
zenith elm
from a neutral perspective, you saying that if you gonna do a sim rn in ptr, it ...
its never gonna be the same
balmy condor
from a neutral perspective, you saying that if you gonna do a sim rn in ptr, it ...
if I do a sim rn on ptr it's already like 3 fixes ahead of whatever nonsense fuu simmed
haughty flicker
from a neutral perspective, you saying that if you gonna do a sim rn in ptr, it ...
considering hes actively working on the apl to make it work
yes
balmy condor
before we even talk any APL
inner swift
i see
balmy condor
I mean I have the timings that I assume are best
that was the easy part
but it still sucks
red schooner
Are the timings 2 minutes? 
haughty flicker
1:48 and a half
balmy condor
I honestly think it's just this fuckass trinket being just so fucking ridiculous
how is it still alive
you know what, fuck it
I'm gonna give it a 1:30 trinket and see
just for the peace of mind
that I'm not a dumbfuck
and it's simply the game being shit
haughty flicker
balmy condor
bro between trinkets not being tuned and tier sets not being tuned and all the bugs and the whack ass class tuning
and then having to wake up and hear people go
"BUT THE FUU SHEET"
"OH BUT THE SIMS"
"WHISPYR LOOK LOOK"
I'm going to actually blast my fucking brains out
normal mist
I wonder to how many @s you usually wake up to
inner swift
do a white monster
balmy condor
I wonder to how many @s you usually wake up to
depending on the day anywhere between 20-60
most being dms
normal mist
Jesus fucking Christ
balmy condor
and like a healthy amount of work pings to respond to obv
jez telling me my SEO sucks or whatever
red schooner
It ain't worth stressing about s3 anyhow, shit always winds up fairly balanced in the end, I'm chill
balmy condor
yeah except you're not the sorry sack of shit that needs to update all the guides and all the sims
red schooner
It was more of a general thing, not aimed at you
normal mist
How close are you to quit being a guide writer?
With all the white hairs it gives you
ripe sphinx
red schooner
People get stressed to fuck when most classes end up being within a couple of percent of each other anyhow and its just, okay then
balmy condor
the guide writing isn't all that troublesome honestly it's just a lot of transcribing and writing, but I do way more writing for news anyway so it's not a bother
but I've thought about quitting many a time
question becomes who will do it instead
and there's not really anyone
red schooner
Besides, I don't know how to play any other classes, I'm stuck playing rogue regardless of how the overall balance turns out 
balmy condor
so the shackles stay on
normal mist
You're basically waiting for Nika
balmy condor
who tf is nika
subtle tundra
mid referenced
balmy condor
oh
unkempt pilot
spoiler alert
balmy condor
yeah sure
but like to be fair, I would be a lot less miserable if blizzard managed to have their patch ready by the time the patch is supposed to release
and not 3 weeks after the patch releases
normal mist
spoiler alert
Fair but also it's not a last week thing, it's been like a year or so
balmy condor
there was a convo about this in the writer channel in wowhead and basically everyone was like "yeah, it's just getting harder and harder and harder to get actual TC work done"
because of a mixture of blizzard just half-assing a lot of things
being perpetually late
insane amount of bugs
hidden scripts that can't be datamined so you have to sit and test everything
taeznak had to do like a full 8 hours of testing and documenting because a tooltip on one of the new skills says "a chance"
unkempt pilot
Fair but also it's not a last week thing, it's been like a year or so
a lot of people are not up to today story ^^ some are waiting the end to just finish it in one go
balmy condor
and the entire spell data is hidden
so there's just 0 way to know what "a chance" is
unless you sit on a dummy
normal mist
a lot of people are not up to today story ^^ some are waiting the end to just fi...
1170+ episodes in one go? Surely
balmy condor
it's not just a rogue thing
red schooner
1170+ episodes in one go? Surely
Royal buckle up, we're doing a marathon
balmy condor
it's a full all-class wide TC
normal mist
unless you sit on a dummy
I do imagine how much time TCS spend hitting dummies
balmy condor
lots of TCs are burnt out
unkempt pilot
1170+ episodes in one go? Surely
more like reading but yeah same for anime people
balmy condor
and blizzard makes it more challenging for us to do our work every patch
subtle tundra
a lot of people are not up to today story ^^ some are waiting the end to just fi...
more likely they die of old age
balmy condor
there's also just not a lot of new generation coming in to replace the old TCs
so it's a lot of old, burnt out, frustrated TCs
balmy condor
in the grand scheme of things, I am part of the old guard at this point
koji is like
ancient
but I started TCing in nya'lotha
that makes me older than dust
haughty flicker
ye i'd fuck everything up real good
subtle tundra
when whispyr dies what will we do
be happy for him
haughty flicker
believe it or not i actually took classes in journalism so when i want to i can write well
but i cant do half the shit whippy does for us
when he passes away its gg
balmy condor
like to put in perspective, in the time I have TC'd, cev started mythic raiding, climbed the world ranks, trialled for method, burnt out, quit for a tier, casually played for a tier, and then became a professional violinist and quit the game
haughty flicker
midnight mist
wtf
balmy condor
I watched a whole dude start playing, become a community figure, trial for a top 5 guild, and quit the game
in my time TCing
I am old as shit
quiet oar
Whispyr literally a grandpa
midnight mist
Old af mf
balmy condor
wtf
zac when did you start playing retail
and not like heroic dungeons or whatever, like play and do actual content
midnight mist
i started in sl s1 and i just did real content directly
balmy condor
I'm gonna fucking kms
midnight mist
actually got my first ce the first season i started
royal lantern
I watched a whole dude start playing, become a community figure, trial for a top...
tbf, that often feels like that its often the pipeline of "somebody that is good at games starts wow->climbs fast by playing 24/7 and geta success ->burns out after playing 24/7 and drops it"
midnight mist
quite proud of that one !
midnight mist
I'm gonna fucking kms
also i trialed in a top 10 guild if you want to add it to your list next to cev
hearty reef
midnight mist
not method yet tho
balmy condor
did you fail your trial for being an immense greedlord
subtle tundra
also i trialed in a top 10 guild if you want to add it to your list next to cev
and didnt get in?
laugh at this user
haughty flicker
when echo zac
red schooner
Liquid zac
midnight mist
I failed because idk they didn't make me play xd
red schooner
Incoming
balmy condor
when echo zac
Zac
Zac
Zac
Zac
-# Zac
haughty flicker
midnight mist
its fine we go again in a few tiers
hearty reef
subtle tundra
I failed because idk they didn't make me play xd
my first mythic raiding guild dropped me, they barely got CE and then disbanded
haughty flicker
based
subtle tundra
then my 2nd mythic raiding guild disbanded the tier after i left
midnight mist
my first mythic raiding guild dropped me, they barely got CE and then disbanded
skill issue wtf
royal lantern
I'm still not entirely sure why I failed
failed the vibe check
subtle tundra
now lets see what happens to evolve....
midnight mist
failed the vibe check
Ye I mean
That's defo one of the reason
Cause like I don't talk to people
Especially since it was a English guild so it's even worse
midnight mist
I'm having the same issue at my work rn, I'm doing an internship right, and I'm suppose to continue if it works out
And the guy told me he wants me from like a tech standpoint
But I gotta be a normal person
That talks to people
Otherwise he won't keep me
im just trinna get to work and work bro why do i have to be friend with everyone
haughty flicker
real
subtle tundra
im just trinna get to work and work bro why do i have to be friend with everyone
because it improves your work when you can actually communicate properly
which usually happens when youre friendly
feral wasp
We couldnt get ce this tier but its my first and only guild, should i stay there
midnight mist
because it improves your work when you can actually communicate properly
its not really about work communication, i do that just fine
midnight mist
its litteraly about random bullshit they want me to talk about my day during lunch break
quiet oar
its litteraly about random bullshit they want me to talk about my day during lun...
I get you
And i was the same
balmy condor
We couldnt get ce this tier but its my first and only guild, should i stay there
if you're not happy, you leave
if you're happy, you stay
quiet oar
But you have to evolve
feral wasp
The bullshit i have to deal during lunch is immesurable
haughty flicker
And i was the same
if i hadnt joined the army i wouldve stayed that way until now im sure
fuck talking to people
but gotta know how to do it to get ahead
red schooner
We couldnt get ce this tier but its my first and only guild, should i stay there
If you like the vibe and your level of progress, then stick around
haughty flicker
We couldnt get ce this tier but its my first and only guild, should i stay there
tell them to stop sucking
verbal abuse does wonders for progression
quiet oar
but gotta know how to do it to get ahead
I mean im not someone who is chasinf for a cool career. I just want a stabile Job and i come so i can live in peace
subtle tundra
any slovenians here
haughty flicker
I mean im not someone who is chasinf for a cool career. I just want a stabile Jo...
ye as long as i can pay the bills im good
0 ambition
midnight mist
any slovenians here
no im french, wby
subtle tundra
im asking everyone babe
midnight mist
ye as long as i can pay the bills im good
smae
subtle tundra
im going to slovenia next week
midnight mist
come to france instead or?
haughty flicker
haughty flicker
real