assassination

[thin portal]

id say as a noob sin I need to be aware of:

1. applying stalker
2. get full cp envenom if darkest night active
3. use crimson in single target if bleed build
4. make sure I mut or ambush after rupture to activate caustic.

Do i just vanish on cd in single target for imp garrote?

Want to add any notes for me?

i think i need to stack nameplates now too so I can see the bleeds under them

it was nice hitting 3mil single target with deathmark. As outlaw thats only possible with multiple proc of bte and not reliable single target dmg.

which makes sense that everytime sin cd is up it will do consistent numbers yummy. Its nice not playing an rng rotation in this way for sure.

[worn geyser]

honestly if u go check out the rotation priority sections in the wowhead guide for aoe and st respectively that will give u way better info than most of us can explain in a digestible way, whispyr typed it out very well

[thin portal]

yeah im reading it

right now

[worn geyser]

i was back and forth referencing it between keys for many keys with all the little quirks

[thin portal]

its pretty long

haha

[sage basin]

go at your own pace and spend some time on training dummies

some people pick it up faster than others or go brick some keys if that's how you learn

[runic hinge]

Some people never learn

@keen spruce

[sage basin]

lol

[earnest remnant]

you vanish every 2min with Deathmark, then you have your spare one for whenever some chainpulling is happening

[sage basin]

At that point the rotational block is between the chair and keyboard

[thin portal]

oh i see

have 1 vanish always on backup

for deathmark

[keen spruce]

I haven't hit balls since Friday and I'm feinding

⛳

🏌️‍♂️

[runic hinge]

I haven’t gotten out yet

It rained for like 13 days straight and then it was Mother’s Day the one nice day

[proud pelican]

Went out the day before Mother’s Day in the pouring rain

[runic hinge]

Yeah it rained over an inch I don’t think they even woulda let me out. Some coursed for Mother’s Day too

[proud pelican]

We’ve gotten an outlandish amount of rain in the past month it’s not very cash money flow

As the kids say

[runic hinge]

Yeah same

[proud pelican]

Can’t golf

[runic hinge]

Idk if it’s worth going out until we got a solid week of sunshine

Wait are you a lobsterman

[proud pelican]

On the side

But ye

[runic hinge]

Do you live in Maine

[proud pelican]

No MA

[runic hinge]

Ahh

This is where I insult mass lobster

[winged sun]

who pinged me here

wait no one did nvm

[proud pelican]

Not me zeross

As you were

[proud pelican]

My buddies go up past Maine and up the coast of Canada. That’s where the good 🦞 is

[rancid wind]

Do cleaves like Caustic Splatter do more damage to secondary targets if my main target is below 35%?

[runic hinge]

Fake news

[polar rampart]

its everywhere bro, you just gotta know where to look

[proud pelican]

Caustic splashes off the main target so if main target is in execute, incidental splash damage should also be amped I believe

@balmy condor please confirm that I am not a bozo

[broken coyote]

With the increased ilvl happening, is circlet still going to be bis moving forward? or is a good myth and maybe crafted ring going to replace?

[balmy condor]

you are a bozo

[balmy condor]

player amplifiers work, target amplifiers do not

[buoyant herald]

You’ll replace circlet with new ilvl stuff, maybe even a bit before max

[balmy condor]

so things like zoldyck, no worky

mobs that take increased damage, like first boss floodgate? no worky

amplifying poison? worky! cause reasons I guess

amplifying poison isn't a target takes more from envenom

[proud pelican]

[balmy condor]

it's a envenvom "consumes" the stacks to deal more damage

so you the player are dealing more damage

so you also cleave more

same thing applies to shiv

the target is taking more damage because of shiv, so you don't cleave more if your main target has shiv

if your offtarget has shiv, they are taking more damage, thus taking more from caustic

but target-modifiers are calculated post caustic

[proud pelican]

Oh true I knew the shiv thing I guess that makes sense that it’s basically the same with zoldyk

[haughty flicker]

L bozo

[proud pelican]

I didn’t know the amp poison thing tho

Was a player amp

Look at me learning n sheit

[worthy rose]

i aint gonna lie

using whispyr's weakauras

i increased my dps by like 1mil

overall for mythics

coz i dont let bleeds fall off anymore LOL

having shit track bleeds and other shit is pretty pog

[balmy condor]

it is a strange one

cause it's a debuff that gets consumed for a buff

but the buff isn't a buff

it's just instant envenom damage

[proud pelican]

Zoldyk isn’t anything tho

Just exists

[balmy condor]

yah but it's a target mod

ain't rogue fun

[proud pelican]

[runic hinge]

Ain’t it fun ain’t it fun

Now you’re one of us

[proud pelican]

Ngl I was pretty sure I was shitting on mobs by spattering execute target

[balmy condor]

there was a guy the other week that reviewed his mug'zee log

and was like "how the fuck is my highest caustic bigger than my highest envenom"

didn't realize the drones take increased damage

also makes tracking down bugs very difficult

cause there's so much spaghetti

[proud pelican]

Me making fun of this guy while my guild is still on lockenstock

[runic hinge]

Okay I’ll listen to paramore

[buoyant herald]

Still not worth hard swapping though right

[nimble tartan]

chat are we all buying jastors

[worthy rose]

i am

nothing else for me to get

1. heroic jastor ring
2. heroic hoc for sub probably
3. heroic kezan for the memes

[buoyant herald]

Myth pacemaker
Heroic jastor
??? Mugzee fist for outlaw probably

[worthy rose]

you dont have a mythic seaforium and signet?

those would prob be your priorities then

oh the capo fist?

hmm

[buoyant herald]

Only myth signet, I know it’s embarrassing not to have pulled my 2 bis trinkets from
a pool of 100 items in 8 weeks but yeah I’m trying to be better

[proud pelican]

You could use dinar on myth buzzy bee trinket

[nimble tartan]

i have mythic signet but i think ima go jastor and then seaforium mythic

[buoyant herald]

You could coat yourself in tar and set yourself on fire too

[nimble tartan]

cause eye of kezan kinda doodoo

all the fights are shortish now

[haughty flicker]

lmao dumbass imagine not getting your bis trinkets in your first and third vault

[proud pelican]

Lmao noob

[worthy rose]

nah not embarassing

just unlucky

my irl friend i shit u not

has taken the tokens like 4 weeks i a row

a whole month wasted of vault drops LOL

and meanwhile

ont he othe rhand

[proud pelican]

I’m going myth go pack it’s a brave choice for real winners

[worthy rose]

i went signet --> mainhand dagger shadowskean --> seaforium --> mythic chest --> seaforium again but i took a mythic gloves

[wise plume]

ive yet to see any trinkets/rings in my vaults, only cloaks and boots

[worthy rose]

i crafted boots and cloak

and necklace

i just need mainpieces tbh

catalyst go brrr

how much is it to pay a mythic raiding guild for a mythic boss crary and a mainpiece token

probs a billion dollars

[buoyant herald]

Ike, only got priory from first,

Probably why I only get 50% parses

[haughty flicker]

he just like me fr

[worthy rose]

oh shit

actually

i killed some bosses on heroic raid this week

theres a nonzero chance i can get capo or hoc from vault as it is

[worthy rose]

on raids?

[wise plume]

ive been trying to pug a gally kill for the last two hours and it is astounding how all common sense flies out the window with some of these ppl

[worthy rose]

the key to raiding is theres no need to be the best

just be a little baove average

and you can rat your way to achiveements and clears

it works every time

[worthy rose]

heroic or mythic?

[wise plume]

hero

[haughty flicker]

mythic gally pug huge

[wise plume]

buncha credit card swipers for aotc i swear

[worthy rose]

is heroic aotc that hard?

[wise plume]

no

[worthy rose]

me and my friend went into one and i just immediately roached it

[wise plume]

its honestly so easy, but seeing a full group of people w/ aotc run around cluelessly is insane

[worthy rose]

this has to be my funniest stat so far this season

the one time i went into the heroic raid

on gally

i immediately became a rat and died coz healer didnt get me at the start

they cleared the boss

immortalized as bottom 16% parse

tbh gally seems more like a healer and tank check than dps

you could do 1mil dps or 2mil dps or even 3mil and it wont matter if the mechanics dont get done

[keen spruce]

yeah u don't wanna go out on the first nice day and romp around in the slop

[buoyant herald]

Was a joke, only got 50% of my myth trinkets, only get 50% parse blah blah

[keen spruce]

I'm playing a best ball with Nike on Friday, hopefully the weather holds up

[mild coyote]

What's the overall dps loss for not being able to restealth in a key

Let's say for example cinderbrew

[worthy rose]

oh haha

not being able to restealth at least a 25-30% dps loss imo but depends what kind of key youre in

[mild coyote]

Does this only effect assassination?

[worthy rose]

i think assassination suffers the most out of chainpull no restealthing

toying with outlaw and sub

but sub as a spec is in the shitter right now so youre taking a mad dps loss in general choosing sub

[mild coyote]

Just trying to figure out if it's worth the mental rework of not chain pulling as a tank for a rogue to restealth

For me*

[worthy rose]

i think it depends

coz you got other specs like hunters who need always 3 targets or something

[balmy condor]

depends on build, typically around like 5-6%

[worthy rose]

its a balancing act between the people in your party

[balmy condor]

should basically never let the rogue restealth

[worthy rose]

surely more than that

[spice surge]

Nop

[worthy rose]

thats racist to rogues

[mild coyote]

Taking this to heart and if a rogue ever complains I'm linking this message

[spice surge]

Pulling when you already have bleeds up on other targets at like 30% is way better for time than killing them and letting the rogue restealth

[mild coyote]

Thanks for the free pass

Yeah like in my head when there's no casts left in a pack why shouldn't I pull more into a safe pack

[spice surge]

Like the main reason to stealth is to be able to spread bleeds, but if the mobs have a decent chunk of health left and you already have bleeds up no need really

So

[worthy rose]

the tanks ive met let the mobs go down to like 5%

and instead of killing and going

they THEN pull another mob

so its like what the fuck

maybe it sthe curse of the 10-12 region

[ocean horizon]

that is the worst kind of tank

[worthy rose]

exactly

hate with a passion

its why i picked up outlaw

and sub

trying out diff specs

[ocean horizon]

any tank that is a coward and chain pull pack to pack is a shitter

[worthy rose]

outlaw seems to be ok with that sort of pulling

[balmy condor]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[worthy rose]

but then you got the problem of dealing with KS

yeah

if they pull a new mob at like 30%
its worth vanishing

if you need to

[humble verge]

my s1 push tank last s1 literally called the first notation here chainpulling, and got frustrated every tine i asked him kindly "can i get a restealth"
man.

why did i say s1 twice

[ocean horizon]

ngl chain pulls is even less important now that arcane mage is meta

i’m a firm believer that dropping combat doesnt affect the numbers much but it fucks up my flow

which leads to me playing worse which leads to lower dps

maybe i’m just a troglodyte that can only manage multiple dots with indiscriminate carnage up but it is what it is

[proud pelican]

Outlaw suffers worse than sin

[ionic crater]

Does it? You’re not really dot managing, only thing it sucks for is the initial burst damage that kinda carries your damage for the pull

[proud pelican]

i dont have the raw numbers but i play both and outlaw feels a lot worse. getting the burst on opener with all the cdr makes a huge difference and keeps the momentum. maybe im just feelcrafting

[balmy condor]

I haven't run the numbers for this season

but historically outlaw has suffered more from not getting restealths

[winged sun]

?!?

[runic hinge]

Floodgate is pad dungeon

[winged sun]

its all ethical dmg ok!

[keen mantle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/999625007103758448/1367955547982266459/image.png?ex=6823a662&is=682254e2&hm=8b927962504cc82ab18c1b25e2e45fd9616190f08d07c6c0443312aa05f1cfdd&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

noob

[spice surge]

And its ironic that sub doesnt care about restealth much at all

[winged sun]

tournament realm

cheating

[keen mantle]

haha

[winged sun]

[winged sun]

wait

u guys are slower too

by 1m in

wtf

[keen mantle]

that was cooked routes for the tour

you know just time the key

super bad routes

[winged sun]

ah

ye

did u guys try arcane+sin in floodgates?

must be crazy on bigmomma

maybe sub 3 min fight or

[keen mantle]

nah

[winged sun]

cuz we had 3:44

on +18

[keen mantle]

assa ass is hurting on 20 flood

21 soonge

[winged sun]

ye swampface is abit hard to live

[keen mantle]

Rogue needs jesus at this point

i rly cant see it being playable anywhere

fr

you know i would play it

[winged sun]

honestly

[keen mantle]

if i could

[winged sun]

we just need cheat death + elusivess

ye ofc

im sure u will

[winged sun]

thats probably the only way

to actually compensate us being super squishy rn

[keen mantle]

and excecute maybe

and atrophic poison makes the mobs take 3% dmg from all players

then yes

[winged sun]

oh that would be

really good

lol

like

rogue would feel useful for once

lmao

[keen mantle]

and atrophic poison makes the mobs take 3% dmg from all players

and atrophic poison makes the mobs take 3% dmg from all players

PIN THAT

[winged sun]

Casualaddict — 5:50 AM
and atrophic poison makes the mobs take 3% dmg from all players
and atrophic poison makes the mobs take 3% dmg from all players

Casualaddict — 5:50 AM
and atrophic poison makes the mobs take 3% dmg from all players
and atrophic poison makes the mobs take 3% dmg from all players

[keen mantle]

developers

wake up

and atrophic poison makes the mobs take 3% dmg from all players

[winged sun]

[keen mantle]

la policia

[snow hamlet]

Good job

[radiant snow]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[desert vault]

so dinars, if you buy item it can't be upgraded right? like what ilvl with mythic trinkets be? gally ring with just be 665 without the extra +6 ilvl?

[thin portal]

can someone post a pic of thier dmg breakdown

this was bleed build

[balmy condor]

looks ok

[thin portal]

alright

[runic hinge]

My garrote would be way higher cause it’s the only button I press during ic

[thin portal]

im doing a lot of wasted ruptures also

nameplates are stacking

i mean they are not stacking

so I cant see if bleeds are on in big packs

turns out i was doing a lot of wasted ruptures

is there a rupture WA to let us know its on 5 targets

during aoe

[runic hinge]

Whispyrs pack shows you how many scent of blood stacks you havw

If you have 20 stacks that’s 5 ruptures

[thin portal]

ill look at it thanks

i have devlin at the moment

maybe there is but i dont see it

ill look

[wide gorge]

!mouseover

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[thin portal]

yeah there is on devlins

text for ruptures

nice

[astral nimbus]

Just getting back into Assassination, looking at top rogues. Any reason we don't take subterfuge/improved garrote?

Or I guess just improved garrote

[runic hinge]

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[astral nimbus]

Ty

So I'm assuming the answer to my previous question is specific group dynamics and is focusing ST?

[thin portal]

its nice to have a nuke now

envenom go BOOOM

[tacit hedge]

I thought Bleed was better than hybrid for ST

[runic hinge]

It is but the no imp garrote build takes mostly single target talents

[frank trench]

on a boss how hard do you try to stay above 150 energy?

with bleed

[brave comet]

this person applied to my group, how likely this was a boosted player looking for a piggyback?

[tacit hedge]

Thank God for wowhead

[balmy condor]

real

[pliant remnant]

Bro, stop the cyberbullying

He's trying his best, okay

[coral stump]

1 button rotation was made for him

[gloomy heart]

just had a hour long rookery

im gonna hurt myself (ingame)

[balmy condor]

I can fix them

[coral ibex]

i took a nap before raid except the nap didnt end before raid

im cooked

[wise plume]

[coral ibex]

i missed the oab kill

[inland dirge]

please don't air me out like this

[coral ibex]

anyone know of any good bridges

[balmy condor]

Time Machine to 10 years ago before they put up nets around the golden gate

[wise plume]

ceiling fan is a close 2nd

[gloomy heart]

i hit my head on the ceiling fan when i was like 13, had to get liquid stitches

[wise plume]

my dad accidentally tossed my brother too high into one when he was like 2

[wise plume]

basically

[oak eagle]

@balmy condor hows a guy get out of Mugzee jails on Mythic?

[runic hinge]

Would you say you’re the favorite child

[thin portal]

when we are bleed spec

we only need to apply rupture twice?

cuz each time is goes on 3 targets

right?

in aoe

[wise plume]

definitely not

[runic hinge]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[balmy condor]

Void elf

Or a friendly neighborhood pocket evoker

[runic hinge]

Is your brother

[wise plume]

nope

[oak eagle]

guess im getting pocket evokerd then

[slate crown]

I'll have you know you forced me to remember this song and it has lived in my brain for the last 48 hours thx to you

[restive glade]

anyone else feel like bleed build in ToP kinda sucks or jsut me

[cunning needle]

@balmy condor is there an up to date site for maple story skill guides? every single one that I've found tells me to level up keen eyes which doesn't exist anymore

[runic hinge]

Must have a younger sister then

[wise plume]

bingo

[wise plume]

the untimed +14 i did earlier it felt pretty nice tbh

[hallow glade]

with this uptime in a rookery, would a 665 pacemaker be a better idea than a 678 eye of kezan?

[runic hinge]

Top is so wack

Dungeon is for sure the worst in the pool

Maybe if I played sub it would feel alright

[wise plume]

id rather run TOP for a full 3 slot M+ vault than run rookery once

rookery is straight up buns

[oak eagle]

i dont play bleed build in top

i play hybrid with garrote talents

rookery is just ass

i hate having to spec swap in that dungeon just for last boss

since sin damage profile for that boss sucks

[wide gorge]

wait you swap to sub mid dungeon?

[wise plume]

that dungeon is just straight dogshit

[oak eagle]

yeah

i swap sub after the second boss

and play st sub for trash + boss

[sacred schooner]

what should we pick with dinars without mythic raids? mythic signet?

[wise plume]

i would say ill try that next time, but i dont plan on running that dungeon again this season

[oak eagle]

i mean, if you ever do end up pushing keys

[wise plume]

ill push every key except that one

[oak eagle]

swap sub after the second bos

boss*

i mean if you want to push keys youll have to do that dungeon at some point

if youre wanting title

[wise plume]

i work too much for title

[oak eagle]

fair enough

[runic hinge]

I like the trash in rookery up to the first boss. After that it’s buns

First boss kinda okay too

[thin portal]

b

im tired of learning new specs

eh

[runic hinge]

Just play what’s fun dude

You’re not in the mdi or rwf just play what you enjoy

[wise plume]

sub is fun tho if you want a challenge

[runic hinge]

Sub is fun for 15 seconds every 90

[wise plume]

its also nowhere near as bad as it was in s3 of df

[runic hinge]

Maybe 21

[thin portal]

outlaw is forced ks and im not playing that

so hopefully after learning sin I can just stay

no more spec switching

would be nice

[silent furnace]

when do you run hybrid and when do you run bleed build in M+? or is it just whatever you prefer?

[runic hinge]

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[sacred schooner]

lol he made macro

[silent furnace]

cool

[sacred schooner]

i thought he was joking

[runic hinge]

Yeah he got tired of the every day lol

I mean it is the most asked question lately

[sacred schooner]

true

[runic hinge]

I understand why

[sacred schooner]

bad zeross infuence

probably if he log out without talents people will follow it as well

new meta

[runic hinge]

Need zeross to log out in bleed

[jade abyss]

When we play bleed now o.o

[rotund oak]

1 ===> most based

[thin portal]

last key of the night gonna end here on good note. First 3mil overall. still need a better plater to see bleeds though would help a lot.

[sharp viper]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[sharp viper]

check out whispyrs or ceverions maybe they are to your liking

[jade abyss]

[thin portal]

think im using whispyrs

and bleeds are small

oh i see

im just not using it correctly

color of the hp bar means something

[ocean root]

Are the above platers better to see which mob got bleeds etc?

[thin portal]

rupture is still faded out on them

not sure if that can change

they turn purple for stalker

but no change for rupture

[coral ibex]

did you turn off the debuff tracking or something

[grim jay]

Because you dont need a change for rupture

[coral ibex]

i know whispyr's plater shows the debuff icon for rupture

[grim jay]

Its just the necessary stuff

[thin portal]

yeah it shows rupture but my bars around stacking properly

I cant see which ones have rupture on them at certain angles

[grim jay]

Its not really important either tho

As long as you can see 5 of them

Odds are at the time of refreshing there arent more alive anyways

[thin portal]

well i also dont like standing there doing nothing trying to look if they have a rupture

[grim jay]

But why would you care

[sharp viper]

you can stand there looking pretty at least

[grim jay]

You dont necessarily need to rupture everything

[thin portal]

i cant get 5 ruptures consistently

because overlapping

i have my options set to stacking but they still overlap in blizzard shitting small areas

[grim jay]

That sounds kinda weird.

But considering you are trying to play with mouseover, it might not be that surprising

[sacred schooner]

just send it same target twice == 5 ruptures

[thin portal]

im forced to tab until i find one without rupture

[coral ibex]

but why

[grim jay]

You could just do what wildray said

[coral ibex]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[coral ibex]

you can just cleave them with carnage

[thin portal]

hmm

so we can rupture the same target and it applies to another at random?

[sacred schooner]

mouseover only worth on really big pack

it applies on one without it

[grim jay]

2 others

With carnage

[sacred schooner]

or tab like first pull in meadery etc

on normal 5-6 mob packs not worth it imho

[thin portal]

i see with carnage

[sacred schooner]

just send same target

[verbal stirrup]

why would you lose an extra rupture for no reason other than being lazy

[hollow river]

Because being lazy is fucking bis

And it’s a tiny optimization

[verbal stirrup]

if you like miss a mouseover or it causes you to miss a gcd sure

[thin portal]

what is lazy about mouseover

[verbal stirrup]

i didnt say mouseover was lazy

[hollow river]

That’s not what they’re saying

[thin portal]

its so convenient

[grim jay]

Because it doesnt matter and being bad will even cost you

As said above

[verbal stirrup]

well, it does matter

[grim jay]

Its really 2 ways

[hollow river]

It doesn’t

[sacred schooner]

its way too small

same like holding energy for tea to not auto proc

[verbal stirrup]

but the problem with the way people are wording this rn if someone comes in here with no context its not clear that its strictly better, but just takes more effort

[hollow river]

Casting rupture twice into 1 target gets you your 5 ruptures up

[runic hinge]

i mean

its right there

[grim jay]

Brother, it got mathed out 200 times and it is doing barely anything at all

[verbal stirrup]

i have no issue with that post

[verbal stirrup]

you dont need to math out

the dmg difference

between an extra bleed

and no extra bleed lol

[grim jay]

You kinda need to

[runic hinge]

is small, cause its just one bleed

[hollow river]

When it comes to added damage per second, it’s miniscule

[verbal stirrup]

i love having people respond to me with things i never said

[grim jay]

You said its strictly better, but its not

[verbal stirrup]

its a tiny dmg increase that takes a tiny amount of effort

completely proportional

[grim jay]

Its sometimes equal, it can be worse or it can be better

[subtle tundra]

lick my ass

[runic hinge]

ok

[verbal stirrup]

it literally is

[grim jay]

No

[hollow river]

[sacred schooner]

haha

[grim jay]

[sacred schooner]

[thin portal]

ok i see

[coral ibex]

gotta mouseover my ruptures or i wont time my weekly no leaver 10 key

[hollow river]

Yeye. Very easy

You can do your entire opener into your main target basically

Garrotes/ruptures, etc

[thin portal]

it would be nice if rupture turn hp bars red

[verbal stirrup]

you can accomplish that with a wa script

although i wouldnt recommend for other reasons

[grim jay]

Gotta get that 10k overall increase if I didnt fuck up like every human does and played something irrelevant perfectly.. Or did I maybe lose 20k because I didnt?

[hollow river]

You don’t want too many things changing your plate colors at once

[verbal stirrup]

people did this a lot with things like mark of the crane, moonfire, etc

[sacred schooner]

you can do that with plater

[thin portal]

then i can just mousover the non-red bars

[subtle tundra]

or just dont swap targets until youre used to the spec

[verbal stirrup]

keep strawman

[hollow river]

Think he’s already got DSM changing their color

And I assume spatter

[runic hinge]

ye both

[subtle tundra]

i wasnt swapping targets for a long while and i am used to the spec

[grim jay]

Keep fighting after you lost before you even started

[grim jay]

You can swap between my toes ravas

[subtle tundra]

STOP YOU ARE NOT ZAQ

[grim jay]

[hollow river]

@thin portal do you not have a WA to show your amount of ruptures up?

[subtle tundra]

he probably does, he just doesnt know he do

[sacred schooner]

every pack usually has it

[hollow river]

You can also change player settings so they don’t stack on top of each other as bad

[sacred schooner]

since we need to track 5 stacks

[hollow river]

Or make the debuffs bigger

I’m not familiar with what the platers in here look like

[sacred schooner]

try whispyr one

[thin portal]

yes the WA tells me if i have 5 up

[sacred schooner]

good enough

[hollow river]

I use a diff profile that I like already

[thin portal]

but my problem is seeing it for mouseover but If carnage applies it on the same target can just ignore it

[hollow river]

Just meant for context of the discussion

I don’t tend to like the color changes on my plates

[sacred schooner]

🙂 problem with platter it does way too many nesting ( at least for me )hard to mouseover

[verbal stirrup]

you can adjust this

to any amount u like

[hollow river]

When all the mobs are color coded based on what they do

[verbal stirrup]

yes

[hollow river]

You can adjust basically everything about plater

[meager plank]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[verbal stirrup]

having colour just for 1 ability tracking

when its like ur prime resource

[hollow river]

Size, padding, layout, saturation etc

[verbal stirrup]

for mob types in big packs

all ur preference but

esp. if u play multiple toons a lot

just better to have colours for mob types

[hollow river]

I track DSM stacks and spatter as debuffs

Ye

[verbal stirrup]

people also dont blacklist any debuffs on their nameplates so they have like 18 random procs on their nameplates and thats why they want to push it to a colour script

usually if u sort out what ur tracking and its visually ok more than enough as a debuff still

[hollow river]

I see the value in it

I’m just already used to doing it all with debuffs

[sacred schooner]

i have wa for marks with lightsaber sound

[hollow river]

I always tweak my debuff tracking settings as well

To make them very visible

DSM stacks are very similar to unholy wound stacks now that I think about it

[rain coral]

hey guys any info so far which, rune is best for the assa to use on helmet?

[sacred schooner]

check pins 🙂

[thin portal]

guys i got a guildy to make plater

green for rupture

[rain coral]

which Pins?

[thin portal]

if no green, then it doesnt have rupture

omg

so easy now

[hollow river]

Does your spatter not make the bar green?

[red schooner]

Pinned comments in the channel

[sacred schooner]

pinned messages, right upper corner

[thin portal]

i dont care about spatter

just bleed tracking

[hollow river]

Huh

[sacred schooner]

[hollow river]

Spatter is important man

[thin portal]

hmm

[hollow river]

I would make rupture turn bars a different color you’re not using

[sacred schooner]

spatter more important than missed rupture

[hollow river]

And set it to lower priority than your DSM/spatter colors

[thin portal]

i wasnt looking for spatter before

[sacred schooner]

and it is easier to miss as well

[thin portal]

what

is spatter the mutilate rupture target im guessing

[hollow river]

Yeah

[sacred schooner]

poisoned*

🙂

[hollow river]

You refresh it with a mutilate every so often

[thin portal]

yeah i dont need to track that I just stay on the same target and mouseover bleeds.

ez

[hollow river]

You have a WA for spatter then?

We only mutilate once to refresh spatter

[subtle tundra]

well personally i wouldnt care about showing spatter on plater, but mark

[hollow river]

The rest of the time we FoK

Ye but you gotta have it somewhere

Doesn’t have to be on plates

[subtle tundra]

i count to 10 in my head

[hollow river]

Ok ww main

[red schooner]

shit I get to 5 then I get confused

[hollow river]

Keep counting

[subtle tundra]

1 2 3

1

1

1 2 3

fuck

i keep losing count

[hollow river]

WW never presses 1-1

Combo breaker !

[sacred schooner]

do you need to press different abilities like feral?

never played ww ;x

[subtle tundra]

i sometimes do cause i get confused cause FUCKING PARRIES?????

[subtle tundra]

what the fuck do you mean by feral

[verbal stirrup]

bloodtalons

[thin portal]

OMG

GUILDY HOOKED ME UP

[sacred schooner]

feral dont press same skills cause of bt yeah

[hollow river]

Feral casts 3 diff builders to buff bite or w/e

[thin portal]

Orange = Garrote on target
Green = Rupture on target
White = both on target

my new plater colors

[hollow river]

Every other ability has to be different on ww to enable their mastery

[subtle tundra]

and hit combo

💦

[sacred schooner]

sounds so complicated omg

[hollow river]

What about Deathstalkers mark and spatter

Got WAs for those?

[subtle tundra]

its great

[hollow river]

It’s really not

[thin portal]

yes those are on WA

[midnight mist]

Not really cause you have like 15 different mini CDs so hitting the same ability twice in a row is kinda hard

[hollow river]

Ok cool, you’re prolly fine then

[thin portal]

also for spatter im listening for the mutilate crunch sound

sound cue

[midnight mist]

You don't track spatter?

Yo ryuk

[thin portal]

its on the WA

[subtle tundra]

hey man ill fist you

[midnight mist]

Don't forget to throw a kick in between the fists

But ty

[thin portal]

spatter is on the WA i dont need it on the hp bar

[midnight mist]

Huge !

[thin portal]

i just need bleeds on hp bar

so in packs of 9000 mobs

I can just see the colors

Green if has rupture

so nice

if green we good

[hollow river]

overlapping duration numbers

[thin portal]

yeah i need to turn off omnicc or something

[hollow river]

[hollow river]

there's a setting you can turn off inside plater settings i'm pretty sure

so that it doesn't do that

[thin portal]

turned off omni cc

fine now

ummmm

would like to change color to neon green tho

omnicc has the good color lol

[golden loom]

u dont need to turn off omni cc

u just disable omni cc in plater

[thin portal]

oh thats what trickz said

[hollow river]

you can change the text color in plater settings too

size, color, font, anything really

[thin portal]

yes but i havnt looked into the settings

=x

[hollow river]

highly suggest it

personalizing your stuff is peak

[thin portal]

yes but

where is the text setting for debuffs on the taret

taret

[hollow river]

i don't have the game open atm

it should just be like 'debuff settings' or something

[thin portal]

found it

changed to NEON GREEN

we good

dont need omnicc since using WA

omnicc is if your using actionbars

that text didnt fix it

abort mission

need to find debuff text still

[brisk lily]

Heyyy guys

Got a question for assa.
When you burst, do you need to put mark before rupture and garrot for dmg boost ? Ou if you put mark after it still upgrade dmg of bleed ?

[hollow river]

wrong section yeah

[normal mist]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[hollow river]

you bleed before deathmark

but check out the guides ye

@normal mist

[normal mist]

Yo yo yo morning

[thin portal]

found it

green is there now

Buff settings -> Aura Timer

how do i disable friendly debuffs?

wtf

must just be the dummys

[grim jay]

Just Blacklist every debuff except the ones you wanna see

[thin portal]

where is that

its turned off it must be a dummy thing

nice

weird that other player auras is disabled but still showing

on dummys

oooo

seee how easy that is

green means it has rupture

now i can mouseover bleeds in peace

gg thats all for tonight

more keys tomorrow

to test

[solar wyvern]

Nameplate changing color with rupture kinda sick tech ngl

Just awkward when I'm trying to find kick targets

Hmmm

[thin portal]

just look for yellow bars that need rupture until 5

=d

white is current target

[outer bronze]

any tips for a new assassination player running m+? feeling like my aoe is just nonexistent

[midnight mist]

i change the border

[sacred schooner]

are you using bleed build?

[outer bronze]

im using m+ build off icyveins

[sacred schooner]

best to start with wowhead guide, whispyr did a great job explaining stuff

[outer bronze]

gotcha ty

[thin portal]

is your WA for sin too?

or is that custom plater?

[midnight mist]

thats a plater script yes

I made it so that it hides bleeds icons until they are close to pandemic, so I'm not spammed with info

And then the plate borders are green when both rupt and garotte are on, otherwise it's red with only gar, and pink with only rupture

[thin portal]

thats nice

[blazing pumice]

that's similar setup to mine, except i use bar colour

only problem is i can't see mob agro properly

[midnight mist]

ye i use bar color to differenciate mobs

[blazing pumice]

it's supposed to change border colour but i can't see

[midnight mist]

like casters and shit

for agro i use the name color

thats a setting on plater btw

works fine

[restive glade]

https://tenor.com/view/you-guys-are-getting-paid-gif-20686662

Y’all are color coordinating???

[thin portal]

damn

zac with the ultimate plater

red text sounds huge

for aggro

[subtle tundra]

thats something... common

and really helpful

[thin portal]

Im not used to playing with plater just using profiles

[shy creek]

most profiles should have that

dt ive played with one that doesn't tbh

[normal kindle]

what will you buy with your 1st DINAR ?

[rain coral]

guys will the rune be available tomorrow?

and is there a ranking which one will be eligble for assa rogue

[mint valve]

Is cyrces still better than 684 ring?

[sonic pagoda]

circes is equivelant to 700 ilvl ring but sim it?

for assa that is

[indigo sphinx]

If you mean cartel chip above is tomorrow/weds. If you mean corruptions thats week after.

[red schooner]

In the pins, as mentioned before for rankings.

[indigo sphinx]

#assassination message

Handy dandy link to it if you don't know how to click on pins

[indigo sphinx]

Depends on your profile, for some people yes, some no, as dustx says sim it good bean

[tall jay]

jaster DIamond is off of Gally correct?

[red schooner]

Aye

[tall jay]

cool, i better go get aotc lol

[red schooner]

I may be mistaken but you don't need aotc for heroic jastors, just a gally kill on any difficulty

Unless they changed that

[tall jay]

oh I thought it had to be the lvl you completed

[red schooner]

I think that's just for myth track

[indigo sphinx]

I think they removed that requirement entirely so you don't even need to have killed the bosses

[tall jay]

ok, cool...might not was my time then lol

[indigo sphinx]

Probably so you don't get new players doing the quest and unable to buy anything at all with their chips

[red schooner]

Oh, neat! The more you know

[tall jay]

so we can get mythic track stuff ?

[indigo sphinx]

No sorry, to clarify for heroic items you don't need to have killed the bosses

Myth track raid is kill the bosses, myth track M+ is all 12s timed

[tall jay]

ah, ok 😄 lol

[indigo sphinx]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/the-war-within/puzzling-cartel-chips-quest-overview

[tall jay]

wren...l2read sometimes...

comprenhension is hard 😄

[red schooner]

I'm just patiently waiting for the ilvl boost tomorrow, gonna get 413 gilded from upgrading my crests

Log in, jump up 8 ilvls or something. Life is good.

[subtle tundra]

sure you have all the valorstones?

🤨

[red schooner]

Got 2k on my rogue, 500 in the bank, 2k on my druid

So, I should be good

[grim jay]

Nah

[subtle tundra]

he is unaware

[grim jay]

Thats not enough

Not even close

[red schooner]

I know it's a 25% loss from transfers

[red schooner]

Shouldn't be too far away

Hopefully

[rain coral]

btw. what ya say to bleed build in high keys ? is it still on par with kingsbane?

[grim jay]

!build

Hu

[rain coral]

?

[balmy condor]

!builds

bot dead again?

mfer

[rain coral]

!build

[earnest remnant]

haha point and laugh at this dude

[balmy condor]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:
If you have to ask, you should play bleed
If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:
Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[grim jay]

Hi moroes

[balmy condor]

🤖

ctrl+f powerful generative AI tool

[grim jay]

Ngl 1 weapon will be 700 or 800 already iirc

Might be tripping

[rain coral]

ah nice thank you

i mean iam pretty happy with bleed

[red schooner]

Even if I'm just doing 2 levels of it as I have a 678 already?

[rain coral]

it performs really well overall

4-4,7kk overall

[grim jay]

Ye weapons are the most expensive items.

[red schooner]

At least my oh is a crafted one so, that's only 30 gilded no stones

[rain coral]

guys would you recommend two crafted 675 dagger if youre not lucky with vault ?

[red schooner]

No

[rain coral]

got 675/658

[red schooner]

Still no

Offhand is a bad slot

[rain coral]

i know damage comes only from mainhand

but just for the stats

[earnest remnant]

@balmy condor think i found my least favorite thing on farm so far, playing Assa on gallywix with a full AoE/cleave comp, never have i ever felt so useless in my life

[golden loom]

I mean with crests uncapping tomorrow, if u have literally nothing else to craft with the sparks, sure

[balmy condor]

[earnest remnant]

bro at 8:50

[shy creek]

!tea

[storm hedge]

if it's the last slot you can craft then sure but def wait for the upgrade item that will let you craft it at 681

[earnest remnant]

my caustic did barely 100mil dmg

[shy creek]

!shiv

[red schooner]

Moroes is napping

[shy creek]

wtf moroes

[earnest remnant]

where as i compare logs and they have like 130mil at 4min -.-

[red schooner]

He needs his rest man

[tall jay]

he didn't get paid

[red schooner]

Let him sleep

[shy creek]

he legit dint get paid thats crazy

can someone give me the tea macro

[golden loom]

#showtooltip Shiv
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=3 Thistle Tea, null

[shy creek]

ty sexy

[normal mist]

Yw

[sharp viper]

how is the caustic range on gallywix? how close do the adds have to be?

[earnest remnant]

its not bad

very easy to hit them

[subtle tundra]

yea... this is why ive quit...

fucking padders

this can not be real..

[sharp viper]

fucking padders stopping us from padding

[subtle tundra]

IM NOT FUCKING PADDING???????????

ITS LITERALLY PASSIVE CLEAVE

[sharp viper]

(it will be some time since that applies to me)

[midnight mist]

right?

same man

[subtle tundra]

LITERALLY IT JUST HAPPENS WHILE DOING SINGLE TARGET, ITS THE BEST TYPE OF DAMAGE

MEANWHILE THOSE GUYS LOSE ALL THEIR SHRINGLE TARGET

JUST TO FUCKING PAD

[coral ibex]

shringle

[subtle tundra]

fuck i wanna see feet so bad

[sharp viper]

all the shringle ladies

[sharp viper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064999316051198025/1296612075606638682/lmfao.gif

[earnest remnant]

look down then varas

[subtle tundra]

porn aaah vfx

[sharp viper]

gotchu homie

[subtle tundra]

i see dissapointment coming from a lil' guy

[jade abyss]

This is ...

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/trollface-gif-18421608504081547171

[grim jay]

Modern art

[jade abyss]

Feets are disgusting

[sonic pagoda]

guys how to make assa rogu emore survivable?

as outlaw its just a feint...

as assa its like wth i feinted

[golden loom]

Assa is the squishiest of the 3 rogue specs

[grim jay]

Kinda

[sonic pagoda]

Then why am i still generally one of the last ones alive in mythic prog lmao

[balmy condor]

rogue very tanky in raid

very squishy in m+

[golden loom]

well in raid rogue is tanky ye

[sonic pagoda]

yeah that for sure

[golden loom]

team goes kabooom? cheat death and ur waiting to die to boss

[sonic pagoda]

The same aoe in m+ though comparable to outlaw and assa is sheesh

[bronze pike]

Imagine using cheat death

Like a noob

[subtle tundra]

sounds like someone hasnt been overexposed to feet and now is starting to like it

[sonic pagoda]

nah in raid ppl just stand in stuff on couldron or rik and i dont lol

[red schooner]

I miss the days of vanishing at the end to live. Did it on sprocket a few times and it never worked

[subtle tundra]

bet you dont appreciate armpits either

[golden loom]

it was my little minigame on prog to try and live with vanish but never got it to work

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/xalatath-xal'atath-feet-wow-world-of-warcraft-gif-17385860347846332910

[red schooner]

Used to work in other expansions I swear but now? Yeah no chance. Boss just keeps hitting you.

It's some bullshit

[sonic pagoda]

I made alts this week

ANd now that its 430 am and i need to go to sleep all i want to do is play my rogue im having withdrawls lmao

[royal lantern]

REAL

[sonic pagoda]

mm hunter and surv is decent pugs are crazy 620 ilvl shit stomping all kinds of 650 ILvl ppl in lower keys lmao

[subtle tundra]

no you dont have to sleep

[royal lantern]

playing another class -> "man i could play my main instead"

[subtle tundra]

just log on

[sonic pagoda]

i have nothing to do on my roughe except push 12s and 13s

[subtle tundra]

those people are not actual humans. they would get dps increase from 1 button rotation btw

[sonic pagoda]

its kind of doomer hours i would imagine for keys

[grim jay]

Thats so me

[sonic pagoda]

I mean i got the ele/resto shaman chilling doing 10s and 11s at 650 ilvl lol

then i made a warlock and did 4 m+ and then i said wait this class sucks and geared my hunter from 540 ilvl to 635 today.

all in all ranged sucks melee is better, yet, nothing is as fun as rogue. warrior sucks, paladin is for the well ill be nice, feral is assa for the furries, dk is the slowest class in game no shot i play that ish, enhance played it last season fuck that, dh well i can zip around as outlaw. did i miss anything?

[final star]

DK isn't slow?

especially unholy

[grim jay]

Dk literally one of the faster ones nowadays

[final star]

I've been told the entire opposite even

[grim jay]

@royal lantern @balmy condor @spice spire #subtlety message Power Rangers assemble

@quiet oar Is out of line

[sharp viper]

let him play what he wants

[balmy condor]

@quiet oar bozo

[lavish hazel]

Is it ok to spend at 2-3-4cp on supercharger ?

[balmy condor]

he can't respond cause I muted him

[red schooner]

Traitorous bastard

[balmy condor]

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

it is ok, but it's not better

just doesn't matter

[lavish hazel]

And for darkest night is it better to send it fully or its okay to send at 4-5 cp

[balmy condor]

its fine, but it's not better

[lavish hazel]

Okay Thx

[sharp viper]

"it just don't matter none" ~ whispyr

[lavish hazel]

Ye idk

I feel like I dont do dmg in raid this tier

Idk what i am doing wrong

So im looking for mistakes

[sharp viper]

you can ask for a log review if people have the time for it

[red schooner]

Yeah, drop a log in the channel and someone will look at it. I'd offer to have a look now but, work.

[lavish hazel]

How many haste do we want ? The other rogue in my raid is doing way more mutilate

[sharp viper]

!stats

what was the command again

[lavish hazel]

!stat

[quiet oar]

???????????

You Snitch

[analog field]

if you increase haste by 10% you cast like 2 mutilates more per minute, irrelevant

[quiet oar]

You know what Snitches get

[red schooner]

Moroes died

[lavish hazel]

How wow then idk why?

[grim jay]

Bitches?

[lavish hazel]

More procs ? Idk

[quiet oar]

Sin just doesnt feel as good as last tiers

[red schooner]

Stats don't matter, SIM yourself is the tldr

[quiet oar]

Stitches

[lavish hazel]

Is stat weight relevant ?

Or its a dead tool

[royal lantern]

no

[grim jay]

Only if you wanna get clowned

It isnt relevant since over a decade

[sharp viper]

[red schooner]

He had a good run.

[lavish hazel]

Ye idk i see few people using it

[grim jay]

Yeah they got no clue

[lavish hazel]

Okay okay

[grim jay]

Poor souls

[analog field]

it is for sod and classic

[grim jay]

[grim jay]

So it isnt relevant, thanks

[royal lantern]

we talk about real games

[lavish hazel]

Where can I send logs

[analog field]

Only a Sith deals in absolutes

[red schooner]

In the channel and somebody will make a thread. (pls not me this time I'm at work and wclogs on mobile causes me physical pain)

[royal lantern]

im no Lord of the Ring fan

[quiet oar]

What? You didnt watch Harry Destroy the Ring at Gryffindor?

[grim jay]

Didnt Commander Spock help him?

[royal lantern]

spoilers?????

[red schooner]

He only pretended to help him to mislead the cylons

[sonic pagoda]

Guys so as assa we buy heroic jasters diamond if we havent done all 12s correct?

[red schooner]

What Sims best?

Go with that

Problem solved

[sonic pagoda]

and then i dont thinkg my raid group with get a mythic house of cards or we will kill gally so like 2nd by should probabaly just have all 12s done by then and buy something from myth track im assuming

[sonic pagoda]

yeah you are right why have a discussion about class and gearing .

[sonic pagoda]

somone is an asshat