assassination

[harsh wraith]

@balmy condor , hello dear Whispyr. I'm progressing Mythic STIX. And Jesus Christ i hate that thing. Ppl are getting to my nerves. How do i politely say to my rl and fellow riders "i fucking need to stick to the boss to do damage, for god's sake you already forced me to swap SUB on RIK for adds dmg, because you were lacking, please do your job, focus and kick ranged adds. " Dear Lord i need a vacation.

[balmy condor]

idk, you're asking me how to be polite?

seems a bit misguided

I'm famously blunt

I'd just send that idk

[harsh wraith]

lol, i just wanted some rational argument to back up my statements

i'm frutrated with the fight, and with ppl, i need some guidance

[balmy condor]

if adds aren't dying you can play CT

I recommend it

[charred summit]

XD

It happens to all of us @harsh wraith

[harsh wraith]

OK, I'll try that next reset. What annoys me most is the swapping sto bombshells. Jesus Christ i have to sprint around the map, dot 3-4 adds and focus 1

[charred summit]

we were born to suffer the critics of other classes

:c

[harsh wraith]

Amen to that

[balmy condor]

that's what boomkins are for

[subtle tundra]

i could not raid in such a shitter guild

[balmy condor]

you running around dotting bombshells aint' doin shit

[red schooner]

That's what I said before they went, "so, you have a druid alt, right?"

[cedar iron]

It's the effort that counts

He's trying

[harsh wraith]

no dear god, no. i'll quit rather than playing boomie againg

[normal mist]

Play in a aotc guild and be the one complaining

[red schooner]

It almost happened to me

[charred summit]

Always for that kind of bosses... very helpfull

♥

[red schooner]

My druid is a cat, I just wanna bleed things man

Not spam moon things

[charred summit]

rik too @normal mist

[normal mist]

Slowly and steadily I'm losing the competitive me

I don't push m+

I don't push parses

I'm just a chill guy

[charred summit]

XD

[harsh wraith]

Our RL was adamant that every1 focus bombshells. Including me. And swapping once my target goes under 80%. I complied. But i wanna die inside. I'll try CT anyway. Thx for the tip 😄

[charred summit]

did you tried "/gquit"?

LMAO

[balmy condor]

sure, but I'm gonna be honest, unless they're checking logs to see if you're mutilating the bombshells, they'll never notice

you probably do similar damage swapping to them as you would not swapping

maybe even less

[normal mist]

My RL: everyone soaks

Me: 😹

I can't hit the boss if I soak

[charred summit]

XD

[harsh wraith]

nope, i'm stubborn as a drunken monkey, i want my CE this tier, and i'm not swapping guild now

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna be real idk how that's gonna work if your guild is still on stix

[charred summit]

that's why you're rogue then @harsh wraith ♥

[harsh wraith]

i was afraid you would say that.. i'll try anyway..if things won't work, i'll consider swapping ant the end of the seasons. I just think it's unfair to leave now. I'll try my best. thx for your time 😄

[hidden crown]

im so sad man

how do I do better parses as a rogue

[balmy condor]

we're all sad don't think you're special

push buttons better, kill boss faster, pad add harder

[hidden crown]

[red schooner]

Nah, I believe in you. We're getting a power spike may 13th so that might help a bunch.

[harsh wraith]

I hope so 😄

[pastel roost]

Every time i try to change class, i'm wondering where are all the sharp blade sounds. Then i have to come back to rogue, i'm trapped

audio feedback is important x_x

[balmy condor]

I just don't play with sounds on

[pastel roost]

Like no audio at all ? no even cues from Wa or anything ? :p

[balmy condor]

correct

[pastel roost]

Dang, i still use audio cues to help me when there is a lot on the screen. but then again i'm not particulary strong :p

[balmy condor]

I put reminders up for stuff if a boss has a bunch of overlaps or something

otherwise bigwigs is just enough idk

[granite leaf]

It's a preference thing, neither is better than the other

[scarlet wyvern]

i tried the new assa build but somehow it does lesser overall dps than bleed build? Not sure what Im doing wrong I send the correct "rota" too

[balmy condor]

what the hell is a new assa build

[scarlet wyvern]

that one with kingsbane

[pastel roost]

what new assa build ?

[granite leaf]

Probably the build being used in 18s

[pastel roost]

is that new ?

[scarlet wyvern]

old "new"

ye the one in high keys

[balmy condor]

old new with kingsbane

[pastel roost]

Did we just come full circle

[balmy condor]

what are we doin

[orchid pewter]

How is kb the new build

Wtf

[granite leaf]

That is specifically there for boss damage, unholy and boomkin handle the heavy lifting in aoe (I would guess)

[balmy condor]

I mean I've inferred that it's a hybrid build

[scarlet wyvern]

yeah ok new old new old u get me i mean the one NOW suddenly being used in 18s xD

[balmy condor]

that narrows it down to like

20 options

[orchid pewter]

Its never not been used

[balmy condor]

are we talking FI

dashing

blindside

ttk?

[scarlet wyvern]

y

[balmy condor]

lightweight shiv?

YES TO WHAT MFERS

I'm gonna lose it

[scarlet wyvern]

TTK AND BLINDSIDE

THAT

[balmy condor]

THAT DOESNT HAVE BLINDSIDE

[scarlet wyvern]

IDK

[balmy condor]

CLEARLY

[scarlet wyvern]

U CONFUSED ME

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah

build will do dogshit dam unless you're doing like world top 10 keys

[scarlet wyvern]

hmmm

[granite leaf]

Is that because of the length of boss fights?

Because "top 10 keys" isn't really a reason for it not doing damage

[orchid pewter]

That build is soecifically for boss dam

[scarlet wyvern]

tried it in 16s felt meh

[balmy condor]

it's to get back boss damage but also to drop garrotes in favor of envenoms

[scarlet wyvern]

Boss dps was better yes

[balmy condor]

yes, 16's aren't high enough probably

[balmy condor]

I mean it kinda is though

[scarlet wyvern]

then i'll stick to my fav bleed build

[balmy condor]

they're doing way longer pulls in general

[granite leaf]

That's the scenario in which it isn't good, but not the reason

[granite leaf]

That's what I was looking for 😄 thanks

[balmy condor]

[scarlet wyvern]

[balmy condor]

dashing helps out a fair bit energy wise in AoE technically once your garrotes are running out

so it's just ruptures for scent and slam envenoms

can be good, but you gotta get to that point in the pull to begin with

and you gotta pull big enough to have that make sense

[deft dome]

in +2 - +4 we go spatter or bleed build?

[balmy condor]

bleed

[plucky canopy]

And you have to have people to Do the heavy Lifting in aoe for u
And prob plan out your kbs well

[scarlet wyvern]

so KB TTK Build generally better for very high keys (from 18 ideally) because packs live longer + (u need high mob count too?) and boss dps is needed?

[balmy condor]

unless you're doing 15's or 16's just don't bother thinking about anything other than bleed

[balmy condor]

ye pretty much

[scarlet wyvern]

I see

thank you Whispyr

[plucky canopy]

High mob count is kinda in favor of bleeds i guess

[balmy condor]

not really

[plucky canopy]

Oh I though bleeds would scale better in heavy aoe mb

[brazen sluice]

whysper do u think recrafting for diff stats + gems stats is small dps gain that i should not care about? coz my sims are giving me diff stats recommended each week so

[scarlet wyvern]

bleeds is i think mainly for "kill packs asap and let them be executed quickly" for high burst aoe

[balmy condor]

yeh, secondaries are fake

[granite leaf]

If you want to spend 6k on a 300 dps gain, go for it

[scarlet wyvern]

true min maxer

[brazen sluice]

its simming 2-4% dps gain and its diff between 3mins fights - 5 mins ights and for mythic prog 6+mins , tired of trying to minmax all lengths xD

[balmy condor]

it's kinda more so that bleed does around the same or more aoe, but then is just straight up easier to play, doesn't require timing cds, and you get bigger demise pops so it ends up being more overall that way as well

[granite leaf]

There is no way you're getting 2-4% gains from shuffling around stats on 4 crafted items

[subtle tundra]

nobody changes gems per fight. at most they change from raid to m+

[balmy condor]

like compared to a standard hybrid build it's just a straight up improvement across the board (except maybe 2-4 target)

the shit you're seeing people run is all sorts of whacky hybrid setups trying to cram more st into the build

which makes the comparison much more murky obviously

[granite leaf]

The bleeding edge is always a bit of a wild west

[brazen sluice]

yeh its trinket + recrafting https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kz3wgVCxdZ3FB1oBxsEFFC im full mythic tier gear except trinkets

[granite leaf]

What fight are you simming 3 minutes for? The amount of variations is too high for me to quickly see what is impacting it so much

[brazen sluice]

3mins for heroic reclears 5min for some longfights such as last boss hc 6m+ for mythic prog currently we r @ mugz

[granite leaf]

You're at mugzee and still doing hc? How many days do you raid?

[brazen sluice]

3 + 1 optional hc last 4

[plucky canopy]

No need to sim hc if you progress mygzee

[granite leaf]

Dear lord I wouldn't waste the brain power on optimising hc, but you do you

[plucky canopy]

All u should care about is "minmax" for mugzee

[granite leaf]

If you raided 2 days like me, I would've said you were mad for doing hc alongside mythic

[plucky canopy]

We are mad

[brazen sluice]

so if u want a 1 sim and u say fk it , u stick with 1t 5mins?

[granite leaf]

5-6 minutes yeah

I don't know if my rationale for 6 is sound but I've been doing it because it brings kezan into good value and the late fights this tier need damage in the latter parts

[plucky canopy]

If you are looking at mugzee and gally probably 6-7 min

[brazen sluice]

yeh i hate it when its in the late fight and u starv energy to the point u cant spam envenoms even

[brazen sluice]

will do it ty

[plucky canopy]

But u are fine with 5min Sims overall, 7mins is mostly for better value for trinkets like kezan

Which scale very good with fight lenght

[granite leaf]

I'm a ret main, I just turn up with whatever equipped and do the same damage regardless

[brazen sluice]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1wLCUdCXVbjywRaWK3bE95 yeh but in 5mins i see sims ask for vers like this

[granite leaf]

If you want to spend the gold on a 0.2-0.3% gain, go for it

I wouldn't waste my time tbh

[plucky canopy]

Let me say it that way

I would recraft and do what the Sim tells me

Does the 5k will ever make a difference? No

[subtle tundra]

hold the gold for the mortgage or smth i dunno

[granite leaf]

[golden loom]

did u sim every item in the game and they are all within margin of error?

[granite leaf]

There is no guarantee that if you do the recraft that the resim won't tell you to recraft again

[rotund oak]

its not like it worths millions btw

its a recraft,like 5-7k gold tops

IF it costs that much

[granite leaf]

I'm a ret paladin, I hear recraft I instantly think 10k minimum plate is expensive

[rotund oak]

nothing is expensive anymore

my recrafts on ym hpally are like 4k

[granite leaf]

You're not on silvermoon EU right?

[rotund oak]

if i decide to spend gold and not farm them

no ravencrest/stormscale

[granite leaf]

Silvermoon is mental atm

Everything is double the region average

[rotund oak]

thats sus ngl

[royal lantern]

?

you know that like, 99% of the AH is region shared

like, the only non-shared stuff is BoEs

[subtle tundra]

no no no no

dont... ruin it

[rotund oak]

i think even boes

but im not 100% sure

[granite leaf]

Oh right, I completely forgot commodities went regional back in like, what SL?

[royal lantern]

@spice surge are boes server or region wide

ye, back in SL

[hot flicker]

Boes is server

[granite leaf]

Then why the fuck are weapon enchants 5k

[royal lantern]

5k is nothing?

[hot flicker]

Some realms share because they are connected

[granite leaf]

They were 7.5k 3 weeks ago

[royal lantern]

like, thats barely beating the mats

[rotund oak]

mats are cheaper than 5k

[hot flicker]

Servers like silvermoon have big player counts and don’t share AH with other servers

[rotund oak]

and its not 5k

more like 3.4

[royal lantern]

weekday makes a HUGE different

[rotund oak]

or less

[granite leaf]

100%

[royal lantern]

what

[granite leaf]

I made ~25% on vantus buying on a Monday

[hot flicker]

Boes are not region wide

[rotund oak]

[hot flicker]

Is what I’m saying

[rotund oak]

we know silvermoon is a heavily populated but idk why that would make any difference for AH

[royal lantern]

i need a guildname now btw

[hot flicker]

Well it’s just as I said AH is not region wide and if you didn’t know low populated servers are connected

Silvermoon will not be connected because of population

And not share an AH

[granite leaf]

There was a period about 2 months ago where a few things shot up in price with little discernible reason (mana oil, some jewelcrafting items to name a few), and they just stayed expensive

[hot flicker]

Ofc commodity is region wide

Outside of that it’s not

So like Boes mounts recipes all that shit is not region wide

[rotund oak]

trying to find actual populations for retail

some funny numbers

[granite leaf]

I wonder what % of those are bots

[hollow river]

boe's are server specific

thats why we use the wowp2w site to find the cheapest realms

all gear/armor etc is server specific

anything stackable, like consumes and mats are region wide

[granite leaf]

I'm so pissed though. A guy with the name "Tubz" on Silvermoon was offline for years. I was so close to getting my normal name, then he logs in for TWW and gets to 597 ilevel then dips

[hollow river]

what if they were just playing different characters?

[granite leaf]

Perhaps, but who gets to max level and does 0 content

Actually I know who

Mole people

[red schooner]

That was me for the last 2 expansions

[viscid spear]

Got to wait until Noon to see US Vaults

[red schooner]

Log in, do levelling content and maybe some open world stuff, log off until next expat

[sharp viper]

You guys are getting vaults?!

[granite leaf]

If I'm not doing slightly high M+ or mythic raiding, I just won't play the game

[sharp viper]

Probably more people do that than ever do a single raid boss

[viscid spear]

Idk how much longer; will probably shelve Rogue for a bit and work on Druid until next tier

[royal lantern]

what druid

[viscid spear]

That Druid

[sharp viper]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[granite leaf]

Cat gang

[red schooner]

Hell yeah cat gang

Rogues with a feral druid alt is very common

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/singing-cat-song-meow-meow-meow-gif-10875025514805320877

[viscid spear]

I don't have a lot of time to play and the guild I'm in doesn't try to Mythic raid

[sharp viper]

Cats are just furry rogues

[red schooner]

Yeah pretty much. Also it fulfils my need to bleed

[sharp viper]

[granite leaf]

I play ~11-12 hours per week (at most)

[royal lantern]

Rogues are furry rogues

[viscid spear]

[royal lantern]

50% in this channel are in denial

[sharp viper]

You're not wrong

[granite leaf]

No I'm not

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/block-blocked-you-are-blocked-user-discord-gif-2473019735961525447

boomkin?

[red schooner]

You're not in denial you're just open about it, good on ya

[viscid spear]

[granite leaf]

Furries are disgusting, there I said it

[royal lantern]

fuck off 🙂

[granite leaf]

People that just like cute dogs are fine

[viscid spear]

I need Feral gear, I'm trying

[sharp viper]

No way to talk yourself down, have more confidence!

[red schooner]

What did the chicken do to hurt you?

Outside of the obvious

[granite leaf]

Cross the road

[royal lantern]

press starfall 24/7 in darkflame cleft first boss

[red schooner]

Okay yeah fair.

[sharp viper]

Priority damage just a different priority

[lyric vale]

Im in daniel

[red schooner]

I'm still traumatised by our chicken main running single target build on stix night 1

Just... Why

Why do you do this

[granite leaf]

Best way to stop a boomkin from taking aggro in aoe. Bring a ret paladin, they'll take it instead

[royal lantern]

kinda based tbh

[sharp viper]

Who is that, I don't know people by first name in this channel

[lyric vale]

U know cats have low iq? As animal i say

[granite leaf]

I gapped our boomkin on stix

[royal lantern]

not a furry btw

[subtle tundra]

hi iim michael

[granite leaf]

I said gapped not gaped

[lyric vale]

Idk i just saw him and couldn't stop myself

[sharp viper]

Either giga or giga stupid

[lyric vale]

Feel like my rouge is broken

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-orange-spin-hat-one-brain-cell-gif-2745719316163357325

[rotund oak]

comprehensive dialog in the animal kingdom

😂

[sharp viper]

[granite leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-birthday-gif-27707596

[lyric vale]

My healer is yelling at me all the time u taking to much damage like bro
Stay in fire damage is higher no?

[rotund oak]

[red schooner]

I'm not sure either!

[dawn seal]

meowdy

any 11.1.7 changes

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/meowdy-cat-cowboy-cowboy-cat-gif-10014009665270740623

no

[dawn seal]

meowdy

[iron vapor]

Tell him that if they want the good healing parses they need people to take damage!

[viscid spear]

stands in fire
I'M DOING THIS FOR YOU

[granite leaf]

Best way to parse as a healer, drop 1

[rain coral]

guys which races are best for assa rogue and why?

[red schooner]

The one you think looks the coolest

[rain coral]

nah for real thoo

[red schooner]

For real it's such a small difference it ain't worth thinking about just pick based off of aesthetics

[rain coral]

nah its not so minor

[subtle tundra]

go orc, whichever you likke

youre welcome

50k gold, im on draenor

EU

dont dip. you owe me

[red schooner]

It maybe matters if you're pushing rwf or top top end m+ content, but if you're having to ask about it on discord then yeah, it doesn't apply.

[rain coral]

iam asking a solid question, so again why and which benefits?

[subtle tundra]

i literally answered. youre gonna have to pay extra if i repeat myself

[red schooner]

I got the varas information for free fuck yeah

[subtle tundra]

[red schooner]

Get scammed

[balmy condor]

thinking you're good enough to be affected by the difference in racials, but not being good enough to know the answer without the help of asking strangers on the internet

classic spec discord maneuver

[final star]

I am a void elf cos it gets me out of gaol

:3c

I love race changing every tier to deal with specified mechanics

[normal mist]

I didn't want to say it but well... You did.

[drifting cloud]

damn boss cast the gaols this time kieron?

[balmy condor]

call me gaol the way you're in and out of me

[final star]

boss dead what can I say

[red schooner]

My rogue was a troll when he was made AND HE'LL BE A TROLL WHEN HE FUCKING DIES MECHANICS BE DAMNED

[golden loom]

im sitting in epic bgs farming honor for transmog while playing tft, what a life 🙂

[final star]

now I'm 8/8 instead of 7/8

[balmy condor]

you sound miserable

[golden loom]

im working from home and got nothing better to do

this is a vibe

[normal mist]

You could wait for comp stomp

And farm even better

[final star]

yeah then get benched on mugzee frikkin heck

[red schooner]

hell yeah I get more time to work through my book backlog

[final star]

you can read?

nice

[golden loom]

bro i dont even know what the objective is, I just treat it as a big m+ dungeon playing bleed build

[red schooner]

Nah I just buy books going "ye I'll read these" but then never get to them

It's a curse

[final star]

read Kagurabachi thanks

[balmy condor]

what?

[normal mist]

That's pretty much it yeah

[final star]

also read gachiakuta

[drifting cloud]

🫡

[final star]

thanks again

[drifting cloud]

did blizz get you with the race change discount or were you void elf 2 weeks ago

[red schooner]

Pls no, I'm a reformed weeb. I got better.

[final star]

I saw I was in for mugzee this week

on saturday

and race changed

I do not want to deal with that mechanic

[red schooner]

Also, I ain't getting benched. We were doing fucking 19 man prog yesterday due to attendance issues

[final star]

even though I dealt with that mechanic in p2

[red schooner]

I think I'm good lmao

[sly spoke]

so i just started pugging 15s and im wondering if i really have to drop bleeds/hybrid for the forced induction builds

is it really that better compared to the standard ones

[balmy condor]

not in 15's no

[sly spoke]

it feels turbo ass to play

also is it worth it to drop sudden demise for arterial precision w/ forced induction build? i was thinking abt it before going to bed

[balmy condor]

no

how would that even work

[sly spoke]

no garrote feels cursed enough

[drifting cloud]

you think if they buff sudden demise again people would still try to drop it

[sly spoke]

no idea i just seen some dudes running it on murlok io and had to ask

[drifting cloud]

like you do know it has a passive component to it right

[balmy condor]

is this a classic baited by murlok.io moment

[red schooner]

Why would you drop demise, fishing for the big demise is the main enjoyment I get out of keys wtf

[balmy condor]

dropping sudden demise and taking arterial precision sounds like a raid build

[sly spoke]

i guess so i started this game 3 months ago and im not having fun with new builds popping up by the daily so i figured id just ask

[balmy condor]

I believe you got baited as fuck

[drifting cloud]

yeah assa just has a very open tree for dungeons

so it do be like that

and with resilient keys you have infinite attempts to cook specific dungeons

when zeross times an 18 priory were done for

[sly spoke]

yea i just tried the forced induction build in my resi rookery and it felt so miserable i considered quitting the game

[subtle tundra]

OUT OF THE GOAL? ??? GOOOOOOOAL KOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUNDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[final star]

no, gaol

[grim jay]

Never trust murlok.io or anything on builds

Always ask in here

[iron vapor]

Orc, because orcs are cool.

[normal mist]

Female human

Because I enjoy the attack animatics + stealth

[bleak sun]

Female orc here

Cause zug zug

[grim jay]

You are playing outlaw, ret or warrior?

[balmy condor]

Female orc cause I yearn for the touch of a woman who would rip my still beating heart out of my chest and lift it over her head to let the blood drip on her face in a twisted sacrificial ritual

I mean the racials good and whatever idk

[grim jay]

Thats based.

[red schooner]

Troll male, dunno, I just like them.

[grim jay]

Everyone wants a nice muscle mommy

[red schooner]

Chill guys

[grim jay]

Thats a crime

Begone

Foul creature

[hearty reef]

[red schooner]

We're rogues rogues commit crime

So it fits

[grim jay]

But against people

Not humanity

[subtle tundra]

hey man im the guy who wants to be beaten by the woman i love

sexually only

[red schooner]

Troll male is pretty great though

[subtle tundra]

no abusive shit going on if i have a massive erection

[balmy condor]

If that’s what you’re into Mr varas then vore away, you’re beautiful the way you are

[grim jay]

Bro the feet alone

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’ll be enough, think it’s 2 coins per slot

[grim jay]

Ja reicht, 3 Slots.

[subtle tundra]

thamknks

[subtle tundra]

jerman..

[rotund oak]

ja vol

[glad vessel]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[grim jay]

BEFREIUNG VON LORENHALL

[normal mist]

Perfecto used to play troll rogue too

[dim void]

Howdy everyone, brand new to trying rogue, was reading through the wowhead guide and wanted to see if i'm misunderstanding something.

In all cleave / aoe scenarios am i always funneling my combo points into my caustic spatter target and simply maintaining CT uptime?

Is there any aoe situation where i should be spamming CT or is it only worth it to cast to maintian the DoT itself?

[normal mist]

No

CT is ONLY about the dot

You refresh the Dot, that's it.

I don't think it even still has instant DMG anymore

[frank trench]

Is vexies spare keys simbait?

[normal mist]

Pretty sure it doesn't

[red schooner]

All my chars are trolls. I dunno, I just like them

[normal mist]

They are cool

You're cool

[dim void]

Awesome! Thank you. I was watching a video and saw the person repeatedly hitting it prematurely and got confused if there was something I was missing.

Thanks Royal!

[red schooner]

No you

[spice surge]

Theyre probably refreshing it in pandemic, not spamming it

!Pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[frank trench]

I got it vexies from raid. It sims higher. But since removing improved seaforium my dps feels worse

[normal mist]

If you're playing the bleed build from the wowhead guide, you also use CT in single target

And you prioritize having CT up first, envenom later

[dim void]

Oh snap. I did read about this but it didn't occur to me while watching. You're probably right.

[limpid lava]

who the hell is UDK

[rotund oak]

unless darkest night isnt it

[timber crow]

im completely new to rogue and wanted to know on how many targets do we use crimson tempest? ty for answer

[red schooner]

Hello, it depends on the build you run

[rotund oak]

there are conditions but normally on bleed build we prio crimson tempest even in single target,for aoe normally 3+

[spice surge]

If playing the bleed build you always have it up, even on ST

[rotund oak]

try to check out the guide

[spice surge]

With any other build its 2 targets

[rotund oak]

what two

[timber crow]

Okay okay ty guys :3

[subtle tundra]

CT is almost good enough to use in ST on normal build, add 80% damage increase when its 2 targets and then also hitting 2 targets instead of one, its complete bonkers

so yeah 2T!

[rotund oak]

its 20 per extra target up to 100?

what 80%

[subtle tundra]

ok nvm 40%

but my point is the same

so fuck you!

[rotund oak]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[subtle tundra]

i dont even play rogue

loser

[rotund oak]

call me :3

[subtle tundra]

i dont even play the game

ill fondle your balls

[tall atlas]

I dont even have ram

[rotund oak]

that kind of game doesnt need a sub

[spice surge]

It does, just a different kind of sub

[subtle tundra]

me me me me

[tall atlas]

terrible influence

[rotund oak]

Eleem going 50 shades of grey type of thang

my world is collapsing

[tall atlas]

your arse will collapse if youre not careful

[dim void]

Is the general consensus that bleed is currently the stronger of the two or simply different?

Just from roughly reading around is it correct to assume bleed is better AoE focus but poison still has the superior prio damage due to kingsbane?

[rotund oak]

u got no idea 😉

[spice surge]

If youre not playing +17s play bleed

[dim void]

Exactly the kind of answer i'm looking for. You guys are great haha thank you

Last question though i swear.
I usually main tanks, sometimes heal, rarely dps. But from that perspective i'm an avid Iron Wire fan.

Is there any world where i can regularly fit this in without crippling myself?

[spice surge]

Yes, drop the second shiv charge

[dim void]

I'm not losing anything significant abandoning the dry shiv?

[spice surge]

What

[rotund oak]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[rotund oak]

assuming we are into supercharger tech wouldnt it be troll to drop 2nd shiv?

(asking for me)

[spice surge]

Why are we assuming that when were talking about the bleed build that doesnt run it

[rotund oak]

need to donate some blood,ill come back to ask again :3

[cloud basin]

Bleed build makes my brain go "yes" when I pop off with 9 mil dps on a trash pack

[royal lantern]

its like 2% dmg

not optimal, but also not a worldending thing

and if you can avoid wipes with iron wire silences, its a gain for it

[sharp viper]

I too have a she hulk fetish now after playing fem orc for years

[spice spire]

Dogs?

[spice surge]

Woof woof

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/james-franco-wait-what-wut-wtf-nani-gif-25479769

[dapper cradle]

the quality on this gif is insane

[dapper cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-impressive-very-nice-coping-patrick-bateman-gif-26518058

[gusty mirage]

?

[sharp viper]

[dim void]

Ahh maybe i misremembered what i read in the guide. Had to go back and look at the dry shiv section and its pretty clear now that its for when you have kingsbane, my bad.

[spice surge]

Well if you only have 1 shiv charge

you use it on cd anyway

So you do the dry shiv anyway

[strange python]

@balmy condor if bleed build is the best for m+ how come the rogues on raider.io are still using Kingsbane.

[normal mist]

This question is asked 50 times a day

[dim void]

Again, really appreciate it everyone. Its a lot of information all at once as a brand new rogue player. The clarifications are very helpful

[normal mist]

We all have been there (I still am)

[devout steppe]

what

how s the build lookin like

[iron carbon]

Cause you're not doing top 0,1 % keys

[normal mist]

Those guys are cooking their own builds for their needs

[iron carbon]

Cause every fucking player play their builds depending the team/pref/needs

[dapper cradle]

when ur doing 19s/18s, you basically have to play around the dungeon

[strange python]

How is this relevant, aside from using defensives and doing mechanics you want the most damage especially in harder keys

[dapper cradle]

so you gotta cook to order

[spice surge]

Also m+ players just like to make shit up

[iron carbon]

Read above

[spice surge]

One day ST is the most important thing

The next its mass aoe

The next its cleave

[trim oak]

Hey guys! I''d like to try out the bleed build after months of (happily) playing the hybrid one.
I just read the wowhead guide and my question is... rotation wise is basically everything the same as the hybrid or am I dumbie? I couldn't notice the difference besides the Kingsbane absence and the CT usage in ST, everything else looks like the same? Am I missing something?

[normal mist]

Today you are the most important thing

[spice surge]

Assa has lots of talents it can swap around to adjust for those needs

[devout steppe]

!builds

!build

[normal mist]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[royal lantern]

"most dmg" becomes VERY different in the absolute highest level

[iron carbon]

It's the fcking same for every fcking spec

[strange python]

And are the people replying the top 1%

[royal lantern]

you had stuff like enh shamans literally not playing for raw aoe overall dmg and instead going for more priority dmg as an example

[strange python]

Where is zeross

[royal lantern]

are you?????

[granite leaf]

It's less about the individual spec, it's more about the comp and what they need

[dapper cradle]

Ross will tell you the same thing

[normal mist]

Zeross said multiple times

[spice surge]

If youre not playing 17s play bleed

[normal mist]

For people not to use his builds in low keys

[granite leaf]

You can play anything doing 15s

[strange python]

No but i wonder if it's a decision only for the top 1% why I should be asking less than that

[dreamy rover]

Tru

[royal lantern]

yeha, thats kinda it

[golden loom]

so like top 0,00001%

[strange python]

Thank you

[iron carbon]

Just get the difference between "best overall build" and "best build for THIS specific situation"

[normal mist]

@strange python current r1

[spring stream]

https://tenor.com/view/conanwolf-gif-15824252101317178951

[red schooner]

Why bother asking the channel for something if you only care about the opinion of one player, despite both groups saying the same thing

[dreamy rover]

I asked him why bleed build gets less value on high keys and why does the build sim more and he got mad talking about how I dont know what I'm talking about and dont do high keys like he does

[strange python]

Well I didn't know it was only for the high level players

It was a simple question yet I got an aggressive response

[spring stream]

Very aggressive

[iron carbon]

Just said it's for 0.1 % player

[normal mist]

Extremely

[strange python]

Not very

[iron carbon]

So fcuking aggressive

[strange python]

Passive aggressive

[dreamy rover]

Dude

[iron carbon]

KEKW

[dreamy rover]

Play whatever build you prefer

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/tiny-bit-more-seth-meyers-late-night-with-seth-meyers-a-little-bit-just-a-little-gif-1571879257360640141

[red schooner]

[dreamy rover]

And stop talking

Tbh

[iron carbon]

Just enjoy the build u want

[plain jacinth]

hey guys I'm very new to assassination rogue, do I need two separate keybinds for mutilate and ambush or can I use one bind for both?

[grim jay]

So average high key player

[dreamy rover]

Yhea

[red schooner]

One for both

[iron carbon]

One is good 🙂

[red schooner]

Though, in stealth, make sure to have ambush

[normal mist]

Stealth bar ambush, normal bar mutilate

[red schooner]

For deathstalkers etc

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/djkhaled-another-one-anotherone-gif-4905376

[golden loom]

ambush only on stealth bar

[plain jacinth]

yeah I was unsure about the doomblade talent, if ambush also procs it

[golden loom]

functionally the same ability

[plain jacinth]

ok thanks

[dreamy rover]

Rogue is bad, choosing between 2 builds that are almost the same in output wont really change the fact that UH DKs are doing 40 million on a lucky pull while you do max. ~20m

So play whatever makes you happy

[spice spire]

Is that why I play myself

[grim jay]

Can still be close in overall

So rogue aint bad.

[dreamy rover]

Meh

[iron carbon]

In pug, it may, yes

[solid hemlock]

udk is for braindeads

[grim jay]

Would like you to play me like a violin

[golden loom]

idk I dont get mad that my teammates do big damage, just makes my vault keys go faster

[grim jay]

For most in premade groups it can aswell

[grim jay]

Based

[dreamy rover]

If your a rogue and playing vs a good balance druid, dev evoker, uh dk, or any mage spec you will not beat them

You just wont

[spice surge]

Ofc you can

[iron carbon]

Dunno, I don't have premade 😦

[grim jay]

You easily can

[red schooner]

Never begrudge another class for flying too close to the sun, just view them as shields for the nerfbat

[iron carbon]

I only beat UH in pug

[spice spire]

[dapper cradle]

Ross plays against the best dks and druids, and he still beats them sometimes

[granite leaf]

This is me, me and our hunter are always gapped by our boomie

[dreamy rover]

NERFBAT

[dreamy rover]

Idk dude

[granite leaf]

Some keys it's perfectly even split across all 3 of us

[dreamy rover]

Those classes I mentioned are doing stupid damage

Dont have trash boss damage

[grim jay]

Assassination does aswell unless bad

And it doesnt have trash boss dmg either idk

[dapper cradle]

ross' build does giga ST btw

he's usually #1 on boss damage in his keys

[solid hemlock]

i never play with udk, and when i do they suck

[grim jay]

What does he even play

Didnt he play that whacky supercharger build

[dreamy rover]

If its a high key with big pulls you for sure are not beating those classes man I guarantee you that. If they get enough uptime you will be beat. Its just how this season is tuned

[solid hemlock]

double shiv - supercharger - no MA

[grim jay]

There are plenty examples of it not being the case

[dreamy rover]

Come ON zayn

[granite leaf]

First pull of brew, pulling the whole room, boomkin rips

[grim jay]

And many good people in here beating those classes

[dreamy rover]

Skill issue if not

[solid hemlock]

who cares assa does 12M every pack without cds

[dreamy rover]

Sure, I've beat some of them

But that just means

Theyre bad

[grim jay]

Nah, skill issue if you get actually gapped

[dreamy rover]

Or small pulls

[dapper cradle]

#outlaw message

[dreamy rover]

Yhea idk yall are on CRACK

[dapper cradle]

that's like a 17 or 18 flood

[solid hemlock]

only classes i got beaten by is feral and MM - and thats just player diff

[dreamy rover]

What the fuck is zeross on

[dapper cradle]

i think this is his high-key build

[granite leaf]

Are you talking about getting gapped overall? Or getting a big pull where you don't have CDs and the boomkin does?

[dreamy rover]

Overall

[grim jay]

He basically said he is getting gapped

So rogue is bad

[dapper cradle]

mfs will take that build into weekly 10s/12s and then say it's dogshit

[dreamy rover]

Yhea thats what im saying bud

[dapper cradle]

[grim jay]

Looks wild, might try for the funzies

[dreamy rover]

Rogue is so good you repeatedly see them on really high keys

[normal mist]

Unless they stealth

[dapper cradle]

i don't think anyone is saying that rogue is the strongest pick this season

[dreamy rover]

Lmao

[dapper cradle]

i think people are just saying that if you're dedicated enough and build diff enough

you can make it work

[grim jay]

Literally not the definition of good or bad, nor of getting gapped. Classes get taken for other reasons than damage

[dapper cradle]

it's just way harder

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/rimshot-pun-joke-ba-dum-tss-drum-gif-15808941

[viscid spear]

I think I have done a single key with another Rogue and that was a ToP.
He was Sub; we never got picked to fight.

[normal mist]

Gotta practice my dad jokes

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-chess-win-gif-17584376170894933930

[dreamy rover]

But buddy im talking about high keys where you get very good uptime, big pulls and good players

Not your +15 pug playing with clowns

[gusty mirage]

They really don’t

[grim jay]

Yes and you got told and shown that sin isnt getting gapped

[lean plover]

No you dont

[dreamy rover]

Suuuuuure

[gusty mirage]

Damage and survivability are the only two things that matter

[lean plover]

if dk wasnt a dmg blaster you wouldnt take it

[gusty mirage]

If your spec does both, you’re in

[dreamy rover]

Dude is talking about sin like its a uncapped aoe spec

Come on lets be real

[gusty mirage]

If you can survive and do fuck all for damage, gg go next and vice versa

[grim jay]

No I'm talking like it isnt getting gapped while you say it is

And you are just wrong

[dreamy rover]

Sure

[gusty mirage]

There was a reason that last few expats hunters weren’t in the highest keys despite doing disgustingly good damage

[lean plover]

Exception being moonkin, but you perma ps and shield him so

[gusty mirage]

Good damage doesn’t matter if you die

[lean plover]

Remember df s3

[dreamy rover]

If a uh dk gets 0 life is blood procs youre still losing overall

[granite leaf]

There was no exception made in the original argument

[lean plover]

Bm did bazillion dmg

[granite leaf]

It was specifically about boomkin and UDK

[lean plover]

U didnt take one

[gusty mirage]

Cause they died

[lean plover]

ye

[gusty mirage]

If a mob farted their way

Just fell over lmao

[unkempt vine]

This is true. Im just run 10-13's keys with randoms I think people still think 15's are the same as 13's, and , and 17+'s are the same as 15's... but the gap is huge. I witness it in DF when I really tryhard with a comp of friends.
And ofc people is only searching for the "HIGH" dmg builds, when you put them on a 15+ and they can barely stay alive and press defensives or stops. It's insane.

[lean plover]

Moonkin dmg is just stupid

[dreamy rover]

Also every hunter is braindead

[lean plover]

And its not hat farted on

[dreamy rover]

Thats something to think about

[grim jay]

Idk, arguing with you is kinda useless. You dont believe screenshots of high end players being shown to you and better people telling you. Do what you will but stop crying about rogue being bad

[gusty mirage]

Ye moon kin also comes with vers buff, brez, roar, aoe interrupt (even though it sucks), and innervate for the healer

So its kinda worth the effort in helping them live

[dreamy rover]

Yhea misinterpretation GOAT right here

[grim jay]

You mean other reasons than damage?

[gusty mirage]

The main reason is damage

[granite leaf]

[dreamy rover]

Ill keep crying about rogue being bad while gapping everyone on every pug i join

[gusty mirage]

They just have damage + a fuckton of utility to overcome them dying easily

[short comet]

lol beam far from sucks

[lean plover]

they wouldnt be tsken with no dmg

[gusty mirage]

Beam does suck, esp compared to what it used to be

[lean plover]

Its not like arcane is good now bc they changed utilitt

[grim jay]

The point never was no damage

[gusty mirage]

Bring back the silence while mobs are in beam

IMO

[granite leaf]

Beam combined with VDH sigils lock entire packs down

[lean plover]

it just deals a lot more dmg

[gusty mirage]

If they’re gonna keep it an obnoxiously long CD they need to revert it

[granite leaf]

Which is.... comp building

[dreamy rover]

What

[granite leaf]

It's almost like you need to combine classes to get the most out of them

[lean plover]

no pls, let moonkin nkt be meta

[gusty mirage]

Yeah beam used to perma silence mobs in it

[dreamy rover]

They didnt remove beam's silence did they?

[lean plover]

for a bit

[dreamy rover]

What

[gusty mirage]

Now it just interrupts

[unkempt vine]

Since we on topic, when you press beam, and interrupt a spell does it count 1 interrupt even if other spells were being casted? does it totalize the number of casts u stop ?

[dreamy rover]

Loooool

Theres no way

[lean plover]

Im pretty sure it still silences

[gusty mirage]

Unless they made the silence pixel tight

[granite leaf]

It stops casting whilst it's up

[dreamy rover]

Yhea i was under that impression also

[gusty mirage]

Because I’ve watched mobs over the last 3 expacs sitting on beams casting

Like oh okay

[warm shard]

A few questions about mythic bandit.
1). Is it worth holding DM for adds? It seems most send at the start of the fight.
2.) Are people putting rupture AND garrote on real assistants?
3.) How many adds do people recommend throwing bleeds on? Is there a specific one like always the melee add?
4.) Do people ever focus adds or just throw bleeds on them and caustic off the boss
5.) For bombs should we rupture snipe or just aoe with fok/caustic?

[granite leaf]

It would be turbo shit if it was an aoe interrupt with a 1 min cd

[gusty mirage]

They probably made it pixel tight

[lean plover]

Thats probbaly bc beam radius is tiny

[grim jay]

Fact is that if rogue does the same as say druid, you will take the druid if its more useful on the utility side.

[gusty mirage]

Ye it used to be bigger I think

Probably a visual thing

[lean plover]

Yes, if 2 classes deal same dmg, utility is a tiebreaker

[gusty mirage]

Man legion boomkin beam was so OP lmao

[feral wasp]

Dont invite boomkins to your groups

[spice surge]

1. No
2. No
3. Mostly just the one right next to the boss for energy
4. No just hit boss
5. Just hit boss, toss out a rupture if you run out of energy

[gusty mirage]

Well they’re not people, so at least you can freely abuse them

[frank trench]

Anyone else finding vexies spare keys to be simbait? I got the myth track one and replaced seaforium since it simmed worse on both dungeon slice and single target and it seems like dps has gone down. I see like zero people using it on murlok.io either

[dreamy rover]

I be sending DM on pull, not really worth hold cds and your cds end up hitting adds even if you dont hold them

[spice surge]

I mean all trinkets suck ass, cant imagine you'd be able to tell a 0.3% difference either way

[dreamy rover]

YOU FUCKING FAST MAN

[grim jay]

Do you actually aim it and hit the enemies tho?

[dreamy rover]

COME ON

[gusty mirage]

I can, but that’s because I’m on the spectrum. Checkmate

[frank trench]

I mean we are a rogue standing in meele range how do you miss

[granite leaf]

Fastest nope in the west

[gusty mirage]

https://imgur.com/1nUZrGo

[stuck jacinth]

ngl got keys on an alt and it took me a few uses before I realized you actually had to aim it 🤣

[spice surge]

Just hit boss

[granite leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/clint-eastwood-draw-gif-19805060

[grim jay]

Ive seen things

[frank trench]

Haha

Yes I aim lol

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-monkey-smash-food-hold-gif-3493937

[spice surge]

The biggest pro and the biggest con of playing assa

All you can do is hit boss

[frank trench]

I just figured I would see literally anyone use it on murlok

[gusty mirage]

I’m using a veteran track candle trinket from delves because I cba balancing two on uses even though it’s more damage. AMA

[grim jay]

Many just farm whats labeled as good

They then build the gear around that

And if you have high crit pacemaker can be worse than it could be otherwise

[gusty mirage]

Pros: no thinking just unga bunga, and I get a candle on my head every minute which is kinda funny.

Cons: the ilvl is tragic

[dreamy rover]

What

Just go do a floodgate son

[gusty mirage]

I have been man

[golden loom]

have u tried something really important?

[gusty mirage]

It just won’t fucking drop

[golden loom]

just get the drop man

[gusty mirage]

True

That’s what I did with signet

And jastor’s

I just looted the item

Idk why I’m complicating my 2nd trinket

[golden loom]

fr fr 💯

[dreamy rover]

This

Oh Id suck a toe for a jastor

Thats all I need from HC

[gusty mirage]

It’s a normal jastors though

It’s not even that cool

[granite leaf]

I got Jastor from the weekly TW box a month or two ago, then eye of Kezan from the raid box

[gusty mirage]

It beat out a myth ring I got in vault last week somehow

So there’s that ig

[dreamy rover]

Yhea im PRAYING for hero jastor's today

[dreamy rover]

Huh

Were stats bad?

And also jastors kinda fuck up your mastery balance

[normal mist]

What are bad stats? :3

[dreamy rover]

Haste and versa

Fight me

Theyre bad

[granite leaf]

Intellegence

[dreamy rover]

Fight me

[granite leaf]

[normal mist]

It seems you're fighting your own demons bro

I'll let you be

[dreamy rover]

I have versa

[granite leaf]

I just input items into the robot and it tells me what most pump

[golden loom]

if your trinkets dont look like this you arent trying hard enough im sorry to say

[dreamy rover]

Yhea i trust robot

[spice surge]

Im mostly mastery+vers waiting for the sub buffs so i can swap back to sub

[granite leaf]

I have priory and harmonizing crystal myth

[dreamy rover]

You better find a seat while you wait

[granite leaf]

My ret has not had a single myth track trinket from vault or raid appear yet

[dreamy rover]

Cause itll take A WHILE for blizzard to give a shit about sub

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-cat-dance-cat-cat-meme-chinese-cat-gif-12629347036627000898

[spice surge]

Surely its buffed in the next tuning pass next week or the week after that

Or in .7

[royal lantern]

just check how much stats the jester effect gives you, its dumb

[spice surge]

[dreamy rover]

Huffing hard

Lol

[dreamy rover]

How much?

TELL US TRYAN TELL US

[royal lantern]

sorry eleem, sub commited the biggest mistake you can do in wow

being good in the first 2 weeks of a raid

[spice surge]

Well the ring gives other people a bunch of stats too, which is part of why it sims so high

[red schooner]

The fools

[royal lantern]

beginner mistake

[spice surge]

Cursed to be down there with aug in overall statistics

[dreamy rover]

The jastor's description is so good

[spice surge]

And the burst jobs sub used to do have dissapeared because strats have changed 💀

[dreamy rover]

"You take credit from other player's actions"

Bro just claiming shit he DID NOT do

[granite leaf]

Doing literal healer damage because you've got to wait 20 seconds of CDs

[dreamy rover]

Sucks to suck i guess eleem

As people have said

Sub was good with a 675 dagger

That means it needs a 20% nerf to sec tech

Surely

[sharp viper]

also old 4set or 2+2 set

[dreamy rover]

Yup

[sharp viper]

-50% dmg aura nerf justified

[dreamy rover]

2+2 was kinda assassinstion stuff

Who the fuck is Kezan?

Why did we steal his eyeball

[royal lantern]

Kezan is the name of the Island you start as a Goblin

its a jewel

[sharp viper]

our resto druid won the ring first week on normal and then he won a heroic version two weeks ago. our dps are still salty about that (myself included)

[cunning needle]

does shiv amp mind-numbing poison?

[dreamy rover]

Ahhhhh

[royal lantern]

what is that garbage loot council

[sharp viper]

no loot council, everyone can roll

[royal lantern]

why is the druid such a PoS

other question

[sharp viper]

he was salty that he did not win hoc or eye of kezan

[royal lantern]

cus thats GIGA selfish shithead behaivor

[iron carbon]

No RCloot, what did you expect Tryan?

[spice surge]

I mean on that ring specifically it matters less than on a lot of other stuff

Since like half of the effect just buffs other random people anyway

[iron carbon]

This remind me old stupid french guild I was in... Healers crying for loots and so and so

RL saying "I trust you, just roll what you need"

[spice surge]

Besides you can just buy the ring in a week or so

[iron carbon]

So much drama

[spice surge]

[dreamy rover]

Pov your guild uses wow audit but theres a bunch of slackers and stupid people that dont sim themselves to find the best gear combination so youre just always the worst upgrade out of the whole raid

[cunning needle]

yeah it does

[cunning needle]

thanks

[dreamy rover]

Sucks to be punished for min maxing your character

[dreamy rover]

Are you talking to yourself fimbulvtr

[royal lantern]

or be in a decent guild where the RL aknolwedges that and doesnt giventhem anything?

[dreamy rover]

MY DREAM

[royal lantern]

find one

[cunning needle]

no?

[dreamy rover]

Yhea you are, you just replied to yourself

[cunning needle]

other fimb

[dreamy rover]

I cant even really complain, my guild is pretty good for my first ever mythic raiding experience

[winged sun]

@earnest remnant I’ve had another bug with sin where darkest night isn’t being consumed by my envenom

[merry marsh]

Happened to me recently too

[winged sun]

It just refreshes it’s duration instead

Idk what’s causing it

[spice surge]

Out of range movement stuff usually

[winged sun]

I haven’t checked if the dmg bonus is being applied

Eleem

Any info on envenom expiring?

[spice surge]

Iirc its just a visual bug

But i could be making shit up

[winged sun]

The buff does go off no

We have logs of it too

I did check my buffs

It just disappears

[spice surge]

Well ye but the bug is that it shows the buff to be longer than it should be

[winged sun]

@spice surge #assassination message

@spice surge #assassination message

[bright tartan]

[spice surge]

Ok ye thats different than what i was talking about

idk about that

[winged sun]

Idk I had it happen to me in raid too last night

It’s weird abit

[mental atlas]

!wa

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[gusty mirage]

I can’t read

[gusty mirage]

The motherlode one haste mastery, not ideal but not dogshit

I thought it’d at least be close because of the ilvl dif but apparently naw even the normal jastor shit on it

[unborn plover]

whats everyone playing atm in keys, bleed or hybrid?

[coral ibex]

bleed

im not doing title range keys

[frosty nebula]

!wa

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[proud pelican]

Bleed but I’m playing very modest keys this season like 13s

[shadow lark]

I just realized i've been playing a scuffed bleed build all week

[proud pelican]

What was scuffed about it?

[frank trench]

Ok yeah vexies spare keys is dumb looking at my parses

Like in rookery it won’t hit first boss in flight window, and it doesn’t hit last boss

I’m assuming I’d have same problem in mechagon

[wide ferry]

Bleed still slaps in +14s confirmed

[spice surge]

Ye idk, my best guess is that some other similar overlapping type effect from another player cancels it (painbringer or festermight gets refreshed before you lose envenom) but it only happens for those few seconds at the end and not previously in the key so no idea

[dreamy rover]

yhea not that bad tbh

[brazen sluice]

weird

[shadow lark]

I was going off of outdated information

[wary pawn]

any1 can tell me max renown possible atm? returning player

[strange tundra]

why wouldnt it

[spice surge]

If youre talking specifically about the raid one then its 9

For the other ones you just scroll all the way to the right and thats the max, but those dont matter

[wary pawn]

yeah raid one, ty

im at 3 :X

[spice surge]

Do the raid more

[vast shuttle]

is this good dmg +12 psf 668 gear?

[strange tundra]

yes

also dont think about it so much

depends on the dungeon

and what pulls tank does

etc etc

[vast shuttle]

true

[strange tundra]

idk what dungeon i did i forgot at +14

and i had 2.9m overall

doesnt seem big but we timed it and i was 1st dps so idk

[vast shuttle]

yupp

[native heron]

"if you aint first your last!"

😛

[strange tundra]

fr fr

[native heron]

❤️

[strange tundra]

👨🏿‍❤️‍👨🏿

[spice spire]

[vivid lodge]

if you use the bleed build on wowhead, what is the best talent to swap for iron wire?

[spice surge]

Lightweight shiv, like it says on wowhead

[strange tundra]

is it worth doing nightfall event

idk what it gives

[strange tundra]

u can drop lightweight shiv, or drop bone spike, or drop bone spike and move doomblade to kingsbane
depends on what you want personally
but keep in mind losing shiv is the least dps loss

2% dps loss

[frank trench]

Do people use atrophic poison in higher keys?

[strange tundra]

rest is like 4%++ loss

[vast shuttle]

or spike

but dont rlly need wire unless u pug

its personal

[vivid lodge]

i pug +16 atm, and did motherload 6 resets later, i tried a iron wire build and it worked

wasnt only sure what we swap for it. thx guys

[hexed frost]

how do i sim with different races?

[winged sun]

@spice surge not sure if you can recall the build I’ve been posting, just a side question, do we press crimson tempest on 2 targets with that build?

Since it revolves heavily around poison dmg

[spice surge]

Yes

CT is almost worth pressing on ST with full raid build (with ct specced obv)

[royal lantern]

CT stronk

[winged sun]

Interesting

[royal lantern]

kinda overtuned

[spice surge]

So it doing 140% more damage makes it worth by a lot

[royal lantern]

its why blizz buffing CT was REALLY weird

[winged sun]

Ngl those aoe buffs we had were nice

Wish we could get more of those

I am biased since I do m+ a lot but ye

[spice surge]

Might get some as compensation if they fix the aura double dipping stuff

But they probably hold off with that until next season

[winged sun]

What’s that?

[spice surge]

Caustic, sanguine and singular focus benefit from the +7% aura buff

So instead of 40% caustic is doing 42.8%

[winged sun]

Oh I see

[strange tundra]

do we use any of this i have no idea what it is or where it goes or if u can even get it now

[spice surge]

The idea is to have envenom do 100, then spatter 40.
With 7% aura buff it should be 107 and then spatter 42.8 but instead spatter does 45.8

[royal lantern]

in roughly a month, and right now its void ritual

[spice surge]

Cant get it until a month or so

[strange tundra]

is it like one time use and it stays?

[royal lantern]

its a head enchant

[strange tundra]

ok

wait u are the liar

u told me 2% dps loss

and it was 2.4%

[spice surge]

Void ritual was the best so they buffed the others by 200%

[analog field]

how much was bonespike?

[spice surge]

Void ritual still the best

[strange tundra]

over 4% didnt do the maths

[spice surge]

Thats how awful they were, and theyre still bad

[royal lantern]

the classic, just like they did with trinkets

[spice surge]

3% dmg