might be yaping
#outlaw
craggy quiver
Maybe priory
gaunt phoenix
possibly related but im leaning towards no
craggy quiver
candid locust
if only we had a rogue dev in this group...
fathom bramble
back when it was uncapped it use to hit corpses
candid locust
oh wait
fathom bramble
but they fixed it ages ago
torpid fiber
...I wonder if somehow the extra targets from dancing steel aren't "affected by uhuh"
fathom bramble
okay not that then
vivid vessel
its like the first bte of the fight
gaunt phoenix
yeah let's ping realz on a sunday and demand answers
that sounds like a good way to make it happen
candid locust
i ll ping realz on a monday also
gaunt phoenix
if you do it again you'll be ejected
candid locust
for what reason
red zinc
@candid locust wake up
quaint wharf
ejecto seato cuz
candid locust
<@181407351125966849> wake up
i m awake
fathom bramble
yeah nimble flurry is doing it too on cinderbrew
gaunt phoenix
for what reason
because realz being in here is a privilege we're not going to disrupt by being dumb
fathom bramble
it just starts only hitting 4 with 8+ clearly in range
frail veldt
The problem I see with BF not hitting all the targets is to me it seems like not an easy fix
It almost points to like a game engine issue
trail star
Can't find the convo but I remember asking if BF wasnt supposed to apply poisons debuffs because it couldnt count 8t with crippling debuff XD
candid locust
because realz being in here is a privilege we're not going to disrupt by being d...
hmm
frail veldt
So I would not hold your breath if youre hoping for a hotfix on this one
latent oak
The problem I see with BF not hitting all the targets is to me it seems like not...
what if they uncap it :^)
fathom bramble
the perfect chance to rewrite BF so that it remembers the damage type and whether it was a crit or not đź‘Ś
candid locust
i will hold my comment for a later time
frail veldt
what if they uncap it :^)
that very much could be a fix yeah OR BF not hitting targest would still be bugged even if uncapped
red zinc
uncapped but it still hits 1 target sometimes
frail veldt
so entirely likely that it would still be broken
red zinc
banger
rancid ledge
yeah let's ping realz on a sunday and demand answers
dude i almost forgot it was sunday.... now you reminded me i gotta go to work tmrw and now im sadge >:c
craggy quiver
Even if they uncap it still might not hit all mobs
frail veldt
^
craggy quiver
frail veldt
depending on th elevel of bugged this is
vivid vessel
still will hit more 
fathom bramble
it wouldn't surprise me if the bug is related to the cap
craggy quiver
still will hit more <:CAUGHT:1280607213420806215>
TRUE
vivid vessel
ye
fathom bramble
what if every hardcapped spell in the game does this 🤔
vivid vessel
since the bug seems to scale witrh target count
river escarp
I mean no joke it could
vivid vessel
imo its one of these
hollow portal
13.0
frail veldt
what if every hardcapped spell in the game does this 🤔
very well could be the case
vivid vessel
like
frail veldt
that all aoes have this bug
where they dont hit targets sometimefs
even though theyre within radius
but for outlaw its very noticeable
vivid vessel
one side select 8 target, the other select 8 others
only the ones that overlap are allowed
frail veldt
yeah
vivid vessel
similarly to the grapple thing also
where you have 2 checks
that disagree with each others
torpid fiber
Grapple thing tilts me so much why tf are the checks different
craggy quiver
frail veldt
could be like during mob movement, client side flags mobs as within BF, then if those same mobs move out of BF radius when on server side it doesnt then select new mobs and instead results in us doing less than target cap.
fathom bramble
well the 2nd check on grapple just runs a different type of check
frail veldt
but yeah to me this sounds systemic and hard to fix
fathom bramble
but yeah it could be that regardless
red zinc
why is there always nephews that come in here once a year to complain to and harass realz
frail veldt
lets hope for the best
trail star
could be like during mob movement, client side flags mobs as within BF, then if ...
This could also explain the PS bug
There used to be a bug where you couldnt PS / BTE adds saying they were out of range
torpid fiber
I wonder if it's checking if like the 8 mobs selected for bf client are the same 8 mobs as server would select, even if those first 8 mobs are still in range or smth
torpid fiber
The GM bug seems much more resolvable from a player end though
Get GM, BF, treat GM as a dead buff for the rest of the key
Seems like a reasonable dps increase
craggy quiver
They be parrying the bf dmg
red zinc
wat
rancid ledge
yeye i know
im coming to france soon zaceroo... paris and nice are for sure, probably wanna do 1 more place, where do i go
red zinc
not marseille
frail veldt
The GM bug seems much more resolvable from a player end though
Get GM, BF, treat...
Yeah that ones easier to fix for sure
rancid ledge
not marseille
real af
red zinc
but idk paris doesnt really have standout cities outside of paris in my personal opinion
torpid fiber
Yeah that ones easier to fix for sure
it's also arguably a beneficial bug so it'll get fixed asap
red zinc
just find something that appeals to your tastes I guess
hollow portal
Well then that's the answer that in a pull of +15-20 mobs you make 3-4M and in one of 8 mobs you make 7-8M
vivid vessel
6 bf hits, hitting somehwat closest? sure maybe, but also, when i unzoom
this is the guy im meleeing
rancid ledge
just find something that appeals to your tastes I guess
unfortunately my opinions matter very little. gf decides and we both pretend my opinions matter 
candid locust
but idk paris doesnt really have standout cities outside of paris in my personal...
quick one in my mind Annecy
or Chamonix
candid locust
france is most beautiful outside Paris
midnight granite
What are you looking for
fathom bramble
Well it’s definitely broken
red zinc
france is most beautiful outside Paris
are you french?
vivid vessel
What are you looking for
old logs with bf bugged
candid locust
i am not, i lived in paris for a few years
red zinc
wouldve explained it
rancid ledge
france is most beautiful outside Paris
last time i was there was like 10 years ago... paris litearlly smelled like piss everywhere
gaunt phoenix
pariss
rancid ledge
but also i was a kid back then, now im going as 2 couples should be more fun
vivid vessel
the question is, is it new or not, cause we have been copiumin about bf being broken on big packs since forever @midnight granite
so im trying to find older logs
candid locust
last time i was there was like 10 years ago... paris litearlly smelled like piss...
it s gotten worse over time
vivid vessel
where it happens
fathom bramble
The 7th mob you would be hitting is dead
vivid vessel
which prove harder but idk
fathom bramble
Surely that’s not a thing right
haughty wigeon
why is there always nephews that come in here once a year to complain to and har...
cause theyre degenerate
haughty wigeon
and when they get ejected they go straight to the forums and make claims that realz is a mod and he personally attacked them
vivid vessel
Surely that’s not a thing right
maybe he died in between the melee and bf idk
haughty wigeon
vivid vessel
I mean idk @fathom bramble , im gone now but if you wana check around that timestamp, all the hits are 6 instead of 7, and im hitting a guy so far up, idk how the other targets wouldnt be in melee range aswell
haughty wigeon
what we do on veng/havoc/ret is we make a list of known bugs, and let the dev(s) (cause ret is a different guy) know in a friendly matter in dms
with logs as well
but im pretty sure people already do that here
red zinc
im confused is that season 1 log
vivid vessel
yes
gaunt phoenix
The 7th mob you would be hitting is dead
wait
gaunt phoenix
in my clip it didnt happen until a target died
🤔 
at 12 seconds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_5rpFvsKiU
🤔 🤔 🤔
fathom bramble
Aren’t there worthless yellow mobs in cinderbrew
vivid vessel
ye hold on
fathom bramble
Or is it corpses from a previous pull
vivid vessel
ye you might be right
i think right as my target counter goes down 1
i start hitting 6
fathom bramble
Corpses in raid get culled super fast
That’s why I never saw it on broodtwister
vivid vessel
after this ks
my target counter goes down
this melee
is right after hte ps after the ks
right as my target counter goes down 1
ah well that would make a lot of sense why it only happens in bigger pulls then
@gaunt phoenix tell it to guy tho
fathom bramble
Or cinderbrew/arakara especially where there are shitter mobs that die insta
torpid fiber
Does anyone have a fury alt to test if this also happens for them?
latent oak
it will fuck u after first boss priory aswell right
since ur fighting new mobs in same area alot
vivid vessel
3 bf hits lok
crazy if im not at range of this whole pack
there is still like
idk
10 mobs
gaunt phoenix
there's your alert emote
fathom bramble
The corpses got us
fathom bramble
It’s over
gaunt phoenix
craggy quiver
Bro it's the death bug again?
stiff glade
holy, this is so cursed actually
craggy quiver
Ain't no way
fathom bramble
They already fixed bf and ignite hitting corpses in the past
vivid vessel
thats why
fathom bramble
Surprised it’s back
stiff glade
outlaw, the embodiment of beating a dead horse
torpid fiber
Wonder if it got reintroduced in .0.5 when they forgot to merge changes to current 
craggy quiver
Since at least tww s1
tulip jewel
legit no wonder
fathom bramble
Someone ask the mages if ignite is trying to jump to corpses again
vivid vessel
bro outlaw is so back once they fix
- bf hitting dead corpses
- gm not working
- fazed not working
- deft not working
- killing spree
- target cap
tulip jewel
in giga pulls you do less than 10 target pulls
vivid vessel
Wonder if it got reintroduced in .0.5 when they forgot to merge changes to curre...
no this is a s1 log
tulip jewel
bro outlaw is so back once they fix
- bf hitting dead corpses
- gm not working
...
bro nice essay
torpid fiber
no this is a s1 log
Early or late s1
torpid fiber
ye .0.5 was s1
vivid vessel
but idk doesnt matter
torpid fiber
Or was it .0.7 idr
gaunt phoenix
[Bug] Blade Flurry trying to hit dead targets would be quite the article attention grabber
Wowhead get those ad revenue clicks
craggy quiver
How fast the corpse clear in raid?
frank finch
well realz has also seen it 2/3 done now we need wowhead to do their part
craggy quiver
Wouldn't this been an issue in brood?
craggy quiver
Maybe even stix atm?
vivid vessel
its not as easy to check
latent oak
lok said corpses get culled frequently in raid
vivid vessel
no but even then
say brood
when do you check
cause this would need to be checked at the end of a pack
craggy quiver
True I guess
latent oak
oh u mean u wouldnt notice in real time
vivid vessel
but you would try to check at the start of the pack where lot of targets are alive
we didnt know
torpid fiber
This does seem like a pretty obvious bug for how it would happen tbh so I'm not surprised it happens but I am surprised there's not some kind of static check to force people to acknowledge they're using the "getTargets" that includes dead things
vivid vessel
i mean here i spent like 30 min looking at the starts of my pulls
couldnt see anything
gaunt phoenix
I mean every single chaining effect probably does it
vivid vessel
and lok say that, i just go forward in time 30s
craggy quiver
This bug was a thing
vivid vessel
and easy as that
torpid fiber
I mean every single chaining effect probably does it
maybe, could also just be calling getEnemies[:8] instead of getAliveEnemies[:8], in which case it could be isolated
(Vague names bc idk how wow code works)
gaunt phoenix
ye ye
dense bolt
and easy as that
They fix this bug we do dmg again and then get hit by a juicy aura nerf 
fluid meadow
so the "target is dead" text on the screen sometimes can be different thing from this or cause of this?
vivid vessel
What
tulip jewel
They fix this bug we do dmg again and then get hit by a juicy aura nerf <:kekdog...
nah they’ll bug fix it then lower bf cap to 6
torpid fiber
has anyone simmed what the GM bug dps increase is btw (assuming rerolling accounting for it and such)
clearly it's an increase once you get it going
gaunt phoenix
not sure i will bug koji to recreate the bug in simc
tulip jewel
would have to add the bug to account for it first
trail star
Whats the uptime of gm anyway
gaunt phoenix
HO gets 65%? of every buff
over time average
craggy quiver
Good work detectives
torpid fiber
HO gets 65%? of every buff
over time average
so it's probably like 2% increase over a key or smth
vivid vessel
I think the gm thing is big for ho
Or wdym
They basically where playing without gm
torpid fiber
Ye I was comparing to unbugged sims
vivid vessel
Nah
torpid fiber
Might be worth to take deft XD
Nah bc then you can't bug abuse
craggy quiver
Or just press bf
vivid vessel
na u want to snapshot ur bf and never press again
Ye's
You press bf once when you get gm
And then it's buffed for the end of the run
Till bf drop
torpid fiber
functionally the difference would be going from current GM uptime to ~100% (not actually, start is weird) GM uptime
vivid vessel
Question is more like
Is it even worth recasting bf as kir
If you would drop gm buff on it
latent oak
1fth stocks going down even more
fathom bramble
Pretty sure I have been not benefitting from gm on any raid pull ever
fathom bramble
Precast bf into it never falling off đź‘Ť
vivid vessel
No gm
tulip jewel
rofl yeah
fathom bramble
I mean ho or not your precasting bf
torpid fiber
So in practice this is probably a pretty huge buff yeah
vivid vessel
Surely not for raid right
Ye sure
fathom bramble
Yeah
vivid vessel
Actually very annoying bug
It's probably a DPS gain if you play around it tho
Idk
Surely right
tulip jewel
playing around 29.6 bugs
fathom bramble
Yeah
vivid vessel
You just lock in gm forever
torpid fiber
I think it's trivially a dps gain to play around
fathom bramble
Well only the cleave part of gm right
trail star
gm was.. 10% dmg to bf and some leech right
vivid vessel
Arf that's a shit bug
I don't like it
Gm isn't leech
It's 5% damage
And 10% add bf
torpid fiber
I think it's trivially a dps gain to play around
like, outside of deft, when you would have had GM if it worked properly you still do and when you wouldn't you now do, there's no case where you would have it before and don't now if you play around the bug
wintry solar
gm was.. 10% dmg to bf and some leech right
A loooong time ago
trail star
5% st and 10% bf?
vivid vessel
Ye
gaunt phoenix
Yes
torpid fiber
shoutouts to when GM was leech and snd duration
vivid vessel
It's st damage buffed
On you
So yes
But no
It doesn't double dip
You are asking if it's double dipping
It's not
gaunt phoenix
i cant read
wintry solar
shoutouts to when GM was leech and snd duration <:omegalul:585734084777476096>
Why yes, I would like 2 hours of Slice and Dice. How did you know?
trail star
Okay
hollow temple
@vivid vessel wya cuh
vivid vessel
i cant read
I can but I didn't read his question till after I answered
Very based of me
torpid fiber
Why yes, I would like 2 hours of Slice and Dice. How did you know?
truth it was the bis roll at the end of a key when you were already locked in to time it
tulip jewel
hoping someone would fix*
wintry solar
We pay a sub to be miserable. Not to hope.
fathom bramble
can someone whip the other class discords into a frenzy
and find out if like feral stuff is doing this too
or what
latent oak
have u told the sub ppl about it
torpid fiber
fury is the first id check bc they also have a hardcap
dense bolt
In bed why
Ok noob question here is there anyway to make a wa for gm bug that tells u if u bugged or not
trail star
ignite and?
latent oak
nimble flurry on sub
fathom bramble
Which spells have similar behaviour?
hard to say
trail star
mm ww from warriors?
fathom bramble
ignite has done it in the past, but anything that cleaves off your target might do it
feral has something like that for ferocious bite
torpid fiber
Like if whirlwind is bugged fury players will start protesting in lfg
trail star
assas has something too iirc
hollow temple
In bed why
we outchea doin keys 
meanwhile zacs in bedge 
trail star
acid something
latent oak
crash lightning similar aswell right?
fathom bramble
but if something like caustic spatter is doing it then your just losing some target scaling from the reduced damage past 5 mechanic
takes more math to figure out if it is hitting the corpse or not
vivid vessel
Ok noob question here is there anyway to make a wa for gm bug that tells u if u ...
Of course
gaunt phoenix
wonder if it is simply this
vivid vessel
Wdym
trail star
a spreadsheet
fluid iron
have u told the sub ppl about it
i ranted about it being weird last season
just never dug that deep, since i stopped doing keys
vivid vessel
zac did you have a ss with bf dmg calculator?
fathom bramble
it's okay I'll tell them
torpid fiber
no checking if true just dropping it
vivid vessel
He did check
gaunt phoenix
wonder if it is simply this
this is on nimble flurry and caustic as well
ofc idk if it does what i think it does
hollow temple
wowhead article when 
vivid vessel
Soon
gaunt phoenix
Soon
hollow temple
pog
frank finch
Soon
patent mirage
Those formulas are written in dark ancient language
hollow portal
The good thing about all this is that Blizzard will surely fix it and we will gain 0.5%+ DPS 
past falcon
if this gets fixed and i can do 10mil dps on 1st pull cinder ill be happy
while the dk is doing 25 mil
gaunt phoenix
rather complain about cap instead of bugs
past falcon
nah cap is what it is but doing just over tank dmg is painful
hollow portal
and while dk beats you on 1 objective - 5 or 20 mobs
vestal notch
When even max has opened his eyes about cap, you know its bad
sharp wharf
is the bug something happening in all dungeon? or just cinderbrew
civic void
Cap -> acro -> dinars, rinse and repeat
craggy quiver
rather complain about cap instead of bugs
Really ?i thought you were the other away around
gaunt phoenix
so it can happen everywhere
royal hollow
cant help reading the pin in one of those ai generated voice cuz it starts with "have you ever
.........?" Like those click bait reels @gaunt phoenix
gaunt phoenix
lmao
hollow portal
I think the minimum objective layer should be 10-12 minimum, I don't see anything wrong with the objective layer, as long as the classes that have AOE cap do much more DPS while the cap is maintained than the classes that are unlocked.
vivid vessel
Wtf is an objective layer
vestal tree
time to beg tanks to move away from dead mobs
vivid vessel
Always wondered why it was guild wide
frail veldt
Lowkey refreshing bf on grand melee is YUGE for my damage as ho lolol
gaunt phoenix
i guess a weakaura can see if gm is successfully snapshotted into bf
torpid fiber
Yeah, that'd be the smart way
frail veldt
Also @vivid vessel non deft KiR just got big stonks with this bug
frail veldt
if bf cast while gm buff up
Oh duh lol
vivid vessel
Also <@352916297262301194> non deft KiR just got big stonks with this bug
Ye
I know
cinder relic
vivid vessel
<a:gamba:805943202858401863>
Thanks a lot king
So you roll gm early
But then you don't necessarily want to press bf
You have like
Ub procs to go through
Ace proccing
Idk
gaunt phoenix
ye
vivid vessel
This is an annoying bug to deal with
gaunt phoenix
i getcha
vivid vessel
I'm not sure how to incorporate it in my gameplay
Other than sending a full cp bf sometimes
Is that worth
Who knows
gaunt phoenix
while HO can just snap it once
royal hollow
just drop deft and take something else
vivid vessel
As anyone checked with other specs
royal hollow
maybe
hollow temple
@frail veldt you know what sucks?
royal hollow
and only cast bf when need to snapshot
late swallow
Jesus
frail veldt
<@151872253229924352> you know what sucks?
many things but what specifically haha
late swallow
This might be the most convoluted bugset yet
hollow temple
many things but what specifically haha
even if these bugs get fixed, outlaw will gain an absolute nothingburger in pvp
frail veldt
haha yeaaaah
late swallow
PVP 
late swallow
Mop classic is just around the corner pvp copers
frail veldt
eh
hollow temple
Mop classic is just around the corner pvp copers
frail veldt
The best pvp seasons in wow history
but I think that was more the players not the game
ive been watching some private server mop gameplay
hollow temple
yep
late swallow
Nah the game was goated
late swallow
hollow temple
cc chains in mop were like 3 times as long as they are now
at least winning took actual skill
fluid meadow
wasn't mop pvp like mage soloing anybody like in 3 sec with a combo?
hollow temple
i will say that much
late swallow
late swallow
hollow temple
frail veldt
at least winning took actual skill
Yeah itll be interesting to see but I dont have high hopes
gaunt phoenix
my character name and weakauras are about to blasted to the world through wowhead
love that
vivid vessel
<@151872253229924352> you know what sucks?
Outlaw
frail veldt
tbh I would play it IF the cosmetics/moutns that I earn transferred to my main account
frail veldt
Outlaw
still so fun though
been playing some uhdk
going back to outlaw feels amazing
even though dk does triple dps in big pulls with 630ilvl and no 4 set
frail veldt
haha
vivid vessel
still so fun though
I mean I will say this again and again
I much as outlaw sucks hard cock rn
It's the most fun iteration I ever played
vivid vessel
If you ignore killinspree spree and no acro
gaunt phoenix
we bitch about outlaw cause we love it
late swallow
I love spamming 2 buttons every 45 seconds
fathom bramble
we bitch about outlaw cause we love it
very true
frail veldt
honestly even HO feels great rn
late swallow
To proc a random explosion
frail veldt
due to trickster
vivid vessel
honestly even HO feels great rn
No
fathom bramble
you would have to be insane to sit in here and talk about a spec you DON'T like for days on end
frail veldt
but HO SC Trickster is quite fun still
fathom bramble
like if someone was in this channel that didn't like outlaw everyday just saying stupid shit for some reason
frail veldt
you would have to be insane to sit in here and talk about a spec you DON'T like ...
zeross is in here even though he doesnt play outlaw lol
fathom bramble
for example
gaunt phoenix
frail veldt
that dude just likes to y ap
glass mortar
oh
torpid fiber
zeross is in here even though he doesnt play outlaw lol
I think zeross is perma on energy drinks and needs an outlet
frail veldt
he loves pressing enter
fathom bramble
maybe he likes outlaw
glass mortar
so we have not found any of the bugs to be false so far
trail star
it really does
The worst part of playing HO right now is having played KIR
gaunt phoenix
zero does like law
gaunt phoenix
well we successfully cracked that bf is trying to hit dead targets
glass mortar
indirectly
gaunt phoenix
which is a really succinct reason
frail veldt
well we successfully cracked that bf is trying to hit dead targets
oh I missed this
glass mortar
love how this talent is fuked over by 2 seperate bugs
gaunt phoenix
that explains everything
gaunt phoenix
yes i guarantee it
quaint wharf
damn
frail veldt
so move away from corpses?
quaint wharf
solo the goat
gaunt phoenix
(idk might be wrong)
dense bolt
well we successfully cracked that bf is trying to hit dead targets
Cuz zac was about to explode doing less dmg than the tank W zac
frail veldt
(idk might be wrong)
solo — 4:27 PM
yes i guarantee it
wicked acorn
Whys the intern get to work on outlaw alone
craggy quiver
Probably ain't worth moving packs around
vivid vessel
Cuz zac was about to explode doing less dmg than the tank W zac <:garf_sit:13348...
At some point you gotta ask yourself the right questions
vivid vessel
Should you reroll
Or should the spec get fixed
Im the best out there
So the issue was the spec
late swallow
ReaLz was about to hit us with “radar” talk again
vivid vessel
Quite obvious
royal hollow
vaermina 
frail veldt
Im the best out there
(in pve)
wicked acorn
Do you want logs of floodgates first pull?
quaint wharf
so lets say that its confirmed trying to hit dead targets, would this bug take place in any pull size?
frail veldt
Do you want logs of floodgates first pull?
floodgate I dont think is as obvious cuz it doesnt have many tiny adds that die super fast
vivid vessel
Yes
fluid iron
@gaunt phoenix all ill say is that i started this rant last season but people couldnt replicate or explain what i was seeing, my old ass still got it when something seems sus
quaint wharf
because i know people were saying its noticed more in high pull counts
frail veldt
Wtf is pvp
that thing youre mid at
vivid vessel
And it's basically confirmed
quaint wharf
like CB
hollow temple
Wtf is pvp
where MEN are molded 
vivid vessel
<@921608341048930304> all ill say is that i started this rant last season but pe...
We also talked about it extensively last season
frail veldt
<@921608341048930304> all ill say is that i started this rant last season but pe...
people kept gaslighting us for saying it felt off
valid kindle
how did you confirm? curious to check if a similar cleave effect on another spec has similar issues
frail veldt
saying shit like "nah bro you just arent in range of the targets" etc etc
vivid vessel
The conspiracy theory
frail veldt
how did you confirm? curious to check if a similar cleave effect on another spec...
looking at the logs very very very closely
frail veldt
tracking every damage instance
fluid iron
i went on an 8 hour log dive week 1 of season cuz i got so mad
glass mortar
this explains so much about ara if true man holy
vivid vessel
I found the bug back
gaunt phoenix
Do you want logs of floodgates first pull?
sure
wicked acorn
Now I can make excuses for doing shit damage 🔥
quaint wharf
so BF broken, deft broken, KS broken
vivid vessel
quaint wharf
whats not broken
craggy quiver
How huge are u pulling first pull of gates
frail veldt
whats not broken
OUR SPIRITS
fluid iron
whats not broken
Sub/Outlaw dps
vivid vessel
Does someone have the clip I swear it's a banger
gaunt phoenix
<@921608341048930304> all ill say is that i started this rant last season but pe...
i believed you
vivid vessel
Only guy didn't believe
frail veldt
idk I still feel like I blast as outlaw so im not mad, fun spec
vivid vessel
I had mbmy tinfoil hat on since the beginning!
craggy quiver
Well he's a changed man now
quaint wharf
mewo have u ran sin in any keys this season
frail veldt
fuuuuck nah
quaint wharf
well
quaint wharf
i can tell u
vivid vessel
Fuck you
haughty wigeon
trickster ho
quaint wharf
that outlaw sucks compared
frail veldt
but im doing like 8-10 mil on 90% of aoe packs so I feel fine
gaunt phoenix
well ye outlaw is fine
the bug rhetoric sounds doomy but idk ill allow it
if it gets it fixed
fathom bramble
Only guy didn't believe
I didn’t believe after we failed to find any evidence
haughty wigeon
behold
craggy quiver
quaint wharf
Brighter horizons once 11.1.7 drops
haughty wigeon
11.1.7 patch will drop
4 spec reworks
and 5 hero spec reworks
tust
rust
trust
haughty wigeon
those reworked specs will be. fire, frostl, and arcane mage, with a new mage spec being chronomancer. trust
vestal notch
Rogue hero talents in general are quite bad
craggy quiver
Trickster isn't bad honestly more fun than fatebound
quaint wharf
those reworked specs will be. fire, frostl, and arcane mage, with a new mage spe...
healer mage spec
craggy quiver
Just KS sucks
haughty wigeon
alot of them are aids, but i feel like rogue is due for a change with fatebound
haughty wigeon
trickster is okay
frail veldt
KS is just bad
glass mortar
is it tho
glass mortar
why does it
haughty wigeon
ret herald is aids
quaint wharf
i enjoy trickster ye
haughty wigeon
reaver is aids
glass mortar
increase the difficulty of target swapping
sure its more interesting then fatebound
vestal notch
Is it good, or is the competence turbo trash
haughty wigeon
fatebound turbo aids
vivid vessel
https://www.twitch.tv/unfortunateew/clip/HomelySpotlessJuiceFreakinStinkin-nSGoNSNRRY6euPr- me when bf is hitting dead targets
haughty wigeon
i think deathmarker also badge
frail veldt
KS applying aoe fazed makes swapping not an issue
vestal notch
Bc for subt trickster is obviously better thsn ds
glass mortar
the amount of rules ghostly adds to the gameplay is more then what fatebound adds
vestal notch
and trickster law competes with coin
glass mortar
why does it even exist
haughty wigeon
trickster not aids
glass mortar
im in a 15 target pull
vivid vessel
I didn’t believe after we failed to find any evidence
I don't need proofs to believe, I just know I should be doing more damage cause I'm better
glass mortar
my KS fazed 6 of them
now if my target dies and i cant target one of them with my coup
i dont get any stacks?
why
this does not need to be part of it
frail veldt
the amount of rules ghostly adds to the gameplay is more then what fatebound add...
fatebound adds "adr now takes you out of stealth"
dense bolt
https://www.twitch.tv/unfortunateew/clip/HomelySpotlessJuiceFreakinStinkin-nSGoN...
Hahahah that is so good
frail veldt
this does not need to be part of it
Yeah I agree coup should not require fazed
but its very minor
fathom bramble
I don't need proofs to believe, I just know I should be doing more damage cause ...
I’ve been playing law for too long. I’m use to doing no damage
frail veldt
its a small issue compared to fatebounds entire tree being problematic
vivid vessel
Hahahah that is so good
It's one of my favorite clip this season cause it's so relatable
Banger clip
zealous monolith
small question, the bindings of the windlord for the outlaw artifact appearance can drop from the timewalking version of the dungeons currently on?
dense bolt
yea just the disdain in the face is so relatable
craggy quiver
I’ve been playing law for too long. I’m use to doing no damage
And when we do dmg we get nerf after heroic week
gaunt phoenix
how do people play with their debuffs way up here
frail veldt
thats what I do
gaunt phoenix
why
frail veldt
why do you need to see them?
past falcon
healer mechanic
frail veldt
^
gaunt phoenix
idk i want to see i have a thing on me
dawn talon
i don't even have my debuffs on my screen
vivid vessel
how do people play with their debuffs way up here
I have my debuffs right above my player frame, but with weak auras, so I have mega blacklists
gaunt phoenix
so i can cloak it or
frail veldt
but as outlaw it just so rarely matters I usually just look up and check
craggy quiver
I have Zac wa scream at me if I'm taking million dmg from ks
dawn talon
i just show anything relevant on me with a wa
past falcon
yea actually i just have zac’s wa
vivid vessel
I think if you don't have a way to see any debuff on you
You are cooked
Imo
That just imo tho
vivid vessel
I just look up
Ye ok wtf
dawn talon
You are relying on dungeon/raid packs being good enough
no i just go make it myself
vivid vessel
You are cooked
wicked acorn
how do people play with their debuffs way up here
My add-ons show my debuff under my nameplate
wicked acorn
Plus the debuff in top corner
dense bolt
tbf sometimes i just open my inventory to combat pot
Huh
quaint wharf
tbf sometimes i just open my inventory to combat pot
wtf
wicked acorn
tbf sometimes i just open my inventory to combat pot
I do that to drink health potions sometimes
vivid vessel
Ok but serious question tho
dense bolt
u guys are cooked
gaunt phoenix
i didnt have magnet bound once
frail veldt
You are cooked
its fiiiiine
gaunt phoenix
had to open it
haughty wigeon
Do they cleave
rotationally?
frail veldt
my ui is beatiful
vivid vessel
its fiiiiine
You are cooked buddy
frail veldt
peak ui
gaunt phoenix
what's something else that chains targets like bf/nimble
frail veldt
though the double numbers as a result of omnicd is pissing me off
they broke that in 11.1.5
very annoying
vivid vessel
i didnt have magnet bound once
What's the bug with magnet, someone my stacks don't go away, you said it's when target dies from it last time right
gaunt phoenix
What's the bug with magnet, someone my stacks don't go away, you said it's when ...
if the target dies while the projectile thing is in the air dealing damage
vivid vessel
It still does it's damage tho or what
gaunt phoenix
like the projectile takes a few seconds to finish
gaunt phoenix
depending on your stacks, magnet either does 1 hit, or it does like 4 hits over 5s
glass mortar
its 3 hits i think
vivid vessel
Or too hard I mean
glass mortar
if the target dies in the first 2 hits
u keep ur stacks
if the third hits u lose em
i cheese it alot in delves
its hard to cheese in m+
hollow portal
https://www.twitch.tv/unfortunateew/clip/HomelySpotlessJuiceFreakinStinkin-nSGoN...
balanced
glass mortar
also it doesnt appear it does its splash dot if u dont get the third hit
the splash dot is pretty piss tho
gaunt phoenix
ye that is 0.1% dmg
glass mortar
super op in delves tho
im using a myth one and u can basically use it on cd on any target under 8m hp
and execute it
vivid vessel
Hm
Idk
Like the thing doesn't have a cd
So like
It's not like you are wasting anything sitting on it
But that sounds just like pad damage tho
So idk how useful that is
In m+ I mean
To like snipe targets with it
glass mortar
ye i agree
vivid vessel
Cause you could just like, keep it high stacks, and snipe stuffs prolly
glass mortar
i dont really bother with it
vivid vessel
But idk
That just pad
I guess you could decide to kill the last target of a pack everytime with it
That wouldn't be pad
But you probably are losing uses at this point
dawn talon
ye
glass mortar
especially in higher keys
dawn talon
could keep in mind
that u can snipe a target with it
but playing for it is troll for sure
glass mortar
im leveling arcane rn and what even is this spec bro
u just pull a dozen mobs and mash arcane blast while 5 different proc chances spam orbs
i need ace proc sound effect for everytime i proc a orb
frail veldt
i need ace proc sound effect for everytime i proc a orb
I did this haba
It's very nice
fluid meadow
btw what about pc? meanwhile we hit dead targets is it activating when we are below 8 target when mobs die?
latent oak
wait does this mean pc has been giving no value at the end of packs
since u bf is still trying to hit 7 mobs
oops i typed mine before reading urs
midnight granite
frail veldt
So @gaunt phoenix you think now that you can snapshot GM as HO you can ignore GMs count as a buff for rtb rules?
not suggesting we actually do that tc work cuz it sounds lame and throwaway
but personal play wise should I just ignore GM once I snapshot it lol roll it off with higher prio?
mossy nacelle
guys can someone help me with a question
royal hollow
it still gives 5% damage tho
mossy nacelle
really embarassing tho
frail veldt
it still gives 5% damage tho
oh yeaaaah good point
okay good then ill just keep doing what ive been doin
royal hollow
for ho prob just snapshot and forget about it, for deft kir maybe only use bf for cp when gm is active
runic bough
What did I miss
frail veldt
What did I miss
nothin
runic bough
We striking in game at outside of dornogal AH?
frail veldt
wat
runic bough
Hell yes
Its time guys
Outlaws assemble!
Outlaws world-wide are organizing to strike on their servers, outside the Dornogal AH. They will be shouting "End outlaw oppression".
Don't forget to ask for donations from players.
(Gold obviously)
fiery timber
U Are cooked my guy
hushed horizon
chat is this true?
latent oak
hushed horizon
runic bough
Yup
fiery timber
It is
gaunt phoenix
ew i can't type
proven ocean
<@1172550924519080006> thought on recent bf findings?
we already knew it from DF
its just zac that finally decided to research about it
me and vai always talked about it
vurai is the guy who discovered it first tho
dawn talon
wait, several dungeons have hostile flagged corpses just sitting around
are those also being considered valid bf targets?
fathom bramble
Zac finally got a log where it's clearly actually happening
and we looked into what was going on
dawn talon
like
fathom bramble
I didn't realize some people completely believed this bug was real since DF
and didn't figure it out this whole time
runic bough
We were ridiculed by all our teams
dawn talon
I didn't realize some people completely believed this bug was real since DF
i was grumbling about it in df
wicked acorn
so all this time i thought i just sucked
you probably still do but now you have an excuse (me too)
dawn talon
because of everbloom
fathom bramble
I thought we concluded that there was no bug after no evidence came to light idk
dawn talon
which, coincidentally, has a bunch of corpses laying around
and high target counts in small areas
runic bough
I thought we concluded that there was no bug after no evidence came to light idk
The truth is coming out
We not just nerfed by tuning, design but also by being bugged.
late swallow
ryukage's tin foil hat theories don't seem so wacky anymore huh
look who's laughing
Big Blizz is keeping outlaw down
runic bough
Yeah fr fr
late swallow
the shareholders have spoken!
runic bough
No cap fr fr
analog fog
so i trolled all of s1 playing outlaw only ?
haughty moat
yep
runic bough
Each season we get more bugs depends
covert kestrel
After the bug is found: Outlaw ability damage increased by 3%
runic bough
Blizzard only fixes positive bugs and leaves the negative ones so its hit and miss on what condition outlaw is in overall.
fathom bramble
watch this wowhead article get the bug fixed in under a week
runic bough
bright crane
runic bough
50k thar blizzard doesn't fix til 2030.
fathom bramble
what's even the point of betting if it's such a small amount
runic bough
Sorry not everyone is a millionaire
fathom bramble
my bad
late swallow
Season of Discovery enjoyers having the time of their lives with fun weapons like this
runic bough
vestal notch
swooosh bonk
fathom bramble
my vault after finding out outlaw can't do damage in keys
gaunt phoenix
there i updated the pin to not be 'a suspicion', it is for sure the reason
runic bough
Not only does blazzerd want us to suck at aoe but now forcing outlaws to reroll for m+.
latent oak
u are legit so cringe bro
gaunt phoenix
for real
late swallow
you guys gotta chill out
runic bough
Aw
gaunt phoenix
this is not a haha gotcha i hate blazzerd thing
runic bough
I didnt say that
late swallow
we need a multiplicity of voices
runic bough
I was saying forced to reroll
No hate
Do you still want to play outlaw in m+ knowing our bf is bugged?
civic void
Yes
runic bough
Wouldn't this situation be kind of forced to reroll until fixed just saying. No hate.
civic void
If that mattered so much to me I would be playing uhdk or some shit
covert kestrel
video games are about fun
late swallow
latent oak
latent oak
lookin good
proven ocean
@vivid vessel
this build is legit
broken
@desert tendon
like
theres no way
its legit op
as fuck
covert kestrel
grim spear
which build? bleed?
desert tendon
You should tagging zac every keys
dawn talon
incoming zeross bleed build rant
dawn talon
are u having fun playing induc build though
i might be able to stomach it
i have rly garbage trinkets for sin though i think
gaunt phoenix
nice
glass mortar
not enough that deft is bugged and devalued on its own
its gotta also lose value from another bug
xd
runic bough
I wonder