so monk it is......
#assassination
subtle tundra
dapper cradle
Assa was underperforming in s1 aoe
spice spire
So real
grave osprey
another 5% st buff when?
grave osprey
whispyr are you gonna make a new video about the new buffs explaining how it impacts our spec?
balmy condor
yes 35 minute yap sessions about how 4% is roughly 4%
spice spire
God so real
balmy condor
3 part mini series
quaint spindle
Hiya. We do 4% more. Ends video
vale lantern
yes 35 minute yap sessions about how 4% is roughly 4%
cant wait to watch this
grave osprey
he really does love us
balmy condor
I'm gonna reverse engineer what 4% means
vale lantern
split it up into 20 min sections for ad revenue
spice spire
Hiya. We do 4% more. Ends video
Unironically banger short idea
winged quail
ummm ackshually 4% isn't 4%
grave osprey
Hiya! (shows sponsored water). We got a 4% buff. BYE-YA!
maiden sierra
I'm gonna reverse engineer what 4% means
but its not a 4% buff, its 4% ability damage buff, no melee damage therefore its only 3.9% buff 
oak eagle
Chat, we are so back.
spice spire
Never left big dog
dapper cradle
New sims out for the 4% buff?
oak eagle
New sims out for the 4% buff?
We do 4% more.
grave osprey
is the sub chat having a meltdown?
balmy condor
split it up into 20 min sections for ad revenue
hiya, assassination received a 4% buff this week, but before we go into the math, this portion of todays video is sponsored by factor, thanks for factor for sponsoring and now back to the buffs. So the buffs are 4%. Thanks for watching like and subscribe
dapper cradle
We do 4% more.
Link sim?
main monolith
Assa is back
oak eagle
HAAHAHAH LOSERS
Facts, massive lovers over there.
tight sparrow
Hey anyone has seen the 4 % buff?
main monolith
oak eagle
Link sim?
Take the numbers from the most recent sim, and then add 4%. That will then be how much more we'll do.
grave osprey
dont forget the "bye-ya!"
cerulean nest
if someone doesnt tell me whether or not I should delete my sub in the next 5 secs im gonna fucking scream
oak eagle
Hey anyone has seen the 4 % buff?
Nah I don't think so.
spice spire
Take the numbers from the most recent sim, and then add 4%. That will then be ho...
96kish butt 
vale lantern
just be glad we arent owl or bear weaving like feral druids
spice spire
Buff even
balmy condor
Take the numbers from the most recent sim, and then add 4%. That will then be ho...
ooooooooooooooo can't say that!!!! the melee hits!!!! It's not 4!!! it's 3.28583493294386578373294%!!!!!!! GOTCHA!!!! CAUGHT!!!!
spice spire
oak eagle
ooooooooooooooo can't say that!!!! the melee hits!!!! It's not 4!!! it's 3.28583...
FUCKKKKKKK THE GOAT GOT TO ME
dapper cradle
Based purple name
vale lantern
hiya, assassination received a 4% buff this week, but before we go into the math...
slower more about factor
dapper cradle
Calling out the bs
drifting cloud
hello its been 18 seconds since the last time someone asked if assa is alive now
fading wigeon
Hey guys is the new azerite armor good?
final star
4% incredible buff, case closed, blizzard solved the spec
earnest remnant
yes 35 minute yap sessions about how 4% is roughly 4%
but according to the "math" guy
is it really 4%?
vale lantern
buff bleeds by 100% when they are on only 1 target easy spec is now fixed 😉
grave osprey
4% posted buff, 5% shadow buff.
lusty moon
is it really 4%?
pastel roost
Rogues in shamble, need to recraft gear to Crit/Mastery after changing to versa/Mastery this week
maiden sierra
i was expecting them to buff our melee attacks by 200% and make our damage profile the same as in castle nathria 
spice spire
Real
maiden sierra
you can tell your officer to suck it now
runic hinge
Oh no
vale lantern
i went sub for 1 boss for prog and it was queen when i was asked
cause i didnt wanna hard focus on losing my mark during intermission
main reason i agreed for it
bleak ledge
but according to the "math" guy
earnest remnant
glad to be of service
pastel roost
Oh lawd he comin
cerulean nest
concocting the most sarcastic post he can think of for the pin
plush isle
1 out of 8 aura buffs just hit the towers
maiden sierra
if it does not include a polynomial equation to explain why 4% buff is a 4% buff i will be disapointed
pastel roost
I mean at this point, wihtout talking about ST, our AOE must be godlike now, at least 4% higher
indigo mulch
I dont think 4% is even close enough to put us close to the other rogue specs 😄
dapper cradle
No new pin on 4% buff??????
indigo mulch
I might be wrong tho
pastel roost
I might be wrong tho
But what if the other rogue specs is being nerfed little by little
maiden sierra
I might be wrong tho
sub got nerfed (why tho?) so we might be ahead of sub
tight ginkgo
how much of a buff is 4% 
unkempt lantern
4%
spice spire
how much of a buff is 4% <a:xddentge:1219707973740527646>
Going to kiss you on the lips king
indigo mulch
proper cosmos
#assassination message The prophecy fulfilled
ashen scroll
how much of a buff is 4% <a:xddentge:1219707973740527646>
Its not even a 4% aura buff. Its only abilities.
coral ibex
you can tell your officer to suck it now
lmao we're so back
haughty flicker
pastel roost
<:Deadge:837692722978619402>
So it's 3.76895 % ?
balmy condor
Buffs and nerfs
+3.7% in Single target
+3.8% in Dungeons
Circlet changes don’t affect us DPS wise, we simply equip Windsingers instead of Legendary Skipper. Ring still BiS
BUT DO IT MATTER
No, assa is not rank 1 giga spec off of a 4% aura buff calm down. Our single target in keys still sucks, literally stop it.
how y'all look when "is assa better than sub now" hasn't been asked in the last 3 minutes:
indigo mulch
I mean its just abilitys so melee hits arent affected so its not exactly a flat dps increase 😄
indigo mulch
There we go
ashen scroll
Something like that. Whisypr loves math and is so happy to do more math
pastel roost
Dang i was close
lone minnow
indigo mulch
We would prob need another 4~5% to be competitive.
coral ibex
why sper
plush isle
wild thorn
wh ysper
haughty flicker
is assa better than sub now
pastel roost
the more i look at whispyr pin, the more i laugh, that fucking meme is spot on
indigo mulch
we're still in the 2.3mil gang on ST. Its nowhere near close to a lot of other specs. 😄
pastel roost
Like 300k behind
Reasonable argument ? in this economy ?
indigo mulch
I mean alot of specs are simming around 2.7mil so being at 2.3 is quite the jump to go :p
haughty flicker
a lot of specs can suck my balls
pastel roost
Wasn't assa low tier on sims chart with amridrassil raid and still was a great spec in logs ?
or am i tripping
dawn condor
because ST isnt everything
royal lantern
Wasn't assa low tier on sims chart with amridrassil raid and still was a great s...
almost as if sim dps is not a great thing to meassure stuff on
runic hinge
royal lantern
if sim dps would be the #1 thing, outlaw would always be the #1 rogue spec
indigo mulch
I mean amridrassil had so many fights where assassination could just use cuastic on. And sims and raid bosses are very different as tryan is saying 😄
runic hinge
The fotms
midnight mist
@balmy condor this pin is unprofessional, I expect better from the leader of the assassination community,
please in the future avoid these type of things
maiden sierra
to help explain the new assassination buffs to everyone, i did some simple math so that everyone is on the same page:
The new damage after applying the buff is:
D ′ = D×(1+0.04) = D×1.04
To find the percentage increase in damage:
Increase=(D ′ - D / D)×100 = ( D × 1.04 − D / D) × 100 = ( D (D×1.04−1) / D ) × 100 = (0.04) × 100 = 4%
Thus, a 4% multiplicative buff is exactly a 4% increase in damage.
thank you for understanding.
royal lantern
sim dps is only really telling if something is a extreme edge case
pastel roost
almost as if sim dps is not a great thing to meassure stuff on
( just putting there that that was my point as well :p)
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> this pin is unprofessional, I expect better from the leade...
slurp on my chocolat chaud buddy
balmy condor
no
balmy condor
I'm just fluent in oui oui
balmy condor
trilingual
midnight mist
next pin is in french
balmy condor
(not french)
midnight mist
confirmed
maiden sierra
french isint a language?
midnight mist
Arent most people billingual tho?
not americans no
ashen scroll
Nor canadians
balmy condor
americans are bilingual in english and dumbass
ashen scroll
Only 1 province is bilingual
indigo mulch
I mean i speak 3 languages fluently i think most europeans speak atleast 2 languages.
indigo mulch
No.
midnight mist
I mean i speak 3 languages fluently i think most europeans speak atleast 2 langu...
you arent american then right
maiden sierra
if you dont speak at least 4 languages then your privledge is showing, real immigrant homies are fluent in at least 4 ways to shit talk a local
indigo mulch
ikr
runic hinge
I don’t even speak one language
indigo mulch
you arent american then right
I wish i was, i heard its great over in america now.
balmy condor
if you dont speak at least 4 languages then your privledge is showing, real immi...
if I can't call a minority a slur in their native tongue, is it even worth getting out of bed in the morning?
bright turret
Does the dev know something we don't? 4% seems awfully anemic
slate crown
Can I get a tldr on the 4% buff
Ok so take a number, let's say 100.
Now make it 104.
That's it that's the tweet
soft surge
is it true blizzard are gunna stay late on a friday night and tune asssa
maiden sierra
if I can't call a minority a slur in their native tongue, is it even worth getti...
this honestly
dapper cradle
Ok so take a number, let's say 100.
Now make it 104.
That's it that's the tw...
Sims available?
maiden sierra
indigo mulch
balmy condor
https://tenor.com/view/azumanga-daioh-tomo-takino-tomo-azumanga-poland-polish-gi...
@wild lantern
soft surge
i dont needa learn that aweful sub rogue
slate crown
Sims available?
Yeah hold your windows key and press s, then type "calc" and press enter
theres the sim
dapper cradle
Any good vods for this?
haughty flicker
wtf i was told it was 4%
slate crown
wtf i was told it was 4%
skill issue
runic hinge
Skill issue
wild lantern
<@189169390397292544>
ping
sin channel
yep it's cursed
balmy condor
wtf i was told it was 4%
fun fact, the first time I simmed the 4% buff I got back a 5% increase 
bit of a whoopsie poopsie
runic hinge
Perfect
balmy condor
> ping
> sin channel
yep it's cursed
maiden sierra
https://tenor.com/view/poland-limbo-gif-9190461139209305152
soft surge
aaa
maiden sierra
this reminded me of a joke.
how do you know if someone is polish?
they will tell you.
soft surge
how to remove sub branding
waxen oyster
what was sub even simming
indigo mulch
Around 2.5mil i believe.
waxen oyster
I guess the creatures called m+ players are back to this spec.
balmy condor
I'm to busy hunting monsters in wilds.
I'm the monster, and I'm hunting wilds
indigo mulch
My orange cat is named trump.
indigo mulch
balmy condor
in grade school my friend had an orange cat named watermelon
indigo mulch
waxen oyster
I probably wasnt going to send sub in raid week 1
because i only have a normal transmitter
:)))
vapid terrace
I had a cat named Richard, she was a great cat.
lusty narwhal
in grade school my friend had an orange cat named watermelon
My mate had a cat named David
Incredible
balmy condor
My mate had a cat named David
quake has a dog named george
soft surge
aaa
lusty narwhal
I love pet names that just dont work as pet named
balmy condor
and you give em a white ass name
maiden sierra
my cat is called klakier, even though hes a tuxedo and not orange
lusty narwhal
John the cat
balmy condor
you're telling me there's a creature that'll respond to you if you call it "shit tickler"
and you named it John
haughty flicker
well thats the thing
balmy condor
what a boring and miserable life you must live
haughty flicker
you call the cat shit tickler regardless of what its name is
thorn fjord
4% dmg buff boiz we are so back
haughty flicker
my cats are named loki and sprite but they respond to asshole mainly
thorn fjord
balmy condor
that's unlucky
balmy condor
I saw it but my brain wasn't fast enough so I just tabbed into mod channel and read it from there
maiden sierra
my message getting filtered 
waxen oyster
God I love this soundboard
thorn fjord
Poop fiddler
waxen oyster
of gromnak saying “m+ers infesting my raid”
cunning oxide
sub is dooming is sin throwing a party?
waxen oyster
No this is a mage hate party
runic hinge
4% dmg buff boiz we are so back
Never left
royal lantern
quake has a dog named george
i will not accept george slander
george is perfect in every way
final star
quake has a dog named george
you cannot shit talk my boy George like that wtf
slim hamlet
Not even playing the game for a few seasons but watching Whispyr's pins evolve every patch is magnificent
royal lantern
https://clips.twitch.tv/ColorfulCuteKeyboardOSsloth-c1jrBiFcA53dV5sa
the video is great because he just speaks from his soul
sees a boomkin->must tell everyone how much he hates them
maiden sierra
the video is great because he just speaks from his soul
reminds me of a recent max video on the community tier list, where he has a moment where he has to tell everyone his hate for hunters
haughty flicker
his tier list has some bangers sometimes
the feral rep coming on and flaming ret was hilarious
a couple lists ago
or this time around when wordup messaged max to call critcake a pussy for moving arms out of 5 BIG BANGS
granite sentinel
is assa better than sub now
soft surge
@midnight mist can you add a loud af obnoxious bing bong sound to ur WA triggering when to dry shiv
haughty flicker
bro you just press it
maiden sierra
i remember last time whispyr talked on his stream and his chat ripped into him for yappin too much, meanwhile in the current tier list the hunter guy spoke for 16 minutes straight
midnight mist
<@352916297262301194> can you add a loud af obnoxious bing bong sound to ur WA t...
i dont do weak auras for noobs
sorry
celest helm
anywhere we can find the last raid testing logs?
wispy viper
is assa better than sub now
Bro whysper gonna kill you dead askin this shit
soft surge
i really need the bing bong sounds
fallow canopy
is assa better than sub now
we are better at having the longest name for sure
soft surge
do outlaw really be chillin with that shotgun sound every time pistol shot procs?
runic hinge
sin very hard
You’re so right bestie
midnight mist
do outlaw really be chillin with that shotgun sound every time pistol shot procs...
wdym
midnight mist
ye
soft surge
pistol shot procs a fair bit
midnight mist
very immersive
i hjave had it for so long now
and i put it in the effects sounds
tight sparrow
is assa better than sub now
yes
balmy condor
i remember last time whispyr talked on his stream and his chat ripped into him f...
This happens every time btw
balmy condor
There was a stream where I was on for 7 minutes to talk about all 3 specs
midnight mist
one of my oldest macros <@352916297262301194>
thats good
balmy condor
And bm hunter alone had 15 min
midnight mist
you can bang bang bang bang now
onyx gyro
instead of learning a whole new spec i just gotta learn to dry shiv
What is dry shiv?
tepid charm
one of my oldest macros <@352916297262301194>
i appreciate that you didn't #showtooltip and instead spent 7 hours scrolling through the macro interface to find the icon
tepid charm
What is dry shiv?
opposite of wet shiv (u just took it out of the dish washer)
median citrus
And bm hunter alone had 15 min
Lmfao wtf
soft surge
What is dry shiv?
some kinda insertion without prelube or something
waxen oyster
isnt dry shiv just pressing shiv once with lingering on a darkest night proc
balmy condor
Lmfao wtf
Rogue is always at the end of the tier list chats he does and he’s always running out of time
He opens stream and goes “I have 3 hours” and then spends an hour on just mage hunter and shaman
onyx gyro
Can I get a serious response to what dry shiv is? Thanks
balmy condor
Just ADHD things
balmy condor
Can I get a serious response to what dry shiv is? Thanks
Read pins
median citrus
That's crazy
soft surge
whys it reffered as dry
novel dragon
Can I get a serious response to what dry shiv is? Thanks
shiv outside of CD window like KB and Deathmark
soft surge
serious Q
runic hinge
Rogue is also low play rate so the 100x population of ret pallies don’t wanna hear about it
haughty flicker
whys it reffered as dry
because it isnt inside cds
midnight mist
<@167090536602140682> whats the prediction on when siren isle ring is nerfed
5.6 days
waxen oyster
after rwf
final star
I'm gonna call it natty shiv
final star
midnight mist
natty shiv is boring
final star
ur french
arctic tusk
lets nerf transmitter as well
midnight mist
im rawdogging the shiv
runic hinge
I’m gonna call it darkest shiv
arctic tusk
so i dont use it when im clearing full raid!
haughty flicker
im gonna call it shiv dn
arctic tusk
that sounds horrible
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> whats the prediction on when siren isle ring is nerfed
Thursday at 2:17pm pacific
midnight mist
shiv in my asshole please
runic hinge
soft surge
dry shiv and what zacro just said could get us put on a list
median citrus
Ayo
mortal badger
huh
mighty vine
santas naughty list
hoary remnant
# Buffs and nerfs
+3.7% in Single target
+3.8% in Dungeons
Circlet changes don’t...
so sin tier?
😄
hollow river
midnight mist
its obviously an outlaw tier
bro
you guys are so lost
outlaw is insta + 200 world rank btw
if you are world 200 rn
soft surge
would be good tbh, did all the new zone shit in outlaw spec. fun
runic hinge
Outlaw sims for the most of the 3 specs. Must be OL tier
balmy condor
its obviously an outlaw tier
This makes sense because I heard people saying that it’s melee unfriendly but outlaw has gun so it’s gonna be fine is this true
waxen oyster
ima be real i always do world content in outlaw
because rogue fucking sucks at world content
midnight mist
Liquid is running 5 outlaw this tier bt w
juyst saying
you guys dont know but i know
hoary remnant
This makes sense because I heard people saying that it’s melee unfriendly but ou...
melee unfriendly means we are all bench no matter what spec. 😄
median citrus
5 12 inch sub
midnight mist
melee unfriendly means we are all bench no matter what spec. 😄
no because outlaw has acro so its not really that melee
and
hoary remnant
I think Outlaw needs Arobatic Strikes to be meta again
lean plover
To be fun*
burnt star
True. Outlaw got buff and wasnt touched
Still sims ahead of both sub/sin. Aka. OL tier
lethal onyx
burnt star
Zac called it
haughty flicker
when i play outlaw and do bottom dps and my raid leader starts talking shit im gonna link sims
balmy condor
Everyone worrying about numbers a week ahead of raid release knowing that blizzard will emergency hotfix in 75 tuning changes on Monday night and the vast majority of the people freaking out won’t get aotc week 1 anyway
hidden bay
Just play Whatever you feel like playing,those numbers wont matter for the people in here unless you raid top tier 
hoary remnant
Everyone worrying about numbers a week ahead of raid release knowing that blizza...
This detailsmeter of the future raid is all that matter for everyone
median citrus
Real asf
hoary remnant
Assa needs another 10% aura buff and kingsbane go up to 100 stacks
midnight mist
This detailsmeter of the future raid is all that matter for everyone
you have the wrong one
this is the good one
balmy condor
This detailsmeter of the future raid is all that matter for everyone
These numbers are so fucked lmao
What dumbass made this
median citrus
Hunters too low
haughty flicker
why did they call it deva evoker instead of dev evoker
balmy condor
Is this the mythical izen sheet
haughty flicker
wtf is wrong with people
hoary remnant
These numbers are so fucked lmao
I know but didnt update details yet.
midnight mist
slow update rate ?
hoary remnant
Is this the mythical izen sheet
Better its the one from the GM of Cursed Gifts
balmy condor
Forget slow update rate, assa number wasn’t even accurate a month ago
balmy condor
Better its the one from the GM of Cursed Gifts
Fucking who?
hoary remnant
Fucking who?
its more an eu thing I guess
lethal onyx
W
O
midnight mist
who
hoary remnant
has stuff like this in it
balmy condor
Gm of a random WR150 guild that does 0 theorycrafting and knows how to copy paste into advanced on mimiron
Incredible work
mortal badger
the guy who paywalls the sheet ? 
hoary remnant
the guy who paywalls the sheet ? <:omegalul:585734084777476096>
I mean you just need the link
its not like rocket science
hollow river
Gm of a random WR150 guild that does 0 theorycrafting and knows how to copy past...
250 
mortal badger
he changes links pretty often i heard
hidden bay
Gm of a random WR150 guild that does 0 theorycrafting and knows how to copy past...
giga jelly
mortal badger
when they get leaked
midnight mist
250 <a:PepeLaugh2:623786602040393729>
450 next tier i heard
mortal badger
lethal onyx
comparing classes to eachother is some psycho behaviour when different classes have different tc knowledge etc its just not a thing
midnight mist
cause they dont have an outlaw rogue
balmy condor
250 <a:PepeLaugh2:623786602040393729>
No shot
balmy condor
Has simming become too accessible that people are just able to do this absolute nonsense
lethal onyx
i mean seems like it tbh
median citrus
100 percent ^
indigo mulch
Is this the mythical izen sheet
LMAO izen. I love that guy.
midnight mist
Has simming become too accessible that people are just able to do this absolute ...
simming is for noobs nowadays
you will get replaced by ai soon bozo
balmy condor
Like I’m glad we can sim our characters and whatever but should everyone have car keys even if they’ve shown that they don’t have a license and will wrap the car around a telephone pole the moment you stop looking
hidden bay
higher ilvl = better item, its too obvious guys
indigo mulch
Every tier he makes these tier lists and sits there for 10min comparing them and preaching the sim numbers as gods work.
hoary remnant
you will get replaced by ai soon bozo
Outlaw Tier is when AI will take over
balmy condor
Every tier he makes these tier lists and sits there for 10min comparing them and...
Yeah even though he’s banned from a good 2/3rds of class discords at this point for misinformation spewing or self promoting his nonsense sheet
hoary remnant
higher ilvl = better item, its too obvious guys
yes thats why on ptr S2 Tier gear is 730 Itemlevel
balmy condor
And now needs to find henchmen and alt discord accounts to find sims from actual TCs
hoary remnant
Yeah even though he’s banned from a good 2/3rds of class discords at this point ...
Who now Izen?
balmy condor
Yeah
mental trout
lmao holy shit, the lore here is gold
hoary remnant
I mean his sheet is actually pepega ngl he also presents this as be all end all. The other sheet I send you it actually has a big disclaimer to take everything with a grain of salt
balmy condor
Yeah don’t care
mighty rapids
This is gonna sound like a noob question thats prolly been asked 1000 times but whats made the perception of the class/spec so weak going into this tier? I felt we were in a great place in palace already
balmy condor
You can put a sign on a pile of shit saying it’s a pile of shit
But it’s still a pile of shit
mental trout
spittin facts
balmy condor
Warning: do not read the bullshit I put in this spreadsheet!!!
With that being said, here’s the spreadsheet full of bullshit
hoary remnant
This is gonna sound like a noob question thats prolly been asked 1000 times but ...
For real the answer depends heavly on the actual boss encounter your playing and the current tuning. 95% even at HoF Raiding level you can bring class buffs + best players on w/e dps spec and you will be fine.
balmy condor
This is gonna sound like a noob question thats prolly been asked 1000 times but ...
People dooming over sim numbers and tier being weak (it got buffed and is okay now)
mighty rapids
Ah figured it was prolly tier related
balmy condor
Humans are very simple creatures and if you have a thing that says “2” and then some other class says “3”, we’re not playing wow anymore, we’re playing doom eternal
Cause 3 bigger than 2
And how could that be
Everything awful now
Number bigger than my number
haughty flicker
is assa better than sub now
waxen oyster
Now if only blizz let me upgrade
waxen oyster
my final week skardyn
waxen oyster
Real
i probably wasnt gonna play sub anyway since, normal transmitter
nice maymay
haughty flicker
now that i dont have to owlweave maybe i gear my drood
as my alt
feral looks pretty fun
waxen oyster
Like something rubs me the wrong way about the fact ill get perma mogged
wispy viper
i was gonna play sin no matter what cuz i do not understand subtley and am lazy
waxen oyster
by people with real ilvl transmitters
waxen oyster
I mean sin design wise is usually good for raid
tawdry halo
Real life W
distant crow
kek
balmy condor
i was gonna play sin no matter what cuz i do not understand subtley and am lazy
based
tawdry halo
I’ve decided I’m on the caustic spatter hate bandwagon
Probably the reason blizzard can’t figure out how to buff our m+ single target
Without making us aoe gods
hoary remnant
Probably the reason blizzard can’t figure out how to buff our m+ single target
the issue is st because overall sin is really topping imo in m+ even in S2
runic hinge
Buff rupture
tawdry halo
Without also ramping up the AOE of our AOE spec?
crude helm
more envenom damage!!!!!
haughty flicker
buff ct so we use it in st
also wasnt there whispyrs of ct being near usable in st before anyway
haughty flicker
i sense a diversion
runic hinge
If you buff rupture you probably still don’t spread too much beyond 5 for scent in aoe and it can buff ST but a lot
Even more if you make IB do more than 1.5%
fast mural
Just buff envenom or change the fuxkjng tree
runic hinge
Buffing envenom still buffs aoe
tawdry halo
Just buff envenom or change the fuxkjng tree
Directly correlates to caustic damage
Then we reach our final form
tawdry halo
Envenom the spec 2: electric boogaloo
haughty flicker
i want to see whispyr lose his mind
fast mural
Xd
royal lantern
Better its the one from the GM of Cursed Gifts
OH HELL NO
didnt even want caps there
but it fits lol
west vortex
It’s written in Australia
karmic breach
Can u link sheet
fast mural
It would be nice a talent what convert potion of crit to poison st
I hope that spread to be wrong
fast mural
Otherwise I am jumping from
Window
celest helm
link that
haughty flicker
link this 
celest helm
link this <:PantsGrab:1080303342422610071>
humble verge
well
i guess people here atleast answer my stupid questions
cause #subtlety might be too stupid to answer me
or maybe im just ignored
final star
You're ignored
agile swan
So Outlaw will be the better spec this season?
celest helm
rogue is deadge i know so cuz my dads a blizz gm
just got back from the future and they told me all rogue specs will be dead
fast mural
I dont think you need to the future to notice that
celest helm
4% aura buff saves assa rogue surely 😄
arctic tusk
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
split veldt
been playing rogue like a trashcan since vanilla, cant stop now
agile swan
I really dont know which spec should i pick, honestly.
balmy condor
the fun one
haughty flicker
I really dont know which spec should i pick, honestly.
what are your options
storm forum
the fun one with daggers
haughty flicker
i got u
haughty flicker
I really dont know which spec should i pick, honestly.
gilded oasis
EZ
mortal badger
as long as it's not outlul
static glacier
# Buffs and nerfs
+3.7% in Single target
+3.8% in Dungeons
Circlet changes don’t...
@balmy condor is assa better than booba?
oak eagle
@balmy condor are we still using Eye of Kezan even after the nerfs it got yesterday?
balmy condor
yes
static glacier
yes lmao
oak eagle
Wasn't sure
balmy condor
wowhead trinket page is updated
tldr is nothing really changed
but now everything sucks
instead of just most of it
agile swan
I always player double spec. I used Subtlety on raids, and Outlaw on Mythic+. But i bored to be busy bot of them, so i wanna pick the best, for Raid and Mythic+
oak eagle
Thought maybe we switch to the Priory trinket (eye of kezan is the on use, right?)
balmy condor
np
wind totem
I have a what might be a stupid question. How does a 4% aura buff correlate to 3.7% ST dmg increase?
balmy condor
doesn't buff melee hits
wind totem
ah
balmy condor
and doesn't buff trinkets
nova aspen
ability damage is not all damage
wind totem
yeah makes sense.
balmy condor
all non-rogue stuff
spice surge
Some of the damage you do is from autoattacks, trinkets or other effects like the ansurek ring
neat shell
Where can i find this
oak eagle
prob
humble verge
just had to check but ye ig
nova aspen
balmy condor
I also can't read
runic hinge
Whisp gonna craft with zero missives again so you stop asking about stats
oak eagle
neither can i
humble verge
im blind
balmy condor
hello whispyr how are you today
sorry what
oak eagle
im deaf
balmy condor
idk what that says
gray raven
Aura buff still means our single target is kinda cheeks right?
oak eagle
will always be cheeks
balmy condor
is it... not obvious
balmy condor
Roaring War-Queen’s Citrine chance to trigger has been reduced slightly.
Legendary Skipper’s Citrine no longer triggers Roaring War-Queen’s Citrine effect.
balmy condor
means legendary skipper just got fucking nuked
haughty flicker
windsingers it is
haughty flicker
how does this even happen
or is it just a joke going over my head and they always intended it
humble verge
idk
i just went to trade post
and saw chest
5 tender cool
didnt think more of it icl
haughty flicker
yeah i randomly got 5 tendies yesterday, i didnt realize that was why lmao
humble verge
now you know
balmy condor
must resist the urge to post this out of context in outlaw
and watch the dentheads melt down
balmy condor
no, I cannot
humble verge
YES
balmy condor
it's too evil
humble verge
YOURE THE VALID PERSON
willow cloud
I missed the SoD when I read it
gray hazel
Kinda nice seeing all this tuning so quick
runic hinge
means legendary skipper just got fucking nuked
We still use ring?
balmy condor
yeah
pure moth
must resist the urge to post this out of context in outlaw
Ill do it
haughty flicker
too late
pure moth
Lol
grave osprey
Long live the ASSA!
humble verge
wait, are we still behind sub in ST raid?
gray hazel
Is sub that much easier to play? Wasn’t assassination considered the easiest to play of the specs?
spice surge
humble verge
Is sub that much easier to play? Wasn’t assassination considered the easiest to ...
i feel theres too many buttons to click
maybe its just me
maiden sierra
man cant blizz just nuke one of the best classes or smth in the patch notes 3 days before the raid so that we can see all the flavor of the month rerollers roll in their grave
lime otter
If you think ass has a lot of buttons wait til sub
lime otter
Oh my bad
humble verge
no worries
spice surge
Idk they have the same amount of binds
maiden sierra
sub has 3 buttons and 1 macro with 7 buttons
solar wyvern
If you think sub has a lot of buttons to press wait till you try typeracer
spice surge
if you dont macro tea assa even has more
humble verge
sub has 3 buttons and 1 macro with 7 buttons
wtf :D
final star
I also have the same amount of binds
balmy condor
They nerfed circlet
yeah but they didn't even nerf the thing that makes me stop playing it
lime otter
if you dont macro tea assa even has more
Imagine not macroing tea
spice surge
slate crown
Imagine not macroing tea
I don't have to imagine it 
final star
sweet hemlock
what should we toss in instead of skipper?
maiden sierra
what should we toss in instead of skipper?
Windsinger's Runed Citrine
sweet hemlock
thanks gang
spice surge
Its based of the stat value
humble verge
maybe im wrong
spice surge
Not percentages
humble verge
ah ja
spice surge
But it also doesnt matter
silk sundial
Does mastery have a dr? I just do what the Sims say. They tell me to stack mastery
haughty flicker
humble verge
yes
maiden sierra
people seem to not use addons huh
haughty flicker
drs are fake
spice surge
Yes just follow the sim
soft surge
yea thats the addon i had
soft surge
i thought i was close to cap
well i was capping according to the addon with flask and shit
silk sundial
I'd have to look at what I'm at again, but it's like 60-65% mastery
spice surge
That addon does nothing that sims arent doing already
maiden sierra
That addon does nothing that sims arent doing already
correct, the point was not to guide people to how much stat to stack, but to show how much dr you have as people asked if there even is dr
soft surge
so then we have dr, we gem vers haste?
so early on in the expac dring stats is weird idk
humble verge
idk
we've had a lot of really high differences in stat weights on items
esp like the crit ring from queen
the crit neck AND haste neck from rasha
vers neck from court
idk
just some examples
humble verge
real
silk sundial
What's nice about sin is sure. It may prefer mastery and crit but only by a little. All of the stats are pretty close
humble verge
idk
i had at some point like
21k mastery 12k crit lmao
then i got the queen ring
cedar elm
uHM gUys is assA better than SUB now?
humble verge
the difference between siege and queen ring
west vortex
uHM gUys is assA better than SUB now?
west vortex
enjoy ur KS deaths nerd
humble verge
say whut now
west vortex
killing spree is meta, idk if they fixed it but if you used it at wrong time and went back to a bad location ur dead
humble verge
oh killing spree
cedar elm
idk how to get it off outlaw
humble verge
man
i remember that shit
cause
i fucking hear it every time on queen
was thinking "what the fuck is the web's sound"
and then it struck me
royal lantern
it says twinks, so it fits in here 100%
runic hinge
Mini muffins in S is also wack as hell
runic hinge
you can touch my ding dong with your C tier
balmy condor
I'm ngl I haven't had legit any of these in my life
I looked at a box of ding dongs in the store like 9 years ago and almost had a stroke
runic hinge
Reminds me of chick peas
coral ibex
<#316923898501529600> found the new S2 tier list
whoever concocted this cooked absolutely nothing
brave comet
So why should i continue playing assassination over sub?
coral ibex
hostess fruit pies and cupcakes are insane
balmy condor
where update
update:
wear windsinger instead, numbers stay roughly the same
hope it helps
humble verge
whoever concocted this cooked absolutely nothing
you can go tell it himself
agile swan
So why should i continue playing assassination over sub?
I would ask the same question
runic hinge
Play what you think will be better in 3 months
agile swan
I dont wanna wait that much
runic hinge
You’re supposed to guess. Not wait.
agile swan
Okay
haughty flicker
i thought we already settled on sin
runic hinge
I mean it’s settled for me
haughty flicker
i spun a wheel and everything
runic hinge
I don’t wanna guess for anyone else
hollow river
runic hinge
Do a best of 10 with all 3 specs
haughty flicker
agile swan
And what will u play, if u are settled
runic hinge
Assa. Always and forever. Except for like the last 6 weeks of a patch where I think I’ll be a spriest main.
haughty flicker
And what will u play, if u are settled
i suck at everything else so sin
maybe some sub to practice but for actual prog probably sin
lament bolt
i suck at everything else so sin
Pretty much. I'm shit at sub and hate outlaw, so I'll keep with the spec I've been comfortable with since the beginning basically
split grail
Question about the pins: The wowhead guide says to use different crafted items and embellishments than the pin. Gratned the pin is like 2 weeks old. I assume the wowhead is correct as its more up to date?
agile swan
I always played Subtlety on raid, and Outlaw on Mythic+. But i dont want to play double spec anymore, this is why i wanna pick the best for the two content............
It was the last time when i raided
Soooooo
Im a nooby in war within now
haughty flicker
i dont say this as flame, but at your level it genuinely does not matter which spec is "best"
it doesnt matter at my level either
or for 99% of the players of this game
buoyant herald
Or mine o7
haughty flicker
you could pick whichever one and be perfectly fine
i do get the desire for optimization
runic hinge
What matters is having fun and trying to kill your guild leader with mechanics
haughty flicker
i fall for that shit all the time in other games
but in the end it really does not matter
buoyant herald
I don’t think any of the specs will be tragic in raid, maaaaaaybe outlaw might feel bad in m+ depending who you’re playing with
If you’re looking to get instant invites in m+ then you’ve already blundered by not playing healer or tank
haughty flicker
yeah pugging m+ is going to be ass no matter which spec you pick
runic hinge
Ass you say?
haughty flicker
humble verge
Ass you say?
WE ARE ALL ASS AT THE GAME
scarlet cliff
lament bolt
Yep. The community I'm currently in reliably gets AotC and gets a fair ways into mythic by the end of it. They trust me enough to help call things out when our narrator isn't around. I can passably play sin in my sleep out of familiarity. I love this channel and Whispyr's work to show me how to optimize my sleep playing while raid leader brain is watching everyone else more than me
haughty flicker
https://tenor.com/view/anthony-adams-rubbing-hands-together-spice-adams-vyd3n-me...
i have never in my life seen this much of this gif
humble verge
yeah pugging m+ is going to be ass no matter which spec you pick
i can stand behind this, as an avid LFG queue simulation enjoyer, it was bigger than my own ass' ass
gloomy epoch
Is it still worth to have the Legendary Skipper Citrine equpped in the ring? Or shouild I just swap it for the stats?
haughty flicker
well it just got hotfix nerfed so swap to windsinger
agile swan
i dont say this as flame, but at your level it genuinely does not matter which s...
I dont say this as flame too, but i can decide myself what is important to me, or not. So its matter for me, son. 😄
humble verge
im probably just gonna spend some time boosting this tier
get gold
and then do something else instead of que sim again
cause holy shit
coral ibex
my guild is going 2 -> 3 days and apparently the roster is upgraded from last tier
agile swan
wait 3 weeks for tuning to settle and decide then i guess
Fair point, must say
coral ibex
they're saying aim for HOF but 
humble verge
rofl
hof
aiai
honestly i believe were 28 now in the raid group
im the only rogue for now? or idk
so i think my spot is atleast settled
earnest remnant
hof is meme teritory now that its top 200
runic hinge
My whole life is meme territory
humble verge
also how you can still get hof the extra reset after its full
coral ibex
im the 2nd rogue
humble verge
but youre not "officially" the top 200 hof
there was a 1st rogue
but he left on court
so i got poached from my former guild
and now im 1st i hope
glad i didnt need to prog on court
haughty flicker
haughty flicker
i cant im not a 99 logger
haughty flicker
this is the sub channel 😉
uh
burnt juniper
omfg
haughty flicker
whos gonna tell you
burnt juniper
i was checking out what builds you guys are running next tier
hollow river
many a 99/100 have been gotten using the macro
tea isn't as big of an optimization as you'd think
runic hinge
It’s because it’s a .2% difference between manually pressing tea and not. So it’s not worth the brain power
balmy condor
It’s because it’s a .2% difference between manually pressing tea and not. So it’...
that's wrong, it's 0
runic hinge
Oh
balmy condor
it was 0.2 before I removed it from sims
humble verge
unironically
balmy condor
wdym how is it 0
the line was re-evaluated as part of 11.1 updates and shown to not provide value
runic hinge
.2 is within margin
balmy condor
even at the highest levels 0.2 is not really anything to lose brainpower over
sharp atlas
i am using my teas almost always off cd
mana tea isn't always on CD from being energy starved? just me? (idk what im doing)
humble verge
mana tea isn't always on CD from being energy starved? just me? (idk what im doi...
yes
balmy condor
I mean yeah but if something is 0.2 and you do it wrong and now it's -0.3 then what's the fucking point
balmy condor
also who told you to to tea last 6 of KB
humble verge
cause im wondering
balmy condor
is this 10.2
humble verge
is KB supposed to run out before shiv or not
maybe ive done it wrong this whole time
😱
balmy condor
💀
okay but if your kingsbane is already max stacked with 7 seconds left when you press your second shiv
agile swan
Guys im lost now. Dont fuckin now what the fck are u talking about. Soooo should i use shiv last 6sec of KB or not?
balmy condor
what's the difference between tea with your shiv with 7 left
and manual tea with 6 left
on non dm kb's youd want the tea at the start anyway just for the energy since those kbs aren't even worth their weight in shit
what other scenario
hollow river
Guys im lost now. Dont fuckin now what the fck are u talking about. Soooo should...
no
balmy condor
it's a comfort thing to press a button instead of just letting a macro cast it for no difference in dps?
haughty flicker
thats like saying the cold blood sectec macro was a bad thing back when it was used
balmy condor
I don't get it
runic hinge
People are obsessed over mastery on tea like it’s impactful
balmy condor
burnt juniper
because now it isnt optimal
can still use it, just need to have seperate sectec and sectec w/ CB macro buttons 😉
haughty flicker
also true
frozen glacier
haughty flicker
sharp atlas
question about bleed build vs hybrid for M+, is there a general key level in which the bleed build falls off in comparrison due to the lacking ST and general higher HP pools cutting the sudden demise value?
humble verge
you wanna do bleed builds on the quickest of quickest keys
so like 9 and under
where you dont have double big affixes
tyra and nothing, or forti and nothing
double just makes it meh
you can probbaly do it on 10 now
sharp atlas
heard didn't know if it was like the vault filler build or if you'd still just rock hybrid
humble verge
since they have retuned most of the keys now as its around ~4 key levels under what it was
humble verge
heard didn't know if it was like the vault filler build or if you'd still just r...
oh you can still rock hybrid but it just makes it go faster with bleedmaxxing
esp if youre were keyfishing in +2s this season
everything dies so quickly and it heals my soul
fast mural
lol we are not even a+
humble verge
as long as it has dots and SD kills it fast enough
humble verge
lol we are not even a+
i dont listen to the americans :3
fast mural
r1 americans 😛
thorny notch
we suck
fast mural
aha i would love to get buffed for sure
thorny notch
sadge after doing some keys
fast mural
sad reality
fast mural
if my grapnda had rollers he would fly :p
fast mural
yea where is d1 df
sharp atlas
oh you can still rock hybrid but it just makes it go faster with bleedmaxxing
i see thankyou, will probably start the season on hybrid anyway as im still learning the spec but will definitely give bleed some attempts as im helping gear alts etc
balmy condor
new yoda tier list has hit the tower (SURELY THIS IS REAL)
holy shit yoda has said something accurate
that's crazy
broken clock type shit
fast mural
well i just wanted to be competive
humble verge
holy shit yoda has said something accurate
streamers being accurate on SOMETHING? nowaaaaay
humble verge
well i just wanted to be competive
then you better sit the fuck back and wait
balmy condor
humble verge
im just reposting these lists for the funsies
im not even expecting assa to be up there
balmy condor
I mean if you wanna be competitive play anything idk
humble verge
considering how good we've been this tier