assassination

[dawn seal]

wiped everyone on angel form

[spice spire]

Dog ain’t no way

[thorn thorn]

You look like you are having a great time

[fallow canopy]

lmao

[ember mural]

bruh no shot

[spice spire]

200 pulls in

Man says

“Have I been going to the wrong side every time”

And no one NOTICED

[thorn thorn]

[fallow canopy]

I'd keep that shit til the day I'm dead

[dawn seal]

"can I get a hammer"

looks like whispyr need a hammer to bonk the person

[thorn thorn]

Bro is cataclysmically based

Imagine 200 pulls in and just casually admitting that

Even if it was a lie

10/10

[dawn seal]

LMAO

HAHAHA

I love everyone in here

u guys are so fun

[royal lantern]

that sums up mythic raiding

[runic hinge]

Does this include platforms too? Is that why when I watched the other day someone was like why do we only have one monk healer over here

[balmy condor]

that is p2 platforms that they're talking about yeh

[novel star]

wats this new whispyr nickname all about

[potent lance]

[runic hinge]

[thorn thorn]

#assassination message

[shy pecan]

I saw a sus streamer post this build. Looked decent:

[pastel cradle]

damn just timed first 12. db seems to be the easiest out of all since mechanics arent as complicated.

[amber fossil]

are talent builds on wowhead up to date? Raid-Cleave is same as Raid-Council. What happened to CT?

[crimson ocean]

is ring still going to be bis going into S2?

[thorn thorn]

Surely no Kb builds arent a thing

[runic hinge]

This is just my PvP build

[balmy condor]

guys haven't done keys in a while does this breakdown look good

[jaunty sky]

In 200 pulls no one noticed there was someone consistently out of place? God damn

[thorn thorn]

Where KB

[balmy condor]

not talented

[cerulean walrus]

That's my guide writer!

[thorn thorn]

Why tho

[balmy condor]

needed points for vicious venoms

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah its the new tech

[thorn thorn]

Are you memeing

[cerulean walrus]

No

[balmy condor]

no

where else am I getting the points bro

[runic hinge]

Three mutilates

[thorn thorn]

What is viscious venom

[balmy condor]

vicious*

[cerulean walrus]

Goated talent

[shy pecan]

LMGTFY

[cerulean walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-react-this-user-pregnant-man-gif-7314513712895381143

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-gif-27442765

[spice surge]

Id just recommend the full on sudden demise maxxing build if you want a meme build for lower/weekly keys

[thorn thorn]

Mfw KB so ass it got replaced

[spice surge]

Having mobs just get deleted by demise is fun

[dawn heath]

is it turbo scuffed to play sub with mostly assa gear?

i might have to learn to play sub for just one boss in particular ir eally dont want to but we keep wiping in necrotic wake to last 2 bosses

i might need to learn the spec

really dont want to

[thorn thorn]

How would being sub help with that?

[dawn heath]

it does way more burst damage

[thorn thorn]

Real

[chilly tusk]

Hi

[thorn thorn]

Probably ask the people in #subtlety then?

[chilly tusk]

Can i use two crafted daggers ?

I crafted this Everforged Stabber 619

I want go craft the other 636

[spice surge]

Also sub is really good on last boss necrotic whereas assa is horrid

[chilly tusk]

Will i be able to equip both?

[spice surge]

Unironically sub does like 60%+ more damage to this boss than assa does

[spice surge]

Yes

Only limit is 2 embellishments, but if they dont have any embellishments then you can have multiple

[chilly tusk]

Ty ❤️

[thorn thorn]

I am curious why this is

Is it just the whole being sent down thing

[spice surge]

Because assa has to hold darkest night

Or vanish when you get sent down

And you still struggle down there

[thorn thorn]

mmm

Makes sense

[spice surge]

Also if you dont have cleavers youd need to hold darkest nights for shields

[dawn heath]

be me

never loked at the other talent tree

[thorn thorn]

He just like me fr

[spice surge]

Also getting sent down lines up well with 90s cds most of the time

[dawn heath]

ye we use weyrn tho up

but

like

assa fucking stinks on last 2

[thorn thorn]

I thought weyrn still killed you if you went back up with it

[dawn heath]

i was thinking if i could maybe respec to like ST assa bujt that really wont be much better

not if u cloak it

[thorn thorn]

True

[spice surge]

Well ye but honestly not even sure its worth to wyrm up as sub

[thorn thorn]

I was under the impression it was straight up a "you die" thing, I didnt think it could be immuned

[dawn heath]

we bricked

one of our necrotic wakes

we wiped on 1%

and im doing tank damage

on third boss

stitchflesh

[thorn thorn]

Pain

[dawn heath]

like legit awful

tank dies here

we full wipe

[pastel cradle]

damn how high was the key for this?

[dawn heath]

17

assa burst is just not it

[pastel cradle]

here i am struggling with a 12 lol

[thorn thorn]

gotta start somewhere

Oh tank dam with aug too

Rough

[dawn heath]

not really tank damage but

i did less dps than the aug

to the boss

[thorn thorn]

💀

Is that with their reattribution

[dawn heath]

ye

[thorn thorn]

Pain

[pastel cradle]

can you post the detailed dmg that you did in that run?

[dawn heath]

its a very bad duengon to check

cause we use the cleaver

perma combat

dps is lower in overall

than if we didnt use it

[pastel cradle]

gotcha, do you use a hybrid build typically?

[dawn heath]

in siege mist dawn and city yes

otherwise no

[pastel cradle]

good to know, ive been using hybrid for all and as you can imagine i realized its not best for every single one lol

[ornate gust]

Hi, do you have a talent tree for open world PvP and bg ? one that does both, or is it not possible? Do I need to have two separate trees?

[runic hinge]

Ask #pvp

This channel is more for pve

[jolly heath]

2% wipe rip, it just need 1 cleave or 2nd spear to kill it

[ornate gust]

oh ok sorry im new in discord ! ty

[dawn heath]

it was lower

1%

[jolly heath]

I think NW is just about how well you use the cleaver

[dawn heath]

0%

[jolly heath]

Dont really need to change to sub

[runic hinge]

It’s okay! Just trying to help

[dawn heath]

well yea idk maybe

but we keep wiping to these 2 bosses

[runic hinge]

Trickster sub isn’t too bad to play tbh. You could pick it up

[dawn heath]

i have never played the spec

i dont know what the buttons do

would be hard to play in a 17

i was also thinking about respeccing assa ST

but im not sure if that would make any difference

the thing is we had so much time so

in the first run we did

we got to last boss with 9minutes and 20seconds left

and we wiped to the last boss

[jolly heath]

We got to last boss with like 6 minutes, but the crafter was bugged and didn’t teleport, have to waste like 1 minute to bring it back and kill the last boss with less than 4 minutes

So i still think it doesn’t matter

It’s just about the cleaver

[dawn heath]

what level

adn did u play assa?

[jolly heath]

17

[dawn heath]

u didnt respec?

[jolly heath]

No

[dawn heath]

like

our tank

usually dies

when we dont kill it

idk

it it gets hooked twice

he flops

[jolly heath]

You still have 2nd spear, prob use it on 3rd boss instead of last boss

[dawn heath]

like we gfot him this low

after 1 phase

and still we wipe from here xd

cause tank gets double tank buster and just dies

[jolly heath]

Okay then it’s tank issue not assa issue

[dawn heath]

the thing is

we managed to get one hit

from the cleaver on the boss

if we didnt hit the boss

he would jump again

probably

u see its escape in 9s

[dawn heath]

how do u guys do it

weyrnstone on shaman? in start?

he tps up with spellwarding?

[jolly heath]

Wdym, bring the crafter to last boss?

[dawn heath]

who has weyrnstone

on pull

on last boss

[jolly heath]

We dont use it

[dawn heath]

💀

why

that seems dumb

[jolly heath]

Cause sometimes the aug evoker was busy control the crafter

[dawn heath]

ye but

[jolly heath]

Maybe not in position for me to use it

[dawn heath]

that doesnt matter

[jolly heath]

And we dont have problem killing the add

[dawn heath]

just wait 3seconds

then port up

[jolly heath]

I just save vanish

For the add

[dawn heath]

boss takes forever

if u dont use weyrnstone

[jolly heath]

With crafter

[dawn heath]

its risky af

[jolly heath]

It’s not that long

[dawn heath]

eh

its still long

u probably

save 40seconds to a minute

using weyrnstone

[jolly heath]

Like 3m30

Yeah that might be better but we think it’s better to let aug do the crafter correctly

Dont want him to get distracted

And when i come up, it’s line up with cd so not too bad

[dawn heath]

u want to weyrstone the first 2

on shaman and you

with cloak and spellward

but ye ofc u can play it like that

but the issue with playing it "normal" is also that if u are unlucky the aug can get it

and he cant weyrn up or kill it

[jolly heath]

Yeah let him suicide fast

When we cc the add

It happened

[dawn heath]

ye

so not having weyrn is omega cooked

ofc its doable

but way worse

[jolly heath]

thought they fixed it but seems not the case

[spice surge]

Ofc its doable without, but being sub genuinely cuts like a minute of last boss timer and makes third boss way safer

[jolly heath]

Yeah but like he said, he never play sub and gears are not optimized as well, if there is no such problem, sub would be much better

[dawn heath]

kinda funny

this was last boss +19

enhance did fuck all

[jolly heath]

Maybe he need to cc during ascendance

That’s fucked up

[dawn heath]

he died twice during the boss

lost the buff or some shit

[rotund oak]

casual daddy on the sub tech 🤘

[dawn heath]

it was suprisingly bad on the third boss

but seemed to own on last boss

[keen spruce]

sub isn't good on 3rd boss

[dawn heath]

this is only like

[keen spruce]

just slightly better / similar to assas

[dawn heath]

300k more than i do

in assa

[keen spruce]

and the port out before gauntlet

is more efficient

than after stitchy

[spice surge]

Is this when he was still playing deathstalker

[dawn heath]

trickster

[keen spruce]

yeah you don't swap that early because sub is so good on stitch

[spice surge]

The runs i watched he was doing some sussy things

[keen spruce]

it's just the best time to swap

[dawn heath]

well ye ofc

i was thinkign of swapping like before u pull the boss instead

idk

[rotund oak]

he's testing the waters,man even said he looks for more ST/funnel right now

[dawn heath]

i mean the timer is like infinite

[keen spruce]

well you group can fight the 2 hook dudes

without you

so swappin then is kind of good

all things considered but it kinda depends on timer

[dawn heath]

if i went assa ST

would that make any difference

[keen spruce]

nah still beans on the last boss

but ST assas is good on stitchey

[jolly heath]

Does it matter if you can just use crafter 3-4 times on him

[dawn heath]

this was one of our runs

i think its

21:41+1:33 so that would be 23:14~~ total timer is 32:30 9:16

we had 9minutes 16 seconds

for the last boss

xd

and we fucked it up

we full wiped

went again

and full wiped again

xD

then timer was gone

[jolly heath]

Wiped because of no cleaver on shield?

[dawn heath]

the first wipe was tank standing in comet storm

i dont remember the second

[jolly heath]

Then it’s not your issue bro

[dawn heath]

ye but

my dps is dogshit on hte last boss

only making the fight last longer more risk to brick it

[spice surge]

I meant specifically when hes playing sub

[dawn heath]

we did it on 16 after

like my boss damage here is just not it

[rotund oak]

yeah sub would just smash it

[torpid lion]

yo im forgetting do the emblishments usually shake up for each tier or what

like do they release new ones or are we usually sticking with 1 the whole expac

[rotund oak]

i think its clear now pretty much how sub behaves in respect to sin

it just does more ST dmg

loses to most ''aoe/cleave'' fight to it

so when u make a choice u sacrifice ST for ''aoe'' or vice versa

which is pretty much the case for several expansions,like back on legion,bfa etc(between specs that is)

[runic hinge]

They released a few new ones for aberrus I forget for the third raid but it all depends on tuning

[past bobcat]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[true rapids]

Thanks Whispyr and others for looking at my shit logs last week was able to get from a grey to a green parse this week on M Queen

[balmy condor]

big

[sharp viper]

yuge

[supple spindle]

damn whispyr is kinda sexy, i do not regret wathing their guide

[grim jay]

[runic hinge]

Is it the hair

[supple spindle]

not only the hair, but i like how each video it's different color

[sharp viper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

he is one sexy beast

[subtle tundra]

he is...

MAN

[balmy condor]

[robust juniper]

Morning, as always, we can have only one lethal and one non lethal poisons active, right? Why on my bufs it shows that I have 4 of them? When I apply the 5th one, it replaces one of the four..

[sharp viper]

hey lil mama lemme whispyr in your ear: is Cleave Add a reasonable simming option for court or should I stick to patchwerk?

[rare jackal]

what his @

[sharp viper]

Dragon Tempered Blades allows you to have 2 lethal (wound, instant, amplifying, deadlyy) and 2 non-lethal (crippling, atrophic/numbing) poisons, resulting in a total of 4. if you try to apply another poison it might overwrite a previously applied one

[sharp viper]

@balmy condor

[spring stream]

assa is poison king so you can have 4

[sharp viper]

it's this talent at the bottom of the assassination class tree

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

patchwerk unless you have some hyper specific thing you're simming

but I can't think of anything reasonable for cleave add atm

[sharp viper]

nah just trying to tryhard a bit for court

[balmy condor]

that's almost reasonable

but on mythic court has less uptime than when you sim cleave add

and trying to cleave hard on that is wild cause you'd have to play CT

and it's just strange

[sharp viper]

I've seen some logs play CT

[balmy condor]

yeah

it's possible

but rough

[sharp viper]

We are not far enough for me to have an opinion whether that could be worth it

starting on p2 atm

also I'm a red bitch, gotta do strands

[golden loom]

anyone else suddenly getting this when starting wow

ah nevermind found a wowhead article about it, weird stuff

[sharp viper]

blothel, your bios turned 3

Happy Birthday

[balmy condor]

[tall jay]

So, We looking like udder dog poopoo so far.

[subtle tundra]

🤨

The ptr cycle has just started

[balmy condor]

I mean just off the first boss we look great

CT cranks

boss damage good

really high

tier bonus just a messy inconsistent piece of shit that you ignore

or I guess if you're sweaty you don't ignore

but it's too weak to give a shit about atm

[golden loom]

from what ive seen the raid looks really cool

[grim jay]

I hope it stays that way and they just hit us with aura buffs if we are behind at anything at the end

first time I prefer that

[subtle tundra]

ok mr wf raider

[balmy condor]

the entire 4 piece is like 2% varas

[subtle tundra]

hey i need to keep it balanced.
i say i wanna have sex with you, then i say some meme

[balmy condor]

real

[dark crag]

Some spec will have the worst tier set, that's the rule

[grim jay]

there is quite the difference between just having the worst tierset and it being bad numerically as well as insanely stupid in function

[warm vortex]

Wait that’s how low season 2 tp is?

[royal lantern]

well

the 4 set is

"you have a chance that a proc that has a chance to happen is giving you more dmg for 4 seconds"

the "chance for a chance" part is allready ridicolous

[warm vortex]

Thanks blizzard

[balmy condor]

It’s 8 seconds every 5 minutes

[warm vortex]

What the fuck

[royal lantern]

:3

Gamble set for Gamble raid cus THEMATIC bro

[balmy condor]

Yeah cause you have 15% chance to lose the streak, and then a 20% chance to gain the 4 piece

So that’s a 3% total chance on finisher to gain the 4 piece

We cast around 70 finishers in 5 min

So 210% estimated

Is 2.1 procs in 5 min

That’s after they bug fix it btw

[royal lantern]

:33333

[warm vortex]

Isn’t it like this for other classes aswell

Blizzard why must you be so shit at making tier sets

[balmy condor]

It is not

[warm vortex]

I thought the first one was boring
At least it wasn’t too luck based

[royal lantern]

some yes, some no

[balmy condor]

Other classes have the 15% chance but the 4 piece is wildly different

[royal lantern]

subs set as an example is literally anti gamble to some degree lol

cant lose stacks during symbols+double stack gain during symbols

is sub 4set

as an example

[balmy condor]

Ret paladin is 100% chance to refund holy power and make holy power spenders free for 4 seconds

[royal lantern]

^

demolock set is insane

[balmy condor]

Enhance Shaman just gets free cdr

Every time any winning streak happens or gets consumed

[warm vortex]

Genuinely might play sub this season if that’s the case

[royal lantern]

and assa gets the same tier set for the 5th raid in a row

but with bullshit rng attached

[subtle tundra]

idk how we lowrolled so bad

[royal lantern]

[royal lantern]

"oh people dont like shitbound for being cringe coinflip rng? we show them rng"

[warm vortex]

I mean now I get an excuse to play sub at least

Srsly tho how out of touch can you be blizzard

[royal lantern]

very

thats not a new thing sadly

blizz is most of the time (not ALWAYS) fixing things

but it takes like 2 years+multiple community outrages+a visible player drop to happen

[normal mist]

We get it, only ours is shit

[robust juniper]

@sharp viper Thank you, I tried to find some passive talent that allowed something like that (I thought it was the only explanation possible) but I guess I missed that one 😅

So, for pvp, how do you guys usually open? I'm going with Garrote, Ambush/Mutilate till 7 combo points to use Rupture, then It depends if I want to try to kill, then I go all in, or I keep generating combo points to use Envenom

I don't know It doesn't fill that great to open like that, I mean, my last experience with Rogue was Bastion Subterfuge in Shadowlands, with an gigantic burst damage, and If I recall correctly, assassin rogues had a pretty decent burst damage and the bleeding was surreal, in Legion, It just doesn't feel the same, I don't know, maybe I should try Sub...

[gleaming bobcat]

hi everyone can i equip 2 everforged stabber in each slot?

[pliant remnant]

Probably better to ask in #pvp

[robust juniper]

Ah, ok

[gusty mirage]

yes, only limitation on crafted items are if they're embellished or not

[gleaming bobcat]

thank you

[gusty mirage]

[tired oyster]

How come so many run Windslinger over Legendary citrine? Sims way lower in all scenarios to me 🤷‍♀️🤔

[narrow basalt]

Heyo guys. When should I use mad queen mandate in the rotation? On cd?

[split cipher]

After your buff trinket with cds, on cd

The double on use life

[mortal badger]

wind is probably better for parsing

[narrow basalt]

it is a grand ol time

[midnight mist]

what do i do differnt if i play that weird sc build

for m+

or is it just whatever just press shiv as always

and it works

[subtle tundra]

literally nothing changes

1 point in sc doesnt make shiv good

[spice surge]

Just gotta 1000% make sure you get ambush of to get the mark on first pull and after bosses

Because no subterfuge leeway

[midnight mist]

ye

[dawn seal]

GUYS

I DID ITY

OMG

MY FIRST PURPLE ON HC

[torpid lion]

Your a fuckin gamer bud

Good work

[final star]

from what I understand it's on doom winds which is real real stinky anyway

but enh is broken always for a while now so doesn't matter anyway

[dawn seal]

OMG

WAIT

THIS WAS THE LOGS

I AM EVEN MORE BETTER

WOOO

[humble verge]

"have a 15% chance to remove Winning Streak!", it actually is a 15% chance per tick of Rupture and Crimson Tempest, not per cast."

i knew there was gonna be some bs like this with the new set

[brave comet]

shouldnt these be dropped right by the tank infront of the boss?

[supple plover]

what's the name of the best crafted rogue dagger?

[pure moth]

everforged stabber

[supple plover]

thanks

i have 2 embellished pieces, is it worth for me to unembellesh it for the stabber?

[pure moth]

stabber you can just craft, doesnt have to have embellishment

[supple plover]

so the embelleshments on my boots/bracers are equivalent to getting one on the dagger?

[pure moth]

what content are u doing?

[supple plover]

m+ and trying to get into mythic raiding

[dawn seal]

people s hould drop these in front of boss I believe

ye

u stack em with boss and cleave

basically

[supple plover]

currently running 626 regicide and 619 blood kissed

[pure moth]

based on what you have weapon wise i would say keep your embellishments where they are and craft the dagger.

[supple plover]

awesome, thank you for the advice

[dawn seal]

if I lets say have a myth dagger

I wouldnt wanna craft one

right

[rare jackal]

at this point you can craft away

[pure moth]

right but they've got 626/619 so crafting a 636 will be better for them

[supple plover]

im sure i gotta craft the dagger either way, but was unsure on whether its worth moving the embellishment from my bracers/boots to a dagger

[pure moth]

you can always recraft embellishments. but for now, crafting without embellishment sounds like the best for what gear you have currently

[fading vigil]

For queen prog, is it heavy aoe? Mythic

[blissful haven]

Hi all - Is there a recommended beginner spec that I could use to help ease me into playing a rogue/assassination that you guys would recommend ?

[royal lantern]

yes

[royal lantern]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[blissful haven]

Thank you ❤️

[fallow canopy]

Normal build with caustic afaik

[violet berry]

Always feel like I’m doing more damage with windsinger citrine

[tall atlas]

!ptr

[spice spire]

pin

[tall atlas]

is there a ptr bis list sorta thing :3

[spice spire]

oh

no

trinkets are in the pin

[tall atlas]

ye i see that

we still crit mastery i take it

[spice spire]

likely

[tall atlas]

so the ptr vendors have no daggers?

[golden loom]

theres no unique effect dagger so think thats why, gear gets scaled anyways @tall atlas

[tall atlas]

i sold my daggers to the vendoe

[golden loom]

buyback 😄

[tall atlas]

and now i cant buy them back becasue i sold all my gear

[golden loom]

ouch

item restore

[tall atlas]

think ill need to recopy my char

[golden loom]

could check if the item restoration works for PTR

[tall atlas]

nah its not ther

[analog field]

Hello, can someone explain to me how to use the sim. I want to compare let's say 2 trinkets but i cannot just input the item id because it will be the base ilvl while i may have an upgraded one. The way i am doing it now is if i have it in my inventory i will swap it and copy the new SimC text. But if i dont have it on me how can i compare 2 trinkets , lets say for a roll on the raid or from the vault?

[runic hinge]

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[analog field]

I have read this but i couldn't make out how to do what i was searching, any answer would be welcome , ty

[simple garden]

Hello, after what is being seen in the PTR, how do you think the rog will be and what spec will be played?

[balmy condor]

You add it via top gear at the item level you want

[balmy condor]

You’re about 8 weeks early

[wise whale]

the rog will be good

[runic hinge]

they are gonna tune day of the patch I'd wait to ask until then

[fathom river]

Is spatter's aoe relative to your hitbox or the target's?

[spice surge]

Targets

[fathom river]

So on bloodbound you're kind of at the mercy of adds spawning near the boss?

[spice surge]

It doesnt really hit anyway

[winged sun]

I dont play spatter on bloodhound

[spice surge]

If you want to spatter you pretty much need to hit an add

[winged sun]

Got r1 without it not sure if it matters

[fathom river]

What's the relative difference in single target from just swapping IB/CS?

I guess I can just run a quick top gear sim

[runic hinge]

spatter does nothing on full ST so its like a little less than 2% i think

[winged sun]

I mean i do rupture the adds

So

So ur not totally getting no aoe from it

Its decent

[fathom river]

At that point the only cost of spattering adds is one gcd to mutilate instead of fok right?

I'm dumb warrior main who lets hekili play my rogue alt for me, could be wrong

[runic hinge]

you need rupture on the add too

[winged sun]

Idk what u mean but i rupture the add and go back on boss

[fathom river]

Right but I meant if you're already rupturing the adds anyways

[runic hinge]

I think adds die too fast for much spatter but you could

[winged sun]

Ya

[fathom river]

I mean I'm pugging heroic rn

It's a miracle if the adds die at all

pug bloodbound is always a special experience

[runic hinge]

on heroic I don't even hit adds

but ig if they aren't dying thats a real special group

assa is a dot spec not a real add burst spec

[coral ibex]

yea i never stop hitting the boss on heroic

[thorn thorn]

Awesome you kept the name

[runic crescent]

Can someone be so kind as to explain to me why you would FoK here in the 4th step?

[devout jolt]

When Darkest Night triggers and you are short 1 CP, is there a better spell to use to max CP or do you use a finisher and fish for a perfect full CP bar

[devout jolt]

Clear the witnesses passive

[runic crescent]

Ah, ty

In a low-energy, single target scenario would we want to play around amplifying poison stacks, i.e. hold an envenom?

[spice surge]

no

Amplifying is not something worth tracking

[golden loom]

if garrotte is in pandemic, use that, if not then muttilate

using darkest night is always highest prio

[lavish wing]

Supercharger is not smth we play around now, right? Like with ER, aiming at right cp and stuff?

[dapper cradle]

not really

[golden loom]

exactly, just forget about it and let it make ur stuff hit big

[dapper cradle]

you just get extra dam during KB windows with shiv

kinda lame

[lavish wing]

aye, seemed like it

[dapper cradle]

law and sub play around it more

[fathom river]

You play around it a bit for darkest night no?

[golden loom]

nah

[dapper cradle]

that's such an edge case that it doesn't really matter tbh

it'll happen once in a while, and you should totally pay attention to it

but it's not like you're locked in tracking your SC for DN

[crude helm]

So spend the ignore the combo point bonus? like if i have SC up and 2 combo points i should still build to 5/7 depending on the Darkest night status?

or should i be accounting for the +3 SC gives always?

[golden loom]

yeah just build to 5+ or 7

[limber lion]

Regardless*

Regardless of DN status

You always build to 5+

DN is the only reason to build to 7.

I personally track Supercharger but I'm a degenerate and I love minmaxing just because it'a fun to me, but it honestly makes no difference if you do or do not.

[golden loom]

I by choice always go to 7 even with supercharger just so that I get dopamine kick from like a 12m crit

[ember locust]

So... I have a couple of questions.

1. Tricks of the Trade - I was just smacked in the head for 5.9m dmg for attacking the boss before the tank did, despite having tricks of the trade on him. Is this normal in retail? It was the tentacle on the last boss in Siege of Boralus.
2. AoE Blind doesn't seem to affect more than one affix orb when used, except if there's a mob standing in the middle of the orb spawn, then it clears several orbs. This must be a bug? (or does it only affect one orb since they're neutral?)

[lavish wing]

wait, does 7cp supercharger hit like 9cp?

and if yes, does 5cp supercharger count as full 7cp envenom for DN proc

[golden loom]

with forced induction its a 10 combo point envenom 😎

[golden loom]

ye

[lavish wing]

awesome

[spice surge]

1. Yep the thread misdirection takes a few millisecond so if the tank hasnt hit a mob you cant hit it without taking a hit
2. Yep bugged

Welcome to playing rogue

[lavish wing]

https://tenor.com/view/jizz-oface-stanky-face-gif-15479514

[proud dust]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[pure moth]

Can you narrow down logs by race at all or nah?

[keen spruce]

Good question

To what end?

[pure moth]

Well i have a mage friend that went earthen so I wanted to compare when another was popping racial. Pretty much it. Racial seems shitty from just reading it for mage

[royal lantern]

probs when you just have a downtime with literally nothing else to do?

but idk, mage doesnt really have that

cus you spam frostbolt/fireball/arcane blast during that time

[pure moth]

That's what I'm seeing lol

So they flat out just dont hit it. So im trying to help them be better

[royal lantern]

probs the same as vulpera racial in that case

aka

melee use it when they cant melee something and its better then nothing

and ranged just dont at all

[pure moth]

So i can't yell at him for not using it, fair

[keen spruce]

What does it do exactly?

[royal lantern]

ye, mage is a class that doesnt really have downtimes where using something that is NOT their class stuff has a benefit

[royal lantern]

remember the BfA azerite beam?

[keen spruce]

Oh ye

[royal lantern]

that, but in waaaaaaay weaker in dmg

[keen spruce]

Yeah I’d imagine that with normal racial tuning

That’s not getting pressed

[keen spruce]

By a far away player

Except in very specific circumstances of downtime

[royal lantern]

problem is, mage needs to use abilitys to build stuff anyway

frost bolt for icicles/procs

fireball for crit fishing

arcane blast for arcane stacks

so like, they dont have the downtime for things like that

[golden loom]

1.9 second cast sounds like you would rather hardcast a pyro or a frostbolt or arcane blast

[keen spruce]

Yeh I don’t see a mage ever using it

[pure moth]

Ok

[keen spruce]

But maybe instead of flaming them for not using it, flame them for playing earthen

[pure moth]

Oh I don't flame people....

That you know of

[keen spruce]

Kriz always slurrin me

[pure moth]

Nahh

Also. I healed mythic court cuz range was needed... was interesting. Wasnt THAT bad

[royal lantern]

court got some heavy nerfs now, which makes it more tolarable

idk why it took them THAT long to cut 1 dispell lol

[pure moth]

Yeah

[keen spruce]

Rogues can’t heal ma’am

[spice spire]

Tell her shmeeps

[narrow basalt]

/wa

whats the command again hehe

[main blaze]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[narrow basalt]

My wa just removed itself idk why

[narrow basalt]

ty

[pure moth]

I. Did.

[pure moth]

What if I hit 3k? Do I count as real one?

[golden loom]

man the new swirlies graphics are soo good

[keen spruce]

[pure moth]

Going blue.. i need crests anyways . Was 3k last season. This season im slacking

[bronze pike]

btu what if you do the new meta

and have all healing gems on ring

to replace healers

5 head

[keen spruce]

[pure moth]

Shaman/rogue meta. Ill play both at once

[slow helm]

that's why you have 2 computers

[violet berry]

is there a valid argument that windsingers citrine is better in keys

[spice spire]

[humble verge]

we cant step out of roots with shadowstep right?

xd

[spice surge]

nop

[balmy condor]

No

[thorn thorn]

I am envious you seem to have an endless supply of these god tier emojis

[spice spire]

[runic hinge]

Paid for by his discord kittens

[spice spire]

[spice surge]

[spice spire]

Eleem going band for band w me rn

[spice surge]

Ye were touring in a band

[spice spire]

[thorn thorn]

[spice spire]

[thorn thorn]

[scarlet barn]

with the ovi talents, do I use 2nd shiv for add spawns rather than using it to extend kingsbane

[pure moth]

Kb

[royal lantern]

treat ovi as a 100% ST fight

just that you use once CT everytime adds spawn, and FoK instead of mutilate to generate CP

you dont do anything Special, just slam boss and keep CT running for more boss dmg

[scarlet barn]

Okay

[elder kiln]

what about skipper pulling randomy all the time in dungeons ?

[balmy condor]

overblown

[elder kiln]

it's happened again today in a gb by someone else in my party, multiple times in nw aswell
Personnaly i'm not coming back to skipper and staying windsinger until it's aknowledged and fixed

[balmy condor]

good for you

[runic crescent]

Anyone have any advice not covered in the guides for ST with the m+ build? Or do I just need to accept that it feels awful.

[brave comet]

i never realized that ping would be so bad for rogue. i'm playing on NA on 250 ping with 637 ilvl. these are my numbers in heroic

these are my numbers in eu with a 630 ilvl character. the numbers are so close

[scenic onyx]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[dawn heath]

/run AccountStoreUtil.ToggleAccountStore()

Any plunder enthusiasts

[fading vigil]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dqwcpAY1tZh3RWmJ?fight=last&type=damage-done can anyone view my logs, i'm noticiing this other rogue in raid, is killing me with envonem damage and not sure what i'm doing wrong comapred to him

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[snow kindle]

youre dead?

[fading vigil]

before that

even on the other pulls haha

he was killing my envonmen dmg on the pulls same time alives

on kyvez

[snow kindle]

well on the kill pull before you died your envenoms are practically doing the same dmg

[royal lantern]

assa Boss dmg in Dungeons is not good, thats just how it is

not everyone can be shaman that does insane dmg in every situation

[magic summit]

I geuss coz it’s not super APM ? 🤷‍♀️

[snow kindle]

idk y look at anything other than the kill pull but he just has more casts of it than you. Your AVG hit and AVG cast is identical he just has 9 more casts

[fading vigil]

well i appreciate it bro

On brood

do we just cleave and dig into the boss

[balmy condor]

CT/fok if adds are up, otherwise just slam boss and caustic

[fading vigil]

should i rupture extra adds?

[balmy condor]

not unless your guild is giga shit and adds are taking more than like 15-20 seconds to die

[gritty vigil]

So I am relatively new to Wow and been playing assassination rogue but I feel like I am not doing something right. I have been attempting to find the right rotation and i have tweaked it some and it feels better but compared to others I think I am missing something

[limber lion]

Are you using weakauras?

Do you have logs?

Have you read the guides?

[gritty vigil]

So I am using weakauras and I have watched a couple videos to try and get a better picture of things.

I think i have some logs from Queen fight

[magic summit]

100% a stupid question but why play sin in raid over the other 2 they are Quite competitive to sin

[slate crown]

because you like the buttons

[thorn thorn]

Sin fun

I like Kingsbane

[slate crown]

And the opposite is also true, if you don't like the buttons don't play sin.

[magic summit]

Has to be a competitive reason there is more sin then the other 2 put together

[thorn thorn]

Because people like playing Sin

[slate crown]

Yeah, in the competitive marketplace of having fun pushing buttons more people like pushing sin's buttons, it would seem.

[jaunty sky]

And it's the best perceived spec atm

[thorn thorn]

Sin is also the easiest spec imo

[magic summit]

Makes sence TY

[spice spire]

do you like the buttons tho

[jaunty sky]

I think Hidden Opportunity Outlaw is even easier but it's also personal taste

[thorn thorn]

Outlaw too many buttons and high apm for me

[magic summit]

They have like 5 bottons? The APM is quite high and sucks in keys compared to sin

[jaunty sky]

I was a bit overwhelmed by assa having last played in Legion, the AoE seems pretty complicated

[slate crown]

Yes, I do.

[gritty vigil]

I feel terrible at it

[coral ibex]

different damage profiles

[thorn thorn]

Too high apm

Sin just much easier

[coral ibex]

sin absolutely CRANKS bosses

[thorn thorn]

Slap on dots and turn on netflix

[runic crescent]

You really have to read the guide carefully imo. The main thing I think I had to figure out on my own that the guide didn't say in a "big picture" way was: do your opener crap, use your CDs if you have them, and you want to get to a spot where you can mut the target once to put caustic spatter on it then spam FoK / Envenom. Like once I figured that out, I started seeing big numbers in M+ trash.

[jaunty sky]

Yeah I'm kinda stuck in outlaw cause it's so fun to mash, but after doing some dummy practice it slowly felt coherent again. Back then it was only poison flask procs and DoT spreading for AoE iirc, but i was also so much worse at MMOs and not that interested in getting better

Also Outlaw AoE is literally just keeping a buff up, it's so nice in raids, especially for stuff like bloodbound or Ovi

[magic summit]

I like the hole spam spam of Outlaw why I was asking why people play sin outlaw is what got me in to rouge

May even stop playing the most meta spec in the game for it

[jaunty sky]

Yeah i think in the first few weeks sin was really hyped in tierlists

When i was trying to decide what to play as someone coming back to the game it was def high up on the list, but i went with heal cause it felt so nice in DF S4

[magic summit]

There burst is better and key presence

[jaunty sky]

Swapped to rogue after a few weeks or m+ being out

[magic summit]

Yesh I’ve been playing Aug since it come out and I’m over it yes it’s stupid amazing and it’s 4 set next session is stupid broken but I don’t know 🤷‍♀️ there’s just coming about Spam spam Outlaw you know

Target cap sucks though

[unborn gyro]

who has a good plater profile for ass? Naowhs is a cluster for this spec

[runic hinge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[unborn gyro]

❤️

[runic hinge]

I use whispyrs now I used to use cev’s as welll and I would recommend both

[rotund oak]

Whispyr's typing intensifies

[balmy condor]

panda log

[balmy condor]

I was typing the log review, very boring

but decided it probably just needs a log thread

[whole mason]

@balmy condor Eye of Kezan is not recommended or? was reading your pin

[balmy condor]

flat fire damage isn't really that appealing is it

[whole mason]

i thought it has agi?

[balmy condor]

it's flat mastery, and the effect is ramping agi until 20 stacks, at 20 stacks the trinket instead does fire damage

[whole mason]

oh, you mean the agi got lost and restacking again after 20 stacks?

[balmy condor]

no?

at 20 stacks, the trinket just simply does fire damage

you lose stacks out of combat

you're not restacking until combat drops

[whole mason]

i mean the 20 stacks of agi remains after 20stacks or not? otherwise it looks like quite a lot of agi after fully stacked?

[balmy condor]

"While fully empowered, the Eye instead deals 64528 Fire damage to enemies or heals allies for 96796."

"instead"

in place of

[whole mason]

god, missed instead

my bad

ty

[whole mason]

just tested, 20 stacked EoK buff maintains and deals extra fire damage

[balmy condor]

if that's intended it's probably fine then

strange wording

[timber sage]

The wording used suggests that the agi staying isnt inteded

But who knows

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean I can see the agi staying being bugged

but that makes the trinket giga shit

so probably intended that the agi stays

but then why word it like that

[timber sage]

Right...

[balmy condor]

so like maybe the damage is just undertuned

or maybe the tooltip is bugged

or maybe 75 other things

classic blizzard PTR though

tier sets basically unusable or non-functional

[rotund oak]

this the most plausible

[balmy condor]

trinkets that either work or don't

honestly the most surprising part of PTR was that the servers didn't explode during the heroic test

I mean they exploded after cause blizzard for some reason still decides to dump every single person directly into stormwind and orgrimmar and the PTR server can't handle that many people in one town and the shards die and DC legit hundreds of people for about 30 minutes

but that's the experience I guess

[timber sage]

Im just waiting around hoping to see a tier adjustement/revamp post from blizz. Plz dont release winning streak as it is right now

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't hold my breath tbh

PTR/beta over the years has been less and less about actually iterating on feedback

and more just throwing players into the mud and seeing what is straight up unusable

[timber sage]

I feel like its so bad id just use 5 off pieces lmao

[balmy condor]

yah I mean it's for sure better than off pieces

I don't even think winning streak itself is a bad idea

but the most well received winning streak bonuses have a 4 piece that augments the streak

and ours definitely does not

[timber sage]

Right, if the 4p was attached to a CD like deathmark it would be boring but functionnal

When you use deathmark gain max stacks of winning streak for the duration

Kinda thing

[balmy condor]

yeh

[timber sage]

Its weird coz they gave winning streak to all melee specs but some have 20 layers of RNG and some are "pop X CD and gain benefits"

Like unh dk or sub I think it looks fine

[runic hinge]

Then you look at the range tiers and it’s like

Why isn’t ours like that

[timber sage]

The jackpot formula looks good

[runic hinge]

Like which is better here lol?

[timber sage]

2p is a proc chance, 4p u get said proc with major cd

done deal

[runic hinge]

Yeah. They should all be like that

Fires is insane too

Extra combust cdr and max benefit during combust

[timber sage]

Yea I got my mage sitting on the bench just waiting to see if blizz fucks em up before release of patch or not

[runic hinge]

Why is melees so trash comparatively

[timber sage]

Its not all melee though

Thats the thing thats weird

Some specs have that same kind of process and none of that bullshit "if you were to lose it you have a CHANCE to get max stacks instead"

[runic hinge]

Yeah. I haven’t read all of them but it’s crazy some can look so good and they can also just have straight trash

[timber sage]

The sub one for instance is doing a good job

Doesnt bring anything new to rotation or build but at least its usable

[cerulean nest]

yo lets get this santa hat off the channel logo hey?

[limber lion]

Gg christmas is over

[marble hemlock]

with a winning streek, its always christmas

[rotund oak]

been watching too many movies or something

its never xmas

[subtle tundra]

ughhhhhhhh

ruining my fun

[earnest remnant]

i dont celebrate christmas tho

[marble hemlock]

thats fine, you aint ever gonna celebrate a winning streak either

[pastel cradle]

which talent build would you guys recommend to take on Zekvir 2.0?

[balmy condor]

single target

[whole mason]

for a winning streak, it should be a streak. after shiv, you wont lose stacks, and increase your natural damage.

[dark crag]

Sub is cooking some next level degen shit with never eviscerating outside dance. Just rupture spam

[sharp viper]

I would recommend going for double vanish on zekvir ?? to get rid of the slow dot, brann isn't very reliable and you need your kick for the heal

[past belfry]

hey all, new to sin rogue and I'm trying to really understand priorities here. I just spent about 45 straight minutes hitting the 3 pack of dummies, trying to understand how I can effectively keep up rupture/garrote on all 3, while keeping up CT, caustic, and cycling my cooldowns right

I always seem to fall short keeping up bleeds

which makes me even more worried about when I have more targets and should be keeping up rupture/garrote on 5-6 targets as the guides. suggest

outside of vanish/IC, how the hell am I supposed to do that?

I feel like I'm missing something major

[normal mist]

You only really need 5 ruptures out to max scent of blood. Garrote in AoE ONLY matters when you're coming out of stealth and bleeds spread. Other than that have your main target garroted and the other ones with rupture only.
Our main source of damage in AoE is spatter.

[past belfry]

ohhhhh okay

ruptures I think I can do

it was really trying to get garrote on other targets and then having it fall off of my main target

[normal mist]

Dw about those

[past belfry]

okay awesome

[normal mist]

We are a dot class which dots do pretty much no damage, outside of crimson tempest in aoe

[past belfry]

haha, gotchya

ahh okay, so this part of the prio list: Utilize Indiscriminate Carnage to help maintain enough energy for your rotation. This typically occurs at around 5-6 bleeds between both Garrote and Rupture

between them

I was mistaking that for saying 5-6 targets with both

[sharp viper]

I would be very impressed if anyone manages to garrote more than 3 targets without IC

[whole mason]

cast on cd?

[past belfry]

I was finding it impossible to maintain it on 3, with all the other upkeep 🤣

[woeful zenith]

not sure if i'm too late to the discussion, but is 2x dawnthread still the play for embellishments?? Nerubian simming higher for me

[balmy condor]

#assassination message

[woeful zenith]

legend, thanks

[normal mist]

new players be like "who's that"

[polar sinew]

Hi do you know what WA Shivz is using in his video pls ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBLAQJ0WM-0
I feel like it's https://wago.io/NSNerubarPalace but i'm not sure at 100%

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[polar sinew]

ty

[fading vigil]

The ring at 652 is that maxed now?

No more weekly upgrades correct?

[hollow river]

the max is 658 afaik

[fading vigil]

So next reset will be the last one

I appreciate it bro!

[radiant raven]

Two more weeks for it to max out, I believe.

[balmy condor]

Yeah two weeks

[gusty shore]

tbh i understand ppl flaming blizzard for realising unfinished stuff , but a ptr is meant to be uninfinished haha

[spice surge]

Yes and no

Whats the point of asking for feedback on something that literally doesnt work

Theres a difference between "mostly works with some kinks" and "doesnt work at all"

[gusty shore]

i mean the feedback is it does not work atm , so they can makle it work right ? the main reason for that is not seeing if ppl are happy the main reason is to see what is bugged, and many bugs may not be there before a couple hundered ppl did xy

i mean it mostly works with some kinks , set for example on most classes as far i know already works , some are a bit bugged , some dont work at all.

[balmy condor]

A ptr as the name implies is meant for testing. That’s why it’s a public test realm.

The quality of stuff blizzard has put into the ptr every tier has gotten worse and worse over the years where we now get a ptr where we have to speculate on what the intention is of something we are testing, rather than testing.

Even worse than that, because every patch is rushed and pushed out because blizzard is trying to adhere to a patch cadence they cannot keep up with, there has been very little iteration on anything. Hero talents are a great example where the community looked at them, the first iteration of rogue hero talents were hated and huge complaints everywhere were screamed from the rooftops. It took a while but all we got was minor changes and feint removed from trickster. Deathstalker is still bugged, and it took legit months to fix the mark working with echoing reprimand/supercharger cp

Yes a ptr/beta is meant to be unfinished, but every single time we get a ptr these days we are stuck wondering how stuff is even supposed to work rather than actually giving feedback on the thing being tested, which then slows down the feedback cycle because blizzard first has to fix their stuff to work the way they want it to, we need to then actually test, and then they have to cycle on that. That’s actually impossible though because they give themselves no time for any of that in the first place and so all the testing and feedback is a big fuck you anyway cause we know damn well they’re not changing winning streak, and it’s only a tiny chance that we see any tier set bonus, let alone ours, reworked. That pisses people off. We are supposed to give feedback on shit that doesn’t work and doesn’t have time to change even if it does work. It’s just a massive waste of everyone’s time and effort and yet we repeat the same song and dance and it continues to get more and more stupid and I’m really fucking sick of it

Thanks for coming to my ted talk

[spice surge]

Not to mention the echoing "fix" introduced another bug that fucked sub over really hard

1 step forward two steps back

[balmy condor]

Also respectfully “the feedback is it does not work atm, so they can make it work right” is actually such a stupid thing that you made me read right now

“the shit I’m supposed to test is untestable” is not feedback

It’s blizzard not reaching the bare fucking minimum

If it can’t be tested

[spice surge]

They just shifted their internal alpha to ptr and the ptr to the live realms

[balmy condor]

Don’t put it on the test realm

What are we doing

[limber lion]

Amen

[balmy condor]

Like why the hell would I give feedback of “hey it doesn’t work”

They know it doesn’t work

They made the thing and the dev who made the thing tested it while making the thing because that’s just how coding works

Every programmer that has ever lived has to test their code 24/7 while they’re making it

They know damn well their shit don’t work

It’s not a surprise to blizzard that requires us telling them

It’s literally just a deadline of they have to shove a ptr out and whatever state things are in is how they are and that’s it

[snow quest]

It certainly feels that way

[vestal wren]

can you explain why ptr is >20 GB of data

what are they adding, a new game to the game?

just adding some yapping to the discussion ^^

[snow quest]

It's the new swirlies surely

[marble hemlock]

Real and based.

[rotund venture]

hello so im trying to learn assa rogue and i have 1 question about the rotation guide at point 6 it says to cast kingsbane if u have two charges what does that mean? the way i understand it is that you need to have to charges of shiv which only has 1 as far as i know. finding the same sentence on single and aoe rota. but not understanding it can anyone explain please?

[humble verge]

you wanna shiv kb, then the last eight seconds of kb use shiv again

[slate crown]

Where I used to work there was a huge stamp of shame from the QA team if something got to them and it didn't work, the DOA stamp. It set off a ton of processes too for RCA and stuff, because if it flatly does not do the thing, that means A) the developer didn't test it and B) the PQA (developer code reviewer) didn't test it, both core parts of doing the job.

I'm not saying that blizzard devs are bad, I don't think you get hired /seek employment at a place like blizzard to do software dev if you are dispassionate. In fact that makes it even more depressing that these devs are being pushed to the limit with a pace that means they can't take any time to appreciate their own work to be proud of it.

To be frank, PTRs should not exist to begin with. We shouldn't be taking on the testing burden, they should be paying employees to do this testing internally, but that's a pretty lukewarm/cold take.

[brave comet]

what is that, icyveins?

[humble verge]

no its wowhead

[rotund venture]

no wowhead

[brave comet]

also you use shiv in the M+ build for the last 8 seconds

in raids you use it before you hit kingsbane and halfway through

[rotund venture]

but kb is 14sec and shiv got 30sec cd? or am i missing something

[brave comet]

the old M+ build used to have 2 shivs so thats a remnant of a build thats no longer up to date

[rotund venture]

ah ok that makes sense than

[humble verge]

dont think i ever saw a 2 shiv m+ build but

atleast never used one

[marble hemlock]

Personally I'd say a PTR is fine if it is an extension of the internal testing/vetting process, that then lets a much larger audience test things, especially from a technical/compatibility perspective.

But I think at this point everyone has noticed that there doesn't seem to be much if any preliminary steps on the combat side of things (bosses, dungeons, classes) prior to the PTR releasing, I'm sure they do test most of the game systems and questing/area stuff though.

And that leaves us with no clue what things are even supposed to be, bar the very rare (and very helpful) dev note on blueposts.

[slate crown]

That's fair

[radiant raven]

PTR is also good for catching blindspots, or stuff that might've been overlooked but work. I.e., the timewalking stuff back in DF in.. 10.1.7? that was really questionable from a narrative perspective.

[marble hemlock]

But ye, to me the biggest issue has always been that when we get to see things on Beta or PTR, its "too deep" into their dev cycle to actually take a step back, re-evaluate and change things. 99% of things, by the time they hit the PTR, will guaranteed go live in that state and then need fixing later-on.

If they just once would get ahead of schedule with this and keep at it, there'd be a whole lot less fixing after the patch goes live...

(which would then give more time to get things into a workable state before the next PTR)

[radiant raven]

It'd be nice if they could just.. slow down. Take a breather. Work at a more comfortable pace.

[marble hemlock]

It'd be nice but sorry, capitalism.

[radiant raven]

Ye

I will fight capitalism.

[marble hemlock]

This year is gonna be particularly rough for Blizz since they have no big release coming at all

[slate crown]

There's definitely a clear indication that there are changes they make intentionally, that then do not work. Someone sat down to implement the change in code, and as soon as they were done, they pushed it, rather than test that the thing actually does the thing in the game, because they have 1000 other things they have to do before next tuesday

[lavish geyser]

Gotta fix overwatch as well, before marvel rivals takes over

[marble hemlock]

Last year they had TWW and D4 Expansion releasing, but this year they have virtually nothing, so there's gonna be quite a lot of extra pressure from finance to push out more content

[radiant raven]

Yeah. Which is.. urgh.

[marble hemlock]

Ye, I reckon the backlog in whatever ticket or tracking system they use for tasks has got to be absolutely massive. Plus, just because you can code smth, doesn't necessarily mean you immediately understand how to test it either when it relates to a class you may have little to no experience with.

[coral ibex]

you should have 5 ruptures out in AOE

always

[slate crown]

So someone who does needs to stand in between the code being pushed and going out. it's just that that delays things

New devs need to be onboarded so devs unfamiliar have a chance to grow knowledge, that's def a good thing

[marble hemlock]

You can already see how "lazy" people are being by writing their numbers in tooltips in plain text on many occasions, so when the spell gets changed the tooltip doesnt refelct it, cuz it doesnt pull the number from the spell data. That's such shoddy work in my mind...

[slate crown]

but there has to be a quality stopgap

[marble hemlock]

But I reckon they do it cuz its just faster, in the moment.

[slate crown]

but all of this still points to the same place from both of us

they need more time and to not be pushed at this pace

[marble hemlock]

Ye absolutely agree. And if devs barely have time to test their own code, imagine how little time they have to document their code for whoever might be tinkering with it again in the future...

[slate crown]

yeah

[wary light]

Relatively new to assa so sorry if this has been asked before - any reason why haste is simming as the highest dps secondary for me atm?

I'm at 11.2k Crit // 5.1k Haste // 14.9k mastery // 3.9k Vers

Trying to get an idea of if I should just be sending all of my crafts as crit mast or if I need to change it up a bit.

[marble hemlock]

Lack of code documentation/commenting has been a big issue at Blizzard, especially when you read some of the comments of the previous senior devs

[radiant raven]

A nightmarish machine that will eventually collapse. It's frustrating that we can't just have it make most of the money. But it always has to chase all of it.

[past belfry]

Generally that’s how stat weights work, if you’re heavy in everything else, the stats you aren’t heavy in usually increase in value

[radiant raven]

Yeah - I've always assumed a big part of why they repeat the same mistakes is because there isn't a good "Do and Don't" documentation, or enough time to consulting people who might know. Like, uh, when a new quest is done and it's got really awkward spawning interactables that can't flagged as personal.

[marble hemlock]

I mean, realistically the machine collapsed a few expansions ago and what we have now is more of a frankenstein's monster codebase that is held together with ducttape and some WD40. It still works, but you can see all the cracks and nonfunctional parts if you just look at the last couple of reeleases

[wary light]

Sure, I just thought haste was omega dogshit for Assa. I don't see any of the big assa players have the odd haste piece here or there, outside of tier, which made me wonder if they just full send crit mast.

[past belfry]

It’s just something you don’t want to prio, thems just the numbers

[marble hemlock]

Every push to prod the last ~2 years has been shoddier and needed more post-release fixing than the previous one, and I seriously doubt 11.1 will be any different. I personally expect it to be the worst patch release in wow history in terms of QC and how much fixing needs to happen in the first 1-3 weeks after it goes live.

I hope I'm wrong though.

[radiant raven]

Yeah, I'm expecting pretty much the same.

[slate crown]

I often make comparisons to where I worked before but where I worked was not a publically traded, we didn't have shareholders looking for quarter-on-quarter gains. We had massive institutions that were our clients that we worked with in partnership once contracted. If there was a software change we made, our customers would get it when it was done, and we wouldn't call it done if it didn't work, and it was such a core part of the business and it's a monolithic player in the space so we weren't going to lose customers over delaying things. That is a different situation from blizzard where you have shareholders breathing down management's necks.

I can't imagine what it's like developing in a place like that, where the incentives are based on that

[marble hemlock]

Ye I doubt any of the passionate devs really feel like they can express that passion in a helpful or meaningful way. And imo it's also an environment that makes it increasingly unlikely that top-talent will be applying or joining your company in the first place.

[slate crown]

You join because you're a star-y eyed aspiring game dev who grew up playing wow

which means you have passion but you aren't yet beaten into submission by the harsh realities of the industr(ies)

[marble hemlock]

Instead you end up with the typical corpo-hell of high employee turnover where passion is quickly sucked out of anyone who still has it.

[slate crown]

yeah

[marble hemlock]

It's a bit less egregious still here in the EU, thankfully, but yeah, as an american publicly traded company, I don't really see how it can go or develop any other way

Feels like business development is somewhat railroaded into that direction the moment you go public

[radiant raven]

Like you said earlier: Capitalism. One-way street.

[slate crown]

Never go publicly traded

[radiant raven]

Every year they must make more than the prior one. Which is an impossible thing to achieve without gross reduction in quality.

[marble hemlock]

Well, its the unfettered capitalism thats the problem, helped by being headquartered/operating in a country where a focus on deregulation is the status quo

[slate crown]

the stock market is fake. Money is fake. Burn it down

[marble hemlock]

Just sucks for all the low and mid-level employees at the company who have zero say in all of this

[radiant raven]

Ye, absolutely. Still hopeful about a proper Blizz union spearheading some kind of collective power but, alas.

[marble hemlock]

And just get squeezed and pressed until they inevitably break or leave to be replaced by new star~y eyed passionate people who will get squeezed just as much

Anyway, enough depression for today

[radiant raven]

We must fight capitalism for a better video game.

[marble hemlock]

Have one of these instead https://vxtwitter.com/aki_safariland/status/1877561732383559968

[slate crown]

Yeah I don't have much hope for this right now. My hope tube is on its last drop, and there's not a shipment coming in anytime soon unfortunately

[slate crown]

you're right, this is much better

[radiant raven]

Hope is the strongest thing in the world to fight against it, though. Even when it seems fruitless, hope is good. So are red panda's.

[gusty shore]

i mean im not a dev but as far i understand stuff , wow is gigantic came , 20 years old , massiv amounts of code that can produce unexpected bugs, also blizzard has a gigantic dev team, and i would think the more cooks are cooking a soup, the harder it gets. and on top of that, we still hope for the fast paced expansions tiers whatever new content. So yeah i think blizzard has fuked up a shit ton over the last years, but some of the issues they have , are just a logical result of all the other stuff, so yeah i think ptr testing is a good thing. and i dont expect it to be ready at this point, im sure someone tested the tiersets at some point , but this dont means that mabye some other change later on , may it be a really small one to what ever, could have fuked it again. this is at least my understanding of code in such a huge game , that sometimes , the weirdest connections can lead to unexpected trouble, and its a really common thing to fix one thing, and the progress of fixing it , u produce a new bug otherwhere. only solutioon would be wipe everything and go wow 2. but maybe i live in a dream world and its much easier than i think.

[subtle tundra]

wow 2 wont happen

[coral ibex]

[subtle tundra]

people are too attached to everything they have

and adding all of it is not doable

[gusty shore]

i dont even think its a good solution , but i think its just normal that it gets harder and harder to fix every bug with every year

[brave comet]

sweet summer child

[coral ibex]

i mean you say it yourself

you're not a dev

you don't understand it

so you wrote all of that for no reason really

[brave comet]

if you think blizzard's focus is to release a fully fleshed out polished product you are sorely mistaken

[gusty shore]

never said that xD

[brave comet]

what they want is money and money only, and so they will release garbage in a faster pace than they can handle because that makes more money

[gusty shore]

they just want out money

[spare cradle]

Does anyone know what happens if I pre-cloaked going through a Shadowgate on the platforms on mythic Ansurek?

[sinful citrus]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
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Whispyr's Plater

[scarlet meadow]

hey guys, what happens to your crimson tempest on your main target if the 4 other targets die? does it stay as 100% increased damage or drop 20% each time a target with CT dies?

[coral ibex]

it snapshots targets on cast

[fallow canopy]

You do the aoe dmg of the dispel as soon as you appear on the other side

[humble verge]

rofl

P3 23% wipe on first pull of the day

it can only go downhill from there

[spice spire]

[gloomy heart]

Assa looking boom or doom next patch

[humble verge]

just ping whispyr