assassination

[warm vortex]

Got an 84 parse first botth mythic
Highest ive gotten on them i think :d

[misty bough]

I just wiped on a 99log

[royal lantern]

if we killed it last week without the healer dc

we would have been in the top5 worldwide for prog speed on her

lmao

[misty bough]

myth rash

love how my envenom critted 2.5M less this pull than last

lol

[balmy condor]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor court

use cds on pull or on first amp

[balmy condor]

First amp probably

[royal lantern]

kk

[misty bough]

most logs use cd on pull

[sharp viper]

a question about ovinax fight, is it worth it to rupture the spiders? or rather spatter harder

[misty bough]

I would say that it depends on your groups aoe

we got bunch of warriors and frost dks to instadelete everything

saving vanish and garroting everything is what I do

[hasty viper]

I've begun progress on Mythic Broodtwister today- Anyone has some tips?

[balmy condor]

No

[misty bough]

my only advice is HAVE FUN

most chaotic fight ive seen

/run WeakAuras.ScanEvents("NS_PA_MACRO", true)
"Ovi'nax Unstable Web Assign
Assigns Dispels for Unstable Web. Healers will get priority on dispelling themselves.
Initially the Healer gets a red glow. When the affected user presses their Macro the glow will change to green and the healer will get a "Dispel" sound.
Specs that can always free themselves will not get assigned. If someone has dwarf or dark iron dwarf ready they will also not be assigned.
If a healer gets double assigned that means you have more debuffs than healers, which is why you want to self-break as many of these debuffs as possible to avoid someone having to wait 8s for their dispel."

[sharp viper]

they seem do die rather fast

currently everyone was told to be in aoe spec

[balmy condor]

Yeh dps check isn’t bad at all

[misty bough]

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMjZmZmxM8ADAAAAAAzGsMDAAAAAAttNzMMzMGzMzysMzMjBGmZmxMbWGzAsYWGYALglhJwwCA

you using these?

[cerulean maple]

question for blood on heroic or mythic, is the cleave range with caustic big enough to cleave dmg from boss onto ads or is it better to target switch and nuke harbinger?

[iron valve]

iirc it cleaves adds to boss, it does not cleave boss to adds

[cerulean maple]

[balmy condor]

Forced induction but yeah

[balmy condor]

Caustic calculates it range from center of hitbox

[cerulean maple]

ahh i see

so focus ads

[balmy condor]

So cleaving off the boss is like

[cerulean maple]

def

[balmy condor]

40 yards away

[misty bough]

https://i.imgur.com/QVbUrwr.png

rupture on boss only

[balmy condor]

Okay

[misty bough]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/49tCwhAGZ8BQTna3#fight=17&type=damage-done&source=3 can look at this guys damage done to what target, hes good

hes only garroting boss aswell

[limber lion]

Good

[balmy condor]

That’s correct yeah

You don’t multidot on ovi’nax

[misty bough]

rip that pull

[cerulean maple]

oof

[warm vortex]

90 parse on blud mythic

first time ive had same ilevel parse and normal parse

[royal lantern]

is playing the "aoe build" with CT that we play on broodtwister not good on court aswell

[misty bough]

dw i did better next pull

we popped vantus lol

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character

[molten flicker]

I'm looking for some opinions on whether or not to trust the dungeon slice sim that ovi'nax egg trinket at 626 is better than my 639 ara-kara sacbrood for m+, I usually just trust the sims but I'm finding myself a little skeptical in this case https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f2aDSy1XDBSCdEFBsY3KaH

[normal mist]

ovinax simmed really high for me as well, but it requires some min max and i CBA

[ebon notch]

what am i crafting writhing patch on

if not on wrists

[normal mist]

boots/belt/back

[ebon notch]

kk

[misty bough]

back? O.o

[normal mist]

Can't it get wither emb?

[misty bough]

idk, I was more surprised of the slot choice

[normal mist]

If you don't raid, you can't get the rare backpiece from raid

which means backpiece is whatever

[misty bough]

I guess, didnt even realize people dont raid

[normal mist]

I don't raid mythic p.e

and week8 of never seen it drop

[final warren]

guys I am at : 27% crit 7%haste 52$master and 4% vers, is that good, or I should to aim for more crit or more haste anything?

[normal mist]

and when it does, it will be rolled lol

[normal mist]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[normal mist]

AKA stats don't matter

[misty bough]

heres my current stats with raidbuffs but you should just top gear sim

[final warren]

hmmm so still capping on mastery aint bad?

[normal mist]

Sim it

[misty bough]

haste proc on flask

[limber lion]

ewww

[normal mist]

my best simming stats for raid / ST

[limber lion]

Why would anyone ever use the normal green class colors on their raid frames

that hurts me physically

[misty bough]

I fucked up my raidframes when i installed wow again from the new ui changes so I just stopped caring

[limber lion]

At least turn on the class colors

[gloomy heart]

balling

[misty bough]

god damn

[final warren]

holly

[gloomy heart]

jk LOL its tournament realm

[limber lion]

lol

[gloomy heart]

half of you just nutted from that LOL

[royal lantern]

i mean, that could be my character in 1 week lol

only 1 heroic piece left + upgrading the 2nd crafted piece

and all slots are maxed out

[rotund oasis]

has anyone been playing twist the knife in m+? feel like it helps with low ST damage but not sure which talents are worth dropping.

[molten flicker]

that is my character 3 weeks on mythic raiding

[limber lion]

There's only 3 people in the world with 639 ilvl

So uhh

[gloomy heart]

any rogues

[limber lion]

No

Best is 638.81

[gloomy heart]

blizzard hates us then

who is 638

[limber lion]

Yes I play it quite often

[royal lantern]

and thats not @subtle tundra

[limber lion]

Slasharama-Zul'jin

US char

[rotund oasis]

what are you dropping for it? sudden/assasin/sanguine?

[sharp viper]

i will be happy to hit 633 soon

[royal lantern]

sudden demise is dropped for ttk

[limber lion]

Really depends on the dungeon. Dropping MA is a safe bet for most dungeons honestly.

But you can also drop SD if you play that

Or SBS if you want to take Dashing as well

Or Sanguine if you want to play MA

Doesn't really matter what you drop

[rotund oasis]

thanks man

[limber lion]

Damage is still gonna be the same, so I would personally drop the talents that don't affect the rotation in any way

[gloomy heart]

goat.

[final warren]

how can I sim if its better a mastery flask or caos flask?

[limber lion]

Alchemical Chaos is better

Don't need to sim it

[final warren]

haha

alright, thx.

[gloomy heart]

1.4mil on ansurek is disgusting

[misty bough]

cev whats your ilvl now?

[limber lion]

Idk I don't really play that much

Like 617 or something

[misty bough]

ah

[limber lion]

80% spatter I bet

[limber lion]

Yeh I quit in Dragonflight already

Just doing some casual gaming now

[subtle tundra]

bro my gear is a tragedy

[limber lion]

I remember being the highest ilvl back in EP, that was pretty fun

[gloomy heart]

405 envenoms jesus

[limber lion]

Lol

[limber lion]

Or was it simdps, idk can't remember

[misty bough]

highest crit this raid is juicy

considering my mid ilvl

[gloomy heart]

whats the highest envenom ever this season

[subtle tundra]

let me pull up my spreadsheet

?!?!

[misty bough]

Is that tracked?

[gloomy heart]

LOL

bro goes "oo juicy, ill write this down"

every envenom crit

[misty bough]

wouldnt be too hard to pull wowlogs

[gloomy heart]

1 mythic dagger and slasharama is 639

[ember mural]

hacha doesnt play assa

[gloomy heart]

and a ring

[ember mural]

[final warren]

so migth the trinket of "empowering crystal of anub'ikkaj be bis?

[gloomy heart]

SIM!

[final warren]

idk how to use that sim thing 😦

[molten flicker]

ctrl + c

ctrl + v

[limber lion]

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[misty bough]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/rogue/assassination/trinkets/castingpatchwerk

[silver wyvern]

This does not consider pair of trinkets

so be careful and take it with grain of salt

[warm vortex]

Tbh after finding out that cloak makes you fully inmvinicble for 1 second or so
sikran dps has gotten a nice amount better

[silver wyvern]

and yea i think ovi nax is broken in sims. Or maybe consider always 15-15 but it seems like sims higher than almost everythink but no one is using it

[misty bough]

Treacherous Transmitter is 100% simming better than performing

[warm vortex]

Do you not like having to do five backflips to get a dps buff?

[subtle tundra]

i think part of tranismitter dps is also being able to use it one more time in some cases

compared to skardyn

yea outside of cds but still one more use

[limber coral]

those were the hits, he casted 87 envenoms

[gloomy heart]

Ah

anyone know which gems to use to max out this

[royal lantern]

sim

[gloomy heart]

How doi sim that

[limber coral]

ST and AOE uses different gems atleast when I sim them

[finite shoal]

I've had some strange input lag as of late, like a few weeks back. It makes playing Outlaw really frustrating and I am pretty sure its server lag and not local, but I worry thats not the case. Anyone else with similair issues?

[warm vortex]

Oh my god im an idiot and stacked gems with that

i need my brain checked XD

I just have 3 crit mast gems and the main stat

[misty bough]

you can sim gems aswell

[warm vortex]

Yea ik ik

[misty bough]

mine

[warm vortex]

my brain just wan't on earth when that happened

I should sime yea

[sonic zinc]

theres an option to sim a mix of gems for those

[runic hinge]

theyre too new to get this

[gloomy heart]

NAMES

of gems

[molten flicker]

bro u have auction house

[warm vortex]

Sim

[molten flicker]

just search

[warm vortex]

and you should get ones you should use

Gonna be a pain to sim most likely though

and how much of a diffrent is it

[misty bough]

masterful onyx 1
the culminating blasphemite 1
masterful sapphire 1
deadly ruby 1
deadly emerald 1
deadly onyx 2

[molten flicker]

it is not a pain to sim gems

[misty bough]

is what im using

[warm vortex]

Oh i thought it would be

[molten flicker]

just click all gems u want the sim to consider

and consider them simmed

[warm vortex]

Oh

the way i would do it would lik

emake 50 gearsets

with diffrent gems on each

[misty bough]

whats ur name and server

[warm vortex]

is that the caveman way to do it

[royal lantern]

you sim gems

simple a sthat

its highly possible that it ignores the gem effect anyway

cus mate, its 0,1% crit dmg lol

[misty bough]

nvm i would need the input

[misty bough]

0.15% and I just realized its crit dmg and not chance lol

[molten flicker]

don't think it ignores, it just isn't enough to be worth anything

[deep gyro]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[royal lantern]

yes

thats what "it ignores it" means

[molten flicker]

I thought it would mean that it doesn't consider it

but I do think it considers it

maybe I just don't speak english

[royal lantern]

nah, my english just sucks

[vast patio]

Race changing today. two questions.

What's the shadow meld macro, and how reliable is it? Can you pop it when there's aoe going off or is it sensitive to that

[limber lion]

No it's pretty funky

[misty bough]

I love how chaotic this fight is while progging https://i.imgur.com/IAnppF3.jpeg

[limber lion]

Gotta be away from mobs, not in global combat, not get hit by anything

And then you have to stealth during the meld

It's a mess

Would not recommend

[vast patio]

Not in global combat?

[warm vortex]

Doing like

[limber lion]

Like a boss fight

[vast patio]

a boss

right

[warm vortex]

1.2 mil dps on sikran pre execute

[molten flicker]

if you are hit with anything that pulls you out of stealth while u are shadowmelded and before you are stealthed you will not be able to stealth

[warm vortex]

so im happy

[molten flicker]

I suppose a shadowmeld macro would look like "/cast !Shadowmeld /cast !Stealth"

but I am not a programmer

should be easy enough to google if you are interested

[jade abyss]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[gloomy heart]

do we like the mog

got a backpack on too

[cerulean maple]

for deathstalker isnt that only true for AoE? It kind of mentions it indirectly by saying st plays viscious venoms but.. isn't it better to pool to 80%ish and hammer env in ST for max TTK uptime?

replying to the pool command sorry woops

[molten flicker]

it is an old command afaik

[cerulean maple]

ah

anyway if any god gamers are online i would love to see if someone can have a look at some of my logs from this patch / this week? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/argent-dawn/smooching#bybracket=1

Mainly the mythic runs I just did, but also for example the heroic blood / ovi / kyveza / silken?

Im struggling to identify where I;m missing dps

i do pretty ok dmg for my ilvl i think (616-618) but i want bigger numbers on my parses.

i do slightly desync or delay cds sometimes bc i get overwhelmed by mechanics byt im working on that lmao

[spice spire]

I'm 100% not looking at mythic key logs as a generalization LMFAO.
I AM MENTALLY IN ILLINOIS FOR A REASON.

But I'll look at your heroic kills and tell you what you got going on. Threading now

[warm vortex]

Ok trying fatebound

seal fate

or whatever its called

is so fucking nice to have

also hi mental

[spice spire]

hello

[warm vortex]

You goinmg wwell?

I might try fatebound a bit more

its rlly fun when deal fate goes off

[true estuary]

Guys i have a question - if i am lazy and don't want to Vanish in cooldowns, where can I put the 2 points from Improved Garrote and Master Assassin with minimal dps loss? (raid single target)

[royal lantern]

hi :3

[solar wyvern]

For st? I guess just take shrouded instead of MA

But you're losing a lot

Doing that

[coral ibex]

yes shrouded suffocation which also only has value from stealth

[solar wyvern]

Idk man VV is bad

He should just not be lazy

[true estuary]

What about improved poisons and tiny toxic blade?

[coral ibex]

yea just dont be lazy

press vanish in cds

[true estuary]

yes, i just ask anyway. Its obvious i shouldnt be lazy

[coral ibex]

then you can sim it

and figure it out

[true estuary]

Okay

[solar wyvern]

Yeah go into top gear with normal setup and -ma -ig, +ttb+imp poison

See the difference

And decide if you're okay with that

[pseudo elm]

How do i reset the Utility WA to deafult? I only want to reset that one cos i messed up with a few settings and i cant get it back as it were before. I cant press on the reset to default buttom, its just black. Its afenars whispyr edit WA

It was a nightmare to get everything set up so i dont want to mess it up now. So i only want to reset the Utility lane

[cerulean maple]

alright bet thank u so much lmfaooo

but my mythic logs might be better (mechanically) than my heroic logs. the dps i have on them is about the same though so maybe im just lying through my teth

[cerulean maple]

you could import it again as a copy and then copy the utility part into your existing/old wa?

or maybe when importing as update you can somehow choose to only import certain parts? Im not entirely sure on that

but those would be my workarounds

[pseudo elm]

Yeah ill try that, thanks

[spice spire]

please do not announce to the server that you're going to :3

[royal lantern]

if @ everyone would exists

i would do unclean things

[digital venture]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[spice spire]

call me unclean things

[vast patio]

Anyone else miss dispatch?

_>

[keen spruce]

my guild jsut dropped warp blade, regicide, and transmitter on their first kyveza kill

[vast patio]

dayum

[slate crown]

!lag

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[warm vortex]

Sikran prog :D

[royal lantern]

gz

[warm vortex]

Sadly my log was mid

[spice spire]

[orchid pewter]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[true estuary]

still not fixed - 8s drop gilded 😄

[gloomy heart]

Big envenom

[blissful cosmos]

what talent do i drop for ironwire in mytic plus build

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-frantic-the-voices-gif-4777666775328982944

[west crown]

I can’t read your mind. What is your talents

[blissful cosmos]

the wow head build

but

[west crown]

So

[blissful cosmos]

i think its anguine blades i found out

sanguine

[west crown]

Just run the wowhead build

[blissful cosmos]

if you dont run ironwire poeople take sanguine blades

[west crown]

If you would like to troll your dungeons go ahead

[silent granite]

Question, wowhead says Without a trace is a massive DPS loss, but every Mythic+ build has it.

[thin plinth]

Hi guys, when i kingsbane a target in AOE and apply caustic spatter on it, does the caustic spatter do more dmg ?

[west crown]

It’s not bad now because we take master assassin

[lean pasture]

Does anyone know how long the range is for caustic spatter? Like is it the distance from the main target to the other mobs? Or from you to other mobs?

[west crown]

I know the range is small

[lavish geyser]

quick question, I can sim if you dont have a definitive answer. does WaT sim better for m+ then running forced induction build?

[west crown]

You seem to already know the path to the answer you seek

[lavish geyser]

damn

XD

ok this one I cant sim ( I think) is it relevant to be stealth before a boss in m+?

[west crown]

It is much easier to get your damage going but if your tank is chain pulling and you don’t have vanish or can’t get into stealth. The increase in speed of the dungeon doesn’t hurt your dps

But if you can get into stealth you always should

[lavish geyser]

ok yeah, this dude was just pulling boss within less of a gcd

[waxen oyster]

unless tank is chaining with like last mob on 5% or less

then straight griefing

[lavish geyser]

tbf he wasnt a tank main.

[lean pasture]

IF anyone could check my logs we had today on Mythic Ovinax, I dont think I was utilizing Caustic spatter as much as I should. I always managed to apply crimson tempest and then envenom > Fan knife spam while caustic spatter is up, but it felt like it didnt go to all mobs even though we had a DK that gripped them in.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KMNQXB4Vb72CZqF3#type=damage-done&boss=2919&difficulty=5&wipes=1

Am I doing something wrong?

[waxen oyster]

tank mains the usual culprit

[spice spire]

amen

just pull it all in one

[lofty hinge]

how does Forced Induction work? does this just mean I want to consume my spenders at 5/7 combo points instead?

[waxen oyster]

I just bitch at tank until they learn to stop chaining

or die to something and dont release

[gloomy heart]

i love lfg!

Criminal key

[waxen oyster]

average lfg rsham makes me think windshear isnt a 12s cd

[coral ibex]

guys they're using iron wire in the MDI none of you are allowed to untalent it now

[waxen oyster]

how do you land 3 kicks

in 25mins

with a 12s cd

[subtle tundra]

I WILL KISS YOU

[waxen oyster]

….

[gloomy heart]

ret/lock 623 btw

[cobalt sphinx]

can't kick if i'm targeting a firendly unit

[waxen oyster]

like genuinely why do ranged players pretend kick isnt instant cast

[waxen oyster]

not healing with mouseover

[west crown]

📌

Get it up there

[west crown]

Forced induction changes nothing about gameplay. It’s still 5+ combo point finishers and 7 for darkest night if you run deathstalker

[trail scarab]

how do you guys survive 14+ keys as rogue

[lavish island]

Feint

[echo cargo]

fein fein fein fein

[trail scarab]

legit feel i am using it so much it doesnt have a positive effect due to energy cost

[echo cargo]

elusiveness

[lavish island]

living is the positive effect

[trail scarab]

any cast going through just deletes my character

[gloomy heart]

0/2 for keys today goddamn

[trail scarab]

double vanish perma garrote angle soon

[echo cargo]

evasion is also nice when talented into elusiveness, if feint isn't enough

[waxen oyster]

yeah you’re not a dk

[gloomy heart]

double shiv supercharger angle here guys

[waxen oyster]

casts arent meant to go through

[trail scarab]

will keep that in mind

[iron valve]

feint doesn't cost a lot also

[lavish island]

If casts are going through then you're probably AoEing which means you have infinite energy

[vagrant brook]

looks fine
you also have 2 fury warriors blasting the adds, so that's that
just stop rupturing adds that are dying in 2 seconds
and don't delay kingsbane after pressing deathmark, you lose a lot of dmg there; it's better to make sure dots are up before cooldowns to not mess with the burst window

[gloomy heart]

AM I COOKING (NO)

[waxen oyster]

no iron wire

[keen spruce]

I have to admit

that I played multiple loud rogue keys yesterday

without IW

[gloomy heart]

dont need it

[waxen oyster]

maybe if shaman players had kick bound

most dont

[trail scarab]

they have tempest on 1-9 a-z

[waxen oyster]

no its usually resto players

that are dogshit at kicks

[trail scarab]

is there anything you need external for surviving in higher keys? it is most likely me not being very great and using them etc but last boss in siege for example when u get the dot is scary as hell

but i will feint+eva(havent done that much) now and cloak solo

[lean pasture]

Yeah I see your point, I was rupturing adds before they die for the energy. Is it even worth it?

[vagrant brook]

nah that's a common mistake, it's not worth it
if they will live for a bit, sure, but don't try to "snipe" energy

[worldly bridge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cPFQsAWCrLAWc5ziWo981w

Hey my quick sim tells me i can do 1m3 dps at best. Im pretty well geared except for Skardyn (606) and missing some gems (im a poor guy).

People with my ilvl on Wlogs are around 1M4/1M5. Any ideas how to fix it ? Is it only the gem/skardyn stuff ? Double dawnthread issue instead of the other option?

[brisk forge]

It can be if u can play around it

[lean pasture]

And for the kingsbane, you wanna insta kingsbane after deathmark? I thought you always wanted to shiv before deathmark

[limber lion]

Comparing sims to logs is simply not a realistic thing whatsoever

[lean pasture]

Shiv before kingsbane*

[limber lion]

You do not compare them together

You compare sims to sims

And logs to logs

[vagrant brook]

envenom buff up - deathmark - shiv - kingsbane
but I saw you deathmark, garrote, mutilate, rupture, and only then shiv/kingsbane
that way you won't get all of the kingsbane duplicated by deathmark

[lean pasture]

Yeah... I agree with you. I think during pull im soing alright but the second deathmark, my brain is going evrrywhere. So much shit happening on that boss 😅

[worldly bridge]

can i get a sim for the toplogs char tho ?

[vagrant brook]

ye it happens, it's easier said than done ahah

[lean pasture]

Ty for the feedback man, I didnt even know kingsbane was duplicated aswell tbh 😅

[iron valve]

kingsbane isn't, but the duplicated weapon poison procs make kingsbane go brrrrr

[lean pasture]

Ohhhh

Makes sense yeah

[vagrant brook]

oh i thought kingsbane was duplicated by deathmark since it says "release a lethal poison" on the tooltip

[lean pasture]

Im a ww monk main so assa is very new to me, (rerolled due to monk bugs)

[merry bison]

whoever said double vanish kinda boosted at the beginning of the season

you are boosted

gamechanger

i swear

[gloomy heart]

someone send me their subterfuge build im gonna sim it vs mine

[fringe oxide]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[vivid mulch]

Which should i use

The bottled is B tier but has no desc

[strange python]

What robot say

[vivid mulch]

?

[gloomy heart]

sim it

[vivid mulch]

Got the link for the site?

cant remember

[spice spire]

http://www.raidbots.com

[fierce bison]

auto thistle tea is the worst thing ever

[vivid mulch]

Is auth of the depths best on both mainhand and offhand?

[thin portal]

Yo sin rogues

you were top overall on the match

uwu

[late tusk]

got another noobie question ehre, can i go wip algari and ironclaw whetstone at same time?

or its one or anotehr?

[jaunty lotus]

Is siphoning stilleto simbait? it sims 1.5% more in ST than a crafted weap with the other embellishment

[west crown]

It’s terrible

Don’t use it

[thin ingot]

Guys i have a question, does cloak reset the aggro on the elementals in third boss of GB?

[worldly sail]

make sure raidbots isn't simming 3 embellishments, siphoning stiletto was bugged like that before (in sims)

[jaunty lotus]

It's replacing my main hand which has an embellishment

[worldly sail]

[west crown]

Stiletto is donky doodoo

[jaunty lotus]

Oh no wait, it's putting the emblelisshed main hand as offhand

that must be it

[worldly sail]

yeah

a little trick by raidbots

[jaunty lotus]

Yeah, without that it's a 1.8% loss haha

[storm cloak]

Is assass about the same it was last season? Maximise kings bane damage?

[untold hazel]

are we following ST RAID build from icy or is something different

[uneven crag]

!macro

anyone have the thistle tea shiv macro

[merry bison]

!shiv

ye nvm

[uneven crag]

rip

[vivid mulch]

why isn't that last trinket on

[uneven crag]

found it

[broken stump]

I’ve been using the standard hybrid deathstalker build for M+ and I’ve just been simming my character. It seems like dropping Sudden Demise for Sanguine Blades is neutral in single target and a 5% DPS gain on 5 targets. What am I missing? I’m sure there’s a reason the guide has it the other way around

[normal mist]

there are around 500+ builds

there is not a "BIS-BUILD"

#assassination message

[iron carbon]

SD allow you to not lose too much DPS when mobs die with your bleeds up

SIm do not show that

[hot pasture]

i have 17 mastery and 12 crit , is that the cap¿

[royal lantern]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[soft surge]

i just want a 1 or maybe 2 mythic+ build era back

[coral ibex]

no this is way better

you can pick talents you like

[lavish geyser]

which dungeons dont you need IW on?

[soft surge]

they all play the same in m+

sure we can pick the talents but does the rotation change? not really. does the total dps change? yes

subterfuge ruined everything

[soft surge]

some say u should always take it, especially in pugs and no coms

pumpers with solid teams often dont take it

[lavish geyser]

I mean i feel like you dont need it, but its just QoL

[runic hinge]

Is 1% dps better than the best utility in the game, that’s already in your rotation?

[west crown]

You need it on all

Damage reduction is good

[lavish geyser]

didnt even know it did DR

[rich elbow]

Yes. Number go up. if casts go out blame others

[lavish geyser]

thought it was just silence

[west crown]

Does both and the dr is not dependent on silence, so I’ve been told

[rich elbow]

15% dr when silenced

[lavish geyser]

dude that is giga

using blackjack also

[soft surge]

they say mists and db u dont need it

so whoes going to silence the casters in weekly 10s then

[lavish geyser]

idk on last adds might be nice

on big pull

[west crown]

Probably get away with it on mists because damage nor casts are that bad

[lavish geyser]

at that point it just doesnt matter

if there were more dungeons, I might have changed

[ancient rain]

I randomly remembered this comment. My tooltips seem to indicate quite a big damage difference. Am I missing something?

[nimble vector]

mutilate does more than just mutilate damage

[west crown]

On mists I would just take sanguine and forced induction instead of without a trace since you also get consistent restealth too

[west crown]

Mutilate does poison application, weapon procs

[balmy condor]

Tooltips suck

[ancient rain]

[upper oak]

Single target in keys feels really bad, not sure what i can do to make it better.

[balmy condor]

Play a different spec that has better single target

[slate crown]

#subtlety

[soft surge]

why hasnt anyone made an addon that removes tooltip flavor

https://i.imgur.com/p3NXXVF.png

i dont want to read this

i want basic tooltip info only

[coral ibex]

some people still have joy inside

[quasi stump]

^

[royal lantern]

^^

[quasi stump]

Its not even an extra second of reading

Its like… 0.4

Just look at the numbers

[soft surge]

theres addons for all kinds of joy destruction in wow

why not tooltip

[royal lantern]

what

[quasi stump]

DBM

[soft surge]

theres addon for everything

[quasi stump]

GTFO

[coral ibex]

why don't you forge that path yourself then

[limber lion]

Woah rude

[coral ibex]

rewrite every tooltip in the entire game to be function-only

[royal lantern]

i dont see how dmb and gtfo "destroy joy" in the game lol

[quasi stump]

KLAXON ALARM

[limber lion]

I'll pretend I know what that is

[coral ibex]

well dbm gives you instructions so you dont learn fights organically

[limber lion]

👏

[soft surge]

i guess its to much work when you put it that way except theres a thing called AI these days @coral ibex

[coral ibex]

same with GTFO to a lesser extent

[quasi stump]

I just use big wigs tbh cause like

[coral ibex]

dude of course

[quasi stump]

Its not that bad

[coral ibex]

chatgpt

[quasi stump]

Imo

[coral ibex]

why hasn't anyone thought of that

[quasi stump]

Dbm is so loud

[coral ibex]

[soft surge]

some tooltips are worse than others

[quasi stump]

Also it has the FF jingle when you beat a boss

[soft surge]

https://i.imgur.com/Pgq51cr.png

[royal lantern]

you mean the first thing you turn off?

[coral ibex]

so does bw

also bw > dbm

[quasi stump]

Yeah im talking about big wigs

[quasi stump]

7 words

[soft surge]

that i dont wanna read

[quasi stump]

Theres a point where its like

Its really not a big deal at all

[limber lion]

I mean, I have no clue what my trinkets say

[quasi stump]

If you wanna see BIG tooltips FF’s got you there

[limber lion]

I just look at the number

[soft surge]

its not a big deal but id like to not read it

[limber lion]

I don't even bother reading the words most of the time

My brain just skips the words

and goes to the numbers

[coral ibex]

post the starry muse tooltip

[soft surge]

😨

[royal lantern]

you wasted more time in your entire life by posting screenshots of the tooltips then those tooltips ever take you

very reasonable and stable person

[quasi stump]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1222310174509760512/1285978374883508224/PICTOING.gif

[soft surge]

wrong

iv been playing alotta alts this expac and theres many new abilities

[quasi stump]

Just look at the wowhead abilities page

[mint urchin]

Watch a video guide so someone can read to you instead

[soft surge]

good ol slice and dice https://i.imgur.com/DSJzjOn.png

[mint urchin]

No reading required

[soft surge]

no silly flavour larp

[quasi stump]

@coral ibex

[coral ibex]

that doesn't really give the full effect

im logging in to prove this point

this tooltip is fucking large

[quasi stump]

Dont forget enhanced army’s paeon

[royal lantern]

shit job

[quasi stump]

BLM better

[royal lantern]

black mage is the only Mage job i accept

YES

[mint urchin]

Viper is good too

[quasi stump]

Vpr is chill

[royal lantern]

only ethical Caster in ff

[quasi stump]

I did the tier on it

[mint urchin]

Yeah but it's tooltips are awful

[quasi stump]

Cause they butchered BLM in 7.0

7.05 blm is ok

[coral ibex]

38 clears on BLM for TEA

https://tenor.com/view/dab-dabbing-kid-dab-kid-dabbing-cool-dab-gif-20792759

[slate crown]

holy shit the fps on that gif

[coral ibex]

boom

dont complain about tooltips

[gritty laurel]

that tooltip is the product of a deranged mind

[coral ibex]

yes this buff/skill is entirely over-engineered

it drops a circle and makes you do more damage/cast faster

[royal lantern]

the best part is always

its ff14

its not even complicated to use at all

they just overloaded the tooltipe like crazy

[gritty laurel]

"Can only be executed while a starry sky is painted on the Landscape Canvas" sounds like commie propaganda to me

[royal lantern]

eh, its a class mechanic

[coral ibex]

that just means you need to do the prep cast first

[royal lantern]

^

[coral ibex]

the job's shtick is that you are painting effects on a canvas

[royal lantern]

like, ff14 is legendary at making stuff look giga complicated, while having some of the most braindead gameplay

[mint urchin]

Has it still completely invalidated BLMs existence or did they fix that

[royal lantern]

[coral ibex]

we will see with tuesday's patch

blm is getting buffed

[soft surge]

big tooltip but only the first sentence is an issue

[coral ibex]

but yea it did basically replace BLM this tier

[gritty laurel]

yeah, i played through the base campaign of ff14 and didn't have it in me to keep going

[soft surge]

i dont mind big tooltips if they contain to the point info

i just want to get rid or the larp stuff

which some tooltips have and some dont

[coral ibex]

how is it larping if its literally a video game

[digital spindle]

lmao

[soft surge]

theres an addon for everything

[gritty laurel]

more of a varp tbh

[soft surge]

why not this

[mint urchin]

Because no one is insane enough to sit down and read every tooltip in the game to change it

[gritty laurel]

speaking of other MMOs, i'm kinda excited to try ashes of creation when they aren't charging $100+ for alpha access

[coral ibex]

already told you why

[soft surge]

as i said AI can do it

[coral ibex]

ok brother

[mint urchin]

That's not how AI works

[coral ibex]

go get chatgpt to do it for youy

and then also write the addon for you

[gritty laurel]

my guy you must be using different "AI" than the rest of us

[soft surge]

i dont have the time to learn lua, coding etc

[coral ibex]

AI can do it brother

[soft surge]

but i know AI and a addon maker could do it

[coral ibex]

start talking to chatgpt

https://tenor.com/view/dono-wall-gif-24048347

get talking

[mint urchin]

Even chatgpt would say no

[soft surge]

https://i.imgur.com/lfvA8oi.png more of this

[balmy condor]

ChatGPT knows these things though

Go wild

[soft surge]

hmm

[balmy condor]

AI your whole life

[quasi stump]

Again its literally a few words. If you dont have the reading comprehension to parse a tool tip I dont think this game is for yiu

[snow hamlet]

Why i didn’t see sudden death damage in quick simc? am i missing something?

[soft surge]

trying to think of the class with most larp tooltip text, maybe priest

[balmy condor]

Actually, have chatGPT write a piece of code that can translate English into wow addons, and then make an army of addons

[balmy condor]

Cause it’s not simmed

[gritty laurel]

it's basically impossible to accurately sim the execute damage

[snow hamlet]

got it ty

[coral ibex]

My name is lightz and I do not like to read tooltips which contain any text except the explicit function it describes when I'm playing World of Warcraft: The War Within. Please rewrite all tooltips in World of Warcraft: The War Within, removing any flavor text, and then code an addon to execute this function. Please and thank you!

Love,
lightz```

[soft surge]

haha

[quasi stump]

[soft surge]

ok later when i have some time im gunna try it

[slate crown]

but you have time to complain about tooltips

[soft surge]

iv used it to help making weakauras

[balmy condor]

Not even the dumbest thing he’s said

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[limber lion]

Hey that's me

[soft surge]

ai will oneday replace wowhead

[balmy condor]

Do you…. Know what ai is?

[slate crown]

I hate it here

[glass lagoon]

Who can share some videos of rotation? I'm ILVl 602 and my max for ST in +7 is around 500~550k, i think I'm doing something wrong

[limber lion]

Very interesting

[soft surge]

xD

[slate crown]

and by here I mean the internet

[mint urchin]

That's what I was gonna ask lol

[coral ibex]

chatgpt knows what ai is

[glass lagoon]

and for big pack i'm doing maximul 1kk+

[coral ibex]

he can just ask chatgpt

[mint urchin]

True

[balmy condor]

Like you ask AI how to play assassination and it spits out wowhead guides

[mint urchin]

Chatgpt will tell him

[limber lion]

Your ilvl is very, very low

Don't worry about it

[mint urchin]

Whispyr is AI?

[coral ibex]

i hate m3s man stupid ass wrassler won't give me a pink

[balmy condor]

No, im the discord bot lightz asked ChatGPT to make

[glass lagoon]

I went through around 8 dungeons today, and got only 1 item. I can't stand this game, moreover this item was worse than one which i had

i don't know how to get my ilvl

[balmy condor]

Run again :)

[coral ibex]

you need to run dungeons of a higher difficulty prob

to get higher level drops

[glass lagoon]

they were +7

[balmy condor]

Keep running until you have nothing but hero track

Gg 626

[rocky abyss]

Does dungeon slice sims work for assa?

[glass lagoon]

my rio is 1890 for ilvl 602, it's not proportional

[balmy condor]

Yes

[soft surge]

that is kinda weird

craft a weapon or somehting

[coral ibex]

go do normal raid or something

[gritty laurel]

it sounds like you're getting some very generous groups running you through those +7s

[coral ibex]

get more champion track gear

that shit drops from delves

natty

[soft surge]

i can hit close to 600 ilvl on a fresh alt

with the delve gear, a couple bounti delves etc

[rocky abyss]

Was that yes to me sorry? just seems sim wants me to be very heavy on haste while no one is going high haste in keys

[gritty laurel]

yeah, even rep shits out champ gear

[soft surge]

be 600 within hours of hitting 80

[balmy condor]

Yes

[gritty laurel]

yeah, dslice works for sin. stat value is 100% dependent on every other piece of gear, so what you see from people who are 95% or better min/maxed isn't gonna be what the robot says is best for you

[quasi stump]

Honestly

Hero track gear should drop from the highest tier of bountiful delves

And that should give you myth track gear in vault

[coral ibex]

myth gear from delves xdddddd

[gritty laurel]

this man is trying to set the discord on fire

[coral ibex]

nah

[mint urchin]

Isn't it already on fire?

[balmy condor]

Imagine the gear differences but then also 300 different builds

[rocky abyss]

Ye fair fair, it seems it wants me back on mastery when simming dungeon slice but haste for st

[quasi stump]

Actually no thats a terrible idea

[balmy condor]

ChatGPT, how do I put out a fire

[balmy condor]

That’s reasonable yes

[soft surge]

craft like 3 636 items and then the rest max champion gear

[quasi stump]

But idk I dont know how I feel about delves really falling off after a certain tier of progression

[coral ibex]

they're not for people doing heroic/mythic prog

[soft surge]

gotta do a few delves every week for that big ritual knife

[coral ibex]

they're for normie casuals who are pogged out getting champ gear and hero in the vault

[quasi stump]

Speaking as an M+ player i guess I cant really relate to that viewpoint

[gritty laurel]

i kinda like them where they are. might even be too generous with the hero track

[coral ibex]

you have infinitely farmable hero track gear with myth in the vault, you dont need delves to be competitive with m+

[gritty laurel]

run them for early progression, mostly stop touching them a couple weeks into the season

[soft surge]

delves are huge for a fresh toon

[quasi stump]

I think timing a 10 should give a hero piece to everyone in the group

Imo

[soft surge]

if u have a main that has a big brann unclocked

[coral ibex]

i think the problem is 5 or 6/6 hero track costs gilded

and so nobody wants to finish hero track gear

better to just replace with myth

[gloomy heart]

maybe i lvl this guy again

[gritty laurel]

my hot take: M+ tiers should be rebalanced to give 6/9/12 crests and it should be carved from 0-3, runed from 4-6, and gilded from 7+ with myth vault starting at 10

[soft surge]

https://i.imgur.com/bD19kUr.jpeg

2 days and abit playtime

[gloomy heart]

ew a warrior

[soft surge]

was a little project but yea its ew

[gloomy heart]

whats ur rog lookin like

[quasi stump]

ill have you know im an arms main

[gloomy heart]

no arms main

[soft surge]

https://i.imgur.com/Vr4DMXt.png

want more haste but sims say no

also made a big mistake crafting the neck

[gloomy heart]

champion ring?

[soft surge]

sims highest last time i checked 🤷‍♂️

its the queen ring

[gloomy heart]

ik

[balmy condor]

Does ai agree

[runic hinge]

wait someone has Allen Iverson helping them gear?

[soft surge]

sadly ai thinkgs we still use that old cd

the one before deathmark

[slate crown]

what do you mean

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/im-ai-with-the-braids-gif-21981598

[soft surge]

what was it called again

[slate crown]

the ai is wrong?

[coral ibex]

but i thought the AI can do it

[balmy condor]

Fnaf was right all along, the mimic is the bad guy from the start!

[soft surge]

depends on the model, chatgpt 4 thinks we still have vendetta

4.o knows we have deathmark

[coral ibex]

i wonder who told it

is that cheating for an AI?

[balmy condor]

Damn

4.o is only 3 years behind that’s crazy

AI really is the future

[dense monolith]

!shiv

!macro

😦

[amber brook]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[glass lagoon]

I tested that talent tree from ICY and Wowhead shows diffent DPS. With ICY my dps is higher, should it be that way?

[balmy condor]

What do you mean by “I tested”

[mint urchin]

He asked Chatgpt

[balmy condor]

Also this better not be m+ talents or I will actually flip

[glass lagoon]

Just imported two talent trees and they show different dps

Dude Im new to wow

Don’t be mad pls

[balmy condor]

Okay but what does that mean

“Show different dps”

What are you doing

[ashen totem]

dps not equal

[balmy condor]

To come to this conclusion

[glass lagoon]

Following my usual rotation and the damage I deal is not equal

[gritty laurel]

there are a lot of variables, unless you're doing minimum dozens of tests you should just listen to the robot

[coral ibex]

thats not a very scientific way to test

[balmy condor]

Okay and you realize that specs in world of Warcraft have at minimum at 10-15% dps swing when played perfectly yes?

[glass lagoon]

But comparable one

[gritty laurel]

10-15% swing is boring, give me more coins to flip

[glass lagoon]

Okay I didn’t know that

[balmy condor]

And you also realize that assassination talents are very close

And there are no less than 350 combinations in m+

That are simulated within 5-6%

[coral ibex]

just pick the one that speaks to you based on the tree shape

[gloomy heart]

dwarf players, male or female

[balmy condor]

And in actual m+ runs

There is variance in pulls

In dps cooldowns used

In damage dealt from your other party

The buffs they bring or don’t

The time it takes to kill a boss

The amount of healing the healer has to do versus dps

The interrupts missed which kill 1 guy which takes time to brez

[bleak sky]

Use raidbots like the rest of wow players

[balmy condor]

If we’re gonna compare talents at the level of minutia that’s needed to truly know what’s better

You’d need like 100 casualaddicts running keys 24/7

[nova kelp]

Recovered mental going strong

[balmy condor]

For the next 10 years

[gritty laurel]

and in that time 99 of them will reroll to hunter or ret

[mint urchin]

We used "recovered" very loosely

[balmy condor]

M+ is the death of all logical reasoning and the thing that will fully destroy any community in this game

[glass lagoon]

i just wanted to know which one do you guys use, the one from ICY or Wowhead

[balmy condor]

It doesn’t matter

[nova kelp]

Nah I feel for you man
I'm an analyst in my work life. It never ends.

[glass lagoon]

I’m financial analyst, that’s one more thing which hurts me right here

[gritty laurel]

need that old bellcurve meme with "just play whatever you like, the dps difference is negligible" on either end

[nova kelp]

Omg I laughed so hard many times to the "stats don't matter" version

[full summit]

So I have a weird thing going on, I'm running keys with my rogue friend and he's just doing more damage then me in keys but im higher ilvl and the sim says I should be doing more damage then him and he's kinda owning me, is he clicking quicker then me or something?

Also he's running both BiS crafted items and I'm not, could that be a reason why?

[shy pecan]

If you’re getting gapped hard, it’s likely poor play.

[full summit]

Yeah it's weird I think im just trash

[bleak sky]

i hope you don't mean actually clicking the skills with your mouse

[full summit]

nononono everything is binded lol

[thin ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/ai-sponge-moderators-ai-sponge-moderators-gif-2782168709508773407

mouse clickers

[keen mist]

when you dot mobs your friend aoe blinds and removes them

[left osprey]

anyone can recommend a good guide about the rotation for assa ?

[slate crown]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[gusty kestrel]

[left osprey]

ty

[ebon notch]

[limber lion]

"friend" is surely pushing it

[ebon notch]

id blind your mobs any day uwu

[limber lion]

You won't even play with me anymore because you're too high on the pedestal nowadays

[ebon notch]

ive been doing mdi practice for 2 weeks straight

ive been in prison

[limber lion]

Worth it

For an easy buck

[ebon notch]

400 buckaroos

[limber lion]

Easy money

[gusty kestrel]

dratnos route wouldve gotten u just as far

but u chose the hard way

[runic hinge]

On topic

[limber lion]

It is on topic

If the topic is mythic+/mdi

:-)

[ebon notch]

dratnos voted against us in the series we won

we got him fucked up

on god

[cerulean walrus]

Absolutely

[gusty kestrel]

how will he ever recover from this

he might have to make a new video about how to

[ebon notch]

he wont

[cloud yew]

probably negligible honestly

But I think mutilating would be optimal?

I just ambush

[primal quest]

it costs same energy and does more dmg and gives same combo, whats the benefit of mutilate over ambush in subterfuge ?

[strange python]

I guess muti hits with both weapons so 2x chance to crit

=more cp

[cloud yew]

^

[primal quest]

oh.

[cloud yew]

Mutilate more cp on average

You’ll net more damage from dumping more cp than the offset of damage from ambush

[coral ibex]

you dont really have to worry about it

the loss is extremely small

[strange python]

The reality is, unless it's st you are using garrote/rupture/fok within sub window

[coral ibex]

and it only matters in single target with aoe talents

[strange python]

With just 1 muti for spatter

[primal quest]

oh forgot the spatter too

thanks, i guess rebinding it is

[cloud yew]

Ambush will still apply spatter

[primal quest]

thanks man 😄

[cloud yew]

♥️

[strange python]

Wait wut

I mean, I always muti for cp purpose as mentioned above so doesn't matter

[hearty sluice]

I was wondering the very samething.

[strange python]

But

We sure ambush applies spatter?

[novel star]

ambushing in subterfuge is optimal because it has a cool animation

[novel star]

Yes

[strange python]

The fuck

[novel star]

wow tooltips are shit

[strange python]

Again, I see no reason too....but I had no idea

[novel star]

yea ambush kinda sucks

but it’s not a big deal

[strange python]

It's kinda annoying, especially if your used to not playing sub....but imo just bind stealth and normal bars the same with a rebind for ambush.

I was the same, "q" was ambush and muti but now both bars are the same and I reshuffled to get ambush on 1

Bare in mind sub mainly became prominent when snd became irrelevant so we have at least 1 bind spare

Also we barely need to press ambush as Mark carries so it's just a minor thing

[runic hinge]

finally got aotc

[halcyon turtle]

New rogue player here. I find myself becoming energy starved in ST fights. I end up with longer periods auto attacking to rebuild energy. I would say this happens even a minute into a fight. Is there just a flow I have to get into for energy conservation?

[runic hinge]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[halcyon turtle]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[halcyon turtle]

Bless. Ty.

[civic knot]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[vital haven]

how do yuo sim dungeons?

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/taylor-swift-lfg-chiefs-kansas-city-chiefs-go-chiefs-gif-15526364187615000484

[plain jewel]

anybody know if there is a setting or a script/mod for plater to change animacharged combo points. I dont want them showing up on my nameplate

[winged quail]

Dungeonslice

[vital haven]

ye shouldve been more specific i meant mdt dungeons sim

but ty

[runic hinge]

Ring dropped. I did not get

[gloomy heart]

lets go!

[sharp panther]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[vast patio]

Does lethality buff kb and garrote?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[vast patio]

Right on.

[exotic pulsar]

my ST boss dam in keys makes me sad

f

[abstract flower]

there is no explanation why its F tier, would someone tell me

[exotic pulsar]

it does f tier damage

[slate crown]

It does have an explanation

[spice spire]

It’s very bad, primary only. In comparison to others it’s just not good.

[slate crown]

"It's either very week or just not interesting enough"

[spice spire]

Trinket is 7 days

[slate crown]

oh god damnit

[abstract flower]

well it has that buff that it doesnt have in the guide

[slate crown]

you have no idea what level I'm on I'm turning time into power

[spice spire]

It only provides for your Allies

It does nothing for you

[abstract flower]

for you too

yes

[quasi stump]

yeah it's only good to apply death plague

or whatever the purple one is called

[abstract flower]

and for your whole team

[balmy condor]

It’s shit

[abstract flower]

thanks boss 😄

[balmy condor]

Np

[abstract flower]

all i have right now though ^.^

[balmy condor]

Just a tooltip issue in the guide

[balmy condor]

Could probably spam delves and equip anything else

Like

ANYTHING else

[spice spire]

All I have is this changeling.

[abstract flower]

https://tenor.com/view/owl-stop-it-annoyed-cranky-gif-9363532

[balmy condor]

I’m ngl

Maybe actually

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

Like you underestimate

[abstract flower]

what do i do if the tanks keeps chain pulling ? besides crying

[balmy condor]

Just how unbelievably dogshit

Ocarina is

[balmy condor]

Rupture some stuff to maintain energy, CT, back to caustic spatter simulator

[abstract flower]

ct?

[balmy condor]

Crimson tempest

[abstract flower]

ahh yeah

i do that

[violet berry]

Didn’t kidney used to require stealth or am I losing my mind

[balmy condor]

Losing your mind

That’s cheap shot

[violet berry]

Nah holdup

[abstract flower]

yeah its the other

with the eye picture

and insta 4 sec

the combo one was always good

[balmy condor]

Wdym nah holdup

[balmy condor]

Yes

Well not that kidney shot specifically

[violet berry]

I don’t get it

[balmy condor]

But close enough

[abstract flower]

that doesnt need combo points

[balmy condor]

What don’t you get

[violet berry]

There’s two?

[abstract flower]

u have 1 for stealth for insta, and 1 with combo points

yeah

[balmy condor]

Well that’s a kidney shot from an NPC

That’s not a rogue kidney shot

[violet berry]

It says require rogue

[balmy condor]

Yes

[abstract flower]

insta

[balmy condor]

They used it on an NPC

[abstract flower]

combo points

[balmy condor]

That’s the kidney shot that some random fuckass npc uses

Kenny linked the rogue ones

[hollow river]

you don't have blind on your bars?

[spice spire]

Isn’t that from one of the tbc dungeons

[violet berry]

I guess I have amnesia

[balmy condor]

Maybe who knows

[spice spire]

The fuck boy rogues

[balmy condor]

As if I knew mechanics from tbc dungeons bro what do I look like to you

[hollow river]

you are Wowhead

[spice spire]

Somethings used to
Require stealth (garrote for example) but kidney has always been cp, cheap shot from stealth

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

Idk man you know jez

[abstract flower]

when do you use it , or what do you use it for ?