assassination

[dusty crescent]

no.

[marble hemlock]

yes

[subtle tundra]

a whole pack of those

[arctic socket]

My bleeds only run out in a 12

[marble hemlock]

exactly

[faint vessel]

Why aren’t you refreshing it

For energy

[subtle tundra]

yea

you guys

whatever

[arctic socket]

50k was pumpon

[subtle tundra]

strawman my cock

[half moss]

Lots of inexperienced people who over ride. Whether it's going into others lanes, or straight up riding off the mountain. It's a deadly road for sure.

[faint vessel]

Wot

[coral ibex]

instead you auto tea and complain about it

[faint vessel]

It isn’t a straw man

[subtle tundra]

idk what a strawman

[coral ibex]

very smart

[subtle tundra]

is

[tight compass]

this isnt suppose to happen, and if it does you refresh since the enrgy is returned to you when SD procs 😂

[dusty crescent]

pumpon?

[marble hemlock]

i mean what do you want me to say. do you end up having a mob with 10% HP without garrote and rupture on and you just mutilate+envenom it?

[opal cedar]

lol who knew the assa pve channel was this hilarious 🦦

[marble hemlock]

you wanna say that isnt just a 1000% skill issue?

[arctic socket]

Pumpin

[crimson current]

istg they dont play 12+

and itsok

[subtle tundra]

whatever

[little tulip]

there's definitely a 30 in there you can rupture and spatter off of

[dusty crescent]

i paid for a bnet add and friendship

[marble hemlock]

ofc you starve energy if youre literally missing the core element of the spec

[little tulip]

it's tyr and fort they thicc

[dusty crescent]

is ok

[grim jay]

I typically refresh them before they run out

[marble hemlock]

so now you get punished for playing like a baboon for letting your bleeds drop AND not refreshing them

[crimson current]

even with bleeds on in the end of a pack

[tight compass]

Sniping ruptures and free energy is a big part of doing keys, dont ever let bleeds run out

[marble hemlock]

does it happen? sure. is it the games fault for proccing your tea? absolutely not.

[subtle tundra]

yea let me approximate the fact that these mobs die in 13 seconds and the bleeds run out in 8 and i should refresh

[crimson current]

you can be low on energy if theres only 2 mobs

[inland escarp]

Everyone is apparently perfect in this discord 😍

[coral ibex]

i know you have this i’m a boomer i know better bit that you do but literally just consider you might not be playing optimal for like 8 seconds

[crimson current]

and u still need to do damage

[marble hemlock]

has nothing to do with approximation. you refresh bleeds

the #1, 2 and 3 core tenants of the spec is: dont let your bleeds drop

[faint vessel]

But before change we weren’t supposed to completely spend all of our energy

[real granite]

brother, can i know whats the problem with not having played assa before, or enought time for to your liking, to have an opinion? 😂

[fresh kelp]

You get energy back based on remaining rupture duration, may help with your energy problems to refresh before they die

[marble hemlock]

besides, we used to play sudden demise. how in the world was it not worth BEFORE the change, to refresh bleeds?

[subtle tundra]

yea ok

pointless to argument this

[marble hemlock]

so clearly people shouldve gotten used to refreshing bleeds before anyway

[crimson current]

thats not the problem we are talking about

[marble hemlock]

like, i get the frustration. but youre upset at the wrong thing

[subtle tundra]

fr? fr?

damn

shouldve realised this in the past 8 years

[tight compass]

dont think there is anything to argue, refreshing bleeds is the right play anytime

[subtle tundra]

no it isnt

[inland escarp]

People bout to teach the dude who’s killed queen how to rogue 💀

[jaunty lotus]

Question for someone new to assa in m+, do you refresh bleeds on everything or just one?

[marble hemlock]

sometimes i sit in raid and dont pay attention and end up opening on a boss withotu poisons on. could i blame the game for not having them permanent or auto-applying? yeah. am i gonna do that? hell no

[swift dagger]

Depends how long mobs will live.

and if I have vanish up or not etc

[dusty crescent]

i've had to reapply poisons mid raid fight

[oak eagle]

most of the time, you should be keeping 5 ruptures up for 20% extra agi

[dusty crescent]

dodging swirlies trying to put on deadly poison

lol

[crimson current]

i get what my boy varas is saying

[dusty crescent]

embarrassing

[subtle tundra]

well i think it happens once per expansion for me

[crimson current]

and im with him

[subtle tundra]

so youre just bad

[dusty crescent]

Many people don't like auto tea

[marble hemlock]

and like, seriously. whats the argument for not refreshing bleeds when mobs are low HP when we played sudden demise ever since its creation and have only stopped playing it VERY recently? how is that not something that is just as stuck in your muscle memory as dumping energy sub 30?

[dusty crescent]

other people are cool with it

[glad tusk]

on packs more then 5 mobs u dont keep rupture, besides just 5 mobs?

[coral ibex]

“i don’t wanna”

[dusty crescent]

but they're also right about refreshing your bleeds no matter what bro

[heady ridge]

yeah but is it worth it to spend gcds refreshing bleeds on a pack thats dying before i finish spreading bleeds instead of just pumping on the caustic spatter target?

[crimson current]

cause M+ is different from raiding

[subtle tundra]

you guys, do you know what caustic is

and how good it is

[coral ibex]

bro just wants to slam env and auto tea

[marble hemlock]

yes, 100%. when i pull without poisons on, thats 100% my issue

[subtle tundra]

and how much envenom does

[dusty crescent]

it's okay, i've done this too, we're only human

[subtle tundra]

if all the mobs are less than 10% hp i dont go around dotting all of them

[random fossil]

whats the current m+ build without sudden demise

[marble hemlock]

huh? your argument is "when theres just 1 mob left wiht low hp why would i refresh bleed". what value does caustic have against a single mob with low hp?

[dusty crescent]

i once got a 99 parse

[brave vector]

If you don’t have bleeds up for energy you probably aren’t pumping anything into your spatter 😬

[crimson current]

is there a build without sudden demise?

[random fossil]

apparently

[subtle tundra]

i feel like none of you have been in a key before

[marble hemlock]

if "all the mobs" are 10% hp and you dont have ANY Bleed on ANY of them, so you end up envenoming, thats a skill issue.

[subtle tundra]

and just go of off twitch strimmers

[coral ibex]

me when i would rather have -20% agi and spam envenoms

[subtle tundra]

💀

[coral ibex]

just refresh big dog

[subtle tundra]

dude fuck off

youre annoying

[oak eagle]

i generally go on 6 mobs, same with my garrotes, but depending on key level, you shouldnt be needing to reapply ruptures in the packs

[fleet pagoda]

there's a few options juggling ttk, ma, dropping sb, and such. can sim them for yourself. think taking subterfuge and ma/ttk dropping demise/sb is the cook right now but i aint been checkin for a bit

[grim jay]

The new ones

[crimson current]

bro we are not complaining about aoe

[coral ibex]

stay mad about auto tea

[crimson current]

literally said end of thepack

[dusty crescent]

its rare i gotta refresh bleeds,but it has happened

[subtle tundra]

i literally said its just annoying and i dont care about it

other than that

[wise whale]

God I love cock

[subtle tundra]

but your reading comprehension is in the dirt

[dusty crescent]

okay okay

[marble hemlock]

bro, i love you, but are you really trying to pull that argument with me?

[crimson current]

nice!

[coral ibex]

yea that’s why you’ve been posting about it nearly daily

[oak eagle]

yeah same here, but i think im getting to the key level where im gonna have to start reapplying

[fresh kelp]

it’s also good damage to rupture so you have energy for sanguine blades next pack

[coral ibex]

you post about auto tea bc you don’t care

[random fossil]

yea thats what ive been running, just havent checked this chat in a while so wondering if there was something new, ty!

[subtle tundra]

yes back in the day youd rupture

[crimson current]

i care about auto tea

[subtle tundra]

at the end of packs

[chilly shadow]

Lets say scenario is 3 mobs and ruptures all looking to fall off just before they die in 15 sec. what do you do ?

[crimson current]

idc about the dps loss

[subtle tundra]

cause rupture was good and nothing else worth to do

[marble hemlock]

you bleed?!?

[faint kelp]

Press tea

[grim jay]

Rupture bcs the limit is like 8s iirc not 15

[oak eagle]

did a 13NW last night, and and things were living just long enough not needing to reapply

[wise whale]

Can we have slice n dice back plz

[oak eagle]

well you still have the button

you just dont need to press the button anymore

[crimson current]

why would you want that

[wise whale]

I like the sound

[marble hemlock]

the answer certainly aint "lemme start starving energy, not get sanguine blades value anymore, not be able to refresh caustic cuz no rupture on my main target, and not have any scent stacks"

[crimson current]

fair enough

[random fossil]

i miss sepsis garrote

[subtle tundra]

and a certain thing that 100% happens

[subtle tundra]

is in big pulls your rupture targets can die and youre left with non ruptured targets

[wise whale]

Ty davyn

[subtle tundra]

at 5% hp

[little tulip]

besides 10 is still tyr + fort unless you're hand waving about people with 628 making 10s free

[subtle tundra]

i throw a rupture a mutilate

and do some spatter

at the end

[marble hemlock]

sure. but then you check how many bleeds you have and consider whether you re-bleed some of the higher HP ones, both for prio damage and energy sustain

[crimson current]

nah apparently they just play with assa as the only prio in their 12+

[marble hemlock]

longer stealth windows/master assassin value

[subtle tundra]

i do man but it takes too short or the pull duration to get to energy saturation

yes the theory is simple

the practice is something else

[severe canyon]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[marble hemlock]

why is that? is it cuz you only cast ruptures in opener and the pack lives long enough for all of them to expire simultaneously?

[unreal geode]

oh shit ty i was just about to ask abt plater

[grim jay]

Did you try rupturing the other targets?

[fresh kelp]

when my 6 ruptured prio targets all die before the smallies due to incidental cleave

[chilly shadow]

but what im missing here is why would i be starving on energy if the mobs theoreticaly are dead just after my ruptures. I dont need the infusion of energy from mobs dying while ruptured since there is travel time to next pack.

[marble hemlock]

why arent you re-rupturing when those ruptures hit pandemic?

[royal lantern]

fuck you

[brave vector]

I think it’s meant to be a little better in higher keys cause demise not having as much value

[grim jay]

Dont say that, I even made it for you back then and it aint easy on the phone!

[marble hemlock]

you have 300 max energy and ~12energy/sec passive regen, if you dump energy when the pack is dead, youd need a hell of a lot of time to regen energy back to full

[wise whale]

HI HALLO AM RET PALADIN HOW U DOIN

[crimson current]

in the end of the pack i certainly will rupture no prio target below 10% hp

[spice spire]

Would you tho

[crimson current]

yeaaa!!

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yescat-cat-nodding-nod-gif-21702876

[dusty crescent]

the amount of rets i play with who murder my caustic target makes me extremely irate

[spice spire]

Nice

[hollow stone]

game’s empty and dead

[spring stream]

soo many cash

[arctic socket]

Rets do be pumpin

But in 11+ we shine

[spice spire]

Call me a ret

[grim jay]

If the mobs die fast enough for rupture not being worth you might aswell not send dry envenoms until you are out of energy

[wise whale]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 30 second wings

[unreal geode]

Do rogues regen energy out of combat faster?

[arctic socket]

Fucking rat

[grim jay]

My mother told me to not call people the r word

[little tulip]

did someone say yheres a rat

[hollow stone]

no

[crimson current]

i mean

[dusty crescent]

it's 10 am bro, people are at work

[dusty crescent]

I have mount with macro yelling "It smells like broke bitches in here"

[hollow stone]

impossible

[wise whale]

MERICA

[quiet oar]

Its 14:40

[subtle tundra]

you rupture a target and pump it with caustic, its not dry, its full of spatter

[crimson current]

with vanish we have 24s of rupture and garrote aoe, the point im trying to say is the END OF THE PACK

[dusty crescent]

european detected

[topaz oar]

Gentlemen, is there a way Whispyrs WA profile tracks Blindside?

Am i missing something because i cant see it

[drowsy hatch]

I mean doesnt it just replace your mut

[coral ibex]

do you need to track blindside

[dusty crescent]

yeh

[grim jay]

And what forces you to completely empty your energy bar instead of doing 1 builder less

[coral ibex]

you just press mutilate

[grim jay]

You didnt read it at all

[topaz oar]

actually yes, its a free combo points

[crimson current]

ok

[subtle tundra]

the fact that lets say that mob has a cast or a tank buster or an aoe

or that i want to restealth faster

[arctic socket]

Reading isn’t a rogues strong suit

[dusty crescent]

i have def vanished so i can spam ruptures without tabbing, i'm not ashamed to say

[spice spire]

Reading is a choice brøther

[coral ibex]

no, you just press your mut key

[fresh kelp]

then that’s a worthy use of tea to kill it faster

[topaz oar]

I got accustomed to it with Luxtos indication

[coral ibex]

there’s nothing to track

[crimson current]

def i didnt read it all

[coral ibex]

you can’t press mutilate with blindside up

[brave vector]

Pretty sure just naturally doing your rotation uses the procs up pretty optimally

[subtle tundra]

its still something that i dont agree should be there

[grim jay]

The triple response, am I the next Whispyr?

[quiet oar]

God i wish i was the mut

[marble hemlock]

well, the idea is to refresh bleeds and not just spam envenom for 24 seconds and suddenly be caught with your pants down and all bleeds expiring at the same itme

[spice spire]

Ur himothy

[spice spire]

Hey king

[marble hemlock]

this is why IC is fucking garbage, it taught people to not play the spec

[quiet oar]

Hey QT

[grim jay]

So how many times that one builder would make a difference?

[grim jay]

Based

[subtle tundra]

it doesnt matter man

[drowsy hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/vorzek-vorzneck-oglg-og-lol-gang-gif-24901093

[subtle tundra]

its the fact that i have the energy to use it

and i cant?

[grim jay]

It does because its the difference in relevance

[subtle tundra]

idk

its annoying

thats my point

thats why im arguing this

[grim jay]

You are either complaining about something that has impact or something that happens once every blue moon

[subtle tundra]

it happens often enough

[crimson current]

no but for them u are a bad player

cause u let it happen

like is totally avoidable

100% avoidable

in all situations

[marble hemlock]

again, i get that its annoying, my question is always just "isnt that a skill issue" and the response is always "errm ACKSHUALLY" with like 17 hypotheticals that all kinda contradict one another or strawman like "DO YOU EVEN PLAY THE GAME"

[grim jay]

Can you like stop being obnoxious trying to heat the discussion with shit noone even remotely said

Ty

[arctic socket]

Why all this arguments

[subtle tundra]

but why was that added though

[arctic socket]

Let go back to the feet conversation

[marble hemlock]

again

[subtle tundra]

dont give me

[arctic socket]

And vault picture

[subtle tundra]

the less button

[marble hemlock]

cause button bloat annoyed people

[dusty crescent]

hey gus

[crimson current]

not trying to heat the discussion

[marble hemlock]

and because a lot of people talented the skill but never used it as a result

[subtle tundra]

yea im looking for buttons to press now

[dusty crescent]

rate my talent build for m+ i think i'm cooking

[crimson current]

u ltierally said i read nothing

[heady ridge]

we rogues we petty, keep fighting

[dusty crescent]

still waiting for my payment smh

[nova aspen]

[crimson current]

when what u said doesnt even make sense with what we were saying

[arctic socket]

The goat

[grim jay]

You did, because noone said varas is bad. We know eachother for nearly a decade by now

[little tulip]

been playing outlaw since friday maximum

[cunning basin]

You're huge

[arctic socket]

Toes are more then 50k

[brave vector]

This is literally the reason though. More people said they wanted less buttons than not so they gave it a passive component

[crimson current]

like the point was not reaplying ruptures in aoe lol

[dusty crescent]

are they fuckin gold plated? damn

[brave comet]

whats the point of vanishing during KB and DM?

[marble hemlock]

realistically, the tea change is an improvement for a bunch of people, and for those who care about hyper minmaxing, it SHOULD not affect them in any way whatsoever.

[grim jay]

After the gold yes

[marble hemlock]

unless they play bad

[warm vortex]

How much longer for us reset

[subtle tundra]

it affect me mentally

[arctic socket]

Why is auto tea getting hate man? Bind a charge to shiv then forget about it existing

[coral ibex]

master assassin

[drowsy hatch]

To activate master assassin for extra crit

[stray adder]

1h12min

[dusty crescent]

apparently 50k isn't enough for toes

what a world

[little tulip]

but like they're even more skill sissue

[crimson current]

and theres what i said about being bad lol

[subtle tundra]

i see tea proc at the end of the pack and i tilt

[crimson current]

XDD

[grim jay]

Idk I wouldnt pay for toes

[subtle tundra]

(tilt is a big word, im annoyed)

[limber lion]

You might overlap 2 tea's with that, which I think some people don't like

[marble hemlock]

so you can either be someone who wants to hyper minmax and care about how your tea is used, but that should also mean you should care about not making glaring mistakes.

[fresh kelp]

There’s a difference between being bad, and misplaying

[marble hemlock]

or you can not care

[dusty crescent]

neither would I but i like memeing about feet

[grim jay]

Doing something badly in a situation doesnt equal being bad

[arctic socket]

Midmaxin tea is probably like 1-2% damage who cares

[limber lion]

Based.

[brave comet]

has to be during not before right?

[royal lantern]

its 0,18% lol

[limber lion]

It's true.

[stray adder]

what are we yappin about, I wanna join in

[drowsy hatch]

Doesnt have to be but it should be since the end of KB is better than the beginning

[crimson current]

auto tea

[subtle tundra]

like counting my energy to get past 80 is actually such a dogshit thing to do

[cunning basin]

I just slam my buttons and if tea procs it procs

[marble hemlock]

and like, ye, gameplay mistakes do happen to everyone. and its frustrating. but how does being frustrated with the game make you avoid that situation in the future?

[coral ibex]

nah bro you only do 10’s you don’t get how big of a loss it is

[stray adder]

oh hell naw

[dusty crescent]

poors are mad they don't have brfuto mount

[arctic socket]

Auto tea is the best change to happen since they capped kingsbane

[little tulip]

1 tea for first deathmark hurts

[limber lion]

That's pretty washed

[warm vortex]

Perspiring for vault pics

[little tulip]

so you just back way off or ur whole damage window goes lol

[royal lantern]

allright, THATS a take

[cunning basin]

Terrible take

[arctic socket]

Lmao

[cunning basin]

Definitely bait

[limber lion]

Baiter master

[subtle tundra]

what does that have to do when i spam the mutilate button

[limber lion]

Masturbator

[subtle tundra]

like any human

[arctic socket]

Funny take n yes exactly

[nova aspen]

[subtle tundra]

that plays a spec

[marble hemlock]

if youre spamming mutilate without thinking about it, youre playing the spec wrong

[coral ibex]

you really expect me to use my ui to my advantage cmon bro get real

[subtle tundra]

dont tell me to not spam mutilate button

[arctic socket]

Why can’t I spam my multi button

[subtle tundra]

literally the core of the pool mechanic was to spam mutilate and wait on finisher

[arctic socket]

We got let infinite energy during cds

[stray adder]

yeah why dude?

[marble hemlock]

idk man, outlaw is right around the corner, you can spam buttons there, with 0.8sec GCD instead of 1sec too!

[dusty crescent]

what if i like mutilate sound?

[arctic socket]

Wish they would add dust to sin

[subtle tundra]

its completely opposite to how we managed energy

[marble hemlock]

assa plays the fastest it has in years and people complain about the spec not being fast enough

[arctic socket]

That would be sick

[subtle tundra]

I COMPLAIN ABOUT M+

[cunning basin]

But I hate thinking and love spamming, you're telling me this spec doesn't play like gcd capped fury warrior/enh shaman?? 😠

[subtle tundra]

WHERE THE SPEC IS OMEGA SLOW

[marble hemlock]

it still plays faster in m+ than it did before bud

[subtle tundra]

does it?

[marble hemlock]

yes

[grim jay]

Brother in german thats actually exactly what it sounds like aswell

[quiet oar]

I mean

[grim jay]

[stray adder]

we have a 2-3 business days opener in m+

[marble hemlock]

because haste isnt a dead stat for m+ anymore

[quiet oar]

Sin is the boomer spec

[subtle tundra]

i doubt it does

[marble hemlock]

i mean

you can doubt all you want

[crimson current]

i mean, for higher keys we are fine

[dusty crescent]

so real for this

[marble hemlock]

but haste was a dead stat for us before, sbs qol opener didnt exist either

[fresh kelp]

TTK and if you are going full scoundrel for higher keys it’s certainly faster

[limber lion]

https://tenor.com/view/barbie-ryan-gosling-wink-margot-robbie-handsome-gif-7779535681814001194

[stray adder]

"I'm catching up guys, oh nvm the pack is dead"

[unreal geode]

I hated sin before and I only played sub and outlaw, but I agree. Though i still kinda hate dot gameplay

[dusty crescent]

i'm sitting 600k dps people already 5mil, then when mobs are 50% hp i catch up...

all of a sudden rocket man

[marble hemlock]

people just learned bad habits from s3/s4 dragonflight. unlucky.

[brave vector]

It’s pretty crazy to watch someone tell seli he’s wrong about everything assa rogue

[quiet oar]

Tricks them and kill them

[cunning basin]

I crank every pull cds or no and end up ahead of the frost dks usually

[halcyon grail]

i definitely dont think my ramp up in AoE keys is that slow. Envenom more.

[subtle tundra]

i raid logged for the whole of df

[crimson current]

nobody said hes wrong about everything

[marble hemlock]

you aint playing s3 set anymore, theres no reason to chain envenoms on st in m+ unless youre mid KB. learn to pool.

[grim jay]

That sounds a bit dramatic

[subtle tundra]

i literally pool

idk man

[spice spire]

Pool this pal

[marble hemlock]

in fact, spamming multiple envenoms in ST is bad play in m+ cuz you aint building 20 amp stacks between envenoms without TTK/imp poisons

[random fossil]

say less

[grim jay]

Dog?

[spice spire]

Yeah what’s good

[stray adder]

all i have to say about that is skibidi bop

[subtle tundra]

whatever youre derailing

[grim jay]

El poolos des nuttos

Is that right?

[drowsy hatch]

god I wish I was a pool

[spice spire]

HUH

[subtle tundra]

i hate tea change, im gonna continue going against it

[fresh kelp]

pooling includes not spamming mutilate tho, is there a big difference between mashing mut to 5cp then waiting 4s to envenom vs. waiting 2s between mut gcds to not run out of energy/proc tea

[crimson current]

i wish i was at a pool

[cunning basin]

I just slam my buttons in St and pretend that if I get beat it's cuz my kb didn't crit 👍

[real granite]

the autotea eternal argument... its like an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object

[quiet oar]

I thought about the same joke

[subtle tundra]

well pooling until this patch has been spam builder asap and wait on finisher

[marble hemlock]

and im gonna keep calling people out for it when they whine about it when they just need to adapt to play better/differently than theyre used to.

[dusty crescent]

the 2-3 business days comment... I'm going to make a macro on a large pull for this...

[quiet oar]

Same

[royal lantern]

tbf, if anyone here can do something like that its Varas, cus Varas actually plays on a higher level and not "im stuck at 6/8heroic, what race should i play for more dps" then some other people here

[spice spire]

I’m rubbing off on you Tira

Bad news

I fucked up

[dusty crescent]

tfw i'm 8/8 heroic pug

[grim jay]

Imagine some nasty people swimming in you and peeing

[subtle tundra]

i changed to orc for more dps after 8 or so years

[random fossil]

theres a race change that will unstuck me??

[dusty crescent]

but i can't do 8/8heroic with my own guild

[subtle tundra]

im a dissapointment

[dusty crescent]

big sad

[crimson current]

idk what both of them do but playing 12+ i suffer the same from varas

[spice spire]

Need that

[marble hemlock]

fundamentally i dont think varas is telling me im wrong. he just finds it frustrating, and im trying to tell him that he needs to get over that mental blockade 😛

[drowsy hatch]

please say less

[cunning basin]

Hey I'll have you know I went dwarf for stoneform and stoneform exclusively(I don't trust my dispel bots((healers)))

[marble hemlock]

i get the frustration tho

[wise whale]

Any diddy enjoyers in chat

[grim jay]

Its not that bad brother

[drowsy hatch]

I'm already there

[royal lantern]

is the tea change a bit weird and should have probably be done as a "chose 1 " node instead? yeha sure, i think everyone agrees there

is it a big deal in the first place? not at all

[cunning basin]

Brother.

[dusty crescent]

i'm contemplating dwarf but i hate alliance so much

[marble hemlock]

i sometimes sit in KB without envenom up cause i misplayed

[royal lantern]

thats the entire Tea thing

[little tulip]

2 pieced brood and kyveza on heroic this week, pugs keep calling it there before doing silken

[subtle tundra]

thanks for the fun
im gonna go commute home so i cant continue!

[quiet oar]

Hi Dissapointment im tira

[drowsy hatch]

Its funny cause I do agree with varas but its just not enough for me to care to argue

[grim jay]

@spice spire @drowsy hatch you guys are wild

[marble hemlock]

GL brother, xoxo

[spice spire]

Wdym

[cunning basin]

I also hate alliance but I can guarantee if you're interested in doing keys in any capacity it's worth

[crimson current]

the thing varas is saying is that sometimes is unavoidable being out of energy to proc auto tea on a high key

[marble hemlock]

it is never unavoidable

[wise whale]

glad im not the only one

[crimson current]

cause theory is theory and practice is practice

[versed zinc]

Any advice on how to manage dots in lower keys? I'm mostly doing 7s/8s atm. Getting dots up on 7 mobs but then usually everything's dead before I can get caustic going. Can't feel out when to put them all up and when to only apply 3 and then rip

[marble hemlock]

it does happen. but its never unavoidable.

[quiet oar]

Quake has also the name "MakeitWild"

[royal lantern]

and you think seli doesnt play the game and has practice?

[coral ibex]

you are the one spending energy

so yes it is avoidable

[marble hemlock]

the only time its unavoidable is when you try to pool but your cat runs over the keyboard and hits your mutilate button a few more times

[crimson current]

yea but the way u were saying to me was literally because of mistakes

[cunning basin]

Fuckin hate when that happens

[drowsy hatch]

I'm just trying to break up the auto tea by hornyposting man

[marble hemlock]

because it is a mistake.

[coral ibex]

it is a mistake

don’t make it a personal attack

[spice spire]

Mf stealing my flow bar for bar

[marble hemlock]

making mistakes isnt a bad thing

its how we learn and get better

[crimson current]

yea ik

[grim jay]

Only censored bunnygirl cosplays might help

[coral ibex]

people whose whole identity is “i am good at x” take criticism like this very poorly

[quiet oar]

God i wish was the auto tea

[random fossil]

"Making mistakes is the path to wisdom" - Gabe Newell

[spice spire]

Nah seli is immune

[fresh kelp]

I get a little annoyed when I proc auto tea but also it’s an easy sign that I messed up to learn from

[drowsy hatch]

I need to shop for that still

[marble hemlock]

i hate to say it, but the outlaw-colored person is right

[spice spire]

Only thing that makes seli horny is being technically correct

And man is a gooner

[marble hemlock]

it is the best kind of correct, tbf

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/emiru-tiktok-bunny-girl-mai-sakurajima-cute-gif-18114280

@marble hemlock

[cunning basin]

HUH?

[little tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/yerba-mate-ryan-gosling-gif-8608917667370578977

[drowsy hatch]

I just wanna be drank man

[little tulip]

they haven't had the brand in months

[marble hemlock]

you and i both know that i get horny from a lot of other things, bud

[stray adder]

accelerate your opener, get to caustic spatter/envenom spam faster

[spice spire]

Ur so real for that

[random fossil]

finally a conversation i can get behind

[spice spire]

Yeah

[drowsy hatch]

i'm real as it gets

[quiet oar]

Have you tried

[cunning basin]

I gotchu

[quiet oar]

drinking then?

[cunning basin]

I mean-

[drowsy hatch]

I already downed an entire 64 oz gas station drink of mt dew zero

[marble hemlock]

i.e. i remember when you posted a pic of george but there were like 2 of your very suckable toes in the pic too

[spice spire]

That’s not true at all you’re just one of the silly people in my phone

[grim jay]

Man what

[crimson current]

7-8 ig u should open with ambush garrote rupture and maybe mutilate to envenom

[spice spire]

Two of my WHAT

[brave vector]

Usually I’ll just go garrote > rupture and then let it rip

[marble hemlock]

did i stutter?

[grim jay]

You are the last one I expect something like that from

[crimson current]

idk if its worth CT depending how fast mobs are dying

[grim jay]

Holy shit

[stray adder]

oh yes, definitely CT

[quiet oar]

Quaketoes !?

[marble hemlock]

im not actually into feet, but i like making quake feel weirded out

[real granite]

Ironic that the tea changes has something in common with he affix changes. Considering the game design of : Complete a minigame = save your self from something bad happening to Complete a minigame = something good happen. And this has psicological roots. Its more enjoyable to the mind the second one.

[spice spire]

No but I wish you did

[grim jay]

Thats based, same

I only do it for varas

[random fossil]

tea conversation is over, homoerotic #assassination is back lfgg

[grim jay]

And the memes

[crimson current]

yea, i just dont know howfast mobs die at 7s

[marble hemlock]

thats a good take, i fully agree. one of the main issues i have with wow is that it constantly introduces a lot of friction to the players gameplay enjoyment, in the hopes that overcoming said friction causes some sort of cathartic moment that makes you feel more invested and happy

[versed zinc]

Okay thanks, the talk about what people do in 10s keeping bleeds up 100% was wrinkling my brain, stuff dies so fast in 7s/8s

[marble hemlock]

but it just feels shit

like when i get parried. fuck that dogass mechanic. why not just reward me for standing behind the mob, instead of punishing me for standing in front of it, especially with how dogass hitboxes are

[quiet oar]

Getting parried and losing your Supercharger and DN

[worldly sail]

parry is a mechanic thats designed to check if players are smart enough to reroll ranged

(im not)

[spice surge]

Just dont get parried #subtlety

[brave vector]

If there’s a ret in my group I just garrote > rupture > tempest to snipe demise procs cause the pack is going to get bursted in their first 3 globals anyway 😅

[spice surge]

[marble hemlock]

ye i just want people to accept that sub has a raidbuff

that removes parry

[worldly sail]

just be tricky

[quiet oar]

ASHKUALLY

Outlaw has it too

[coral ibex]

other games have positional bonuses and they aren’t fun or engaging, just a pain in the ass during movement mechanics

[marble hemlock]

but outlaw aint playing trickster in a million years

[crimson current]

yea but you need cps to CT after rupture

[quiet oar]

[crimson current]

so you lose 1 or 2 gcds until ct

[wise whale]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-diddy-diddy-party-gif-17612061049612945331

[quiet oar]

Maybe if they change Killing Spree

[marble hemlock]

idk, i personally liked front or back attackers in lost ark. entropy took it a bit too far, but the overall concept? yeah, its nice.

[spice surge]

Ye but nobody is playing killing (yourself) spree

[crimson current]

ingame ofc

[spice surge]

Cant be casting killing spree every 20s

[quiet oar]

Just be a chad and play Trickster without Killing (yourself) Spree

[marble hemlock]

then youre still playing outlaw

[grim jay]

You could in theory with subter just ct after first rupture

[spice surge]

[grim jay]

And rupture the 2nd time after that

[primal oasis]

Parry is a thing in retail?

[grim jay]

If you were too scared to lose some ct dmg

[quiet oar]

Kyveza Parrying my KB

[drowsy hatch]

Yes, it is thematic after all

[quiet oar]

[dusty crescent]

oh that wasn't meme?

bro that's wild

[grim jay]

I wouldnt parry your King

[primal oasis]

Is it super rare or something? Never noticed it happening

[marble hemlock]

it definitely was not

[grim jay]

Eh what

[crimson current]

how do you get cps after the rupture?

[dusty crescent]

i'd just alt f4

[marble hemlock]

i had 2 KB parries on our ovinax kill this week

[dusty crescent]

act like i dc'd

[crimson current]

or did you mean garrote

[grim jay]

Sbs

[dusty crescent]

i'd be done for the night

[drowsy hatch]

happens in raid sadly

[crimson current]

oh i dont play sbs anymore

[grim jay]

Rip

Sad to hear

[crimson current]

i dont think m+ builds take sbs anymore

[primal oasis]

And it only happens when you stand in front of boss right?

[grim jay]

They do

[quiet oar]

Fun fact

Crimson Tempest

[spice surge]

You can if you want to

[quiet oar]

Can be parreid too

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/UN3ug6h.jpeg

[drowsy hatch]

yes but the "front" is like 300 degrees

[marble hemlock]

love this game

[grim jay]

And Whispyr advises against dropping sbs in his pin even

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/big-oof-size-small-medium-switch-gif-17355313

[crimson current]

i was a big fan but changed to ttk and MA

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/Gukhjju.jpeg

[crimson current]

with subt

[quiet oar]

Should get a bit more Expertise

[marble hemlock]

me standing "in front" of the boss btw

[crimson current]

with sbs its fineuseing ct after the rupture ofc

[hollow cedar]

ovinax is really good at parrying

[grim jay]

Can play that with sbs aswell

[quiet oar]

You need 26 Expertise Seli

[grim jay]

I do

[brave vector]

You do, that’s why you can just drop a CT out of first rupture, you get the SBS points

[crimson current]

but you dont play MA and TTK right?

[marble hemlock]

ye sorry, didnt have time to farm magisters terrace for shard of contempt

[dusty crescent]

rogues do it from behind

you should know this

[grim jay]

I do

[crimson current]

send me your build

[quiet oar]

Unlucky + Skill issue

[fresh kelp]

If you’re doing low enough keys that a ret can delete a pack in 3 globals u should prob swap to sbs to accelerate your ramp

[crimson current]

im interested

cause i wasa fan of sbs

[crimson current]

bro what is happening with my spacebar

[grim jay]

Its Whispyr and armins OG cook

[crimson current]

will try it later

[marble hemlock]

do you have a version for human eyes?

[fresh kelp]

Low enough key drop ttk for sd to snipe all the pad

[dusty crescent]

doing sub 10 keys is awful i think my dps friends have a WA that tracks my caustic target and they single target kill it

[slim swallow]

@davyn whats ur IO?

[dusty crescent]

there's no way it should happen this often

[crimson current]

yes please

[grim jay]

I wish, its a screenshot of a screenshot

[dusty crescent]

no one can defeat my M+ build

[worldly sail]

surely it's not your own cooldowns nuking the target

[marble hemlock]

we gotta go deeper

take a phone screenshot of it

[dusty crescent]

when it takes 2-3 business days to start cooking

[marble hemlock]

then upload it with bad compression, add an ifunny watermark

[dusty crescent]

nah

[marble hemlock]

and then we cooking

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/dolphin-painting-artist-talent-i-am-artiste-gif-4614293

[crimson current]

and i just screenshoted the screenshot of a screenshot

[wise mist]

https://tenor.com/view/once-again-asking-gif-23591400

[slim swallow]

@grim jay whats ur IO?

[wise mist]

i am once again asking for a mythic track weapon or skardyn

[dusty crescent]

imma unironically run it in a 10 today

[nova aspen]

dolphins are so smart

[dusty crescent]

XD

[grim jay]

Thats fucking art

[crimson current]

brainrot time

[woeful meteor]

best part is how you can get parried and still top bos dmg/have good overall on that fight

[primal oasis]

German

[drowsy hatch]

poggies

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/ke92bCl.jpeg

[crimson current]

holy shit thats another level

[stray adder]

World of Warcraft has begun once again

[sullen mural]

anyone on this grind aswell or

[slim swallow]

@grim jay whats ur IO?

[grim jay]

If Whispyr sees this he will try to recreate the camera angle again

[quiet oar]

OH GOD

[slim swallow]

Yeah i got this 😄

[grim jay]

Lower than varas

[woeful meteor]

[grim jay]

That looks cursed

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-hmm-pepehmm-table-council-gif-16396395487368552941

[sullen mural]

sims highest for me in m+

[stray adder]

is that chewbacca

[dusty crescent]

workstation

[marble hemlock]

ye, i write guides for it

[slim swallow]

@sullen mural -Dashing scoundrel and 1 point in sudden demise

[wise whale]

LILIANANA CAUGHT IN 4K

[grim jay]

Holy frick

[wise river]

why is transmitter simming higher than ska grace?

[sullen mural]

Sims lower for me

[drowsy hatch]

its monke

[wise whale]

NICE HAIR

[sullen mural]

Sudden feels fake anyways

imo

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-should-been-gif-23901254

[stray adder]

transmitter is very strong but kinda aids to use

[dusty crescent]

how does one sim diff talent combos without it hitting 46 gorillion different combinations

[drowsy hatch]

no im not monke

i promise

[dusty crescent]

nice

[slim swallow]

@sullen mural Ill try withouth now, i see it only did 20mill in +12

[wise whale]

PROVE IT

[marble hemlock]

set up multiple loadouts you wanna sim ingame, then you can select the loadouts themselves in topgear

[dusty crescent]

aight that's my last one

[grim jay]

Well the bleed dmg is good but I dont think its really necessary

[drowsy hatch]

tis an impossible task

[sullen mural]

xdd

[stray adder]

the shitposting is real

[dusty crescent]

ah ok, so you just try cookin

[stray adder]

holy f

[wise river]

should i sync every transmitter with deathmark?

[sullen mural]

yes

[drowsy hatch]

yeah transmitter with dm is gud

[wise whale]

sync with snd

[marble hemlock]

thats usually how we end up finding out what the bestb uild is, yes

[grim jay]

[marble hemlock]

a combination of just simming all the different options against one another, while also trying to optimize the APL for each version

and then eventually one comes out on top

[dusty crescent]

i thought there was a way to just sim like 10 diff talents on one build and like lock certaint talent nodes

[marble hemlock]

you can do that too, ye

[quiet oar]

God i wish i was the one talent loadout

[wise whale]

COOMER

[marble hemlock]

idk, you strike me more as a bottom performer

[grim jay]

Rip tira

[drowsy hatch]

yeah we're bottom people here

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

[wise whale]

https://tenor.com/view/diddy-snapchat-diddy-diddy-snapchat-sean-combs-combs-gif-5773453527942111385

[spice spire]

Speak for urself

[drowsy hatch]

prove it

[spice spire]

Never bottomed a day in my life

I will bud don’t test me

[dusty crescent]

missionary, eye contact, no blinking

[wise whale]

Have u heard of lord and savior

[young sluice]

how do you set this up on raidbots?

[royal lantern]

stuart?

[dusty crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/mother-of-god-jesus-christmas-gif-27195050

[sullen steppe]

If we blast our single target opener on sikran are we cucked from hitting the boss cause he teleports away at the end of kingsbane and is that just something we have to deal with

[marble hemlock]

i was gonna say "someone meow to summon quake" but hes already here again cuz someone posted smth horny

[wise whale]

Diddy

[marble hemlock]

those are the 2 things that summon him

[marble hemlock]

smth we gotta deal with

[sullen steppe]

it is what it is

[marble hemlock]

KB is maxed by that point anyway so its not a big deal

[royal lantern]

uhm there are 3

cute Pet pics

[marble hemlock]

you just lose some autos and might overacp energy for a sec

but KB will do the same damage at that point, whether you hit the boss or not

[wise whale]

Guys i really wanna know what asmr stands for

[dusty crescent]

didn't see him when I posted my dog

and if someone is saying my dog isn't cute

HANDS

[marble hemlock]

autonomous sensory meridian response

[dusty crescent]

creepy dudes gooning to women whispering

[stray adder]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-asmr-gif-9370173392474378875

[brave vector]

Not having played MA, I’m assuming the best place to use vanish is with KB having 6 seconds left?

[marble hemlock]

yes

[brave vector]

So just immediately after shiv?

[wise whale]

OK TY

[warped jackal]

what flask are you guys using for mythic plus

crit or masterty ?

[dusty crescent]

alchemical chaos

[quaint depot]

Why are we back to taking tricks instead of blackjack? Just curious, I know the wowhead guide had black jack before recent changes to the talent tree, but these 2 abilities do the same thing they did before the patch

[cunning basin]

Chaos

[warped jackal]

what about gems

[dusty crescent]

tanks no hold aggro

melee hits hurt

[wise whale]

baby oil

[static zealot]

is supercharger bugged? sometimes it doesnt trigger a deathstalkerstack I swear

[drowsy hatch]

alch chaos is my goat

[quaint depot]

so it was like, in theory black jack should be better but tanks suck

[dusty crescent]

the melee hits will slide off us

[dusty crescent]

real

[cunning basin]

If you're a weekly key enjoyer go tricks, if you're pushing keys take blackjack

[dusty crescent]

wait 2s shadowstep ambush get meleed

i've died more times than i can count to this

[warped jackal]

why Chaos is better why not use Best stats instead ?

[quiet oar]

@spice spire Is mine

[wise whale]

BUT EVERYTHING GETS PARRIED

[brave vector]

Tempered potion gives you all the stats not currently active with chaos

[marble hemlock]

utility nodes are smth people (myself included) dont always pay attention to when creating talent loadouts for guides. but for m+ you largely wanna play blackjack, yeah

[coral ibex]

which is our best stat then?

[quaint depot]

Yeah, ive been just using black jack anyways

i just wanted to know why im wrong

[marble hemlock]

ye

[drowsy hatch]

Can share?

[marble hemlock]

most tanks dont struggle with threat that much

[quaint depot]

but seems like im right for my use

[marble hemlock]

DK being the exception

[grim jay]

He just didnt change it

It sims the same

[dusty crescent]

idk chief, pulling aggro seems common rn

[grim jay]

So it just happened

[cunning basin]

You're not I just doesn't actually matter unless you're playing at a level where there's a chance of the tank dying

[quiet oar]

No

[drowsy hatch]

With utility you just gotta know what you want for your group

[warped jackal]

i would take it that for bursting is mastery ? that what sim tell me

[marble hemlock]

ive only ever seen warriors or enhance pulling threat

[drowsy hatch]

Hard to make a guide for it if they're very different

[marble hemlock]

ele cuz its busted, warriors cuz oogabooga brain

[warped jackal]

can you explain that i didnt understand

[cunning basin]

Like I said if you're just doing 10s go tricks bc you're likely not utilizing blackjack anyways

[coral ibex]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[fresh kelp]

Blinding mobs for the dr sounds like a recipe to potentially murder your tank by syncing melees

[dusty crescent]

me and my ret friend pull threat often

idk

[coral ibex]

all stats are good for assa

[stray adder]

what about int and str

[dusty crescent]

aoe 30% dr is pgood

[stray adder]

[marble hemlock]

eh, it breaks insta so it doesnt really sync melees

[quaint depot]

if your flask is giving you mastery, the tempered potion will give you + to alll stats except mastery

[grim jay]

What about all the other aoe stops that get used?

[marble hemlock]

most trash mobs are on 1.5sec or 2sec swings

[coral ibex]

gotta know which dagger to stab with

[marble hemlock]

so a 0.2sec blind aint messing with that

[cunning basin]

@stray adder you just make sure there's casters in the pack or have them back up a step to keep the melees desync'd

[worldly sail]

i just had a moment hitting dummies, i consumed DN and got DSM on the target, but also kept the DN buff and consumed it again 👍 good one blizzard

[warped jackal]

so i should go sim and do dungeon slice and choose chaos crit and mastery and see what yeild higher dps ?? is that more accurate ?

[stray adder]

why you tag me for

[cunning basin]

Oh wtf

I have no idea

[stray adder]

we fighting

you woke me up

[cunning basin]

Put em up

[stray adder]

after a 18 hours shift

[cunning basin]

Jokes on you now I'm going to bed

[warped jackal]

whaaaaaaaaaat .. how where when XD how did i miss that

[quaint depot]

Its all good, Alchemical is prob the best flask, Aggression may be or close, I havent simmed it

[warped jackal]

the tempered potion information made my head spin

[coral ibex]

no you should use chaos flask and tempered potions

[dusty crescent]

i'd love to have "unbuffed" 50% mastery but mastery flask not worth

[quaint depot]

Yeah, tempered potions and chaos flask is the way to go

thats what i do and i havent bothered to sim it, lol, it seems best

[coral ibex]

i have 53% mastery no flask

it’s lit

[quaint depot]

because i can only imgaine the guy who made the wowhead guide already did

[cunning basin]

Idc if it's best,I have 100 chaos flasks and 0 of the others kek

[crimson current]

just saw the build u sent before, is it actually worth dropping sanguine blades and sudden demise to get sbs?

[obsidian walrus]

for sims should we be using weekly now? or latest

[dusty crescent]

i'm at like... 44%?

38% crit

[warped jackal]

this is including all classes . i should always use choas ?? like for exmaple . warrior . DK . shaman etc

?

[coral ibex]

idk

i play rogue

[quaint depot]

for most classes yes

but probably not all

and many classes the other flasks are quite close

[marble hemlock]

with any other flask, you only get 3 secondaries during tempered pot, with alch chaos you get all 4 while also getting a secondary improved from the flask itself

thats why it ends up better for the most part

[cunning basin]

Consult class guides and discords

[warped jackal]

thanks for the info Guys that was helpfull

[quaint depot]

Oh really? nice. I just assuemd it didnt give you whatever the flask was on in the current moment

[brave vector]

The alchemical chaos flask gives you a rotating stat buff that doesn’t count as a “tempered flask” so you get 5 stat buffs vs 4

oop seli beat me to it

[cunning basin]

Yeah makes tempered pots giga value

[marble hemlock]

nah, tempered pot specifically only doesnt give the stat of the crit/vers/mastery/haste flask, alch chaos counts as not having any of those so you get all 4 from tempered pot

its nice

[quaint depot]

Yeah knowing that its not even close

[marble hemlock]

especially since all of our secondaries are pretty close in value

[quaint depot]

Youd have to REALLY want a certain stat to use the flask of stat

[cunning basin]

Not to mention since all our stats are relatively even the value of 3400 of any given stat is pretty close

Fuck

[marble hemlock]

iirc theres a few classes that would still prefer stat flask instead cuz theri secondaries arent nearly as evenly valued

[quaint depot]

like hunter and crit

[cunning basin]

Seli beat me to it lmao

[marble hemlock]

ye

[quaint depot]

crit > agi for hunter, so i assume they use the crit flask

[marble hemlock]

L+Ratio

getting beat by the old man

in typing fast

[cunning basin]

D:

I'm on mobile I choose to blame that

[dusty crescent]

someone @ me when US servers are up please 😄

[crimson current]

u should just drop hunter at this point

[quaint depot]

I dont play hunter lol

[dusty crescent]

i need to post my 3 garbage GV loots

i'mma end up getting a damn socket i just know it

[crimson current]

nice!

[cunning basin]

Crit>agi for dh too but that's cuz know your enemy is an insane talent

[crimson current]

big hunter hater here

[quaint depot]

My brother plays it, hes pretty unhappy with how sucky they are

Im resto sham main, alt Assa Rogue

[cunning basin]

Wait what

Hunter is really good rn lol

[crimson current]

is it?

[quaint depot]

He plays marskman dark arrow or whatever

to be clear

[crimson current]

maybe for raiding

[dusty crescent]

highest ilvl person in game is a rogue

that's cool

[cunning basin]

Idk what the build is but mm for keys is solid, sv for keys is good, and BM for st is crazy

Hunter/shaman eating good rn

[crimson current]

i mean, i think there is no class bad rn

[quaint depot]

Yeah, Feels nice to play Rsham

[crimson current]

but there are some so much better than others

[quaint depot]

well they kinda bad in raid

[crimson current]

and for me hunter is one of the bottom

[quaint depot]

but i dont raid

[cunning basin]

Tell that to all the frost dks that insist their class is unplayable now xd

[crimson current]

bro every red man should develop a little their brains

[late ravine]

Like all the fury warriors after the very first nerf

[quaint depot]

???? Frost DK is S tier isnt it lol

[crimson current]

yes but they are delusional

[cunning basin]

Hunter definitely not at the bottom, there's some specs that are real rough but between BM and SV Hunter has a solid spot in both keys and raid, maybe not like push keys

Yeah frost dk mains are cooked rn

[quaint depot]

the frost DK i know refuses to use one handers

[cunning basin]

They saw a like 2% nerf and insisted their class is now garbage

[quaint depot]

because he doesnt think they are cool

[pseudo cosmos]

If I saw the dk meltdown after a small nerf you would see they are delusional

[dusty crescent]

i think bm hunter eliminates need for rsham and replaced for dpriest

[crimson current]

yet if you open RIO u will see only FDK timing 17

[cunning basin]

He's correct and based 2h oblit is the superior spec

[dusty crescent]

which is pretty decent

[quaint depot]

based dk

[cunning basin]

But when I tell them that I'm talking out my ass

[quaint depot]

what is it auggie enchance frost dk

[crimson current]

theyre just crazy

[quaint depot]

is the meta comp

[stray adder]

enh is giga dam

[cunning basin]

Aug/enh/assa or Aug/enh/fdk

[dusty crescent]

there's a dickhole ton of fdks sheesh

only 1 rogue in top 20 best keys

[crimson current]

casual plays assa fdk balance

[cunning basin]

Aug assa probs hella unnecessary in terms of control and DR but also high keys are stupid so maybe it is necessary

[royal lantern]

easy to play + immortal + stupid dmg

that makes all the FotM monkeys cum on the spot

[tribal stag]

I have played nothing except assassination rogue for 5 years and have watched all the FOTM rerollers around me reroll just to continue to die to dumb shit every pull and then gray parse

[cunning basin]

That plays

[dusty crescent]

the nerf they get didn't seem to do much

[crimson current]

i dont like assa aug

[stray adder]

and yet, you have a yellow name on the community discord smh

[royal lantern]

i dont like aug

delete aug

yes

[dusty crescent]

i don't like aug

[royal lantern]

thank you

[tribal stag]

I dont associate with you

[cunning basin]

I also don't like aug

[marble hemlock]

have you taken a look into outlaw recently?

[crimson current]

yea delete aug

please

[dusty crescent]

@royal lantern delete aug yeah

[marble hemlock]

and its the same here or anywhere else

tiny nerf = spec unplayable

even if its deserved

[royal lantern]

hey hey, outlaw is different

they complain FASTER then everyone else

[cunning basin]

I stay away from there unless absolutely necessary KEK

[crimson current]

i wish i could see the enhance players

with the nerfs

[marble hemlock]

doesnt help that blizz tends to aura nerf shit when one class does super good st or aoe, even if the other one is dogshit, so warrior kinda got shafted on st just cause they did great burst aoe

[cunning basin]

The enh shamans in my guild said the nerfs were needed

[crimson current]

i go back to my ww monk before playing outlaw

[dusty crescent]

i wonder what sham discord enh channel looks like rn

[crimson current]

i cant play it

[marble hemlock]

well theyre used to a lower GCD so it makes sense they hit buttons faster than anybody else

[royal lantern]

warrior was so fucking stupid cus they nerfed fury and arms catched strays the entire time for no reason

like ????????????

[dusty crescent]

i may table my rogue for bm hunter we'll see

[quaint depot]

idk what good dam is because im new to dps as a healer main but i did 1.85m overall in a key and was happy about it

thanks auggy

[marble hemlock]

same with blood dk and deathbringer nerfs tbh

idk

[iron ivy]

Hola, are people running Subterfuge for m+ nowadays?

[marble hemlock]

tuning this tier is kinda

weird

[crimson current]

yea

[stray adder]

Taking bets on what class is gonna be fucked up this week

[hollow river]

It’s been all over the fucking place

[cunning basin]

The tuning is like, mostly good, like tuning things small and often is good

[hollow river]

At least that’s how it seems to me

[cunning basin]

But the problem is that all the non small tuning is HUGE swings

[dusty crescent]

11% nerfs seem like such a big number

[marble hemlock]

2 months into the expac and were still seeing double digit nerfs/buffs, that aint too good

[royal lantern]

i said since the first showcase

"hero talents" are a mistake cus they are clearly not cappable at all of handeling them AND it was sway to early for something like that

[dusty crescent]

just buff everyone

no nerfs, just buffs

[royal lantern]

like, they stil lthrow out flat % nerfs on hero talent trees because 1 spec is strong with it

[dusty crescent]

based takeeeee

[royal lantern]

and ignore the other spec

[tribal stag]

The secret to feeling good about your class/spec is:

1. Play something you like
2. If that's too hard, play something that does well on the meters on the last boss of the tier, because you're going to be spending a lot of time on it

[royal lantern]

???????????

[crimson current]

based

[spice surge]

Certainly better than no changes though

[marble hemlock]

its not unexpected tho, with how shoddy beta was

[crimson current]

something is strong? just buff everything else

[marble hemlock]

oh for sure

im glad theyre taking the sledgehammer approach

[dusty crescent]

exactly

[marble hemlock]

but it shouldnt have been necessary in the first place imo

[crimson current]

lets have fun

[quaint depot]

no changes is awful

[royal lantern]

ye, better then the old "we do 2-3 balance patchess in a entire tier and then nothing" thing they did for a long time

[quaint depot]

just play d4 if you want that, spiritborn ruined this season lol

[cunning basin]

I would rather see changes than no changes - I just think the changes shouldn't need to be so massive

[crimson current]

no changes would be toxic

[brave vector]

They can’t do that because then they have to tune content around blanket buffing every spec in the game

[crimson current]

frost dk was so strong

[stray adder]

let's just make sure to keep feral at the absolute bottom every tier

[spice surge]

DF s1 and early s2 also had tons of balancing all the time

[dusty crescent]

gib boss more health

[iron ivy]

Are the talent builds on wowhead not up-to-date yet, as subterfuge is not used there? Or is it just personal preference

[marble hemlock]

i dont like the idea that every first tier of an expansion is just gonna be super gamba now what is good or will be good week after week

[crimson current]

i remember trying to pug early season

[cunning basin]

S2 was relatively balanced DPS wise iirc

[crimson current]

impossible as rogue

ppl just wanted dks

[spice surge]

As was s1

[brave vector]

A shitty approach to game design in one sentence

[quaint depot]

I dont think the talent build on wowhead are neccesarily for pushing high keys or best, more of a one size fits all thing

[cunning basin]

Nothing was more than a few % apart(I just didn't play at a high level s1 so I didn't know)

[dusty crescent]

nerfing things unnecessarily is better?

[iron ivy]

Right, okay thanks! 🙂

[crimson current]

and they still just want dk because it just make everything easy for pugs with grips

but less than before

[brave vector]

It’s not unnecessary

[royal lantern]

its funny that the release of Aug was also where the patches turned really bad for DF lol

[crimson current]

now i have a chance at least

[marble hemlock]

when youre pushing highkeys, you tend to change things up a little to deal with specific pain points in a dungeon

[old obsidian]

if youre good on you character you can push keys too dont be asshole

[vast patio]

Out of curiosity, what's something you guys see sin rogues doing wrong a lot in m+ logs or whatever? Want to avoid some pitfalls.

[crimson current]

it depends

eventually you will suffer where the meta spec wont

[dusty crescent]

there's multiple times things get hit unnecessarily

[marble hemlock]

letting bleeds drop. using vanish for DPS.

[crimson current]

and also depends on the comp

[dusty crescent]

but if you lick activision boots i mean

that's on you

[cunning basin]

Inting deathstalker's mark is probably the biggest one - marking something than swapping and focusing something else

[marble hemlock]

99/100 depleted keys arent depleted due to lack of DPS

[vast patio]

Besides like spreading dots right

[crimson current]

yea

[cunning basin]

Mark the thing you intend to focus

[royal lantern]

stop calling me out