assassination

[balmy condor]

bowling content time my brain hurts

[subtle tundra]

woof woof

MMMM MEOW

[balmy condor]

I don’t stick my release, miss left, and brick a 7

I’m so cooked man, at this rate I’m gonna be throwing it directly into the gutter, rapidly losing brain matter looking at desperate attempts to parse bar graphs

[subtle tundra]

skill issue

actually

[balmy condor]

actually

correct

[cobalt shuttle]

so this guy comes and says im smoking crack because im not satisfied with the buffs and the other dummy says i have half a brain xD my point is why nerf something even if its small if we arent as good as the other classes

[spice surge]

They didnt nerf it

[serene solar]

Pin says 4% to ST and 3% to aoe. Caustic is a 1.5% loss. Meaning 1.5%~ gain to aoe and st has buff. HOW is this nerfing them in RAID?

[flint tusk]

it's not a nerf

christ

[balmy condor]

how do doorknobs taste

[subtle tundra]

buddy the guy you argued against is the theory crafter

[jovial idol]

It's a net buff, mostly for ST

[balmy condor]

just out of curiosity

I've never tried

[grizzled fulcrum]

Dude one skill got nerfed but ape in general got buffed wtf

[midnight atlas]

bros. we got tiny little nerf to spatter and a big buff for single target which results in big buff to aoe.
they just nerfed spatter a bit to keep it in check

[serene solar]

This is your brain on Ravenholdt. Idk how you actively deal with this 24/7

[cobalt shuttle]

oo so now theory crafters get a pass to be assholes xD?

[cobalt sphinx]

was aoe actually buffed

do the numbers support that

[subtle tundra]

he explained you, you were dense

[flint tusk]

To people with half their brain disengaged?
Yes

[cobalt shuttle]

i was asking in a polite matter and then this to dumasses started being smart xD

[balmy condor]

if you get a pass to be dense I get a pass to be upset about it

that's the transaction

[midnight atlas]

people dont understand damage profile of assa, they think spatter does dmg by itself.

[jovial idol]

He literally told you why you were wrong and you started throwing a tantrum

[bronze pike]

dont be rude

[cobalt shuttle]

when did i threw a tantrum? D:

[bronze pike]

and you wont get rude responses

[vocal minnow]

Autism is strong in this channel

[cobalt shuttle]

i didnt start this xD read above

[bronze pike]

but ya anywho

that kobold cum chapter

[balmy condor]

you wanna edit that one more time for me

or

[subtle tundra]

also caustic still is very very strong and i dont agree with that

i was expecting to go to 35%

[bronze pike]

caustic is probably gonna get hit again

[serene solar]

Alright another crazy idea would be to use our reading skills to not only read and understand the pinned message. But also understand he said they don’t have sims/numbers and he tried to do napkin math to give answers to the people who inevitably come in and ask 50 times a minute what the numbers are

[oak eagle]

you change a single talent to go aoe in raid.....

[balmy condor]

also you showed up and called it a nerf and then asked for 20% as if it's reasonable

so like

don't pretend you showed up all innocent looking for info

[normal mist]

I hate buffs and nerfs, people turn off their brain for a few hours and just zugzug the channel

[sharp viper]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-they-mean-random-numbers-gif-10654449

[subtle tundra]

if assa got 20% dps buff you'd go 6x assa in raid XD

[oak eagle]

when are we putting the channel in timeout

[balmy condor]

we already did earlier

[normal mist]

it was slowmode

[oak eagle]

no shot

[balmy condor]

had a 2 min slowmode

[oak eagle]

OMG

glad I was at work when this happened

[bronze pike]

i was heading to work when it happened

people legit get small headed when nerfs and buffs happen

[cobalt shuttle]

i called the caustic spatter nerf wich is a nerf on a skill, 20 % on everything would be broken my bad if u took that literally anyway "ty" for the info

[subtle tundra]

i was in the bed falling asleep !

[sharp viper]

@balmy condordo you ever wish you'd had chosen a different spec to be TC for?

[bronze pike]

still dont understand how outlaw saw a raw buff and got mad

[normal mist]

what a great question

[oak eagle]

doubtful, he loves some of us (i think)

[bronze pike]

like actually

[subtle tundra]

its a nerf to our aoe cause our m+ aoe is already very very strong

[flint tusk]

they're always mad

[subtle tundra]

and its a nerf for the future

[balmy condor]

the funny thing is that you're probably doing equal or even more more caustic spatter damage now with the fixes to the tier

[bronze pike]

no not really

all it takes is one person

[normal mist]

i actually understood why... They got "reverted" (kinda) to what they had pre nerf

[sharp viper]

scana yes, for the rest I am a bit doubtful

[opaque mauve]

Interesting morning reading 😛

[jovial idol]

The caustic spatter nerf is to compensate for the other buffs

[cobalt sphinx]

in #subtlety the main topic is subtlety, in #assassination the main topic is whispyr

[subtle tundra]

imo spatter should go to 25% to make it a healthier playstyle

[jovial idol]

Otherwise ti would be too strong

[subtle tundra]

but im just based like that

[bronze pike]

and people magically agree cause said person is high io

[balmy condor]

brave

true

but brave

[spice surge]

Things that spatter do 10% more damage but spatter spreads 10% less of it, making it overall roughly the same

[bronze pike]

ended up being a net buff

[flint tusk]

#Makebleedsgreatagain

[bronze pike]

[oak eagle]

yeah tbh im surprised spatter didnt get nerfed even more, due to the tier buff

[bronze pike]

they werent even focused on that

[balmy condor]

same

[normal mist]

[bronze pike]

they were mad that sin got buffs when it had questionable st in raid and piss poor tierset like they had

[balmy condor]

I was fully ready for 35%

[bronze pike]

4% buff

[oak eagle]

tbh i was ready to read it at 30%

[normal mist]

so same as assa

[subtle tundra]

(i want to not play spatter or kb in m+ as a viable build)

[bronze pike]

ye

[rain wraith]

Whats the best sim settings for raid and m+? Patchwerk 5 min for raid and Patchwerk x5 for 3 min for m+?

[spice surge]

Surely they remembered to put VV on the tier set right whispyr?

[balmy condor]

well buddy kingsbane just got a 10% buff

[balmy condor]

probably didn't

[subtle tundra]

💔

[balmy condor]

they have a habit of forgetting VV on stuff

[balmy condor]

patchwerk 1 target 5 min and dungeonslice

[oak eagle]

tbh i forget VV is even a thing

[subtle tundra]

maybe not? maybe intentional to keep it in line with other talents power wise

probably false

[balmy condor]

I mean it's one of the weaker talents we have

[flint tusk]

Yeh i imagine if that was the case they'd tune the % damage output or energy cost

[balmy condor]

it's legit only single target, and it barely can keep up with that

[midnight atlas]

caustic is dead boys, this is the new spec we playing.

[serene solar]

Do we think these buffs push assa up as the rogue raid spec?

[balmy condor]

[cobalt shuttle]

XDD

[subtle tundra]

dont make me

[sharp viper]

VV gets dropped so fast if there is any kind of aoe requirement

[midnight atlas]

new fan of knives build, we turn into sub with shuriken + bp

[jovial idol]

My eyes

[subtle tundra]

ugh

[oak eagle]

imagine if VV did what it did, but didnt make mutilate cost more energy

[subtle tundra]

im thinking about it

[crystal sierra]

For AoE in high keys, how important is it to rupture 5+ targets before you begin your envenom splatter aoe? I find that I often lose my main target, and suuurely I shouldnt spread over and over via main target?

[balmy condor]

well no... but kinda

[oak eagle]

shit would be gas

[flint tusk]

The most triggering thing about that is 1/2 Lethal Dose

[subtle tundra]

yes? no? idk they are close enough

[oak eagle]

whispyr

is it worth to run Caustic on Rashanan

[balmy condor]

depends on how long the pack is living for, but generally you're going to want to spread your bleeds during carnage and then maintain for energy

[oak eagle]

or does it not cleave the adds

[balmy condor]

where is your guild putting the adds

[jovial idol]

I think Outlaw is ahead in raid, esp with the new buffs

[subtle tundra]

nope

[midnight atlas]

i saw logs where it did 0 dmg because the adds were too far from boss and cautic wouldnt reach.
i dont know if it's been changed

[oak eagle]

on pull they put them to the right of boss, when he moves to the back they go to the front

[subtle tundra]

its literally worse log to play caustic

so you dont

you go IB

[balmy condor]

if they go directly under the boss you play caustic

but doesn't sound like it

so play IB

[jovial idol]

Rasha nan adds dont show in logs

[subtle tundra]

exactly

[balmy condor]

man who gives a shit about the fucking logs

[oak eagle]

i just wanna see big number on details man

[midnight atlas]

guilds recruiting unfortunately

[oak eagle]

when we were pulling ovinax

[serene solar]

https://tenor.com/view/parse-time-tenebris-gif-24337970

[oak eagle]

i actually saw myself on the meters for once

[balmy condor]

I'm 3rd in my raid for parasite damage

[flint tusk]

hacker

[balmy condor]

adds need to die

[subtle tundra]

with these buffs im getting over 1mil dps

[worthy root]

Do we know already by how much assa was buffed? Or Blizzard hasnt released the numbers yet?

[sharp viper]

confirmed log padder

[balmy condor]

parsing logs is for 3 months from now when everything is on farm and overgeared

[balmy condor]

pins

[rain wraith]

gotta chase those logs week 1 so u look good while the others have good gear

[dusty zenith]

What is IB again?

[serene solar]

I wonder how many times you guys have to say “Pins” in an expansion.

[jovial idol]

Internal Bleeding

[sharp viper]

internal bleeding

[oak eagle]

wish i got to do that, my guild doesnt kill until the final couple weeks of the patch typically

[balmy condor]

people worrying about their rashanan parse week 3 of mythic actually fucking insane

[oak eagle]

probably more than 500k

[subtle tundra]

depends, that works if you send everything
for my guild im not allowed to send until we get to a boss that requires the gear so im always behind the top %

[worthy root]

Yes I saw the pins last night that's why im asking if there's any new info

[oak eagle]

hey im just wondering if it hits the adds so they die faster, because our fury warr didnt have dam for every pack

i was just trying to help my guild kill

for next time we clear

[balmy condor]

the pin would be updated wouldn't it

[sharp viper]

is it possible to have a script so he can react to stuff with with a single button press?

[serene solar]

I mean I’m sure new info would result in an edit to the pins or a new post in the pins

[oak eagle]

can probably implement it into a streamdeck

[balmy condor]

yes I'm not complaining about you, I'm complaining about the people going "xd don't run caustic the adds are removed from logs your damage xddd need parse xddd"

[sharp viper]

have you seen the TC? he is very inactive and not even good at bowling

[balmy condor]

[serene solar]

Honestly I think the second you click into one of the 3 spec channels you should get an unskippable 5 second ad of a video show you how to click the pinned messages

[flint tusk]

what like this

[balmy condor]

I'm keeping up fairly well with my fury war

stacking the adds under the boss

[sharp viper]

now that is a proper fury name

[balmy condor]

but the adds gotta be like

REALLY up in the boss

[midnight atlas]

could be done, any message that says "is assa dead" gets reacted with check the pins

[balmy condor]

or caustic won't reach

[oak eagle]

they gotta be up the bosses ass, eh?

[balmy condor]

I'm pretty sure with perfect add placement I stomp the warrior

[sharp viper]

sounds like you want to fully automate whispyr

[balmy condor]

it's a very noticeable difference when they're in range for me vs when they're not

[rain wraith]

did they fix bubbling wax?

[subtle tundra]

anyone knows if assa is any decent for ansurek mythic?

[spice surge]

Discord has a feature where it shows your 3 most reacted emotes when you hover a message, the technology already exists

[balmy condor]

varas you have a funny way of making me want to fucking choke you through my monitor whenever you type

[subtle tundra]

?!?!?!?!? i just wanted to get some fucking knowledge

[midnight atlas]

its not good at all

[subtle tundra]

my guild is on court and i dont play sub so im benched

so i wanna know if it will be the same on ansurek

[oak eagle]

sub is yucky

[balmy condor]

assa is legit fine on all the bosses

[subtle tundra]

ok bud

[serene solar]

No shot you’re benched because you don’t play sub 😂 what is this guild

[midnight atlas]

you can legit farm a buff that increases dmg done inside nerubar palace now, you can play any spec

[sharp viper]

[subtle tundra]

we are trying to go for sub world 30?

so ofc ill get benched

fym

[balmy condor]

I mean it's true idk what you want me to tell you

[onyx linden]

Wait that's out now?

[balmy condor]

exile did pulls as assa and it was fine

[midnight atlas]

it's 4th week, im bad with counting i dont know which week is that

[subtle tundra]

except exile i didnt see anyone consider assa on ansurek

[balmy condor]

he played it on court too

[oak eagle]

didnt Kush do some pulls as Sin too?

[subtle tundra]

yea bud and did 400k less dps than kush

on sub

[oak eagle]

or was he a full sub 1trick the entire race

[balmy condor]

aight

[sharp viper]

iirc he did a few

[balmy condor]

actual brick wall being talked to

[subtle tundra]

?!?

yea we bench the worse specs

ofc we do

[oak eagle]

then if you want to raid court

play sub

[astral plover]

Change class varas.

[spice surge]

Exile played assa because their strat involved him doing webs at times where he wanted to pop his cds as sub

[subtle tundra]

i didnt say i wanted to

i was talking about ansurek

[oak eagle]

same thing

if you wanna prog queen

play sub

[subtle tundra]

whatever

[oak eagle]

not that hard to press your talent page, and change specs

[midnight atlas]

question is not "is it viable for ansurek". question is "will my guild master allow me to play assa on ansurek"

[subtle tundra]

i asked a question

[astral plover]

Varas i think ret pala is.more you

[oak eagle]

^ this right here

[subtle tundra]

idk

do you guys really think i havent considered sub

i dont even have transmitter

[balmy condor]

I mean it legit sounds like your guild just looks up whatever the top 3 RWF guilds played, compares details meters, and goes "oh assa did less so sub or bench"

in which case

what does anything I'm going to say

matter for shit

[subtle tundra]

they dont loook at top 3 guilds only

they look at everyone ahead

of us

[balmy condor]

yeah

[astral plover]

I didnt know u only could play sub with transmitter

[balmy condor]

and what do you think everyone ahead of you

also does

[midnight atlas]

sub should be benched until 11.0.5, i really want to see how it works with 1.5min cds, but until then im not playing that cooldown nightmare crap

[sharp viper]

varas needs you to get in a call with his RL and beg for him to be put in, coach

[subtle tundra]

whatever

[spice surge]

What? Its already a 90s spec

[balmy condor]

it's actually self fulfilling

[subtle tundra]

im gonna sound condescending
but you guys clearly havent fucking pushed world ranks

[brisk forge]

Lol

[oak eagle]

no most of us havent lmao

whats the point

[subtle tundra]

then dont fucking lecture me

[oak eagle]

of you asking here, if you already know the answer

[balmy condor]

"kush played sub" says the top 10 guilds and go play sub

then you show up and go "everyone plays sub"

[brisk forge]

Clearly not you that is for sure

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/blockbuster-commercial-blockbuster-video-90s-video-rental-gif-19163671

[midnight atlas]

it is, but doing all those dust shenanigans is not fun for me.

[oak eagle]

were gonna go on timeout, arent we.

[subtle tundra]

i asked how assa is on queen ansurek and now all the top players are judging a guild trying to improve

[balmy condor]

no, varas is just being dumb

[subtle tundra]

amongs the things my guild can do to get better higher rankings rn is playing optimal comp

[balmy condor]

he's asking a class discord for advice on a prog boss that legit no one will see before him

[serene solar]

At a time where the top rogue dps is so close between specs while also being meh in general. I just couldn’t imagine sitting someone over it. Maybe if it was like massive dps loss but idk man

[subtle tundra]

nothing else

[sharp viper]

not for much longer anyways, RIP

[midnight atlas]

good riddance to dust

[oak eagle]

nah whatchu mean, youll kill worm, and princess and court in the next 2 hours and see it before him on sin

[subtle tundra]

i maybe thought people watched streamers and shit

[balmy condor]

yeah, they do

they all played sub

cause RWF all played sub

[midnight atlas]

i havent even killed ansurek HC, but trust me bro, assa is dead for mythic ansurek

i read logs

[subtle tundra]

only time i didnt play assa for an endboss was raszageth

[normal mist]

Yo i just made a great meme.
"FOTM jumping into class discords after buffs"

[oak eagle]

hahahah

k thats actually kinda funny

love it royal

[normal mist]

(and real, bunch of bots stuck against a wall in durotar, orc starting area)

[past marten]

The only useful contribution in the last 10 minutes came from Eleem, who actually explained why exile played sin instead of sub on court.

[hollow river]

[sharp viper]

brb rerolling sub

[subtle tundra]

true

[cerulean compass]

Hi guys, do you know why my kingsbane seems low ? 🤔 ( +10 boralus 1 death ) 4:26 left, cast : 18 ( And I didn't logged cause I'm just dumb)

[balmy condor]

thanks for keeping track

[past marten]

You're welcome

[subtle tundra]

its not low

[balmy condor]

seems normal

[royal lantern]

cus kingsbane is not a aoe ability?

[cerulean compass]

Oh really ? 🤔

[balmy condor]

breakdown looks totally fine

[midnight atlas]

kingsbane damage is cleaved through spatter. so what you see is how much dmg it did on some adds and bosses, but most of its dmg is in spatter

[serene solar]

If you feel like you struggled in ST welcome to assa currently in keys

[cerulean compass]

Hmmm that's maybe why then, cause I was like, I feels like my AOE is ok but my ST get me so low in overall

[midnight atlas]

if you can keep uptime ST is good, but mostly you can't.

we're getting ST buff soon, wont be much, but its something

[sharp viper]

just you wait until our tier set is working like it's supposed to be!

[oak eagle]

yo hows this breakdown tho

dope or dope, am i rite

[balmy condor]

isn't that basically the same thing

[oak eagle]

idk

maybe

[cerulean compass]

Hahaa, I'll wait lmao

[oak eagle]

i didnt really look at the other screenshot

[vocal minnow]

......

[cerulean compass]

He *Got garrote a bit lower than mine but is this like cause of tanks chaining idk ?

[oak eagle]

yeah my tank didnt like me getting restealths to spread dots

[cerulean compass]

Yeah so that's maybe why xD

[oak eagle]

he kinda hates me tbh

(my buddy was tanking)

[balmy condor]

idk, rupture and garrote can swap that's fine

they're fairly similar

[cerulean compass]

I got a tank like that, he told me "Bro, we lose over 5 seconds until you stealth again, I won't stop chainin just play outlaw"

And then he quits

[midnight atlas]

you can do 2 mil dps without stealth just fok + 5 ruptures fok + ct and a bit of spatter

[balmy condor]

but what about the spatter nerf /s

[oak eagle]

sorry only 1.9m dps

[bronze pike]

Dead spec

Frfr

[sharp viper]

literally unplayable now

[cerulean compass]

Buff again spatter please, like, too much nerf 😔

[bronze pike]

Sub new meta I heard

[balmy condor]

True

Varas literally can’t play anything else

[serene solar]

You don’t need restealths do you? Isn’t it just something people over value

[balmy condor]

Even though he totally could

[bronze pike]

People over value restealths to a insane degree

[vocal minnow]

Just leave the group if tank chains

[balmy condor]

Based

[bronze pike]

“My overal is low, probably cause tank didn’t let me restealth >:( not cause I suck dick”

[midnight atlas]

iron wire is more valuable, if you want restealths for tank you should start with "i got utility you're not using" instead of crying for dmg

[spice surge]

Imagine how cooked sub aoe is if BP gets buffed by 35%

[balmy condor]

Ruin the experience for 5 people

[spice surge]

And the initial impression from people is "thats probably not enough"

[bronze pike]

Most

[serene solar]

This was what I was about to type. At most it would be nice before a scary pack that iron wire gets value from

[bronze pike]

More

[midnight atlas]

they need to reduce energy of shuriken storm for it to be spammable again

[cerulean compass]

@balmy condor Do you know how much you lose not vanishing again during a key ? I was wondering last time 🤔

[bronze pike]

Nah people to bussy dropping iron wire for dogshit .2% overal increase

[sharp viper]

if people care about sub aoe more than sub funnel they are just wrong

[bronze pike]

Whispyr

[balmy condor]

Not vanishing is around 5-6%

With no other adjustments

[cerulean compass]

Oof

[bronze pike]

Do the buffs mean we’re going double vanish

I heard

From a guy

[balmy condor]

Probably not

[bronze pike]

Dead spec

[subtle tundra]

how much is 1-3 more vanishes in a key

dont beat me

[cerulean compass]

Okay thanks ! 😄

[oak eagle]

we go down all the way to Subterfuge in the .5 patch I assume, right? at least for keys?

[serene solar]

This will be the post they show their tanks when they ask for restealths. You played yourself Whispyr

[hardy berry]

TLDR - Dont be angy' - Fan of Knives on how many targets? Mutilate to keep Spatter. Could somebody tell me an honest take about assa? How is it on m+ and on raid? Thanks a lot ❤️

[oak eagle]

because carnage has more duration with subterfuge is how i read it right?

[oak eagle]

2+ if DS

[spice surge]

Huh? Assa is the funnel spec

[balmy condor]

They already took my 15% number out of context on reddit from a video where I literally said “don’t freak out” beforehand and then said “don’t take it out of context” after

[bronze pike]

As a tank

I’ll ignore it

And chain pull badly to spite them

[serene solar]

Almost similar to the BOLDED “THIS IS A BUFF BY ALL METRICS”

“WHY THEY NERF US?”

[oak eagle]

yeah mut at around 2 seconds left on spatter, ill let whispyr tell you about how it is in raid and m+ because hes better with this stuff than I am

[midnight atlas]

fan of knives 2+ targets

[balmy condor]

You’re doin great

[oak eagle]

thanks dad

[sharp viper]

why would whispyr do that to us Q_Q

[balmy condor]

You answered and I didn’t have to correct and that’s great

We love good info

[oak eagle]

i just follow your info

i got from yt vids

[serene solar]

Omg have you guys seen the nerfs?

[balmy condor]

Well

That’s good too

[bronze pike]

The spread of good info is always welcomed

[balmy condor]

NERFS?

[bronze pike]

[sharp viper]

you're like a unicorn in this channel then

[bronze pike]

NERFS?!

[oak eagle]

ive always wanted to be a unicorn

[spice surge]

Ye BM got nerfed by like 9%

[balmy condor]

YOU HEAR THAT OUTLAW ROGUES? NERFS YOU DONT HAVE TO COME HERE ITS ALL GOOD

[serene solar]

Yeah man. Those nerfs are brutal. We are COOKED in raid come Tuesday. I’m deleting my assa gear

[bronze pike]

To late

Zeross has swapped to sin

It’s joever

The metaning of sin is in full swing

[serene solar]

There are people really upset with the outlaw BUFF they received on their OUTLAW class they ONLY play. Because assa got buffed too

[cerulean compass]

Do you think we can tell blizzard that's a good nerf ?

[balmy condor]

Waiting for humanity and John “equinox” equinoxmonk to moan about it on Twitter

[bronze pike]

It was well received u til people doomed themselves into thinking this buff was bad

[midnight atlas]

they can buff outlaw as much as they want, you can still remind them "oh, but you dont have acro no more"

[oak eagle]

both those guys are weirdos

[bronze pike]

Blocked humanity on Twitter ages ago

Equinox tho

[cerulean compass]

Oh wait I thought he really said like Humanity KEKW

[wise whale]

Wonder how these buffs will affect our pi value

[bronze pike]

Isn’t he some kinda of perv that’s actively trying to sext with people in public?

[serene solar]

Outlaws target cap mixed with massive pulls is really their biggest issue imo. The class is fun and cooks in a vacuum

[oak eagle]

oh were totally #1 now, tottally not lying (please dont ban me mods)

[balmy condor]

I mean there’s outlaw rogues mad about a nerf from weeks ago which was actually a buff because now they got buffed and the buff is like the nerf in reverse and so actually it’s dumb that the buff happened

[wise whale]

Obviously not

[midnight atlas]

serios question amidst all the shittalk.
when's the perfect moment to get PI? dm or kb ?

[balmy condor]

Dm

[bronze pike]

Ended up being a 4.5% buff

For outlaw

Something something muh auto attack nerfed something no acro something

[balmy condor]

Yeah but they also got nerfed to get the buff and the nerf was a buff cause the tier was buffed but the spec was nerfed so now actually we’re mad that the spec got nerfed when the tier got buffed because the spec got buffed now so why did the spec get nerfed and im mad about that

[wise whale]

Obv not over bm/UH but just the general impact of the tuning on haste

[cerulean compass]

https://tenor.com/view/calculation-math-hangover-allen-zach-galifianakis-gif-6219070

[sharp viper]

https://tenor.com/view/kowalski-noted-penguins-penguins-of-madagascar-gif-1306663699157096677

[balmy condor]

Non existent

[cerulean compass]

So it's a nerf ?

[bronze pike]

I can understand that the nerf ended up being a buff to turned into a nerf that something got nerfed to make a dog shit tierset get buffed until they got nerfed baseline just to get buffed again and buffed to a net positive from the initial nerf that resulted in a buff

[wise whale]

Okay, thank you

[bronze pike]

Quite simple

[sharp viper]

tldr: nerf or buff doesn't matter - complain anyway

[ornate dawn]

All that matters is m+ finally dropped my Skardyns

[serene solar]

I am a bigger loser than most.I legit chase numbers hard AF in this game. So I play all 3 specs and save gear for all 3. I want them all to succeed and be fun in their own ways.

[bronze pike]

That makes you the opposite of a loser

[balmy condor]

No so like heroic week right, outlaw got a buff, but they said it was a nerf, cause the spec got nerfed, but the tier got buffed. and people didn’t have tier right, so all of outlaw was in flames because “why would you nerf the spec and buff the tier, we’re just weaker now” except when they got their tier, they actually were 2% stronger than before. And now they get another 4.5% buff, but they’re pissed because they got “nerfed” in heroic week, and so now they get to be mad at the buff cause they were mad at the nerf

[bronze pike]

That actually means your a competent player that’s adaptable to every possible situation and want to prio fun

[serene solar]

Being a one trick and then being upset when your niche doesn’t fit the situation but another spec on your same class does is just wild af to me. Game is fun because of the differences in classes/specs.

[oak eagle]

complaining is my favorite past time my good sir

[bronze pike]

It’s elementary

[cerulean compass]

Lmao so everytimes Rogue outlaw cry ?

[sharp viper]

i think that's why we are in the spec discussion channels

[oak eagle]

all rogue specs cry

[bronze pike]

Why do u think like 70% of this cord has outlaw channel muted

[serene solar]

This is legit too. There are people still complaining about the OG “nerf”

[cerulean compass]

Kinda 😂

[flint tusk]

You wait till they hear they'll be losing their gun and going back to being called combat next season

[bronze pike]

The buff was well received at first

[balmy condor]

Yeah they’re very talented at coming up with reasons to be mad

[short flint]

What do ppl macro echoing to?

[balmy condor]

Nothing

[flint tusk]

a keybind

[balmy condor]

Echoing is a gcd

[bronze pike]

Wooloo is a great Pokémon

10/10

[fallen arch]

Uh no

[serene solar]

I mean I could understand getting the buff with the “nerf” and being upset cause obviously something is off or they wouldn’t be buffing outlaw again. But being mad about it now when you have the buff coming is weird. I think people just love dooming

[fallen arch]

Its a sheep

[bronze pike]

Thems fighting words mf

Put em up

[fallen arch]

What

Its the least interesting designed pokemon ever

[bronze pike]

Wooloo is bis Pokémon design

[sharp viper]

I am honestly sad echoing reprimand is going away

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/wooloo-pokemon-sword-pokemon-shield-gif-14279407

[bronze pike]

Same honestly

[sharp viper]

rather lackluster as a capstone talent but fun to play with in general

[serene solar]

How people latch onto the spec they see a RWF group use.

[bronze pike]

Lawrd he thirsty

[royal lantern]

whisp when monster

[bronze pike]

Also

https://tenor.com/view/squirtle-pokemon-squirtlesquad-cutie-waterpokemon-gif-19652290

Squirtle

[balmy condor]

Real

[lapis lantern]

bro, how many fckn grim batol keys i do have to endure?? skardyn grace my ass

its literally a meme right now this trinket

it does not exist

[royal lantern]

did 41

[lapis lantern]

jesus christ

[kindred hinge]

Just accept you will get it Wednesday in your vaut and don't torture yourself

[runic basin]

the buffs / changes are not live right?

[serene solar]

I’m like 621 with 2250io and can’t get accepted into 7s to even try and get the thing. It could be worse

[thorn crater]

question, waning candle must have been bugged and fixed right? the trinket

[lapis lantern]

O K

[thorn crater]

cause it used to give 5k crit on procc and now it gives 2,8

[lapis lantern]

im 2500 rio, wont get accepted in 7s

meme #2

[royal lantern]

in 623 with 2,6k and it takes 15min+

[lapis lantern]

and then, surprise: top at meter

[feral wasp]

today i was about to ++ a 10gb, wiped at 3rd boss and depleted the key

[lapis lantern]

😮

[steel ridge]

well, you gotta go firemage, since its suddenly meta on archon

who would have known

kekw

[strange python]

I've just accepted doing 6s for insta queue and will just 619 it if it ever drops, better for my sanity even if not hero track

[bronze pike]

Just loot it from vault

[sharp viper]

did the tank keep the dragon in the middle of the platform and not move an inch?

[bronze pike]

That’s how I got my grim batol mastery trinket

[serene solar]

Yall make me realize I’ll never get in the key. I’m also only 618. Idk what I was smoking

[kindred hinge]

Were you in my GB12? Because fuck that tank.

[feral wasp]

nope, party was surprisingly good actually, healer got touched by one of the adds somehow

[lapis lantern]

pugging is a meme

in all senses

[feral wasp]

i dont have friends

[lapis lantern]

im lucky to have a team from time to time

[sharp viper]

clearly skill issue

[lapis lantern]

but when im on my own

[serene solar]

Honestly I have hero transmitter and sacbrood so I just play sub a lot in keys. It’s been fun. Just want grace to see how it helps my assa keys

[lapis lantern]

jesus christ

[feral wasp]

would i be trolling if i play some sub or outlaw with this stats

[sharp viper]

tbh transmitter would work with assa keys due to the CDR affix this week

[kindred hinge]

Pugging is fun at least in high keys. You get to meet a lot of very good people and the toxicity is actually less than on medium keys.

Its the q time that gets you

[sharp viper]

skardyns gets desynced in m+ atm

[lapis lantern]

what u mean?

explain it to me like to an 4yo

[novel star]

im at 31 m+ gbs right now

[serene solar]

Yeah this week would cook. I’ve used it last week too and it’s really not the worst thing ever. But it’s not grace

[novel star]

[lapis lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-sir-yes-boss-military-salute-giving-honor-rip-gif-23161689

[novel star]

it dropped week 1 vault

in the mythic 0 slot

so i couldnt take it

🫡

[sharp viper]

add dies and gives you cool down reduction on your abilities but not on your trinket. So skardyns stays at 2 min cd and deathmark gets like 100s cd

[lapis lantern]

fuck

i did not notice even

[kindred mason]

Hi, currently learning rogue again (last played in legion), could someone review my sin logs and see what i might be doing wrong? keep in mind i got no enchants and low ilvl

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rbKdqwBD7nPLMfgX#fight=last&source=38&type=damage-done

[cobalt sphinx]

Mqm kills it from half and is almost always up

[serene solar]

I should read more. Does the affix die and reduce cds that are currently on CD by a flat amount or percent. Or is it like a buff you get for x amount of time that allows you to get cds back faster

[kindred hinge]

Tbf you can play whatever spec you want regardless of trinket. It is not like the timer are tight before 12s so dps optimisation doesn't matter much if you output enough already

[cobalt sphinx]

Yeah transmitter is good for sin too

No sense in tripping over a bis list

[serene solar]

Yeah, tbh I just enjoy all three specs and I try to look at group comp and stuff to decide what to run. IMO I run sub if tyran or +10 key in a group that lacks ST/prio. Assa in keys that could use the aoe and already had strong st/prio. Idk maybe I’m cooked

[cobalt sphinx]

I don’t think sub is really strong enough to ever play unless you guys have a strat that requires the burst

[kindred hinge]

If you execute the key mecanichs well and have a decent knowledge of what you are doing you can litterally play what you want and time. Better focus on improving class execution and key exec than limiting yourself to gear

Or group comp*

[midnight atlas]

dungeonslice takes so long

[balmy condor]

And that’s after I went through and did a pass of the APL to optimize for runtime

It used to be 12% slower

[kindred mason]

better yet, is there a dedicated channel for reviewing logs and improving performance? i don't wanna interrupt any convo 🙂

[slim glade]

hi guys, quick question, can i spend my darkest night with anima charged CP's or should i avoid that?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[serene solar]

We did a friend group +10 NW completion for vault slot. We couldn’t get passed stitch. The Aug swapped to dev and we wiped again a few times. I swapped to sub and we one shot it. Other than this one example that happened to me personally though I get what you mean

[smoky sequoia]

If you play sanguine blades, do you try to play around it (eg. stay above 150 energy) or its there just for those burst windows when u overgenerate energy?

[novel star]

opposite

you want to avoid it

if youre on deathstalker

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[serene solar]

Subs burst ST feels good in that fight for making sure the creations die at good times

[novel star]

but yes it just happens

[balmy condor]

Also an uhmacktyagllly moment

[novel star]

you dont try to make it happen

[cobalt sphinx]

I think I’m gonna time all 11s before i beat a NW

[balmy condor]

But 50% cdr for 20 seconds is 10 seconds

So it’ll only be 110s dm

(The affix buff is pretty shit)

(Even after they giga buffed it)

It also doesn’t work on abilities that have a charge or could talent into a charge

So vanish shiv and tea don’t cd faster

[serene solar]

Honestly I think the only reason I am able to have fun on sub in higher keys is because I have an Aug friend. Sub seems pretty cool/good if the pack doesn’t get nuked instantly. If you were sub with fury/frost as your other dps then you might as well afk

[sharp viper]

i know but I assumed 1 add per 1 minute in combat

[balmy condor]

Is it that quick?

[cobalt sphinx]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

Hm

I thought it was 90

But maybe I’m cooked

[sharp viper]

maybe I'm wrong, i don't know the exact number

[balmy condor]

Yeah I mean it’s possible

[slim glade]

yes, i should avoid doing that, or yes i can just send envenom with anima charged cps?

[balmy condor]

Still sucks ass regardless

[balmy condor]

Send

[midnight atlas]

it does, makes cds weird af

[balmy condor]

If animacharge -> send

[grim jay]

@balmy condor the caustic nerf seems kinda too small together with the other buffs. feels like it will put us into nerf territory

[rotund oak]

[midnight atlas]

these are so expensive wtf

[balmy condor]

We ride it out till 11.0.5 and then get the bat probably

[kindred hinge]

It feels more that you had other issues in your group than specs there

[grim jay]

ye, might end up pretty bonkers in m+ and everyone will complain

hope they dont nerf the wrong things then

[balmy condor]

They’re already complaining

[grim jay]

true

[spice surge]

Good thing a lot of them cant read and didnt realize we got buffed

[grim jay]

[autumn remnant]

lol

[west crown]

No way we get nerfed. We are in a good state for m+ and mid for raid. No reason to nerf

[little niche]

I have question 😅is hekeli good for Rouge?

[crisp pine]

no

[royal lantern]

no

[dense talon]

is anyone struggling as assassin rogue against skarmorak in stonevault?

[royal lantern]

wdym struggle

[kindred hinge]

Just stay on boss

[grim jay]

we arent in a "good state" for m+

we are pretty fucking strong

[kindred hinge]

Rupt one add or two when you can be melee

Can't*

[west crown]

Right but we aren’t too hot for raid so it’s ok

[dense talon]

i run out of energy as I jump from one rock to another.

[spice surge]

Check pins, its not a nerf

[cobalt sphinx]

Rupture should give you full energy if you use it on the crystals

[kindred hinge]

Stay on boss, 2 dps are enough to deal with rocks. Put some rupture out for agi and energi but thats it

[west crown]

I’m just going to assume you didn’t mean to respond to me

[grim jay]

yeah but even then they sometimes balance outliers in m+ and we might be over the top with the buffs

[west crown]

Yeah caustic can lose another 5%

[dense talon]

we getting buffed in 11.0.5?

[grim jay]

something like that is what I expect aswell ye

[kindred hinge]

We are getting buffed next reset

But they will have to touch FDK before they nerf us anyway.

[grim jay]

idk I havent lost to a single DK in m+

but I didnt see too many good ones either

[crisp pine]

For some reason there are a lot of bad fdks

[grim jay]

the only impression I got was that many of them love to pull with frostwyrm

[west crown]

That’s because it’s the FOTM class along with shaman because of the hero talents

[crisp pine]

is fdk actually hard tho?

[grim jay]

no

not that much

[west crown]

Not at all

[grim jay]

gotta know some pulls

but most people share routes

[crisp pine]

Thought it was a press the buttons that glows spec

[dense talon]

frost dks dont let us shine. atleast in 10s and 11s. by the time ruptures are spread, caustic is used, ct is deployed, SnD and ER activated, the pack is dead especially udring opening packs. maybe i m too slow -> another possible reason

[grim jay]

as I said, never happened to me

[west crown]

It’s Melee frost mage but instead of ice lance instead it’s obliterate

[serene solar]

Frost DK is hilarious rn. I have a 600 ilvl alt with 2 590 rings and 2 random trinkets and can pull 1m overall in a key. Now imagine with gear BiS

[quick shore]

Did we get a buff now that they include envenom in tier set passive?

[grim jay]

the only spec that even got close so far was enhancer

[west crown]

I mean you’d still be pumping with sudden demise regardless

[calm grail]

Is the 1.5% loss AFTER the 3% AoE increase or before? Like is the 3% offsetting it so it's a 1.5% gain in the end? Or the other way around. I apologize if i asked that poorly.

[grim jay]

my frost mage had 1m with 590 aswell 😛

[balmy condor]

Before

[kindred hinge]

A lot of boosted FDK by the strengh of the class. But a good one with a tank that know he needs to big pull is no context

Contest*

[crisp pine]

Retri is doing a lot of damage in my experience
but it's mostly nuking all the small adds so we have to fight the big add for 30 seconds

[calm grail]

Oh so it's a net gain in both aspects. Sick.

[balmy condor]

1.5% gain overall

[calm grail]

I thought that while we were doing quite well in M+ our ST felt low compard to other classes given what we are.

This is really nice.

[grim jay]

I mean I've exlusively played with 2.5k+ dks that were around 3.5k-ish last season and on the higher end most people share the routes and discuss them

sin can do like 8m-9m in big pulls aswell

like NW

[quick shore]

1.5% buff?

[serene solar]

Mage is my other im gearing. It’s like 560 currently and I’ve seen it spike 1.8m in aoe. Mage, ret, enhance, and dk off the top of my head do nutty damage without gear

[grim jay]

pin

[kindred hinge]

I have seen a massive difference between the 2k5 dk and the 2k7+. As I said a lot of them are boosted by the inate strenght of the class

[balmy condor]

That’s what the idiot in the pins said yeah

[crisp pine]

Highest damage in opening pull is probably unholy dk
These fuckers burst for 16m DPS in the beginning of stonevault

[kindred hinge]

And yes we can do 8-9m in bug pull. Inhave seen dk nearing 15

[serene solar]

Yeah I haven’t seen one (they don’t exist) but I’ve seen the numbers

[crisp pine]

Then they fall off forever

[grim jay]

dk was shit last season, so they should know what to do with 3.5k+ there and the 2.5k+ were beginning of last week

there barely were 2.7 at that point

[kindred hinge]

W/e mate you have your experience I have mine no point running against a wall 🙂

[serene solar]

This pic from the first pull of a 11 NW was in here the other day I think

[crisp pine]

lol

[dawn heath]

playing outlaw in necrotic wake is inting

[fast mural]

A boomie have burst 19k

[grim jay]

kinda not really comparable

bcs the others dealt below tank dmg

[crisp pine]

I'm guessing they just died?

[midnight atlas]

how often can uhdk do that?

[grim jay]

doesnt matter at all

tbf

[crisp pine]

like
once

and you ride that high until the end

[serene solar]

Marksman had to be trolling

[dawn heath]

havoc can match that burst if not more

i've done 11mil dps on small pulls on my dh

[grim jay]

if everyone carries their weight, the unholy wont finish the pull with 16m

[royal lantern]

i mean, could also just not use their cds

cus overlaping 3 cds is kinda....not smart

[grim jay]

they should deal more without cds on that pull

[royal lantern]

im never using cds on the first pull in pug runs cus you know that the other 2 guys blow out everything there and stuff dies in 5 seconds lmao

[crisp pine]

does outlaw ever actually hold cds?

[grim jay]

dont think so

[serene solar]

Not really

Like you’d hold a ghostly strikes if it’s the last mob and it’s close to dead

But not really “holding a CD”

[crisp pine]

I thought outlaws just macro ghostly to some other shit nowadays lol

[serene solar]

Some do but I don’t

[crisp pine]

huge

now it's a 4 button spec

[kindred hinge]

Still outlaw in NW is either trolling or a level of idgaf that is quite high

[dawn heath]

u need some aoe carries if u are gonna do the first pull in there

u are actually cosmetic on first pull

as outlaw

[crisp pine]

capping flurry was a crime tbh

[grim jay]

#outlaw

[serene solar]

Yeah they are probably fine the rest of the key though

[kindred hinge]

Still miss old NW during SL S1 with the nutty 100% spears

Easiest key to get in as a rogue ever

[dawn heath]

fineish but u are supposed to double/tripple pll alot of packs there and use orbs to stop casts

so its pretty normal to do 10-15 mob pulls

even after first one

[grim jay]

like half of the big pulls are ST tho

every necromancer

thats 3 pulls

[serene solar]

ST the mancer with pad

[royal lantern]

outlaws explaining again why outlaw is UnPlAyAbLe cus of target caps after beeing m+ meta for over half of m+ existing

[crisp pine]

and gaslighting themselves that outlaw was never playable in raid

[dawn heath]

this is kinda how ur supposed to pull the duengon

[crisp pine]

oh shit you don't pull anything upstairs?

[dawn heath]

well ye ofc

i just

marked real quick

for the other part

up there is kinda unintresting

[royal lantern]

skipping stichflesh trash

[serene solar]

Outlaw can do 8 targets. They would be fine in a good bit of those pulls

[royal lantern]

[serene solar]

Not pull 1 tho

😂

[rotund oak]

in eu they lost 40% of their value past 3 days,they were waaaay higher

[serene solar]

And again any pack with the necros is just ST with pad. But that’s enough outlaw talk in this section. I get side tracked

[rotund oak]

Dont ever,and for any reason,ever use hekili

period

[crisp pine]

I'm gonna download it now
Can't tell me what to do

Hope it tells me to CT 3 times in a row

[rotund oak]

good for u

[dawn heath]

kinda intresting i played it for 2 bosses

it 99 parsed one boss and blue parsed another

i just followed the script

both were st

but ye

fuck that

i removed the addon

it kinda stinks

[sharp viper]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[crisp pine]

Actually wondering if they keep the current M+ formula for season 2
with Myth track dropping at 10, 9s being only for crests and the huge difficulty jump at 10s and 12s

[still stirrup]

I assume they will

[zealous wolf]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[dusky idol]

hello guys i'm looking to understand how the prismatic gem culminating blasphemite is working

Do we gem around that ?

[misty torrent]

Is there an addon, that would help me with optimal DPS? I found an addon that's called maxDPS rogue, but I can't seem to make it work.

I would like to get to a place, where I actually can play without "crutches", but I'm so new that I just mess everything up and feel like I ruin the game for everyone else

[royal lantern]

not really

you learn your class

tf would be the point of playing if you cold automate it lol

[novel star]

yeah no rotation addons are good really

just get solid weakauras and hit training dummies

[misty torrent]

Aight, thanks. Just gonna get good

[novel star]

you have infinite time to stay in dornogal and hit dummies

[misty torrent]

I went with Whyspers, and now I got double everything on my UI 🙂

[novel star]

whispyrs edit is good ya

you should just learn to play with that

and know the priority list by reading guide/practicing a lot

[royal lantern]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[undone eagle]

AotD proccs on both weapons right?

enchant

[novel star]

an addon will never be as good as a player with the right knowledge

[novel star]

ya

[undone eagle]

ty

[royal lantern]

proc chance stays the same, effect doubles

works like that for all enchants when you use them 2x

[kindred hinge]

There is no spec in wow you cant learn if you spend 1h on dummy and actively learning.

The rest is just xp of encounters. Dps addon are crap unless you play ret but ret is a facerolling spec anyway

[misty torrent]

I read the priority list, and I do the rotation. But I'm just bad. I mess it up a little by little. And the simulator wants me to do 900k-1m dps, but that is just not what's happening xD

[winged sun]

ok

i know why people play double vanish now

tanks are cooked in lfg

[royal lantern]

cus they are stupid and think they need sstealth for dmg?

[undone eagle]

Oh so it proccs only at the same time but at 2x effectiveness

i thought it was rng for both lol

[kindred hinge]

Wdym mine keep asking me if O want restealth and I have to tell them no dont bother

[winged sun]

u can get mega silence and dr from it

rly good in 12 keys

and 13s

[royal lantern]

and your tanks in 12/13 do shity pulls into packs where you need silence/dr?

[winged sun]

what are u yapping about

[royal lantern]

what are you yapping about

tf

[winged sun]

restealth for dps

and silence

both

[royal lantern]

so you are doing 12/13 keys

and at the same time have tanks that do the dangerous pulls by chaining badly into them

[kindred hinge]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[royal lantern]

and ofc "all the time"

[winged sun]

u know that tanks are randoms right

[royal lantern]

and ofc never vanish up aswell

well, your fault then to play with shity randoms

pugs in 12/13 are still pugs

[winged sun]

my fault for playing the game

[royal lantern]

polished turd is still a turd

[winged sun]

ur still dumb to this day or what

[kindred hinge]

Restealth for utility is a thing though

Ironwire too strong

[winged sun]

there are literally no teams except top 20 ish players

[royal lantern]

your fault for playing with randoms and expecting good outcomes

pugs and shity sstuff happening goes hand in hand

going into a +12 arakara and 2 shamanss with no poison totem

[winged sun]

its not about expecting good outcome

[royal lantern]

thats pugs

[winged sun]

even with good tanks u cant restealth sometimes

because of the route its way faster

try pushing first maybe

[kindred hinge]

Try depleting a Siege 12 when arriving on last boss the lock you took only for dispel had sneakily respeced demonology and had no dispel.

[royal lantern]

chad move

[timid sonnet]

I mean its kinda your fault that you didn't notice all the imps flying by you

all dungeon long

[kindred hinge]

I am a pug dps i have a smooth brain.

But anyway what will we do ? Leave the key? Better try it anyway

I get one invite on a blue moon not going to not play the little playtime allowed by the q

[novel star]

pugging 11+ is wild

i’d only pug vault runs

pug pushing is yuckyyy

[short flint]

how does bubbling compare to whetstone. I dont see it on sim to check

[misty torrent]

after the rogue opener, and you're just kinda waiting for cooldowns.

I maintain rupture and garrote.

But do I just build up 5 combo points and shoot off envenom on as much as I can? Or is there a trick to it?

[hexed frost]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

The lock in question

[deep gyro]

id be pissed

[royal lantern]

wdym pissed, i respect that dedication

"we need a magic dispell, can you do it?"

[kindred hinge]

Na its fun. Less boring than in team. Lots of wild shit

[royal lantern]

"no"

[kindred hinge]

And there is some satisfying moment like smashing the first boss of db in a 5 melee comp and still playing it better with portals than the typical 3 range/2melee comp

When it click it is amazing

[royal lantern]

well yeha

the tank actually moves

its insane how many tanks just afk next to the puddle

cus they somehow still dont understand "it gets bigger"

[crisp pine]

some tanks still just die to the beams
cause for some reason that thing is a tank buster

[feral mason]

pugging higher keys is fine if you keep playing the whole season

At least thats how it was with the previous system

requires way too many hours though

If you are like 200 rating behind cutoff after a few weeks

its kinda doomed

[kindred hinge]

You have to anyway. Not enough key available at the bottleneck early in for the amount of people pushing. Getting into 12 rn is rough, will be better in 3 weeks

[pliant terrace]

pugging is not that bad tbh I got to 2.6k running keys mostly by myself
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[feral mason]

dawg what is that footnote under your messages

[copper hazel]

FBI sussy

[feral mason]

[golden loom]

I have whispyrs plater profile, would it be easy to add a tracker for Shiv / CT like how garrote and rupture already are?

[pliant terrace]

who me? I don't see anything
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[crisp pine]

Every Sin Rogue is under supervision of the fbi

normal

[kindred hinge]

Yes

Just add the debuffs you want

[copper hazel]

@pliant terrace

[pliant terrace]

wtf
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[crisp pine]

Whispyrs place got raided by the feds 4 times in the last month

They're trying to steal his math

[golden loom]

does it work if I remove them from the blacklist?

[feral mason]

sure

[kindred hinge]

Wild to be learning on rogue disco that the feds are onto your side hustle. How fitting

[feral mason]

Id recommend going on manual with plater though honestly

and adding debuffs you WANT to see

but thats my take

[glossy glen]

Hello guys, i would ask a question about, if you know why sometimes in fight, i ran out of energy and i'm like fucked up

[kindred hinge]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[golden loom]

nevermind got it working with a reload, thanks guys! 🙂

[glossy glen]

alr thx

[wicked glen]

Is assassination a good spec for leveling ?

[fallen arch]

Ye why not

I don’t think there’s any spec anymore really bad for leveling

[rotund oak]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[chilly mist]

Do current sims include the bug with 2p not applying correctly?

that is getting fixed on reset

[normal mist]

Afaik yes

We knew about the bug

[chilly mist]

Cool, tyty 🙂

[static glacier]

!buff

!nerf

!bestchickenwingflavour

😔

[royal lantern]

BBQ

[static glacier]

I wonder what the bot would say

[royal lantern]

maybe im a bot

[strange python]

Since Assassin Always opens with ambush, did you drop improved garrote for anything Else?

[static glacier]

We don’t always open with ambush, and when we do we still get time to apply imp garrotte

[normal mist]

Yeah we explained that yesterday

[static glacier]

Are you asking for a specific situation?

[normal mist]

Xd

Ambush the first pull, after that garrote if you have the darkest night buff active. If not, ambush

[static glacier]

Ye, I’d say in a key you ambush to open maybe 1-5 times

Depending on how long downtime is / if mobs don’t “die” and give darkest night

In grim batol I end up ambushing 4 times, and I can specify exactly when and on what mob

[urban current]

Bleed application and uptime is the end goal for aoe so you need to fire off as many ambushes+ruptures and weave in imp garrote in that small window

[fallen arch]

No not ambushes lol

[urban current]

though I find my garrote targets by interrupt priorities

[jagged niche]

!fuu

[urban current]

whatever your spam is, sometimes it procs ambush

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fallen arch]

U dont pkay blindside in keys i hope

[static glacier]

When I say ambush I mean ones from stealth to apply mark

[urban current]

probably sometimes, you guys are way too particular lol keys are about surviving and timing

[static glacier]

Bleed build does; but ye the popular build doesn’t

[static glacier]

If you’re pressing ambush and you have darkest night I’m fairly sure that’s just a mistake

[brisk path]

anybody knows what addon/WA makes your cursor into GCD circle?

[urban current]

for what optimal dps? if shit dies in time and we make the key I don't really care

[pliant remnant]

https://wago.io/search/imports/wow/all?q=GCD cursor

[static glacier]

You’re giving up iron wire applications

This isn’t just a dps thing

[fallen arch]

Thats a wild take if u ask me

‘ we time it so everything I do is fine ‘

But hey you do you

[static glacier]

Will pressing ambush once vs gar brick your key? Most likely not but I think you have a bigger risk of bricking a key by your tank flopping to white swings that you’d have saved him from / silencing a mob than most other choices you make in a key tbh

[deep wave]

do you guys take crimson tempest for rashan'an and similar add raid bosses?

[rotund oak]

[static glacier]

Rash nah, ovi yes

[fallen arch]

Rash no

Ovi yes

[proper hare]

brood

[pliant remnant]

Rashanan adds don't count for logs, so no

[deep wave]

nice, ty

just generally even first boss of raid

i feel like i dont provide any aoe to my raid unless i have tempest

by the time i setup caustic and poison aoe, everything is dead

[static glacier]

Tbh if you care at all for add dps you don’t bring sin there, caustic doesn’t hit anything….meanwhile feral got their cleave hotfixed to be from the char and not the target while we got ignored

[static glacier]

I just play trickster sub or OL on those fights

[royal lantern]

well

spatter is a debuff

[light knoll]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[pliant remnant]

Yeh ik, that's why I go full single target on it and stay quiet when somebody in my guild suggests I go Trickster for the adds

[static glacier]

They could still let the aoe radiate from player char

We’re already too far gone from thematic accuracy

[fallen arch]

It wouldnt make sense though

But ye it would be nice

So u have more agency I guess

[pliant remnant]

I'll take the QoL over it making sense

[static glacier]

I mean does it make sense anyway?

How does a poison I injected into someone’s bloodstream radiate and poison shit around them 😂

[proper hare]

puking frfr

[pliant remnant]

You mutilate them

and then their wounds cartoonishly ooze out poison

but in like violent spurts

[barren yarrow]

So I read the changes blizz did with our tier set. Vial tincture at 5 stacks instead of 6. I mean will we even notice the difference?

I mean 1 less stack is nice but I’m not convinced it’s game changing.

[sharp mural]

I think you missed this part :

Nerub-ar Palace 2-Set Bonus: Chance to trigger Vile Tincture increased.
Nerub-ar Palace 2-Set Bonus: Vile Tincture’s poison damage buff now correctly affects Envenom, Kingsbane, and appropriate Hero Talent effects.

[barren yarrow]

Oh geez. Yeah actually I didn’t see that. Someone in guild disc talking about it.

so I hopped on here lol.

DENNGGGGG. Thats love.

[normal mist]

Just check the pins

[barren yarrow]

will that be for the upcoming week then?

[subtle tundra]

yes

[sharp mural]

wednesday

[subtle tundra]

on reset we are a top spec

im capping

[barren yarrow]

🥹

[subtle tundra]

sorry

[barren yarrow]

we were fucking laughed at last expac. Now, we reign supreme.

[quaint dragon]

did crest cap ever get removed in prev seasons i forgor

[sharp mural]

I'm not entirely sure whether it's gonna be that gamebreaker in mono tho. 4% mono doesn't seem that huge

[subtle tundra]

it isnt lol

[barren yarrow]

How do we get the death stalker role? I checked pins but I can’t click on it lol.

[sharp mural]

4% of crap is still crap imo

[subtle tundra]

im brings from top somewhere below mid to somewhere above mid imo 🙂

[normal mist]

#assassination message

I got you

[gentle aurora]

Fellow key pushers - has anyone else found that Blightbone's (first boss in Necrotic Wake) Heaving Retch cast is really buggy with Cloak of Shadows? i.e. sometimes it negates 100% of the damage and sometimes it just doesn't? It's nature damage so I thought it should work 100% of the time?

[bold drum]

First second of cloak gives you a giga immune that works on the wretch

[woeful meteor]

need to take the hit with the true immunity at the start of cloak

[bold drum]

So if you cloak with less than one second left on the wretch cast you negate everything

Alternatively evasion works aswell

[gritty laurel]

i think you can also evasion that one for easier timing

yeah that

[gentle aurora]

had no idea. thanks you peeps

so evasion has true immunity for 1 second too, or it just works because it's phys dmg?

[bold drum]

Evasion just works for it for the full duration

Only cloak has the 1 sec true immune

[gentle aurora]

tyvm

[royal lantern]

and still playing sub on court

[subtle tundra]

Me?

I'm not playing court

Lol

[royal lantern]

B A S E D

fuck council fights

yes it counts as a council fight in my head

[subtle tundra]

I didn't bother learning sub cause I thought assa was good enough for all the fights

But also sub is really easy

So that's a fake excuse

[royal lantern]

the excuse is

you send them a screnshot of trickster sub