assassination

[past forum]

tanks shouldnt worry about you restealthing cause you want them to chain pull anyway

[keen spruce]

I mean during the end of a pull while chaining would likely be one of the lower % failure points

[still wharf]

look im familiar with class discords and i understand the nuance and context. im asking a very specific question. I have my answer I appreciate it

[keen spruce]

Which is where a lot of people use it

[still wharf]

thank you kindly

[keen spruce]

Still inconsistent

[still wharf]

ya

i prob wont do it

[keen spruce]

But more consistent

[still wharf]

im belf :S

[dry pendant]

ilvl and key?

[keen spruce]

Unless you’re in nosebleed keys it doesn’t rly matter anyways

I played velf forever and almost got title a couple of times

Totally dead racial

[past forum]

i levelled a bunch of rogues during the prepatch event cause i was bored. decided i'd try out playing my nelf one this patch. definitely regret it, been missing stoneform something wicked fierce

[kindred hinge]

Yup same here, can't even remember to use the teleport 80% of the time. Stil ldoesnt matter

[still wharf]

i just can't be a dwarf but my ears perked up when i thought of NE after it was mentioned earlier

[past forum]

yeah if you like the way it looks then its bis for you for sure

[keen spruce]

I used it during echo of nelth wipes to chase people around

And on razegath

[past forum]

i have a velf priest and to this day i still dont know how it works

[kindred hinge]

Last time I used it in raid was .. on Ghuun I think? Was VE already open can't even remember

[keen spruce]

U throw a thing

Then u recast to tp to the thing

Actually very cool ability

[kindred hinge]

Yeah a lot of potential on paper but we already have other tool that do the same and use less brain power

[past forum]

ohhhhh okay i thought it was like monk port and i was like wtf why this not working

[kindred hinge]

But sometime I wish I could be a dwarf, passive way too comfortable

[keen spruce]

It’s kind of like monk port but your clone drifts away in the direction you throw it. And only lasts for a few seconds

[keen spruce]

I’d play dwarf in an instant if they didn’t look like fuckin dwarfs

Foul mountain hobos

WATCH’ER STEHP

Lookin ass

[fleet pagoda]

female DI Dwarves

[kindred hinge]

CD on toy to race change is way too long to be a viable alterative

[shut leaf]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[kindred hinge]

ANyway, how are you guys finding the season M+ Pool ? Having fun ?

[keen spruce]

I don’t play wow but it looks pretty gud

Stonevault kinda cringe

[kindred hinge]

Really started to enjoy sin once in the 10/11 range and my ret mate stopped explooding every single pack befoore I could set up

[drowsy ingot]

what weak Aura mainly need ?

[keen spruce]

NW weps still a little cringe

[still wharf]

Mists is the best dungeon ever

[keen spruce]

Mist maze still a little cringe

[still wharf]

We just need DoS

and i'm set

[runic hinge]

works really ggood for pvp

cast behind pillar and run the other way

[fleet pagoda]

Theater of Pain was slept on

[keen spruce]

ToP low key beans

[still wharf]

high key beans

[keen spruce]

But a few bright spots

[kindred hinge]

I loved Spire and Plaguefall/Theater would rather had those ones, but as long as it was not Sanguine I am happy with both SL dj

[keen spruce]

DoS also beans

Fuckin unkillabke hakkar

7 years of run backs

[still wharf]

bricking the TOP key for the 1v1

[kindred hinge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[keen spruce]

Macagon area hallways

[drowsy ingot]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[keen spruce]

[still wharf]

i really loved SL man

[kindred hinge]

NW is not the same without the vanish 100% Crit Spear

[keen spruce]

That was gross

Weps need to go

And bosses need to get chilled tf out

[kindred hinge]

THey are not that bad tbh now

[fleet pagoda]

dungeon gimmicks

[keen spruce]

IF THEY EXIST THEY BAD

[kindred hinge]

Spear does not do massive damage the debuff is good, orbs are fine but not as op as before. Shield change is great

[keen spruce]

any damage is too much damage

[kindred hinge]

The thing is that without the weps, NW is low key boring now

[silver copper]

Somehow when i sim with dead-eye spyglass ilvl+7 than my usual trinket, i sim lower

[keen spruce]

Nw just a little beans

[silver copper]

I have ara-kara and void reaper's atm

[keen spruce]

Everything after 2nd boss pretty cheeks

Gauntlet, low uptime boss, followed by a boss with a 0 uptime gauntlet built in

[fleet pagoda]

sounds like mists

[kindred hinge]

I am fine with third being hard,, but for the love of fun the last one was always way too long when tyranical, which is always now. Only seen it in 11 for now I can't imagine what it will be in 12 and higher

[fiery vapor]

hi! a question

[marsh grail]

any zekvir gamers

how tf do i beat this shit without losing my monitor in the process

[kindred hinge]

You group 4 people and you roll it

[keen spruce]

Hard ain’t the problem. The whole whole upstairs before the 3rd boss is just dookey design

[fiery vapor]

with improve ambush, u need to use when proc free ambush or mutilate?

? :C

[keen spruce]

Endwyr has a video on YouTube of a solo kill

[keen spruce]

You can’t mutilate when you proc a free ambush

Your mutilate turns into ambush

[fiery vapor]

ohhhh

[keen spruce]

[fiery vapor]

i see

[bitter trout]

Anyone got the buff ID for clear the witness?

[marsh grail]

tyty

[keen spruce]

Rare Pooh in assas

[bitter trout]

Raid prog,not by choice

[keen spruce]

236273?

That’s the spell I’d

I think

There’s a few

Idk

[spice spire]

@slate crown has a WA for CTW specifically

[keen spruce]

Even better

[slate crown]

!wa in collection

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[keen spruce]

Wait for LE to figure it out then copy

[slate crown]

use idtip

[bitter trout]

457178 I got it

tyty

[keen spruce]

Idk wut that is

Can u make a WA explaining idtip @slate crown

[bitter trout]

I can do that

But what is the spellid for wa?

[slate crown]

[bitter trout]

[slate crown]

0

[uncut knot]

Hey, now that we can apply wax on weapons, is it bis for MM+ ? or oil still better?

[limber lion]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax Cannot be applied to weapons above 610 item level
Some more caveats:

• If it's a bug and we're supposed to be able to apply it, its roughly on par with whetstones.
• If you die, wax instantly stops working and you have to unequip your dagger and re-equip

[cerulean walrus]

Bro missed the boat

I miss my tapioca pudding weapon enhancement

[keen spruce]

Stones are best but expensive, oils fine

[keen spruce]

Dunkin daggies in the jello

[cerulean walrus]

The proc was always so funny

Other people could see it too

Splash that pudding

[modern harbor]

!Bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character

[heavy coral]

can somebody do a help me idk if im just stupid but my sudden demise meant to be this low on overall

[keen spruce]

Key go up. SD go down

As a % of your damage

[heavy coral]

it was +2

[keen spruce]

Oh

More than one rogue?

[heavy coral]

nope ret and monk

[keen spruce]

Are u gettin bleeds on everything?

Not really much expression on that ability

[cloud berry]

quick question, if you go double crit on belt wrist, you still get ascension on the dagger?

[keen spruce]

Just put dots and it goes boom

[heavy coral]

yep

[keen spruce]

[heavy coral]

maybe i play other talents

[cerulean walrus]

Garret 1 Garret 2 Garret 3

[keen spruce]

Idk maybe bleeds just had lower duration when stuff died

[young dust]

does dawnthread lining really stack? real question because my buff says otherwise

[heavy coral]

you need to die and it will fix

[drifting cloud]

it can bug, you can get a weakaura that tells you when its bugged

[cerulean walrus]

You don’t need to do something so drastic lmao

Just take damage

[heavy coral]

oh lol

[warped zinc]

die

[keen spruce]

No I gotta kermit

[warped zinc]

[keen spruce]

Do a flip

[young dust]

rip repair

[cerulean walrus]

I mean hey

Fair enough

[keen spruce]

Go stand in the forge

[cerulean walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/blm-gif-25815938

[young dust]

taking damage didn't fix though

gonna try dying

[true rapids]

thats 3 embellishments and wouldnt work

[keen spruce]

They even made a buff resetting device

In the main city

[young dust]

where?

[keen spruce]

The forge thing

That squishes u

[cerulean walrus]

The forge hammer

Get crushed

[drifting cloud]

[cerulean walrus]

The footage ends up on liveleak

[cloud berry]

ah capped at 2 ty

[runic hinge]

!dawnthread

[prisma monolith]

Dawnthread has the same bug as Blue Silk Lining from Dragonflight where it fails to stack.
In order to fix it and trigger your second Dawnthread, take damage to drop under 80% health, then heal back up.

[cerulean walrus]

Every time I finish a Grim Batol and don’t get the trinket

[runic hinge]

don't let these bozos kill you

[cerulean walrus]

Time for the forge hammer

[keen spruce]

0% < 80%

[cerulean walrus]

Surely my innumerable deaths will sway my karma towards the trinket

[keen spruce]

And rezzing is instant heal

[cerulean walrus]

Plus you get an achievement the first time

And you get an achievement for the 100th time

[keen spruce]

I think I escaped Mexico w/o sunburn

My feet got a little crispy but I think we’re good

[quartz cloak]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[timid marsh]

when is the best way to use mandate?

[quartz cloak]

!pi

[timid marsh]

!si

[ocean ferry]

when we maintain rupture on 5 targets should i refresh in pandemic window or should i refresh when a buff falls off to get more envenoms out before?

[hybrid lion]

Your ruptures fall off, your regen sucks. Gonna take longer getting new ruptures up and start envenoms again 🤔

[ocean ferry]

yeah thats why i'm wondering whats better^^

[tawny geyser]

Where are my fellow unlucky Skardyn farmers? I wonder how many of us are still on the hunt😂

[keen spruce]

The answer for anything in m+ is “it depends” but as a general rule it better to start refreshing early in pandemic so you have enough globals to get them all refreshed before the last few fall off

But if mobs are gonna start dying off soon then maybe bit

Not

And if some might die and some have high up then maybe just refresh on a couple

[fluid vessel]

is there a soft cap in mastery ?

[west crown]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[limber lion]

All stats have diminishing returns

[cyan summit]

during raid boss , when i do garrote i somtimes get 1 or 2 combo points

which talent is that ??

[noble jackal]

!Craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[blazing jewel]

Seal fate

[keen spruce]

[blazing jewel]

[thorn fjord]

90 crests for mythic craft is annoying lol

Pugging 9’s and higher is a slog

[keen spruce]

This is the way

[frozen iris]

What is the command

for plater profiles

[glacial crypt]

I believe it's

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[glacial crypt]

!!!

I freaking remembered yes team

[keen spruce]

Did u get trinket?

[glacial crypt]

no I was boosting heroic 😭

This character finally has public logs

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kG6YcJtA1PqzvTd7

608 ilvl goes hard

[subtle tundra]

Well that's the point, if you want mythic lvl gear

[glacial crypt]

For mythic level gear you should be farming bops rn

[subtle tundra]

I do

Lol

I have waist and shoulders from that

👍

[glacial crypt]

now that is lucky

We keep getting cloth heads

[subtle tundra]

Not really

We did a whole lot

We did have 2 leather shoulders in the same run

[ruby birch]

anyone went through nw

and then the hook guys on third boss

just dont hook anything

they do the cast, but no hook

[eager tree]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax Cannot be applied to weapons above 610 item level
Some more caveats:

• If it's a bug and we're supposed to be able to apply it, its roughly on par with whetstones.
• If you die, wax instantly stops working and you have to unequip your dagger and re-equip

[eager tree]

half the time when i cloak the fear on mists first boss it works, then half the time i get feared. anyone else notice something similar?

[keen spruce]

Koodle

[lavish ruin]

Anyone feel ike they are energy starved real bad all of a sudden on bosses in M+?

[keen spruce]

Not all of a sudden

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[keen spruce]

Just how the spec works

[sudden hound]

you have to cloak immune the fear. use cloak in the last second of the cast and it will work every time

[hollow talon]

Is it worth vanishing to apply deathmark in m+ if I'm a dungus and I forgot to apply deathmark at the start of the pull

[sudden hound]

the alternative is not using your hero talents

[eager tree]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[zealous crag]

Hello I put 2 embelish for the crit > 80% PV except that I have the impression that it does not stack. Is it a bug?

[eager tree]

take dmg below the threshold then heal back up

[west crown]

^

[weary juniper]

and ye, u just need to do it once

[junior yoke]

it's been a long 45 minutes

[hollow geyser]

what poisons do we use in m+

[hollow talon]

Deadly amp

Mind slow

[hollow geyser]

ty

[normal mist]

!POISON

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[barren yarrow]

Anyone know where to get other roles? Like death stalker or SD

[normal mist]

each channel has a pin directed to that

ours is: #assassination message

and outlaw: #outlaw message

and finally sub: #subtlety message

[dawn heath]

worth to take caustic on hc bloodbound? (2nd boss)

[lime delta]

would it be possible to make a WA that track total garrotes and ruptures applied across a pulled pack

[summer sequoia]

!mut

[gloomy otter]

https://i.imgur.com/lsmkbMe.png

is this really that much of a difference if i would change my trinket?

[summer sequoia]

I'm guessing when Darkest Night procs I don't care about wasting combo points? I just want that full envenom and the Deathstalker stacks?

[normal mist]

its 0.1%

[keen spruce]

Probably… but why tho

[lime delta]

I have a problem with trying to rupture and garrote too many targets beyond what is needed for regen in m+

I mean later into the pull when things start to fall off

[normal mist]

you can track scent of blood

[lime delta]

Im playing caustic..

[normal mist]

yes?

[lime delta]

yes

[normal mist]

what does that has to do with scent of blood

[keen spruce]

I think a better solution would be to address your plater UI so you have a easier time tracking that information naturally on nameplates

[willow cloud]

holy fuck have they really not fixed the "you can't ingore any more players" problem?

[keen spruce]

More granular and useful info about which mobs need bleed refreshes instead of just a number

But tracking scent of blood stacks would at least give you a rough estimate of how many you have out yeah

Should be a pretty ez setup in WA

[sullen mural]

Never know what combo i want to play ngl

[lime delta]

oh I see thanks, I was thinking about the talent that shares node with caustic

[summer sequoia]

Any thoughts on macro-ing Thistle Tea with Shiv?

[slate crown]

It's not ideal but you can

[raven egret]

they are both on the gcd that wont help you much

[slate crown]

Tea is ogcd

[raven egret]

oh wait

tea

nvm me I cant read english today

[sullen mural]

just like feint soon

holy i cant wait

[raven egret]

i want my Wax back

[scarlet wyvern]

how much haste should i have on assa?

[raven egret]

What would have been the point of intoducing Wax if it just cant be used in current expac

[raven egret]

however much your sims says

[viral aurora]

Edging

[lime delta]

stacks

[summer sequoia]

I'm already fucking up the order of my shivs with my kingsbane sometimes (since the talents swap 1x or 2x shivs), so removing thistle tea as another button to 'fuck up/forget' would be nice

[subtle oyster]

Tea is being turned into a passive so

[keen spruce]

Kind of

[vernal gate]

Can we expect the mists stealth bug to be fixed in 2024

[raven egret]

No, its being given a passive proc, but its not turned into a passive itself

[keen spruce]

It wasn’t fixed for the entirety of SL

so my money is on no

[dawn heath]

can u prestack s&d before a key?

[bitter jetty]

If you have 1 charge of shiv, is it better to hold it for last 8 seconds of kinngsbane? Or send it like shiv>kingsbane anyway?

[bitter jetty]

I do it when I play outlaw, usually AR-rtb-snd

[dawn heath]

as assa tho?

[bitter jetty]

I have no idea how

[dawn heath]

turnip/dummy i guess

[acoustic roost]

The damage of kingsbane ramps at the end so the shiv is better for the last 8 seconds

[novel star]

just evasion and smack a mob

i don’t know if this works it prolly doesn’t

[grizzled geyser]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[keen spruce]

Pretty sure turnips are like mostly deadge

In dungeons

[bitter jetty]

Thanks 🥹

[keen spruce]

Also the last tick of KB is at 0.00

So don’t fire shiv early

Or it kinda defeats the whole purpose

7s better than 8.01

[bitter jetty]

Non minmax at like 7-6s

I see

[keen spruce]

Really any time between 8-7 won’t miss a KB tick

And you’ll get roughly the same value

[bitter jetty]

Got it

[keen spruce]

Or is it every 2s I can’t remember

But I get the idea

U

[bitter jetty]

Yep

I hope now I can oneshot tirna skitt’s 1 boss

[radiant charm]

kinda new w a lvl 52 rouge what should i be doing to get good gear?

[keen spruce]

Just spam dungeons and get levels

[bitter jetty]

Get lvl 80 xD

[raven egret]

Well first you got to spell Rogue correctly

then spam dungeons XD

[keen spruce]

Rouges are overpowdered

Was our old guild name

[radiant charm]

chill im rolling and typing lmfao

[raven egret]

In the grim darkness of the sin discord, there is only chill

[keen spruce]

More like the eepy silliness

Nothin grim or dark about this place

Except whispyr’s mental

[bitter jetty]

Poor whispyr

[misty kernel]

am lacking int bro so i had to do it 😦

[balmy condor]

New rogue or nah?

[misty kernel]

nah

they will refund me my crest

and spark

https://tenor.com/view/moutai-trust-the-process-ninja-gif-9314499932393373698

[balmy condor]

[raven egret]

Being smart is smart, smart move

[fleet copper]

yo guys

is siphoning stiletto good

or grief?

[raven egret]

Forget that it exists

[keen spruce]

Doo doo beans

[arctic socket]

Siphoning stiletto is a no go

[thorn fjord]

Did that Italian last night give you doodoo beans?

[keen spruce]

No it fixed the runs I was fighting all week

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/yess-yes-gif-25420589

[keen spruce]

Some carbs and protein

But the tp down here was not the most gentle

So I’m not in great shape

I just need to survive this 7 hour flight

[thorn fjord]

Poop on the plane

Be the evil you were destined to be

[keen spruce]

[zenith prairie]

How are we supposed to survive Siege 12 final boss

The tick on dot with slam kills through feint unless you preshadow?

[uneven marsh]

!embellish

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[arctic socket]

Running elusiveness?

[keen spruce]

With elusiveness?

[zenith prairie]

oof

[arctic socket]

Should be fine with elusiveness

[zenith prairie]

yeah I guess I have to stop being a cheat death gamer

[arctic socket]

Anything over 10?

I would run elusiveness

[lyric coral]

is there easy way to understand assa rotation ? wowhead not helping idk why

[oak obsidian]

could any of you guys reccomend a good m+ assa rogue guide cuz i have been strugling lately with dps

[zenith prairie]

Yeah I shouldve swapped I completely forgot about it tbh

[raven egret]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[raven egret]

^ these

[arctic socket]

Wowhead gives you the opener always do that, after that it’s just kinda dot uptime management n sometimes you pool energy to keep envenom up

[raven egret]

the rotation is straight up on wowhead so not sure what's wrong with it

[nocturne sorrel]

Anyone here been able to beat ?? Zekvir solo?

[arctic socket]

There’s also a section where it tells you everything

[glacial crypt]

one of my army

[rotund oak]

yeah i did twice today on my alts as well

its just easy

[raven egret]

You're easy

[rotund oak]

spec ur brann healer with arrowhead and amorphic

dodge stuff zekvir dies eventually

always swap on the thingy and u will be fine

[vital dew]

Why the crap doesnt deathstalker work with garrote :/

[forest acorn]

do you kick the poison spittle or the regen?

[sweet dawn]

yeah i can't figure out how to live the spittle after cloak/vanish are down

if brann doesn't dispel i just die

[rotund oak]

the poison ofc

u have to survive

u cant nuke 80mil

boss will outlast u

just survive and dodge

[native heron]

@balmy condor do you think you’ll make rotation guides? For some reason I’m a fucking idiot and my reading comprehension is shit. Lol

[spice surge]

He has

[dawn heath]

super hard to judge if im doing okay on the spec or not

when playing keys

not sure how much im supposed to do you know

[rotund oak]

well do u time them?

[dawn heath]

i dont care about that

im just talkinga bout dps

[rotund oak]

what do u care for

[dawn heath]

if im playing my rotation right

[rotund oak]

the main objective is timing

..

[dawn heath]

dude

im here trying to learn the class

i am timing my keys

but that doesnt matter

[balmy condor]

Already did like a month ago

[dawn heath]

dmg breakdown for mist

[rotund oak]

im speechless by the fact that u wanna learn the class by judging from dps but ur breakdown looks kinda ok

[dawn heath]

i am doing about 1.35m without aug

ive just been spamming mists now

[rotund oak]

in general spatter on top,envenom in par with garrote,ct afterwards and rupture a bit less

if anything we could have a better view if u post some logs

so we could spot any mistakes

[limber lion]

Hard to say if it's good or not because it's so reliant on route, comp, how big the pulls are, what the key level is and so on

Like I might do a key and do 1m dps overall

Then do a key right after and sit at 2.5m

It fluctuates massively

[dawn heath]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QgMvV7cH4x3pr2wJ#fight=last&type=damage-done

[radiant charm]

im new asf but rn i should js lvl?

[limber lion]

Yes

[radiant charm]

ty

[native heron]

Oh gosh thank you so much, I appreciate you!

[woven shore]

Wtf is season of discoveryc

Can i do that in retail

[limber lion]

No

[woven shore]

I NEED That dagger

Wtf

[limber lion]

It's a Classic Andy thing

[woven shore]

😡

[rotund oak]

mr @balmy condor sir can u thread this plz

[woven shore]

Fuck blizzard seriously

[hushed elbow]

Anyone have an idea why void reaper contract consistently sims higher than dead-eye?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a8tbjDV324Dxw8iFAEPtt8

Do i just have too much crit?

[balmy condor]

Aljan log

[limber lion]

Because Contract is a good trinket and so is Spyglass

Could be that you have more crit so it loses value

Could be something else

They're both good trinkets

Looks like this in Bloodmallet

Pretty much neck and neck

[hushed elbow]

thats good transparency, thanks

[limber lion]

Npnp

[haughty lantern]

can anyone give me a reason to my bountiful delves? Is there anything that could be champ/hero track that would be REALLY good for us? (specifically for sin rogue)

[hushed elbow]

yeah

tmog

[haughty lantern]

cringe

[vital dew]

is assassination any good for delves?

[hushed elbow]

I got a hero track ring that is mastery heavy with crit, very good unless you haev a mithic ring

[limber lion]

Yeh

[vital dew]

sweet I will learn your ways

[limber lion]

If you're fully decked out in hero gear and have Skardyn's + another really good raid/m+ trinket, then probably not no

But for people who are still rocking champ/veteran gear, they're great

[nocturne sorrel]

? Is easy. ?? Is not from what I've seen.

[rotund oak]

its rly easy

[pulsar plank]

when tank chain pulls another pack mid fight when vanish off cd. What do I do?

[rotund oak]

not simply easy

[fleet pagoda]

transfer ruptures to new group, keep CT rollin, caustic and envenoms

[pulsar plank]

Do I just go crimson tempest + caustic spatter untill 5 rupture target dies.

[nocturne sorrel]

Make a video and show us.

[fleet pagoda]

yah that's fine, but wanna make sure you have some rups out for scent/energy

sbs kinda clutch for that too, saves you a couple globals setting up on new group

[pulsar plank]

alright thanks man

[rotund oak]

if u want a video to see how its done google one,pretty sure endwyr has one,copied her the 1st time my brann was 28 lvl,now that its 42 i dont even bother

again,Brann healer with arrowhead+amorphic

take a potion if u feel uncomfortable and dodge the mechanics

[vital dew]

it is an absolute sin that deathstalkers mark doesnt apply with garrote

[normal mist]

2 weeks ago it was different

[rotund oak]

now its even easier

[normal mist]

2 weeks ago brann would solo the boss

[rotund oak]

not as a healer

[normal mist]

the "its even easier" is subjective

mfuker casts like a machine gun

[rotund oak]

like idk whats hard with zekvir now

[serene solar]

Nah tbh it was easier at first. People were clearing the zekvir second fight at like 590 ilvl with brann on dps at level 20. Just kite and let him do the work.

[worldly sail]

play outlaw for infinite cdr and zekvir falls over

[sonic zinc]

does the "funnel" node still cause lag with caustic

[limber lion]

Nah

[dark thorn]

So shitty having to choose between Silence garrot and second kriss charge

[limber lion]

Idk

Rocking both personally

[dark thorn]

Oh that's a good build i'll try that

thx

[limber lion]

Npnp

[spice surge]

Amp poison is fun though, big bang envenoms

[dark thorn]

Sims way lower than classic amp poison tho 😦

[lyric coral]

is it the one with Cooldown Sequence Deathstalker AoE ? there 2 aoe opener for Deathstalker

[little cipher]

Anyone else dying on first boss NW using cloak? ( For the targeted frontal)

[spice surge]

Ye it goes through cloak

Like tons of other things in revamped dungeons do

[fleet pagoda]

has anybody seen if evasion can immune the golem frontals in stonevault?

[shell ivy]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[latent sand]

Any good assa rogue guides that arent icy veins?

[spice surge]

Wowhead

[latent sand]

😡

[spice surge]

?

[latent sand]

Haha

[novel star]

wowhead guide is the best one

most updated

[marble hemlock]

why you hating on me?

[novel star]

[latent sand]

I got some really weird results from wowhead and icy back in the past so i favored guides by some top players, cant remember any names tho

[novel star]

i mean

look at wowhead and icy like you look at fuckin ign or something

the site doesnt matter

its just a bunch of individual guide writers

who are paid by that site to put their guide on it

theres good and bad wowhead guides

we have a good one

[marble hemlock]

guess neither whispyr nor myself are top players

[novel star]

also that lol

seli and whispyr arent randoms

[latent sand]

Well i didnt know you wrote it :c

[balmy condor]

Old ass peaked in legion on god

[marble hemlock]

at least i had a peak buddy

[novel star]

fucked up

[marble hemlock]

only way youre peaking is by rolling a ball along a lane 20times in a row

[balmy condor]

Yeah I’ve never been on a downswing my trend is just a straight line up

[latent sand]

I will consult with your guide lil kitty

[marble hemlock]

but ye memes aside

whispyr writes the wowhead and method guides, i write the icy veins ones

[spice surge]

Could you put down your flag? I need to step over the lasers real quick

[marble hemlock]

and we regularly consult with one another, and other people, to provide the best info possible

[latent sand]

Alright

Lets give it a go

[marble hemlock]

whispyr is a bigger nerd, so he covers a few more builds than my guide does, for example

[junior aurora]

seli peaked in the big leagues though

[marble hemlock]

but between the two, it really just comes down to preference, info is gonna be the same as youll find on here

[junior aurora]

he even landed himself a job at raider io probably making pennies

[marble hemlock]

not gonna comment on that, but even if it were true, the people working at r.io are, without exception, some of the most amazing people ive ever had the pleasure of working with

[cobalt sphinx]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[spice surge]

Everytime i consult with whispyr he responds with this emote

[marble hemlock]

ye well

[junior aurora]

yeah i dont doubt that

kinda have to be passionate too

[marble hemlock]

at least he doesnt tell you to drink bleach when you talk about what sims he could do

i just wanted to know how much better/worse transmitter+skardyns double on-use tech is

[spice surge]

Atleast that tech is dead

[marble hemlock]

ye

thank fucking god

[uncut knot]

Hey is there options in wow base ui options that allows u to track less dots ? CF picture...

Cant seem to find it

[winged python]

Does feint reduce the tick damage from stepping in a puddle? Like pools from last boss mists

[uncut knot]

And im not comfortable with plater im too used to baseline ui

[spice surge]

Sometimes

Theres no rule or consistency, sometimes it does, sometimes it doesnt

For mists pool specifically i dont know

[keen glade]

download plater

[soft shale]

no base UI is krangled as f

[keen glade]

plater + whispyr's profile

[marble hemlock]

i hate that feint doesnt reduce dam from the tank explosion on brood

[spice surge]

Yep its clearly not an aoe ability

[royal lantern]

you are not in the world first race and not in the top5 r.io ranking

[soft shale]

the spir from 1st boss of necrotic wake is also funny

[royal lantern]

sorry, not a top player

smh my head

[soft shale]

it does dmg in aoe

but it is an attack

but can be cloaked at last sec

[royal lantern]

you can evasion it

[soft shale]

and normal feint does nto work

yes you can evasion it

because it is an attack

[royal lantern]

and monks can dodge it with with their "you get stacking dodge% until you dodge" talent

[soft shale]

didnt only tanks get that?

or does ww have it too

[marble hemlock]

well at least you can just evasion that one

dont ask me how

[royal lantern]

ww gets it aswell

[soft shale]

yea it is a funny one

super krangled attack

guess 1 sec cloak work because the trigger is nature

even if it is not a spell

[marble hemlock]

i just watched tettles and dratnos read copypastas in an uwu voice

i need god

[soft shale]

lul in liquid stream or echo

[spice surge]

It should just work in general but

[marble hemlock]

liquid

[spice surge]

My condolences

[soft shale]

nah that would make too much sense

like slice and dice talent working

[marble hemlock]

ye sikran aoe raid shit is weird as well

immune cloak works but regular does not

[soft shale]

yea it is an attack but trigger is shadow

[royal lantern]

whats worse

the uwu part, or the tettles/dratnos part?

[soft shale]

so if you skip trigger with 1 sec cloak you dont get dmg

WOW THINGS

[spice surge]

It unironically doesnt even do that much damage if you fuck up

[soft shale]

[marble hemlock]

idk

they were both bad

tettles was worse

cuz he got the cringier copypasta

[spice surge]

But ye last second cloak works

[marble hemlock]

and he wore fake glasses and a mustache

[soft shale]

yea i just use cloak there because our spec is done so well if you go out of auto range dmg cataclysms

[barren yarrow]

Very good rotation guide on god.

🙏🏼

[balmy condor]

Ty

[shut oak]

How do you guys keep track of your bleeds in big pulls? Is there a WA?

[pure moth]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[blazing pumice]

coloured nameplates

with plater

[summer remnant]

I just had to reroll to rogue for myth raid, before I commit to crafts is Assa currently the recommended raiding spec for prog?

[shut oak]

thanks ill try Whispyrs Plater

[spice surge]

Either assa or sub, both are fine

[blazing pumice]

anyone know how to change the decimal behaviour in weakaura? trying to change whispyrs pack so that clear the witnesses and the display text for IC show decimals before the 1s mark

[summer remnant]

ty

[blazing pumice]

i thought you could change the %p to something

[blazing pumice]

thx you're a boss

[limber lion]

Np

[brazen lantern]

thanks for the intellectual insight

[ebon notch]

thanks for the intellectual insight

[limber lion]

@trail locust did you summon these guys

[ebon notch]

wdym these guys

wth

[blazing jewel]

[ebon notch]

@blazing jewel do you llike new name

[blazing jewel]

it will be 30 gamer gummies for the coaching

[shut oak]

does Whispyrs Plater not have Crimson Tempest tracked on the enemies?

[blazing jewel]

and a can of nocco

[limber lion]

No

He tracks it with his Weakauras

[shut oak]

Ah ty

[balmy condor]

There’s technically a red border for CT

But it’s hard to see on purpose

[trail locust]

yes i am warlock

[shut oak]

which WA do you use for CT then?

[trail locust]

agony

[limber lion]

He has his own package

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

It’s just a standard target weakaura

[shut oak]

Ohhh ok perfect thanks!

[dense cove]

Is there a way to see the average overall damage dealt in a nine stone vault key?

[limber lion]

If you use Details, it will automatically do that after the key

[flint marsh]

did 144k dps in LFR with no weapons equipped, assass is overpowered

[limber lion]

Like something like this is what it shows after the key

[dense cove]

Sorry, I should have been more clear. I did 1.4 million average DPS. I know there are a lot of variables, but I was hoping to see how I stack up against other assassination rugs in the same.

[limber lion]

Ah right

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/39#boss=12652&bracket=9&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination

This is the best we have

[dense cove]

Ahhh there we go, thank you!!

[limber lion]

But do note that the numbers in Details and Warcraftlogs differ A LOT

So you should log your dungeons and compare your logs to other people

[blazing pumice]

whenever you top damage significantly you should post overall damage in party chat too, to check that details isn't bugged

[pure moth]

So you punched the bosses?

[flint marsh]

my rotation was slice and dice, fan of knives, deathmark, kingsbane, fan of knives x 50

[peak saffron]

oil of deep toxins any good for keys?

[normal mist]

not really

[peak saffron]

vs whetstone

[shut oak]

what about Bubbling Wax?

[limber lion]

Not working anymore

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax Cannot be applied to weapons above 610 item level
Some more caveats:

• If it's a bug and we're supposed to be able to apply it, its roughly on par with whetstones.
• If you die, wax instantly stops working and you have to unequip your dagger and re-equip

[vital dew]

Only annoying part about this incarnation of assassination is settin up my keybinds :[

[shy pecan]

Huge

[glacial crypt]

😠

[runic hinge]

You’re goated

[sour oasis]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[royal python]

Is there a bug where tails coin pulls far away stuff

[silver burrow]

How do you guys deal with chainpulling tanks?

[warped stirrup]

hey. ive picked up assassination recently and my only problem with it RN is tracking garrote in AoE. is there any WA out there that can track how many garrotes you have up (similar to an atonement tracker, sorry i come from a healer. it was my only example) If not anything that can help with this problem (tips and such) TY in advance

[normal mist]

Its better if you focus on tracking how many ruptures you have out

due to how scent of blood works

[dawn heath]

btw are we supposed to sim omega low on single target in m+ spec?

i am 618 equipped and im simming 910k in m+ build (and thats with all raid buffs and consumes)

[normal mist]

sounds about right

[warped stirrup]

still same problem there tbf

[normal mist]

WA's can easily track that

[warped stirrup]

i can only find ones for current target so for bosses they'd be fine but trash, especially when there's 5+, becomes harder and more strenuous

[balmy condor]

I would’ve expected less tbh

[zinc frost]

Yeah pure ST in m+ spec is garbonzo

[balmy condor]

I mean pure st in any talent setup is garbage

We are not good in single target

This isn’t an m+ problem

[normal mist]

It's funny (not really) how we shifted to AoE and Lost all St

[cerulean walrus]

We do live in the goofiest timeline

[jovial junco]

Curious about where to obtain "Bubbling wax" anybody know ?

[cerulean walrus]

Doesn’t matter anymore cause it’s useless above 610 ilvl weapons

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax Cannot be applied to weapons above 610 item level
Some more caveats:

• If it's a bug and we're supposed to be able to apply it, its roughly on par with whetstones.
• If you die, wax instantly stops working and you have to unequip your dagger and re-equip

[jovial junco]

Oh well thats pointless

thanks

[shut oak]

My weapons are both 606 so it's still useful for me lol

[balmy condor]

Ouch

Craft yourself a dagger my guy

[grand sentinel]

!FUU

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[molten crow]

So im currently sitting at 1% haste, 34% crit and 43% mastery, should I be aiming for a bit more haste?

[fleet pagoda]

sim your options big dawg. sim enjoyers in here

[slate crown]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-crab-delicious-strawberry-snacking-gif-16719471

[glacial crypt]

omfg

[shut oak]

Since I already have bracers with Dawnthread Lining, if I craft a dagger should I just craft it without an embellishment?

[balmy condor]

ye

[shut oak]

kk

[glacial crypt]

that crab eating strawberry is the best thing i've ever seen in my entire life

[balmy condor]

https://imgur.com/7hAFgtD

[glacial crypt]

I've upset at bunnies right now

so that's done nothing but anger me

😠

[fleet pagoda]

crustaceans are the most vile, wretched, demonic creatures

but the bunny's catchin hate

[soft shale]

they both taste good at least

[balmy condor]

https://imgur.com/OP8a2tO

[soft shale]

racoons on the other hand not that much

but that jello seems tasty

[glacial crypt]

I've had a bad experience with bunny related things recently it's very frustrating

[glacial crypt]

now this is excellent

I quite like wee guy playing with the jello

[glacial crypt]

how could you possibly look at that gif and say this

[glacial crypt]

EVERYTHING ABOUT IT

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/doggy-lizard-reptile-crocodile-cute-funny-gif-26297879

[glacial crypt]

this is the best time in this channel

[fleet pagoda]

i worked on a lobstering vessel for a bit, we caught crabs along the way too ( ). truly ugly little fellers

[glacial crypt]

I hope you got that checked out

[fleet pagoda]

i was a seaman

[glacial crypt]

😭

[glacial crypt]

is that not like frame 1 content irl?

what have i even just said there hang on

how did even start working on a lobstering vessel

[fleet pagoda]

the same way as any job probably helps to be close to bodies of water too though

[glacial crypt]

water is really difficult though

I cannot swim

do lobster vessels have like

floaties on board

[fleet pagoda]

was CT still executing orbs last week? people were popping them fast and I couldn't tell if it was viable tech after beta

[round marsh]

what's the going assassination ST raid spec?

I was using something from Icy but I thnk that's probably not the best one

[fleet pagoda]

#assassination message the first link on that pin has a bunch of compared builds

you can try simming a few different talent setups, there's some competitive nodes that might come out different depending on the character being simmed

[round marsh]

gotchas, thanks Chunk

[lime delta]

does numbing poison work on raid bosses?

[fleet pagoda]

no, usually will default to atrophic for raid

[sour rune]

Should i be using Dawnthread x2 or Writhing Armor Banding/ Ascension?

[fleet pagoda]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[sour rune]

ty

[grave trail]

Numbing used to work on bosses well at least I remember in sire I used it does it not anymore?

For their basic attack swings

[stark musk]

https://overdue.rent/nUfsh

Unlucky

[misty kernel]

Thanks for the intellectual insight

[quartz osprey]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[flat kindle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[rugged oyster]

do we play cold blood in m+ ?

[balmy condor]

if you play fatebound yeah

deathstalker plays echoing reprimand

[rugged oyster]

i guess this is the best build for m+ from wowhead

[graceful umbra]

I have both champ path daggers from the raid on norm I used crests to push them to ilvl 619. Think crafting the dagger is still worth the investment? Or is it better to go with the wrist and belt? We are starting to push Heroic Tuesday

[fleet pagoda]

do you expect to have crests to craft the 636?

[peak musk]

!pool

[fleet pagoda]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[blissful cosmos]

I been having problems of having energy in kingsbane windows even with thistle tea

Is this normal

I honestly feel like assa is just energy starved ass spec

[gleaming spire]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[graceful umbra]

Yeah, I'm confident that we will start knocking down Heroic. I believe I will have them.

[near vale]

when should i wait to use shiv like 6 sec after kingsbane?

only if one charge?

[glacial crypt]

Yes

[jaunty basin]

can somone link the plater plz

[near vale]

so generally the m+ build

[glacial crypt]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[quartz osprey]

Anyone know what WA zero cool is using which shows the kingsbane ramp and spatter?

[snow valley]

hey, how do i copy/past that into the addon

[near vale]

which one

weakauras /wa then import plater /plater go to profile then import

[viral stump]

So which 2 crafting embellishments are best for Sun rogue?

Sin

[fickle girder]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[viral stump]

Thx! 👍

[meager plank]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[arctic venture]

Why acendance is going better on weapon in place of using 2 lining?

[balmy condor]

not enough uptime to make lining better in raids

[arctic venture]

indeed.

I will have to replace '1 of trhem for ascendance in my weapon

right?

that is the same case for m+?

[balmy condor]

m+ dawnthread has enough uptime

ascendence also drops off between pulls commonly

which hurts it

[arctic venture]

hummm.

thats going to be a problem because I just have 1 craft dagger for both

lol

[fleet pagoda]

crests from heroic will only net you crafts as high as 619. the crests to craft 636 are from mythic raid and keys +9 and higher

if you can craft a big dagger that'd probably be good, but if you don't have access to those crests then no reason to craft one at 619 if you already got two

[graceful umbra]

Ahh got it, once I'm doing 9's would the dagger be worth crafting over the wrist and belt?

[fleet pagoda]

it's always good to sim your options for yourself. you want high ilvl weapon for mh and that'd be a big jump, though

[graceful umbra]

True that, thanks for the advice.

[radiant charm]

BEEN WAITING FOREVER

[arctic venture]

@balmy condor simc is telling the change for ascendance and lining for m+ will also be better

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qi4tCgVobC3sD31Nztz44R

[snow valley]

amazing thanks dude

[mystic herald]

Can someone explain to me why not create Siphoning Stiletto

[tired gull]

it's not good

[balmy condor]

cool

[mystic herald]

But because of the damage it causes, or because it doesn't work well?

[balmy condor]

yes

[arctic venture]

Hehe cool I dont know it thats right

[balmy condor]

all of it

stiletto is just less damage, self damage, and not aoe

you literally damage yourself for less damage than any other embellishment

and it doesn't even do any aoe

incredible stuff

[arctic venture]

@mystic herald check the faq whispyr explain that good there

Wowhead faq

[keen spruce]

I have arrived in Seattle

[orchid adder]

real talk i have a 608 rogue and a 603 ret pally and i can reliably pump more damage on ret than I can with my rogue overall in mythics, am I just trash at rogue compared to ret or is ret just stronger around this ilvl and falls of later? its pretty disheartening to love my rogue but do less damage than my lower geared ret pala

[keen spruce]

I watched Coco and Moana

[raven egret]

Aight so another day where I can confirm that Skardyn's Grace does not exist (and I will still call anyone that claim they have it photoshopped or something)

[keen spruce]

🎵 reeeemeemmmber meeeeee 🎵

[raven egret]

I mean its impossible to know at what skill level you play either, paladin is easier to get the output out of, but Sin Rogue can slap overall in M+ as well

[keen spruce]

That ilvl is too low and to close together to make a reasonable guess about relative power.

You’re probably a little beans at rogue. It kind of complicated and hard to play well in m+

Ret is a more simple spec and performs well, I wouldn’t say it’s stronger than rogue

[orchid adder]

thats my gut feeling is that it's just so easy to play "right" on a ret pally but small mistakes on rogue can add up a lot over a run. Do you think a rogue/pala at the same ilvl in mythic+, the sin rogue should do better overall dps?

[shy pecan]

[keen spruce]

Layover

And customs

No one flies straight to Portland

[shy pecan]

[keen spruce]

I think at the high end rogue should out perform ret but probably not significantly

[keen spruce]

Almost 2 hour layover before a 40 min flight

[tough gorge]

At 603 and 608 what keys are you doing? Maybe mobs are doing too quick

[keen spruce]

[orchid adder]

i've only really just started tbh so the highest ive done is a 4 and I do feel mobs don't live all that long

[keen spruce]

Assas does shine in higher content

[tough gorge]

One big mistake I see in m+ for assa rogues is holding CDs too much as well.

[shy pecan]

[orchid adder]

thanks guys i think i just need to get good and stick with it

[willow cloud]

does shadowstep bug out during ansurek intermission? I feel like it inconsistently gives me no path to mobs that are clearly in line of sight even when i am airborne on pull

[orchid adder]

am i missing something but on the wowhead guide the best mythic+ talent tree for each dungeon is the same one? that makes life easier but just making sure lol

[keen spruce]

Yeah just play the hybrid build

No point in making changes until you’re way up in the nose bleed keys

No changes per dungeon or week

[spare flame]

am i dumb or is it just an absolute disaster if you dont get an ambush off on any given encounter? is there no other way to get a mark going?

[shy pecan]

Vanish > Ambush if someone prematurely pulls and pulls you out of stealth

[spare flame]

last boss of dawnbreaker? just lose the mark for the last phase?

[shut oak]

I hate when this happens

[spare flame]

is this our new reality

am i the only one enraged by this?

we just dont get a hero talent tree unless we get an ambush off?

[shy pecan]

It happens. You lose some damage if you're in imp. garrote, but whatever.

[spare flame]

half of mists you just get knocked out of combat for no reason

[novel star]

no

[spare flame]

like this spec is fun but this part of it is profoundly fucking stupid

[novel star]

half of the messages in this channel are upset about stealth breaks

idk just get your one ambush andur good for like the whole dungeon

unless ur tank blows cock

[fleet pagoda]

hold vanish for after he does his knockback in p2

[novel star]

^

p1 damage on rashanan is piss anyway

not relevant really

i never vanish opener on him

[spare flame]

like should i write a letter

[novel star]

you should adapt

:)

[shut oak]

let us see it first

[spare flame]

who should i send it to

im sending it to whispyr

and that fu guy he probably works for blizzard

[balmy condor]

don't fucking bother me with your stupid bitching

thanks

[shy pecan]

[spare flame]

lol

yeah fair

[keen spruce]

[orchid adder]

could always talent into without a trace so you always have vanish available if your mark drops

[spare flame]

im goin straight to the top

DEAR ION

actually Bill is the new boss technically

[upper wraith]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[zenith prairie]

whats the sim command?

[balmy condor]

what sim command

[orchid adder]

in the mythic build we only have one shiv, so I should continue to use this before kingsbane and not save it for the final part of it?

[keen spruce]

Last <8s remaining on kb

[slate crown]

!simguide this one?

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[orchid adder]

ahh alright, i'll give that a try. thanks for answering my questions

[keen spruce]

I play vicariously through ravenholdt questions now

[zenith prairie]

Thanks I fixed it simc just isnt working rn for me

[amber brook]

Do we not garrote in ST opener anymore?

[acoustic roost]

Who says that?

[keen spruce]

We certainly do

[amber brook]

idk i just saw that the rotation page changed entirely

[keen spruce]

Without SS you mutilate after garrote

[acoustic roost]

Might be lil unclear but you still garrote, you just mutilate after

If not talented into ss

[amber brook]

I see

[shut oak]

where is SS in the talent tree? Im blind

[balmy condor]

next to bone spike

[shut oak]

oh yeah i think all my specs have that

[hallow pelican]

jesus the DK discord is useless

[shut oak]

oh wait the raid ST build doesnt hm

[pliant terrace]

holy fuck I finally got it

ran 26 grim batols this week

[shut oak]

grats Grim Butthole is terrible

[haughty flicker]

1.7% pull from liquid

this boss is dying tonight

[arctic socket]

[uneven plume]

Should we play CT on first boss in Mythic?

[balmy condor]

hell no

[uneven plume]

or its jsut a bad

sin fight

[balmy condor]

every fight is a bad sin fight

rasha'nan I guess

[shut oak]

hahaha

[floral vale]

ovinax good sin fight

[balmy condor]

I mean

what's the definition of "good sin fight"

cause ovi'nax is a fight of frost dk and fury war

you're there for moral support

and boss dam

[floral vale]

yeah truly

in the sense of “best rogue spec for that fight”

[balmy condor]

yeh I guess

that's not a hard bar to clear to be fair

[floral vale]

sadly 😦

[keen spruce]

What is exile cookin on sub for ansurek