assassination

[novel star]

noone made it because it's fucking pointless and way too much effort

[dark token]

so i can stack em

[waxen oyster]

4-5 coffer fragment wqs

since launch

maybe eu is diff

[dark token]

i like stacking em

[novel star]

heres how long ur pre season bis matters man XD

[worldly sail]

i was reading a bit above, imagine if you had Deathmark, Deathstalker's Mark, and Marked for Death on sin. confuse the newcomers

[whole sand]

i've only got like 1.5 keys from WQ

[waxen oyster]

same

i know worldsoul thing can give fragments

[dark token]

i got 300 on 2 chars

[waxen oyster]

which is why i asked if he had it unlocked

[whole sand]

i don't even know what the fuck that is

lol

[waxen oyster]

do bountiful delve

with a key

[whole sand]

ohh

[waxen oyster]

gives an item that triggers them

[dark token]

does that unlock warband wide tho

gives additional wqs?

[waxen oyster]

yes

or something akin

[worldly sail]

don't think i've seen wq's related to them

[waxen oyster]

theres only been like 5-6 coffer fragment wqs on na

[worldly sail]

you just go in with the radiant echo and kill mobs to get key fragments back

[waxen oyster]

oh this is what it was

maybe eu has had more events

ermm wqs

[worldly sail]

have you also checked WM world quests

[jaunty warren]

So I tested recuperator again today and shockingly it worked…tested a few variations of letting drop and refreshing of various lengths and it still worked.

News to me anyway

[haughty flicker]

i refuse to believe it

[waxen oyster]

thats including

this ret pally tries to gank me as im leaving

probably would have kept me in combat if he didnt just walk in a straight line into the sigil of misery

then again its a ret player

[haughty flicker]

pvp wq as mm hunter have been very fun

killing people in 4 globals because they have no pvp gear

[swift dagger]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[raven panther]

Can you get the bubbling wax multiple times ? or it's only a one use only

[spice surge]

You can farm infinite amounts of it

But fyi it doesnt seem to be better than whetstones

[minor gate]

huge

[raven panther]

but whetsone are 3.5k po each

[spice surge]

Oils are cheap

[vagrant pawn]

how do cursed enchants work.... I was thinkin they stack on top of the enchants I already have on my rings :/

[spice surge]

No

Theyre just regular enchants

[vagrant pawn]

ahh okies

[balmy condor]

(they suck)

[vagrant pawn]

okies tyvm

[median igloo]

how much worse are they?

[young dust]

!CRAFT

[prisma monolith]

You can freely use weathered crests to craft any 590's you'd like. Preferences currently are wrist/belt/rings.

The current "best" embellishment is Ascension on a dagger with a nerubian patch on wrist. This is very overtuned compared to other embellishments and nerfs/buffs are expected.
The current "safe" embellishment to craft is dawnthread on wrist/belt, as this will most likely be generically good.
Blizzard has been tuning embellishments near daily since the expansion has come out. Because of this, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHASE BIS EMBELLISHMENTS OR USE SPARKS CURRENTLY
Towards the start of raid release recommendations will update everywhere.

[plain whale]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[novel star]

you still cant sim the wax afaik so no exact numbers but estimations here #assassination message

[median igloo]

thanks

[novel star]

and this which is actually new info to me also

xd

didn’t know they weren’t stacking

[balmy condor]

yeh doesn't work at all in offhand

[novel star]

that is ass

so u just whetstone offhand or what

[past forum]

at first i thought "doesnt stack" meant like in your bags lol

[balmy condor]

to be fair, think that math was assuming it does stack

so it's probably 1 wax 1 whetstone

if you're cheap

and that works fine

[novel star]

1 wax 1 oil

cause i’m even cheaper

[waxen oyster]

i like the price gap

between rank 2 and 3 embellish optionals

casual 10k diff

[novel star]

yea

🙃

literally no difference except craft difficulty xd

[waxen oyster]

can people even craft rank 5 with rank 2 optional reagent

or not yet

[novel star]

ya

i got r5 armor with tier 2 dawnthread

well wrist at least

same guy did belt r4 for a lil cheaper cus he couldn’t 5 it

[waxen oyster]

well the leg enchant is only

1.7k

for the rank 3 of agi/stam

kind of funny since it seems the biggest dps gain from an enchant this expac

then there chest costing like 15k

[novel star]

mm

[waxen oyster]

its almost 1k agi

for leg armor

[novel star]

it’ll prolly change a lot in the future

like

prices

idk

[waxen oyster]

yeah

stormdust was the most expensive part of making 590s

unironically

[novel star]

ppl clueless rn

ah wafflin

[waxen oyster]

im just surprised leg enchants are so cheap

this early

[sinful elk]

Guys, plz tell a classic Andy how the fuck animacharge combo pts work

3 normals, 4th is anima = my finisher hits as if it had 7 points?

[waxen oyster]

if you finish on 4 it counts as 7

while animacharged

[sinful elk]

So the anima point must be my 'last point' to expend it correctly?

[spice surge]

If you are at the blue combo point and finish it counts as 7cp

[sinful elk]

Ah easy. Thanks

300 energy on retail is absolute crack after playing classic rogue for years

[waxen oyster]

yehah they really coked up sin’s energy cap in df

[river hawk]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[fringe beacon]

Anyone know how to change a color for a nameplate on plater of an already made script

[balmy condor]

depends on the script

[balmy condor]

that looks like mine

[fringe beacon]

oh, dude i just watched your 1hr and a half video

yeah its urs

dude your video brought me from 600k to 1.3 mill dps

[balmy condor]

I actually just recoded it to be a mod instead

but to fix that

you would go to the bottom bar

on update

and then there's hexcode

just replace the hexcode with your color

[balmy condor]

glad it helped

[fringe beacon]

dude it really did, is the hexacode "green"

[balmy condor]

for caustic yeah

"green" is just an inbuilt

[fringe beacon]

would i need to make a new script for deathstalker's mark to like idk sparkle so it doesnt get lost in the crowd, but still keep the bar green

[river hawk]

can u pass this script?

[fringe beacon]

i dont think so cause i need to make it, and ill have to youtube how

[meager prism]

Am I blind or does Whispyr's nameplates not track Crimson & Envenom countdown?

[balmy condor]

you're correct

but idk how you would even track envenom on a nameplate

it's a player buff

[severe sparrow]

i changed my caustic to a border thing cuz reasons

[tired gull]

Well, nameplates can’t really track envenom

[severe sparrow]

oh wait i cant read

[meager prism]

Ohhh....I guess I misunderstood how it worked

[severe sparrow]

please ignore me i got the post gym dumb

[meager prism]

Sorry new to Assa

[balmy condor]

I was playing around with red border for ct

but dunno if I like it

[severe sparrow]

i just throw a ct and shrug and go "ya everything's got it"

ill see how i feel about it when we're in adult keys

[balmy condor]

yeah

that's been my experience as well

[meager prism]

I'm not as trusting in my skills yet <_<

[balmy condor]

I track my Ct on weakaura

so as long as my target has it

I just o7 good enough

[river hawk]

mmm why i wasted 7 cp and dont renove the mark?

wtf

[severe sparrow]

if youre standing in the middle of a pack and use ct, everything's got it, i dont think anything is living long enough to need a reapplication rn

im also not trusting in my skills for aoe, i keep historically giving a halfass attempt to sin and then defaulting to outlaw for keys

[tired gull]

I don’t even press ct half the time cause everything’s ded

[past forum]

this is my first xpac where i'm starting the xpac playing the same class i was when it ended. thinking about raid this week getting me really hyped to play ass in real content again

[spiral gale]

What's CT again

Bad with acryos

[severe sparrow]

crimson tempest

[spiral gale]

Ahh kk

[covert ibex]

anyone have the google doc for sims i cant find it in disc anywhere

[tired gull]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[covert ibex]

ty

[steel jay]

omg yes the spreadsheet i was looking for that

thank u

[river hawk]

wait assa now is 3º one in dmg?

no, 2º

out again

[balmy condor]

bro has a fucking degree button on his keyboard wtf

discord on a calculator

[tired gull]

°

[river hawk]

lets speak about TEA whispyr

u want that?=

[balmy condor]

ye

[tired gull]

°_°’

[severe sparrow]

something something sims =/= real life idk

[spice surge]

Is english breakfast okay?

[shy pecan]

₩8000

[river hawk]

xDDDD U NEED TO SAID NO!

[balmy condor]

I am outspoken supporter of the change

[nova aspen]

[tired gull]

I forget to press tea 99.7% of the time tbh

[spice surge]

Remove the mastery from it as well

Make it energy only

[balmy condor]

okay lets not get drastic, we would just never play tea then

[fleet pagoda]

double vanish is back on the menu

[royal lantern]

good

[balmy condor]

definitely not

would just be cold blood + er + deeper

[severe sparrow]

what if we took the mastery off but it was full energy not 100

[median igloo]

what if we just changed it to adrenaline rush

[severe sparrow]

someone should invent a machine you can feed hot dogs to in a chain and it cooks them and shoots them out the end one by one

[spice surge]

Well ye i meant buffing it too

[fleet pagoda]

I just want it as a choice node

[royal lantern]

a major cd of another Spec

tf are you guys smoking

like, yeha the tea change is stupid, but lets not go even more stupid

[balmy condor]

stupid?

[royal lantern]

make it a chose node

[balmy condor]

say less

[royal lantern]

[shy pecan]

What if we turned tea into dust?

[tired gull]

Make it so our next 3 mutilates guarantee proc blindside

[royal lantern]

now we are cooking

the good shit

dust removed from sub spec tree into the class tree lets go

there must always be a sub thing as a classtree capstone

next expansion do shadow tech

[severe sparrow]

dust might be one of my least favorite rogue things tbh, cant we just change tea to shadow dance

[rain mortar]

I don’t like dust either, but it would be so much easier to use as sin haha

[iron valve]

if you think about it, what is tea but leaf dust

[balmy condor]

a liquid

[spice surge]

or an echo?

Perhaps a method

[halcyon grail]

I am just lost and frightened and need either a hug or to know what's going on

[balmy condor]

people don't understand how tea works

[rain mortar]

Maybe I’m crazy, but the tea thing doesn’t see that bad to me. Like I can still press it right? For the most part the change won’t be that big of a deal to me

[royal lantern]

you put a leaf in hot water and act as if its great and healthy

[severe sparrow]

is thistle tea best steeped with 212F water or is it best with a lower temp like 180

[balmy condor]

people making fun of me for drinking my flavored water because they put a leaf into their water to flavor it

[severe sparrow]

seriously though i dont mind the change because i also dont like tea and didnt remember to use it when it wasnt part of the whole "big kingsbane" thing

[balmy condor]

pathetic

[fleet pagoda]

true. they're both caffeinated and old man drinks

[severe sparrow]

what about boba? that's not an old person drink

[fleet pagoda]

choccy milk stands alone in this battle

[balmy condor]

boba is awful

I'm gonna say it

[median igloo]

ill fite u

[severe sparrow]

i only like the popping pearls, the tapioca ones are weird

[balmy condor]

I live in boba capital of the world fr

shit is awful

[median igloo]

you dont live in taiwan

[balmy condor]

true

[rain mortar]

Boba is so NASTY

[balmy condor]

but cupertino is close

[median igloo]

lol

[spice surge]

Alone at the bottom?

[rain mortar]

Blasphemy

[tired gull]

Strawb milk gaps choc every moment of every day

[fleet pagoda]

the bottom is what supports the rest

[spice surge]

Nah the tierlists work great without the bottom ones

You can crop it any way you'd like

[fleet pagoda]

you remove them, then you just have new bottoms

[halcyon grail]

Wait panic they're removing the mastery from Thistle Tea?! Or is it just gonna be an uncontrollable unplannable boost?

[normal mist]

?

[halcyon grail]

[royal lantern]

#assassination and talking about bottoms, name a better pair

[fleet pagoda]

nah people were just slingin some random cooks, mastery is still there

[spice surge]

Its still controllable and gives mastery

[halcyon grail]

So the auto proc is just being added?

[spice surge]

Yes

[normal mist]

Yep

[wet thistle]

Do any ya'll know the spawn timer on regular rares?

[normal mist]

Nop

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-giving-spell-cat-casting-a-spell-cat-shaky-paws-cat-magic-paws-gif-6896143696966591165

[wet thistle]

D;

[normal mist]

@balmy condor I need your help

[balmy condor]

I can't give you the kind of help you need man

[normal mist]

Yesterday someone said that the !pooling seemed wrong because it made no sense.
In this case DS ST pooling. And even though in my head it makes sense I legit could not put it into words.

[balmy condor]

whats wrong with it

[normal mist]

The why below 150

[balmy condor]

cause eating energy above 150 sucks

[normal mist]

Let me check if I can find the message

[wicked dagger]

Is there a crimson tempest icon available for the plater pack that gets posted?

[median igloo]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[wicked dagger]

so i have Whispyrs plater pack. an doesn't seem to show CT icon on the enemy plates. is that as intended or am i doing something wrong?

[balmy condor]

intended

I removed it on purpose

[royal lantern]

your WA tracks CT

and you dont need to see it on every single enemy

cus it has the same timer on everyone

[wicked dagger]

ahhh that makes sense

awesome thanks for the reply ❤️

[normal mist]

#assassination message

I believe I wasn't able to properly explain that

[balmy condor]

well yeah without sanguine it doesn't matter

you don't pool without sanguine

[tired gull]

I don’t pool at all. I try to keep my energy as low as possible always

[fickle girder]

I hate linguine blades

[royal lantern]

thats a elaborate way to say "i spam keys"

[fleet pagoda]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[fleet pagoda]

in the case of something like the m+ dtb/hybrid, whatever we're callin it build, with DS; is it worth pooling for sanguine or slammin' to send for marks/dn?

[covert snow]

Is it possible to prog first mythic week as both sin/outlaw or is it delusional considering the different stats for each spec ?

[royal lantern]

brother

what stats

[balmy condor]

You would want to be under 50%

[royal lantern]

secondarys are vastly overvalued anyway, AND its the first couple weeks where you have literally almost 0 longterm gear

[fleet pagoda]

tytyty

[tired gull]

I just want some content so I can press buttons

[waxen oyster]

if you wanna be sweaty week 1

have your 590 craft gear

then upgrade hc dungeon gear to 590

with different stats

[dark token]

i did this to have a sub/sin set

[waxen oyster]

at least sin stats are all over the place

[wicked dagger]

with the hybrid build do we have to take sanguine blades node just to get to the good stuff (for dungeons) or should i be pooling for aoe nad dump for ST regardless of having sanguin blades

[dark token]

u ignore sanguine blade on aoe (and in st too tbh)

it just auto buff ur bleeds

just play normal

[wicked dagger]

gotchya, thank you 🙂

[subtle drift]

Is there an easy method to make the caustic spatter icon larger on plater namelate?

Do i need to use script thingy?

[fleet pagoda]

I've been marking it under the Buff Special thing that sets it on the side of the plate instead of the top

but if you want to keep it distinct and on top above my paygrade

[subtle drift]

I think on the side would be enough

[fleet pagoda]

i think it's a lot easier to pick out of a line-up having it set to the side, but activating spatter costs only a global anyways (assuming bleeds are up)

[hearty pulsar]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[severe sparrow]

i wish i was a professional plater maker

[balmy condor]

Same

[devout scarab]

what happened to the pre season bis list on icy veins

[severe sparrow]

i like the looks of my profile but i keep stealing useful bits from other people's and now i have 46 scripts and i think 75% of them are non functional at this point

[waxen oyster]

not useful

[severe sparrow]

like why do i have this one that turns the nameplates orange when they have find weakness on them

it doesnt work, or something else is overwriting it

we dont even have that anymore do we

[subtle drift]

i put these debuffs on the blacklist (NAMEPLATE ONLY), any recommendation to not blacklist them and why? (non rogue spells already where there)

My reasons is that they're 1: Always applied anyway or 2: Just a passive that X does more dmg 3: not necessary in PvE (like the garrote silence)

It's also only NAMEPLATE. Not generally.

[severe sparrow]

oh im an idiot that's for sub

i think your blacklist looks about like mine does

minus all the weird random shit you have in there

[fleet pagoda]

I like being cognisant of the silence time in keys personally, but it's not often something you're actively playing around

[lucid rain]

could someone please explain why SBS gives me 5-6 cp when I rupture?

[subtle drift]

They were already in, maybe because i use a profile

[fleet pagoda]

it's at the bottom of the tooltip for sbs

[lucid rain]

oh, right, they last forever on the dummies

[subtle drift]

For target that matter, the color of the nameplate itself is different, but good call

[lucid rain]

so I'm getting more

wait a second, how do I get them off the dummies lol

[severe sparrow]

i have shiv on mine but im probably just bad

im also probably shivving my target so

[fleet pagoda]

you fly away a fair distance or relog

[fleet pagoda]

UI is a big personal comfort thing man, just send whatever works best for you, really

[lucid rain]

so I guess sbs and er make up for the loss of shadow dance with respect to cp gain

gonna take some getting used to

[royal lantern]

idk what shadowdance has to do with CP generation...?

it was just more dmg for kingsbane lol

[lucid rain]

sorry I meant m+

there were times where it was really handy to dance and then spread garrotes/ruptures

yeah sorry, not cp generetion, but spreading bleeds

[alpine trellis]

someone who teaches me how to use rogue assassin who speaks Spanish

[subtle drift]

"Utilize Indiscriminate Carnage to help maintain enough energy for your rotation. This typically occurs at around 5-6 bleeds between both Garrote and Rupture"

Does that mean 5-6 Bleeds in total? Like for example 3 garrots and 3 ruptures or 2 garrots and 4 ruptures?

Then i need a weak aura that shows me how many bleeds i have on targets

[slate crown]

I would recommend just getting comfortable with nameplates for this. It's pretty easy to make an aura that can count instances you have out on nameplates, but personally the combined information of A)how many you have out and B) which targets you can apply the to is more efficiently gleaned from looking at nameplates, rather than a weakaura.

[pulsar elk]

Hello, so i dont use kingsbane outside of deathmark?

[spice surge]

You do

Kingsbane has 1 minute cooldown

Deathmark has 2 minutes

So you use it every minute and it will naturally line up

[chrome rivet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[pulsar elk]

heard, ty

[solar orbit]

What's the name of the 590 gear that is suggested to craft?

[fleet pagoda]

spelunker

[plain whale]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[violet berry]

So sudden demise isn’t the move in m+?

[fleet pagoda]

+10% bleeds is pretty powerful, sudden demise is good. there's a few strong builds.

[violet zinc]

so is there a bug that makes deathstalker just not work i didnt completely understand because i started noticing it has not been proccing

[dull willow]

Is it a major loss to press garrote/rupture on same target to spread vs target swap to spread?

(and if I should be swapping, anyone recommend any addons that upgrade tab targetting haha🥲 )

[spice surge]

You need to specifically ambush from stealth for it to proc

[fleet pagoda]

I wouldn't say a major loss. I think a lot of people do it because it's easy and gets the job done. plater's useful for identifying and targeting enemies who are missing bleeds if you're seeking them though

[dark token]

yeah i have a weakaura that shows like 5/8 for this, 5 being number of ruptures out and 8 being number of enemies within fok range

kinda a cpu muncher tho

i half baked it in SL

[subtle drift]

I found a way to do both, it's shown on nameplates and i created a weakaura (which to my surprise) works and it shows just a number of applied bleeds

[violet zinc]

bro im just ignorant asf i just realized ive been opening garrot geeeezz

[subtle drift]

This is what it looks like

[dark token]

i kinda got rid of using it on assa tho

since all u care about really is scent of blood saturation

[slate crown]

I just think it's excessive info

scent is the goal

[dark token]

which is easily tracked through stacks

now sub

[slate crown]

and energy saturation will just kinda come with that

[dark token]

sub could use this WA

since u bleed all available targets before using cds

[slate crown]

Also this is just a simple Multitarget (or more reliably Nameplate) debuff, with %matchCount as a text, simple as

Unless you care to track "within fok range"

[dark token]

i was doing a 10y range check for enemies

[slate crown]

which I presonally wouldn't

but

[dark token]

i know those arent accurate but yeah

i didnt like how the number would increase/decrease

based on my camera rotation

which is what u get with nameplate counters

[slate crown]

Yup

You don't get that with multi-target tho

[fleet pagoda]

does it only count the ones displayed in your fov?

[slate crown]

multi-target is just not as reliablely accurate but in a real situation multi-target should be accurate enough

In target dummy situations or random open world stuff it'll be weird

in a key, it'll be accurate

[dark token]

yeah ill mess with this if i ever do sub keys (not looking likely atm)

but i have it on my windwalker for mark of the crane stacks as well

[slate crown]

[dull willow]

my thoughts were, losing potential uptime trying to tab target swap when I could just press again to spread and make up the loss potency in uptime - my plater is setup to see the targets missing well enough, its just pressing tab until it targets the right one feels like lost uptime when it takes several presses and sometimes It wont target

thanks for the info!

[slate crown]

I'm never playing high enough content to where shit would last long enough to justify counting it and tracking the actual direct number rather than just applying many while tank clusters then calling it good enough

Just vibe, throw out bleeds then cd

but in your key ranges sure

you and your wacky eye oh

[dark token]

i was using it a lot in SL/DF sub keys

useful when the trash doesnt die in 20s yeah

i think i disabled mine cause the WA api changed and i cba to remake it

they removed range checkers i think in DF

then added em back but different?

[fleet pagoda]

oh I see what you mean. yeah if you're spinning the rng wheel hoping to find a target without the bleed on your next tab, you can still send it there regardless and try again on the next global I suppose. keep in mind if you're playing DS, if you apply a mark using that target as the anchor to spread your bleeds + CT will give you darkest nights and then you don't have to go locate your marked guy again

[brazen wedge]

Is mage tower ridiculously hard with this patch?

[spice surge]

#subtlety message

Apply this inside it

And youll win easy peasy

[tired gull]

As a rogue I dislike meddling in mage affairs

[somber nimbus]

ofc i get 4 trinkets after buying darkmoon carrd

[slate crown]

They still exist but only for spell ranges that exist from spells directly in your spell book. So it'll be based on your class how precise it can get

[waxen oyster]

oh no you’re down 500g

[slate crown]

So if we only have 5 yard and 30 yard spells, it can only say if it's between those two

[waxen oyster]

how ever will you recover

[silent drift]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o5Vf568igVhGkHhfE1cnaZ

Was told to sim weight stats to see what im missing and stuff

but not really sure what im looking at tbh

[spice surge]

You shouldnt really do that

Just sim your gear in top gear

And itll be more accurate than looking at your stat weights

[silent drift]

ahhh, in top gear, how do i tell if i need more haste/master/crite/vers

[spice surge]

Why would you need to know that

Add the item into top gear and it will tell you if its an upgrade or not

[silent drift]

ahhh gotcha, so basically sim every item i think that could be an upgrade then?

in top gear?

[spice surge]

Or droptimizer

[silent drift]

got it, yeah i crafted most of my gear to 590 u sing the crests, but i slapped crit/mastery on every single piece

[somber nimbus]

many classes feel good right now with these hero talents

cant really pick b/w ww monk, rogue, war and dk

telling you right now ww is lowkey strong

seems everyone is trying to play frost dk right now

its flavor of the month right now

[empty viper]

nothing feels as crisp as assa rogue for me

[spice surge]

Assa didnt get nerfed so

[final maple]

highest dps assa race?

[spice surge]

Based on beta its probably the best spec for m+

[spice surge]

Orc, but dwarf is really good for dispel in keys

[empty viper]

best ass = most dps

[upper wraith]

I plan to main assa this tier with a ww on the bench incase

[fiery robin]

so Kultiran

[empty viper]

male

[brazen wedge]

ROFLMAO one shotted xD

[somber nimbus]

is this looking right?

i think im starting to get the hang of it

[amber fossil]

I am curious why FoK isnt in the rotation when VV is talented

[somber nimbus]

for therse heroics, im not using a lot of bleeds, things just die too fast

[tired gull]

it's not as efficient from a damage + cp gen standpoint

[fleet pagoda]

it'll be hard to learn how to play in heroics for that reason, the cleave dummies in dornogal might suit you better. also; Sudden Demise slams in heroics so sendin' bleeds will make you look like a super hero

[amber fossil]

good lol, it felt weird in st fights anyways

[fleet pagoda]

but otherwise yeah, your damage spread would look like with kb somewhere in the middle too

[junior isle]

I was watching some Ulgrax videos, it’s mostly ST up to the intermission. Is it worth taking like crimson tempest for fights with adds? Or caustic idk. Is it a waste since the adds are mostly just during intermission?

[winged widget]

imo, the only boss that could see good use for CT is the slug one that keeps popping adds from eggs during the entire fight. the rest is just caustic town if not full ST like Sikran and Kyveza.

[sudden phoenix]

Heyas, anyone have a nice plater or WA pack that will help with bleed on targets so its easier to see. color coded or somethin

[junior isle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[somber nimbus]

where are the rest of the commands found

[junior isle]

Idk lol someone just did that for me when I asked

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[somber nimbus]

whats the stat command

!stat

damn

[junior isle]

I’m not sure

[somber nimbus]

lol

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[cinder sparrow]

guys any idea if the azj-kahet reput trinket, Nerubian pheromon shit is good ?

[violet berry]

Any weak auras or anything to help identify highest health targets in packs

I’m fkin blind apparently

[proper axle]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

You can freely use weathered crests to craft any 590's you'd like. Preferences currently are wrist/belt/rings.

The current "best" embellishment is Ascension on a dagger with a nerubian patch on wrist. This is very overtuned compared to other embellishments and nerfs/buffs are expected.
The current "safe" embellishment to craft is dawnthread on wrist/belt, as this will most likely be generically good.
Blizzard has been tuning embellishments near daily since the expansion has come out. Because of this, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHASE BIS EMBELLISHMENTS OR USE SPARKS CURRENTLY
Towards the start of raid release recommendations will update everywhere.

[amber fossil]

Can someone please clarify the AoE rotation from wowhead

duplicationa and garr/rup/garr/garr

[proper axle]

!best

[prisma monolith]

All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.

Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.

You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.

[slate crown]

Yes, you apply multiple bleeds in a row

[fallen moss]

quick question about the opener... after you get maintenance buffs up and you hit ER > envenom > cooldown sequence.. is ER suppose to generate 2 or 3 CPs? or random?

[young dust]

is this updated? ascension and nerub patch op?

[strange cargo]

was wondering if we are free to use weathered as well

[young dust]

Weathered yes

carved, no way

most guilds aiming mythic are spending all weathered

[amber fossil]

I think so, crafting 590 gear will save you valorstones later and you should have a pile of crests

[strange cargo]

bet

[young dust]

i leveled one dagger and sacbrood to 593 and crafted all the rest, 588 ilvl or so

[strange cargo]

i got all the pre bis, was wondering

sitting 583 rn

[still tree]

quick sanity check: when running ER + Deathstalker, is it still best to send envenom on an anima-charged cp rather than building to 5+ every time to consume the mark? Basically do we prioritize envenom uptime/combo point efficiency vs cycling the mark?

as long as you don't let DN drop ofc

[slate crown]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[strange cargo]

giga excited for raid week!

[young dust]

thats perfectly fine if youre not raiding tuesday and will be able to run m0s and delves

[strange cargo]

yea not sure what my group is doing tbh, we are all oldge now

[fiery robin]

[still tree]

oh so just drop the triple anima charge talent for now until shit gets fixed, ok

I guess there is an "if shit gets fixed" implied there lmao

[dense lodge]

Liquid rogue has geared Assa and Sub.

[keen spruce]

[young dust]

which fights are essentialy worth cleaving/changing talents besides anub'arash? diurna maybe?

[brave vector]

ya know this should have been something i realized ahead of time but vanishing on the boss of awakening the machine bugs it out

[winged widget]

Diurna? Are we back to VotI?

[young dust]

there's a boss exactly like diurna, cant recall its name

[rose sun]

Hey all has anyone tested out any of the new Rouge buffs on PTR?

[sudden phoenix]

Is Ara-Kara and Signet of the Priory our pre bis? everytime i sim its saying ara is shit.

[winged widget]

Ovinax?

The ghunn dude that adds spawn from eggs?

[young dust]

Yeah that one, 4 eggs per rotation

[winged widget]

If you group needs the aoe, sure

I would definitely default to caustic only.
And then adjust if the group needs some extra dmg

There are better burst aoe classes, imo

[young dust]

makes sense, let arcane mages do their thing

[winged widget]

Warriors as well, afaik

[young dust]

there's authority of the depths for 130k in the auction house

[winged widget]

Dafuq

[young dust]

thought it was from ansurek only

[idle light]

the recipe can drop from a bag for 600 acuity

[young dust]

but apparently the recipe comes from some profession bags

[idle light]

rng gamble

[winged widget]

Holy gamba

[young dust]

50k higher sim with it

[winged widget]

Mfer getting that fat gold before raid opens tomorrow

Day after tomorrow*

[south wing]

what poisons are best for m+?

[willow cloud]

So if I sim a 588 enh shaman and a 587 assi rogue, they both sim similar (within ~30k dps) on a 5min patchwerk. Why are people dooming about assi ST?

[plain flower]

Because it’s theoretically less than outlul

[willow cloud]

roflmao

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/j4yeMU1y6SzdekHuXRakgR, https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ojqyXe4RVPVgfh7dNDiUcc for reference (enchants aren't an exact match, so the rogue probably sims slightly higher with currently achievable gear). Assi ability to shove so much damage into kbs window also feels really desirable? I have ~5 classes at 580-590, still trying to figure out main...

[thorn fjord]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[neat pier]

what do u guys reccomend from these WA?

[narrow marsh]

if we run vicious venom do we not fan of knives to consume clear the witness?

[echo heath]

man i was getting too into my head there and my aoe damage was dropping, i figured out i was chasing caustic spatter to much instead of just sending ct

lesson learned

[shy pecan]

Everyone has different preferences so best for you to look at each and see what meets your needs

[neat pier]

ty

[sudden phoenix]

"Cast Vanish before Deathmark to apply Improved Garrote"

wait this is a thing, i thoughjt u could Deathmark then vanish

[novel horizon]

Were getting the s1 m0s instead of the 8 tww dungeons yeah?

[ripe carbon]

no tww im pretty sure

mythic+ starts at +2 and is season 1 rotation

[waxen oyster]

You know the best thing about this class

is watching squishier classes plan out their defensive usage

and just being like "if it kinda hurts feint it"

[pure moth]

theres no more nightstalker. so you don't have to worry about vanishing for that. so its only used to reapply the improved garrote going into deathmark

[novel star]

there’s a bluepost saying it’ll be the season 1 ones even in heroic

[novel horizon]

even heroic? tf

[novel star]

yeh

[waxen oyster]

we're gonna see people chain leaving hc grim batol for skardyn's

[novel horizon]

good for practice i guess lmao

[waxen oyster]

[novel star]

cus hc is the old m0

ig

[errant plinth]

Hi dude , whats a priorty stat assasination Mythc plus Mastery or Critic ? stat

[waxen oyster]

1/10 troll

[errant plinth]

:C

[novel star]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[novel star]

basically it’s still crit=>mast in either content

but

[sudden phoenix]

Okay so use vanish whenever after using DM to refresh the dot, as long as its inside the window

[errant plinth]

thanks!!

[sudden phoenix]

god so many runs ive done for my dagger, never lucky.

[pure moth]

in opener yeah

[stark yew]

in an aoe pull, do i just use crimson tempest once then keep using envenom after?

[novel star]

if you have 5 ruptures up yes

[pure moth]

from the guide. so youll be lining up DM with vanish to make sure you have an improved garrote going into deathmark

thats what this means

[sudden phoenix]

I was confused regarding the wording. i think i get it now thx

[stark yew]

ah ok thanks.

sin is kinda complicated compared to sub hahah

[novel star]

(:

it’s just for venomous wounds and scent of blood

[pure moth]

just means youll have to hold dm so you can optimize

[sudden phoenix]

They should line up though its all g

[pure moth]

roughly yeah

[merry cobalt]

how we proc this? i never get a buff after using the 3 stacks of deathmark

[pure moth]

its passive. you just gain that after each deathmark

[cobalt sphinx]

deathmark

not deathstalker's mark

[merry cobalt]

ah i thought it would show a buff

[cobalt sphinx]

LMAO

[merry cobalt]

oh deathmark haha

[cobalt sphinx]

blizzard cooked with the naming conventions

[merry cobalt]

jesusss

[west crown]

does our single target just suck in the mythic plus talent builds?

[merry cobalt]

so do we play around it with kingsbane? like DM wait for it to fully run into a fat kb?

[stark yew]

kinda

[novel star]

i mean yeah

not terrible but not great

[cobalt sphinx]

it's not that bad

[sudden phoenix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1245929638023135269/1282551965712257086/image.png?ex=66dfc519&is=66de7399&hm=5317324899abbfde2bcd0fb802a05e417033c8298a7e2f06413f665c9eca387a&

any1 know what this timer addon is, annying af

[novel star]

ib tracker holy

[severe sparrow]

/fstack it maybe? lmao

[stark yew]

ah btw how should i use deathmark in an aoe pull? do i target the highest hp mob?

[novel star]

whatever ur prio target is

which depends on a million factors once the key is high enough for it to matter heavily

right now just whatever dude has big hp is fine because they’ll actually live a little to spread kb

[stark yew]

icic ty.

[sick radish]

quartz

[sudden phoenix]

Oh i think ur right!

I couldnt find out what addon it was for ages, tysm

[cobalt sphinx]

is there any debate between these two dudes

is momentum pretty much just strictly better?

[fleet pagoda]

seems it, yes

[cobalt sphinx]

sounds good

[novel star]

yeah

they’re like the same talent

[indigo mulch]

Its getting there D;

[earnest remnant]

i see that you are also spending this fine night dummy hitting

[indigo mulch]

I have to, i'm old. I need that muscle memory lmao

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/teUKcBT42j6wjhy4Yqft4F

But its getting pretty darn close though

[novel star]

?

how r u ahead of ur sim

is the dummy in execute hp

[indigo mulch]

No.

Its just RNG i guess.

[novel star]

[earnest remnant]

sim beaters unite

[indigo mulch]

[blazing jewel]

Stealthi never beats sim

Fake

[earnest remnant]

ill beat your ass in here and on lost ark

bozo

[blazing jewel]

[indigo mulch]

Lost ark.

[earnest remnant]

mfer takes 6 hours to beat a 2 year old raid

smh

[blazing jewel]

Hit the dummy until you beat the maximum sim

Fish for that 900% sophic uptime

[indigo mulch]

I don't even have enchants

[earnest remnant]

id need to find another 40k lol

[indigo mulch]

[blazing jewel]

Is your max sim only 580k?

That doesn’t seem like that much variance

[shy pecan]

You don’t seem like that much variance

[earnest remnant]

from 506 to 590

thats quite a swing

bucko

[indigo mulch]

[novel star]

not nice

[shy pecan]

It’s fine

!scana

Oh, we’re not in Bansherz’s chat

[blazing jewel]

[earnest remnant]

[blazing jewel]

Ya that’s probably fair

Was looking at the 540 and thought that was median sim but you were already beating that by a good bit

[novel star]

aint

[blazing jewel]

It’s fake I swear

[balmy condor]

[shy pecan]

[blazing jewel]

No shot that emote has spread to that disc

[novel star]

how does that even happen

[blazing jewel]

@indigo ether

[earnest remnant]

his warrior is just that powerful

never seen a dude soak so many tornados on smolderon

as scanaW

[novel star]

ah like it’s 101 and looped around

[blazing jewel]

[novel star]

i get that

W

[blazing jewel]

Scanaw is splits fodder

It had to be done

[balmy condor]

buff provider

like an aug evoker

but it does less solo damage

[blazing jewel]

Yelling before the pull 📈 raid damage up

[novel star]

raid buff thematic tier list

[indigo ether]

[novel star]

who wins

[balmy condor]

you did a good thing sending scana off into retirement

that's my raid leader

[blazing jewel]

Retire this pal

[indigo ether]

😼

[shy pecan]

Where’s plebskitten?

[indigo mulch]

I can beat that.

[balmy condor]

please stop linking scana's parses

[indigo mulch]

I was legit on duck duty instead of our second aug cause she was incapable of doing anything.

Fun times.

[blazing jewel]

Can I get a log review

[indigo mulch]

and our raid leader didn't want me to "risk" doing damage when it wasen't needed. so i was just standing there picking up clouds.

[balmy condor]

medium girth, below average length, weird bend in the middle, left ball is much larget than the right

3/7

[blazing jewel]

[indigo mulch]

I'm curious, are the balls actually symetrical?

[novel star]

nothing is symmetrical on humans

[balmy condor]

I think they generally aren't

there's always one that's higher

but they also regulate their temperature by raising and lowering

can see it wobble around like a lava lamp when you get out of the shower

[indigo mulch]

The more you know I suppose.

[tawdry sedge]

hoooooly shit, my balls are not symmetrical either, the fuck!

[novel star]

this guy typing with ball hands rn

[balmy condor]

need that

[indigo mulch]

I'm pretty sure everyone just grabbed their balls just now. :C

[novel star]

:c

[novel star]

i didnt

[indigo mulch]

Well i did.

[blazing jewel]

@balmy condor umm mr. Shadow blade i read your maxroll UHMM i mean wowhead guide and im really confuzzled as to what poisons i need to equip so i can defeat any enemy I may encounter

[indigo mulch]

Im a proud ball fondler.

[novel star]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[tawdry sedge]

guy thinks i was typing with ball hands...truth is i spread my balls on the keyboard just so i can inspect them in detail

[novel star]

:(

[balmy condor]

fun fact mr shitter warrior, I actually added a whole ass section to the guide

specifically for that

with a table

and everything

[blazing jewel]

[indigo mulch]

but why

[balmy condor]

because I'm sick of having to answer

"what poisons"

[indigo mulch]

???

Why is that even a question 😒

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1123400547274346526.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[balmy condor]

don't ask me man

[sterile violet]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. The recommendation is simply to get all your heroic gear to 580 and then craft 590 slots (wrist/belt/rings are good)

[novel star]

list isn’t ordered top to bottom so i cant read it sorry

the best one is all the way down ? that looks like last place to me

[indigo mulch]

Obv #1 is the best poison

[sterile violet]

590 slots (wrist/belt/rings are good) <- aint both my daggers + Trinket better?

[indigo mulch]

then #2 is second best

duh.

[novel star]

wound poison has to be good because it literally has wound in the name that word is scarier than amplifying

[indigo mulch]

? I'm not sure i understand that question to be fair.

[sterile violet]

maxing 3 gear sets 8/8 bis

[balmy condor]

unplug your toaster the next time you go take a shower

[sterile violet]

it says wrist belt rings it doesnt make sense to me

i feel like weapons + trinket better to max 8/8

[indigo mulch]

Sim it.

[novel star]

but she keeps me warm and safe and loved when i’m in there

[novel star]

off hand weapon sucks

[sterile violet]

then only main weapon + 2 trinkets

[novel star]

i mean

[indigo mulch]

Sim it.

[balmy condor]

if that makes you happy

go for it

[novel star]

it depends what items and what the stats are

[sterile violet]

i trust the whispyr what would u do

[balmy condor]

I would stop giving a shit

[indigo mulch]

He would... Sim it.

😄

[novel star]

the only possible slot where it could matter from what ur asking is Not offhand

everything else just look at the stats man

[sterile violet]

ok 😂 ✅

[novel star]

well don’t actually look just sim it but

[earnest remnant]

its thundering outside atm, and i have this big ass coward of a german sheperd shacking at my feet like it isnt 30degrees inside atm

[indigo mulch]

Nice

[blazing jewel]

Is whispyr the german sheppard

He got that dog in him

[indigo mulch]

I have a snoring german wife in the background. Wanna trade?

[earnest remnant]

not really

[indigo mulch]

My one chance of freedom.

[wild spruce]

what assa Bis Talent build?

[novel star]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[novel star]

read about them on wowhead

[balmy condor]

reading

[novel star]

whispyr why do we not take arterial whispyr please man PLEASE

[indigo mulch]

[novel star]

XD

[balmy condor]

they're gonna fix it man

trust

[indigo mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[balmy condor]

THEY WILL

[novel star]

they won’t man

[indigo mulch]

I'm sure they will

[vestal crow]

playing rogue is summed up by this sentence

[indigo mulch]

in 11.0.5

[novel horizon]

Hasn't it been bugged like...a couple expansions now?

[lusty delta]

They might fix it by 11.2.5

[balmy condor]

how could deathstalker be bugged for a couple expansions

[indigo mulch]

I mean to be fair.. Generally rogues have it pretty good when it comes to bugs :S Normally atleast.

[dense lodge]

Kekw

[novel star]

“fixed a bug where echoing reprimand was consuming a stack of deathstalkers mark under certain circumstances”

[indigo mulch]

You should try looking at the buglist that Windwalker have/used to have.

Those poor ww monkies

[novel horizon]

I mean the bottom echoing reprimand node, maybe I'm thinking of something else tho

[novel star]

that’s not bugged

[agile edge]

guys where can i see rotation guide for assa

[indigo mulch]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[novel star]

the bug being discussed is about deathstalker spec

[agile edge]

tnx

[iron tree]

what are the bis embellishments?

[balmy condor]

echoing reprimand works fine

it's just not consuming marks

[balmy condor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[indigo mulch]

It is. Sometimes.

[balmy condor]

or pins

or like

anything

[agile edge]

the rotation is same address ?

[novel star]

wowhead has a whole list of chapters on the left side of any guide

[indigo mulch]

Just look at wowhead.

[novel star]

click the one that says rotation

[distant plover]

morning chat

another day where i pretend that outlaw doesnt exist

[indigo mulch]

Why pretend?

[novel star]

outlaw is kinda fun but based

it’s fun as like a joke u know

[pure moth]

automatic thing tbh

[novel star]

u change spec for 10 min to see what wow would look like on mars

[distant plover]

made the mistake of simming my shitty outlaw with 10k mastery yesterday

[novel star]

it’s a fake game

[distant plover]

gulp

deluxe

[waxen oyster]

10k mastery sounds

excessive

even for sin

[distant plover]

yeah need more haste rn

[novel star]

my ass with 15k crit or something

[distant plover]

mastery still sims second highest

[waxen oyster]

15k crit

i think you got lost on the way to dh

[distant plover]

lmao

[terse island]

Thanks guys off to bed now goodnight

[distant plover]

goodnight

[novel star]

i think i just don’t care really

i saw pieces that said crit or crit mastery and i equipped them

[waxen oyster]

im more impressed you managed to get that much

[novel star]

not unbuffed tbf

[indigo mulch]

[wild spruce]

@balmy condor you have a talent tree for Cleave boss fight for raid?

[waxen oyster]

give your vers some love

[indigo mulch]

I just equip whatever i find to be fair ;p

[novel star]

or maybe it is idk i went to armoury to look

[waxen oyster]

oh you dont have crafted gear

[indigo mulch]

I just happend to get these stats. I'm not min-maxing until mythic ;s

[novel star]

big ass screenshot

mobile moment

[waxen oyster]

technically even the most geared dhs i've seen don't have that much crit

due to they're often wearing renown gear

[novel star]

6k mast 4k haste 1.3k vers

ill fix it when it matters

[distant plover]

its fine sin is chill like that with secondaries

[distant plover]

HOLY the tech

[indigo mulch]

Nice a personalized video just for you @wild spruce your so lucky.

[distant plover]

[novel star]

ye ik

funny to see tho

[distant plover]

true hah

[solid venture]

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[novel star]

fat ass number

[waxen oyster]

whispyr forgot sanguine blades

smh

or do you not even run that for raid cleave

[novel star]

whispyrs on fatebound and already has sanguine blades

checkmate

don’t actually look at the mp4 just pretend i’m right

[indigo mulch]

I told the other rogues in my guild not to run improved ER, they said i should shut up and read whats on wowhead. 😦

[waxen oyster]

rando got a socket adventurer helm from a rare while doing weeklies though

[novel star]

tell them you spoke to the guy who wrote the wowhead guide and he said otherwise

[waxen oyster]

i might be mentally ill making myself grind another 300 valorstones just for one socket

[novel star]

[indigo mulch]

I mean..

[vernal prism]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[indigo mulch]

If you don't notice that your cp's arent getting used by the mark you have other issues 😐

[uncut dragon]

Are any of the enchants enough of a banger to include in first day of raid wearing all dungeon gear you're going to dump fast?

[novel star]

it’s not very easy to intuit that 2 lethality sims better tho

[distant plover]

all i want for christmas+my birthday is ER working with the mark

would feel so goooooooooood

[novel star]

even if u know it’s not interacting

[waxen oyster]

are you made of gold?

because technically radiant power is good its just expensive

[novel star]

that interaction being the difference between lethality being better or not is a lil obtuse

[distant plover]

wait how much is radiant rn

[uncut dragon]

I mean, its just pretend gold

[distant plover]

the good one

[waxen oyster]

like 30k for rank 3

[distant plover]

oh lmao

[indigo mulch]

I mean its written everywhere that ER does not interact and you should run Leathality until fixed.

I don't think you have an excuse 😄

[uncut dragon]

I could toss a rank 1-2 on or something I maybe

[waxen oyster]

yeah if you embellish weapon maybe

would not throw radiant power even rank 1 on a random piss hc dungeon weapon

[novel star]

i mean i agree but most people just look at the talent builds and copypaste

that’s why wowhead guides have to include the cheat sheet screen with big easy export buttons and no explanation lol

[waxen oyster]

you have that many rogues in your guild playing sin?

[novel star]

majority of people don’t care enough to read every line of text

on a guide

[waxen oyster]

i think mine is snorting the outlaw sim copium rn

[distant plover]

nah cba time to copy lets go

[waxen oyster]

the irony being i was the outlaw andy in s4

[uncut dragon]

My raid leader knows more about most of the builds than half the people in raid, but she alts literally everything. except rogue so I'm good.

[distant plover]

isnt it way harder to reach sim numbers on outlaw

[novel star]

why is anyone snorting any copium before we have any logs to care about

[waxen oyster]

im pretty sure mine doesnt care

as long as we do basic raider shit

i.e hit your buttons dont die

get hc done first week

etc

[novel star]

[distant plover]

was the same for a bit but cba playing that rotation

[indigo mulch]

We had 4 rogues before. We're down to 3 now.

[waxen oyster]

rogue specs are kind of close enough to not matter

its not like fury warrior where your 2 hero trees

are like a 20% dps diff

[distant plover]

[novel star]

ret the same i think

[waxen oyster]

yeah but the meme is how slayer warrior

is entirely passive

[novel star]

do they flip

[waxen oyster]

you twirl your weapons

sometimes the rng twirl is your top 3 damage on aoe

nice spec

i really like how i do the bee special assignment on isle of dorn on my rogue and im dying every group

[novel star]

aint

[tawdry sedge]

alright, here we go again. this will be the 4th expansion i am attempting to level up my warrior, why is this class so damn boring?

[waxen oyster]

meanwhile my warrior grabs 3 packs of them

and rips them open

[novel star]

warrior will always just be boring that’s how it is

vibe based class

[tawdry sedge]

what vibe based class dude, this thing has no buttons to press

[waxen oyster]

its fun charge and onetapping everything

[indigo mulch]

I'm actually having a blast leveling enha shaman.

[novel star]

u faceroll cus u wanna feel like a warrior irl while u play

[indigo mulch]

You feel like an adhd bunny on cocaine.

[novel star]

cant do a real rotation if ur screaming

[waxen oyster]

I also had full df gear

[distant plover]

enhance is my alt that class is so fucking fun

[waxen oyster]

and legendary

so ymmv

[novel star]

dh is just better now at everything

it used to be easier warrior now it’s harder warrior and still more fun as always

fuck warrior

[tawdry sedge]

dh isn't hard

[novel star]

harder than warrior

[waxen oyster]

it requires more skill

[tawdry sedge]

it is just too much planning for dpsing in a 5sec window

[waxen oyster]

most people fuck up that 5 second window

[tawdry sedge]

pretty boring aswell

[novel star]

inertia takes a lot of brain power ok

[tawdry sedge]

you really have to be a moron to fuck up a 5 min window

[waxen oyster]

I mean....

[tawdry sedge]

seal eye beam essence break blade dance

[waxen oyster]

the fact the wowhead guide writer

[tawdry sedge]

oh yeah i forgot activating inertia

[waxen oyster]

had to include a no movement variant of the build

says alot about the dh community

every good dh i talk to says that build is ass

[tawdry sedge]

even on release i remember during legion i was one of the few who was hyped playing with momentum, first patch nemesis is OP

gg

[novel star]

to be fair dh is the only class that plays like that and it’s really rough for some fights

the inertia shit

[waxen oyster]

nymue