assassination

[marble hemlock]

rydia post journey = best girl

[junior aurora]

ff4 weird to me

its good but u can tell its their first real attempt

[gilded oasis]

idk what I missed but i see vivi as I am scrolling down and I like it

[normal mist]

Huge FF genre talk

because i just started 9

[gilded oasis]

9 is one of my faves

[normal mist]

Just entered Alexandria castle

[thorn fjord]

8 is my favorite

[gilded oasis]

8/9, and 10 are my top 3

[thorn fjord]

And now rebirth as a close runner up

Rebirth was soooooooooo good

Like crazy good

[gilded oasis]

was a big Red XIII fan too he was gonna be part of some FF tattoo i planned up in my head

[marble hemlock]

9>6>type zero>4>tactics>rest>8>7

[thorn fjord]

How you got 7 so low

[royal lantern]

seli hates popular stuff

[thorn fjord]

Gotta respect the innovator

[marble hemlock]

because its an ass game with the worst protagonist of the franchise

[royal lantern]

tbf, ye, cloud sucks

[thorn fjord]

Game was definitely not ass but I can agree with cloud being a wet towel

[gilded oasis]

7 is fine but I think people rate it too high

[marble hemlock]

and thats saying something in a franchise that has squall, lightning and tidus

[thorn fjord]

It’s rated high because of what it was

It was the first game of its kind

[gilded oasis]

woah

calm down seli

[marble hemlock]

it was not

it was the first commercially successful one of its kind

[gilded oasis]

squall is hawt

just dont talk

[thorn fjord]

@marble hemlock It had so much extra content

[marble hemlock]

squall is cool until rinoa enters the story and then he turns into cloud-lite

[thorn fjord]

Compared to like Chrono Trigger

And star oceans

FF7 was a huge innovation imo

With the extra's it had

i'd rate 6 higher than 10 and anything after it and MAYBE higher than 9 personally

[marble hemlock]

idk

kings field, vandal hearts, persona, ark

all came before ff7

[thorn fjord]

only competing RPG's that came close imo were star ocean and legends of dragoon

[marble hemlock]

but ye in any case

ff7 is big poopie

compared to most other ff games

[junior aurora]

back to disagreeing with seli

[thorn fjord]

Remember this one?

[marble hemlock]

dragon quest too

[thorn fjord]

breath of fire also

[gilded oasis]

except one winged angel

[junior aurora]

i liked cloud

[gilded oasis]

actually all the sound tracks are goodge

[junior aurora]

interesting protag

[marble hemlock]

i also think that alundra was better than ocarina of time

[thorn fjord]

FF7 had the best antagonist too

[marble hemlock]

definitely did not

[thorn fjord]

Which other FF antagonist was cooler than sephiroth?

[marble hemlock]

kefka?

[junior aurora]

dont say kefka

[marble hemlock]

like

its not even close

[junior aurora]

kefka nerd ass clown

[thorn fjord]

lol

naaaaaaaah

[royal lantern]

Breath of FIre 3 is 1 of my all time fav games lol

[thorn fjord]

Amazing game

[royal lantern]

still play trought it ~1x a year

[gilded oasis]

i mean isnt best and cool kinda subjective

[junior aurora]

i tried playing a bit of bo4 but i fell off

[marble hemlock]

cid in type 0 was pretty cool too

[junior aurora]

not bc i didnt lik eit

just stopped playing it for other things

[thorn fjord]

Xenogears was cool too

[junior aurora]

i had a xenogears disc

[thorn fjord]

I've been itching to play through Chrono Trigger

[junior aurora]

it only played the opening fmv

and then crashed

so thats how much of that ive played lol

[marble hemlock]

garland in ff9 kinda neat too

idk

everything about ff7 is just

emo-edgelord appeal

[gilded oasis]

i love emo edgelords

[thorn fjord]

Thats almost all of them tho

[marble hemlock]

haha long white hair big katana guy wiht magical powers

haha big sword swinging soldier who can do everything (but is also emo 24/7)

[haughty flicker]

mfw i know sephiroth from kingdom hearts and not ff7

cool fight there

[junior aurora]

banned

[marble hemlock]

its almost comical how bad and one-dimensional the characters are

[royal lantern]

"hey, ??? cup? lets try it out"

"did he just 1hit kill me?"

the sephiroth in KH1 experience

[thorn fjord]

ive never played through an entire KH game

Not my steeze

[marble hemlock]

tbf cloud doesnt even have a personality

he just copied whoever he thinks is coolest

just like a 14y teenage boy

[runic hinge]

No. The things I like are the best and cool objectively

[marble hemlock]

and hes about as edgy and emo as one too

[thorn fjord]

Well he was super young tho

[marble hemlock]

so its not surprising that many people could relate

[thorn fjord]

the story starts 5 years after he left to become a SOLDIER

[marble hemlock]

he wasnt

he was 21

in ff7

and acted like a teen

[thorn fjord]

thats super young

[marble hemlock]

the man was listening to bullet for my valentine and my chemical romance on the trainride to the mako reactor im sure

[thorn fjord]

And he had no way of really growing considering the only people he had to look up to were sephiroth and zack

[marble hemlock]

while looking out the window brooding

hes easily the worst FF protag

[thorn fjord]

Nah that would be the dude from FF15

[junior aurora]

his brain was also destroyed by hojo

[thorn fjord]

Dont even remember his name

[marble hemlock]

squall is slightly better because he was an actual character before he turned into more-mature-cloud

[runic hinge]

And there ain’t nothing wrong with that

Mcr is my goat

[marble hemlock]

tbf i havent played 15

lightning is awful too, but not as awful at least

[thorn fjord]

I didnt play 12

or 13

[haughty flicker]

vaan is ass but he doesnt count as protag

hes just there

[royal lantern]

the MC in 15 is "What if Cloud was a character in Game of Thrones"

[marble hemlock]

12 was starwars but in FF

[haughty flicker]

ashe is protag and is pretty ok

[marble hemlock]

vaan doesnt exist

thats a psyop

you can remove vaan from ff12 and the game plays out exactly the same

[thorn fjord]

Neither does Tidus

[royal lantern]

tbf, atleast Vaan functions for 1 thing

he is literally just a guy lol

like, shit happens

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/psychic-kusuo-japan-anime-movie-illusion-gif-11828351

[royal lantern]

and he is there

[marble hemlock]

like its not even a meme

the entire plot of ff12 wouldve happened if vaan is there or not

[haughty flicker]

yeah exactly lmao

[marble hemlock]

but its also literally star wars

[royal lantern]

because it was re-writen with him as protag late into dev

[thorn fjord]

Is it even worth it playing through those games now?

[royal lantern]

he was not supposed to be the protagonist first

[haughty flicker]

i love ff12 ngl

but maybe rose tinted goggles

[marble hemlock]

you have the handsome space pirate with the non-human sidekick, the undercover princess, the secret power "protag" etc.

ff12 was great

[thorn fjord]

I heard the game basically ran on rails and that turned me off to it

[marble hemlock]

thats every FF after 9

[junior aurora]

it also needs to be longer yet feels too long at the same time tbh

i didnt like the pacing in 12

[marble hemlock]

ff10 started the corridor style map design

and it peaked in ff13

[junior aurora]

and then ff15 they said fuck it no more corridors

no more corridors at all

[thorn fjord]

But gave you dungeons

With corridors

[marble hemlock]

anyway

[junior aurora]

and i haven't played 16 yet

[upper verge]

FFX was my first ff I actually played and completed 🫣

[thorn fjord]

16 being only one character is also a turn off

[gilded oasis]

how am i ever supposed to get 7 stacks doesnt blizzard know my rng sucks

[marble hemlock]

theres not a single character in ff7 that undergoes character growth except one, and that character development is literally just "she dead now"

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[thorn fjord]

They did a great job with Remake and Rebirth giving the characters ALOT more depth

With the exception of cloud LMAO

[marble hemlock]

you cant give cloud personality

cause he had none to begin with

dude just took zacks personality first and then sephiroths

and, for some time, tifas

[thorn fjord]

He was being controlled by sephiroth tho

[runic hinge]

Like me stealing all of your personalities and making them mine

[marble hemlock]

anyway, cloud was big poop

[thorn fjord]

Rebirth did a really good job at explaining the story and the interconnectedness MUCH better

[marble hemlock]

just like most ff7 characters

i mean they also retconned a bunch of shit but ye

they tried fixing the hot garbage that ff7 was

now skip ff8 and do ff9 remake properly

so i can play it before i die

[thorn fjord]

Thats the rumor anyway

[junior aurora]

pc when

[royal lantern]

arent you allready older then 30

[thorn fjord]

We're supposed to get a reveal for FF9 remake sometime this year

[marble hemlock]

i mean ff8 is just ff7 but everyone is 4y older

theres this copypasta that i really like

cuz it explains ff7 fandom

[junior aurora]

i dont think itll be a real remake

gonna eb like the moguri mod prob

[thorn fjord]

Who knows what it'll be

they should Remake Chrono Trigger honestly

[marble hemlock]

People like FF7 because there was a time in their life where they could believe they were Cloud, that Tifa was their waifu and that the game's music could be the soundtrack of their life. It's also why FF8 is so popular, the kids who grew up with Cloud had now aged sufficiently into the emo "maturity" that is Squall.

[thorn fjord]

Its prob one of their best RPG's

[haughty flicker]

chrono trigger remake would go hard

[junior aurora]

ff7 soundtrack goes hardest in the series

i wont be taking dissenting opinions

[thorn fjord]

I dunno theres alot of Aerith waifu guys out there too

[marble hemlock]

ye but necrophilia is illegal

[junior aurora]

dunno if this will happen with toriyama dead

[thorn fjord]

True =/

[marble hemlock]

PSO remake when

[royal lantern]

tell that the guys that go horny for our new WoW villian

[junior aurora]

shes not dead yet

[royal lantern]

xal?

mate

[marble hemlock]

glasshouses, stones etc. sir

[royal lantern]

the body is literally the body of a dead elf

[marble hemlock]

you oughta be careful

[thorn fjord]

She makes me feel alive

[junior aurora]

she can make me worse

[royal lantern]

im only horny for oxi

[thorn fjord]

Where is our favorite lawyer?

[marble hemlock]

ye but as of today hes taken so

[marble hemlock]

getting married

[normal mist]

(mfw new members reading assassination chat and wondering if they joined the wrong discord)

[thorn fjord]

oh shit

[thorn fjord]

nothing new

[royal lantern]

ye, the guy made it

[marble hemlock]

assa has always been OT but without the cringe people

[thorn fjord]

Good for him 🙂

[gilded oasis]

miss that guy

[marble hemlock]

good for who hes marrying rather

[normal mist]

Off-topic 2.0

[marble hemlock]

tbf both are catches

theyre adorable

[thorn fjord]

Now he's really not going to play TWW

[gilded oasis]

[marble hemlock]

anyway

type0 one of the best final fantasies and almost no one played it

[gilded oasis]

im planning a wedding maybe he will give me all his decorations for free

[marble hemlock]

big sad

[thorn fjord]

Wasnt that the one that came out on PSP

[normal mist]

Any known reason why?

[thorn fjord]

No that was crisis core before the PS4 release

[gilded oasis]

ok real question cause I havent paid attention at ALL. Is tails just one hit of the damage each time you flip it? Not an ongoing thing right?

[marble hemlock]

PSP game

but it has the best summoning cutscene of any FF

[royal lantern]

yes

[gilded oasis]

ok ty

[marble hemlock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cLrxOvVZD4

[royal lantern]

tails = dmg proc, heads = you do more dmg

[thorn fjord]

How often do you get to flip?

[royal lantern]

every finisher

[gilded oasis]

finishing moves over 5

er 5 and over

[royal lantern]

so, yeha, every 3rd GCD more or less

[thorn fjord]

We wouldnt be keeping track of that though would we?

[royal lantern]

not really

[gilded oasis]

it doesnt really change anything I suppose

[thorn fjord]

this is SICK lol

[royal lantern]

a bit at the start of a fight so you trigger the capstone, but outside of that, nothing to track

[runic hinge]

You either hit or you don’t

[gilded oasis]

but how do you trigger 7 purposely

[marble hemlock]

ye type0 gets dark. very dark.

[royal lantern]

when you get 5 you can vanish

thats the only real manipulation you have

[gilded oasis]

or at 6 DM I guess lol but then youre holding probably

[marble hemlock]

dont mind me just summoning the strongest eidolon known to man to kill 180k people

https://i.imgur.com/OR7zzVy.jpeg

[royal lantern]

like, rn it looks like

maybe hold vanish to get the capstone fast on pull

and after that just ignore everything and play

[gilded oasis]

hm ok

[thorn fjord]

@shy pecan running keys?

I’ve got an hour to kill

[gilded oasis]

hi, im an hour

[shy pecan]

Probably later today. Working atm

[thorn fjord]

Me too bro and that ain’t stopping me

[runic hinge]

I'm down for keys later

nothing big tho im like 513

[thorn fjord]

I'll put you on my back bb

[hot chasm]

Damn assa AoE dmg peaking too soon

its gonna get overnerfed right before launch

[junior aurora]

ravenholdt keys night?

[thorn fjord]

👀

[junior aurora]

i havent done a dungeon in like 2 months

[runic hinge]

they are buffing us tuesday you're crazy

[runic hinge]

i did a 7 last night for my first key in a month

[hot chasm]

[thorn fjord]

ive been helping guildies get their new mains ready

but been dicking around mostly doing silly stuff in keys

[gilded spade]

hi! any good sheet about beta rogues? like stats trink etc

[normal mist]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[shy pecan]

Maybe...

[thorn fjord]

I'll get a bottle just in case

[normal mist]

For stats you can read the command above

[gilded spade]

ty

[runic hinge]

i have some natty light peach

[thorn fjord]

ok ok

[normal mist]

for trinkets, and quoting Whispyr: transmitter/grim batol for first slot and like basically any passive trinket for slot 2

[gilded spade]

ty!

[balmy condor]

True!

[normal mist]

You just did a bald move

Trueing yourself

[balmy condor]

I have beautiful hair

No bald here

[raven egret]

are the BiS list ready? I wanna gear up FAST and do the damage things! Also I am running out of copium, send help

[haughty flicker]

Idk

I’ve been playing a lot of classes in prepatch

And some are really fun

But I played sin for timewalking and thought “yeah this is still it”

[runic hinge]

sin so fun

[haughty flicker]

Prayge for hero tree reworks in 11.2 but otherwise I think it’ll be fine

[raven egret]

Will sell soul for actual hero trees

[raven egret]

But yes, I'm here to stay. Believe in the Crimson Tempest

[runic hinge]

Oh I believe

[royal lantern]

well ofc they happen

frostfire needs some additonal deffensive talents

[raven egret]

True and real

Look, maybe we got it backwards

We are the least played class, maybe it's us who are the select few, the elite! The establishment is trying to squash us and keep us down, but we are just too good

[haughty flicker]

I do plan on abusing the lack of rogues to find a new guild for tww

So I’m not back to my shadowlands days pugging aotc then having nothing to do

[raven egret]

hiss stay away from my guareenteed raid spot

[royal lantern]

tbf, rogue was always 1 of the "better" classes for a raidspot since atrophic exists

low playrate kinda helps there

devo? battle shout? hunters mark? arcane int? dime in a dozen

[raven egret]

I need an aura that will keep permanent track of how many times I roll tails and heads

if I am forced to use that shit coin might as well have fun

[haughty flicker]

Same I want to keep track the entire expansion

And see what it ends up at

Obviously it should be nearing 50/50 but how far off could it be

[raven egret]

See, thats what is funny about statistics

It makes sense until it doesn't, But even then it still makes sense, you just don't know it!

[tropic cedar]

do the extra bleeds from IC prio targets without the bleed already or does it choose closest targets regardless?

[upper verge]

My guild has 3 rets and 0 rogues so I’m going rogue

[royal lantern]

that sounds like a pretty fucked melee camp lol

[raven egret]

our melee roster so far is slim compared to previous times we started

don't ask me why we have 2 WW

I dont know

[earnest remnant]

i dont even know how many we are

[quasi pine]

Probs to compensate for the 8 arcane mages you'll have

[earnest remnant]

2 warriors, 2 havocs 2 dks 1 rogue 1 shaman flex

smth like that

[night cipher]

I snuck between 3 rets, 2 uh, 1 arms, 1 fury and a dh xD

[spice surge]

Prios target without bleeds

[tropic cedar]

tyty

[upper verge]

You should’ve seen how cursed our comps were during the final days of mythic fyrakk prog

Think we had 4 rets at one point just because people were burning out

[earnest remnant]

our tank quit after Tindral prog

was interesting

[upper verge]

Yeah we had to replace a tank mid tindral prog, finally killed him then roster boss till s3 ended

Think our best attempt was a 3%

[silk bane]

heard Scana warrior is open to tanking

[earnest remnant]

scana to busy being an army boi

also i wouldnt let scanaW anywhere near my raid

[silk bane]

god damn thats brutal

@blazing jewel u gonna take that?
wheres ur warrior pride

[raven egret]

Well hey its good to set boundaries

[blazing jewel]

Army

[silk bane]

get his racoon ass

🍿

[earnest remnant]

sorry Airforce nerd

only thing you gonna be flying is paper airplanes

dumbass

[drifting cloud]

[night cipher]

is this a good warband setup ?

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kid-trip-bully-gif-7399960

[thorn fjord]

Put some respect on the man’s name

[raven egret]

Cut that shit out of that screenshot and then we can talk

[night cipher]

it's my Iska camper ....

[raven egret]

And why isn't that another rogue, uhm?

[night cipher]

shall be fixed !

[balmy condor]

What even is a warband setup

Is that a thing

Am I missing something

[silk bane]

yes

[balmy condor]

Just alts ain’t it

[silk bane]

you gottta match the homies mogs

[blazing jewel]

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/goth-girl-goth-girl-green-hair-goth-girl-kiss-its-deitsel-carlo-malis-gif-25978600

[raven egret]

It's about being stylish for the 5 sec you going to be spending on that screen

[runic hinge]

[royal lantern]

yes

fancy name for "account wide"

[haughty flicker]

warband screen mogs is definitely the new meta

[nimble zinc]

tbh true

[elder blaze]

Hi, just wanted to ask on raidbots what "fight style" is used for dungeons/m+ ?

[balmy condor]

dungeonslice

[elder blaze]

Ty

[blazing jewel]

[shy crow]

small victory for me

went from 98k DPS overall to 140k

[timber basalt]

hey guys, am i right in thinking that on patchwerk you'd save both charges of shiv to use with kb?

and not just use them on cd

[balmy condor]

yes

[cerulean nest]

I know we're waiting on the threads but can we elaborate on this a little bit?

When playing with inevitability, you would want to avoid casting before making use of the :dm: :edgecase: flip

Is this just because you're guaranteed to have at least one more stack of whichever coin you're on after using DM flip? or is there a deeper reason

[balmy condor]

edge case flips both heads and tails

inevitability guarantees that you match the last flip

if you flip both heads and tails, and match the last flip, you still only have heads and tails

that's a waste of one of the stacks of inevitability

it's essentially equal to losing half a cast of cold blood

[cerulean nest]

so inevitability wouldnt give you an additional heads+tails flip

[balmy condor]

no

[cerulean nest]

my brain is mush sorry. so in an opener. you set up rupture, triggering DJ and now you have two tails (for example), you envenom = 3 tails (hopefully), you hit DM and then another envenom for edge case = 4 tails + 1 heads

at that point, you wouldnt want to cold blood? to try and guarantee the 5th tails

[balmy condor]

you hit dm, envenom, that triggers edge case

then you cold blood

[cerulean nest]

oh so yeah, thats what I thought

[balmy condor]

you just don't want to cold blood -> dm

cause that's a waste

[cerulean nest]

oh oh oh

yeah I misread that, I didnt think that would be the move regardless

makes total sense

[balmy condor]

well the problem is that means you can't really macro cold blood anymore

if you want to be super optimal

[cerulean nest]

yeah gotta have a separate bind or like a second env bind with the macro

[balmy condor]

yeh

which kinda sucks

cause I couldn't name someone who enjoys hitting cold blood

button sucks ass

[cerulean nest]

I mean I had to do that with subtlety for ashes+cb+sectech

give me a passive trinket instead and i'll put it right there lol

[spice surge]

My plan is to have a scuffed bind for envenom without cold blood

So the few cases where i dont want to use it i can, but most of the time its gonna be macroed and chill

[cerulean nest]

that is scuffed af lol

it's easier for me to have a seperate keybind like that and just use it during the cooldown sequence since that's usually way more of a precise thing

[balmy condor]

yeah that's probably my plan too

[cerulean nest]

and then just no-brain the other button the rest of the time

[raven egret]

my plan is to not use cold blood if it can be avoided

[cerulean nest]

yeah wait what about that language

"when" you use inevitability

are there cases where we wouldnt?

[balmy condor]

currently no

you'd always play inevitability

[cerulean nest]

word

[raven egret]

yeah my plan failed before it could even be attempted

[royal lantern]

so, its like

use CB on CD, but if DM is comming up in the next couple seconds, wait until you did dm->envenom

[balmy condor]

yes

[cerulean nest]

cb is 2min right?

[balmy condor]

45s

[royal lantern]

and in deathstalker it would just be "macro with mut"

[raven egret]

45s

[cerulean nest]

oh lel

[raven egret]

they wont align naturally that often if used on CD

[cerulean nest]

shows how long ive had it macroed

[raven egret]

just got to pay attention when they do

[balmy condor]

yeah, or if you're really minmaxing you should be using it on non-capstone envenoms

but like

that sounds really painful tbh

[royal lantern]

lol

lmao even

rogue is allready getting worse in every single way

dont have to make it artificaly even more for 0,001% there

[cerulean nest]

every three minutes yeah

few times a fight max

[royal lantern]

and pull

or not?

[cerulean nest]

well yeah

[raven egret]

ish

[cerulean nest]

starting on pull

[raven egret]

couple seconds delay to DM after pull

[balmy condor]

it's just on pull pretty much or if things get delayed

but you gotta remember

[cerulean nest]

this is cap btw idk why I said this

[balmy condor]

cold blood cd doesn't start until you use it

so if it takes you 15 seconds to cast your 2 envenoms

cb is essentially a 1 min cd

[hoary remnant]

Does Garrote from IC silence the mobs with iron wire or only our primary target?

[spice surge]

All targets hit get iron wire

[past forum]

can you prep darkest night before a key starts and keep it for the first pull?

[hoary remnant]

I know SnD works and all hero talent stuff resets

[shy pecan]

@junior aurora @thorn fjord @runic hinge if you guys wanna do something, got some time

[last skiff]

• Dawnbreaker is incredible

why we dont have this kind of dungeon in DF

[iron valve]

oh hell yeah, ponction

[last skiff]

crit

hast

[balmy condor]

I think basically every m+ player disagrees

[last skiff]

leech

[balmy condor]

dawnbreaker is getting horrid reviews

[last skiff]

I love to use mount during boss

[hoary remnant]

thats mage issue tbf. Most mage abilities do not work properly on the boat.

[fluid glade]

design wise its cool

the last boss is pretty annoying

getting forcibly stunned for doing a mechanic correctly is weird

[balmy condor]

deathstalker also insanely cringe on last boss

your mark will drop on last boss

[fluid glade]

i noticed mark just dropping randomly

[hoary remnant]

imo that boss is trolling. Huge dungeon with flying mounts - Endboss your playing on chess field xD

[fluid glade]

yeah zero space for melee

[balmy condor]

@subtle tundra wake up

[fluid glade]

if u dont take debuffs to narnia

[fluid glade]

whats diff between iron wire and lightweight shiv for st/aoe

[balmy condor]

1%

[hoary remnant]

its 100% worth it imo. It makes gathering mobs so easy for a tank and makes any pull way easier for the whole group.

[balmy condor]

iron wire after the cc changes is insanely strong

[hoary remnant]

I think deathstalker will be the play in higher keys. With the evasion talent being a thing. The Tempted Fate does not look that good of an absorb.

[balmy condor]

looking pretty likely

[runic hinge]

Gf says I have to watch a movie

[raven egret]

I might be french canadian, but every time I see items in french I can't take them seriously for some reasons

[junior aurora]

Lie

[raven egret]

Been integrated into the 'murican way for so long

[thorn fjord]

Bout to eat and all that jazz I’ll hit you up in game later if you’re still on

[balmy condor]

explains why you hate everything I guess

[raven egret]

Rogues are allowed to have girlfriends?

[junior aurora]

only sin rogues

[raven egret]

Oh now thats lies and slander! I hate, very specifically: the coin, shadowdust and CB.

[junior aurora]

outlaw rogues are too much of a quickshot

[raven egret]

I am midly halfway there on ER

[balmy condor]

character development

[junior aurora]

i hate ER too

and coin

and shadowdust

CB based though

[balmy condor]

yeah but you're dumb

sellia is french so at least they have an excuse for being the way they are

[junior aurora]

im not dumb

im intel-lectually disabled

its different

[balmy condor]

dumb and stinky

very stinky

[raven egret]

french-canadian** just to be clear, not to be confused with the others

[balmy condor]

no shower for weeks

[junior aurora]

whsipyr i might be dumb but i am not stinky

[balmy condor]

you're not helping yourself

[junior aurora]

lol

the french-canadians have a worse rep

btw

[balmy condor]

[raven egret]

I still love everyone. 'Cept you. Right now you are added to the list alongside shadowdust

[junior aurora]

hate me because i speak the truth

[balmy condor]

he's not wrong though

[balmy condor]

french canadians have an awful reputation

[raven egret]

[balmy condor]

anyway

I need to get out of the kitchen

what we thinking

what's the vibe

[junior aurora]

not enough fire

no kingsbane will always look weird though

[slim hamlet]

You can't take KB instead of Shrouded?

[balmy condor]

sure you could

[raven egret]

Thats deathstalker. No kingsbane. SBS + FUNNEL THOUGHT!

[balmy condor]

sim doesn't want to

[slim hamlet]

That's crazy

Idk even if it sims higher I think it's bad

Much less boss and prio

surely

[balmy condor]

this is -1% compared to the previous

[raven egret]

wait you for real?

[junior aurora]

i guess it makes the m+ rotation braindead

no thought just keep up bleeds lol

[balmy condor]

m+ builds are cooked as hell

[last skiff]

I have the same thing with movie name canadian

[raven egret]

In both cases where are the blindside defenders at?

[slate crown]

bleed max bleed max bleed max

Well I guess IB would be for bleed max

Tab ib

[balmy condor]

blindside is -0.4% to ttb

[balmy condor]

oh you want the REAL cook?

are you sitting down

[slate crown]

I'm at the table

I got my napkin ready

[lime crypt]

im not ready

[glass relic]

Hit us chief

[slate crown]

I'm all bibbed up

[raven egret]

Yeah I mean RIP blindside idc, right now this means our bleeds are bleeding

[balmy condor]

this is -1.4% to highest simming profile

[raven egret]

I don't even know, but I mean.... no.

[junior aurora]

no that looks based

[slate crown]

For reference what is the highest simming?

[lime crypt]

btw whats general view on deathspike?

[slim hamlet]

This is what I hope to take, guessing you have simmed this Whispyr?

[balmy condor]

oh yeah that blows

[slim hamlet]

Unlucky

[balmy condor]

I mean it doesn't blow

but dungeonslice doesn't like it

let me find it in the combos rq

[slim hamlet]

I would only use this for higher keys

Like what would have been 24-25ish s3

[raven egret]

15sish

[balmy condor]

-3.5%

[balmy condor]

but you play this in higher keys

it's -1% in boss damage and like 5-10% ahead in prio

it's a no brainer

[raven egret]

still balancing AoE and ST sounds like it'll be fun to figure out in S1

[covert jewel]

and it uses ER?

[balmy condor]

I guess it could use cold blood technically

[covert jewel]

it goes against every logic, but i ve been playing double vanish past 3 days and i... like it

[balmy condor]

yeah double vanish sucks huge cock

[raven egret]

we still have no clue if ER is supposed to proc stalker's Mark uh?

[balmy condor]

not recommending that for shit

[balmy condor]

correct

[slim hamlet]

Oh yea this looks great

No double shiv is a bit feels bad for bosses, but just don't take iron wire

[balmy condor]

I gave it to casual yesterday

and he was loving it

iron wire definitely worth taking over lightweight

not even a discussion

iron wire is insanely strong

[slim hamlet]

It was joke :(

[balmy condor]

and lightweight is very minimal impact

I can't tell man

I'm traumatized

[slim hamlet]

I fucking hope the good high key build will have SBS in the end

Looks so fun to play

[balmy condor]

double vanish and no iron wire builds are my personal vietnam

[covert jewel]

oops

[raven egret]

I mean, the combo points return itself is fun I agree with that part. Rest of it you just dont really feel

[slim hamlet]

If either of these exists its a joke:

[slate crown]

With this you'd just hold your first shiv till end of KB, then just cast on CD every CD right?

[slim hamlet]

Well that is all you need to feel

[balmy condor]

correct

[spice surge]

Lotsa mfers out there not taking iron wire because "they need to max dps" and then they take double vanish

[raven egret]

Fair enough

[slim hamlet]

As we agreed on the other day

Vanish is off the gcd and ER is on the gcd

Which means vanish must be more dmg

[shy crow]

stealth mechanics bad

[balmy condor]

lotsa mfers out there not taking iron wire because "they need to max dps" and then they take double vanish, and let the deathstalker capstone just fully fucking expire

[covert jewel]

wait how, its 30s

[junior aurora]

but we need the other vanish for restealths whisypr

[balmy condor]

no clue

just let it drop on a boss

refused to build to 7cp

[spice surge]

Some of those also take symbolic victory and follow the blood

[balmy condor]

wait does he really

[spice surge]

YEP

[balmy condor]

incredible

[slim hamlet]

????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Wtf do you mean

[balmy condor]

like he was on a boss

[slim hamlet]

How do you not at some point in the 30 seconds accidentally end on 7

[balmy condor]

and he just

didn't build to 7

and the capstone just timed out

[slim hamlet]

tbh

[raven egret]

That uh.... ok. Well... takes all kinds of players I suppose

[balmy condor]

don't smoke kids

[raven egret]

maybe they have a personal rule to never use more than 1 builder per finisher

for

reasons

[slim hamlet]

How else would we be able to cook like we do best?

[balmy condor]

I guess should be don't smoke, kids

important comma

anyway

welcome to the curse of m+

gonna finish writing up the pin things now and then slam a monster and more guide and I hate crunch time

[slim hamlet]

Bro I tried this new thing

Instead of energy drinks

Simply slamming down a litre of juice, it's actually crazy op

[covert jewel]

why are u the only purple named person answering stuff here

[slim hamlet]

Who would've thought

[normal mist]

Also drink water, monsters alone won't suffice

[balmy condor]

I'm built different

[slim hamlet]

And here it's cheaper than an energydrink too

[spice surge]

Truly constructed in an alternative manner

[balmy condor]

monsters are made from water

[covert jewel]

god bless ig

[slim hamlet]

Because he only recently got purple name, he will soon become a true shadow when the voices consume him

[balmy condor]

I went to an italian restaurant today for dinner and finished up with an espresso at 10:45

[normal mist]

They already did, didn't you notice?

[slim hamlet]

I am guessing that is PM?

[slim hamlet]

There are rankings of consumption, he aint fully gone yet

[balmy condor]

Yes

[normal mist]

... We need another tier list.

[slim hamlet]

A tier list of voices

[normal mist]

Silent voice was the best

[slim hamlet]

N'zoths whispers would be lower ranked than #assassination voices

[balmy condor]

First stream when I get back it’s monster tier list time

[normal mist]

HELL YEAH

[shy pecan]

Ew

[normal mist]

The amount of people that recently joined the server and ask for tier lists, (in specific #wow-general ) is growing rapidly

[slate crown]

I don't want to cast fok in st

[slim hamlet]

Then don't but your loss buddy

-0.2% dmg to you lil bro

[slate crown]

[normal mist]

Think of it like dancing

[slate crown]

But I have sub for that

[normal mist]

You just dance with knives for a bit

Also guys make sure you make VV build happen, so I can legit sleep while I dps

[slim hamlet]

I am legit just not playing assa if that ends up being an actual thing

Only thing that could make me full on main something else

[normal mist]

I'd see it being just another St build

[slim hamlet]

I mean if it's like 0.3% ahead then I wouldn't carew

But if you're actually inting by not using it

[normal mist]

Yeah ik what you mean

[haughty flicker]

i dont feel that strongly about it

but it is pretty cringe that its even a thing

[normal mist]

Would be a pretty good build for beginners

[slim hamlet]

What is VV gameplay even?

Just nothing

[normal mist]

No need to vanish

[slim hamlet]

I guess

[normal mist]

Because no imp garr

[slim hamlet]

How much lower is the burst do we know?

[normal mist]

Whispyr had numbers (sim)

But idk if anything changed in the meantime

[slim hamlet]

Even if it simmed higher it would probably be like KB in s1 DF where it would still be better to have the burst than the higher overall sometimes

[balmy condor]

I do not venture into that place where the sun doth not shine

[slim hamlet]

Isn't that where we are right now?

[haughty flicker]

no we're on offtopic

[slim hamlet]

No

Worse

Offtopic-2

[haughty flicker]

actually

[normal mist]

Nah general sometimes gets scary

[haughty flicker]

i kind of think offtopic 2.0 is better

offtopic is scary whenever i go there

so i stopped

[balmy condor]

I used to mod general

[slim hamlet]

I honestly think I have never clicked on general

[balmy condor]

And then the brainrot actually was so high

That my blood pressure could not survive in that environment

And I had to mute it

[haughty flicker]

i used to main outlaw so im used to brainrot

[slim hamlet]

I lied

I am an avid writer even

[normal mist]

Mostly new players looking for guidance

Problem is when it's them trolls

[haughty flicker]

also royal never acknowledged my recent transmog cook

and im sad

[normal mist]

"HEARD ROGUE SUCK BUT I HAVE 0 CLUE WHY"

[normal mist]

Wait what did I miss, I played FF9 for like 4 hours today

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/доброе-утро-gif-24865283

[slim hamlet]

Why

Why did you make me look at that

Why

[normal mist]

Now you know

[slim hamlet]

Lol I made a pp

[normal mist]

Sometimes people create monsters in #transmog

[slim hamlet]

I am a full set andy

[normal mist]

But with the recent event we did, we saw good cooking

[haughty flicker]

i was actually going to make a kobold

[slim hamlet]

Why waste such well made sets to just make something worse

[haughty flicker]

but then i saw the nipple straps

[normal mist]

Mostly because it's boring

[slim hamlet]

Yea maybe

[normal mist]

(I say that using full T3 ATM)

[cerulean nest]

does snd count as a finisher to consume a mark?

[slim hamlet]

I just like looking at cool mog idc about creating them

Besides shoulders, helmets, capes and weapons I might look at

[haughty flicker]

im bad at the actual game so i spend my time making transmogs

[slim hamlet]

Specially back piece and weapons

[haughty flicker]

because then even if they're bad i can just say its a matter of opinion

[normal mist]

Negative

[haughty flicker]

and trick myself into thinking im good

[slim hamlet]

Look good = Be good right?

We are still playing classic right?

[normal mist]

Yes

Yesn't

[haughty flicker]

in shadowlands i was an aotc andy

but i had to pug for every aotc

because my guild was bad

and i blame that on the rl/main tank never transmogging his gear

he just did that shit raw

[slim hamlet]

Natty zero mogging in 2020 is wild

[raven egret]

my RL looks like a leveling character

[normal mist]

#1262437829150113855 You should give it a look, you might enjoy something

[slim hamlet]

Yoink

Or wait isn't that the belt from the ultra omega deluxe edition?

[normal mist]

Belt and chest iirc

[haughty flicker]

and chest

pay2win mog

[slim hamlet]

I was gonna buy it

[normal mist]

Bro saw the first tmog on the whole thread and yoinked it

[slim hamlet]

But now I feel like I would get a lot less value since I only really cared about the beta

[slim hamlet]

I insta right click copied it

[haughty flicker]

yeah if thats all you really want from it then its a bit late

[slim hamlet]

But I did scroll like 20 mogs down, that one was still best imo

[haughty flicker]

ive tried making a couple pay2win sets

works better on pally than rogue

[lime crypt]

quick question, what makes my rupture fully refund my Combo points?

talking beta

[raven egret]

SBS - Bone Spikes

[cunning cloak]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[lime crypt]

okay thanks

[balmy condor]

Beta - Deathstalker Info

[haughty flicker]

a thread pog

[raven egret]

[haughty flicker]

its like a pin but even better

[fallen shore]

so we should ambush then garrote

[balmy condor]

ofc

[raven egret]

yeah we have to

[haughty flicker]

why does sin have cobra shot now

[runic hinge]

@shy pecan @thorn fjord @junior aurora she’s making us watch a sad bird movie too. Feels like a punishment

[balmy condor]

thrown precision idk

[raven egret]

Man the shots at rapid injections I'm dying

[fallen shore]

should i care about every add having poisons

[haughty flicker]

very nice write up

[fallen shore]

or i just use first stealth to get all that i can

then just do rotation

on more hp add

or should i use vanish to get more adds with poisons

then cds

[balmy condor]

poisons spread themselves with fan of knives

[fallen shore]

i mean

rupture and garrote

[balmy condor]

yes, if rupture and garrote didn't apply, fok will

no thought required

[fallen shore]

wtf

so i just garrote rupture one guy

then just fok

[balmy condor]

what

[haughty flicker]

replace where he said poisons with bleeds

[balmy condor]

no, obviously you want to spread garrote and rupture

[fallen shore]

oh

yea

mb

spanish player

so i ask again

should i care to after my first stealth

vanish again to get all adds with bleeds

or should i just go with rotation

[balmy condor]

if you want to vanish for more damage or an interrupt or something then yeah go ahead and vanish

but it's not needed

rupture and garrote outside of stealth are for energy and scent of blood stacks

[fallen shore]

k so opener will be like

ambush garrote rupture garrote rupture until i get out of stealth

then vanish garrote rupture garrote rupture

then get to big add and use big cds

[balmy condor]

why would you vanish right after stealth

[fallen shore]

to get more adds with bleeds

[balmy condor]

how big is this pull jesus

[stiff tapir]

Hey guys! I'm seeing a lot of people using the seal of fillial duty and the seal of diurna or w/e, but those trigger only off fire damage, but ... do we do fire damage?

i feel like we don't...

[fallen shore]

i usually get 9 adds with bleeds only

[haughty flicker]

helmet enchant

[raven egret]

Head enchant

[stiff tapir]

ohhhhh gdi

[fallen shore]

on first stealth

[balmy condor]

I mean 9 targets you come out of stealth, ambush gar rup gar gar rup

and you're good to go

[raven egret]

Then you spatter the shit out of them

[balmy condor]

that's 9 garrotes, max scent stacks, and infinite energy

[raven egret]

and let CT do the rest 😄

[fallen shore]

k then i should not care if there are more adds

to apply bleeds

i should just use first stealth and get the more i can with that

[balmy condor]

idk if you'd ever need more honestly

in what situation are you pulling more than that

[fallen shore]

k one more question

after i get that

i go to the big guy with hp right

[balmy condor]

yes

[fallen shore]

what should i press in what order

[balmy condor]

mutilate and then your cooldowns

[fallen shore]

in any order on special

[balmy condor]

well deathmark shiv kingsbane

like normal

[fallen shore]

and after i get my cds i just keep caustic spatter uptime

then i spam fok and envenom

[balmy condor]

maintain CT and rup for energy, but yes

[fallen shore]

kk

i tried to spam

CT

and i did hella dps

[balmy condor]

spam ct?

[fallen shore]

idk if more than spamming envenom

[balmy condor]

why would you do that

[fallen shore]

i did 8m opener with that shi

[heavy jolt]

during kingsbane do we refresh ruptures in aoe? how important is it to maintain 5ish ruptures?

[balmy condor]

but CT is a dot

you're just overriding the dot over and over

that's such a waste

[fallen shore]

k

then i dont do that

[balmy condor]

probably shouldn't, and very important

[fallen shore]

im talking about beta

ty for the info whispyr

[balmy condor]

np

[fallen shore]

i saw wow head beta talents

and it didnt tell me what to pick here

on bleed m+ talents on beta

[balmy condor]

correct, wowhead doesn't have beta talents, it has prepatch talents

we don't do guides for beta

only the live version of the game

[fallen shore]

this is what im currently using

[balmy condor]

that's fine

[fallen shore]

are you playing beta any recommendation

[balmy condor]

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMjZmZGmxyMAAAAAAMbw2MAAAAAA022MzwDMzYMzMLzyYMYmZmZwMzsttMmBYzsMwAWCWGmADLA

I'm done playing beta

expac in 2 weeks

have to write guides

beta testing was the last 3 months

[marble hemlock]

youre the goat

[fallen shore]

how u using sbs

[raven egret]

guide me daddy

[fallen shore]

on rotation

[balmy condor]

well I press rupture

and it throws a bone spike

and I get cp back

and then I use another finisher

[balmy condor]

how do you like the pin format

[marble hemlock]

the 50 emotes are

crazy

[balmy condor]

like a goth girl with daddy issues crazy or like a jeffrey dahmer crazy

[marble hemlock]

well the first one is pretty normal and almost assumed isnt it?

[balmy condor]

idk I'm trying to get a vibecheck

[marble hemlock]

due to recent events id go with

"take your hands off my penis" and "a succulent chinese meal" crazy

[balmy condor]

[marble hemlock]

rip that guy

[balmy condor]

that's so ambiguous still

is this good

[marble hemlock]

its majestic

[balmy condor]

good good

[cerulean walrus]

Whispyr I’m not gonna lie… when I read that I felt like I was reading one of those copypastas with the bajillion emojis

Good work

[balmy condor]

so many mixed signals

are we touching tips or not

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah bro

Be there in 20

[balmy condor]

sounds good

okay now leave me alone I need to finish the second thing

[slim hamlet]

Where is the queue for this?

[fallen shore]

bro with the sbs i can do double rupture fast with the stealth

on big packs

[fallen shore]

i figured that out

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/rq-yay-rq-yes-cat-rq-rq-yes-yes-yes-gif-20226294

[balmy condor]

Beta - Fatebound Info

[zinc willow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[spice lagoon]

Is this laptop any good?

[runic hinge]

is this the right place

looks fine tho

[gilded oasis]

yeah we share a brain cell

[upper verge]

If you’re just trying to run wow yes

[spice lagoon]

Will it play call of duty gone too?

Fine too @upper verge

[upper verge]

With a 4060 I imagine

But make sure you get a good cooling pad

[spice lagoon]

Okay because I gotta 3050 and it’s tough to play cod but wow it’s cool

@upper verge what about this one ?

[upper verge]

I mean if you’re willing to spend that much on a laptop you can build
Your own pc with better specs but we’re getting very off topic

[spice lagoon]

Is it good tho rn for a starter laptop

[haughty flicker]

brother that laptop has a better graphics card than my pc

[runic hinge]

you can build a beter desktop for 1300$

it's crazy tho that you're posting screenshots taken with your phone

[spice lagoon]

I’m sorry I’m just bored looking around the block

Asking for advice there’s nothing wrong with that

[runic hinge]

There isn’t. It’s just wild in the year of our lord 2024 you’re not using the snipping tool and just pasting it in discord

[subtle drift]

Quick question, haven's seen in the search. When do i use the Cruel Dreamweaver Ability in the opener?

[haughty flicker]

you dont

it gives a buff based on the mob you used it on that just persists forever

so go stab something then forget it exists

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[subtle drift]

Okay... but when do i use it? :D

Is is like a hunters mark?

And i can do it before?

[haughty flicker]

no

you dont use it in combat

dont use it in opener

walk outside valdrakken, go stab a dragonkin in the face

then forget it has an active

[subtle drift]

Oh okay

[haughty flicker]

the buff stays as long as you have the dagger equipped

so you dont have to worry about it

[subtle drift]

Is there a recommended buff?

[haughty flicker]

none of them are super impactful

[subtle drift]

5% speed seems the best on first note

[haughty flicker]

i just default to speed

[subtle drift]

Now i need to find a dragonkin

[dark token]

I do that all the time cause I'm on my work pc

And discord not allowed to be installed there

But I can still play games

[subtle drift]

Thank you BTW

[haughty flicker]

ye np

[subtle drift]

Where those secretly buffed? I have 10% now + mountspeed

[rotund oak]

dont wanna ruin anything but u are chatting with a bot

😅

[subtle drift]

Nah, it was just for reference

[half moat]

Has Blizz said anything about possibly making Garrotes from stealth apply Deathstalkers mark as well as Ambush?

[rotund oak]

[slate crown]

Nope.

[half moat]

sadge.

[royal laurel]

How much crit % is good for assa?

im sitting on 28 feel like its too low

[normal mist]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[grave solar]

Hey fellas, returning after a long time.

Am I correct in assuming that Crimson tempest is just a maintenance DOT? As in if it's not in pandemic, and everything has rupture, I should be casting envenom in aoe?

[urban anvil]

Wouldnt you end up changing mark a few times in the opener then?

Should make the mark like hunters mark or something

[runic hinge]

That’s correct