assassination

[slim hamlet]

If you mean macro. None

[orchid pewter]

If you are asking for keybind

Its g

[slim hamlet]

ctrl+c *

[orchid pewter]

Nah def g

[slim hamlet]

nah

Lies

[orchid pewter]

Ctrl c is a cursed keybind reserved for brewmaster

[slim hamlet]

Could be shift+c too but I bound dance to that so

[orchid pewter]

Shift c is tea or second on use trinket

[tardy granite]

I mean macro sorry *

[slim hamlet]

You can't macro it

It's on gcd

[tardy granite]

okay thank u

[slim hamlet]

Only tea is off gcd for us now

[tardy granite]

But you don't want to bind the tea right?

[slim hamlet]

It's not optimal to do so no

[tardy granite]

Thank you for help 🙂

[slim hamlet]

Of course :)

[lunar pond]

https://wago.io/Hy9eKKV47

I delete quite a bit out since it’s a bit busy (my preference), minimally the kb and envenom trackers are great. I just don’t personally use a lot of overlays.

[oblique jackal]

I tried the SBS build and the bleed build

[jade drum]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[terse orchid]

Weird way to spell F

With the kingsbane change/nerf, are we still planning tea and vanish around pumping it up?

[spice surge]

no

[sullen fjord]

hey, can anyone tell me whats currently most realistic beta build for assa?

[soft niche]

when do we use tea ?

[spice surge]

Make sure you get 100 energy from it during shiv

[grim jay]

All of those in the wowhead guide

But it does

They all play well

Just a tad different

And with a different focus

[weak isle]

Hey that's mine

[spice surge]

Mickeymouse spec can pick pretty much any combination of the bottom talents and be fine

[weak isle]

Bit busy? Care to elaborate in dm's? Im more than happy to adjust things

[spice lagoon]

is this reset gonna be a long one?

[slim hamlet]

Nothing new is getting added afaik so doubt

[spice lagoon]

i was asking when servers are coming back up.

[rare brook]

Can I ask a rogue specialist some help on rotation I don’t wanna spam the chat

[normal mist]

You can spam the chat

But did you read the wowhead rotation guide already?

[rare brook]

Yeah

[normal mist]

Then feel free to ask questions

[rare brook]

Just a little bit confused on what I do in a aoe scenario and I can’t stealth or vanish to apply garrote to multiple targets

[spice surge]

Apply ruptures manually

Until you have enough energy, or until you have maxed scnet of blood stacks if you have it talented

[rare brook]

Ahhh ok

[crystal nymph]

how they canuse rupture 2 times in a row? in aoe pack

[spice surge]

Not sure who "they" is, but probably because of bonespike if its in the opener

[dapper cradle]

are we for real running boner spike in keys?

[spice surge]

If you want to

#assassination message

[spice spire]

Buddy I always want to

But also that’s cold king

[spice surge]

Quake always down to bone

I see how it is

[spice spire]

Amen

Call me the bone zone

[crystal nymph]

zero used 7cp rupture after that he used 6cp rupture

[spice surge]

Bonespike

Like i said

[crystal nymph]

let me check it ty

[subtle tundra]

reading talents has always been a problem

[spice surge]

Well its not obvious that bonespike would give 6cp with IC

It should give 3

[potent raven]

could anyone sen me talents for beta

[normal mist]

Pre patch talents work

[potent raven]

i mean hero

ones

well nvm i ahve them on my 2nd rogue

just

[normal mist]

It seems you then have the answers you seek

[potent raven]

indeed

[chilly karma]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• You can add in some sanguine/rupture value from carnage, but chaining allows for higher uptime and smoother energy overall, eliminating a lot of ramp at the start of a pull
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths (chain heavy spiteful weeks are only about -30% on stealths)
• You still have vanish which gives you plenty of options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[midnight mist]

@balmy condor spiteful gone update command

[kindred breach]

https://tenor.com/view/thierry-henry-meme-french-football-montre-gif-19169593

[grim jay]

!stealthbreak

[prisma monolith]

Stealth can break from:

• Evoker legendary buff expiring and bouncing back to the Evoker.
• Ominous Chromatic Essence trinket on buff gain
• Voice of the Silent Star when wearing it yourself
• Misterweaver soothing mist when talented into Unison
• Blossom of Amirdrassil (trinket) initial hot dropping/spreading
• Vicious brand (Signet trinket self damage)

[grim jay]

do you know who that Mister Weaver is?

[crystal nymph]

it gives you 6 when it has 3 stacks

3 from stacks + 3 from rupture

[balmy condor]

I’ll put it on my to-do list babe thanks

[balmy condor]

What math is this

[crystal nymph]

bone spike

[crystal nymph]

am i wrong?

[balmy condor]

Bone spike gives cp based on how many bone spikes are applied, so if you rupture from carnage, the first bone spike from the first rupture is 1 baseline, the second is 1 baseline + 1 from the bone spikes already out, the third is 1 baseline + 2 from the bone spikes already out

1+2+3

Has nothing to do with ruptures

Rupture just uses the spike

[slim hamlet]

Anyone wanna queue the Delve Hour on the beta this weekend?

[midnight mist]

Ye friend of mine

[crystal nymph]

i didnt understand correctly 😦

[sage star]

Is there any idea when we'll know what consumables/embellishments to use? I guess I'm just asking when the sims are done but IDK.

[midnight mist]

Rn it's ap stones, the yellow DPS pot and for sin probably the all stat flask, altough for outlaw the vers one is decently ahead so maybe you use a stat one for sin aswel

Embellishments are kinda all trash tho idk yet, and not sure they are all implemented rn

Even in game not all of them works

We now have all stats blue silken tho

So that might be good

[sage star]

It'll end up being different stuff for different specs then is the guess?

[midnight mist]

Regarding embellishments? Ye maybe

[spice surge]

You only get cp from bonespikes.
The first one gives you 1 cp (like it should)
The second one hits milliseconds later and gives you 2 cp, because it hits milliseconds later it sees that you already have a bonespike dot up, thus giving you 2 stacks
The third one hits milliseconds after the second one, and thus gives you 3 cp, because theres 2 bonespike dots up

[spice surge]

Note that the silken linings in war within gives LESS stats than blue silken lining does on a 525 item

[sage star]

Well even flasks look different if we prefer the +secondary ones. RN it's basically just crit or vers if your poor.

[crystal nymph]

i got it ty

[spice surge]

All embellishments (and gear in general, gems/enchants/tier/trinkets) are tuned to be fairly weak

[midnight mist]

Ye I know, all stats things are all kind of fucked up rn

Like the cursed enchants for example

Make no sense

[sage star]

Why don't they make sense?

[spice surge]

Because you can either get like 320 of a stat

Or get 350 of a stat but it costs you like 100 of another stat

[midnight mist]

Ye

It's silly

[royal lantern]

what if the enemys are all in the same perfect distance away from you, so the spikes all hit at the excat same time

[midnight mist]

At first it made sense because it was like a very big stat gain

[spice surge]

Doesnt matter

They still hit at different milliseconds

[midnight mist]

You gained +3k of something for the cost of 1 k something

Which was a cool thing tbf

Like you got to chose your stats

Rn with tier set, neck, ring, and back that are kinda locked slots

[sage star]

So unless you get pigeonholed into just one stat (mas for evokers for example) then they're a straight loss? Or are they just ass to begin with?

[midnight mist]

You aren't left with a lot of liberty to chose stats

[royal lantern]

losing stats is allready very rarely a big gain outside of exceptional stuff

now its such a minor "gain" for an equal lose that its even more weird

[royal lantern]

almost no spec in the game is pigeonholed into just 1 stat

people need to realise that all stats increase your performance always

[midnight mist]

I think the best spec for these things is outlaw

And even then it's not good enough

[midnight mist]

Cause you trade mast for vers

[royal lantern]

its not "X stat gives dmg and Y stat does nothing"

its "X stat gives a bit more dmg then Y"

[midnight mist]

And outlaw mastery is close to 0 value

[sage star]

Yeah and more of one kind generally makes the other's more valuable. So they're probably hot garbage.

Why ap stones instead of the oils?

[midnight mist]

Cause the oils sucks ass

And the AP stones are kinda over stated I think

At least for now

And sim wise they are way ahead

[balmy condor]

None of the consumables and embellishments seem tuned tbh

[spice surge]

Isnt it great to have your tierset be like 2% dmg

(for both bonuses combined)

[midnight mist]

Ye can Relate

[balmy condor]

Like tier sets suck, stones kinda suck, food sucks, gems suck, enchants suck

Real weird

[spice surge]

Almost all trinkets suck too

[balmy condor]

I’m assuming we’ll see buffs going into the season at least

[spice surge]

Besides the one that sucks to play, but is good numerically

[royal lantern]

even more weird comming from DF where all those things where BIG

lol

[balmy condor]

Weapon enchants seem weird too

[royal lantern]

like, enchants could swing your dmg like crazy, trinkets where strong af, tiersets where like 20%+ sometimes

[balmy condor]

Authority was insane and then collapsed

Feels real rough atm

Think they’re gonna tune items and all the bonus stuff in a couple weeks when the specs kinda get close

[sage star]

So like the week before early access

[balmy condor]

I mean they’re behind

There’s going to be tuning every week

All the way through raid release

[sage star]

Oh so even after

oof that's a bummer lol

[royal lantern]

dont buy rank3 enchants on raid launch

[balmy condor]

We’re gonna be seeing tuning until end of September, early October

[midnight mist]

Watch me

[sage star]

I was wanting to get crafters set up so I can make my own shit but that's not gonna work easily if it's all fubar

[crisp stream]

There goes my money making scheme

[balmy condor]

Cause they gotta CRANK changes if they want the season to work out

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-cat-staring-cat-stare-stop-staring-at-me-please-gif-9315292369693569596

im watching

[vestal wren]

tuning feels way out of place still

but its soo difficult to say

because of all the unfixed bugs

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Echoing reprimand still not working with deathstalker at all

[midnight mist]

Doesn't work with coup either

But what does coup work with

[silk bane]

isnt subterfuge making garrotes from stealth give 5 cps and like 120% damage amp or something?

subterfuge stonks bbyyyyy

[balmy condor]

What is coup? Is that some outlaw thing I’m too assa pilled to understand

[silk bane]

double vanish crowd was right

[runic hinge]

Coup dn

[spice surge]

It also still doesnt work with internal bleeding since pretty much all of DF

[balmy condor]

Yeah I love being right for all the wrong reasons

[silk bane]

[royal lantern]

recoup broken for the entirety of DF and now probably TWW again

[balmy condor]

“Double vanish is pog for chain pulls!!!” We all say in unison as improved garrote is 150% too strong

[silk bane]

hey now, they did bug it out so it was working for like 4 whle days before they fixed it again (fixed is being broken ofc)

[midnight mist]

Nah it's sub only since they forgot to make it work with outlaw

[spice surge]

Even with 2x subterfuge probably more worth it to get 1 point of lethality over vanish charge

[balmy condor]

It is

[balmy condor]

I see

Makes sense

[spice surge]

Trickster - Sub tree
Fatebound - outlaw tree
Deathstalker - One of the trees of all time

[silk bane]

?? doesnt work with half our shit either man idk

but trickster as a whole is sub only

too bad we'll play deathstalker once they bug fix it

[midnight mist]

Uh, it doesn't work with anything for outlaw tho, at least you guys got a few interactions lol

[balmy condor]

Ladies it’s not a competition for whose tree works the least

[midnight mist]

Hope it stays that way tho, fuck if I'm forced to play this trash

[balmy condor]

[silk bane]

it works with crackshot though get rekt bud, nice gcd lock little T-rex ass arms pirate

[midnight mist]

Kekw

[lunar pond]

Meant nothing by it. I just don’t need all that is included in the package. I like yours over any of the others that are pinned or w/e. I just don’t use the energy, cp, many of the cooldowns, etc

The KB and Envenom trackers are basically perfect. I edited my OG message to at least attempt for it to not come off negatively.

[brazen sluice]

any1 got talent build for m+ for sin ?

trying betas

beta*

[balmy condor]

Pins

[brazen sluice]

checked pins doesnt have hero talents and im still new to sin so idk which one

[balmy condor]

Did you read the note

[vestal wren]

, can we still make it one?

[covert jewel]

somehow double vanish feels ok in m+ idk

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’ll happen when subterfuge is insanely bugged I guess

[midnight mist]

you would lose buddy dont try me

[silk bane]

bro lied to us once again. 150% stealth garrotes.... restealths matter smh.

had to sub to bros only fans to get this info

[balmy condor]

I’m a big big liar for sure

[covert jewel]

sus

[vestal wren]

i hate how vanish/subterfuge is only extremes.
Subterfuge/Vanish - completely useless on assassiantion but mandatory on outlaw
I wish we had a decision in how these things integrate (or not) into the specs and have it consistent

[silk bane]

its the same concept as df release trees kinda. each branch is meant to interact mostly with one spec.

like in s1, we had left being sin, middle being outlaw, right being sub

now its kinda the same, mostly meant for one spec but others kinda can use it too

also i HATE adding cttc to all 3 specs. its one of the dumbest shit ive seen

not only it makes i homogenized regarding how specs keep snd, it doesnt even fucking work for one of the specs

[royal lantern]

you know the weird thing

that we have the "choice", cus some classes literally just get all 3 class tree capstones for free lol

[vestal wren]

i wouldn't consider it intentional.
But for me it feels rly weird to have subterfuge completely useless on assassiantion by design.

[royal lantern]

like, not saying thats better ofc, but its just so weird

[vestal wren]

thats because we have a higher than usual amount of dps nodes in the general tree

[silk bane]

im fine about not getting all capstones, but class tree shouldnt be where my fucking damage and build comes from

[vestal wren]

just remove some dps nodes

and give me no fall damage

and sprint on water

[silk bane]

i wanna play dust? oh well i gotta go penetrate myself with a dildo the size of the sword stuck in azeroths ass to get double vanish

then go ahead and add a line to the apl to ignore subterfuge ALL THE TIME except litearlly the 3 seconds of combat.

so i can play my spec

banger design though

[covert jewel]

btw 6sec subterfuge on dust is weird to get used to, for me it is at least

[royal lantern]

yeha ik

[silk bane]

litealrly ignore it except opener

[hexed frost]

I've been doing 15-16 keys for sometime now and i rarely, if ever, see any mob surviving through the 2nd shiv charge during kingsbane (even w/o DM). So i find the 2nd shiv charge pretty useless most of the time

Is there any big brain play around AP to make it more meaningful with bleedmaxxing builds?

What about using shiv when mobs are low and CT is up, to trigger more burst Sanguine and Demise damage?

[vestal wren]

yes, but thats more a fundermental design problem with subtlety being designed around dance.
And vanish now cospaying as shadow dance

[royal lantern]

tbf, so many trees are weird, leveling some classes showed it me again

hunter trees are literally just 90% of "you do 10% more dmg with X thing"

ret spec tree is just "you do 20things more with 1 ability, and it does 20% more dmg"

[balmy condor]

Using shiv for demise is a complete waste because demise is inefficient damage, right now the cook is just not taking a second charge of shiv in m+ builds but after some APL updates there’s really weird stuff popping out so idk, will need to look into it

If you want to see something insane

This is within a couple % of the the highest dslice build

[silk bane]

there are may bad trees for sure, except the wizards trees

[balmy condor]

Dslice is a very reasonable sim

Incredibly normal results here

[royal lantern]

tbf, ret is not bad, its just overloaded af

like

1 point gives you 20 things at once

[hexed frost]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-dude-omg-fall-gif-14781278

It's sooo over for kingsbane bros

But how's the boss damage then?

[balmy condor]

Bad

[hexed frost]

[hexed frost]

expected

[nova wolf]

all my homies hate kingsbane

[runic hinge]

Juiced af on trash tho

[balmy condor]

I need to look at arterial logic though I can’t believe poison bomb is taken there

But kingsbane is must take

No matter what dslice decides to hallucinate

[royal lantern]

@silk bane average ret paladin free side node

[lucid meteor]

So question are the current bugs making our damage inflated or worse?

[royal lantern]

[weak isle]

Fair enough! Thanks

[balmy condor]

Depends on what talents you’re taking

If you’re taking subterfuge for whatever reason, it’s inflated

Deathstalker marks being consumed from the first generator after the capstone is inflating

Fatebound is probably slightly worse because of fate intertwined

[lucid meteor]

I mean fatebound is terrible anyway for keys

[balmy condor]

Fatal intent on deathstalker not working is a couple % that we should have that we currently don’t

What

[lucid meteor]

The shit just falls off

[balmy condor]

Fatebound is great for keys lmao?

[lucid meteor]

Depending on the dungeon

[cinder quartz]

fr just retire slice and dice if it's just a 1 time cast

[royal lantern]

huh?

mate

deathstalker is terrible

fatebound is good lol

[balmy condor]

Deathstalker isn’t terrible

But fatebound cranks

[royal lantern]

terrible to play

[covert jewel]

cant say its terrible tho

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

Not really

It’s just the edge cases where you run into bosses and shit that remove the mark

If it’s just pull to pull it’s fine

[hexed frost]

Do we even "play around" fatebound or is it a totally passive hero tree?

[tribal hinge]

I havent touched assa since 2018, just gonna do some 10s on beta. Is the "bleed" build with fatebound goto?

[balmy condor]

You’ll want to vanish on 5 coins to try and fish for capstone

Otherwise nah

[balmy condor]

That’s fine yeah

[tribal hinge]

whats the "easiest" / best?

[balmy condor]

No clue

[cinder quartz]

strongest rogue side node

[balmy condor]

Fatebound is a good passive option though

So probably a good place to start

[tribal hinge]

Where is fatebound talent nodes? didnt see in pins

maybe im trolling

[balmy condor]

Read the note

[tribal hinge]

"Simply add the hero talents on top. See the wowhead talent page for more info "

[balmy condor]

Yep

[tribal hinge]

on top

on top of what

[balmy condor]

Of the builds

You just take any build

And then play whatever hero talent

And gg it works

[tribal hinge]

hm ok, but with whatever talent node

on hero talent?

[balmy condor]

Yep

They’re either low impact or competitive either way

[normal mist]

Whispyr, with what you've tested in beta, do you think playing CB, or not playing CB, is the same thing, and both possible builds are the same?

asking because of this node

[balmy condor]

Idk what the question is

You macro cb regardless

[weak isle]

Also ur first msg never came of negative, was just wondering that if it was to busy it's always nice to update accordingly

[normal mist]

Aight, not having played beta does sometimes bite me in the butt, since i wasnt sure if we were 100% playing CB or not, even thought we keep talking about it

[balmy condor]

Inevitably and cb is looking better than destiny defined

[normal mist]

That answers it, now i know

[grim jay]

that will make some people happy

ig

[balmy condor]

But m+ is really up in the air atm

Dashing being nonfunctional in sims is making thing difficult

[normal mist]

Nah i focus more in ST / raid so m+ is whatever for me

[balmy condor]

Single target when sims get fixed is easily deathstalker I think

Think cold blood is also a gear thing

Like with season 2 gear cold blood won’t be played

[normal mist]

because + stats = + crit chance = CB loses value right?

[balmy condor]

Yeah and destiny defined gets better with everything

Like cold blood is purely + crit

[normal mist]

Unless they somewhat cook some new tier set working around CB

[balmy condor]

Destiny defined you get more poisons

[normal mist]

in S2

[subtle tundra]

oollalalalalal

I AM HERE

COOK

KEEP COOKING

[long island]

hey, do i have to focus on staying above 50% all the time?

[balmy condor]

On live or beta

[long island]

pre patch live

[balmy condor]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[long island]

ah okey i understand

i dont have 4 piece yet i made the rogue a week ago

[balmy condor]

Yeh just stay above 50% then

[long island]

if i get the tier set does that mean ill swap out sanguine for a diff talent or it will stay there as a passive buff?

[balmy condor]

No you keep it

[willow rapids]

whispyr I think you'll be glad to hear yoda was playiung sin yday and when he asked if 2x vanish is any good, people told him no

[balmy condor]

Huge

The world is healing

[normal mist]

Community W

[willow rapids]

the message is spreading

[spice surge]

Now if only the restealth message could get across too

Then we'd be ballin

But we gotta take the W's we get

[errant trail]

who’s yoda

[balmy condor]

M+ Streamer guy

Plays rogue semi regularly

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/chile-yoda-creepy-weird-luke-gif-23558761

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-british-food-mods-low-tier-god-gif-9108075214677777615

[analog hornet]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[cinder quartz]

for fatebound what happens if you deathmark then cb. does your next envenom pick a random side, or does it count as both?

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-i-fucking-get-you-neko-atsume-me-when-me-when-i-get-you-mrtheyes-gif-4157721420697656658

[spice surge]

You effectively "waste" the cb roll thing

Since it just guarantees something that was already guaranteed anyway

[grim jay]

I'm knackered. time for a cuppa tea, innit?

[cinder quartz]

so you'd wanna get an envenom between DM and CB?

thus getting 4 in a row

[balmy condor]

Probably just means you snd on 5

[cinder quartz]

er, you know what i mean

dm > envenom (both faces) > envenom (pick a face, 2 streak) > cb > envenom (matches last face, 3 streak) > envenom (matches last face, 4 streak)

[balmy condor]

Oh that’s what you mean

That already happens though if you macro cb to mut

At least often

[cinder quartz]

yeah but you'd wanna space it so it's not paired with those first 2 envenoms right?

since those 2 are "guaranteed" to match

[balmy condor]

Possibly

[cinder quartz]

i mean i guess i have no idea if getting a streak is important

[balmy condor]

But you’d be delaying and shit

Kinda cringe

Cold blood really loves being used on cd

I get the idea

[cinder quartz]

guess it's if the benefit of 1-2 more CB uses per fight outweights 4 streak, which seems likely true

[balmy condor]

But it seems like a pretty minor min max for a lot of complexity rotationally

[cinder quartz]

brain feel good when coin number go up tho

[grim jay]

kinda leaves me wanting deathboi to be way better even more

[cinder quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/seal-jiggle-clap-gif-18722222

[grim jay]

personally my brain feels better if we just ignore the coin

because ugh coin

[cinder quartz]

that is also an option

just press buttons and if it happens it happens

if anything is within 5% of optimal and it removes a plate from the plate spinning machine

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Macroing is just comfy

[royal lantern]

[exotic hazel]

I feel like this is exactly what I'll be doing 😂

I can accept a small damage loss in exchange for not overloading my simple brain

[keen mantle]

Is it assa nerfs today? My viewers actually made me believe this

[exotic hazel]

Not seen anything yet

[tall jay]

No, we are getting more buffs @keen mantle 🙂 lol

[balmy condor]

Not unless there were hotfixes

But I don’t see anything

[keen mantle]

Im gonna tell to you my dirty pleasure tho guys

Assa is too good in m+

I said it

[tall jay]

The top secret chef in the secret kitchen is still cooking 🙂

[exotic hazel]

I kinda wish the poison build was more viable in lower keys too

Stuff just dies too quickly though

[tall jay]

https://tenor.com/view/trying-not-to-laugh-holding-back-a-laugh-sure-okay-yeah-gif-6398092109038538495

[exotic hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-reynolds-smile-grin-sneaky-gif-17930953

[grim jay]

its not even that

I just refuse playing around that stupid coin

unless I really need to

:>

[cinder sparrow]

yo boyz, anyone know how to setup a glow on pandemic aura with plater ? like <6=glow

[raw dock]

Guys, do we have any rotation guide for tww that already consider the hero talents?

[potent raven]

its the same

[runic hinge]

what's there to play around, you just win the gamba

[naive crane]

we use our second vanish inbetween DM or before?

vanish/garrote

[blissful cosmos]

is it ok to send my ehco Echoing Reprimand early in my aoe opener like after my first rupture just to get more combo point to send another rupture faster on my window

or there a strict rule that i have to use it after my bleeds?

[spice surge]

No you just use echoing on cd

[blissful cosmos]

alright thank you

[normal mist]

before, delay DM a bit and vanish garr DM

[hoary remnant]

If coup gets fixed sub is on par and imo better for high keys.

[silk bane]

its very good, but its also very very bugged since you were running subterfuge last night from what i watched

[oak crystal]

Has anyone ever got coaching on how to play a class? Are they actually helpful or do they just regurgitate stuff in the guides anyway?

[normal mist]

They can't really invent stuff

and everything is in the guides xD

what i can see them doing is try to resume all the information in order a toddler could be able to understand

[keen mantle]

ye and missing 3% from fatal and other shit

so overall i think if everything gets fixed difference is not noticable at all

[balmy condor]

from having done coaching in the past it's not really about providing new info, it's about targeting the thing that they're having trouble understanding

and being there to correct mistakes on the fly and chat through the problems

[hoary remnant]

Imo its like having a coach at a gym. You can take one, but your better off imo investing the time and research to do it yourself and not get spoonfed everything.

Also you can guidance everywhere like here

[balmy condor]

but it would be an insanely scummy move to not include info in the guides and then offer it as info through coaching

that's not a thing

next level moral corruption

[silk bane]

youre probably right tbh, but garrotes doing like 70% more damage than intended which is kinda big, but yeah sins probably very very good in aoe. single target is not that great but its not awful

[balmy condor]

yeh pretty much this

[balmy condor]

the subt/shrouded bug is only around 3.5%ish

[keen mantle]

@silk bane ye the thing is that ppl are calling out subterfuge bug like its a 10% gain overall and shit

while its irrelevant and not noticable at all

[balmy condor]

LMAO

10% OVERALL?

[keen mantle]

so idk why we even talk about this bug

[balmy condor]

bro they're smoking actual crack or what

[keen mantle]

it wont change anything

@balmy condor dude im playing with streamers

and they tell me

in my chat they say assa is bugged thats why it deals that dmg

every key im doing

[balmy condor]

yeah

community is cooked fr

it's a sizeable buff to imp gar

but 10% overall is crazy

[haughty flicker]

Classic twitch chat

[balmy condor]

when gar is only doing like what

12%?

[keen mantle]

Ye but i mean we miss an entire hero talent

[balmy condor]

could you imagine

[keen mantle]

which as you said is around 3%

[silk bane]

yeah thats what i was thinking too.

[balmy condor]

yeah fatal is around 3%

[keen mantle]

so overall if everything gets fixed

its kinda even

maybe a very small loss

so its whatever

[balmy condor]

yeah but the mark is also bugged right

when you apply from capstone

the next generator eats a mark

so the mark is basically 2 stacks, not 3

[hoary remnant]

w00t no and its now fixed btw has been now for more then 24 hours on beta

[balmy condor]

I definitely agree it's pretty close in general

[keen mantle]

and echoing not working with mark

lol

[balmy condor]

like there's some bad

some good

it'll even out

[silk bane]

idk about this one, fatal seems kind bad in keys, it doesnt really last long enough to stack, and if you do x target y min sim, then all targets live for y minutes and get sttacks

maybe dslice is a bit better

either way, surely theyll fix it today so we cna test it

[balmy condor]

yeah surely right

[silk bane]

suuurely

[balmy condor]

I think they buffed fatal quite a bit

but its broken

so

who fucking knows

[silk bane]

they buffed it?

since the change to 15% ap?

does it work with mastery/zodlyck/shiv?

[balmy condor]

the AP mod is markably stronger than the flat damage it was before I'm pretty sure

[silk bane]

i know it works with shiv which is fucking hilariosu

[balmy condor]

just shiv

[primal blaze]

do some rogues use meld/stealth macro or they just hard click them in a sequence?

[balmy condor]

I'm sure some do

[silk bane]

do u remmeber the rppm for it?

[balmy condor]

idk anyone personally that plays nelf though

[primal blaze]

if so can somebody send me the macro

[balmy condor]

think it's 6 or 8 hasted

it's pretty high

8

yeah

[silk bane]

yeah thats insanely low i think

[hoary remnant]

Open Macros shift leftclick on the ability and add them. First meld then stealth

[silk bane]

thats the equivelent of 3 deathstalkers mark pops

in terms of damage

[balmy condor]

yeh maybe

that flat damage

was real bad

idk

no point trying to napkin math it, just gotta wait for fix

[silk bane]

yeah ofc, it was just a copy paste of coral or w/e the trinket was xd

which is surely toady

shooooooooooooooorly

[balmy condor]

ofc yes

[runic hinge]

that's what i mash

works sometimes

[cinder sparrow]

@balmy condor plz dude can u tell me how to setup a pandemic glow up on bleeds in plater auras debuff nameplate, i search it like a maddog since 1h

[balmy condor]

there's a script or a mod or whatever plater calls it

[cinder sparrow]

ah ok i gonna look ty

[balmy condor]

if you can't find it on wago you should be able to just yoink it from someone's plater that uses it

[silk bane]

pretty sure Cev's had it maybe look there

[potent raven]

jundies has it

[balmy condor]

mine has it too

there's plenty

[potent raven]

it glows during pandemic

[balmy condor]

basically ever mfer has pandemic glows

[potent raven]

just like look in the script part or whatever

[cinder sparrow]

but should i can "export" the mod alone and put it into my profile or i have to take entire plater profile ?

[potent raven]

no

u can export it alone

[subtle tundra]

whispyr show me more dungeon slice sims without kb... i need to arrive....

[balmy condor]

I'm not at pc for a while

[subtle tundra]

cook something within 5%

[balmy condor]

did a ton of sims yesterday

done

[subtle tundra]

ahhhh ah

ahhhhhhhhhh

thanks

[balmy condor]

that build from earlier is -2.5%ish from bis

[subtle tundra]

holee

[balmy condor]

but it's insanely cursed

feels like something is wrong

but haven't had time to see exactly what

[subtle tundra]

i dont think theres a single ST talent taken

[balmy condor]

it takes blindside

[silk bane]

HUGE

[subtle tundra]

ST doesnt matter if overall im TOP

[balmy condor]

but I'm very suspicious that it wants 2/2 poison bomb instead of any other capstone

that can't be correct

there's no way you can convince me 2/2 poison bomb is better than like

kb + sudden demise

[haughty flicker]

Poison bomb gaming

[balmy condor]

I mean as long as kingbane is bugged in aoe

you'd be dumb to not play it

[spice surge]

The kingsbane bug isnt in simc though

[runic hinge]

imma play this

[spice surge]

Or atleast im fairly sure its not

[feral mason]

doesnt seem like something that'd make it to live that

but who knows with lizzard these days

[balmy condor]

yeah ofc not I'm just saying

[balmy condor]

the kb bug you mean?

[feral mason]

yer

[spice surge]

We could probably argue it should be added and considered a feature

[balmy condor]

I mean it was live all of season 3

[runic hinge]

it's live rn

[balmy condor]

[feral mason]

[haughty flicker]

Idek what the bug is

[feral mason]

wait as in it went away in s4?

[haughty flicker]

Lmao

[feral mason]

and now its back?

[balmy condor]

no

it's on live in s4 as well

it's been around since 10.2

[feral mason]

oh okay

[runic hinge]

any timee you apply poison in aoe it adds to your kb stacks

[spice surge]

Kb gains a stack when any target gets poisoned, not just the one kingsbane is active on

[feral mason]

explains the absurd numbers kb reaches in aoe then

[haughty flicker]

Oh lmao

[balmy condor]

I mean it doesn't break the cap

it just ramps way faster

[haughty flicker]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

so it's not as wildly crazy as it seems

but yes

it's very good

[feral mason]

yy but on lower keys kb absolutely shredded your main target

always wondered why it seemed like it was faster on aoe than st but guess this explains it

[past forum]

so what i'm hearing is that we have insane funnel

[hoary remnant]

@balmy condor they fixed now also the garrote 5cp bug

[subtle tundra]

kick this guy

[hoary remnant]

They are doing stealth fixes

[balmy condor]

hotfixed?

[hoary remnant]

yeah I mean they hotfixed also subterfuge

yesterday

and now the 5cp thing from garrote

like I am in a dungeon it just changed

[bright cipher]

everytime a server resets i just assume they changed something on the server end.

[balmy condor]

interesting

I'll check bugs again when we get patch notes

but I'll keep it in mind

[subtle tundra]

theres patchy noteeeee? today?

waaaaaaaw

[balmy condor]

I mean I assume so

[bright cipher]

how are you doing whispyr?

[subtle tundra]

i wish i had BETA ACCESS BLIZZARD WHAT THE FUCK?

[drifting cedar]

can't find m+ build for beta in the pins, can someone share pls?

[balmy condor]

doing fine

[subtle drift]

Buy epic edition, easy.

[balmy condor]

trying to relax a bit

lots of sims yesterday

brain is fried

[bright cipher]

happy to hear

[balmy condor]

brain is still on cd

[subtle tundra]

im not a pussy to give money for beta access considering ive paid for the expansion already

[haughty flicker]

[bright cipher]

the beta being for sale did poison the well i think

but i also wouldn't have had acess without it, so i can't complain too much.

[subtle drift]

It's all WoD again

.. was it WoD?

[hearty reef]

Hi whispyr

[royal lantern]

should name it Schmeld

[balmy condor]

imagine not getting beta!

pointlaughing

[balmy condor]

hello

[subtle drift]

Is your accesss provided by wowhead since you're writing guides?

Or can't u say

[bright cipher]

in my case a kind soul gifted to me, but there are people who i think should have absolutely gotten beta and had to buy it =/

[subtle drift]

TBH is the early access thing worse

That's such a shitty (but working) practice

[bright cipher]

oh early acess is way worse yes

[subtle tundra]

maybe if you care to play the game as soon as possible

[balmy condor]

yes

[haughty flicker]

I think people are blowing that WAY out of proportion ngl

[subtle drift]

But we're drifting offtopic, maybe #wow-general ?

[subtle tundra]

i dont give a shit about playing it a bit earlier, ill be done with playing before hc is out

[haughty flicker]

Pay extra to sit in queue and dc a few days earlier

[potent raven]

guys keep the chat assassination friendly

[balmy condor]

this is assassination friendly

offtopic 2

[haughty flicker]

[bright cipher]

i have been curious about the darmoon embelishments

https://i.imgur.com/4XG3esR.png

[spice surge]

The calm before the storm
For later on tonight when they end up nerfing assa aoe and people come here freaking out

[potent raven]

yeah cant let melees be good

[bright cipher]

i call wow balance bipolarity syndrome , the state between dooming and hyping

[spice surge]

Embellishments all seem unfinished so very hard to tell

[bright cipher]

yeah those in particular seems to be a later addition

[subtle tundra]

there has been hype for tww?

[fleet pagoda]

I just wish to be omnipotent

[spice surge]

New cinematic was kinda hype, otherwise its been kinda mid

[distant plinth]

Tww hype? Super hyped for a few passives bro

[subtle tundra]

only thing i understood is that xalatath is a BADDIE

[spice surge]

Ye but like the new silken lining buffs give noticeably LESS stats than the dragonflight s4 one did

Its all janky

[haughty flicker]

I liked knaifu better as a knife

[spice surge]

Like 525 bsl in prepatch gives ~1.2k mastery, a 602 of the new crit one is 750 crit

[bright cipher]

yeah, embelishments are definetly lower power

[spice surge]

Idk why they felt like 1.5% embellishments was too powerful and it should be like 0.5% instead

They were already kinda whatever

But hopefully its just unfinished and will be tuned

[bright cipher]

only logic i can think of them is like if Hero Talents are eating 30% of your overall pie, maybe making embelishments being lower % would make the feeling of "random bullshit procs go" being a significant part of your overall less intense

but then they printed eranog ring 2.0

so that don't make sense

[lethal wadi]

Hello guys One question tho i dont get it.
Finish on 5+ cp. Remember that we have a max of 7 now

it means you have to finish like when you are at 6 cp and 7cp

[balmy condor]

correct

no

5,6,7

[runic hinge]

Right so finish on 5 6 and 7

[lethal wadi]

or u can go for 5cp

Oh so 5cp is fine?

[balmy condor]

yes

[lethal wadi]

i tought i have to push into 6 nd 7

Thanks ❤️

[balmy condor]

5+ is 5 or more

[lethal wadi]

Got ittt

[lime crypt]

as things stand now

what rogue spec is gonna be it in tww?

pleasedontsaysubpleasedontsaysubpleasedontsaysubpleasedontsaysub

🤞

[balmy condor]

as things stand now it's pointless to answer that question

[lime crypt]

well do you think they will buffing stuff by a huge margin since its not even a month till tww release

[haughty flicker]

Need a bot command that randomly chooses one of the three

[balmy condor]

yes

we literally just got a 15% buff last week

[runic hinge]

Didn’t we just get huge buffs last week

Oh god I’m so slow

[lethal wadi]

we got buffs again few days ago i guess

[balmy condor]

a week ago yes

also even if they aren't buffing stuff by "a huge margin"

there's an insane amount of bugs

[green magnet]

a month is a long time to just not do tuning that needs to be done when all they will be doing is tuning and bug fixing.

[balmy condor]

that are affecting dps

[bright cipher]

they will be doing some huge buffs and nerfs

but i think, priority is probably on having everything ironed out and working by release

[haughty flicker]

Surely everything will be working by release

[runic hinge]

[hidden herald]

Surelyyyy

Most buggy realise ever inc

[lime crypt]

is it worth getting back into wow now btw?

[hidden herald]

Release*

[strange python]

Do you feel the urge to play it?

Then yes

Do you not?

Then no

[lime crypt]

well i checked outlaw and got chronically depressed from the state its in rn

i do have an urge to play tho ye

[runic hinge]

Did you play wod?

Not sure that can be topped

[hollow river]

i'm hearing subterfuge/stance bar bug is fixed?

[midnight mist]

careful now

not completly

if you care about outlaw at least

[haughty flicker]

Ok so it’s fixed

Pog

[royal lantern]

"wow, they really HATE rogue, im going (insert a mixture of mage/warlock/dk cus DK is kinda strong rn), its unplayable bad"

[haughty flicker]

[midnight mist]

[hollow river]

-# (no one does)

[midnight mist]

thats fine then

[hollow river]

i'm joking

i do

[midnight mist]

(dispatches from crackshot dont work when its subterfuge gained from steatlh)

[hollow river]

the main thing though is that stealth abilities were not usable

[midnight mist]

ye for sure

that works fine now

[hollow river]

all the outlaw gobbledeegook

is less harmful to pvp at least

[midnight mist]

btw you were asking about outlaw bugs last time

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1266690703644426270

[hollow river]

yeah i saw the updated list

[midnight mist]

made a thread here cause i was starting to forget them

[hollow river]

going to fix my pin in a sec

[hollow river]

it's too much

i can't update my pin because the outlaw bug list is too long

[midnight mist]

yes

[hollow river]

1600 characters

[midnight mist]

well no its 5652 characters right

characters over i mean

[haughty flicker]

1600 characters over the limit

The message is 5652 total

[hearty reef]

bro has high apm reading

[marble hemlock]

would longer arms help?

[midnight mist]

it says make your message 5652 characters shorters no ?

[hollow river]

nah 5600 total with assa, sub and outlaw in 1 message

no

[midnight mist]

of 5652 hm

mb

[haughty flicker]

"your message of 5652"

[midnight mist]

weird wording

[haughty flicker]

its a bit awkward to read

[hollow river]

all those proprietary emotes

[midnight mist]

you want the servers

[hollow river]

i already deleted them

[midnight mist]

its solo and i, we have server banks

for outlaw emotes

[hollow river]

only have like 7 days of nitro left

[midnight mist]

[hollow river]

so idk if the emotes would stay in the message

[midnight mist]

unlucky

you dont get the coins

[midnight mist]

ye they would

[hollow river]

ah then sure i'm down

the invites

[ripe rapids]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[reef wadi]

Whats the current Assas build for beta

m+

[devout mist]

the bug abusing one? or the normal one?

[reef wadi]

bug abusing of course

the fun one

[devout mist]

there is no be all end all build, but u can start off this

[flint marsh]

hey does mystic touch affect our bleeds or are they their own thing?

[devout mist]

personally i like the funny coin

but deathstalker is an option aswell

[grand trail]

when i play coin i feel like doing nothing 😄

[devout mist]

thats cuz u dont have it in the middle of your screen

i see number go up

[grand trail]

i had 15 stacker yesterday

[devout mist]

dopamine rushers through

[spice surge]

Yes bleeds to physical damage and thus get buffed by mystic touch

[devout mist]

do u rly play fatebound if u dont refuse to press finishers so your CB comes up so u can keep your 18 stacker

[potent raven]

what do u even bind ur cb to

[devout mist]

envenom

[spice surge]

Either its own button or macro it to literally everything

[devout mist]

only envenom guarantees the flips

so dont mistake it

[spice surge]

You cant

[grand trail]

idk im not fan of fatebound so far but if its go to hero talents than be it

[past forum]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-starwars-underestimate-gif-7915876

[runic hinge]

Only applies means you can just hit it whenever

[devout mist]

i mean after u press your first CB envenom

dont rupture or some shit

cuz u might lose the funny coin

[potent raven]

seems fun

[spice surge]

It doesnt matter

CB only works on envenom

[potent raven]

w/ 2 vanishes u have a free vanish chrage for ic

and 1 for garrote during dm

[spice surge]

Idk vanish charge is almost completely uselesss

Even with the subterfuge bug you'd better of to run 2x subterfuge+1 lethality, but not even sure thats worth it compared to just ER

[potent raven]

theres nothing else to take besides vanish charge basically

[grand trail]

sometimes it come handy the second charge

[devout mist]

waiting for ER to work on dankest night

they'll surely fix it today right?

[potent raven]

i assume st is absolutely horrendous with that build too kek

[spice surge]

In a 30 minute key you get one or two extra vanishes VS almost 40 casts of ER

[potent raven]

indeed but gotta bugabuse

[spice surge]

Even with the bug

Still not great

[grand trail]

there is downtime in keys when vanish keep charging

[spice surge]

Ye

Hence 2

Instead of 1

[grand trail]

do you play keys eleem on beta?

becasue ER feel very horrible with DS

[potent raven]

what 2nd trinket do u use

pvp trinket macro'd to kingsbane and

then whatever u want?

[grand trail]

its like shooting yourself to leg playing ER with DS

[potent raven]

cuz these trinkets aint that great

[spice surge]

its treacherous transmitter + passive

Enjoy

[grand trail]

i play pvp you have it for every kb

i cba with that transmitter minigame

[spice surge]

pvp trinket is awful

But sure

[potent raven]

1:30

[spice surge]

Just hold for 2 min

[potent raven]

what a weird choice

yup

[grand trail]

people play pvp trinket in keys or that one from grim batol

did not see anyone play transmitter so far

[spice surge]

People play 2x vanishes too

So

Famous streamer also frequently loses his mark on pure ST bosses

[potent raven]

u only have to catch that thing w/ this trinket

[spice surge]

Because he just never uses a 7cp envenom

[balmy condor]

do people actually play pvp trinket

that's so troll lmao

[spice surge]

Yes

[potent raven]

its 7k agil for nothing

[grand trail]

most of do

[balmy condor]

pvp trinket sucks though

[potent raven]

and its 1m good w/ kb

[balmy condor]

why would you do that

like you could just play

something else

[grand trail]

there is only transmiter

[potent raven]

transmitter i suppose is the only option besides pvp trink

[devout mist]

Whats the 1.5s cast time one called again

[marble hemlock]

the extra HP on use is really useful

[balmy condor]

well better get used to it buddy

[potent raven]

witherbarks branch vibes

[balmy condor]

cause we sure as hell aren't playing pvp trinket

you'd be a clown if you played pvp on live

[grand trail]

what can you do

[potent raven]

i odnt disagree w/ that

i mean im sure there will be other stuff to play

on live

[balmy condor]

make smarter decisions

[potent raven]

rn the options are just limited

lmao

[runic hinge]

[balmy condor]

true

[grand trail]

how is that grimbatol trinket

mastery agi

[potent raven]

whats it called exactly

[balmy condor]

behind transmitter but probably playable as an easy option

[devout mist]

As long as we dont play the branch copy cat again im fine

[grand trail]

its behind on same ilvl too?

thats kinda sad

[balmy condor]

no sapp it's behind on higher ilvl because I'm purposely misleading you by omitting that information

of course same item level

[potent raven]

branch was painful

on shit like smolderon

catching 20 orbs

[devout mist]

May have stood in fire more than once cuz of it

[grand trail]

idk branch was kinda ok as it was same every time

but this give you one of random effect

[devout mist]

Id make a council of blood refference but i forgot the voice lines

[grand trail]

and if you get the "catch ball" it can spawn pretty far and lead you in frontal or stuff

i played transmitter on raid testing

[potent raven]

transmitters only catching 1 orb tho so its not that bad

[grand trail]

yeah but in raid it was spawning sometimes pretty far and going away from you 😄

in random direction

[potent raven]

i wonder about this one

[balmy condor]

that's a delve trinket ain't it

[grand trail]

all those weird ones are delves no

[unborn wharf]

how would you go about picking up bone spike here for m+ (and is it at all competitive or nah)

[spice surge]

M+ builds are still a bit up in the air, a lot of stuff seems good'

Assa is a mickey mouse spec lets you pick whatever talents you want in the bottom section and be alright

[unborn wharf]

lol

[balmy condor]

You’d probably drop master assassin for doomblade and then drop arterial or sudden demise for bone spike

But yeah like eleem said

Fucking tree is a mess

Everything and nothing is good

[spice surge]

But if youre dropping arterial you could prob drop double shiv too

[balmy condor]

All at the same time

[unborn wharf]

!! double shiv drop

[balmy condor]

yeh that's a reasonable drop too

master assassin sucks though

[unborn wharf]

the cook is incredible

[balmy condor]

that's going for sure

[balmy condor]

do you want to see a real build

that dungeonslice spit at me

which is within about 2.5%

[unborn wharf]

ruh oh

[balmy condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1083360651394678784/1270304053737558016/image.png?ex=66b3df17&is=66b28d97&hm=f83afb102a5752e09793070a6c343447aeaabd96a37db335e5d7092dfd4211e3&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=663&height=718

does it burn

[past forum]

man i just really wish they'd swap doomblade and bone spike

[unborn wharf]

AYO

[balmy condor]

do your eyes water

[unborn wharf]

BRO ITS JUST GONE

o7 kingsbane

[balmy condor]

allergic to capstones

[unborn wharf]

hows single target looking in this build im curious

[spice surge]

And you thought i was memeing with the mickeymouse stuff

[balmy condor]

pretty horrid

[spice surge]

Awful

[subtle kiln]

Banger build

[unborn wharf]

pure aoe sim build lol?

[primal blaze]

so coldblood is macroed to KB?

[unborn wharf]

just do so much aoe that your ST doesnt matter on the dslice sims?

[subtle kiln]

No sectech

[spice surge]

If you run the fatebound talent it can be macroed to literally anything

[primal blaze]

im talking about here in prepatch

[subtle kiln]

Run ER

but legit no one cares about prepatch so play and macro it wherever.

[devout mist]

macro it to forward movement

[subtle kiln]

No that one I care about. Back peddle only.

[balmy condor]

a more standard build on 2 min 1 target, which is the boss at the start of dungeonslice is around 990ish

[royal lantern]

what the fuck

[balmy condor]

the shitter build is 920

so like an 8% drop

[unborn wharf]

jesus christ

[balmy condor]

gorgeous damage breakdown

oh yeah

[unborn wharf]

why is there

[balmy condor]

fok single target btw

[unborn wharf]

a fan of knives

jesus

[balmy condor]

yeh that's uh

yeah

[unborn wharf]

get away from the kitchen

[balmy condor]

it's definitely a build

[unborn wharf]

so for this is your main caustic damage coming from... poison bomb?

[balmy condor]

oh good heavens no

poison bomb sucks

[unborn wharf]

then what even

[balmy condor]

it's just deathstalker envenoms

[unborn wharf]

oh very cool

am i shadow dance pilled i thought majority of caustic was due to kingsbane

damn deathstalker envenom goes crazy

[balmy condor]

yes

kingsbane is good but like if it's doing lets say 7% of your damage in a key

the most it could do caustic wise is a bit over 3%

but yeh

envenom

good button

[storm forum]

when are we getting CT in single target again?

[unborn wharf]

so with no kingsbane do you just shiv when 2 charges are up / after deathmark? MYEYES

[balmy condor]

neveer