yeah steve the janitor caused this
#assassination
haughty flicker
normal mist
It's a take
haughty flicker
i fucking hate steve
slim hamlet
I mean, as far as I know, at least with fatebound you would play basically exactly the same as you do now right?
Besides m+ with SBS maybe
oak eagle
and then when we get our rework, we will be nerfed due to us getting more external buffs again instead of nerfing those external buffs
slim hamlet
and idk about you guys but I like current assa
balmy condor
I enjoy delves
normal mist
Same
gusty mirage
I blame myself
slim hamlet
I enjoy delves
Demon take
slim hamlet
I have never been more bored than watching delves
tropic cedar
is the idea with the 2nd shiv in each set to not let it drop or to reapply as soon as it drops? what should i be aiming for?
gusty mirage
imagine trying to have a serious conversation with aurhrorhrorhorhrohrorahora
spice hawk
I enjoy delves
I do too honestly. I was more speaking of the overwhelming majority of players that don't spend time in discords
normal mist
The same people hating on devs
fallen arch
Germany is affecting @balmy condors judgement
gusty mirage
slim hamlet
"than watching delves"
I aint paying premium omega price for beta
aint fucking happening
balmy condor
is the idea with the 2nd shiv in each set to not let it drop or to reapply as so...
to fully cover kingsbane
tropic cedar
ty
slim hamlet
Wait
spice hawk
I aint paying premium omega price for beta
tbf I paid for early access and got Beta as a freebie XD
oak eagle
An actual assa question in <#316923750073499648>
kekw
spice hawk
Following up with that, actually. Are we vanishing during KB to re-up a bigger Garrote?
slim hamlet
I thought we would use it with DM again without SD now
gusty mirage
well kingsbane is 1 minute, and DM is two minutes
balmy condor
Following up with that, actually. Are we vanishing during KB to re-up a bigger ...
vanish isn't really attached to any specific thing other than deathmark, you just cast it to have improved garrote for the duration of it
slim hamlet
so every other kingsbane you have DM
Yea, I thought he was talking MA
spice hawk
vanish isn't really attached to any specific thing other than deathmark, you jus...
So it's more to align with Deathmark. Got it.
slim hamlet
Like at the end
gusty mirage
MA stinky
gusty mirage
I would say that, how did you know
balmy condor
So it's more to align with Deathmark. Got it.
2x the bleed make vanish 2x as strong, math is checking out
slim hamlet
I would say that, how did you know
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree
or something like that
slim hamlet
They do actually say that
tropic cedar
beat off to mages and spriests? 
slim hamlet
I've heard it at least once now
gusty mirage
beat off to mages and spriests? <:HUH:1021779513245433886>
bonus points if you cry while doing it
willow grotto
slim hamlet
This is crazy work
tropic cedar
spice hawk
Gotta use the opposite hand
slim hamlet
wat
gusty mirage
idk that was a pretty straight forward sentence
if you're normally a righty, use your left, if you're normally a lefty, use your right
slim hamlet
Wait you guys don't use your feet?
normal mist
Wait you guys have feet?
slim hamlet
Wait
slim hamlet
What
gusty mirage
Wait you guys have feet?
oak eagle
well yeah
slim hamlet
How did we end up like this
oak eagle
the other chats would be even more degen
slim hamlet
How did all poor souls end up in the same spec
gusty mirage
How did we end up like this
would you rather be discussing sepsis like sub chat?
gusty mirage
this entire discord's been straight cooked for the last 4 months
lmao
it aint just assa bud
oak eagle
i wish people could fix me
slim hamlet
I am that hologram woman from bladerunner fr
oak eagle
but i still play rogue
gusty mirage
rogues 🤝 mentally ill
oak eagle
^
spice hawk
By this discord's standards, I am unfixable, because I chose to play rogue 2 weeks ago (moving off Warlock and Evoker)
slim hamlet
wow players 🤝 mentally ill
gusty mirage
@spice spire load up the infamous quote when I flamed my mage in 9.0
slim hamlet
By this discord's standards, I am unfixable, because I chose to play rogue 2 wee...
That is suicide
tropic cedar
mentally ill? i was told it was just ADHD 
oak eagle
By this discord's standards, I am unfixable, because I chose to play rogue 2 wee...
why in hell would you do that
slim hamlet
Does ADHD count as mentally ill?
spice hawk
We need one for raid, and I enjoy rogues
oak eagle
Warlock looks strong and Evokers are just a cheat code
fair
i offered to switch to sham for my guild
royal lantern
Warlock looks strong and Evokers are just a cheat code
Evokers or aug
oak eagle
but no one else wants to play rogue
gusty mirage
damn quake's busy
oak eagle
Evokers or aug
sorry yeah aug
spice hawk
I'm going to have alts for keys, so it's not like I'm one-tricking
slim hamlet
but no one else wants to play rogue
They understand
limber lion
The classic
royal lantern
cus like
Devestation is cool, and preservation is the best desinged healer in the game atm
its just aug that is a giant mistake
and needs alt+f4 asap
gusty mirage
remember friends, always flame your mages into quitting the game and going back to classic
slim hamlet
If pres wasn't poopoo range it would be best designed
gusty mirage
it's the melee way
slim hamlet
Until then disc is easy choice best healer
spice hawk
its just aug that is a giant mistake
I'm in the minority that REALLY enjoys playing Aug though lmfao
oak eagle
They understand
its also that im somewhat decent at the class and no one would be able to do what i do
earnest remnant
remember friends, always flame your mages into quitting the game and going back ...
what if i like my guilds mages?
gusty mirage
aug may be fun, but aug also came after people were bitching about externals for over 2 years
royal lantern
what if i like my guilds mages?
class traitor
slim hamlet
what if i like my guilds mages?
class traitor
tropic cedar
what if i like my guilds mages?
get help
spice hawk
Aug fun in m+, peepeeing on myself in raid
I'm a terrorist that enjoys the minmaxing of "make sure to buff correct people every 30 seconds"
gusty mirage
and blizzard went "oh we should make a spec that's all externals"
royal lantern
but its ok cus a friend of stealthi is a friend of my
spice hawk
Even if I'm not the best at it, it's fun
earnest remnant
they arent internet cry babies like 95% of a certain channel here
oak eagle
what if i like my guilds mages?
traitor.
gusty mirage
what if i like my guilds mages?
well you also like me, so your choice of who you decide to befriend is already sus af
slim hamlet
I'm a terrorist that enjoys the minmaxing of "make sure to buff correct people e...
I do like that too, until I realised that what I planned doesn't happen because people randomly hold CDs
slim hamlet
happens 100% of the time in m+
spice hawk
I do like that too, until I realised that what I planned doesn't happen because ...
LMFAO this part can get annoying. At least on Farm. Prog is pretty determined.
slim hamlet
they arent internet cry babies like 95% of a certain channel here
can't tell if you're talking about us or outlaw
spice hawk
happens 100% of the time in m+
Also, I don't pug, so my group is in comms so we plan it out in keys
normal mist
Both
royal lantern
Both
slim hamlet
true
tropic cedar
nah its def outlaw 
slim hamlet
How are sub people in the same channel as assa and outlaw people
Truly the only mentally well ones
royal lantern
Truly the only mentally well ones
what
normal mist
Sub players are goated
slim hamlet
fr
normal mist
They legit have my respect
oak eagle
im here, because i play all 3 specs
oak eagle
i just play which is best in both keys and raid
slim hamlet
im here, because i play all 3 specs
NOOOO, YOU CAN ONLY CHOOSE ONE
normal mist
No cap
slim hamlet
royal lantern
Sub players are goated
all 6 of them that dont jump the second Sub is not giga bis 
normal mist
all 6 of them that dont jump the second Sub is not giga bis <:kekdog:90720703775...
XD
earnest remnant
im so mentally well
tawny junco
In prepatch if SBS is alreaedy on the target, in which case do we prefer using SBS over mutilate?
earnest remnant
isnt sbs passive?
oak eagle
isnt SBS passive now?
slim hamlet
Isn't sbs passive?
normal mist
Yes
slim hamlet
lol
oak eagle
LMAO
tawny junco
Isn't sbs passive?
slim hamlet
Yea
normal mist
Yes it is
normal mist
Np king
slim hamlet
Any other questions?
tawny junco
Comin back from s2, I guess I need to read more
normal mist
You do
tawny junco
Any other questions?
Will you marry me?
slim hamlet
Also I like how all of us weren't sure
normal mist
As most of us
slim hamlet
Will you marry me?
normal mist
Damn
limber lion
sbs is passive
normal mist
That was quick
oak eagle
love at first sight
slim hamlet
fr ong fr
spice hawk
Ravenholdt Discord season of 90 day fiance
normal mist
Married at first sight
gusty mirage
damn that's kinda wholesome
spice hawk
Divorced at second sight
normal mist
Married at first sight
Name of the show my gf is forcing me to see
limber lion
I need to make breakfast, but that means that I need to do the dishes first
And I'm starving
limber lion
?
spice hawk
5 second rule!
royal lantern
I need to make breakfast, but that means that I need to do the dishes first
that is the realest shit i saw this week
gusty mirage
I need to make breakfast, but that means that I need to do the dishes first
how tf are you pre-goblining poe
slim hamlet
Also didn't cev say he would make breakfast like 2 hours ago
placid adder
Yall see our boys casual and zero crankin
earnest remnant
watching wow content in this economy?
slim hamlet
^
placid adder
Sometimes you just gotta enjoy it
prisma monolithBOT
Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back
- If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
- Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
- Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
- With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use
opal geyser
Hey maybe a dumb question but with deathstalker will the gameplay loop be centered around holding cooldowns for that first empowered envenom and trying to get in a 2nd/3rd while CDs are running?
strange python
Hey im one of those even have a pretty certificate from my doctor thats says Paranoid schizophrenic
spice spire
Hey im one of those even have a pretty certificate from my doctor thats says Par...
Actual diagnosis or undifferentiated and they just lumped into the most common?
I’m not above making it real
kindred breach
I mean wtf are they doing with lingering darkness man
strange python
Actual diagnosis or undifferentiated and they just lumped into the most common?
o im 100% for real
kindred breach
Why
slim hamlet
I mean wtf are they doing with lingering darkness man
what do you mean
kindred breach
Why buffing such a horrible talent
spice spire
Damn I hope your medication forever works for you - schizophrenia is very scary even as a simulation. Can’t imagine homie.
slim hamlet
Why wouldnt they buff a horrible talent
spice spire
Why buffing such a horrible talent
To make less horrible
If talent bad talent buff to be good 
haughty flicker
slim hamlet
What we cooking
spice spire
What we cooking
Nothing just ate the best breakfast burrito I’ve ever made tho so ama
slim hamlet
How you make your dressing
And don't you dare tell me you take it natty with no lube
kindred breach
Your right what was i thinking about
desert cove
Nothing just ate the best breakfast burrito I’ve ever made tho so ama
question, and I'll be judging you for this, do you seal your burrito by searing the fold in a pan
like the bottom fold I mean
desert cove
good
slim hamlet
See, this is why I stopped making burritos, too many sweats
spice spire
It was also a double tortilla
desert cove
listen I've known some freaks in my time
spice spire
So like
If I don’t
That shit is going everywhere
Because I have to cool > reheat since it was a prepped one
slim hamlet
The hottest of them all
desert cove
outlaw tears?
slim hamlet
a 100% crit KB with PI and DM in execute
spice spire
what kind of hot sauce do you add to it?
Tapatio- if it’s at work I try to keep it mild
desert cove
tapatio is solid, I'm personally a cholula kind of guy
slim hamlet
You guys making words up, thinking we won't notice
normal mist
True
desert cove
spice spire
Eh. It’s vinegary to me, I like the green tho. If it’s at home I’ll do a whiskey smoked ghost or something
But I can’t have fire coming out of me at work
desert cove
I like the more vinegary taste to it, as I also drink kombucha so it fits
spice spire
Nah I will eat hot as fuck food and sweat everywhere
The office bathroom is right next to head of surgical supplies and people are in and out all day.
I cannot use that until 4pm. So we stick with mild
I love kombucha and chalula is good I just find other things better
glacial lantern
Does serrated contribute to energy?
slim hamlet
With what?
desert cove
no, just gives cp refund iirc
glacial lantern
I see
slim hamlet
Venomous Wounds is specifically Garrote and Rupture
normal mist
No one talked for 21 minutes, y'all waiting for energy or something?
vestal wren
just take a sip of your 
, instant energy.
normal mist
ionic matrix
I may be late to the party, but it seems like dropping ER for 1 point in subterfuge might be really good in m+ if you are getting broken out before stealth goes to ticking aoe damage or something very often.
I havent played a lot of sin m+ so may be completely wrong
not sure how often that becomes a problem
limber lion
I may be late to the party, but it seems like dropping ER for 1 point in subterf...
Subterfuge for us does nothing honestly.
You don't really get thrown out of stealth that much
Improved Garrote works for 6s even without Subterfuge
Same as IC
We don't need Subterfuge to function whatsoever
ionic matrix
do you lose the extra cp generation from shrouded?
not that it really matter
would rather have ER
vestal wren
nope, you essentially only get to use ambush
limber lion
No, Shrouded works as well
vestal wren
as a "benefit", and probably don't want to use ambush over mut
ionic matrix
yeah, def not worth
limber lion
But yeah, you shouldn't get thrown out of stealth that much. Usually ticking dots like corrupting rage, won't take you out of stealth
There are some bugs and effects that might, like the Sark cloak
But those are gone the next patch anyways
We're chilling
opal geyser
as a "benefit", and probably don't want to use ambush over mut
Is this just because ambush wouldn't apply caustic spatter or something
(Not that I'm running subterfuge just curious about this statement)
limber lion
it does
Ambush just numerically is worse
Mutilate does so much more. Applies poisons better, gives more cp
vestal wren
mut is also more overloaded, there isn't that much additional things you get from using ambush
limber lion
Ambush can be better here and there and only when played together with Improved Ambush
But Mutilate is kinda king
opal geyser
Oh. I thought we're running improved ambush and blindside like almost all the time atm
slate crown
Blindside is an energy talent
opal geyser
At least I was running it for keys instead of the 4x poison build
autumn valve
Hi there, what do you think of the rogue assa buff??
strange python
Shirley more will come
soft shale
anyone wanna bet we get some more doubles and triples
although i wonder what number will be the final one on fatal intent
limber lion
At least I was running it for keys instead of the 4x poison build
Yeah we run Blindside always, no exceptions really
Improved Ambush however doesn't go hand in hand with Blindside
But they did nerf Tight Spender recently, which is why Improved Ambush is starting to come up again
The past 2 seasons we have kinda only played Tight Spender
slim hamlet
No one talked for 21 minutes, y'all waiting for energy or something?
!pooling
prisma monolithBOT
Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back
- If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
- Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
- Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
- With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use
rare jackal
was mutilate better during shadow dance in season 3 ? 🤔
limber lion
If you played Tight Spender, yes
slim hamlet
was mutilate better during shadow dance in season 3 ? 🤔
Was better but more RNG
Right?
rare jackal
huh im a noob then
opal geyser
I was still very new at that point and ran improved ambush with blindside almost all the time
limber lion
It went from "Mutilate during Zoldyck Kingsbane" to "just Mutilate always whatever"
slim hamlet
huh im a noob then
I mean it's insanely minor
limber lion
I was still very new at that point and ran improved ambush with blindside almost...
No biggies, not a massive loss
slim hamlet
Idk the % but like nothing
limber lion
Less than 1%
slim hamlet
I was expecting like 0.2%
slim hamlet
I was still very new at that point and ran improved ambush with blindside almost...
That simmed better for me most of the time too
limber lion
It was around 0.4-0.6% ish iirc
limber lion
It's a bit difficult to say because changing the talents also means changing the rotation and changing enchants/gems
Anyways small stuff
Improved Ambush good now
Or rather, Tight Spender not as good anymore
slim hamlet
I like when the "improved" generator you only get in specific scenarios is actually better
I thought tight spender would be better when we got to a new expac with less stats
Did it get changed or just don't need as much energy?
opal geyser
I've noticed at times I'm getting a ridiculous amount of blindside procs below 35%, like way more than I would expect. Probably just anecdotal but not sure whats causing it compared to s4
limber lion
I've noticed at times I'm getting a ridiculous amount of blindside procs below 3...
Not the first time I've heard it. A lot of people say that
But I think I heard the same thing in S4 as well
Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't I guess
slim hamlet
I've noticed at times I'm getting a ridiculous amount of blindside procs below 3...
Doesn't blindside have execute?
limber lion
Yes
slim hamlet
I am confused then
limber lion
But people are saying they get Blindside procs with every other hit
opal geyser
Yes but just anecdotally its proccing like 70% of the time in execute range
limber lion
Like much more often than what's said on the tooltip
slim hamlet
Yea
Maybe they stealth buffed it back to what it was
a little oopsie from the intern
opal geyser
I was wondering if ambush was doing the double hit like mutilate was and each hit had a 35% chance or something
slim hamlet
Since they were goofing around with the ambush stuff or whatever it was
slim hamlet
I was wondering if ambush was doing the double hit like mutilate was and each hi...
Only 1 way to find out, time to hit a dummy 10k times like we did with sub tier set in 10.2ptr
vast pond
Crazy how much prepatch has thrown off my stat weights. I've gained so much dps
slim hamlet
Hi dieslow this is friend
opal geyser
Well we've also just gained bonus secondary stats on every piece of armor
thorn fjord
Ele sham and arms war are bussin rn
limber lion
Crazy how much prepatch has thrown off my stat weights. I've gained so much dps
the dreaded words
not the stat weights
slim hamlet
Stat weights on assa rogue
Assa has to be the least affected by stats in the game right?
limber lion
The reason people are doing big damage now
Is because Assassination was aurabuffed by like 42%
limber lion
not because of stat weights
slim hamlet
Must be the stats
limber lion
lol
slim hamlet
I’m sitting at 94% mastery
Demon mode
thorn fjord
96 with TF
subtle tundra
idk we raided with 11 people, killed 6 mythic bosses
limber lion
I have never known what my stats look like
slim hamlet
The only way to get KB back to it's glory
slim hamlet
2000% mastery
subtle tundra
prepatch is a joke
thorn fjord
I just look to make sure I have all buffs up etc
slim hamlet
I feel like crit is the only one you feel
thorn fjord
I tend to forget things or fuck up lol
slim hamlet
And vers specifically in dungeons
limber lion
I just look to make sure I have all buffs up etc
You look at your stats to do that?
Like what are you looking for there
thorn fjord
Numbers being off
slim hamlet
What if he just likes looking at it
thorn fjord
Easier than sifting through the billion buffs at the top right of the screen
slim hamlet
Is this a crime in 2024?
limber lion
But like what buffs
slim hamlet
Easier than sifting through the billion buffs at the top right of the screen
or just get a wa to tell you
limber lion
What buffs are we talking about
limber lion
Easier than sifting through the billion buffs at the top right of the screen
Right, the easiest way is to just get a weakaura that tells you that
thorn fjord
Raid buffs, flask and runes
limber lion
I never have to look at that
limber lion
Because when the raid leader slams a ready check, you get a massive notification in the middle of your screen
slim hamlet
Bro is playing in VR with a steering wheel
limber lion
that has everything in grey
then you go
oopsie daisy
flask, food, runes, slam
I think it's a BigWigs feature
or something else
slim hamlet
Yea
runic hinge
Mrt
thorn fjord
Are you making fun of my OCD?
slim hamlet
Definitely a thing integrated
limber lion
mrt right
thorn fjord
Yeah mrt
slim hamlet
yea it might be mrt
limber lion
Are you making fun of my OCD? <:kekdog:907207037757296710>
Sure but what happens if you get a new piece of gear
and suddenly all the stats are completely different
then you can't tell either way
slim hamlet
He studies it for an hour to make sure it's imprinted
thorn fjord
Lolol
gusty mirage
I’m sitting at 94% mastery
why don't you sit on deez nuts bud
thorn fjord
PRESENT THEM PAL
thorn fjord
😂
thorn fjord
He needs some deez
cloud basin
How does the tuning feel for Deathstalker? I don't have beta access to test
limber lion
But feels pretty shit to play
thorn fjord
But feels pretty shit to play
What’s the play loop
slim hamlet
Hit enemy -> profit
thorn fjord
Ive seen a number of people saying the play style blows for DS
Not sure what it is tho haven’t looked
gusty mirage
Hit enemy -> profit
opal geyser
Open with ambush, rest of the rotation identicle?
slim hamlet
Ive seen a number of people saying the play style blows for DS
To me everything they have explained sounds like a skill oasis
fr ong fr
thorn fjord
Hmm
No rush in figuring it out now anyway… stuff is bound to change
For my peanut sized brain anyway
gusty mirage
For my peanut sized brain anyway
fleet pagoda
I just hope they can make it work with hypercharged combo points so we don't have to skirt around them
slim hamlet
So like, should I actually resub or should I take the chance I have and actually just not play
But the void beckons
thorn fjord
Only reason I’m continuing to play is my guild
I’d miss the homies too much if I stopped
slim hamlet
I am likely gonna have to find a new one
fleet pagoda
the void kekw's
thorn fjord
Uhdk angle surely
slim hamlet
DK is definitely the most intriguing dps spec besides assa
But I feel like if I don't play assa I just don't raid
and if I don't raid I just don't play
fleet pagoda
just become an RPer. ezpz
slim hamlet
Sorry I only RP in helldivers 2
You will find me fighting for democracy for real in there tho
thorn fjord
and if I don't raid I just don't play
Same
haughty flicker
Ye my guild decided to not raid so the chances of me playing tww plummeted lmao
If I’m not raiding I’m not playing wow
slim hamlet
Just find new one
thorn fjord
M+ gets boring quick… I’ll push past 2500 then just not care unless I need gear
slim hamlet
I only stop playing m+ once finding groups gets too hard because I still pug 95% of my keys
Having the raid also breaks up the flow of doing that over and over again, along with ofc having extra loot to make pushing easier
thorn fjord
PVP angle maybe?
slim hamlet
Hell the fuck no
thorn fjord
Been wanting to get back in to arenas also.. haven’t done so since bfa
slim hamlet
PVP is reserved for really good tmogs or earth ele legendary shaman in SL
PVP is fun as healer, but I only like disc right now, which is not fun in PVP
thorn fjord
Interesting
slim hamlet
I know disc is popular to play in pvp but I just dislike it a lot
rsham and rdrood are my goats tho
hollow phoenix
Is SBS bugged on prepatch? I dont see it on my spellbook and my macro isnt working either
limber dagger
how is rogue looking in TWW? ive heard a lot of people dooming about it..
limber lion
Sin looks the same
Fatebound entirely passive
Deathstalker a bit annoying to play with, but super strong
limber dagger
Same as in, quite good?
limber dagger
do you know about the other specs aswell?
limber lion
Outlaw has seen the most changes. Sub has seen some, but not that many. I think it's best if you check out their respective channels and the pins there
limber dagger
thank you!
limber lion
np!
shut lotus
!wa
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glad lark
hey guys, is getting a second vanish not worth it at all, haven't played rogue in a while. Just checking out the talents here
spice surge
You already have improved garrotes for your deathmark
So the only thing an extra vanish charge gets you (mind you it costs 4 points to get it) is some extra imp garrote uptime outside of cds
Which is very very unimpressive
glad lark
Yea that makes sense, thank you
potent raven
anyone ever heard of this fella. lol
balmy condor
Yeah I wonder
limber lion
balmy condor
Deathstalker a bit annoying to play with, but super strong
Also I just ran a mists
Fun fact
When the first boss tree guy swaps to friendly
If you have a mark on him
It poofs
And you lose a hero talent tree for 2 minutes
gusty mirage
lmfao
balmy condor
Deathstalker a bit annoying to play with, but super strong
Also I just ran a necrotic wake
Fun fact
main solar
Peak class design
limber lion
gonezo right
balmy condor
And your mark poofs
limber lion
so you can vanish whenever Blizzard decides to remove the mark
balmy condor
Also
In mists
When you’re fighting the labyrinth boss
And you have to swap to the clones
But you still have 1 stack of your mark left
So you just dump an envenom into the now-immune boss
Because you want your mark
So you get the capstone
And then join your party on the clone
And you rupture
And then you build to a 7cp envenom
And the clone dies
subtle tundra
and then it died!
balmy condor
And refreshes your capstone timer
So you waddle back to the boss
Having done nothing
I will say, when it works, it’s fine
But sometimes you stealth->ambush really quickly
And it doesn’t apply
Cause xD
And sometimes you lose the mark
And the time it takes to swap to anything is insane
So like if you can get around the 4-5 quirks and painful situations that happen literally all the time
Then it’s okay
Tree is decent
Just very boring and dumb and the mark is in no worth playing around
limber lion
I love it when the thing that's supposed to be cool and exciting is instead thing that torments me every time I go to sleep and every hour I'm awake
royal lantern
make it apply with rupture, jesus fucking christ
so many frking problems would be solved
so many
limber lion
Deathstalker actively ruining the gameplay, the flow and everything is just not it
spice surge
Not the flow 
main solar
Even "ok" and "decent" is a pretty huge miss for what hero talents are supposed to be.
subtle tundra
the fact that its possible to NEED to have to use mutilate 3 times and then envenom to get the hero talent to APPLY
suck my cock
limber lion
the fact that its possible to NEED to have to use mutilate 3 times and then enve...
4 times is also possible
subtle tundra
OI MATE
limber lion
if you're really, really, really unlucky
subtle tundra
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
royal lantern
like
why is it max CP FORCED
just make the next envenom/evisc stronger
if its worth it, people would go max cp anyway
instead of frking forcing is akward in
limber lion
Looks like around a 1.6% chance with 40% crit to end up mutilating 4 times in a row
So probably never ever gonna happen
subtle tundra
doesnt sound like a lot, but its something you will notice
limber lion
but when it does, that's gonna be glorious
balmy condor
I love it when the thing that's supposed to be cool and exciting is instead thin...
The mark + hunt them down + singular focus + clear the witnesses was a total of 5.5% of my damage in those keys btw
Idk how big the envenom capstone is
Or the mutilate buff
simple gyro
assuming they fix the hookups, just come up with some f******* way to make it work without stealth ambush
limber lion
balmy condor
But my melees did more than my mutilates
limber lion
Hunt Them Down needs to die
simple gyro
did they fix hunt them down with caustic, or are we still AA bots for keys with it?
limber lion
Where's all the uptime fanatics now? Imagine losing 5s of Deathstalker MELEE damage
omg
subtle tundra
i wonder why singular focus is so hard to fix
limber lion
tragedy
austere sorrel
I've already decided against assass main but I read this discord the most, for the deathstalker drama
limber lion
did they fix hunt them down with caustic, or are we still AA bots for keys with ...
Don't think Hunt them down spatters, no. And neither does Singular Focus
balmy condor
i wonder why singular focus is so hard to fix
Singular focus massive 0.5%
limber lion
:)
spice surge
i wonder why singular focus is so hard to fix
Depends on what you mean by fix
royal lantern
Hunt Them Down needs to die
no no no, another 10% auto hit buff and random 20% buffs to deathstalker talents instead of fucking fixing the tree
subtle tundra
Singular focus massive 0.5%
holy FUCK
we will be the next SUB rogue in m+
spice surge
I mean the way theyve made the talent it cant really work with a bunch of shit because then it just lags out the game
So its just stuck being terrible
subtle tundra
kinda what i meant
balmy condor
They could batch it to once every 0.5 seconds
haughty flicker
deathstalker is a social experiment
will people take the tree that does more damage but actively makes the spec worse
thorny onyx
What talent builds would u recommend trying out in m+ in TWW beta atm?
haughty flicker
or will they do less damage and take the passive tree
balmy condor
What talent builds would u recommend trying out in m+ in TWW beta atm?
Any of the ones in the pins
limber lion
will people take the tree that does more damage but actively makes the spec wors...
Yeah too bad numerically it's just so much better than Fatebound
Like they really need to give Fatebound a good bump for it to be a viable option
But I guess you can't get to the high Deathstalker sim numbers if the game decides to just delete marks here and there willy-nilly
balmy condor
Just sit on the capstone man
And pray you don’t hit 7cp or your spec doesn’t work
And also don’t worry about the mark uptime you’re losing
Very simple
limber lion
:))) sounds exciting
Good thing we still get extra FOK and MELEE dam even if we don't play around the marks
losing those two would be terrible
subtle tundra
ill fok in st even if its a dps loss to get value out of the talent. cant let it be wasted
subtle tundra
i think ive heard someone fok in st before, ahead of the curve i guess
limber lion
Gotta play around marks though to get the big juicy single FoK
simple gyro
make the capstone not require 7CP? Make it 5 so the talents don't affect it so to speak? idk
limber lion
i think ive heard someone fok in st before, ahead of the curve i guess
Yeah, some people used to do that in Legion (me included)
I don't know if it was even worth it back then
limber lion
make the capstone not require 7CP? Make it 5 so the talents don't affect it so t...
That would be too easy of a fix, thank you, next
simple gyro
60s darkest night timer like whispyr has suggested? make blindside able to apply mark in a bind?
royal lantern
make the capstone not require 7CP? Make it 5 so the talents don't affect it so t...
that + mark on rupture
now its atleast playable on all fights
thats legit the only 2 things it needs
subtle tundra
oh yea mandatory talent
royal lantern
and they dont do it
balmy condor
60s darkest night timer like whispyr has suggested? make blindside able to apply...
They just gotta rip the mark apart and completely change how it’s applied
limber lion
I'm not a fan of the Rupture idea personally
balmy condor
Make it apply from any generator if you don’t have a mark
limber lion
Yup, GarryD 🔛 🔝
subtle tundra
dont make it so we're bound to a target. completely remove the hero talent and build it from 0.
royal lantern
I'm not a fan of the Rupture idea personally
i just think it would work cus its a ability that assa and sub share 
thorny onyx
Any of the ones in the pins
The ones in pins are for prepatch? is there any difference in beta? builds? what hero talents do u recommend to try in m+ , sry if I missed something
limber lion
dont make it so we're bound to a target. completely remove the hero talent and b...
That too
balmy condor
The ones in pins are for prepatch? is there any difference in beta? builds? what...
Nothing changes, same everything, hero talent doesn’t matter
limber lion
The ones in pins are for prepatch? is there any difference in beta? builds? what...
No, it's the exact same except you get a free hero tree on top.
subtle tundra
we already have so much that makes us stick to a target, why make it even worse?
balmy condor
dont make it so we're bound to a target. completely remove the hero talent and b...
True
royal lantern
we already have so much that makes us stick to a target, why make it even worse?
C L A S S F A N T A S Y
no wait, its H E R O F A N T A S Y now
gotta remind myself about the new made up buzzwords
subtle tundra
idk why blizz didnt think of "20% mut damage from behind", its deathSTALKER
its thematic
we love restrictions
and generator damage? ohhh mama
simple gyro
blindside applying the mark would be more a bandaid at this point, i suspect a later patch ripup at this point
haughty flicker
capstone should let you leave creepy voicemails
royal lantern
capstone should let you leave creepy voicemails
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.
that one
subtle tundra
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you...
i touched myself to this
haughty flicker
subtle tundra
i am a STALKER. deathSTALKER
royal lantern
good old navy seal copypasta
limber lion
blindside applying the mark would be more a bandaid at this point, i suspect a l...
Huh? Why are you talking about Blindside
Are you confusing it with something?
flat rain
wtf
limber lion
Blindside is the talent that gives you a free ambush once in a while
main solar
The idea that these trees are evergreen and we have to play them in future expansions as well actually scares me. Deathstalker absolutely needs to be on the top of their list for "full redesign" in a future patch. Like give us something that actually looks like it had clear thought put into it and wasn't rushed out at the end of alpha just so there was something to release.
royal lantern
The idea that these trees are evergreen and we have to play them in future expan...
they are "evergreen"
aka
main solar
I know, that wasn't a question
subtle kiln
Evergreen diarrhea
royal lantern
"negative feedback and them trying to somehow get that shit working results in 1-2 of the talents beeing put into the talent tree and thats it"
limber lion
The idea that these trees are evergreen and we have to play them in future expan...
Did they confirm that they're evergreen?
spice surge
ye
main solar
Did they confirm that they're evergreen?
yes
limber lion
Rip
royal lantern
im legit suprised if they survive in their current way into the next expansion
like, really suprised
its such a giant shitshow
limber lion
Very weird to me that a system like the hero talents is made evergreen
main solar
They did say however they were open to even full redesigns
limber lion
Fair enough
main solar
so we're not 100% stuck with it
subtle kiln
Sepsis says hello on sub
royal lantern
Very weird to me that a system like the hero talents is made evergreen
tbf, its blizzard
they say allot of stuff
like, allot
and then dont do it, or do the opposite lol
gusty mirage
Sepsis says hello on sub
sepsis dead now
we can go back to pretending it doesn't exist
subtle kiln
And they realize it’s missing the 20%
gusty mirage
good meme
limber lion
and then dont do it, or do the opposite lol
I don't think the evergreen stuff however fits that bill
static glacier
Very weird to me that a system like the hero talents is made evergreen
I'd not be surprised if they de-flavoured them and gave em similar treatment to covenant abilities
limber lion
They're pretty adamant on what stays in the game and what doesn't
gusty mirage
Jimmy the Janitor is busy
royal lantern
I don't think the evergreen stuff however fits that bill
it will 100% get HEAVY changes
limber lion
Absolutely
royal lantern
like, the entire "system"
limber lion
For sure
royal lantern
not just the trees themself
thats why i said "it will not survive in its current way into the next expansion"
subtle tundra
next expac will be "adding upon the current hero talents"(give each class a hero talent available to all specs)
subtle kiln
Jimmy the Janitor is busy
Little Jimmy just needs to delete it from the tree, but I think they’re all allergic to touching the tree.
royal lantern
next expac will be "adding upon the current hero talents"(give each class a hero...
like, 100% that happens
subtle tundra
and people will praise blizz for adding evergreen system
and then will be left to rot between patches
royal lantern
"evergreen" is really just the next shity buzzword that people repeat
its glorious
how easy they do it
say a shity word a couple times with some PR talk and they eat it up like crazy
limber lion
Been pretty consistent with what's evergreen and what's not though
Don't think it's really all that
slate crown
sepsis dead now
You'll never take my sparkles away
limber lion
Bis spell
royal lantern
BiS if you need mental support, yeha
fleet pagoda
do the hero talents have any visuals like that or are they all pretty subdued?
fleet pagoda
the animation lock?
haughty flicker
yeah the really fun thing
haughty flicker
no idea tbh, i havent touched beta in a few weeks
balmy condor
With the right options, fatebound will explode in coins
static glacier
thoughts on shadowstrike visuals? as a serial lagger the ambush / shs animation used to terrorise my teammates when I had stuff like fyrakk circle drop
maybe the future of rogue visuals is dh tier obnoxious visuals
raven egret
Fatebound has a coin
I get on discord and what do I read, conspiracy to side with the coin
sigh
simple gyro
Huh? Why are you talking about Blindside
My thought was that if deathstalker's mark applied with ambush without ambush, it might be a bandaid til they actually fixed the hero tree
Since, you know, it really would not change anything for sub
raven egret
That doesnt solve anything, it becomes a RNG if you get to apply the mark at all at any given time
simple gyro
Hence, "bandaid", not solution
raven egret
thats.. not even a bandaid thought 
haughty flicker
raven egret
I mean I didn't think it was possible, but you found a way to make deathstalker worse 
simple gyro
I mean I didn't think it was possible, but you found a way to make deathstalker ...
i mean, how so, since it would still work as is, with an potential extra proc potential
fleet pagoda
would be *something* if the mark is lost
waiting on that or being incentivized to fish for blindside procs would probably feel worse than just accepting you gotta wait tbh
simple gyro
waiting on that or being incentivized to fish for blindside procs would probably...
That is fair
raven egret
1- it forces you to spec into blindside
2- it relies on RNG change to pop when needed
3- forces fishing for--- yeah chunk said it
simple gyro
absolutely needs a rework at this point
fleet pagoda
That is fair
I get where you're coming from, I just think it will -feel- worse to play around which isn't a worthy sacrifice
raven egret
4- I still fckin hate the coin to be clear
simple gyro
4- I still fckin hate the coin to be clear
you and me both
raven egret
nobody cares but I need to say it at least once a day
simple gyro
i uh may have farmed up the death stalker title for reasons
raven egret
simple gyro
i was thinking of bandaids til they actually decide to actually give the hero tree some actuall attention
main solar
It really just comes down to the fact that we're too late into the beta cycle for any functional changes. So if they're going to do any of that in a future patch, just go big instead of a bunch of bandaids to a clunky and not well thought out tree
raven egret
I am 100% on the side that our hero trees needs to be nuked, and started back from the ground up. Throw in Oracle into that pile while we're at it, get the priests on side
static glacier
1- it forces you to spec into blindside
2- it relies on RNG change to pop when n...
does it force blindside?
maybe i've misunderstood but i don't think it does at all
raven egret
does it force blindside?
what no, we were talking about the hypotetical IF it used blindside
static glacier
OH
static glacier
lowkey
it would actually be bad to take Blindside if it did
you'd not want to randomly add stacks in lieu of more capstone procs
simple gyro
maybe if it didnt somehow refresh the mark, it could work
royal lantern
and, you know
make it even worse in m+
cus you would need to spam mutilate for a blindside proc
until you get a mark
lol
simple gyro
well derping with sub on a dummy, it might work
sub, spamming SS doesnt reapply the mark, but if you have the darkest night buff, that overrides any mark you might have consumed some stacks of it appears
simple gyro
1- it forces you to spec into blindside
2- it relies on RNG change to pop when n...
Looking at the builds that whispyr has done, it only "forces" if in the hybrid build. Worst case scenario, you do not run the hybrid build. Either bleed focus or cleave focus. Again, not a complete fix, merely a bandiad
wet plaza
!wa
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runic hinge
i uh may have farmed up the death stalker title for reasons
I’m doing this now
strange python
!restealth
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Explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
- Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
- You can add in some sanguine/rupture value from carnage, but chaining allows for higher uptime and smoother energy overall, eliminating a lot of ramp at the start of a pull
- This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths (chain heavy spiteful weeks are only about -30% on stealths)
- You still have vanish which gives you plenty of options to get your stealth effects
- This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years
normal mist
I’m doing this now
which achievement is that one?
slim hamlet
I’m doing this now
wait how
strange python
!stats
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There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
tiny quartz
does anyone else have issue with caustic spatter? is not working to me but when i change to internal bleeding , internal works
runic hinge
which achievement is that one?
Uhh its garrison stuff
normal mist
Are you mutilating a target who is affected with rupture + deadly poison @tiny quartz ?
runic hinge
You gotta do the gladiators sanctum and then kill undead
tiny quartz
ys
runic hinge
wait how
I haven’t start I mean I’m gonna when I get home
I didn’t even play rogue in wod
normal mist
I haven’t start I mean I’m gonna when I get home
Goodluck without buying a "boost" for it
runic hinge
Time to queue ashran only
haughty flicker
ashran pog
haughty flicker
i spent a lot of time in ashran
but most of it i was just away from the zerg doing pve lmao
runic hinge
I played some boomkin then so I’d get the ancient artifact and go off
pure moth
does anyone else have issue with caustic spatter? is not working to me but when ...
Haven't had an issue. Got a log?
limber lion
does anyone else have issue with caustic spatter? is not working to me but when ...
Look at the conditions of Spatter
strange python
is that a weak aura that shows caustic?
strange python
lmao, fair
limber lion
Look at the conditions of Spatter
It requires for the target to have Rupture and Deadly Poison on it
After which you would Mutilate to activate it
normal mist
TLDR its an addon named Tell Me When
limber lion
So either you don't have Rupture on the target, or you don't have poisons on
Or you haven't mutilated
limber lion
Spatter works perfectly fine
strange python
normal mist
is that a weak aura that shows caustic?
All of that activate with timers once i press the abilities, aka a scuffed WA that most of you guys use
clever sapphire
he plays outlaw, its fine if you make fun of him a bit
strange python
All of that activate with timers once i press the abilities, aka a scuffed WA th...
kinda like that tho
normal mist
I'm so used to this display of it that i CANT use the normal rogue WAs / profiles
raven egret
I just make my own custom layout personally
slim hamlet
slim hamlet
All of that activate with timers once i press the abilities, aka a scuffed WA th...
what in the world is that wa
thing
earnest remnant
normal mist
<:Despairge:1061464861474816030>
I already said my reasons, don't hate :c
earnest remnant
i didn't say anything
normal mist
THAT EMOTE SPOKE MILLIONSSS
spice spire
hexed frost
@balmy condor cold blood goes better with envenom or hold 15 seconds with kingsbane?
normal mist
"big dmg"
hexed frost
initial hit of KB doesent do much
It's still a big bonk
fierce sigil
do i want more vers than before prepatch?
earnest remnant
probably about the same stat spread as before
clever sapphire
It's still a big bonk
imagine getting your CB KB parried 
normal mist
OOF
fierce sigil
ok so... my actual stats are looking like:
Crit: 51,96% (7.865)
Haste: 19,44% (3.397)
Mastery: 101,08% (10.446)
Vers: 11,65% (2.406)
I feel like... thats a little bit off 😄
normal mist
did you sim it?
fierce sigil
nah thats what i got with my gear after patch
normal mist
The more you have of a stat, the less desired it gets, and by consequence, the other's will gain value, until this repeats itself.
AkA just sim your gear and swap whatever gear the sims say
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> cold blood goes better with envenom or hold 15 seconds wit...
cold blood gets macro'd to fok/mutilate
hexed frost
cold blood gets macro'd to fok/mutilate
Hmmmm.... And how about envenom? Shouldn't bigger envenom = bigger blast and splatter?
earnest remnant
combo points goes brrrt
hexed frost
Aah I see
balmy condor
if you want to cold blood envenom so bad play fatebound and take the node
and then again macro it to mut and fok
cause you're still wanting it to cast on cooldown
hexed frost
clever sapphire
cold blood gets macro'd to fok/mutilate
what if i macro it to shiv and play ttb 
balmy condor
miss too many casts
earnest remnant
what if i dont macro it but just track it and use it on either mutilates, fok or envenoms?
haughty flicker
what if i just use a good talent
spice surge
miss too many casts
If i dont spec kingsbane i could hold my ttb shivs for cold bloods
balmy condor
If i dont spec kingsbane i could hold my ttb shivs for cold bloods <:monkahmm:58...
cooking
hexed frost
Guys I am getting more energy starved in this pre-patch compared to before. Now I have to pool more often
Anyone experiencing the same?
spice surge
Shouldnt be much more starved
waxen oyster
Yep. Working on increasing haste to help with that.
Haste barely does anything
hexed frost
Haste expansion?
spice surge
And haste doesnt really impact it a whole lot
bitter flicker
@spice surge any suggestions?
normal mist
Yep. Working on increasing haste to help with that.
?
spice surge
Suggestions for what
waxen oyster
I mean imo you have to pool less than in s3/4
normal mist
Haste and energy, what a duo
waxen oyster
with ER
royal lantern
I mean imo you have to pool less than in s3/4
there is no pooling anymore
normal mist
<@212854714197344256> any suggestions?
!pooling
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TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back
- If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
- Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
- Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
- With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use
normal mist
If you legit just spam, you'll run out of energy eventually
waxen oyster
https://tenor.com/view/death-minecraft-free-fall-video-game-gif-17783385
ER is literally fine of a talent
albeit its boring
hexed frost
Too much of a button bloat in M+
balmy condor
@spice surge any suggestions?
balmy condor
good suggestion
waxen oyster
Too much of a button bloat in M+
None of the rogue specs have that many buttons
hoary remnant
None of the rogue specs have that many buttons
without macros