Armor penetration goes brrrrr
#assassination
normal mist
arctic venture
long island
does assassination only use daggers or swords as well?
loud gull
how are the rogue buffs in beta, bandaid fix or actually decent ?
hollow stone
I think this is the perfect time to bring up again that daggers should be moggable to swords
grim jay
No
haughty flicker
it will happen eventually
just like different armor types will be moggable
their argument originally was they wanted you to be able to recognize classes at a glance, and that is so far out the window it looks like a russian economist
grim jay
their argument originally was they wanted you to be able to recognize classes at...
I doubt it will change
hollow stone
their argument originally was they wanted you to be able to recognize classes at...
esp with things like the pajama mogs n stuff of that kind
slim hamlet
just like different armor types will be moggable
quiet oar
and they need their occasional W
slim hamlet
Someone said mogging?
quiet oar
to get possitve feedback
haughty flicker
ye pretty much lmao
grim jay
Even in games where you have no armortype specific moggs, they are atleast class specific
Often
Which is good
Imo
grim jay
Dont want even more people to run around with the same mog
haughty flicker
Dont want even more people to run around with the same mog
it would have the opposite effect
the amount of mogs you could make would multiply exponentially
normal mist
I was summoned again
grim jay
the amount of mogs you could make would multiply exponentially
The amount of mogs they could but wont make you mean?
grim jay
holy fuck that was fast
Hes always quick
quiet oar
Well
grim jay
quiet oar
what do you expect
normal mist
Only where it matters
quiet oar
from RoyAil
normal mist
Damn, I know how that feels, it's alright you're not alone
Thanks
haughty flicker
normal mist
She says it's okay
slim hamlet
They always do
normal mist
...
slim hamlet
Anyways transmog?
normal mist
Aight let's go
haughty flicker
something something mog of the month
grim jay
She says it's okay
Why last long if you can just keep poking anyways
hollow stone
transmog update in tww is kinda big tho, pantless? now I can finally live me real life in game
slim hamlet
Damn I have missed #assassination
haughty flicker
the ability to take my pants off is the best part of prepatch for sure
grim jay
Aight let's go
Allowing people to mog stuff of different armor types would suck
normal mist
I agree
haughty flicker
paladin armor btw
normal mist
More cosmetic armor? Yes.
But old models that are already attached to some classes? No
slim hamlet
paladin armor btw
No shot
haughty flicker
More cosmetic armor? Yes.
But old models that are already attached to some class...
class sets sure, but generic plate/mail/leather/cloth that arent class specific?
quiet oar
<@157187423950864386> How does it feel if royal turns on you
Its ok, in a healthy relationship you can have different opinion and not hating each other
haughty flicker
having class sets be unique is good for fantasy, but i see no reason the generic pieces cant be used by everyone
normal mist
class sets sure, but generic plate/mail/leather/cloth that arent class specific?
Yes BUT.
I'd rather have them do it from now onwards than picking old stuff. Because it would feel weird.
And TWW is already giving us a LOT of cosmetic armor
And most you can see already in game
hollow stone
what hair color sims the highest for my blood elf rogue?
normal mist
Male or female?
hollow stone
Female
haughty flicker
what hair color sims the highest for my blood elf rogue?
depends entirely on the transmog
hollow stone
oh shi
haughty flicker
you match the hair and eye color to the set
normal mist
Red/black
hollow stone
Black ponytail is the go-to
normal mist
You guys gave me the perfect excuse btw
Now that we are at it FEEL FREE TO CHECK OUT THE RAVENHOLDT'S KITCHEN!
#1262437829150113855
We already have people cooking let's fucking go let's go vote!
haughty flicker
something something mog of the month
called it
grim jay
Is there any full set to vote for?
narrow basalt
hollow stone
I love the gold nightslayer recolor set, boob shoulders n all
sonic zinc
cowards
haughty flicker
someone enter with a magic mike transmog please
i'll vote for it
but im too lazy to do it myself
hollow stone
That cloth mario mog that was floating around a bit ago was top tier, i hope you guys got to see it
normal mist
That cloth mario mog that was floating around a bit ago was top tier, i hope you...
I actually did!
hollow stone
so good
quiet oar
This damn selfadvertising
normal mist
Yeah damn the monkey
gusty mirage
haughty flicker
fierce sigil
is there somethin bugged when u wanna test assa on dummies? đ
normal mist
Yes there are some bugs
gusty mirage
the game is immaculately polished
normal mist
Features
gusty mirage
how dare you
quiet oar
We call it technical surpirses
clever sapphire
guys good tip, dont try trading
haughty flicker
yeah trading is working as intended too
locks you out for 10 minutes to punish you
for trying to avoid the auction house
hollow stone
a character with that name already exists
quiet oar
normal mist
for trying to avoid the auction house
You get to touch grass
fierce sigil
f.e. my kingsbane is just doing 2,8m damage... isnt that a little low? im pressing the right buttons
quiet oar
You get to touch grass
????
clever sapphire
a character with that name already exists
you closed game with alt+f4 right?
quiet oar
What did you just call me
clever sapphire
gotta wait till the game logs out your char
hollow stone
oh, I know, I was commenting on the trade bug
clever sapphire
ye it kicked me after like 10 minutes
hollow stone
it kicks you out of the game and then hits you with the ol' classico
clever sapphire
i was just spectating the sennarth kill, got to roll on the loot still and got the vault slot
quiet oar
??
quiet oar
One of the inventories was full
fierce sigil
but round about 500k dps in burst seems fairly low on st dummy with m+ bleed build no?.. i dont get it
gusty mirage
no buffarinos
quiet oar
oh nah it was me trading loot from terros
Oh terros i know what it was
gusty mirage
a lot of damage is tied to shit like battle shout/chaos brand/potion/etc
quiet oar
It was your Bonespike from 3 weeks ago
fierce sigil
with flask, runes, food...
Y but in my m+ build last season i did great ST damage and good AoE... i didnt play Bleed Build tbh
normal mist
I believe you're getting to the point
fierce sigil
y is bleed build that bad? đ
spice surge
Its not
spice surge
Idk you cant just compare the burst
KB was nerfed a lot
Damage was put into other spells insead
fierce sigil
hmmm so ST got struck relatively hard in the new M+ Build?
spice surge
Not really
You can just play the cleave build still if you want
But playing a singletarget build for m+ always seemed odd to me
balmy condor
Itâs just one of those things man
spice spire
But playing a singletarget build for m+ always seemed odd to me
Only season it made sense for me personally was like sub 22 keys in 9.1 on tyran because of the patch affix outside of that yeah no, ST builds are weird
balmy condor
One guy up high said prio damage
And it just snowballed out of control
And now itâs full single target everything
normal mist
Welcome back Whispyr
balmy condor
Thanks I have a sunburn
spice spire
GM king
balmy condor
Shit sucks
normal mist
Maybe he saw the legendary item called Grass, that everyone says I should touch
spice spire
https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-26039804
Mfs that complain during prepatch cycles 
Good gif for that
haughty flicker
what do you mean this patch isnt working perfectly immediately
and my class isnt doing enough damage
blizzard must pay for these crimes
spice spire
what do you mean this patch isnt working perfectly immediately
So like this is a semi reasonable expectation. Patches and new expansions should work
balmy condor
Maybe he saw the legendary item called Grass, that everyone says I should touch
Yard work day 3
haughty flicker
there are certain things that i dont excuse
quiet oar
Mfs that complain during prepatch cycles <:hm:1228583333718524008>
cut the pre in prepatch, because everyone is complaining all the time
haughty flicker
like the bosses randomly breaking
but i think its understandable that stuff like the warband bank isnt working right away
with the amount of stuff that must be going on in the backend
spice spire
Yeah sure
haughty flicker
the talent tree stuff is disastrous though
quiet oar
Yard work day 3
Imagine flying 10 hours or smth like this to germany, to do gardening work
spice spire
Warbands should work by TWW though, I think thatâs pretty reasonable
quiet oar
Thats vacation how i imagine it
haughty flicker
releasing broken trees then saying its intentional
and yeah if it doesnt work by TWW then i'd have a big problem with that
spice spire
Yeah no thatâs not the people I tell to âtouch grassâ
The ârerolling BMâ mfs
But also @balmy condor
balmy condor
Imagine flying 10 hours or smth like this to germany, to do gardening work
You can see the red on my neck
Itâs gonna be schnasty
spice spire
Glad you did yard work and touched grass homie
loud gull
@balmy condor how are the rogue buffs in beta? bandaid fix, or we eating ?
balmy condor
Iâm way too fucking white
royal lantern
<@167090536602140682> how are the rogue buffs in beta? bandaid fix, or we eating...
brother, its tuning changes lol
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> how are the rogue buffs in beta? bandaid fix, or we eating...
I mean itâs like 6% or something itâs nothing impressive
Brings fatebound in line
spice spire
Huge
loud gull
ah nothing special, seemed good but nvm then
balmy condor
Itâs just balancing
quiet oar
You can see the red on my neck
In germany we dont say "Thats a sunburn" we say "Das sieht aber sehr schmerzhaft aus, hättest mal sonnencreme benutzt" and i think thats beautiful
spice spire
Can I get thatâs translation rq
quiet oar
"Thats looks very painful, shouldve used sun creme"
balmy condor
In germany we dont say "Thats a sunburn" we say "Das sieht aber sehr schmerzhaft...
In Germany we donât say âshut upâ we say âhalts maul du rindfiechâ and I think thatâs beautiful
haughty flicker
german is a lovely language
normal mist
In Portugal we say "Fodasse". And we just put it in random places of our sentences and it always makes sense
Which is just "fuck"
normal mist
LOOOOL
quiet oar
i shouldve read
spice spire
I did read
haughty flicker
we both know it was on purpose
junior aurora
in jersey we just tell you to fuck off
hollow stone
more like do concrete now-a-days
austere sorrel
in jersey we just tell you to fuck off
Sounds like North Jersey
spice spire
I fodasse Quake
Dog?
clear socket
anyone has tips for what to do lvl 6 rogue
hollow stone
level
long island
could someone explain in a couple of words what playing assassination is about
hollow stone
get boosted on mop remix by op ppl and then wait for the mop remix chars to transfer :p
clear socket
get boosted on mop remix by op ppl and then wait for the mop remix chars to tran...
wowowow what are those terms xd
i dont understand anything
hollow stone
yea, just quest (the easier answer)
icy acorn
just non stop quest?
either get boosted or use an addon called aap (azeroth auto pilot)
or spam dungeons
long island
i dont understand anything
join a guild its going to help u a lot
normal mist
could someone explain in a couple of words what playing assassination is about
Bleeds, coldowns go BRRRRR, now we chill, hit that envenom, chill
clear socket
like firemaw?
hollow stone
server doesnt matter at all any more
drowsy lotus
Whats the logic for arterial precision vs dragon tempered blades? should one by for tyranical one for fortified?
shy pecan
Wow remix is a game mode you can play in. Just levels faster than current wow.
clear socket
either get boosted or use an addon called aap (azeroth auto pilot)
or spam dunge...
got no friends đ˘
shy pecan
Whats the logic for arterial precision vs dragon tempered blades? should one by ...
DTB is more poison based and revolves around Kingsbane, AP is bleed based.
drowsy lotus
I get that but whats the functional application of that? Single target vs aoe?
clear socket
and do what azeroth auto pilot tells you to do inbetween
can u add me
drowsy lotus
whats the trade offs of going one vs the other
icy acorn
why, i dont really play wow atm
normal mist
can u add me
Are you new to the game?
clear socket
yee
normal mist
Then just create a character and play, don't worry
shy pecan
They do similar damage. DTB sucks if your KB target dies too early
clear socket
why, i dont really play wow atm
explain me better maybe
olive tendon
!pooling
prisma monolithBOT
Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back
- If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
- Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
- Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
- With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use
icy acorn
get the addon called azeroth auto pilot and do what it says (it will tell you what quests to do)
and while you are doing quests you can queue for dungeons in the dungeon browser and wait until the group is formed automaticly
spice spire
whats the trade offs of going one vs the other
clear socket
get the addon called azeroth auto pilot and do what it says (it will tell you wh...
thats the thing
i dont understand those add ons
i downloaded it
zealous niche
Just play the game
haughty flicker
as a new player i wouldnt think too much about those things
clear socket
alrightt
haughty flicker
just play through the story
normal mist
My friend, if you're new to wow, forget about addons and shit
zealous niche
It literally handholding you through
clear socket
xdd
normal mist
That's grown up shit
spice spire
Yeah, playing is a cornerstone of learning here
clear socket
bet bet
spice spire
So just play through and if you have general questions #wow-general is best! But specifically about assassination or just rogue in general donât hesitate to ask homie
normal mist
Just enjoy the leveling experience, do all the quests you see
spice spire
Hope you have fun đ
clear socket
So just play through and if you have general questions <#486284970806083584> is ...
alright tysm
clear socket
Hope you have fun đ
normal mist
Also, might be a stretch, but you can also just YouTube stuff like "new to wow, what to do" and there might be a lot of YouTube guides
haughty flicker
Lmao
zealous niche
You dont even need all that WoW's pretty on rails to 90. Just make a character. Follow the prompts and play through the campaigns, they will guide you all the way to 90.
spice spire
90?
normal mist
You mean 60?
balmy condor
Heâs in 12.0
haughty flicker
90 Jesus
normal mist
Or maybe 70?
balmy condor
13.0 even
zealous niche
I've been playing ffxiv lol
spice spire
zealous niche
Brain dumb
normal mist
I've been playing ffxiv lol
Even in FFXIV you're handheld till 100
junior aurora
glean ur insight
spice spire
Level squished two expansions ago is what it is
haughty flicker
If he didnât quit it mustâve been ok
balmy condor
I made it to 275 on my dawn warrior
spice spire
zealous niche
Rogues get a new spec. They can tank now.
junior aurora
I made it to 275 on my dawn warrior
i made it to 295 in my car today
normal mist
I've been playing ffxiv lol
Main job?
royal lantern
Even in FFXIV you're handheld till 100
my brother in christ
you are handheld for everything except the hardmode stuff 
junior aurora
line cook
zealous niche
Viper ofc, ninja before the expansion dropped
junior aurora
(ur being a cute)
normal mist
Viper ofc, ninja before the expansion dropped
We in line then, because same
normal mist
What?
spice spire
A heard
normal mist
...
junior aurora
yes chef
normal mist
XDDDD
haughty flicker
YES CHEF
spice spire
Yeah itâs a bad one 
royal lantern
YES CHEF
normal mist
I like bad jokes
junior aurora
u want a bad joke royal
junior aurora
a horse walks into a bar and says âi dont think i amâ and disappears
i could have explained the philosophy behind that but that would have been putting descartes before the horse
haughty flicker
Oh shit
normal mist
spice spire
lean ruin
!pooling
prisma monolithBOT
Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back
- If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
- Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
- Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
- With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use
lean ruin
!restealth
prisma monolithBOT
Explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
- Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
- You can add in some sanguine/rupture value from carnage, but chaining allows for higher uptime and smoother energy overall, eliminating a lot of ramp at the start of a pull
- This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths (chain heavy spiteful weeks are only about -30% on stealths)
- You still have vanish which gives you plenty of options to get your stealth effects
- This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years
spice spire
HUH
quiet oar
Dont huh me, you are the horny one!
desert cove
quiet oar
royal lantern
normal mist
<:nomf:1265353614671613962>
Non CRIT ferocious bite
desert cove
yeah I raided last night on outlaw, and that was enough for a lifetime
so now I'm going to learn sin today
normal mist
Welcome brother
desert cove
I played outlaw for all of dragonflight except for s2, I'm pretty sad about it
but oh well
killing spree killed me 7 times last night
strange python
sounds like it was on a killing spree
desert cove
strange python
i just did a dungeon as sin, boy do i suck at this game now
drowsy lotus
Is it fair to say the bleed build is a little easier than poison one in m+? less punishing if you missplay your envenom windows
strange python
the wowhead guide mentions that, bleed build is easier for noobs
can also flip out of splatter
drowsy lotus
the wowhead guide mentions that, bleed build is easier for noobs
danke i am big noob
I simmed both builds the dps is really really close
strange python
same
drowsy lotus
but only simed 5 targets maybe 8 targets is where the delta shows
shy pecan
Is it fair to say the bleed build is a little easier than poison one in m+? less...
Itâs not really the envenoms. Itâs about getting good value on your KBs. Thatâs why we say play the bleed build
pulsar dirge
!restealth
prisma monolithBOT
Explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
- Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
- You can add in some sanguine/rupture value from carnage, but chaining allows for higher uptime and smoother energy overall, eliminating a lot of ramp at the start of a pull
- This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths (chain heavy spiteful weeks are only about -30% on stealths)
- You still have vanish which gives you plenty of options to get your stealth effects
- This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years
shy pecan
They both play the same overall
royal lantern
yeah I raided last night on outlaw, and that was enough for a lifetime
i would normaly make a stupid "lmao Outlaw" comment
but man, forcing frking Killing Spree on people is just hatefull, i just feel bad for them in that regard
desert cove
yeah, in current prepatch it's about like a 2-3% dps increase over improved main gauche, but outlaw's damage is so low that I was trying to eek out whatever damage I could
still ended up doing tank dps on ST fights
bleak sky
One guy up high said prio damage
well but sub is really good for prio damage if you flag eviscerate over and over trust i am over 4000io in season 2 shadowlands
spice spire
well but sub is really good for prio damage if you flag eviscerate over and over...
If I were green Iâd ban u for this one king
bleak sky
If I were green Iâd ban u for this one king
play obedience in keys to have even more prio trust
shy pecan
Trust
celest egret
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
narrow basalt
Sudden demise
brave gyro
Holy, imma go make dinner and listen to new Whispyr ASMR
normal mist
HIYA
normal mist
Holy, imma go make dinner and listen to new Whispyr ASMR <:HOLY:1250893440183570...
you and me... on the same page
brave gyro
you and me... on the same page
brave gyro
spice spire
Hey, that's me!
Thatâs a lie 
spice spire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj22rjchPkQ
Thatâs literally clickbait for me and 3 people
normal mist
add some 0's on after the 3
agile wedge
as i never used bonethingy till yet, do i need to play around it in some way?
runic hinge
play obedience in keys to have even more prio trust
Minalba in spec channel
runic hinge
as i never used bonethingy till yet, do i need to play around it in some way?
No itâs a passive on rupture
agile wedge
i see, thanks
agile wedge
why dont people shiv 2 times anymore like before?
i looked in the pins, but did not found a new shiv rule
desert cove
you shiv at the end of your first shiv cast, to carry through the rest of your KB window
haughty flicker
you still shiv at the start and end of kb
desert cove
logs are generally screwed right now
slate crown
as i never used bonethingy till yet, do i need to play around it in some way?
In single target it just means you'll occasionally get some CP back from rupture.
In M+ it means that when you rupture multiple targets at the start of a pull with IC up, you'll often get a full CP bar fillup refund, so be aware of that as you rupture cleave that you will have CP refunded right away to do another finisher
spice spire
np
slate crown
So it's not playing around, as much as it's "be aware of the CP refund"
long island
what poison do u guys apply
spice spire
If you talent into amp, amp. Otherwise deadly
Nonlethal is dependent on content.
If you have DTB obviously amp and deadly
gusty mirage
how do you do fellow boomers
slim hamlet
Great, currently writing an essay about restealthing
spice spire
Dead inside
runic hinge
Iâm thinking of playing feral Druid to follow in meownars footsteps
slim hamlet
Feral discord is one of the places of all time, would recommend
Never been so confused in my life as when I asked about snapshot stuff for that spec
slim hamlet
That's one wide boi
runic hinge
Never been so confused in my life as when I asked about snapshot stuff for that ...
It was actually the first class discord I joined and they might be more off topic than assa
spice spire
<:Wide_George_1:1264766726294339748><:Wide_George_2:1264766727334527089><:Wide_G...
Always
grim jay
<:PES_SadHug:622403182252916756>
slim hamlet
Fucking get him
grim jay
what do we do with that betrayal
gusty mirage
he's not wrong
slim hamlet
That doesn't mean he gotta say it
limber lion
Gg
gusty mirage
oh shit cev's awake
grim jay
speechless
strange python
!restealth.
sonic zinc
ass one trick with sub color 
strange python
!restealth
prisma monolithBOT
Explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
- Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
- You can add in some sanguine/rupture value from carnage, but chaining allows for higher uptime and smoother energy overall, eliminating a lot of ramp at the start of a pull
- This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths (chain heavy spiteful weeks are only about -30% on stealths)
- You still have vanish which gives you plenty of options to get your stealth effects
- This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years
slim hamlet
ass one trick with sub color <:thinkPeepo:754149648712859719>
sub color with ass icon đ¤
sonic zinc
yea but i never claimed to be any one spec
gusty mirage
https://tenor.com/view/chapelle-show-black-bush-panic-scram-gif-5629397
lmfao I love this gif
sonic zinc
i also was necrolord for all of sl
slim hamlet
i also was necrolord for all of sl
based
slim hamlet
I am also a rogue enjoyer
sonic zinc
yuh
slim hamlet
Just only ass
gusty mirage
sonic zinc
sbs les gooo
gusty mirage
my beloved deathspike
slim hamlet
and the others when they are better
limber lion
everyone run
I'm coming for dat ass boy
limber lion
Deathspike was so good
slim hamlet
Deathspike the lego?
gusty mirage
ye
slim hamlet
The lego was so nice for m+
limber lion
One charge, 3 spikes
slim hamlet
holy
gusty mirage
the cleave spike
limber lion
Grt refubds from all of em
sonic zinc
why would u go sub if sin gets deathspike???
slim hamlet
I would play rogue as my main for m+ pushing again if that came back
limber lion
that + fleshy c
Never pressed it, never will
gusty mirage
big damage coming in? CHANNEL FLESHCRAFT
gusty mirage
wdym
sonic zinc
flesh craft op
gusty mirage
if you played plague deviser it 100% was damage
limber lion
Give me shapeshift and deathspike
rain mortar
After playing a decent number of keys and doing heroic raids this week - I think I actually like having SBS and ER. The play feels a little bit more engaging overall. I donât like feeling a bit more energy starved in ST than normal, but overall Iâd say for prepatch we feel pretty good.
Now⌠when the hero talents come into play may feel different
limber lion
And I'll die a happy man
sonic zinc
something u can press during downtime in a fight
subtle kiln
gusty mirage
KEVIN
limber lion
Kevin was a homie
slim hamlet
Kevin was an OG fr
gusty mirage
and you'd just give infinite shields to everyone
slim hamlet
Kevin gave you love
drifting cloud
oxi whats bis talents for testing in 40min
waxen oyster
bonesmith was that weird cheat death
gusty mirage
oxi whats bis talents for testing in 40min
CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMjZmhZmxyMAAAAAAMbwyMAAAAAA022MzwDMzYMzMLz2YMGMzMzMzYmNbjZAAAABgAAA
slim hamlet
Kevin was the slime thingy, can't actually remember what he did
gusty mirage
swap IB for caustic
gusty mirage
Kevin was the slime thingy, can't actually remember what he did
he did damage and gave you a smol shield
rain mortar
We are always using spenders right now on 5,6, or 7 CP right?
waxen oyster
Clown enjoyer
slim hamlet
ive heard you are a clown enjoyer
drifting cloud
ok now I feel bad you looked for it when Im just trying to cause tomfoolery
slim hamlet
I don't play wow anymore
Stronger than any of us fr
waxen oyster
oxi shadow when?
gusty mirage
retired on back to back hof raiding
waxen oyster
isn't not playing one of the prereqs
gusty mirage
riding off into the sunset
slim hamlet
The dream
gusty mirage
rosvall, koffin, ronnkles, whispyr, rfeann, and stjern still all play
slim hamlet
I still stop playing every tier before cutting edge
gusty mirage
before zine was demoted a bigger % of blades didn't play the game 
it was stealthi and fuu playing and me and zine not
gusty mirage
I unfortunately still have to stay on top of this shit game for the IV guide until I find some poor soul willing to take that shit
stjern is playing rogue in tww
he played rogue in s3 too!
drifting cloud
worse, hes feral
gusty mirage
(I finished ahead of him in WR tho what can I say I'mma gamer)
ronkles plays warrior ye
drifting cloud
no wait thats shien
gusty mirage
meownar plays feral
waxen oyster
I mean feral is just rogue for furries
gusty mirage
honestly ronkles playing fury makes sense, he was an outlaw enjoyer
gusty mirage
becoming a furry?
limber lion
Or the class/spec
waxen oyster
honestly ronkles playing fury makes sense, he was an outlaw enjoyer
They have to have spec diversity ig
gusty mirage
@stuck knoll in typical unga bunga melee fashion, picked up fury super easy
lean briar
!restealth
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Explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
- Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
- You can add in some sanguine/rupture value from carnage, but chaining allows for higher uptime and smoother energy overall, eliminating a lot of ramp at the start of a pull
- This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths (chain heavy spiteful weeks are only about -30% on stealths)
- You still have vanish which gives you plenty of options to get your stealth effects
- This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years
gusty mirage
mfer playin' outlaw rogue with red energy
grim jay
honestly ronkles playing fury makes sense, he was an outlaw enjoyer
I think in that case its pretty good he switched to fury
proven jasper
Outlaw rogue but someone stole ur gun
grim jay
can be forgiven
sonic zinc
imagine if u could just generate energy
waxen oyster
I mean fury is easier than outlaw
ngl
what about tiers arms is just straight up better though
gusty mirage
ye a lot less convuluted than outlaw
waxen oyster
gusty mirage
what about tiers arms is just straight up better though
he suffered through arms
gusty mirage
my friend plays warrior, and only enjoys the game when he can spell reflect
grim jay
he suffered through arms <:xdd:1141542301060046918>
brother what
arms is literally the better spec
gusty mirage
he was so hype for tww cause of the intervene reflect shit or whatever
and I was like YEAH IM QUITTING SORRY BUD
gusty mirage
lmfao
waxen oyster
is on your reflect
gusty mirage
TRUE
reflect is cool when you realize you didn't need any DPS to do sisters in waycrest
rain mortar
Wish they would change without a trace to make vanish CD 1 minute instead of 2 charges
gusty mirage
and a warrior could just solo the boss lmao
spice spire
Reflecting Mordrethaâs scythe hit is also an insane tech
gusty mirage
Wish they would change without a trace to make vanish CD 1 minute instead of 2 c...
hear me out, without a trace 1 min vanish CD. Subterfuge caked into soothing darkness and in its place you get the 2 charges of vanish
grim jay
warrior would be cool if there was still a version of gladiator prot
rain mortar
hear me out, without a trace 1 min vanish CD. Subterfuge caked into soothing dar...
Cook baby cook
gusty mirage
TRUE
waxen oyster
gusty mirage
2% LEECH WHILE STEALTHED
DOESN'T WORK WITH SUBTERFUGE
POG
2% OF YOUR AMBUSH
God that talent is so fucking bad
chatgpt must've made it, because no human being could possibly think up something so useless
spice spire
chatgpt must've made it, because no human being could possibly think up somethin...
False bestie my parents made me
spice spire
Pins bestie
austere sorrel
How many besties you got?
proven jasper
New league tomorrow
grim jay
New league tomorrow <:bla:1264689429424115795>
I kinda envy you poe enjoyers
potent raven
appreciate u
spice spire
How many besties you got?
2 many bestie
proven jasper
I kinda envy you poe enjoyers
Poe league is gonna save prepatch for me lmao
i aint playin that shit
grim jay
Poe league is gonna save prepatch for me lmao
I'd love to try out throne and liberty in the meantime, but release is 12th september
proven jasper
grim jay
could literally play
nearly a week
and thats it
for until i got all the m+ items
so roughly 1-2 weeks
austere sorrel
Maybe you'll fall in love with throne and liberty and never look back
grim jay
Maybe you'll fall in love with throne and liberty and never look back
we all know how it is
proven jasper
only way im playin wow rn is if the homies call me in otherwise hell nah
austere sorrel
So no wow then?
coral stratus
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So no wow then?
rather a "game starts good and plummets"
coupled with wow always gets you back
austere sorrel
Sorry I was making a crack at @proven jasper
proven jasper
Sorry I was making a crack at <@117853202921029639>
austere sorrel
coupled with wow always gets you back
But I suppose you are right, even if it took like a decade to get me back
grim jay
Sorry I was making a crack at <@117853202921029639>
poopstalker made the only right choice
proven jasper
Ill be mia by tomorrow when the league is out anyway
grim jay
Ill be mia by tomorrow when the league is out anyway
I'll only give PoE2 a go, wont start with PoE anymore
proven jasper
Fair, i have a good friend who feels the same
spice spire
But I suppose you are right, even if it took like a decade to get me back
Been there
grim jay
But I suppose you are right, even if it took like a decade to get me back
I mean look at oxi
hes staying strong currently
but we all know it will drag him back
austere sorrel
I had no interest in coming back, but a RL friend convinced me, then he quit a month later
And now here I am..
rare jackal
do we just macro ashes to deathmark now?
trail tree
ER being used again 
limber lion
Just use CB if you're a hater
wooden radish
ass rogues, what WoW lore does deathstalker or fatebound come from?
haughty flicker
Deathstalker are just undead SI:7
main solar
Deathstalkers are the forsaken equivalent of SI:7 basically. Fatebound is just made up.
spice spire
Counterpoint: everything is just made up
main solar
facts
wooden radish
Deathstalkers are the forsaken equivalent of SI:7 basically. Fatebound is just m...
oh nice
haughty flicker
wooden radish
that makes sense for deathstalkers
nice
fatebound yes is just absolute fantasy
could of done swashbuckler to pull from the bloodsail lore
tethys my lord
greatest swashbuckler outlaw of all time
waxen oyster
Too bad they dropped the pirate theme
fleet pagoda
be hard to fit that theme for sin/sub though
waxen oyster
one expansion later
spice spire
Too close to outlaw miss me w that
wooden radish
it could fit for sub i reckon
spice spire
main solar
not wrong though
grim jay
Too close to outlaw miss me w that
so based
haughty flicker
You speak for all of us
spice spire
The peopleâs CF damn
quiet oar
Too close to outlaw miss me w that
raven egret
loud gull
is there a WA to show when u dont have poisons ?
raven egret
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Plenty of them, you can find them wago
loud gull
Plenty of them, you can find them wago
what i found on wago is mostly UI
wooden radish
i like ass
loud gull
same
wooden radish
its that nice chill spec thats like a really comfy chill bed you can always fall back to when everything else is too intense
limber lion
what i found on wago is mostly UI
You can yoink a pack and then take the poison wa from there and delete everything else
People rarely makr standalone weakauras nowadays
loud gull
im using the luxthos group but it doenst shjow for me đŚ
balmy condor
i like ass
đ¤ ass
slate crown
im using the luxthos group but it doenst shjow for me đŚ
My group has poison missing indicators mid-screen, if you take the group you can go into the Heads Up Icons group and pull out the Lethal and Non Lethal poison auras and place them in a group for yourself.
I try to make standalone Wagos where possible but that isn't one I've made.
Generally if a standalone exists inside of a pack, it's a pain to extract and maintain it standalone, from documentation to gifs / screenshots to simply keeping all the export codes in sync, which is why most just make a pack and never go further
dense glen
With the changes for pre patch, I see itâs no longer recommended that you try to line up thistle tea with the end of kingsbane. Am I reading that right? Guide says tea with the first shiv, not the second one (which generally lines up with the last ticks of KB)
normal mist
Yes you are homie
you now want to use one on the opener with shiv to get the CD rolling
loud gull
My group has poison missing indicators mid-screen, if you take the group you can...
in the WA pack or make a new aura by itself ?
normal mist
and then use it with shiv IF you would take full energy from tea, or just use it when starving
dense glen
Is that just because of the KB nerf, itâs less strong so stacking everything on top of it isnât as good?
balmy condor
Yes
slate crown
in the WA pack or make a new aura by itself ?
What I mean is, if you only want the poison reminder auras but don't want the rest of the pack, then you'd create a new aura group by itself to place the poison reminders from the pack in, then delete the rest of the pack.
You don't need to keep the pack if that's all you want. If you want to use the pack instead, you don't have to do anything, just use the pack and they'll be in place.
dense glen
Got it, thanks @balmy condor @normal mist
normal mist
It's so pog when people come here and say "i've been reading the guide and i have this and this doubt"
instead of "YO ROGUE BROKEN?"
clever sapphire
i dont like prepatch, my cooldowns on tindral are not even remotely lined up
hunters doing too much dmg
dense glen
I read the guide, watched the video whispyr just posted. Wasnât explicitly mentioned so I didnât fully understand the nuance of that change. Thanks for setting me straight.
stuck knoll
<@212144638117543947> in typical unga bunga melee fashion, picked up fury super ...
Whatâd I do I was in a movie
loud gull
What I mean is, if you only want the poison reminder auras *but don't want the r...
what pack have that aura?, sorry im dumb af with WA
stuck knoll
Oh ye
slate crown
what pack have that aura?, sorry im dumb af with WA
!wa "LE" below
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According to warcraftlogs Assa outperforms the other specc by far, is that valuable data? And is it the same in M+?
slate crown
what pack have that aura?, sorry im dumb af with WA
You would expand the pack, then expand the Heads Up Icons group, and you're looking for these two auras, which you can take out and put into your own group and rearrange them wherever you like
limber lion
Valuable is an interesting word
slate crown
spice surge
According to warcraftlogs Assa outperforms the other specc by far, is that valua...
If you deeply care about the performance of the specs during prepatch sure
limber lion
Not really valuable, but it is accuratr
spice surge
But keep in mind that when hero talents come into the picture the balance is gonna be completely different
subtle drift
Yeah i only care about prepatch rn
spice surge
Time to roll a hunter then
limber lion
Spear
subtle drift
Already deadge
brazen oasis
anyone knows how to track CB with Inevitability specced? Like the CD. I know it changes the spell ID but if i try it with the new spell ID, it doesnt work. Same with keeping the old Spell ID
buoyant latch
Where is the video link that was mentioned?
loud gull
You would expand the pack, then expand the Heads Up Icons group, and you're look...
how do u take those out ?
buoyant latch
Sorry didnât see it in pins
slate crown
how do u take those out ?
You can click+Drag auras in the list to move them throughout groups. You can also shift+click to multi select
limber lion
Where is the video link that was mentioned?
Which video?
slate crown
You can also use the arrows on the side to move them up/down/out by single clicking each step
normal mist
probably the one that just went live
buoyant latch
lol sorry
normal mist
aka Bonespike in raiding
buoyant latch
Let me find the thread
buoyant latch
I read the guide, watched the video whispyr just posted. Wasnât explicitly menti...
This video?
loud gull
You can click+Drag auras in the list to move them throughout groups. You can als...
and how do i disable that UI, cuz removing children + group removes the poison heads up
buoyant latch
â¤ď¸
grim jay
and how do i disable that UI, cuz removing children + group removes the poison h...
removing children is kinda drastic
I know, they arent as cool as we were back then
loud gull
removing children is kinda drastic
sometimes they deserve it, the rascals they are
grim jay
but they are still humans
grim jay
loud gull
but they are still humans
if i hear 1 more time skibidi toilet im gonna bodyslam a kid
normal mist
I dare you to bodyslam Kidd
grim jay
if i hear 1 more time skibidi toilet im gonna bodyslam a kid
bro I had to google that
and my life just got worse
normal mist
LOL
dense glen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj22rjchPkQ&t=1s
Yep I meant this video from an hour ago.
sonic sun
Hi all new to sin, switched from law(rip). I saw in the pins to macro tea with shiv, is that correct?
balmy condor
No because thatâs not what the pins say
sonic sun
What does it mean?
slate crown
and how do i disable that UI, cuz removing children + group removes the poison h...
This is what I am saying you do. After doing this, you can move your New Poison Group wherever you want to in your aura list, and move it anywhere you want on screen like you would other auras
sonic sun
Copy thanks
unborn yacht
This is what I am saying you do. After doing this, you can move your New Poison ...
holy weakauras batman
balmy condor
What does it mean?
You canât macro it cause you canât guarantee you need energy exactly then, the most important thing is still that you get the maximum energy from it
slate crown
@spice spire I see you
spice spire
slate crown
slate crown
Because I'm here to make sure you're doing ok đŤ
limber lion
đş
loud gull
This is what I am saying you do. After doing this, you can move your New Poison ...
sick! ty so much man â¤ď¸
slate crown
np, let me know if you have other questions
spice spire
Because I'm here to make sure you're doing ok đŤ
Iâm not a sick puppy Iâm just working big dog
slate crown
Iâm not a sick puppy Iâm just working big dog
Doesn't mean I can't check in
raven egret
Arn't we all
normal mist
We're helping you pay the bills tho
everytime you forget the lights on, who do you think is turning them off?
balmy condor
Thatâs a bit of a HIPAA violation homies gonna have to ask you donât do that
HIPAA is a suggestion
haughty flicker
Uh
spice spire
It is definitely not a suggestion
haughty flicker
Itâs a pretty strict suggestion
frozen raptor
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Lmao
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HIPAA is a suggestion
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frozen raptor
lol
haughty flicker
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I have violated HIPAA and I will again
Dog?
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royal lantern
our BM hunter named his pet after our druid tank
and the pet did 8% more total dmg with autohits then the druid
raven egret
But at that point, isn't the tank a hunter's pet too
which, thinking about it further, means the tank's damage is the Hunter's responsibility
normal mist
should have spammed kill command
haughty flicker
Only if it lets hunters use mend pet on the tank
strange comet
i feel %30 more crit with 2x vanish 6 sec, feels greater then ER by itself which gives low altitude 7cp chance
runic hinge
i feel %30 more crit with 2x vanish 6 sec, feels greater then ER by itself which...
these 3 combo points do nothing for you tho
And the 30% crit is only for 3 seconds
raven egret
i feel %30 more crit with 2x vanish 6 sec, feels greater then ER by itself which...
and no, they don't do more than ER. Double vanish is really only 2 early vanish, then its still only 1 every 2 mins
ER flips coins
strange comet
aa yea thats true
royal lantern
i feel %30 more crit with 2x vanish 6 sec, feels greater then ER by itself which...
ER sucks and need the "go into the trashcan" treatment
but MA literally is 4(!!!!) dead talent points in the class tree and 1 in the spec tree
thats 5 points
for 1x more vanish in a fight lol
runic hinge
Don't get me started
raven egret
Don't get me started
Please, tell me more
runic hinge
I should just copy+paste what i wrote last night a dozen times every time someone comes in here to ask about double vanish
zinc willow
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runic helm
any rogue streams for raid tesing going on?
shrewd night
sonic zinc
deathstalker buffs
austere sorrel
I should just copy+paste what i wrote last night a dozen times every time someo...
What did you write?
raven egret
oh wowhead datamine
royal lantern
deathstalker
raven egret
raven egret
royal lantern
shut up daps
limber lion
This pushes it even further
raven egret
Ambush from stealth is such a Sin rogue thing to do, amirite
main solar
Didn't Fatebound get some buffs yesterday though that pushed them closer together, or was that still not enough?
raven egret
OH SHIT WAIT A MIN
haughty flicker
Waiting
raven egret
F-U-N-N-E-L!!!!!!!!!!
rose inlet
can't spell funnel without fun
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Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back
- If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
- Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
- Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
- With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use
jaunty dew
inb4 Whispyr video
normal mist
i hope he still has monster cans at home
ebon notch
This pushes it even further
shame they couldnt make it fun to play
have they fixed it in m+ yet
can you swap the marks
raven egret
So is Fatal Intent moving from flat dmg per stack to dmg based on Versatility
grim jay
shame they couldnt make it fun to play
maybe theyll get to it later as its rather "QoL" than tuning
raven egret
If the marked target dies you get LD
Thats not what was meant by swapping the mark
jaunty dew
Thats not what was meant by swapping the mark
Sorry meant the capstone
grim jay
So is Fatal Intent moving from flat dmg per stack to dmg based on Versatility
no, based on vers and attack power from vers and flat
jaunty dew
Not LD
raven egret
Sorry meant the capstone
DN, but the issue here is that having to constantly re-apply via max CP Envenom is NOT mechanically viable, fun or a thing that should even be a thing.
jaunty dew
DN, but the issue here is that having to constantly re-apply via max CP Envenom ...
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm all up for a better version of it. Heck, even the basis of applying it only from stealthed ambush is silly af, especially in raid env.
fleet pagoda
interesting buff to Momentum of Despair. CT gonna be poppin off... if you can be convinced to play that in keys 
jaunty dew
interesting buff to Momentum of Despair. CT gonna be poppin off... if you can be...
CT is super strong in keys as is
raven egret
no, based on vers and attack power from vers and flat
K k was reading it wrong, not sure it'll change much overall, but it should at least scale now
fleet pagoda
CT is super strong in keys as is
I was referring to deathstalker, not CT
grim jay
interesting buff to Momentum of Despair. CT gonna be poppin off... if you can be...
I found the clear the witnesses buff interesting
jaunty dew
I was referring to deathstalker, not CT
Ah
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Deathstalker Buffs
With these buffs, Deathstalker is likely the play until stuff gets changed or Fatebound gets tuned higher. Going slightly into depth with each change:
Clear the Witness:
Interesting change. Could potentially mean that we always want to FoK once after consuming Deathstalker's Mark. FoK however hits like a wet noodle, so not sure if this is enough to push it. A change to the CP amount gained would have probably done more. We'll try stuff in the apl and see what the sims say.
Deathstalker's Mark:
This is probably the biggest buff to the tree numerically. However it's just a bigger %, so nothing crazy exciting.
Fatal Intent:
I know, it looks like a mistake. The intent is probably to get rid of the flat damage and add AP scaling, but it is just worded weirdly. With AP scaling, it basically means that it will do more damage the more Attack Power (gear) you have, instead of doing a flat amount at all gear levels. So now it scales both with AP and Versatility.
Lingering Darkness:
The talent that everyone loves is now better and more similar to the Dragonflight S2 4p tier set. Bigger number better yeah, shouldn't affect the rotation whatsoever though as the final tick of Kingsbane already lands slightly outside of Deathmark, thus benefitting from this node automatically.
Momentum of Despair:
Critical Strike damage isn't something you see often. Interesting change. Bigger number better.
Singular Focus:
YAY MORE FUNNEL
Symbolic Victory:
Still super useless node, do not play it. Play Lingering Darkness instead.
Deathstalker still plays poorly and increasing the numbers doesn't really address those issues. Hopefully in the future the talent tree itself sees changes and not just numerical tuning. Get ready to play Deathstalker boys, it's starting to look pretty strong.
grim jay
K k was reading it wrong, not sure it'll change much overall, but it should at l...
well it wouldve gotten worse over the course of gear increases otherwise
runic hinge
What did you write?
Basically double vanish is 1 extra vanish in a key regardless of how you play it. And sure you can save some cd waste by having 2 charges or maybe double iron wire a couple times but that still means youâre just holding vanish which will result in less casts not more.
grim jay
## [Deathstalker Buffs](https://www.wowhead.com/news/war-within-beta-class-tunin...
why mistake
the removed flat dmg part and added scaling with ap
jaunty dew
yah I'm dumb, didn't communicate it well
Hey you're a rogue like me, we're both dumb đ
dusk onyx
what talent let me keep stealth bar till i use garrote? is this a bug?
limber lion
the removed flat dmg part and added scaling with ap
Yeah but 0 coefficient screams like it's a mistake.
runic helm
It's weird to me that deathstalker marks are even on the target and not on the player...like they realied shit on the target is bad with original combo points haha
limber lion
0 * (1 + Versatility) does not sound like it works to me
fleet pagoda
0 damage 
runic helm
0 * (1 + Versatility) does not sound like it works to me
Just add a / 0 and we get big dmg
raven egret
Let me see... omg I can solve it!! Thats 0!
grim jay
0 * (1 + Versatility) does not sound like it works to me
kinda just reads like they cut the flat part and afterwards made the scaling change. idk what they usually use the coefficient line for tho
probably the first time ive actively read it
but in theory should atleast be 1 I guess
spice surge
Aint no way they made symbolic victory 15%
bronze pike
deathstalker buffs
spice surge
Brotherman blizzard
That shit needs to be like 50%
To compete with 10% from lingering darkness
dusk onyx
why can i use ambush many times out of stealth till i use 1 time garrote? whats the talent that does this?
spice surge
it now scales with gear
grim jay
But now that lingering is 20%
maybe we just didnt see the tech yet
spice surge
Instead of every stack doing 20k+vers
hoary remnant
any rogue streams for raid tesing going on?
Zerocool is streaming
bronze pike
deathstalker
i love wisp kitty videos, shes so scrungly after she eats
used napkin
rare jackal
Aint no way they made symbolic victory 15% <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
you could say it was a symbolic change
limber lion
it now scales with gear
Yeah that's what I assumed as well, but the 0 coefficient threw me off
slim hamlet
Wait, are you telling me that with these deathstalker buffs, FoK in ST is potentially not a meme anymore?
limber lion
Yes
fallen arch
Fok in st
slim hamlet
limber lion
Honestly, the bigger change they could have done is increase the CP gain from the FoK
fallen arch
Stuff of nightmares