Lorewise kinda impossible
#assassination
normal mist
marble hemlock
normal mist
My eyes ...
marble hemlock
My eyes ...
tulip kelp
LMAO
normal mist
HIS EYES
tulip kelp
https://i.imgur.com/q2k674C.jpeg
i need this on highrez
normal mist
Deep down that dragon just wants to be loved and create friendships
strange python
Is Rogue really looking incredibly ass for TWW ?
strange python
In terms of numbers? Im hearing a lot of negativity
spice surge
If numbers are bad they'll just slap a 20% aura on it and its fine
They have barely even started tuning yet, so worrying about numbers right now doesnt really matter
normal mist
I feel like we had this conversation the whole day
past forum
Is Rogue really looking incredibly ass for TWW ?
Ass certainly is one of the rogue soecs
orchid pewter
Is Rogue really looking incredibly ass for TWW ?
Outlaw kinda broken (in a bad way), assa, sub fine if tuning says so
normal mist
The game play changed after deleting details?
errant trail
normal mist
Smh my head
strange python
I don't care about numbers
strange python
No, that was a question to your statement
I mean in terms of not being the poor cousin of other classes that have had a lot of love
errant trail
it’s okay we accept it
rotund vigil
Surely they won't let us go into TWW this undercooked right? Someone lie to me and say a last minute update is coming.
errant trail
sin down
normal mist
We are indeed one of the classes that unfortunately didn't get as much love as we might have needed (for now)
It's a waiting game now
narrow basalt
Maybe dumb question, but if we dont use the second vanish in the last 3 sec of kingsbane, where do we utilize it? For another burtst rot?
errant trail
if you use second vanish
normal mist
So you use vanish to reapply improved garrote
errant trail
ur hurting urself
spice lagoon
hopefully we get some more love later on down the road
narrow basalt
ok so dont pick up the 2nd vanish talent?
narrow basalt
I see
fleet pagoda
ok so dont pick up the 2nd vanish talent?
yeah it's not especially valuable. especially because the node before it is pretty much a dead node for us
errant trail
narrow basalt
its locked behind a shitty talent? damn..
spice lagoon
1hr 30 min left boys then the servers go live
narrow basalt
I see, ty for informing.
normal mist
We gain more value going e.reprimand than 2nd vanish
spice surge
its locked behind a shitty talent? damn..
Well its a bad talent AND locked behind a completely worthless talent
narrow basalt
wombo combo
normal mist
I see, ty for informing.
Check the last video that Whispyr posted
It might answer you some questions
narrow basalt
aighty
normal mist
Good luck my friend
narrow basalt
Thanks 🏌️
spice lagoon
errant trail
narrow basalt
How have you guys felt about sin rogue in dragon flight? do you guys like the playstyle and/or kingsbane?
marble hemlock
can i get my own role in here whoever is admin?
#bot-spam
vale shore
How have you guys felt about sin rogue in dragon flight? do you guys like the pl...
it's a good spec, very versatile
narrow basalt
it's a good spec, very versatile
do you find it fun tho?
vale shore
yes
north frost
How have you guys felt about sin rogue in dragon flight? do you guys like the pl...
I like it.
I would just ask for a proc that lets you regarote as if from stealth. sucks when you cant restealth for the next pull.
narrow basalt
Me too 🙂 just curious what the general consensus is
vale shore
this is the assassination channel
narrow basalt
I like it.
I would just ask for a proc that lets you regarote as if from stealth...
ah yeah I see what you mean.
vale shore
not the we-hate-assassination channel
spice spire
not the we-hate-assassination channel
That’s what u think
I hate myself
And I play Assassination
That’s a line
marble hemlock
!restealth
prisma monolithBOT
Explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
- Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
- You can add in some sanguine/rupture value from carnage, but chaining allows for higher uptime and smoother energy overall, eliminating a lot of ramp at the start of a pull
- This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths (chain heavy spiteful weeks are only about -30% on stealths)
- You still have vanish and shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
- This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years
north frost
Ive been assassinating peeps in arena. sin hits so hard.
vale shore
you wish you could cast flagellation on yourself?
vale shore
I like that its just tied to rupture now
so you chain it out to three targets right off the bat
spice lagoon
awesome
spice spire
Kinda indiff to it it’s a nice QoL
narrow basalt
**Explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:**
- Garr...
"You still have vanish and shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects" damn you
vale shore
I am never indifferent to QoL improvements
spice spire
Less buttons always good
north frost
but the silence effect
spice spire
Circling back to the hate myself bit
I don’t deserve the quality of life 
I also have P bound so like
What even is
rain mortar
Ive been assassinating peeps in arena. sin hits so hard.
Going to be a lot different without dance my friend - good it’s gone for pve but it’s going to be brutal for pvp
normal mist
i do play SIN
spice spire
Welcome
royal lantern
I don’t deserve the quality of life <a:madgeClap:1003793542298214462>
stop saying that 
normal mist
Circling back to the hate myself bit
How can you hate what so many of us love?
spice lagoon
yo
spice spire
I’m a hater what can I say
spice lagoon
how do i take off sub and outlaw and just make it SIN
spice spire
normal mist
how do i take off sub and outlaw and just make it SIN
go back to that channel, tag off the react on sub and outlaw
royal lantern
I’m a hater what can I say
we all know what a perfect cutie george is, and dogs reflect their owners
you cant hide from us
normal mist
Tryan speaking poetry
shy pecan
muted ridge
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
runic hinge
<:bigbulbsit:881574303815041044>
Why did you extend the maintenance
shy pecan
It’s great, wdym
royal lantern
Why did you extend the maintenance
he is uploading the widest george ever, and it takes up all the processing power
spice spire
Why did you extend the maintenance
Generational hating, frankly
runic hinge
Generational hating, frankly
It’s alright. I’m at work. Can’t play until later anyways
spice spire
Same
raven egret
ok so, because I am evil, here is a post that claims Sin and Outlaw are "very similar"
raven egret
both cast spells
spice surge
"all the specs play around stealth windows" is another reddit classic
raven egret
theres been an upsurge of 'all rogue specs play the same' for reasons I can't even fathom
spice surge
Ye buddy that shadow dance to buff my kingsbane by 10% is what i play around
spice surge
theres been an upsurge of 'all rogue specs play the same' for reasons I can't ev...
Probably people that quit in like legion, have continued watching asmongold style content and just looked at wowhead to see what spells the specs have
Without having any idea how they actually feel to play
nova wolf
I don't play anymore and haven't for 8 years, but I have strong, unshakeable opinions.
runic hinge
I don't play anymore and haven't for 8 years, but I have strong, unshakeable opi...
Basically how every Reddit comment on r/wow starts
spice surge
I can see people saying that the 2 min burst window of assa and sub feels similar, i dont really agree but i can see it
Saying assa and outlaw feels similar is just wild though
normal mist
I can see people saying that the 2 min burst window of assa and sub feels simila...
Every 2 min burst spec RN
raven egret
^ this. So far on the forum we had that one dude that keeps saying everything is absoolutely perfect as it is no questions asked, and the 'all specs are the same' that creeped in
limber lion
Saying assa and outlaw feels similar is just wild though
At that point every spec in the game is the same
cinder bone
Yeah its all generators and spenders and tracking procs
some a little more complicated than others but the fundamental gameplay loops are the same
cinder bone
frost dk is ez mode
severe sparrow
Oh oops i meant to say i didn't vibe with it's flow really
I mean
I also suck at it
cinder bone
is this ability lighting up? press it
i might main frost in tww, the riders hero tree looks so much fun
severe sparrow
I mean you can also probably play most classes at an lfr level if you just hit buttons that light up tbh
runic hinge
You can afk in lfr so I’m not sure what the baseline is
severe sparrow
Not if everyone afks
I mean like you could have the entire group just hitting whatever lights up
nova wolf
when i click on the "rotation" link on wowhead's assa prepatch page, it takes me to spriest page. what are they trying to say with this?
sudden brook
@balmy condor Somebody forgot 
balmy condor
runic hinge
Whisp pushing me to reroll
cinder bone
when i click on the "rotation" link on wowhead's assa prepatch page, it takes me...
Not me
nova wolf
cinder bone
shadow priests are funny because they all hate the design of their class every expansion but it's tuned so well its almost always A tier at least
raven egret
Whisp pushing me to reroll
Wait Whisp is telling me to change class? Damn... I am duty bound...
clever sapphire
it works normally for me? how did you get the SP guide there
nova wolf
rip
clever sapphire
wait what am i doing wrong
runic hinge
shadow priests are funny because they all hate the design of their class every e...
Bro they are dooming hard over there. I wanted to check in cause spriest has been my main alt forever and was thinking of switching but they are down bad with dooming
clever sapphire
why does it take me to the assa pages
cinder bone
Bro they are dooming hard over there. I wanted to check in cause spriest has bee...
Yeah it's my main alt too and the class is perfectly fine and has some of the best animations in the game
runic hinge
Yeah the animations make me wanna switch.
clever sapphire
ah found it nvm
cinder bone
plus if youre a boomer like me holy priest is ez af to play and get ez pug key invites
timid coral
guide is giving this for opener
Cast Vanish in single target during the final 6 seconds of Garrote, and reapply Garrote to benefit from Improved Garrote
and this for subsequent vanish/deathmarks
Cast Vanish before Deathmark to apply Improved Garrote
does this force you to delay second DM a bit to wait for vanish to be back?
clever sapphire
so fun fact, on the outlaw page its linked to assa 
balmy condor
guide is giving this for opener
Cast Vanish in single target during the final 6 ...
yes
nova wolf
so fun fact, on the outlaw page its linked to assa <:dracthyr_kek:10024541367065...
they are basically the same i heard
cinder bone
Outlaw should just link to the other specs should be intended
main solar
They're probably all offset by 1?
shy pecan
that's a backend thing
I’m down for blaming Ellipsis and Publik
main solar
does sub link to outlaw?
main solar
yeah, probably a mess up with an array
cerulean nest
ayo we tea-ing on both shivs or just first?
clever sapphire
but who links to subs page
i cant find that one
i guess none of them are there for sub 
limber lion
ayo we tea-ing on both shivs or just first?
If Shiv active and tea not active and energy low, press tea
:)
rotund vigil
Think finishers will still be four pt minimum, or will the idea be four pt minimum 5 if echoing is on 5th spot ? Curious on echoing gameplay or if it's just total filler and let the rng decide if you hit animacharge pt or not ?
clever sapphire
why did the fix not happen like it does at blizzard
limber lion
Hmm
marble hemlock
what if i have dementia and forget?
balmy condor
NO NO NO NO YOU CANT REPLY WITH SCREENSHOTS
subtle tundra
nova wolf
cerulean nest
also we still using trinket with 11 secs on KB or just with deathmark now?
slim pebble
Oh fuck we playing echoing reprimand 😭
balmy condor
also we still using trinket with 11 secs on KB or just with deathmark now?
with kb like we did in s4
cerulean nest
kk
rotund vigil
sry idk if im blind or some shit i didnt see it under rotation on updated wowhead
rotund vigil
ah its in the pins
balmy condor
it's also in the guide
limber lion
Have you clarified what AoE means in the guide
balmy condor
no and I cba
limber lion
Or are we gonna get dumbos
balmy condor
rotation tool is so omega dogshit
limber lion
Good
rotund vigil
it's also in the guide
?
balmy condor
oh you're talking about the echoing reprimand cp
yeh I guess I didn't mention those
limber lion
Goes below the CP linr there
rotund vigil
yea ER was what i was focused on my b for not clarifying im sure youre sick of answering the same dumb shit
merry onyx
hey guys between sin and sub is there a general idea between what we want for raid or m+ or is it all about the same do what we please
limber lion
Go next
balmy condor
all those togglers actually make me suicidal
limber lion
hey guys between sin and sub is there a general idea between what we want for ra...
Do what you want homeboy
balmy condor
hey guys between sin and sub is there a general idea between what we want for ra...
depends what tuning is like in 6 weeks I guess
merry onyx
yea hadnt seen anything really one way or the other as being just better even with out numbers behind it all, thanks
limber lion
Super preference
hoary remnant
yea hadnt seen anything really one way or the other as being just better even wi...
if you ask this question the numbers dont matter. Play what playstyle you enjoy more. 🙂
errant trail
@balmy condor
if i’m already in stealth
do i use vanish just to reapply empower carrot
garrote *
balmy condor
if you're already in stealth it would be pointless to vanish
normal mist
Idk if troll or not
short flint
if you garrote a non empowered one after you active deathmark does it replace the replicated garrote too?
spice lagoon
Are we active yet
normal mist
Vanish = forced stealth @errant trail
spice surge
if you garrote a non empowered one after you active deathmark does it replace th...
The deathmark garrote matches your regular one
So yes if you vansih garrote and refresh a normal garrote during deathmark both garrotes will be empowered
spice lagoon
So you gotta vanish then do death mark
normal mist
No
balmy condor
you don't have to
short flint
its dynamic yeah?
spice surge
If you have an empowered garrote and deathmark both are empowered too
short flint
yeah cool
spice lagoon
What else can I do
spice lagoon
What other dynamic is there
balmy condor
vanish during deathmark works fine
you lose like 1-2 seconds of garrote it's whatever
as long as its not like 8 seconds in
spice lagoon
You are assuming 8 sec into the fight?
normal mist
you lose like 1-2 seconds of garrote it's whatever
Are we vanishing only after 2 mins or delaying DM to fit that vanish garr DM?
balmy condor
you delay a bit
balmy condor
You are assuming 8 sec into the fight?
what
I'm talking about deathmark
what are you talking about
normal mist
whispyr ignored my valid question
I believe in you
normal mist
You are assuming 8 sec into the fight?
You do the opener, and vanish to refresh when your emp garrote is in the pandemic window. Later in the fight you wait a bit for both dm and vanish to be off CD and go into burst phase again
short flint
or, if your in m+ you shadowmeld and pray after about 35 seconds
runic hinge
Let's not bring race passives into this
It’s an active 
coral stratus
So by pushing our cds back a but to get the emp garrote under dm we are a solid 2:15 (ish) spec instead of a 2min
normal mist
Thank you Tony, I do mix them up
normal mist
So by pushing our cds back a but to get the emp garrote under dm we are a solid ...
That might be the case yes, I have a strange feeling it's something we did before, just can't remember in which expansion / season
coral stratus
Yea I recall similar in the past. It's gross but damage is damage
spice surge
So by pushing our cds back a but to get the emp garrote under dm we are a solid ...
Well the next time you'd use it as 4:15, since vanish and deathmark is already lined up
But on a fight like tindral you'd just hold your first vanish to make sure you have the damage you need at roughly 2 min anyway
sudden brook
There is only so much articulation you can do in a rotational guide
normal mist
Having trouble writing stuff Guy?
coral stratus
Well the next time you'd use it as 4:15, since vanish and deathmark is already l...
True only one delay the rest are synced.
balmy condor
chat are we cooked
marble hemlock
slate scaffold
runic hinge
I’m gonna get home from work and do some cooking
normal mist
chat are we cooked
Define cooked
errant trail
royal lantern
runic hinge
short flint
so subterfuge actually does nothing yeah? like literally nothing other than ambush?
normal mist
Yep
spice lagoon
severs back on?
short flint
yeah so first gcd ambush for deathstalker than you garrote and subterfuge is a dead talent
spice lagoon
man its 7:00 est here
hexed willow
chat are we cooked
i thought you were supposed to tell us that
strange python
yep. so 8 your time. Hopefully.
short flint
Deadly precision.. does that make a garrote have increased 5% crit for its entire duration? and kingsbane?
short flint
yeah ive been running leathality and acrobatic instead of tea for high m+ and its been good
nice. Thanks!
limber lion
Tea kinda good for mythic+ and eapecially big packs though
But if you cba pressing it then yeah fuck it
short flint
you dont need tea on big packs. all the ruptures and garrotes keep you in energy
you fall behind a bit on st tho
slim pebble
How many keybinds do we gain today?
unborn yacht
We get echo and lose dance
slim pebble
Bone spike too?
unborn yacht
passive
royal lantern
dance was no keybind tbh
slim pebble
Wut. This is the best
short flint
1% of my hp every 3 sec. 5 minutes and ill be ready to go again
unborn yacht
1% of my hp every 3 sec. 5 minutes and ill be ready to go again
Blizz will nerf that.
sick sail
Hey sorry been working a lot, any new updates on rogue? Sry to ask a lot, just very excited when something new comes up
It’s been maybe a week since I checked
royal lantern
Hey sorry been working a lot, any new updates on rogue? Sry to ask a lot, just v...
nope
unborn yacht
At this point I think the best we can hope for is numbers tuning. Were stuck with the coin flip until next tier
normal mist
Wut. This is the best
Finally someone who understands me
rotund vigil
chat are we cooked
If by cooked you mean undercooked, yes 🤣
spice lagoon
Blizz will nerf that.
dont say that we dont neeed no more nerfs
onyx scroll
regal chasm
chat, real talk
are we fcked or could we get a rework in. in the month left
spice lagoon
give it time brother thats what the others say
atleast a month too see what happens
limber lion
you dont need tea on big packs. all the ruptures and garrotes keep you in energy
In packs you use it for the mastery, not the energy.
Pretty massive stat boost
short flint
20% crit dmg bonus is pretty big too but the main reason is acrobatic. everythings a 1 shot eventually in m+. its a pretty big safety buffer especially without cd
unborn yacht
chat, real talk
are we fcked or could we get a rework in. in the month left
legit 56 days until M+/Mythic release. There will be changes, dont hold your breath for a "rework" though.
spice lagoon
20% crit dmg bonus is pretty big too but the main reason is acrobatic. everythin...
i seen that i really like that
limber lion
I personally think Acro is completrly useless
And the extra range is getting removed anyways
So gg
bronze pike
spice surge
Ye new acro is not very good
short flint
yes it matters not now but 18 and 19 keys were death traps, especially something like BH where alot of trach has melee targeted mechanics and when tanks kite that leaves only you
limber lion
Having Acro or not there does nothing
spice lagoon
im still gonna pray for some positive changes for rogue
limber lion
But yeah got a few more weeks until it's deleted from the game
So enjoy it while you can I guess
spice surge
Few more weeks? 
short flint
agree to disagree.. but putting acro aside. 20% dmg bonus to crit dmg on your final ticks of kingsbane is alot. 13% mastery is a lot too but i doubt the difference is enourmous. im already running 90% mastery
spice surge
Well its not 20% more damage
limber lion
Tea is probably the biggest node in the class tree
Maybe mext to Vigor
But you do you
short flint
well your at 80% crit so
spice lagoon
how do i take the outlaw role off
spice surge
New acro seems to be a whopping 0.3% dps in sims on singletarget, very cool
past forum
how do i take the outlaw role off
I think it auto removes when you become old (24)
pale nexus
eh?
normal mist
Loool
spice lagoon
dang man
spice lagoon
@balmy condor can you remove the outlaw role and keep the SIN , i tried the bot thing but didn't work
spice lagoon
what else do i gotta do
spice lagoon
bruh i dont see nothing about taking this role off
spice lagoon
thank you .
limber lion
Np
spice lagoon
COO
limber lion
Red best color
short flint
I thikn ironwire might only work with subterfuge after reading the tooltips which is kind of awkward
spice surge
Red best color
Yet you arent red, curious
spice surge
I thikn ironwire might only work with subterfuge after reading the tooltips whic...
No it works with improved garrote
short flint
for real? ok thats a relief
spice surge
Nvm im silly, but ye it works with imp garrote
spice surge
Soon brother, soon
Too ominious
limber lion
All the functionality was baked into Improved Garrote
short flint
so ironwire reads as "when used from stealth" and imp garrote says for 6 sec after stealth but sub says it allows abilities and combat benifits (whatever that is) that require stealth
so wasnt sure but if not need sub thats a win
spice surge
so ironwire reads as "when used from stealth" and imp garrote says for 6 sec aft...
Well it doesnt give any combat benefits despite saying that it does
spice surge
It doesnt give MA
limber lion
It was fixed?
spice surge
Was it?
limber lion
Not too long ago it did
spice lagoon
LOL
spice surge
Its still listed as bugged on the sheet but idk
limber lion
I should be sleeping but can't sleep
spice lagoon
;ler
spice surge
It also doesnt work with shadowrunner, shadowheart or shadow focus (sub)
But if it works with MA thats good
limber lion
I might get them confused the other way around because it's late
Probably doesn't work but should
Rather than does work but shouldn't
cinder bone
will be shocked if its not down all night
short flint
30% crit does sound like a 'combat benifit' to me
limber lion
Tooltips are not really anything to pay attention to
They are very consistently flawed
short flint
they need advanced tooltips so u can see explicit interaction of how it works
limber lion
Subterfuge is just a very massive pile of mess
The code is awful
A million branches and conditionals
spice lagoon
Twitter
short flint
i honestly think if they had left shadowdance the way it was. got rid of nightstalker. made kingsbane 50 stacks like they have and instead just slightly buffed its damage to reflect the nightstalker change the spec would have felt so much better in m+
spice surge
People vastly overestimate how much the dance matters for m+
limber lion
All changes they did were good ones
short flint
the shadowdance change is a pain in the balls. its the only way i get stealth benifits on chain pulls which is like half pulls
limber lion
Dance removal eats a bit from the flow of the spec but not that much
spice surge
Most of the time you shouldnt even spread your bleeds during it, better to make sure your kingsbane did full damage
sudden brook
short flint
yeh but when they chain pull i shiv mut envonom then use dance to open kingsbane on the new target into double garrote envenom
then fok rupture or something. the point is i can spread bleeds while getting a kingsbane going
enoughf or energy
limber lion
Even on chainpulls you can very often get a restealth in with good positioning
Unless the tank chainpulla when mobs are 50% hp
short flint
sometimes yeah. sometimes now
unborn yacht
go nightelf, forehead
short flint
alot of pulling onto bosses
spice surge
Idk the stealth thing is mostly a feels thing
Like most of the time you are getting your restealths anyway, even if you do the worst chain possible because of rp in a lot of keys
limber lion
Boss is a different thing, but that's again not something where IC Dance matters
short flint
i dont see how it hurt the spec to leave it. they could have called it something different if they saw it as a shadow thing. It is a flow thing but its an important flow thing. groups have a tolerance limit for you asking stealth all teh time
prisma monolithBOT
Explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
- Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
- You can add in some sanguine/rupture value from carnage, but chaining allows for higher uptime and smoother energy overall, eliminating a lot of ramp at the start of a pull
- This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths (chain heavy spiteful weeks are only about -30% on stealths)
- You still have vanish and shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
- This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years
short flint
you need the energy
spice surge
No
spice surge
You can have 3 bleeds up without IC
fleet pagoda
it might not be necessary but it doesn't feel lit spending 3 globals to get a rupture out in aoe compared to 9 bleeds in the same globals
limber lion
It's tailormade for you
limber lion
it might not be necessary but it doesn't feel lit spending 3 globals to get a ru...
Absolutely, it's a feels thing not a major dps thing.
But yeah dance was played on all 3 specs which was weird
And adding it on the Assa tree doesn't feel right either
distant geode
so am a noob sin rogue here(coming from shadow) what do we do if we can't get re's? just manually apply garrotes on cd?
fleet pagoda
but stealth as a mechanism to activate bleed spread is so free, and the random times we can't get it vanish is there. we really in a good spot only losing agency now and then
limber lion
so am a noob sin rogue here(coming from shadow) what do we do if we can't get re...
Yes and ruptures and CT and whatnot
Normal rotation
It's okay if it takes 7 seconds instead of 2
lone parrot
did they just extend another 2 hours?
distant geode
ye
lone parrot
jesus
past forum
It sucks when tanks do gigabad chain pulls, like leaping to the next pack with 1 mob at 5% hp, but honestly that pull pattern is bad for everyone else too
limber lion
But that's when you can restealth though
fleet pagoda
It sucks when tanks do gigabad chain pulls, like leaping to the next pack with 1...
it's not bad unless that pull is close by, otherwise you can just finish that and move on
past forum
Not always
limber lion
By not engaging the new pack
Literally always
If it's 5%
Literally always
It's a matter of positioning
If tank pulls ahead, stay behind and wait for the pack to die then stealth and go
Just because tank is in combat with the new pack, does not mean you are
fleet pagoda
make it more like 40% hp and one mob and i'm on board though, that gets the preparation h sales from me
past forum
I mean it’s possible but not always, but like really that wasn’t even the point of my statement at all. I was saying that bad pull patterns aren’t something that affect ass more than other dps
short flint
it still smooths things out a lot without a downside. its not like shadowdance (as you pointed out) was making the spec op (once you remove nightstalker)
we get stuck with snd as a gcd keybind but lose something like shadowdance thats actually a good qol
spice surge
Having something more easily accessible inevitably means it has to be tuned lower
short flint
personally i think they just make vanish a 1 min cd rather than 2 stacks
sudden brook
Thats basically the same thing..?
short flint
yeah
limber lion
But at that point why even remove Dance
short flint
it is
limber lion
Lol
short flint
i dunno i mean we had dance + vanish so losing dance and making vanish 1 min is still a change that reduced keybinds by 1
limber lion
I do agree that Dance was a good button and I'm sad to see it go
short flint
2 stacks of vanish is like.. you use 2 on pull then 1 for the rest of the dungeon so what does it accomplish>?
limber lion
Nothing
It's a dead node for us
But for classes that are not 2min classes might get something tiny out of it
inland jacinth
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
sudden brook
They could also put more power into stealth for sin with a tier set, or later changes to the tree
Could make that 2nd charge actually do something
Bt for rn it doesnt do much
fleet pagoda
there's gonna be a riot if we get incentivized to go through two points into subt
limber lion
That's not happening no worries
Unless they add the classic "15% more dam while stealthed" on the vanish node
Even then still probably dead
Lol
past forum
Idk if I’m in the minority but I wouldn’t hate having nearly 0 dps connected to stealth and instead just for the utility it offers
short flint
get rid of snd and make melee 50% faster baseline. make vanish 1 min. make master assin last 6 sec with subterfuge so going down into 1 min vanish feels good. make cold blood something interesting. thats i think all i got when i look at it to smooth it out
sudden brook
I like that stealth does dmage, at least a bit
limber lion
Vanish utility is super in the past, we've been using it as a cd for so so many years now
I like that it does both
Personally I like that it does A LOT or nothing
Getting 3s of 50% MA with it in the past wasn't it
fleet pagoda
what we really need is enemies to pickpocket again. this is like the third expansion in a row now where enemies got no pockets 
where's my 10 copper
limber lion
Well they promised us pickpocket buffs in SL
past forum
Those damn jeggings
limber lion
But forgot to add it
spice spire
limber lion
They nerfed Crimson Vial
spice surge
I personally would prefer if IC was removed and improved garrote was significantly stronger, but evidently blizzard and/or the playerbase at large doesnt really like that type of multidotting anymore
limber lion
But forgot to add the pickpocket functionality
limber lion
I personally would prefer if IC was removed and improved garrote was significant...
Same. Realz said that it's a dead archetype however and won't probably ever make a return
Multidotting manually that is
spice spire
Need to grungle some npcs of their cash
sudden brook
Im so glad that pickpocket shit died
limber lion
Im so glad that pickpocket shit died
Shouldn't have touched vial though
Vial was so good in bfa
spice surge
Same. Realz said that it's a dead archetype however and won't probably ever make...
Idk i think it could work in keys in combination with talents like sudden demise, but ye i know
limber lion
Yeah I agree, would be sick. I love the bleed build with SD interaction and Zoldyck and AP and CT and everything
fleet pagoda
I still have throwing knives in my bank
spice spire
Ofc I want ammunition
fleet pagoda
I got the ammo already
spice spire
limber lion
Yeah I agree, would be sick. I love the bleed build with SD interaction and Zold...
@spice surge
spice spire
Whoah
spice spire
That’s an avengers level talent
limber lion
Too bad that stop happening in higher keys
But with a stronger garrot
Maybe one day
short flint
is the bleed build competitive now if you dont go into caustic? i tried it with internal bleeding and spreading rupture and it wasnt aweful but not nearly as good. it did like 7% overall but with the tier set its a stupid idea. without tier set and kingsbane changes is it viable?
spice surge
You always go caustic for aoe
limber lion
Yoy always play Spatter
waxen oyster
I love pressing my AOE bleed Shiv when mobs are like 30% ho
Me on bursting week in everbloom
limber lion
Even with bleed builds
waxen oyster
and the evoker dies every one of them
short flint
well my thoughts were now you have IB + bone spike so if that adds up to like 15% or something in a world without the tier bonus and the reduced kingsbane whats the dif between them
distant geode
so is bleed build the one with sudden demise?
limber lion
Anything but 1 target you go Spat
short flint
was more my thought provessa
strange python
Spatt on that thang 
fleet pagoda
so is bleed build the one with sudden demise?
and AP, yeah
limber lion
well my thoughts were now you have IB + bone spike so if that adds up to like 15...
But the IB doesn't really do anything
I get your thinking with the cool interaction
short flint
its about 6-7% overall with 500k overall dps
limber lion
But it's bad
You will press Rupture the same amount
With or without IB
And Spatter just does better deeps always
Spatter is just too good
There is no competition
short flint
atm yeh it does heaps more. without 4p and with bonespike i was wondering how the gap closes
its prob spatter tho like ur saying
- burst aoe is generally always better
limber lion
atm yeh it does heaps more. without 4p and with bonespike i was wondering how th...
But why would SBS close the gap?
spice surge
That’s an avengers level talent
Technically you can make a timewalking set with 3x shrouded still and just glock everything in those instances 
limber lion
If nothing else, SBS makes Spattet even better
Fadter finishers means more Envenoms
The faster you get ruppies up, the faster you slam the spatter target with envies
short flint
well it probably doesnt close much. im not disagreeing that i think spatter will end up still been much better. was just thinking outloud looking at the talent tree and imaging a world without tier set
also a world with smaller kingsbane and prob no pi :/
limber lion
No in fact it widens the gap even mote
Just wondering about the thought process
That's all
It's all good
limber lion
also a world with smaller kingsbane and prob no pi :/
A world with no PI and tiny KB sounds like a paradise
short flint
I only came back to the game recently, i finally learned the new rotation and broke 5m dps for the first time last night on the first pack in AA with aug/priest group and a proper kingsbane.. just in time things to change 😛
i like kingsbane with the dmg more normalized and no pi sounds great i agree
atm (at least for me) i get very wide results with KB in m+
short flint
on the big pulls with lust i go anywhere from 6-11m and i dont know what im doing different half the time
dark token
Idk PI still being good but not being the best target
ye it makes logging cringe
cause you have people who get PI suboptimally perma gapping u
if ur guild uses PI efficiently
limber lion
Idk PI still being good but not being the best target
Agreed
limber lion
They need to make PI a 3 min cd
So it dies for us
What a dream
Or just remove it
short flint
i think pi makes priest to strong. in an tank dps shadow aug healer group its like a 2 min lust for 100% of the dps being buffed by an aug
dark token
limber lion
Please
dark token
They need to make PI a 3 min cd
dk mains 👀
limber lion
i think pi makes priest to strong. in an tank dps shadow aug healer group its li...
Makes sense why the best comps are aug shadow dps tank healer
short flint
yeah
short flint
the fact shadow not only give pi but has soothe, md and the best dmg is kind of broken
lone parrot
oh yo nicklah
spice surge
Idk people yap about synergy all the time, but the reason priest is the best is mostly just due to it being tuned SIGNIFICANTLY higher than anything else
lone parrot
my oce brudda
limber lion
Very much so
limber lion
Otherwise you would be playing any priest
dark token
its always dps > all
limber lion
But you want the shadow
dark token
spriest just happens to have top dps and top utility
and delusional devs not nerfing it
cant believe how bad blizz fuck up m+ balance this expac
same comp 3 seasons in a row
spice surge
Probably realized all the fotm andies already rerolled and were just gonna quit if what they rerolled to aint the best
And everybody else aint playing s4 anyway
S3 was fine
short flint
sin was actually pretty good this season... it can replace the mage in the meta comp.. does more overall dmg but doesnt survive aswell and doesnt have mass barrier
dark token
if they want people to play they need to actually tune m+ correctly
dark token
sin was actually pretty good this season... it can replace the mage in the meta ...
sin was ok
warlock mage sp aug all better
ret also
short flint
no way way ret or mage does more overall than sin (in a meta comp with aug + pi)
lone parrot
short flint
warlock maybe
short flint
dude theres like 3 ppl playing sin
waxen oyster
All I’m saying
short flint
vs 1m playing ret
waxen oyster
is aug is the problem
short flint
most sin players will be playing raid builds in a none pi/aug groups while most pallys will have legendary
you need to take the top 0.1% and compare
dark token
no way way ret or mage does more overall than sin (in a meta comp with aug + pi)
ret is slightly higher overall but its less useful dps cause not prio yes
but they give way more util
short flint
no way ret is higher then a proper group
dark token
with sacs, offheals, bops, freedoms
lone parrot
dude theres like 3 ppl playing sin
that means I can brag about being top 3 ass rogue in oce, despite there being only 2 ass rogues in oce
limber lion
ret is slightly higher overall but its less useful dps cause not prio yes
I mean prio dps ain't necessarily always better
dark token
you need to take the top 0.1% and compare
this graphic is comparing the top 0.1%...
short flint
i do like 2-4m dps every 2 mins on trash
dark token
its like only keys 19+
limber lion
It's very good to also delete packs
waxen oyster
that means I can brag about being top 3 ass rogue in oce, despite there being on...
Oce lucky nibren doesnt do keys
limber lion
The less pressure on the tank, the better
Espdcially in TWW with all the tank changes
spice surge
All the "aug is gonna be mandatory forever" andies are gonna be real surprised next season when a resto shaman + melee grugg ends up being strong
dark token
ye i could beat ret in almost all my keys sure
doesnt mean sin does more than ret if both played perfect
fleet pagoda
did final verdict get put back in it's place? it was like the best spell in the game at the end of s3 lol
limber lion
All the "aug is gonna be mandatory forever" andies are gonna be real surprised n...
Can't wait
waxen oyster
No you can still cast it from a mile away
waxen oyster
and it can still proc a free hammer
dark token
cant wait for ele to rise
short flint
100% i can beat any ret in any key if i have aug/pi and the pulls are designed around 2 mins vs a ret with whatever setup he wants. mage its much closer and prob depends on tyran or not cause sin ST on long fights falls way behind
fleet pagoda
No you can still cast it from a mile away
I didn't mean from an accessibility standpoint, ret was super high on volocross damage and almost all that damage was verdict as an example of it's power in just slappin st
spice surge
Windfury gangsters
Prot warr, rogue, survival, frost dk, resto shaman
You heard it here first
short flint
yeh im looking forward to shaman in my group
spice surge
Caster comps be like "heh look at all our synergy heh" while this comp goes "ME SMASH"
limber lion
I was thinking rogue, frost and monk to buff all the melee andies even further
Oogabooga melee
limber lion
Or rogue, dh, monk, war, sham
waxen oyster
Unholy more fun
limber lion
Dank
spice surge
Maybe but monk is famously a windfury hater
haughty flicker
if my guild didnt already have 3 fucking dks i'd be tempted to swap back
lone parrot
hard disagree with you on that one
waxen oyster
breath of sindragosa
spice surge
Can do brewmaster + arms though
waxen oyster
miss me
limber lion
That is very true
short flint
the other problem with metas is atm, melee is so much more dangerous than ranged.. normally thats offset my melee doing a bit more dmg or having a bit more cc with shorter interrupts but with how it works now when any disrupt resets the icd of trash abilities ranged dominate
lone parrot
my guild aint running any rogues except me, and only 1 dk. So I might be running a double toon next season
short flint
yeh u dont
spice surge
That is very true
Brew + havoc + arms + rogue + shaman 🚀 🌕
lone parrot
yeah but im not a dumbass, so i usually get a spot in mythic and raid
haughty flicker
im a dumbass and still get a spot
waxen oyster
Well in most guilds you can play anything
limber lion
Brew + havoc + arms + rogue + shaman 🚀 🌕
I'm ready
haughty flicker
it isnt a disqualifier fortunately
spice surge
Juice me up
waxen oyster
as long as you’re a half decent player
limber lion
lone parrot
i have 6 simultaneously running instances of hekili and maxdps, i cant fail
slim pebble
Do acceptable damage and dont chimp on mechanics
I can only offer unacceptable damage and half chimp mechanics
short flint
lol yeah, 50% of the time i dont die on cds 100% of the time
spice surge
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No PI though, guess its gonna have to be sub
lone parrot
i had a rage fit after an evoker flew me from the back of the group into the tank pull so i couldnt stealth
couldnt tell if trolling or braindead
bronze pike
did final verdict get put back in it's place? it was like the best spell in the ...
ya
ret tuning rough in tww
short flint
they also need a way to redeem your cds when trash dies quickly. like a sudden demise for kingsbane. everyone else gets cds they can carry over
limber lion
No PI though, guess its gonna have to be sub
Gg
bronze pike
i expect a exodus of ret fotmers who rolled for damage
lone parrot
how many people rerolling to fire/arcane mage because googling "tww dps tier list" told them they were overpowered
waxen oyster
i expect a exodus of ret fotmers who rolled for damage
When its a low mob count dungeon and the ret is talented into right side
limber lion
they also need a way to redeem your cds when trash dies quickly. like a sudden d...
That's why KB needs to et hit so that won't happen or it won't feel as bad
Remove KB
runic hinge
Make exsang aoe
lone parrot
uncap CT
dark token
CT is uncapped buddy
limber lion
MONKAS
dark token
We had that
lone parrot
doesnt it max at 100 percent?
dark token
It was both good and bad
short flint
it was 8 targets wasnt it on 45sec
dark token
Yes
limber lion
doesnt it max at 100 percent?
Yeah the damage scaling is capped
short flint
it should be uc on stealth and vanish should be like 30sec cd. without nightstalker ALL vanish becomes is a way to put up instant bleeds and then u just balance around garrotes dmg
lone parrot
MORE
spice surge
Yep lets give all specs shadowcrash or primal wrath
Why have specs be different
When they could instead all be the same
short flint
its not the same. shadow crash is upfront, we still apply bleeds that ramp and lose dmg if stuff dies early
lone parrot
deal so much damage in a single pull that the game crashes
short flint
telling the aug and priest to wait 10 seconds before pi/breath lol
haughty flicker
shadow crash does upfront damage but thats not where its actual value comes from
short flint
(just let me set up)
haughty flicker
its value is applying dots in aoe
limber lion
Yeah man is talking about applications
short flint
yeh ok mb
spice surge
Well the bleeds just wouldnt do damage then
limber lion
Ye
spice surge
Like spriest dots
ebon quest
why do we run master assassin in M+ build still?
ebon quest
oh....the build in the pins shows we do
spice surge
We do, but theres no good alternative really
ebon quest
but i was having a tough time figuring out why
short flint
I played sin in BFA when u had to manually apply 1 rupture and garrote to each target and it was fine and i didnt mind it but now they pushed toward more aoe coming from envenom/kb/caustic so it become more essential to get bleeds out quick and fast so u stay competitive on aoe dmg
spice surge
Like you have the choice of imp poison, MA, vicious venoms or fatal concoction
spice surge
Its MA because the alternatives are bad, not because MA is good
limber lion
For all the KB fanatics
ebon quest
ahh i gotcha
limber lion
I played sin in BFA when u had to manually apply 1 rupture and garrote to each t...
I mean, not really. It's always been critical to get your bleeds up asap
That's always been the #1 thing to do
Nothing's changed there
It's just so much faster now automatically because of IC
ebon quest
okay sorry for the stupid question here....but was SBS reworked to be a passive ability based off rupture application now?
limber lion
Previously the bleeds were the thing doing a major bulk of yoyr dam
limber lion
okay sorry for the stupid question here....but was SBS reworked to be a passive ...
Yes
short flint
i might be overthinking it. i felt like shadowdance was such a wonderful qol that smoothed everything out so well. its an extra button so just reducing vanish cd is fine by me
limber lion
You're gonna have a bad time with no acro and no dance
short flint
did they buff the baseline melee range when they got rid of acro
limber lion
I probs won't notice the difference
No
Everyone's got smol arms now
Even Outlaw
They buffed BF's range to compensate
short flint
wasnt the justification in the patch notes 'everything has kind of been made larger now anyway so its kind of pointless keeping this talent'
limber lion
But that's it
spice surge
Even Outlaw
Especially outlaw
limber lion
*Especially* outlaw <:kekman:1069601603860037723>
It's true 
limber lion
wasnt the justification in the patch notes 'everything has kind of been made lar...
Idk always thought it was a useless talent personally
Just a crutch for some people
short flint
acro makes such a dif on pulls like the trash before last boss in AA. i know u can go stairs but ppl just grip it all together where it is. BH has all the melee only mechanics they will only target you if tank kites. the extra 3 yards lets you get so much closer to your safe range when u need to move out
limber lion
If BF range didn't increase with it, I'd be playing Grappling Hooks all day long in BFA and SL as an Outlaw
spice surge
wasnt the justification in the patch notes 'everything has kind of been made lar...
Well they said that but thats not true, but the other justification where they said attacking at that range looks stupid because youre not even close to hitting the boss is true
short flint
acro lets u keep attacking the wilted oak during slam or treemouth during grip
spice surge
Obviously acro was good, but the game was played for like 16 years without it
short flint
or makes tanks say screw it and take a mage
runic hinge
Acro was nice for longer kick range. Otherwise it was pretty whatever
spice surge
We'll be fine
limber lion
acro lets u keep attacking the wilted oak during slam or treemouth during grip
Yeah that's gonna be the final straw
Rogue that does 100k more dps but can't hit during slam
Smh
Get them out of here
fleet pagoda
just throw a knife. ezpz
short flint
its just 1 example. like wilted has highest hp so its what u pop cds into
not moving out is nice. waiting 20 sec to pop cds is dumb
bronze pike
dont let outlaw dooming convince you that rogue is unplayable without acro
it'll be fine
limber lion
not moving out is nice. waiting 20 sec to pop cds is dumb
Or you cd, do mechanic in less than 1s then continue
runic hinge
acro lets u keep attacking the wilted oak during slam or treemouth during grip
Evasion the slam and then take the grip for your tank and cloak so he doesn’t get shield. Ez
Use your buttons
short flint
normally wyrmstone. but anyway were getting bogged in semantics. point is it was another qol being removed
limber lion
A crutch which should have never been introduced in the first place
It's easy to add stuff like Acro, more baseline movement speed, higher jump height and whatnot, than it is to eventually have to remove them.
short flint
while im on the topic of unpopular opinons im also of the opinion that rogues should only have 1 resource to manage and that should be combo points. i thnk energy is kind of an outdated model and it should be like ranged dps that basically are mana neutral outside of utility spells
limber lion
That's why devs take a very long time before adding something that makes the gameplay feel a lot easier and smoother, because taking it away is gonna feel like shut to whoever used it
spice surge
It's easy to add stuff like Acro, more baseline movement speed, higher jump heig...
and defensives
limber lion
Yup
limber lion
while im on the topic of unpopular opinons im also of the opinion that rogues sh...
That is definitely an unpopular opinion
short flint
yeah i know
limber lion
A lot of us in here want much more focus on energy management
Why do you want to make all specs play the same lol
I dob't get it
short flint
i hate waiting for energy to tick up. i feel like it makes haste a stat that makes my class more engaging to play in a feedback sense where as i think stats should be things that arnt tied to how fun your class is but how much dmg you do in dif situations
limber lion
Haste doesn't really do much though
short flint
but i realize im probably in a group of 1 in this opinion
limber lion
Unless you get A LOT of it, like with Lust
Gcd doesn't change
During cds even without lust you're energy capped
Like idk why people think haste suddenly makes the spec better and faster
short flint
yeh i know but it feels good not to wait for energy ticks, its faster paced and more fluid. im not saying it should do more dmg, just that we should be able to cast non stop to fluidity and tie our resource management to combo points only
limber lion
30% more haste congrats you're now 59 apm instead of 58
limber lion
yeh i know but it feels good not to wait for energy ticks, its faster paced and ...
But there's no management to be made with combo points
short flint
personal opinion tho. not looking to change anyones mind
limber lion
Building and spending at max-1 everytime ain't really interesting
There's no thinking involved
With energy management you have to think about when cds are up, how much energy each spell costs
With cp management there's nothing else but "I'm 4cp, so I'll wait to press Garrote in Pandemic for 5cp before finishing"
Which then comes back to energy management
Because you can't do that if you're energy capped
And you cannot do that if you have infinite energy
Because it would waste gcds
short flint
yes i said it was a personal opinion. i dont like the feeling of waiting. it only happens on st but i think its disruptive to the flow of combat. personal opinion
nova wolf
yes i said it was a personal opinion. i dont like the feeling of waiting. it onl...
play ww monk
short flint
I like assination rogue. thats why i think about how i would liek to imrpove it. because i like it
anyway moving on
nova wolf
fair enough. I just suggested that because it sounded like you were describing ww monk
limber lion
I like assination rogue. thats why i think about how i would liek to imrpove it....
I'm interested in your vision of combo point management
What does that mean to you?
limber lion
fair enough. I just suggested that because it sounded like you were describing w...
Yeah exactly, which is why I find it weird whenever people suggest stuff that other specs in the game already do
Like applying all Ruptures at once, not having energy and whatnot
shy pecan
Wise old Eleemo kinda said it best: If you have energy all the time to hit buttons, what’s the point of having energy?
limber lion
Wise old Eleemo kinda said it best: If you have energy all the time to hit butto...
Yeah, which is what Nicklah said that he would like to see removed
And something that I do not personally understand at all
So I'd like to hear his thoughts
shy pecan
Yeah. Basically turns you almost like an melee arcane mage (sorta) or boomkin because it’s just build until you need to spend.
limber lion
It's basically just a Windwalker Monk
shy pecan
I forgotten how impactful energy is for them so couldn’t make that comparison 😛
limber lion
I think both energy and combo points are mandatory for the spec to work and be interesting to minmax
Remove energy and it's just brainless 111211132111411121312
Remove CP and
Yeah
That's not a thing
spice lagoon
literally
limber lion
Even stuff like Mutilate crit rng and procs make the game slightly bit more reactive and fun to play
No procs, muti always giving x cp = castsequence your entire rotation
Could literally write out the entire encounter from start to finish
past forum
What if energy wasn’t a resource you cared about at all and instead of finishers spending all cp they spent a fixed amount per spell. Wouldn’t that be something
limber lion
Absolutely, assuming we had more than one finisher
Could have multiple finishers with cds
main solar
What if you didn't care about energy, but all your spells just had cooldowns and/or cast times
limber lion
But then again that's monk
limber lion
What if you didn't care about energy, but all your spells just had cooldowns and...
:-----)
past forum
Yeah that was the bit lol
main solar
Lets just go for the Mage archetype since that's blizzard's favorite class
sudden brook
LOL
shy pecan
limber lion
past forum
There is something to say for really liking the playstyle of a spec but not the flavor, or visa versa…but, can’t have everything
sudden brook
sec
limber lion
The theme?
past forum
Yeah
sudden brook
The theme of sin is p good tho idk
past forum
Yeah that’s what i like, personally
I like it so much that I don’t care about not really enjoying the play pattern
limber lion
The only things I don't like about current sin are slightly clunky tree with dead nodes, and Spatter/Kingsbane in AoE
sudden brook
I think sin is the best rogue spec playstyle wise rn
past forum
Oh for sure the best
limber lion
I wish there was a better alternative to prio dam than Spatter
Like if I wanna go full prio, I should be able to
But if I wanna do AoE, I shouldn't be forced to still single target one guy in the pack
past forum
Aff should get spatter and sin should get rapture, is something I’ve thought in some capacity
limber lion
I wanna hit em all and tab target, multidot, go ham, not full st with every build ever
main solar
Echoing Blades was better aoe gameplay than spatter 🙃
limber lion
Kinda agree
At least it was different rotationally in AoE and ST
Compared to currently doing the exact same rotation regardless of target count
Except you use FOK instead of Muti and you might sneak in a CT once every 12s
But you ain't changing targets
Gotta pummel that big dude
main solar
It was boring, but atleast you made the choice to swap it up to FoK when you needed aoe and all the explosive FoK had a cool feel to it. I've always said we should have some sort of Echoing Blades that had a added requirement to it so it wasn't just FoK spam.
Like maybe it only splashes off ruptured targets
slate crown
I love my spec being on a spectrum it just like me fr fr
limber lion
If ADHD is included in the spectrum then I'm part of the gang fr fr
vital haven
Echoing Blades was better aoe gameplay than spatter 🙃
it actually still shocks me with how popular echoing blades was at least for sin aoe players that it has not been implemented since
main solar
Because it was admittedly pretty cheesy
rain mortar
We taking bets on if it gets extended again?
cinder bone
everyone updating warbands at once alone gonna crash bnet
main solar
I almost want to wait a bit extra and let everyone beta test the conversion for me lol
vital haven
i aint logging in till tomorrow
warbands is the most fundamental change blizz has done in a long time
main solar
Who remembers back during vanilla when Blizzard would actually gives us free game time whenever their patches took long? They'd never do that now lol.