assassination

[silk bane]

and we hit em with shiv

combo

not gettin back up after that one

[balmy condor]

true

[fleet pagoda]

sounds like some fun venn diagram territory

[balmy condor]

if they manage to get up

you hit em with the "so shiv works with fatal intent, do you think agility does as well?"

the brain blaster

[silk bane]

AHAHAHAHAHA nah thats just evil

[balmy condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B62ACxuq8Pw

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/ivan-drago-rocky-balboa-boxing-fight-gif-15021086

fatal intent + shiv but no agi combo

[coral stump]

dw abt what works with what, just press the buttons the smarter people tell you to

[royal lantern]

wait what

didnt knew that one

[marble hemlock]

was like that with the tierset in argus already

60% crit on envenom was juicy

[rotund oak]

Yeah 😍

rogue was so fun back then man

[grim jay]

Sounds like rn

Envenom is a poison attack by definition tho, so I'm not and never was surprised it works with stuff like mastery

[glass hemlock]

i have let us down brothers

granted, he was 524 ilvl and i am 518. but not good enough

[normal mist]

Did you time it?

[glass hemlock]

9 seconds over time, the mage convinced the tank to go a different route to usual and we ended up not winning

mage wanted bigger pulls for lust etc, no stress either way

makes me want to try outlaw even more 😄

[clever sapphire]

well cant pull bigger with an outlaw because they are capped to 8, so more mobs is less dmg for them

[quiet oar]

i sleep to wake up to make fun of outlaw
i play sub to make fun of outlaw
i eat so i can think of more content to make fun of outlaw
i make fun of outlaw cuz they are target capped
i play sub cuz it isnt target capped
i enjoy assa more than outlaw cuz it has a better version of Flurry
i make fun of outlaw cuz it will never be meta in raid
i play sub cuz it will always be meta in raid
||there was gonna be a point 9 but outlaw cant reach that many||

A Stealthi copypasta

[normal mist]

If you would have timed it if the route was better, then it's a W either way

[clever sapphire]

this is actually a good one

[potent raven]

LMAO

[steel ridge]

does our aura buff change when prepatch drops?

iirc beta is at 120% rn?

[balmy condor]

Beta is at 15%

[steel ridge]

and live?

[balmy condor]

Well 10% but beta already balanced that to 0

They’re probably going to do another pass to 0 everything out before prepatch or during prepatch

[steel ridge]

beta/ptr at 1.15 and live 1.10? so we gain 0.05? or am i cooked

[balmy condor]

Cooked

[steel ridge]

♿

[balmy condor]

Beta/ptr is at 15% atm after the 10% got made baseline and reverted to 0%

[steel ridge]

so a full 15% aura buff once prepatch drops °_°

or still cooked

[balmy condor]

Yes

Close enough

There’s obviously more tuning than just an all ability multiplier

But we did it

[steel ridge]

ye right

[balmy condor]

Kinda

[steel ridge]

just trying to get a hold on whats going on in 1 week

[balmy condor]

All hell breaks loose

Prepatch is not tuned

Like not even a little bit

[steel ridge]

people burning, children crying

[vestal wren]

2 weeks is where things start to be interessting, because it is when the pre patch event starts

[balmy condor]

It’s beta level 80 tuning with level 70 characters and tier sets that don’t exist on beta

So

Good fucking luck making sense of any of that shit

[steel ridge]

isnt envenom giga juiced on beta?

[balmy condor]

With hero talents yes

You don’t have hero talents on prepatch

[steel ridge]

but tierset + that new 10% node

😮

[balmy condor]

!!!

You realize the tier set is not based off envenoms damage right

It’s flat

[steel ridge]

i know

[balmy condor]

Okay

[steel ridge]

neither is poisonbomb, so the node is masterbaiter

[balmy condor]

Think the bigger thing is some specs straight up don’t have their tier bonus anymore, like mages had their tier set disabled because it got baked in during their beta rework

Prepatch is peak clown fiesta

Nothing will make sense

And that’s normal

[steel ridge]

yeah true, firemage has tier set in capstones now

is it actually disabled or does it just bug out?

[balmy condor]

I can’t wait for the “X spec looks bad/good on prepatch so it must be bad/good in beta too”

Actual fucking apes

[steel ridge]

i love prepatch

[balmy condor]

Fully disabled

[steel ridge]

embrace the chaos

[vestal wren]

pre patch is also only a month

[steel ridge]

only

its too long, give tww now

[balmy condor]

It’s too short, tww needs another 6 months of dev time

[steel ridge]

xD

that ship has sailed, everything is going to be borked

[balmy condor]

Push that shit all the way to after the new year please dear god it’s gonna be such a disaster

Feels like every expansion release is just more and more sloppy

[vestal wren]

🌈 it will all be fine

btw. did you test the new affix?

[steel ridge]

i guess the world and stuff will work just fine, who cares about talents

[dark token]

Ye this was hella rushed

They barely had time for hero talent tree iteration and feedback

Esp for rogue

[steel ridge]

they had more than enough time, but not enough manpower

hero talents were announnced in november, thats like 10 month to do that shit

they just slept for half a year

[balmy condor]

Yea

It’s uh

Definitely something

[vestal wren]

the add one they added in the last update too

or just before that

[balmy condor]

Both

[steel ridge]

the 20% crit thing?

where you have to focus down a spawning mob?

[vestal wren]

the add affix seems broken

[balmy condor]

I ran like 1-2 dungeons and realized blizzard actually took it out of the oven way too early

And then just stopped caring

[vestal wren]

it spawns and should empower near packs

but the "empower" pulls packs

[balmy condor]

Ye

It’s Uber cancer

[vestal wren]

so e.g. in dawn you suddenly have 2 more packs in your pull

it also goes through walls, very nice

[balmy condor]

It’s okay, they still have 2 months until season releases

[vestal wren]

are these affixes seasonal

or is it more a "per xpac" thematical idea

[balmy condor]

Honestly who knows

[vestal wren]

i just image we get e.g. karazan back in the dungeon rotation

[balmy condor]

They might call it seasonal and then decide to rework it for season 2 “based off feedback”

[vestal wren]

and you suddenly giga pull because the add spawned

[balmy condor]

Or it’s an expansion feature

And they “iterate” on it

[vestal wren]

i could see them just adding new ones

[steel ridge]

[vestal wren]

each major patch

and remove/rework stinkers

[balmy condor]

Idk man

It feels like they don’t know what they want m+ to be

Just randomly stumbling through affix reworks and seeing what the community yells about

[vestal wren]

it def. feels like that

just watching twitter/forum/reddit and see what current fire people talk about

[steel ridge]

idk, thats kinda how it should be, stir up shit and listen to what people think 😄

[vestal wren]

so they can put it out or decide to ignore it if its too much work

[steel ridge]

take risks

[balmy condor]

Definitely not imo

[steel ridge]

its better than doing nothing and playing it safe

[balmy condor]

You’re a game studio with no vision for your own content that’s so omega fucked dude

[steel ridge]

atleast it shows courage to actually try something

[vestal wren]

it is good to listen to feedback.
So yes looking at what is recived poorly is very good

[steel ridge]

well maybe they think "its not our content, its theirs"

[vestal wren]

but you don't want to only do that

[steel ridge]

let the nerds who play it decide if its good or not

[balmy condor]

Holy cope

[steel ridge]

😄

[gusty mirage]

I want a new affix, where if you don’t time the key blizzard flies out a dev and they beat all 5 of you with a baseball bat

[steel ridge]

*baguette

[gusty mirage]

And they get to read all the dumb shit you’ve ever posted in discord/twitter

Before doing it

Outlaw in shambles

[balmy condor]

I want an affix where if I don’t time a key I get to log out and not fill my vault

[vestal wren]

crazy idea

what if you don't rely on mythic+ to gear for raid

[steel ridge]

delves

are

here

[gusty mirage]

You can do that now

[steel ridge]

to safe blizzards m+ dilemma

[vestal wren]

delves give you normal gear

[gusty mirage]

It’s called the raid log affix

Best affix on god

[steel ridge]

i thought challenge delves give you hc gear?

or is that just vault

[balmy condor]

Yeah but then Omni gets mad

[gusty mirage]

Omni’s always mad tho

[vestal wren]

in the great vault

[gusty mirage]

Angry fella

[vestal wren]

so delves give heroic gear

just like mythic+ dungeons gvie mythic gear

[gusty mirage]

Like heroic raid gear? Or heroic dungeon gear?

[balmy condor]

Fart smella

[steel ridge]

own lootpool i think

[gusty mirage]

[vestal wren]

delves in valut is heroic track iirc

[balmy condor]

End of delve is champ track, vault is hero track

[gusty mirage]

Delving for gear early season POG

[balmy condor]

And delves are the only place atm to get a 2min on use stat trinket

So

[vestal wren]

our current bis trinket is from delves

[balmy condor]

Can’t wait to not see that in my vault

[gusty mirage]

[vestal wren]

there is a 2nd one to iirc

[gusty mirage]

Omg

[vestal wren]

eleem mentioned one

[gusty mirage]

This is getting better and better

[balmy condor]

From non-delves?

[strange python]

The closer we get to the expansion the less I wanna play it

[vestal wren]

yes, i think

[strange python]

I did keys as every melee spec now and it’s unbearable

[vestal wren]

maybe i missremember

[balmy condor]

There’s one from grim batol I think but it’s giga shit

It’s like on use for 40 seconds or something ridiculous

Or maybe it was a 3 min

Can’t remember

I know there’s one though and it was terrible

[gusty mirage]

Yeah but even if it wasn’t then you’d have to do grim batol

And that makes dawn of the infinite seem fun

And I never did a tyrannical murzonds rise all of s3 on any character

[balmy condor]

But you get to fly around in dragon

Bomba

[gusty mirage]

I got almost 3k io and never did a tyran rise

[vestal wren]

i found out why my gf wanted to do grim batol

[gusty mirage]

[vestal wren]

"i wanted to know what changed"

[steel ridge]

[balmy condor]

I ran grim batol for mogs and stuff so much

[vestal wren]

to be fair neither of the returning dungeons is fun

[balmy condor]

Don’t remember shit

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

It’s okay, matches with none of the new dungeons being fun either

[vestal wren]

i haven't played all of them

so can't say

[balmy condor]

I have, priory was okayish

[vestal wren]

but maybe we have so many annoying old ones

to make the new ones loook insanely good

[balmy condor]

But dawn breaker was so omegabad

[vestal wren]

i found dawnbreaker to be fun

esp. finding out you lose the dragonflying buff when you use cloak

[balmy condor]

It’s like if nokhud had more dragon riding

[vestal wren]

thats insanely good on a boss you need to fly away with your mount

[balmy condor]

Except the nokhud pulls were like 10 mobs

And dawn breaker forces you to pull packs of 3

[vestal wren]

wdym

we regularely pulled 10+

thanks to the affix

[balmy condor]

Those tiny ships you gotta fly to

That have 1 mob and 2 little mobs

And it takes you exactly 10 seconds to kill then

So you get to dragon ride back to the main ship

So you get to dragon ride to the other small boat

[vestal wren]

subtlety is luckily known for its low target cleave niche

[balmy condor]

Aiaiaiaiai

[vestal wren]

so will be great dungeon for us

[grim jay]

Depends on the health scaling. If you can always just dance burst the small ones its probably fine actually

[vestal wren]

it was a joke because of the current state

tww might change strengths/weaknesses up with hero talents

@gusty mirage

you basically want to do a 7 delve

[gusty mirage]

only delving I'm doing is poe delving

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/call-from-based-department-gif-25645857

[spice spire]

False bestie

You’re delving dn too

[gusty mirage]

imma delve into your cheeks if you sass me again

[spice spire]

Do it pussy I tucking dare you

[gusty mirage]

you're tucking?

hot

[spice spire]

Dog?

[gusty mirage]

idk you said you're tucking

[spice spire]

Clearly autocorrect by my dog ass

[royal lantern]

still the best league dont @ me

[fringe oxide]

Is this for current or tww? Apologies for not understanding better.

[worldly sail]

i think thats vault rewards for doing delves in TWW

[arctic socket]

Is there a separate channel here for sod rouge here or a discord anyone could please share

[vestal wren]

delves are a tww system, so there is no "current". It is the current drop from them on beta

[fringe oxide]

Ah these are the delves!

Thanks!

I read it as m+ my bad!

[vestal wren]

#classic-discussion links to discords (pins), the classic community did prefere to seperate rather than integrating

[arctic socket]

Thank you fuu

[marble hemlock]

Yes, come to the dark side

[gusty mirage]

you're not even playing in the rh private league with us

[lethal heart]

@marble hemlock explain yourself

unfriend is on the menu if you dont have a good excuse

[marble hemlock]

Doesn't it come out around prepatch?

[thorn fjord]

wasnt it the 29th?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[gusty mirage]

was what the 29th

[thorn fjord]

New league?

[marble hemlock]

yeah ill prolly be busy with TWW beta shit and other WoW related responsibilities

[lethal heart]

[marble hemlock]

but i also cant stress enough how much i dislike the stale meta of defensive layers in PoE

[gusty mirage]

it would be really odd for them to release a league on a monday

considering every league launch has been on a friday

[marble hemlock]

which is the main reason i wanna quit every league, adn end up quitting

i just dont enjoy the checkmark of like 6 different things you all need for poe to be playable

[gusty mirage]

dw they're nerfing auras

[marble hemlock]

cool

[gusty mirage]

that's less checkmarks

[marble hemlock]

now we just gotta wait for

[gusty mirage]

sorry it's not "confirmed"

unless you believe the tooltips in the QoL teasers

do you at least wanna hang out with sebe and me in the discord we're using for the private league?

[marble hemlock]

ailment immunity checkmark, stun immunity checkmark, silence immunity (since i almost always play casters), spell supp and/or block cap, and as much phys->element conversion as possible

oh yeah, crit immunity

almost forgot that one

[gusty mirage]

tempest shield takes care of shock, pantheon takes care of freeze and 50% of chill, rest is kinda whatever

[marble hemlock]

miss one of those? sorry, youll die a fair amount. unlucky. get bent.

[gusty mirage]

spoken like a true delver

tf you need stun immunity and crit immunity

[marble hemlock]

doesnt cover brittle

[gusty mirage]

I mean ailment immunity is something you worry about at high investment

[marble hemlock]

well yeah

but in poe

[gusty mirage]

or you just run purity of elements

[marble hemlock]

thats kinda

1week in

[gusty mirage]

not in gsf it's not

[marble hemlock]

well fair but still

game is just

too binary in its defensive layers

have stun immunity = nice, dont have it/have 90% resistance = die

[gusty mirage]

just admit you don't wanna hang out with me and @lethal heart its ok

[marble hemlock]

have ailment immunity= fun. have 80% resistance = die

i wanna hang out with you

give invite

and maybe ill even play, idk

depends on how much work ill have to do

[gusty mirage]

well I'm getting like 20 slots

and will add more if needed

and p sure we have less than 20 people

realistically it's gonna end up being mostly me sebe and kayl

[lethal heart]

i mean what will happen

people will play for a week-two max

and some will just be disappointed because they cant get to their usual progression they would normally be because their 2 divines is useless now

and also its wrong channel how did i end up in assassination

[marble hemlock]

because its basically offtopic

without the annoying offtopic people

[lethal heart]

[thorn fjord]

Oh we're here too bb

[spice spire]

I’m literally here

[drifting cloud]

[royal lantern]

but im here?

[thorn fjord]

Most of us are

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-rave-dance-gif-15389662957248741331

[shy pecan]

[unkempt herald]

anybody has 5 minute to spare with me 🙂 i'd like to discuss rotation

[thorn fjord]

shoot

[unkempt herald]

you mind going over voice channel so I can stream? if not all good

I feel like i'm not efficient at spreading my bleed and overall

Let's say my SnD isn't up

[thorn fjord]

No can do unfortunately

[unkempt herald]

I usually garrote, tab target, garrote, rupture, fok to 4+, tab target, rupture

then from this point on keep my bleed and envenom at +4 combo point

[thorn fjord]

This for M+?

[unkempt herald]

I mean if SnD is up

ya

[thorn fjord]

Not running IC?

[unkempt herald]

running ic

let's say it's a pack of 5 mobs

I need to spread garrote and rupture twice right

[thorn fjord]

Would depend on how long the mobs are staying alive

[gusty mirage]

I'd prio garrote over rupture in aoe, if you're also playing scent you get as many out as possible to maximize scent of blood and then prio garrote when it comes to reapplying bleeds when you're already at max scent stacks

if that makes sense

[strange python]

5 targets you wouldn’t tab target at all no?

[gusty mirage]

ye at 5 you don't need to tab target

you'd just gar gar twice on the same target and it'd hit garrote on all 5

[unkempt herald]

sometimes the packs are spread

no ?

Also does Deathmark only affect the bleeds on one mob or all bleeds active on every mob

[silk bane]

bleeds on the mob you have deathmarked only

[unkempt herald]

Gotchu

On boss in M+, our dps truly suffer right ?

Single-target

[strange python]

Not really it’s not bad

Obv depends on build but even arterial shock it’s still fine

[unkempt herald]

I'm doing something bad for sure then

I make sure my bleeds are all up except crimson tempest

then I spawn envenom at 4+ combo points

kingsbane, with 2 shiv

[strange python]

If your kingsbane windows are good you should be okay

It’s just chaining envenoms after

When you can’t chain anymore you pool to 80%

And start again

[unkempt herald]

When you say pool to 80%

youre saying to stop using any skill until im at 80% energy ?

[proven jasper]

you use generators until full cp and pool for 80%

Then you env chain again

[unkempt herald]

by generator you mean garro and rupt ?

[proven jasper]

Mutilate

mutilate/garrote are ur cp generators

[unkempt herald]

I thought you meant bleed to generate energy my bad

[proven jasper]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[gentle verge]

Curious if this is still true after its nerf in the last build (I believe it was by around ~25%)

I don't think the change made it into the notes

[silk bane]

Serums?

[gentle verge]

Ya

[silk bane]

it wasnt nerfed as of last nght on beta though

like in game numbers on beta

[gentle verge]

Change was made on the 8th, so the next build after that should've picked it up

[spice surge]

25% to all stats on it

Or just secondaries or agi

[gentle verge]

All

[spice surge]

Makes sense

[limber lion]

Our spec unfortunately kinda has to sacrifice quite a bit of ST damage to do good AoE, especially in lower keys where you want to play the bleed build and not full Kingsbane/DTB/Spatter madness.

[spice surge]

Its probably still gonna be miles ahead of the competition as sub though

Not entirely sure about assa, but i dont think thats enough for them either

[limber lion]

In higher keys where mobs stay alive for longer, people tend to play a more ST heavy build and just focus on Spatter/Kingsbane

[silk bane]

called it. kekw

25% is not even close to making it balanced btw. its still turbo bis

atleast for sub

but that is a pretty large nerf to sub itself, now we shrimply get another 20% aura buff

[gentle verge]

Any logs/sims?

[vestal wren]

lets wait for pre patch to release

blizz loves to sneak in some last minute changes

[vestal wren]

good prediction

[silk bane]

log/sims for what exactly?

the trinket?

[gentle verge]

Beta logs where a rogue was using the trinket etc (or sims for it)

[spice surge]

I dm:ed you sims for sub

[gentle verge]

Thanks

[silk bane]

eleem has the sims compared to other trinkets for sub which he sent you. I can dm you some logs of it later after work!

oh and 1 more thing

the sims hes sending you

are most likely under valuing the trinket

because sub is burstier than it sims during cds

coups not well implemented so its even more

[spice surge]

A trinket without any passive stats is very good on specs that only do damage during their burst windows, you'd probably have to absolutely murder the trinket for it to not be good for sub (and assa too since its also got a lot of burst at 2 minutes)

[spice spire]

Burst class

[spice surge]

https://cdn.betterttv.net/emote/5a52c842b09c687f988a3245/3x.webp

[unkempt herald]

Lmk if anybody is willing to look at the rotation with me real quick, to give me some pointers :))

[limber lion]

Let's not make dumb jokes like that.

You know who you are.

[spice spire]

Okay sorry king

[keen spruce]

[proven jasper]

[thorn fjord]

[limber lion]

There's some people who offer coaching, but it's gonna cost ya. We can give pointers and whatnot in here, but your best bet is to read the guides thoroughly, read the commands and pins in here and then analyze your logs/videos.

Whispyr and I have both done live coaching in the past, but it takes a long time and it's very individual so there's simply no time for every single person requesting a personal coach.

But like said, we can give pointers and whatnot if you just send your logs here :)

[royal lantern]

holy shit thats an old one

[proven jasper]

lil throwback

[thorn fjord]

Money talks BS walks baby

[proven jasper]

here comes the money!!!

[fresh bone]

Anyone else unable to log onto their characters?

[thorn fjord]

Yeah seems to be an issue

Me and a few other guildies can’t get in game

Just hangs at loading

[fresh bone]

Ok so it's not just me.

Reminds me of when the world server would go down back in the day.

[sick sail]

Is it too early to have speculated guides and stuff for war within? For assa? I know it’s WAY TOO EARLY, but sometimes I hope there’s some early tips like that for me. I need an insane early head start in general for this game to catch on since my schedule is so busy. Thanks in advance. Sorry if I ask many questions. Love this assa community

[slate crown]

Check the TWW channels, each of them have pins with info on changes and expected at-present-build rotation/build recommendations:#tww-assassination

[slate crown]

#tww-assassination message

[lone ermine]

keeps login me out anyone online?

[thorn fjord]

Authentication servers are shitting the bed

[silk bane]

sin would play very similarly to how it does right now on live regardless. fatebound is almost identical just no more occasional finishing on +4cp. always +5. deathstalker is a bit more cringe and pushes the pooling condition aorund but thats kinda about it

more detailed guides will come out as we get closer to expansion

also tzatziki is legit bis

[trail locust]

@limber lion heard you were insane at sin

[limber lion]

hello 🍨

need coaching?

1000e per hour

not too bad

[trail locust]

i can do 10cents per hour

[sick sail]

Thanks guys. Yea tzatziki is BiS AF

[limber lion]

Np

[spice spire]

np

[spice surge]

Hes a sinner alright

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/zakir-naik-may-allah-forgive-you-because-i-wont-gif-25702260

sinner

[fresh sphinx]

Yo....sin hard af

[balmy condor]

as in difficult

or like

that goes hard

[junior aurora]

as in he read all the hornyposting that happens in OTs 1 2 and 3

[slim hamlet]

this for sure

[balmy condor]

sin might be hard

but so am I

[blazing jewel]

[spice spire]

Twinsies

[junior aurora]

god does give his strongest challenges (coping for good rogue beta patch notes) to his hardest warriors (me and whispyr)

[glass hemlock]

I love/hate that I’m just getting everything to work on assa and it’s end of season hahahaha

I’ve been keeping an eye on convos about TWW, general consensus is it’ll play fine but we hope for some changes ? Haha

[junior aurora]

its not really changing in tww

so you should be able to carry it over with slight differences

[glass hemlock]

Yeah thankfully!! I’m gonna try outlaw as well, just leveling another rogue at the moment haha

[cerulean nest]

is my sark cloak the thing pulling me out of stealth in keys?

or crit phial

[runic hinge]

cloak

[rotund oak]

its not too early though mlk mou

we got ppl cookin gyros with tzatziki sauce over on TWW channels

(sorry for the greek-glish felt obliged to respond,its the heritage)

[plucky warren]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[clever sapphire]

its time for me to cook, buying augury to test it out in a key

[vestal wren]

have fun

[potent raven]

im going to outdps you bro..

[clever sapphire]

[potent raven]

ye but thats raid

irrelevant to keys im beast in keys

unless i die

[clever sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/coep-harder-gif-23239959

[potent raven]

just wait until our tank dies on first pull and we dont get to play

u got like 8ilvls on me

thats like 2k agility its not fair

[clever sapphire]

you didnt even find the right key mr dh

[potent raven]

what

arent wen doing academy

LOL

I WAS

[crude anvil]

!fuu

[potent raven]

IN ACADEMY LOL

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[potent raven]

wtf

trolled

we got a lock gl dpsing

[next compass]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[potent raven]

DONT U DARE

[sick jackal]

whats the best talent build for low keys?

[potent raven]

probably arterial one becuz of sudden demise

[sick jackal]

thanks, i assume u are talking about this build. https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/DAOFVVFRRFURQmJBQCVBNVUVVVUJQEEiUUBF right?

[clever sapphire]

yap

also augury is just as bad as i thought

swapped before 1st boss

[potent raven]

yes

[clever sapphire]

also the tank complimented me after the key that i did good dmg

[potent raven]

nah he said it to me

[nimble zinc]

Everyone see how assa rogue is still #1 dps in raid?

[clever sapphire]

it was the pad raid

of course we numba one

[normal mist]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/amirdrassil-the-dreams-hope-weekly-dps-rankings-dragonflight-season-4-week-12-345203 this is nice to see, our assa brothers just smoking everyone

[clever sapphire]

the fact that survival does aug level of dps

[vestal wren]

i find it weird to compare raid week to week and not raid to raid

[normal mist]

I've thought about that before aswell actually

[maiden rover]

Red name 😞

[spice spire]

Why be staff if not playing the game

I am a pleb like you now

Also got demoted and a day later logged in

[maiden rover]

Like logged into wow?

[normal mist]

Thats... wild bro xD

[spice spire]

Yeah

[runic hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-world-of-warcraft-login-loginwow-login-meme-gif-12215928468343350012

[maiden rover]

Ahhhhh shit he’s back. Finally got his pack of smokes.

[spice spire]

Hyper casual ass mf

[balmy condor]

The playing to staff to not playing to demotion to playing pipeline

[fresh sphinx]

anyone else not able to log in?

[spice spire]

Real

[grim jay]

my brain just froze

reading that

it was kinda hard to get without the context

[maiden rover]

Quake is no stranger to the pipeline

[runic hinge]

MF knows how to lay pipe

[spice spire]

Yeah just ask ur pops

[north hemlock]

@blissful smelt pizzaman had chic fil a

[fresh sphinx]

!macro

😦

!macros

😦 😦

[clever sapphire]

assa got no macros

well you can macro dance and kb

[fresh sphinx]

what about KB macros I hear everyone talking about?

[spice surge]

You can macro dance to kingsbane

But dance is getting removed next reset so it doesnt really matter at this point

[limber lion]

Who's everyone?

But yeah, dance + kb is the only macro and it's not even necessarily worth it, it's fine to do if you're lazy and don't care but not super optimal for stuff like mythic+

But yeah gonezo anyways soon

[fresh sphinx]

can you use the same gearset for Sin and Sub and still be effective?

[limber lion]

Yes

Same trinkets, same everything

[fresh sphinx]

seems like Sin wants a little more haste than Sub, but I don't know how much more

[limber lion]

No

Stats do not matter anymore

What makes you think that?

Just curious

[fresh sphinx]

sounds a little bit extreme lol

[normal mist]

I'll guess more energy regen

[limber lion]

A lot of people talk about stats, but I don't know where they get that idea from.

[fresh sphinx]

dot ticks/resources mostly

[limber lion]

It really is not.

[normal mist]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[limber lion]

For Assassination, all stats are the exact same. Versatility might be a bit worse, but even that gets value if you completely ignore it

Like my profile currently has haste as the worst stat, versatility as the best stat

It changes every time you equip or unequip something in your gear

New trinket

All stats values change

New enchant

All stat value change

Everything is dynamic and there are no breakpoints whatsoever in Retail WoW

[fresh sphinx]

looking at raider.io pushers (specifically sub) they seem to value mast/vers and almost completely ignore haste

[limber lion]

It used to matter in Legion and expansions prior to that

But it does not matter for the current game

[fresh sphinx]

i mean...it has to matter at least a little bit right? if everyone's doing the same thing lol

[shy pecan]

Nope

[fresh sphinx]

so then why do they do it?

[limber lion]

I mean yeah it matters 0.01%

[clever sapphire]

because the robot says so

[normal mist]

We're talking mostly assassination

lets keep that in mind

[clever sapphire]

assa you just take whatever you get

sub probably cares less about haste

[limber lion]

You literally take any enchants and any gems and you do 99% of the damage you would do with giga optimized gear and enchants and gems

That's just the game

[normal mist]

Outlaw -> Versa and crit mostly per example

[limber lion]

Sub is slightly bit different because haste for them is not as great

[normal mist]

but Assa just takes whatever has more ilvl and call it a day

[limber lion]

But even then you don't completely ignore haste

They introduced dynamic scaling and diminished returns on stats in BFA

So, 5ish years ago?

Since then stats have not mattered that much at all

They still do a bit more for specs like Fire Mage where the amount of haste directly correlates to how many gcds you can get out during your combustion

But our gcd is capped at 1s permanently

Stats are completely outdated, which is why the stat weight tool has been retired and is under "Legacy tools"

And has a MASSIVE yellow box telling you not to use it

[normal mist]

I wonder if the player is still reading

[limber lion]

Doesn't matter

[normal mist]

You did your part

Thanks Cev, it was a nice read anyway

[limber lion]

I've raged about stats for many years

Should probably write an essay about it and link it under the !stats command

lol

[normal mist]

would you believe i was actually thinking about it?!

[spice surge]

It was after BFA, after they realized how silly things could be with corruptions amping stuff

[limber lion]

Oh yeah that's true sorry, they changed how haste worked for us in BFA

That's the one

Got the timelines mixed up

[clever sapphire]

green names talking, me reading and enjoying the smartness

[limber lion]

But yeah, a lot of people seem to forget that just because one stat is better than the other, doesn't mean that it's always going to be better than the other stats

[normal mist]

Same but in green

[limber lion]

Even a singular point in a stat can affect everything and suddenly it's the worst stat by far

That obviously doesn't happen much because we don't have breakpoints so it's scaling rather linearly

[potent raven]

one day you will be like them

[clever sapphire]

i dont wanna be green, i would have to be smart for that

and not talk as much crap

[potent raven]

thats true

cant teach that youre born with that

gg

[normal mist]

Look at me tho

[clever sapphire]

you are smart and cute and you like bonespike

you got it all

wdym

[normal mist]

[spice spire]

False to both bestie

I’m living proof

[rotund oak]

Now that s4 is almost gone im thinking what mastery is the most broken out of all dps,then healers,then tanks

for dps it must be the fire mage right?

[gusty mirage]

actually useless

love you tho

[spice spire]

What I’m saying

[gusty mirage]

bro you did more log reviews than everyone in this discord combined

wdym

[spice spire]

Solo exists

[gusty mirage]

you did more than he did

guaranteed

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

We all had our log review arcs

Used to be so popular back in Shadowlands, glad it's died down quite a bit for DF hehe

People can read their own logs now 🥲

[spice spire]

It did not die down in DF

[royal lantern]

for healers, i gues holy priest is the strongest one?

cus its literally "everytime you heal, apply your mastery% as a HoT"

which include trinkets

[limber lion]

Definitely has compared to what it was like in Shadowlands

[gusty mirage]

mfer doesn't know how to click the threads button and scroll down

[limber lion]

Legit doing 5+ log reviews every day back then

[shy pecan]

Isn’t it whatever class stacks it?

[gusty mirage]

quake was doing like 10-15 a day by himself during DF

so

[limber lion]

ok

[gusty mirage]

it's just assa got turned into dogshit a few times

but when it was banging it was banging

[shy pecan]

Yeah, psycho, I mean, the nice guy that he is to do so many

[gusty mirage]

we were getting 2-3 per day during amirdrassil post nerf still

it was wild

[limber lion]

Glad threads are a thing

Doing that shit in here was painful

[gusty mirage]

lmao you aint lying

[spice spire]

Yeah threads made it infinitely easier

[gusty mirage]

when did threads become a thing?

9.2?

[spice spire]

Log reviews pre threads were uh

Awful

Wasn’t it 9.1? It was around that time tho

[gusty mirage]

I remember it was middleish of SL

[limber lion]

August 21

[gusty mirage]

I remember all of us doing like 300 fucking reviews a month

it was wild

[spice spire]

Yeah that’s the one I have too

[limber lion]

No clue what that is in the timeline

9.2 was Feb 22

[gusty mirage]

that's end of 9.1

p sure

[limber lion]

Yeh sounds about right

[spice spire]

Two months after 9.1 wasn’t it

[gusty mirage]

9.1 released june of 22 I think?

[spice spire]

Ye

[limber lion]

Thank god

[gusty mirage]

ye dog that was the end of it

you think everyone was pulling that shit in october like me?

HUH?

[spice spire]

But 9.2 was for ever later

No lmfao

[gusty mirage]

my first ever CE

first CE to first HoF in 4 tiers am I a gamer yet @limber lion

[limber lion]

Big time

[gusty mirage]

3 total guilds

[rotund oak]

yeah i think so,or prevoker

holy is definitely the main candidate

[gusty mirage]

sap I have a tiktok that will upset you

:3

[rotund oak]

i love you

cant get upset

[shy pecan]

#1080572530554835072

[gusty mirage]

it's an American who goes to Beirut and says that the shawarma she's eating is better than any gyro she had in greece

[limber lion]

My first CE was Argus. Then I skipped Uldir, BoD, TEP and then started raiding again actively in Ny'alotha when I got my second CE

[gusty mirage]

damn you missed the two best raids in bfa

[limber lion]

Castle was my first HOF

[rotund oak]

ok that mfker is disturbing

[limber lion]

Yeaaaaaaah I know

[gusty mirage]

lmao I told you

[grim jay]

dang he said best and bfa in the same sentence

[rotund oak]

😂

[limber lion]

I played for a little while in both tiers, like casually doing some bosses

[grim jay]

legit the only expansion I didnt have any drive to play at all

[limber lion]

But wasn't really anything serious

[gusty mirage]

nevermind that greece gyros and beirut shawarmas are honestly almost identical @rotund oak

[limber lion]

I think I was in like 5 different guilds in BFA

The casual leapfrogging

[gusty mirage]

I loved bod and EP

both very good raids

[grim jay]

there has yet to be a worse expansion than bfa

[gusty mirage]

that's just inherently false

because shadowlands exists

[limber lion]

I think I killed Ashvane on EP but nothing more after that lol

[gusty mirage]

ty for your opinion though, it's valued ig

[rotund oak]

im still mad at you and your logs

[grim jay]

bro what

[limber lion]

I enjoyed BFA a lot and I enjoyed Shadowlands even more

[grim jay]

SL definitely was better than bfa

[gusty mirage]

not even close

[limber lion]

I personally dislike current expansion more than both of them

[gusty mirage]

SL was dogshit

the systems were somehow worse than gambling azerite armor

choreghast existed, conduit energy existed, 1 month lock outs of swapping fucking covenants existed

[limber lion]

I loved SL, but that's also because it was the first tier I was giga tryharding and started my RH journey as well

[gusty mirage]

CN was a beautiful tier

[grim jay]

how lol

[limber lion]

I was really enjoying playing the game every day

[grim jay]

choreghast was probably the best daily system there has been

[gusty mirage]

wow

[grim jay]

because dailies inherently suck ass

[gusty mirage]

what an opinion

[limber lion]

I gotta disagree with that one big time lol

I liked Torghast for what it was, but not as a mandatory weekly experience

Like it was sick to do once in a while

[grim jay]

dunno who would like doing stupid quests instead of stealthing through some mobs for 5 min

[limber lion]

Not every single week

[gusty mirage]

our legendaries were all dogshit, never got a chance to test them because they weren't done when they were on a vendor for testing in SL beta

by the time they finished the rogue leggos the vendor was long gone so we had to self farm the mats on PTR to test them

assuming we could test them if they weren't locked behind content that was inaccessible

conduit energy

enough said there

[limber lion]

Nothing more fun than farming leather in the PTR

lmao

[gusty mirage]

choregast, the maw, korthia

all awful

and mandatory

[grim jay]

but do you like daily quests for shit? there aint much I wouldnt do to pass on that

[gusty mirage]

you didn't have to do dailies in BFA

[grim jay]

I'd be dead inside by the third

[gusty mirage]

you literally did islands

and that's if you wanted to

[limber lion]

No I do not.

But there isn't really anything like that in the game

[gusty mirage]

and then the bi weekly shit for the currency in 8.3

[limber lion]

Or hasn't been in many years afaik

[grim jay]

yeah I just meant as an overall system

[gusty mirage]

now visions

visions made choreghast fun

[limber lion]

The only mandatory daily grind that I despise is Mythic+

[gusty mirage]

because visions were fucking dogshit

[limber lion]

Because that shit mandatory early on when you're gearing for mythic raid

[grim jay]

oh boy I forgot about those

[gusty mirage]

torghast was just mildly annoying at worst

unless you had a class that had dogshit torghast powers

then ggs

[limber lion]

I don't even remember if I liked visions or not

It's all just a blank

[grim jay]

idk imo m+ early is the most fun I have with m+ in general

[gusty mirage]

you didn't, you just did them so you could buy your corruptions when they came around every 3-6 weeks lmfao

[grim jay]

but which class did really take long for torghast

[gusty mirage]

priest

[grim jay]

Ive heard someone say rogue recently

[gusty mirage]

druid

[grim jay]

which is wild

couldnt druid just run through it with bear?

[limber lion]

Oh yeah for sure, early mythic+ is the most fun a mythic+ can be

[gusty mirage]

rogue was kinda dogshit unless you were fae/necro lord

[limber lion]

But that's not saying a lot

[gusty mirage]

because all the rogue powers were dogshit

lmao

[grim jay]

idk I never took any

I just ran through

[limber lion]

I think in BFA I kinda always had something to do

[grim jay]

grabbes what was shiny

[limber lion]

But in Dragonflight I'm just bored

[grim jay]

and only killed what I had to

which was fast

[limber lion]

I don't wanna do mythic+

And the raid you just finish in a few hours

[gusty mirage]

well it didn't help that the dungeons were all awful

[limber lion]

What do you do after that

There's nothing else but m+ and raid

And if you don't like m+, what is there to do?

[gusty mirage]

the true end game

collecting tmog and mounts

[limber lion]

It's true

I was doing my weekly Invincible runs every week back in BFA

Until I finally got it after 116 attempts

[gusty mirage]

I gave up after 280 attempts

I decided blizzard didn't want me to have invincible

[grim jay]

every try of mine

ended after like 3 ids

[limber lion]

Okay brb gotta go make lasagna

[gusty mirage]

wow doesn't even invite me

shit friend tbh

[grim jay]

dang now I'm hungry

@gusty mirage the only real bad memory I had was farming plaguefall a gazillion times

to then farm it again

the next season

[gusty mirage]

I got my phial by my 2nd or 3rd run

every time

how does that make you feel

I was also handing out poxstorms like oprah

[grim jay]

bro one season I spent like 92 runs

to get the phial

[gusty mirage]

if it makes you feel better

a guildie of mine in 9.2

was 0/4 tier after 3 weeks

but he got a phial in his vault week 1

I told him how funny would it be if you never got your tier

then we dropped a grand total of 2 zenith tokens in 3 weeks lmfao

[royal lantern]

i mean, holy does stack mastery most of the time

[gusty mirage]

then he swapped to his warrior alt who was 4/4 after 1 alt run

I lost my rogue friend that day

[shy pecan]

Was gonna say, doesn’t unholy also heavily stack mastery?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[grim jay]

that sounds pretty rough ngl

[gusty mirage]

but at least he got a max ilvl phial

[grim jay]

I mean in df now

our evoker got his legendary after like

nearly 50 kills

and someone else said f it and boosted an evoker

bought a boost for hc

and just looted it

that shit was rough aswell

[brazen fern]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[misty holly]

Sometimes I wish we could all go back to the innocence of this guy. He's here just loving rogue with no complaints and no problems.

[grim jay]

I mean I enjoy rogue and have them on

so

its all about the mental fortitude

[shy pecan]

Yeah, I still enjoy playing rogue (even if some specs need stuff worked on)

[royal lantern]

(level 13)

[grim jay]

fuu posts with lv 1

iirc

also considering the leveling state of rogue and some other specs

it would be even more impressive

[limber lion]

He posts on the NA forums with a level 1 character

Because he plays on EU

But you have to make an NA character to talk on the forums

Gg

[grim jay]

didnt he say its about the name

[limber lion]

Sorry babe, living pretty frugal atm barely got enough for myself :'(

[limber lion]

No clue, never heard that before

[grim jay]

#wow-general message

nvm hes lv 12

[limber lion]

ooh interesting

[coarse sphinx]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[proper jasper]

Hey all, is Assassination rogue competitive damage wise on ST or AOE against some of the stronger classes like SP, mage, lock in m+? Or do we simply just do less damage? I tried simming some fully geared rogues against my friends fully geared lock, the lock was higher ST and AoE.

[limber lion]

Well nothing really matters atm

Prepatch is just around the corner

And the new expansion is coming very soon

The numbers are all over the place currently

The balance is super weird, never been so radical previously

[proper jasper]

Ok thats true. I am really enjoying assassination rogue right now and it looks like there are some positive changes coming to our talent trees? I haven't seen too much positivity about rogue hero specs though.

[limber lion]

There's nothing really changing to be honest, except Dance and Nightstalker are getting removed.

Gameplay will remain the exact same, except you now take ER/RC instead of Shadow Dance on the class tree

So you just slam ER on cooldown at low cp, but that's about the only "new" thing

[proper jasper]

Is the rogue community leaning toward thinking rogues will be strong in TWW or are things not looking good as of right now?

[runic hinge]

All comes down to tuning

Rogue has the same defensives its had which are relatively good and the hero trees are mostly passive which can be good if you don’t wanna learn all new stuff

[shell quartz]

rogue doesnt need more buttons to be fair, i fuck with passives

outlaw looks shite, if sub gets some tuning it can be fucking nuts

assa is pretty good still as ST/Prio damage

shit in lower keys, pretty bonkers in high keys

[limber lion]

Again just comes down to tuning. Could be shit st, amazing in low keys and terrible in high keya

Literally anything is possible

Balancing is a mess atm

[still snow]

Hi, i have a question, i completed wit my 70 rogue legion intro

But class hall questgiver didn't appeared

[clever sapphire]

I wouldnt say that assa is shit in lower keys. You just take sudden demise and now you are good in low keys

[shell quartz]

rupture spam poggers

[runic hinge]

Did you try relogging

[rotund oak]

[shell quartz]

fellow zilla

[shell quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-slide-gone-gif-20374120

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-gif-1638479521410862832

[grim jay]

We all know deep down godzilla only won because hes a fan favorite

King Kong wouldve mopped the floor with him otherwise

[rotund oak]

just a benevolent lizard killing titans

[grim jay]

Or getting killed by them without help

I never was into that kinda stuff tbf

[rotund oak]

was very hyped since i was a kid,read comics n stuff

major fan

[grim jay]

I think the only thing that got me into reading source material back then was berserk

Wasnt a book reading kinda guy when it came to entertainment

Only used books for info

[rotund oak]

ive started reading stuff from early age,can remember reading magic the gathering books and warhammer

was a big nerd

[royal lantern]

thats a religion i can support

[serene mason]

Someone playing with Devlins UI WA ?

[midnight atlas]

i stole his combo points wa and made my own around that, thats the only xp with devlin

best cpu performance from a wa pack is devlin

[grim jay]

Best CPU Performance is getting a decent one

[grim jay]

I expected you to support the ape side

[royal lantern]

???

[grim jay]

King Kong > Godzilla

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-wrong-oscar-the-grouch-ding-dong-gif-25943635

[still snow]

Yep

[glass hemlock]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[runic prawn]

is there a place where I can see the rotations of rogue?

trying to get better at it

[slate crown]

!guide go forth

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[spice spire]

I will not

[hexed frost]

Is the no bullion drop bug fixed yet?

[shadow badger]

why do i sim envenom doing like souble everything elses damage but whenever im in a fight kingsbane always does the most

but im still hitting my simmed dps

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cz3bpV4awhz34i9tgRsnrH

[spice surge]

If you press the envenom in the sim

It includes things that happen when you envenom

Like poison bomb and 4p

Whereas logs or details doesnt group them that way

[shadow badger]

that makes sense

[ebon quest]

what is the range on caustic spatter?

[limber lion]

10y

[novel arrow]

When does the season end? Anyone know?

[shy pecan]

For title, ends next Tuesday/Wednesday when pre-patch goes live

[manic crescent]

is there a discord for cata rogues ?

[balmy condor]

check the pins in #classic-discussion

[shadow badger]

would someone be able to review my log for mythic terros? i have like a 73 parse and im trying to figure out how i could have done better.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7HAMaRcTk9XCyrPB#fight=17&playermetric=dps&type=damage-done

[balmy condor]

dont mess up your 4 min cds by slamming a grieftorch 5 seconds before your deathmark

get luckier

also your gear is kinda behind

[shadow badger]

wym by get luckier

[balmy condor]

like obtain more luck

crit your kingsbane

proc your wafting better

poison more during your cds for amp and kb

[shadow badger]

oh i see theres actual luck variance that matters lol

[spice lagoon]

anyoen know of a good hekili set up for assassination

[royal lantern]

deleting it asap is a +18% boost to your Performance

[spice lagoon]

can you please explain

[shy pecan]

(1) the heliki support for sin isn't great (2) it doesn't really help you understand the spec and why you press the buttons you do.

[balmy condor]

assa played perfectly atm has about a 15% variance

[shadow badger]

oh okay good to know

[balmy condor]

one of the most rng specs in the game

[spice lagoon]

okay so the best way to understand is to start from the beginning and work myself up?

level 1 thru 70?