assassination

[slate crown]

Yeah I don't have a raid schedule I can follow so I have no way to regularly do actual interesting raid content, and M+ is M+ as it always is whatever entertainment it can provide is outweighed by the massive negatives to my mental and significant amount of time wasted by just sitting in town getting declined

so meh, just not logging in much to retail anymore

Just beta or... nothing at all

here

this discord is my gameplay

[vestal wren]

crafting, m+ and the fated currency all should give you a fast way to gear

[slate crown]

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[blazing jewel]

Just stop logging on

[cinder geode]

by the fated currency do u mean the bronze bullions

[slate crown]

I'm replaying Tunic for now, may find others to pick up, I wish I could pay for more things outside the blizzard ecosystem with gold

[blazing jewel]

I don’t even have my desktop

[shy pecan]

But you have us

[blazing jewel]

Need to play stardew valley

[blazing jewel]

🗿

[shy pecan]

[blazing jewel]

[shy pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/dap-me-up-big-boobs-gif-27267448

[rugged flint]

for sanguine week, I assume we take off crippling, but do we also replace a lethal with wound?

[slate crown]

Probably | No.

[rugged flint]

ok, ty

[slate crown]

As sin. If you're playing law/sub, yeah go for wound

[rugged flint]

nah im trying out sin this season

[balmy condor]

Wound is exclusive for PvP

[grim jay]

If it werent for pvp they might aswell make it a non lethal poison

And remove the damage

[clever sapphire]

wound over slow poison i would take it

[runic hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-world-of-warcraft-login-loginwow-login-meme-gif-12215928468343350012

[nimble zinc]

uhh question.

my sim said to take myth thunderous downburst ring which is huuuge vers/haste ring. to replace my champ giga crit/haste ring, (for both ST and AOE/keys) -- Should I start running corrupt rage phial instead of tepid vers since I lost like 1300+ crit and gained 1300+ vers?

[runic hinge]

Probably doesn’t matter

You can sim it but secondary stats are less impactful on sin just because they’re all good for us

[rancid wind]

Im not sure if this is the right tab for cata classic, but i was hoping someone could help me with a gearing question

[slate crown]

#classic-discussion There are classic/cata discords, that channel has info in its pins for getting to those discords, or you can ask in that channel.

[halcyon hamlet]

Would you rather press rupture in the last second of nightstalker window or press one more envenom if Kingsbane is going?

[slate crown]

Just envenom, don't worry about rupture + NS

[rancid wind]

thanks 🙂

[slate crown]

refresh rupture if it's fading and you need to refresh it, but don't think about the NS interaction with it, not significant enough to worry about

[halcyon hamlet]

Yeah kinda figured, thanks for the confirmation!

But Id rather still press Envenom if KB is still going and rupture drops for a second or two right?

[slate crown]

Rupture should not drop during KB

Especially during the final ticks, you want rupture up to improve KB tick damage

[ruby birch]

anyone familiar with this build?

would it be worth meld stealthing the dance kingsbane (set without dm)

or meld stealthing to reup bleeds

[runic hinge]

I only meld to try and get a restealth if the tank doesn’t let me or if I’m avoiding a boss mechanic

[stable jay]

Should I get Voice of the Silent Star with my bronze bullions or Seal of Diurna's? I already have dream carver, greiftorch, and embersoul

[ruby birch]

well i dont really need to meld for those reasons almost ever

with the exception of cheesing certain boss mechanics

so i might as well find the best way to get dam out of it

i think probably doing it for KB is the better option

[scenic nacelle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[stable jay]

how do you maximize the damage you get out of kingsbane?

[slate crown]

!guide - Opener rotation in these guides do all the things to do it. Lots of overlapping buffs, keeping up envenom, and shiv, other stuff

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[spiral mist]

have a question to the only mutilate during kingsbane/dm thing
do you still use blindside or no?

[balmy condor]

you can't avoid it even if you tried

so

yes

[nimble zinc]

I was kinda wondering this too. I think I’m gonna buy another dagger.

[spiral mist]

can you cancelaura it?

[balmy condor]

yeah but thats OMEGGGGGGGGGA trolling

[spiral mist]

kk got it
so just a normal mut on stealth bar
ty ❤️

[slate crown]

Voice of silent star is super whatever meh for damage, and it is a significant health loss. It can still be bought and catalysted for access to a heightened ilvl cloak though

[nimble zinc]

What are the stats of the catalyst cloak?

[slate crown]

Does it matter?

(I don’t know)

[nimble zinc]

True I guess a 535 cape would just sim higher regardless.

[spice surge]

Afaik you cannot catalyse a cloak from the bullions

[shy pecan]

Yeah

[slate crown]

Oh I thought you could, maybe I’m wrong

[spice surge]

You need it to drop or get it from vault for it to work

[slate crown]

Damn

[nimble zinc]

Wait so you can catalyze a 535 silent star but it would have to come from mythic raid / vault — not bullions?

[spice surge]

Yes

[nimble zinc]

Crazy

[stable jay]

what is catalyze?

[spice surge]

Its also just +7 ilvls on a cloak, very negligible

[nimble zinc]

Hmm 🤔

But it could make you 528?

is there a way to sim which phial works better?

i thought my sims used to tell me to use corrupt rage but i dont see it anymore

[balmy condor]

corrupting rage blows every other phial out of the water

the others aren't even a consideration

[nimble zinc]

awesome thanks

yeah i kinda figured 1100 crit was better than like 745 vers or 602 any other stat

so use corrupt rage even in raid?

[balmy condor]

especially in raid

[nimble zinc]

here's me stats for reference, not that stats matter per say...

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/illidan/kakureta

i wanna focus on upgrading my 2 crafted pieces

[balmy condor]

514 ilvl

yep looks good

[kind turtle]

This has probably been answered before, but do bleeds snapshot with mastery %?

[slate crown]

No

[thorn fjord]

@shy pecan all those sims i posted earlier were with splatter lmao

[shy pecan]

Smh my head

[thorn fjord]

always happens

[nimble zinc]

smhmh?

[peak bobcat]

when you get 2 KINGSBANES PARRIED on sark

[spice spire]

Go next

[peak bobcat]

Both with deathmark dude

I can’t with this game

[spice spire]

It’s ogre

[peak bobcat]

[icy acorn]

parry is probably one of the worst things in the game

there is literally no reason for it to still exist

[silk bane]

imagine not being trickster. parry these

[junior aurora]

couldnt hear you from all the way back here, too many pyroblast procs

[violet jackal]

Have you tried hitting it from behind?

[kind turtle]

Do the extra bleeds from Deathmark make the initial hit from Kingsbane do more damage?

if anyone knows

[runic hinge]

Lethal dose stacks, so probably

[kind turtle]

but do you think second garrote and rupture count? or does lethal dose only recognize each bleed once, uniquely. I was testing and it seemed like the first hit on Kings was doing the same with or without Deathmark.

[slate crown]

LD recognizes the duplicate stacks

The initial hit of KB is unaffected

the initial hit is not a damage over time

[kind turtle]

Got it. So the duplicate stack do not increase the initial hit of Kings. Thanks

[slate crown]

Well

No stacks increase it

But yes

[slate crown]

Ouro necklace (rarely useful shield) vs crafted neck (Flavor pocket)

[runic hinge]

Flavor pocket imo

[slate crown]

I have like 131 eggs left will I eat them all by the end of the expac

if I don't have flavor pocket

[vestal wren]

yes

[tawny pagoda]

Whats a bigger gain of using vanish in dungeons, use it for MA in KB window and pump hard bcs caustic or just for spreading stronger garrotes and ruptures in aoe ?

Im thinking the second option is just padding mby..

[balmy condor]

basically always spread

you're not doing keys high enough where vanishing for kb is going to make a difference

[tawny pagoda]

Ty

[grim jay]

Did you just assume his key level

[balmy condor]

yes

[cursive owl]

!makro

[primal jolt]

hello doomers

i already quit shaman

its been 1 day

time to test my luck on feral druid since its the closest thing to rogue

[hexed frost]

Second because your tank keeps chaining mobs

[queen egret]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grim jay]

Why tho

[clever sapphire]

understandable

[grim jay]

Monk

[primal jolt]

because of primordial wave

:)

[clever sapphire]

primo wave is fine

[primal jolt]

HELL NAH

[clever sapphire]

infinite haste

[grim jay]

Idk wave is kinda whatever

Ngl

[clever sapphire]

5 target fuck you

[primal jolt]

i miss old shaman primordial wave-less shaman

i dont wanna play around 1 spell

[clever sapphire]

feral is also not bad, but it gets boring imo

[primal jolt]

i mean feral is the closest to rogue as i can get tbh

so it shouldn't be boring i hope

[grim jay]

Feral is meh

[primal jolt]

never actually invested time in it

idk what im doing

[grim jay]

It would only be good if it could still use the claws of shirvalla Form

[primal jolt]

might download a rotation addon or something im feeling 5% dumber after learning like 5 other classes

[tawny pagoda]

So why dont u play rogue? 😄

[primal jolt]

because im disappointed 😎

[grim jay]

@balmy condor save this man

[primal jolt]

after i saw the hero talents for rpgue i learned how to play warrior, warlock, arcane mage, shaman, and now feral druid

there's no salvation

just suffering

I'm watching a feral dps guide rn

why are all the videos like 40 minutes long

i have like 5 buttons

[royal lantern]

because if there is 1 thing wow players love more then "minmaxing" their worldquest groups by going after tier lists

its making stuff look overly complicated for no reason

[sharp viper]

and yapping

[grim jay]

I mean there are also 10 min bm guides

While realistically it should be a 2 min guide

[royal lantern]

i Love the "omg arcane mage/shadow priest so complicated, look at the guides!!!1111!!!!"

and then the guide is just horrible formated

and can be summed up with "press shit on CD and do this order of abilitys during it, outside of that do filler->filler->filler->spender and repeat"

[cursive owl]

@clever sapphire

Disclamer : (Dont take these Stats seriously , just for Fun testing season )

[grim jay]

Like someone linked me a ss of the arcane opener

"OMG its so long"

But it has 4 steps between each barrage

That is just arcane blast x 4

WHY DO YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT A SEPARATE STEP

[royal lantern]

ofc its long when every 2nd sentence is "do this opener, if you have this talent skilled (which you have skilled) i write the entire opener again but with the talent included now, repeat with every single talent"

[clever sapphire]

close

[cursive owl]

still missing 1 back and 1 ring :>

[clever sapphire]

soon TM

[cursive owl]

👍

[strange python]

Are you talking about tww arcane or?

Because you don’t really barrage in cds as arcane besides once

[clever sapphire]

nah its just arcane in general

[strange python]

Bro anything outside of cds doesn’t matter

But arcane is very specific in cds

[clever sapphire]

its specific in the first 12 seconds

after that its just arcane charge/arcane missiles

[strange python]

Well

[clever sapphire]

thats it

[strange python]

It does that every minute / half of it and at 2 minutes

• your cds are very desynced because you spend until a certain point of evocation and whatnot

It’s definitely not as simple as blast - missiles

[clever sapphire]

actually they are not as desynced as it might appear at first

[strange python]

Well in theory they are not

[clever sapphire]

because you cast cds when evoc has 18 sec left

anyways this is assa discord not arcane

back to topic

feck deathstalker

[strange python]

What topic

That’s wrong channel

We have a tww channel

[clever sapphire]

ah its fine

[strange python]

[clever sapphire]

close enough

[strange python]

Im just joking

[grim jay]

Its a random point in time

Something that once happened

[pseudo hamlet]

Can anyone tell me what's happening?

(2 different sims, droptimizers from Vault and from the vendor)

[limber lion]

Trinket order matters

[pseudo hamlet]

I noticed that the second didn't upgrade my Neltharion trinket up to 535(it's 525)

[grim jay]

Trinket order is use order

[clever sapphire]

but why does he do more dmg with grieftorch as first trinket

[limber lion]

Send a quick sim with the top sim and look what it does

[clever sapphire]

is that a nonupgraded ashes?

[grim jay]

Dunno what his other options are and their ilvl.

[clever sapphire]

fair point

[primal jolt]

whos gonna teach me how to play feral druid

[willow kite]

Assuming ashes + grieftorch in ST, I assume we do kb window with ashes and then grieftorch afterwards?

[primal jolt]

its basically rogue

[balmy condor]

yes

[frosty bridge]

wait we can't catalyse cloak we buy with bullions

[clever sapphire]

yap

[clever sapphire]

feral has a lot of little thigns you can minmax on

so gl

[primal jolt]

dies

[clever sapphire]

but its kinda the same as assa in dungeons, spread bleeds, do no dmg on boss without cooldowns, cry in a corner until cooldowns up

[grim jay]

If you dont deal dmg outside of CDs on sin you are doing smth wrong

(in aoe)

[glass hemlock]

Does ilvl = damage
Assuming you’re doing rotations etc correctly?

More damage*

[grim jay]

For sure

A lot

[clever sapphire]

ye i meant on bosses

thats why i typed "no dmg on boss"

[glass hemlock]

Nice, I’m between 180-250 max overall at 502

[grim jay]

Ye but thats where you hold

[pseudo hamlet]

I guess the reason was that in the S4 Vendor you can upgrade Neltharion trinket up to 535, while in Vault it only goes up to 528.
Didn't expect the difference to be that noticeable to be honest.

[grim jay]

Bcs you got aoe outside of CDs

And you save them for Boss

If you are close

[grim jay]

I mean the nelth trinket isnt that good

In actuality

Dunno if id get it either way

[glass hemlock]

In AoE I see people basically doing every second mutilate as fan before envenom. Seem right?

[clever sapphire]

in aoe you press mut to keep up spatter

[glass hemlock]

So mutilate, fan, envenom

Yeah that’s what I mean

[clever sapphire]

ye but you only need to mutilate every 8-9 seconds

[glass hemlock]

Oooh I see yep

[clever sapphire]

its fine in m+ tbf

[pseudo hamlet]

Got Ashes first, wanted a second trinket that would've been good for M+ and Raiding. Went with the Nelth trinket, because it seems most versatile. Will be getting Grieftoch this week for bullions for sure(other options were just higher upgrade).

[grim jay]

Grief is versatile wdym

[grim jay]

Its actually the same

Rng can still fuck you over just like in st

[clever sapphire]

but as you said, in aoe you do dmg without cooldowns also

aka hugging squid is a gain even there

[grim jay]

I mean it is, but grief still seems more appealing due to that

[pseudo hamlet]

No need to focus on cast time, can just do my job while fighting not caring about it. It also sims really high for Dungeon Slice.

[grim jay]

You know what you get, it has an aoe component, you can get prio damage and you can deal with stuff like Totem

[grim jay]

Wdym focus on, you just press it

And ye, the sims are an average, but it can troll you if you "need" it

[pseudo hamlet]

That's exactly what I meant, a bonus thing I have to pay attention to. I also hate trinkets that have casting times or requires me to wait(such as Puzzle box from AA or Boon from Dathea).

[rotund oak]

boon is so cringe it can actually kill you

huge bait

[icy acorn]

just cloak

[limber lion]

That's grieftorch right there

It's a channel

[clever sapphire]

if you dont press cloak and evasion and 2 shadowsteps when using boon you are doing something wrong

change my mind

[limber lion]

But it's worth the ass pain

Because it'a dank and big deeps

[pseudo hamlet]

I don't like it, though it seems more "stable"(gives big agility passive and damage is just* one simple cast*, so the RNG aspect is almost zero compared to Neltharion), so that's my next to-buy this week.

[limber lion]

Sure thing, but be wary of cancelling the torch whenever you use it :D

You say it's one simple cast but you'll end up cancelling the effect many many timea until you learn to take your hands off the keyboard whenever you press the button

[pseudo hamlet]

Didn't know about that! Thanks for the info. Thought it's like the Fyr'alath cast(cannot be canceled)

[limber lion]

Nope you definitely can

You press it and press w right after and it's donezo

[next dust]

can anyone link talents for this week m+

[pseudo hamlet]

BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQSkkIBAAAAAAItkItkAAAAAAAtWSCSgkkSKBRkEJJJJRrViEA

Arterial Shock - best for forti for me 😄

[potent raven]

o dman

i forgot to open my vault

@clever sapphire praying for helmet

no helmet

gg

[clever sapphire]

xD

i got 3k gold

[potent raven]

damn

pants and neck

wdym 3k gold

like total

[clever sapphire]

ye

i took the thingies

[potent raven]

damn bby girl send ur name i will transfer some to u x

[clever sapphire]

and got 3k gold

[potent raven]

ohh

u mean that

LOL

aint no way

[clever sapphire]

[clever sapphire]

fully socketed

[potent raven]

ok i kindan eed the neck

and the pants

hard choice but i wont sim

[clever sapphire]

pants you can get

[potent raven]

let me think

[clever sapphire]

neck you only can get from vault

[potent raven]

w. my luck im not seeing pants in 3 more weeks

man wtf i just wanna recraft my gear

[clever sapphire]

holy shit i butchered that sentence

[potent raven]

why

youre right

neck you cant get myth thats good kinda hard

like

this neck is good

haste mast

[clever sapphire]

i butchered as in my english sucked ass there

[potent raven]

man fck

cant wait to ask for a craft

[frosty bridge]

bullion tindral?

neck, that is

[potent raven]

u cant get it right

thats not a thing

u can only get volc neck

w. bullion

[frosty bridge]

ah, probably true

i got that same neck from vault and took it

[potent raven]

yes i will

[frosty bridge]

not like the difference is big

[potent raven]

my 1st time playing wow

where i didnt do my 8 weeklies

sad what the game has become and is going to be

[clever sapphire]

im probably only doing my weeklys if im helping out friends or boosting

[potent raven]

oh

wait aint no way i have raid today

bruh im just gonna quit its not fun lol

[clever sapphire]

quit s4

thats the play

[potent raven]

my wow career was short but cool

[fallen arch]

Does Chaos Brand boost our Nature damage?

Or am I tripping

[strange python]

What, you can press w while torching that not cancelling it

[limber lion]

You can move while torching?

[strange python]

Yes

[limber lion]

Since when

[strange python]

Since s4

[fallen arch]

Yes you can move when torching

[limber lion]

Well then

That's cool

I wouldn't know, I don't touch s4

[strange python]

Smart man

Should’ve done the same

[steel parrot]

Looking for builds in wowhead, which one is the easiest? Also for leveling, just lvl 20 yet

[rotund oak]

u touching beta at least aight?

[limber lion]

Nah

[rotund oak]

[limber lion]

I've retired

[potent raven]

i think so too

retirement at the age of 23

[royal lantern]

outlaw moment

[potent raven]

outlaw damaged my wrist forever

[kind forge]

beeing 23 again ...

[gusty mirage]

Okay old man, let’s get you back inside

[grim jay]

oxi said, while looking through the window to observe his neighbourhood, reminiscing about his youth

[spice surge]

I walk a lonely road, the only one that i have ever known

[normal mist]

Probably the leveling build?

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/rain-sitting-in-the-rain-sad-sitting-drinking-tea-in-rain-gif-24836439

[normal mist]

Don't worry too much until you're 70

[grim jay]

The lyrics just flooding in after reading one sentence

[glass hemlock]

What’s the best way to get a review on my damage? Post logs in here? I feel like I’m doing well since I have only been doing rogue for a few weeks and still low ilvl/keys… unless not really worth review until higher keys

[grim jay]

Good times

[normal mist]

I don't really believe we review m+ logs

[glass hemlock]

I am pretty consistent 150-200k dps in raid or m+ at 502 ilvl

Ah that’s okay then!

180-200*

[normal mist]

For 502 that sounds good

So if you're following the wowhead guide you should be gucci

[glass hemlock]

That’s what I like to hear haha. Legit only started rogue a few weeks ago and just wowhead/whispyr videos and you guys helping

Many thanks

[normal mist]

You are already following D god himself,

So just do what he tells you to do and you're more than ready to tackle harder challenges

[glass hemlock]

Woot

[gusty mirage]

best bet is to have someone peek at your raid logs, there's a ton of factors in keys that could wildly impact your dps (how the tank pulls the dungeon, i.e. size of the packs, tank who chains improperly, etc). But chances are you're doing MUCH better than you think

[glass hemlock]

I certainly hope I’m doing well and I definitely feel like I am!

[pseudo pelican]

hi for m+ do you lose much for not applying crippling with dragon-Tempered blades talented ? still learning assa and can't seem to find what you'd lose for not having crippling since its sanguine and i don't want the slows

[gusty mirage]

you, my friend, are a gamer

[normal mist]

Now all you need is ilvl

[gusty mirage]

I would skip crippling this week, it's a small amount of dps loss that doesn't even matter for bosses (crippling doesn't apply to bosses)

[pseudo pelican]

ty

[grim jay]

Can aswell run the AP Shock build

[pseudo pelican]

the tyrannical build ? doesn't that also use dragon tempered ?

[grim jay]

No it doesnt

Its the more bleed focused variation

[pseudo pelican]

oh i'll look into it thanks

[grim jay]

Its also arguably better on lower keys

So everything up to 14ish atleast

[pseudo pelican]

ok thanks alot

[steel parrot]

Oh i didnt see it, i just went to the m+ section haha

[neon berry]

Hey! Is there anyone that would help me look at my log to see where to improve in raid? Might be missing something and how much emphasis do I put in sanguine blade uptime?

[spice surge]

You do not think about sanguine blades at all

[neon berry]

Just bonus damage really then?

[hollow wren]

hello guys, new bullions to spend and new question : as raider player better is Voice of the Silent Star or Seal of Filial Duty?

[gusty mirage]

personally I'd go ring

[nimble zinc]

I don’t run dragon tempered in M+. Run either the slower cast time or the reduced damage ones.

[nimble zinc]

Yeah I bought the ring 2 weeks ago. Huge mastery and it goes up to 535.

[hollow wren]

pretty confused right now because on logs i see rather ring than cloak

[nimble zinc]

Yeah sanguine blades always does better for me in keys than it does in raid. I think because I don’t have as many targets with bleeds giving me energy regen back?

[hollow wren]

still thinking about raids, im not high keys pusher player

[grim jay]

Bcs Ring is good for m+ aswell

And cloak sucks there

Also some people have a crafted bcs of sub bcs they looked at the sheet

[nimble zinc]

You could always run a sim to see which one sims higher. But I would personally go ring. Cape doesn’t have any Stamina.

[lunar thicket]

idk what to get with the bullions this week, got the wep, 2 trinkets and the fire ring (damage, not shield)

[hollow wren]

this is exactly my situation too 😄

[lunar thicket]

i guess the ring is a really good option, specially for the defensive

is the cloak bad for m+?

[hollow wren]

idk, Davyn said it sucks in m+ so ye

but if u m+ player u should go for the ring

i probably go for cloak

[grim jay]

No stamina can potentially kill you real fast

[gusty mirage]

yeah it breaks stealth very often

[hollow wren]

first ~100 logs is like 5 rings but everyone have cloak in raids

[gusty mirage]

plus the no stamina

!stealthbreak

[prisma monolith]

Stealth can break from:

• Evokers legendary buff expiring and bouncing back to the Evoker.
• Ominous Chromatic Essence trinket on buff gain
• Voice of the Silent Star when wearing it yourself
• Misterweaver soothing mist when talented into Unison
• Blossom of Amirdrassil (trinket) initial hot dropping/spreading
• Vicious brand (Signet trinket self damage)

[gusty mirage]

fun times

that's why you'll notice a lot of rogues who got the cloak from mythic sark chose to catalyze it

for a 535 regular cloak lmao

[lunar thicket]

wow, thats a bit of a power move

[hollow wren]

it can be catalyzed? 😄

[gusty mirage]

the one from the boss yes, the one from the vendor no

because this game is fantastic and totally makes all the sense in the world

[hollow wren]

+1

[vestal wren]

if you want to confuse a non rogue player try explaining how stealth works

[primal jolt]

i love rogue

so many cool features

like the stealth break

or our very iconic kingsbane parry

💪

[pure moth]

Just can never be in front of boss/mob. Kind of a written rule

[gusty mirage]

they could just design bosses like halondrus

where he can't parry

[junior panther]

Jw if there's any videos explaining assassination rotation? Ty

[gusty mirage]

I believe whispyr has one on his youtube channel

[junior panther]

I'll check it out ty

[gusty mirage]

ST video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piJ2sq8yNBQ

AoE one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st6UJOP5Ok4

[junior panther]

Tyty

[vocal trail]

what is the best main and off hand for this spec?

i see on wowhead but sometimes ppl get different opinions

[spice surge]

Nick of time offhand

Mainhand doesnt matter

[limber lion]

Just the highest ilvl main hand you can find

[queen egret]

we play atrophic + wound in keys this weeke?

[spice surge]

Never play wound as assa

[vocal trail]

wanna exchange for bullions thats why im asking

[limber lion]

Yeah, doesn't matter.

You can sim em to see which one is the best

But it's all gonna be within ~0.2% anyways

[spice surge]

Probably just get the dreamcarver, go use the effect on a dragon once and get +10% speed and then forget about it

[vocal trail]

xD

[rigid haven]

what do you guys think ab poison bomb in M+?

[waxen oyster]

it's a talent

[dark token]

Any mainland with avoidance

[ancient tangle]

Does the PI option of simc works well with assa ?

[spice surge]

yes

[ancient tangle]

ok thx 🙂

[clever sapphire]

Wound only in pvp as assa probably. Also just a heads up, if you use slow poison the tanks are gonna get madge with you

Even more so if you aoe shiv the mobs when they are low

[upper summit]

How important is it to stay over 150 energy for the sanguine blades effect

didn’t see anything in the wowhead guide about it

[gusty mirage]

you don't play around sanguine blades at all, it's just kinda passively there

[runic hinge]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[upper summit]

Thanks 😊

[true condor]

masters, is it reasonable that i got 50k overall dps cap compare to ret in M+ feels like i could do alot at the beginninf but ret could catch up and beyond when mu burst gone

spill issue or its common

[tawdry dust]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spice spire]

Depends on a lot including pack size. Ret very goodge tho. Could be reasonable

Would have to see spell sequencing and cd usage to determine

[dark token]

im never getting a good kazarra log am i

parry kingsbane

2:05 killtime

blue parse

[thorn fjord]

Man our kill times all suck

And I have guildies intentionally trying to get me killed every other pull

So I have a ton of grey parses

Guild is toxic af

I’ll get pulled into bad by one of the priests

[slate crown]

kill them back

[thorn fjord]

How lol

[slate crown]

Idn, tricksthem on trash, pull trash to them and vanish

say they pulled it

Offer shroud to skip a pack then cancel shroud early

[thorn fjord]

I used to tricks the RL throughout fights on reclear

He loved that

[untold igloo]

worth to snapshot nightstalker ruptures with vanish @ end of kingsbane windows or naw? i know people used to but now i havent played sin in a while and don't see people doin it on logs

[thorn fjord]

Yeah we’re still hitting vanish towards the end of KB

[slate crown]

Snapshot rupture not really worth or important

Just envenom

[untold igloo]

yes, im wondering if we are sending snapshotted ruptures or just envenoming last kingsbane gcd

[thorn fjord]

Oh I didn’t read the rupture mb

[slate crown]

If rupture is fading and in pandemic

and your current envenom will outlast kb

then you can rupture if you want

[untold igloo]

i just wanna know what's generally bis

[slate crown]

it's not that big of a difference either way

[thorn fjord]

If I have cp I usually vanish to Env

If not I’ll vanish gar Env

[untold igloo]

and what about tea? sending last 6 seconds of kingsbanes but also i see logs of people sending with dance before kingsbane cast? is mastery buff snapshot on the kingsbane cast or? generally better to send extra teas (non last 6 seconds of kingsbane teas) outside cooldowns or with?

[thorn fjord]

I’ve only been sending Tea in KB window after second shiv

[untold igloo]

right but 3 charges so where are extras best put

[thorn fjord]

When you’re low on energy

[slate crown]

Mastery buff is not snapshotted into KB

[untold igloo]

is low on energy when pooling between cds better than tea for final 12 seconds of kingsbane tho

[slate crown]

AFAIK sims never showed that stacking up tea during the entire KB / DM was worth over just using on the final 6, people just started doing it cause they saw other people doing it

it "makes sense" to do it intuitively but you are potentially wasting energy from the tea doing it

So I don't know

[untold igloo]

idk either. but seeing as how bursty cd window is, i can imagine sending 2 teas for last 12 seconds of kingsbane with deathmark overlap even if you are 300/300 energy when u press both teas might just be better than sending at 150 energy between kingsbanes just for 1 more envenom chain

my brain would think that surely its better

[slate crown]

possibly, and many people do it so you'd just be with the rest of the pack doing it either way

Also in the opener (not every DM) you are at 3 charges so

every second you don't use tea is a second of wasted recharge time

[untold igloo]

ya especially for opener

[slate crown]

so there's value in getting it rolling sooner

[thorn fjord]

Feel like those extra teas may be negligible

[slate crown]

Personally I don't, but that's just because my muscle memory for the opener does not include a tea

[thorn fjord]

For my play style I much prefer having it between CDs to keep the buttons rolling

[slate crown]

so just from having the sequence ingrained in me I only do last 6 sec

[thorn fjord]

I’m still just following your weak aura tbh lmao

The less brain power being used the better for me

[slate crown]

But i'm also not a parse fiend

[thorn fjord]

But I’m dumb… I don’t bother with the pandemic Env debuff and just keep spamming Env as much as possible

Keeping in mind to not have the debuff drop

But not really caring much either

[untold igloo]

haha im no parse fiend, just like to know what's bis or at least try to figure out. with ashes and pot and lust, doin >1.5 million single target during opener, surely x2 tea for last 12 seconds of kingsbane is better than saving for chaining envenoms between cds when you're doing <200k

i mean that makes sense right

[slate crown]

Yeah

Just as a reflexive position though

[untold igloo]

im bad at math. we get 5th tea @ 2 min ye?

[slate crown]

many things that "make sense" don't bear out in sims

Not saying that's the case here, just a reflex I try to remember

[thorn fjord]

I’m still able to parse well given my play style

So it proves that it’s relative to the player

Somewhat at least

[slate crown]

Should, yes. it's really a 1 min cd, number of uses is like a 1min cd, then +2

[untold igloo]

right so, i would think bis for patchwerk would be 2 teas in opener for last 12 sec kingsbane, then 1 tea last 6 seconds next kingsbane, then tea #4 and #5 with 2nd 2 minutes, again for last 12 sec kingsbane

that's what my brain figures. for the rare longer fights maybe holding a couple or playin for aoe or w.e but for pure single target

[thorn fjord]

Sounds exhausting

@slate crown KB wa is still kosher right?

[untold igloo]

i mean its 5 buttons over 2.5 minutes

[slate crown]

Yah

[slate crown]

Well, it also only assumes tea for last 6 sec, not double tea

[untold igloo]

that do sound pretty bis to me

[slate crown]

but otherwise yeah

[thorn fjord]

Right which is fine imo

We should get some keys in again this weekend @slate crown I need crests

Finally got double BSL last night but now I need to make another ring for M+

[slate crown]

Nice I'm down

[untold igloo]

also is meta still always sending finishers at 4+ combo points? it hasn't changed to 5+ has it

save for the 5+ which seems to be best for envenom buff into 2 mins

[thorn fjord]

Only time you’d mut at 4 is if you’re about to send DM

So your Env buff doesn’t drop

But yeah 4 cp

[untold igloo]

tyty

[untold igloo]

or is the other case scenario garrote after sealed fate shiv+kingsbane? u envenom @ 4 or nightstalker garrote. id think envenom cuz 6 second nightstalker dance can still garrote snapshot next gcd

[thorn fjord]

Not sure I understand

[untold igloo]

seal fate gets u 4 combo points off of shiv+kingsbane going into 2 mins

do u garrote or envenom next gcd @ 4

[thorn fjord]

I meant the Env you cast prior to sending dm -> shiv -> sd -> kb

[untold igloo]

ye i got that one

[thorn fjord]

Pretty sure I gar

[untold igloo]

but answer is prob envenom right? cuz in general but especially in the opener, garrote there is wasted cuz it's not in pandemic range yet and u can just send next gcd right

[thorn fjord]

Right

[untold igloo]

i guess for opener but idk for @ 2 minutes cuz the garrote u have running isn't nightstaklered for the running deathmark but idk that's gotta be a tiny impact choice

[thorn fjord]

Really dependent on the fight and what’s going on

I usually try to model my 2m as close to opener as possible

Mostly because of muscle memory and having to think less

[ancient tangle]

on 5min+ fights the Brand is better than the Torch isn't it ?

[grim jay]

just use torch is the tldr

[runic hinge]

It’s barely better if no one dies. If you get one reset torch probably back ahead

[ancient tangle]

ok ty 🙂

[clever sapphire]

And there is no way nobody dies

There is always one cocky dps hungry person who dies from the most random shit

[untold igloo]

how does grieftorch work with sin? do any of our talents apply the its damage? is the first torch always sent after 1st cooldowns?

[spice surge]

Theres nothing that buffs its damage no

[slate crown]

Versatility? I thought vers boosted item damage

[spice surge]

And ye you just send it after cds

[slate crown]

(not a class thing)

[spice surge]

Ok mb i meant no talents buff it

Vers and crit definite buffs it

[slate crown]

Just making sure I understood right heh

[vital wasp]

Hey guys quick question: If kingsbane and deathmark dont line in m+ just always send kingsbane or wait for it to line with deathmark?

[limber lion]

That's kind of on you to make the decision

If you don't need to burst a mob, you might wanna hold like 20s for dm

If there is something to burst, might wanna send

Might wanna send even if dm comes in 10s if you know the mob would die before kb + dm would finish on the target

Might wanna send if you know a bosa is coming up and on which you wanna have em both ready for

So on

[vital wasp]

Ok makes sense

What would be the most dmg output if I dont have to consider the stuff you just wrote?

sitting on kingsbane for 30s or sitting on deathmark for 30s without using it

[spice surge]

Again, it depends

[limber lion]

But you have to consider it

Depends on fight length if we talk about patchwork dummies

Not really a black and white solution there

[spice surge]

If youre doing a big pull in like 1 minute, using a kingsbane and then holding deathmark is more worth, if youre doing a big pull in 30 seconds then its more worth to hold the kingsbane for the deathmark

[placid wave]

that's the fun part of what makes each key a little diff as opposed to most raid fights 😄

[vital wasp]

Okay I understand. Thank you very much guys for the detailled answers 🙂 ❤️

[placid wave]

and sometimes you'll hold thinking your tank is about to do a big pull and they single pull a pack and you cry

[vital wasp]

Freakin love the rogue discord

[placid wave]

thats how it be

[vital wasp]

[clever sapphire]

I learned to send in that case

If i dont do dmg because he cant pull for shit, it wont be my fault for not using anything

[mental patrol]

Hey guys, do you know of any bulds for singles in the War Within beta?

[spice surge]

#tww-assassination Pins 📌

[soft shale]

dont worry most of us are single

[old obsidian]

mmmm, really this 2 at the same time is cool?

[spice spire]

No

They’re both good during cd windows and one is a lot better

They lose a lot of dps not used with cd windows

Which is why it’s recommended ashes + grief

[blazing jewel]

Is fragment still broken with mut

[soft shale]

and other things

just use ashes really

[runic hinge]

I think it’s fixed but still worse

[blazing jewel]

Pog

[limber lion]

No fixed and it's very good

Obviously still loses to Ashes but still very good and easily achievable

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

3min cd for a 1/2min cd spec

math is not in its favor

[blazing jewel]

Jokes on you

Using that trinket requires playing the game

[gusty mirage]

jokes on you

no it doesn't

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

you can go on wowhead and right click it and pretend

[blazing jewel]

Never

Only thing I use wowhead for is whispyrs review of the hero talents

[shy pecan]

Imagine going on any site involving WoW...

[gusty mirage]

wow so you're the reason I'm not making anything off my IV page

imagine not refreshing my page 10 times a day

[shy pecan]

Oh

I’ve been caught

[runic hinge]

I read your sub guide a few times. I don’t want to play sub tho

[gusty mirage]

was it helpful

I feel like it kinda sucks

like me

[shy pecan]

Same

[runic hinge]

It was helpful. And then I hit a dummy for a while and it was alright. Then I did volcoross and blue parsed and said sub isn’t for me

[gusty mirage]

🤝

I'm glad it was somewhat useful

sub with dust is stinky tho

all the homies hate dust

[runic hinge]

Yeah I’m pretty sure I onyl vanished once lol

I didn’t get it

[gusty mirage]

it's okay

dust takes learning sub

[runic hinge]

I don’t mind sub tbh when I just play Db but dust isn’t that great to use. Too much thinking. My brain too smooth

[gusty mirage]

and makes it 1000 times more annoying

when you have to have a spreadsheet for timings

it's kinda cancer

[runic hinge]

Asssa much easier. Send everything on cd and don’t fuck up your shivs

If dust isn’t the main gameplay of sub in tww I’ll probably play it some

[gusty mirage]

looking like you can avoid it

plus double vanish is a no go

lmao

2pt subterfuge

you need to commit 4 points into: soothing darkness, 2 into subterfuge, and 1 into double vanish

kinda stinky

[runic hinge]

Yeah. Class tree a little wack rn

[slate crown]

saw fuu and armin looking into it earlier and it looks like it may still be on the table . Might be. It hasn't been taken out back yet.

[gusty mirage]

the only thing saving it is ER is dogshit for sub

lmao

[ruby birch]

Nothing is saving sub

[runic hinge]

If it’s less than 5% to not take it I’m gonna avoid it. Ez pz

[balmy condor]

5.1%

your move tony

[runic hinge]

Assa one trick it is

[shy pecan]

Gottem

[dark token]

There is some minmax of CDs for sure

On 3-4 min fights I've been doing dm -> KB -> KB -> DM

[runic hinge]

True. I got some wack kill timers so I could probably save dm for execute

[dark token]

With 522 fragment rather than ashes

Same for <2 min fights run frag

On zakali I don't CD on pull, I grieftorch on pull then CD at 20s to get a full execute dm + fragment

[tacit charm]

cant upgrade any items. is this a me thing or a wow thing

[viscid light]

im having that issue too

[placid jolt]

i have that as well, have to turn off elvui, reload, upgrade, then re-enable

[drowsy lotus]

What’s the best way to use dagger I assume it’s on cooldown but do people macro it to a basic ability like mutilate?

[balmy condor]

You use it once on a dragon while you’re out flying in the world

And then never use it again

[drowsy lotus]

So how does the buff proc then?

[runic hinge]

What buff

What proc

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[slate crown]

You cast it, and it gives you a perma buff until you cast it on another unit

that's how it gives you the buff

[drowsy lotus]

Ok I’m stupid I confused the buff with trinket proc sorry

So it’s really a useless buff? What do people get

[runic hinge]

Dragon for the speed

[drowsy lotus]

Is it just bis because of higher ilvl lol

[slate crown]

It has the same ilvl as any other myth track

It's only "bis" because it has the effects above and other myth track daggers don't

that's literally it

[balmy condor]

10% speed good

[thorn fjord]

FAST BOIZ

[tacit charm]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LAfYj2Gx3By6gmvc#fight=27&type=damage-done&source=22

I feel like seal is not worth

in a 5:30 fight it only did 500k, I feel like if I get better stats it will do more than that

[earnest remnant]

seems about right for the ring

you are just putting to much thought into it, its just a ring + a lil extra

[dark token]

Assa doesn't care about stats much

It's just a regular ring with a small proc

So it's bis cause it has some dmg

Its not a giga huge DPS gain or anything

[grim jay]

Tell that to my engi head that had a 5k diff between stats

[primal jolt]

one could say that im shredding the dps meters now

😎

feral druid gang

[royal python]

For the last 3-4 days my cruel dreamcarver buff has stayed unchanged on kalimdors tenacity - reduces physical damage by 3%. But it also says changes each day. Bug or not ?

[runic hinge]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[runic hinge]

You use it on a mob and it changes

[royal python]

like the 3% magic DR, the specific buff changes everyday, but this one isn't, it's constant on kalimdor tenacity

[royal lantern]

probably bugged

and its S4, so yeha, bugged

[chilly dagger]

hey guys i am a new rogue player and my question is wich talent build is good for this week ?

[fallen arch]

The standard m+ wowhead one probably

Arterial Shock it’s called I believe

[clever sapphire]

if you are doing keys under 12-15 i would always just play the arterial shock build, no matter the week

[primal jolt]

i wont lie

druid discord is kinda cringe

i am gonna play feral and take notes from here

what could go wrong

I'll just pretend I'm sin rogue

[royal lantern]

my man, you write in #assassination rn

[primal jolt]

based

[clever sapphire]

druid discord is full with furries

[royal lantern]

again, you write in #assassination

[clever sapphire]

ye we are full with germans

wdym

[primal jolt]

what's worse

furries or germans

wait kekw moonkins have a Google docs of people sending walls of class dooming messages

im actually dead

KEKW

this is funny

What’s up with the Druid "discord? Balance channel especially is just non stop off topic conversations. The past 20+ minutes of messages should be in off topic or general. I came here looking for recent chatter in the class. druid discord could stand to be a little stricter with moderation because sometimes it feels like the off-topic channel is unused redundant. nicest thing i can say about that i've been here since prepatch started and sometimes its like trying to talk over a party"

this one is hilarious

because its the same situation in #assassination

[halcyon crypt]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[clever sapphire]

ye but we just dont care about the off topic as long as the people that ask questions actually get their answers imo

[sonic schooner]

famous outlaw sentence

Back on topic

[primal jolt]

i mean idc not like any of you bozos could teach me anything about sin

im too cool for you guys

😎

[sonic schooner]

[primal jolt]

wait who gave you the doomer title

god damn self proclaimed doomers

[sonic schooner]

check my 740 last messages

i bet 730 of them are dooming

[primal jolt]

thats pretty weak bro

[sonic schooner]

[clever sapphire]

he is yellow, yellow is all about dooming since the acro changes

[sonic schooner]

^

This pinky name cooler than you already

[primal jolt]

i hope one day blizzard removes outlaw and sub

and then assa will be the only spec

one day

[sonic schooner]

i hope one day blizzard removes melee specs so not more dooming to be a melee anymore

[primal jolt]

i hope blizzard one day removes

so no more dooming

[sonic schooner]

[clever sapphire]

blizzard moment "we didnt know how to remove parry from the game, so we removed all melee specs"

[primal jolt]

yes correct

maybe they'll make a rdps rogue

knife thrower

[sonic schooner]

They already removed casters and casts

Now there are only melees and ranges

[royal python]

if the bullion drop rate is 1 per week, how we are expected to farm all the bullion transmogs ?

[clever sapphire]

bullion transmog?

you mean the weapons?

[royal python]

yeah

there are tons of them to be farmed

[clever sapphire]

dunno, i just have 2 more rogues so i would just get all the bullions on them and get the weapons there

[sonic schooner]

Having alts is the best way I think yea

[clever sapphire]

either having alts or not giving a feck

[sonic schooner]

How many locks in SL bought gavel with bullions

Just for the mog

And back then we had a total of 3 buys the entire seaosn

Mogs are about comitement

[royal python]

do the bullion mogs, just mimic the lfr, normal, heroic, mythic variant looks, or are they different from them

[clever sapphire]

its the same

you are buying the item on lfr version and upgrade it up to mythic

[primal jolt]

hello everyone i just wanted to let everyone know that ret paladin is a really hard class 🤓👆 and that its way harder than rogue, just to let you guys know because rogue is a joke because how easy it is to play

[normal mist]

Just a heads up, if you buy the transmog and not the item, you will need to buy all 4 different recolours independently

[normal mist]

Was there a rogue talk over on pallies discord?

[clever sapphire]

huh, how do you buy transmog and not the item

[normal mist]

There's a separate vendor

[clever sapphire]

waaaaat

[normal mist]

Next to the wall on your right

[clever sapphire]

didnt even know that

[normal mist]

It's been there since day one my dood xD

1 bullion per appearance

Only sells weapons

I'll simply run LFR with some alts before the season ends and buy most appearances

[clever sapphire]

ah damn there are a lot of those

[fallen arch]

Idk this guy is trolling

[normal mist]

:/

[fallen arch]

Scroll up, he’s just talking nonsense

[normal mist]

Maybe he's maining deathstalker already

[fallen arch]

Seems best to ignore him

[primal jolt]

no but that's the reply i get every time i talk to a ret

had one just now so i figured sharing my experience

talking to a difficult class

[primal jolt]

you aren't?

[primal jolt]

damn 💔

[grim jay]

Idk why anyone would talk to rets

Except for some select few

[normal mist]

I mean I have a close friend that only plays prot/ret and he's not a bad guy, actually pretty good in pvp

[primal jolt]

protagonists

man feral druid is so weird

why is there 6-7 cds

i feel like im playing sub rogue or something

they aren't even like anything to think about, you just send it off cd

[normal mist]

Just like sub!

[primal jolt]

😭

i meant cd wise not send it wise

[strange python]

What fucking 6-7cds do you have on your feral

Convoke berserk and what?

[clever sapphire]

tigers fury, the claw thingy that builds cp

i cant think about more

[strange python]

There’s only tigers fury but that’s not a cd on retail

It’s 90% uptime

Feral frenzy if you would count that as a cd with current tier I can see that

[clever sapphire]

ye i meant feral frenzy

[strange python]

Yeye figured so

So like berserk convoke and frenzy

[clever sapphire]

the only "thinking" about those cooldowns is using frenzy before convoke

and thats it

[grand comet]

is there a haste cap? ive seen sim suggests ~3.4k(without buffs) meanwhile most people ive seen run around 4.4k

[strange python]

Don’t think about numbers

[clever sapphire]

nah there are no caps

its all about what sims the highest

[strange python]

You go robot and sim and he tells you what to put on

Every character is different

[clever sapphire]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[grand comet]

[strange python]

I love this Mast = Crit = Haste ahh answer

[clever sapphire]

i mean it is true

[strange python]

It is

I love the way it’s written with the quick recommendation

[clever sapphire]

i simmed different stats on my crafted gear, realised its all within like 500 dps

[strange python]

And it just recommends every stat

[clever sapphire]

and just bought the cheapest one

[grand comet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7iqPBaUUAR224dGPe8VtdG this was the latest sim i did last night

i think i bought like 200 gems in the past 2 weeks

[spice surge]

Brother dont regem

If you sim again without changing anything its gonna show a different one being the highest, because the sim has some variance to it. Heres the article that theyve written that shows up about it if you press the "sidegrade" link https://support.raidbots.com/article/61-top-gear-sidegrades

[clever sapphire]

i have crit vers boots on, they are the same crit vers boots as if i catalysted them but the catalyst has a different name. Sim usually shows the catalyst boots as a 0.1% upgrade

what i wanna say, sim can just spew nonsense when its such a small thing

[grand comet]

meaning they are within margin or error if i understand correctly

[clever sapphire]

what the cursed kind of build is this

no deeper, no iw

[grand comet]

i like the range in some of the dungeons

like HOI BH

NO

this is what id run otherwise

[thorn fjord]

Found out yesterday you cant put shadowflame emb on a ring

Was not happy

lol

[gusty mirage]

it's an armor patch

how could you possibly armor patch a ring

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/brass-knuckles-knuckles-knuckle-duster-titane-knuckles-knucks-gif-10129292627361939964

Tell me that it cant function as armor

Its a ring

[gusty mirage]

that is not a ring

[grim jay]

Its called Schlagring in german

[gusty mirage]

yeah and your ambulance is called a KRANKENWAGEN

whats your point

[grim jay]

Hey thats mean

But a wagen is a vehicle

[gusty mirage]

German is one of the most literal languages on the planet

[grim jay]

And an ambulance is a vehicle

Just with a special name

[cunning magnet]

Anyone else noticed we essentially have 2 deeper stratagem talents?

[gusty mirage]

do we?

oh right

sanguine stratagem

forgot about that

[cunning magnet]

Yeah.

Like why

[gusty mirage]

so you get 7cp instead of 6

outlaw and sub have it already

[cunning magnet]

Bigger envenom and rupture damage

[grim jay]

The real question is, if you talent into both, does deeper add the 6th and sanguine the 7th or the other way around

[cunning magnet]

I also feel turbo energy starved on beta

[gusty mirage]

well that's not how coding works silly german man

[cursive marsh]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gusty mirage]

doesn't help that dashing scoundrel just doesn't work right now

[limber lion]

I hate deeper

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

So I double hate TWW Assa

Gg

[gusty mirage]

what did deeper ever do to you

[limber lion]

Take me back to good ol Vigor 5cp gaming

[grim jay]

Of course I know that. Germany is freaking far ahead on technology

[limber lion]

Take me back to Mutilate - Finish - Mutilate - Finish

[gusty mirage]

Germany is also freaking far ahead on making some of my favorite people in RH

COINCIDENCE?

[limber lion]

Now we're stuck using 3 mutilates in a row bwfore finisher

[cunning magnet]

Venomous Wounds bugged as well?

[limber lion]

No

[gusty mirage]

It shouldn't be

[limber lion]

Just use poisons

:)

[cunning magnet]

I mean....duh?

[gusty mirage]

also they removed venom rush

[limber lion]

You say that

[gusty mirage]

for the 7th combo point

[limber lion]

But people keep forgetting

[grim jay]

Mine was sarcasm, no need to react so serious and cute

[limber lion]

Because people play beta without weak auras

[cunning magnet]

Dashing being bugged feels bad man

[limber lion]

And have no glowy PUT POISONS ON in the middle of the acreen

[cunning magnet]

I had no idea

[limber lion]

You can't tell the difference

[gusty mirage]

dashing + venom rush are a lot of energy in ST

[limber lion]

I can guarantee it

[gusty mirage]

what

[limber lion]

You heard me

[royal lantern]

you know, its kinda hilarious how everyone that plays assa has this 1 ability/talent that they just HATE and everyone else doesnt understand why

[gusty mirage]

lmao

[royal lantern]

[cunning magnet]

Literally was looking at my energy bar thinking "why tf is it pooling so slow".

[limber lion]

Just like Venom Rush reducing Mutilate by 5 energy

[gusty mirage]

you definitely can tell the difference

wdym

[grim jay]

I hate everything, the question is just how much

Except oxi

[royal lantern]

ofc, you cant hate oxi

[grim jay]

Oxi just way too cute

[gusty mirage]

dashing was like 800-1000 energy in season 1 of DF, and that's without being able to play 4 poisons (cause all the real gamers played KB in S1)

tf you mean you can't tell the difference

[limber lion]

Do you feel Venom Rush?

[gusty mirage]

absolutely you can

with venomous, dashing, and venom rush

yes you 100% could feel the difference

is it the same as having 1000% haste? no