assassination

[clever sapphire]

i found this out on sennarth

you just cant spatter that feckin spooder

[spice surge]

Ye spatter kinda doodoo for sennarth

Can be alright if you'd use cds on the big spider, but since they spawn every 90s that doesnt line up well with assas 120s

[real pike]

does anyone know the general % ST damage loss going from IB to caustic? in sims or something

[pliant remnant]

like a bit under 3% for me

[royal python]

Hey guys, when we got affected by caustic spatter n sanguine blades in awakened raids, does anyone know what ret palas got hit with

N has that been fixed too

[proven jasper]

think ib is like a 4ish% gain?

In pure st

[potent raven]

90% parse on tindral on 6% wipe

im so sadge

[desert pasture]

mythic?

[potent raven]

yes

well 86 but w/e i think w. kill i can get 95+ cuz my cds r up

idk man

[desert pasture]

cant relate

[potent raven]

how

[desert pasture]

im getting imploded by smoldy boy for close to 400 pulls

[potent raven]

yeah

[desert pasture]

tildral is all just a wet dream

[subtle tundra]

What the duck

Some guilds man

😔

[desert pasture]

shh

people arent good with handling a pair of balls

or playing beatsaber with the nados

[balmy condor]

[potent raven]

we killed smold in 2 pulls

i was playing sub

[subtle tundra]

L

[potent raven]

its comfort zone

[subtle tundra]

L

[potent raven]

idk how to play sin on that boss

[subtle tundra]

you press on cd

its so simple

[potent raven]

word ro

[balmy condor]

cd on cd

very based

[subtle tundra]

as god intended

no dynamic cds bullshit

[storm forum]

Remember when we were cooked out of our minds? Talking about double on-use, no dm KB on pull, only 1 dm outside of the damage Amp, playing for the last dm in enrage?

So glad we're back to being normal human beings.

[nimble zinc]

Yeah Internal bleeding is usually 3% of my overall dps in ST

[slate crown]

I always try to swap to sub for the fight and do horribly because I have no practice with it on real fights, then I swap back to sin and try to fumble aligning things. Decided to just ignore everything and do cd on cd like normal and everything (mainly my mental) improved dramatically

[spice surge]

That is so common

And even worse is since smolderon and fyrakk are exceptions in how you use some of your spells as sub, people then ended up trying to play sub on fyrakk but still playing it like smolderon

[quiet oar]

Vanish inside your dance?

[latent copper]

In AOE im sometimes struggling to mouseover spread garrote and ruputre and with tab targetting i cant find my prio target fast enough. So how do you handle it? Do you garrote and rupture always the prio target? Is carnage so intelligent to spread to others?

[violet jackal]

carnages is smart enough

I'm convinced people who are playing assassination lately are trying way to hard, just find the one big dummy and go ham on it

[latent copper]

So i just fid my prio target and then i send garrote and rupture 2 or 3 times on same target before i go into Kingsbane? On every cast i loose theoretically 1 garrote und rupture but not worth to mention, right?

[violet jackal]

I just send 1 garrote and 1 rupture and continue on like normal

[latent copper]

Why only 1 if there are e.g 7 targets?

[violet jackal]

There very very few specific group pulls where i might double garrote because it's a 3 pack pull with 8 casters

[spice surge]

If you run scent you ideally want 5 ruptures out, but if you dont then you usually just need enough bleeds to get energy

[latent copper]

Ok thats a huuge benefit, if i can stop mouseover or tab the targets to spread garrote and rupture

[shy pecan]

Could try doing like a [@mouseover][] macro for garrote and rupture

[violet jackal]

we don't need to bleed every mob in a pack, caustic splatter + crimon tempest is good enough for our AOE

[latent copper]

I got one but there is so much shit on ground and kick and storming and low range and so on…sometimes im struggling and on lower keys like 10 prio mobs die often to fast to get full KB. So every QoL is good

[slate crown]

I just don't even try to get fully properly set up DM/KB, I just try and get everything out and rolling as soon as possible

[violet jackal]

other way around

[slate crown]

I'm only playing like 8-10s

Shit dies way too fast to be picky

[latent copper]

How play the pros who play around 15+? Do they mouseover garrote, eupture for minmax or as well pick one target snd go

[violet jackal]

one target and go

[runic hinge]

Probably depends on the pull some as well

[violet jackal]

you aren't brough in the key for massive AOE, you are brough to annihate the big bad

[latent copper]

Ok so i did my assa life way to hard 😂

[forest nacelle]

are some healing spells and speed boosts that druids give yah pulling yall out of stealth?

or is it my imagination?

or any class for that matter.

[balmy condor]

!stealthbreak

[prisma monolith]

Stealth can break from:

• Evokers legendary buff expiring and bouncing back to the Evoker.
• Ominous Chromatic Essence trinket on buff gain
• Voice of the Silent Star when wearing it yourself
• Misterweaver soothing mist when talented into Unison
• Blossom of Amirdrassil (trinket) initial hot dropping/spreading
• Vicious brand (Signet trinket self damage)

[forest nacelle]

o jeeez ok ty

didn't know that the cloak can do that

[thorn fjord]

The Silent Star one is annoying af

[forest nacelle]

yeah

im not using that cloak anymore ;D

[full summit]

Why does it say on wowhead we need a champ track of NoT?

[spice surge]

Idk what wowhead says, but the highest you can get is hero

[full summit]

kk

[spice surge]

If you go into dawn of the infinite and start it as "hard mode" it will drop hero track items

[full summit]

sick

ty

[spice surge]

Beware though, its from a boss with 3 items, so even if you do win the 20% chance that youre the one getting loot its still a 1/3 to get it

[full summit]

Is Sark cloak REALLY work it

[balmy condor]

in raids definitely

[full summit]

ik

[balmy condor]

in m+ not really

[full summit]

kk

i dont plan on raiding so it's fine, my prog team won't take me this late into the season

[craggy lodge]

ok im following this dudes build for pvp and i was so confused on what does fire dmg, would mean a lot if someone can help, ive been stuck on this for hours

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/tichondrius/nessper

[balmy condor]

helm enchant

[spice surge]

So you get one shot at it every week and its got a 6.67% chance for you to drop it

[full summit]

jfc

😭

[balmy condor]

also do people really only run with 2 piece in pvp

that's so cringe

[full summit]

meh

[craggy lodge]

i dont see his helm enchanted?

[full summit]

helm enchant is uhhh incandescent ess right?

[balmy condor]

it's just armory being bad

cause ya know

armory xdd

[craggy lodge]

whats the enchantment then lmao

[balmy condor]

he has it enchanted

[craggy lodge]

i hate that it was that simple the whole time

[balmy condor]

it's the igira enchant

incandescent essence

on my armory it doesn't show either

god what a shit page

[craggy lodge]

thank you so much

[balmy condor]

np

[craggy lodge]

when i look it up it says that its from a quest line? and i cant buy it

[balmy condor]

yeah you gotta kill amirdrassil bosses

[craggy lodge]

fuck, ok thank you lmao

[cloud pike]

Sadly 4-piece is very nerfed in pvp, and you don’t have the uptime to chain a lot of envenoms which also do shit damage in pvp. All of that means just going full mastery is more damage overall and it’s very sad

[real sinew]

think ive seen somewhere that u can dot the adds on 2nd boss azure vault (azureblade) during intermission by vanishing and then dotting boss and spreading garrotes / ruptures

does this work or am i imaging things

[balmy condor]

yeah classic pvp cringe shit

[spice surge]

At quick glance it also seems like theyre running crimson tempest as well, do people just have that many pets that its worth speccing crimson tempest and flying daggers in 2s

[cloud pike]

Assa pvp is pure cringe right now

[spice surge]

pvp be wilding

[balmy condor]

I don't think they're close enough

[sonic zinc]

u run crimson for more spread bleed shrug

[cloud pike]

Using CT at around 3 targets for the extra bleed, using FoK in single target often

[balmy condor]

are pvpers like

okay?

[cloud pike]

Also with the talent builds there’s just no great option to put that CT point, so while you might not always use it you have it when it’s good

[cloud pike]

Not at all, but that’s par for the course

[quaint flare]

helm enchant is disabled in pvp as far as i know

[sonic zinc]

shrug, sin and sub both been using shuriken and fok in pvp for a while now

[balmy condor]

WHAT IS THIS GAME MODE

[quaint flare]

ngl if i was pvp only player, i would want that shit to be disabled

[balmy condor]

if I was a pvp only player I would be on a government list somewhere

those people are not sane

[sonic zinc]

shrug, low pop mode and is really susceptible to pve stuff causing issues

[cloud pike]

I’m sure it was disabled so the pvp only guys wouldn’t have to set foot into the raid. Even though they could do it in lfr

[sonic zinc]

idk whispyr, some pve only players make me think the same

[balmy condor]

yes

people on the internet do that

[cloud pike]

That’s why a balanced approach is best 🙂

[balmy condor]

but holy pvp community has got to be by far the most consistently deranged

just dealing with the stuff from the last 10 minutes

would drive me insane

[sonic zinc]

well its a different game shrug

[craggy lodge]

shit well im wasting my time then lmao

[cinder grove]

Is there an efficient way to spread rupture to a maximum of target ? Kinda hard to rapidly see which mob has it or not already

[quaint flare]

let jesus (ic) take the wheel

and just send on primary target

[runic hinge]

Do you use plater?

Some of the profiles here are pretty good for assa specifically which helps

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[cinder grove]

I do, the jundies package

[slate crown]

Can you make plater do things like, take every mob HP displayed on screen and make the highest max HP mob have 100% alpha, and then all the others have like 70% alpha? Then make alpha 100% for casting mobs? Maybe not exactly those rules but can it do things like that?

[shy pecan]

I think you can like duplicate one of the mods in Jundies to track rupture and garrote

[slate crown]

Just like, there is so much garbage displayed on my screen I don't care about on my nameplates even with a good profile removing all but the nameplates I care about

it makes it hard to know what is important going on when a tank pulls 3 packs

[shy pecan]

Yeah

[runic hinge]

Idk what plater can do. I found Cev’s before I even found this discord and just used that

[shy pecan]

I think Ceverion's is a good one for different colors for bleeds. I also have one, but it's a little harder to use for most people: https://wago.io/4C5lyhza7

[slate crown]

Like I know you can do colors per specific mob types but even that is hard when all the nameplates start stacking near the top of my screen and start overlapping, even with stacking nameplates set

because there are just so many of them

[shy pecan]

Yep

[slate crown]

I know there's a way to anchor nameplates on mob feet, but I wish they could be anchored like, halfway

idn

[earnest remnant]

with a script you could yeah

[slate crown]

I'm going to take this information and put it away in the vault. Maybe some day. But not today.

[nimble zinc]

If you download the weak auras, plater shows me which targets have which bleeds.

[hearty coral]

im 54 and really having fun doing st

blindside is really nice

[spice spire]

[slate crown]

https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/645728fc7140dcd2ddf5ed2d/2x.gif

[royal python]

Bump

[long jacinth]

What is a good explanation for when to use Crimson Tempest vs. Poison Bomb and Dragon-Tempered Blades for mythic plus?

[balmy condor]

crimson tempest on 4+ targets

poison bomb is just passive

[dark token]

I find a good color coded nameplate helps me decipher what's going on in a pull muuuch better

[slate crown]

I have color coding

The issue is that because there are so many nameplates, they all start overlapping each other and spastically moving around so I can't reliably click on the ones I want to

(With stacking nameplates configured)

[dark token]

Ye that can happen on really big pulls

I played with my stacking distance and settings a bit and it helped but no real good solution for that I think

[slate crown]

So I just end up and sending my cds and hoping I don't die

[dark token]

I use a very slightly tweaked jundies plater and it's usually pretty clear to me

I also played with the debuff filter to remove most stuff I don't care about like crippling poison etc

Helps you find rupture/garrote debuffs

[slate crown]

Oh yeah, I've already purged debuffs heavily

[dark token]

You can try making nameplates smaller as well

[slate crown]

This one?https://wago.io/ak3iS95aa

Also hold up

[dark token]

Yeah I made these bars less wide

I think the stacking problem happens no matter nameplates/settings you use but it's only an actual problem for me in like first pull of academy

And even then I can click pretty well

[slate crown]

That's one where I struggled, also the first pull in brackenhide where the tank pulled the group by the cage + patrol + next group

[dark token]

That one is fine for me

[slate crown]

Like in academy my DM+KB was enough to kill the first primary big elite mob, but then I couldn't target another one when I was trying to get my next KB set up

[dark token]

It would be an interesting addon concept to have like boss frames for any nameplates in combat with you

[slate crown]

spent forever trying to find it in the mess

[dark token]

So they are always clickable

[slate crown]

Yeah I considered that

You can but it would remove nameplates

That was actually my very first addon attempt ages ago

[dark token]

Maybe both

[slate crown]

But you cannot have both be interactable

[dark token]

The boss frames for only priority mobs

Hmm

[slate crown]

you can display a set on the side, but you cannot make the useful as a unit frame

only one object can be that

[dark token]

I think the best way to do it is use a mousever set focus button to prio target for kicks as u approach a pull

Then use @focus macros

[slate crown]

I need to get into that habit more, I have keybinds set up for all of that

I just always forget to use them

[dark token]

So u don't have to switch off your KB target

Or u could set a focus for deathmark target or something

[royal python]

Hey guys, does anyone know answer to this

[balmy condor]

idk what the question even is

[haughty verge]

hi whisp quick question, started playing this season. do i macro ashes trink with deathmark or dance+kingsbane?

[balmy condor]

kb

[keen spruce]

What is the question?

[royal python]

What was the spell name for paladins that got hit with awakened raid bug

[keen spruce]

Execution sentence?

[still spade]

Can anyone explain to me how Assassin spreads AOE dmg?

[keen spruce]

I think?

[still spade]

Its not like Sub/outlaw where its obvious with blade flurrhy

[keen spruce]

Indiscriminate carnage

[royal python]

Ok thank you !

[still spade]

wtf..

[keen spruce]

And manually applying bleeds to targets

And caustic spatter

[still spade]

why is the #1 talent build I got from warcraft logs for an AOE boss not have that talent

no wonder im doing 200k dps

[keen spruce]

What boss

[still spade]

Idk I dont remember where I got the talent build tbh its been a week or so

but yeah ill go check primal council mythic in s4

[keen spruce]

I mean there’s almost no bosses you play carnage on

[balmy condor]

carnage isn't worth in raids

[keen spruce]

It’s for like mass aoe

[balmy condor]

in raids you just play around caustic spatter

[keen spruce]

In m+

Yes what blue haired purple name said

[slate crown]

It's clearly teal hair

[glass hemlock]

Do you ashes before dm ?

I someone DM, kingsbane then ashes

Saw someone*

[slate crown]

#assassination message

[glass hemlock]

So DM then macro ashes->KB->dance ?

[slate crown]

DM -> Shiv -> (Macro: Dance -> Ashes -> KB)

[glass hemlock]

legend, where does grieftorch fit in as well?

20 seconds after ashes?

[slate crown]

In the opener, hold it for the trinket CD after ashes, yes. After that use it on CD as long as it won't push off your ashes from your next DM

[glass hemlock]

awesome thank you very much

[slate crown]

Prioritizing using it asap in case you get death resets after the opener

[glass hemlock]

to clarify:
2 x garrote, into rupture. dance, shiv, macro, grieftorch on cd, then keep bleeds and envenom up. more or less

[slate crown]

!guide In the single target opener, no. See guides for step by step on the opener

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[slate crown]

What you said is a possible opener in M+ depending on pull, your build, if you already have SnD up from previous pull, etc

But not the ST opener

[glass hemlock]

okay i'll check those guides out. thanks for the info on the macro!

[slate crown]

Oh also dm before shiv not dance

[glass hemlock]

oh sorry i'm sure i meant to type dm not dance haha

coming from healing so just want to get my knowledge right and then hit dummies for a bit

[glass hemlock]

use the talent build for M+ on the wowhead guide too?

[slate crown]

It’s on there for a reason 🙂

There are also like 4 on there. If you’re just starting out, go with the Arterial Shock build for m+

[glass hemlock]

yeah perfect thats the one i am reading now 🙂

[barren yarrow]

so i bought ashes, sark dagger, torch with bullion and i can buy seal ring but i feel like theres a better way. I simmed and sark cloak gave me almost nothing. Idk what else to buy.

[quaint flare]

do droptimiser for s4 raid vendors

[barren yarrow]

i grabbed seal

yeah its a small dps increase and no downside really

plus i need verse lol

[split flame]

when do we use ashes? Right before Deathmark?

[balmy condor]

Macro’d to kingsbane

[glass hemlock]

xD

[latent copper]

How can i see if a spell from mob in M+ is physic i can dodge or feint or magic to cloak? Can i see it in MRT?

[balmy condor]

Trial and error

[latent copper]

Hmm ok

[balmy condor]

MRT can help for cloak

[latent copper]

E.g. bromach stomp cant be dodged

Or i dodge some shit and get as well stunned…its when there is a big ground effect and kb is running and you wanna stay in

[balmy condor]

Yeah I mean dodge in general

Is just

A bit meme

Unless it’s a targeted charge or an auto attack, forget it

[glass hemlock]

Someone just told me to use Hekili (?) addon?

to get better at rotations? that seems weird and i haven't heard of it before haha

[slate crown]

Ignore them and don’t use it

[royal lantern]

put them on ignore

[quiet oar]

I remember the "aoe" from the Seasonal Affix in Shadowlands S2 could be dodged

There are just random things than can be dodged. I think you can also Dodge the Wall break Dot from Echo right?

[slate crown]

You can also dodge the thunder clap and stone dot from the 3rd boss in ulda I think

just a bunch of random stuff

[balmy condor]

Yes

[quiet oar]

Ye, good rule of thumb is, if its physical try evasion

[glad garden]

anyone got a LW that could make me some toxic thorns if i put them up on crafting block.

[eternal nymph]

It's Server bound, chances are slim you'd find someone here.
Also not really the place to ask, just use your trade or services chat ingame.

[glass hemlock]

I said “I’d rather hit a dummy for 4 hours straight”

[glad garden]

@eternal nymph yeah i remembered the server thing after i posted it lol Also wasn't sure if their was a spot on here for things like that was looking through other channels didn't see anything specific for it. But the server bound thing is why XD

[royal lantern]

that addon is allready really bad for most and doesnt teach you how to play

for rogue its not even functional at all

[slate crown]

Good response. Though, a dummy won't necessarily lock the rhythms into your brain. It can and probably varies person to person, but IMO rotation patterns are more likely to solidify when there are stakes to the situation you're practicing in. If you're starting from 0, dummies are fine, but having to perform the rotation while your life is on the line has a tendency to make you (or, at least me) remember much stronger.

[royal lantern]

hit a dummy for some minutes to hammer some raw muscle memory into your head and the absolute gameplay basics, join a normal raid and try to pull it of now

its atleast what im doing when trying something new

[solid mica]

helm enchant is fire dmg yea?

[balmy condor]

yes

[solid mica]

sweet

[glass hemlock]

Yeah very new to DPS and rogue, was a PvP main when I started in s3 and then resto Druid healing in s4 and now just alt assa rogue cause it’s very fun

So dummies and normal raids 😂

[cinder grove]

Which one ?

[serene solar]

I got it! 😄

[ancient tangle]

DeathMark doesn't replicate KingsBane ?

[grim jay]

No

It kinda says what gets replicated in the tooltip

[ancient tangle]

it says lethal poison and i thought KB was one ?

[grim jay]

No

[ancient tangle]

ah ok

[grim jay]

Lethal poisons are your weapon poisons

That deal damage

[ancient tangle]

ah its the interaction with it

ok

[grim jay]

Yep

[ancient tangle]

ty 🙂

[upper kraken]

Cruel Dreamcarver can i make a marco to thes dagger ? to Kingsbane or and am not sure i understand what the dagger dos

[balmy condor]

you use the dagger once

and it permanently gives you a buff

you just use it out of combat

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[balmy condor]

typically people use it on a dragonkin

[grim jay]

Ive heard critter is a banger

[balmy condor]

true

critter based

[upper kraken]

arh okay so is random buff 😄 as outlaw

[hot fulcrum]

Not random. You decide on buff

[grim jay]

Can just blame the green parses on the "buff"

[grim jay]

You just decide what buff to get and get it forever by using it on the type of mob

[hot fulcrum]

You need to choose buff that you want. Then use dagger on mob from the list

[upper kraken]

okay so i need to fly out to look for Critter and get the buff befor raid start

[hot fulcrum]

Critter is a joke. Because it will give you -10 for all stats.

[clever sapphire]

critter is the only one thats gonna affect your dps tho

[hot fulcrum]

Dragonkin is most popular I guess

[upper kraken]

i see xD

[hot fulcrum]

And you do this once. It will be on dagger forever or untill you choose some other buff to have

Donno what will happen if you unequip it tbh. If the buff will still be there

[upper kraken]

Okay, but I can always switch between them, i.e. the buff and the one with Speed, it's not just how fast I run or does it have anything to do with how fast I hit

[grim jay]

They all dont have any impact on your damage (except critter)

Speed is just how fast you move

[upper kraken]

i see

[clever sapphire]

choose the one that sounds funny to you, forget about that fact that it exists

[upper kraken]

okay ty ❤️

[potent raven]

niceeeee

[clever perch]

Someone help me out

If using Seal of Diurna's Chosen, is it worth to go x1 shadowflame / x1 BSL?

or should i still use x2 BSL

icyveins for example suggests x1 SF x1 BSL if using that ring

but people in warcraftlogs using x2 bsl with the dyurna's ring

[crimson pasture]

The helm enchant does fire damage

[clever perch]

so no need for Shadowflame?

[crimson pasture]

Yea

Still procs it

[potent raven]

no

it's just a ring with an extra stat(the proc)

you don't play around it

its not worth it, use 2x bsl

the helm enchant is enough to proc it, it doesnt do that much damage anyway

[crimson pasture]

It's a nice to have a bit more dam

[glass hemlock]

oof, my first key

definitely some improvement

too many panic moments haha

[subtle tundra]

i'd assume its a very low key cause of kb and spatter dmg

and sd being so high

the actual assa gameplay wont start until mobs dont die instantly

[clever sapphire]

also probably no tierset im gonna assume

[cinder grove]

During KB windows, do we take advantage of Shadow Dance to use an Improved rupture ? Or we never refresh improved rupture after the one at pull ?

[spice surge]

You dont specifically aim to get a snapshotted rupture no

[potent raven]

How do you guys play smold

do you collect orbs b4 sending ur cds

or do u send w/e u have up and then collect

and try to have envenom uptime etc.

[boreal cloud]

I personally press N

And then select the Subtlety specialization

[subtle tundra]

damn imagine if thats what he asked

now go to #subtlety

[glass hemlock]

Yeah I’m 3/4 and yes super low key haha!

[subtle tundra]

you make sure dots are up, have enough cp, get orbs envenom and do your cds

pretty easy without branch

actually so much easier

[clever sapphire]

me collect and then send

kb still lasts the whole duration

[potent raven]

?

no

assa can do just as much dps as sub lol

[potent raven]

fair will try

subs boring ill play it if they fix the loggos

[barren yarrow]

Ok I’m trying to understand kingsbane through an addon that shows shiv and env percentages. So it’s a DOT that keeps ramping every time I apply rupture and Garrote as well as melee poisons? And use shiv and envemon to multiply it?

I try to save vanish as well to get our crit bonus after leaving stealth.

[dark token]

No it's only poisons

Autoatk procs or poison abilities like envenom/ poison bomb

Not sure if vicious venoms counts that thing is weird

[spice surge]

No its literally only when you apply your lethal weapon poisons

[opal vector]

Soo is there a addon that cna help me with kingsbane? I feel like that im loosing much dmg cause don't know when to use shi and tea

[clever sapphire]

https://wago.io/PFTo3o6Ug

glows when you have to shiv/tea/vanish

[opal vector]

My hero

[silver crag]

Is vanishing really that worth it considering you are losing a free IC proc for mass bleed application on a chain pull/add phase?

[subtle tundra]

is it really free?

also, unless you know for sure youre chaining you might hold it and lose casts

which isnt worth

[forest nacelle]

ive been using LE's bar for this. but this is a VERY good WA 😄

[silver crag]

Also I assume if you are going to vanish for KB crits, you should sync it with Deathmark

[subtle tundra]

yes its part of the basic rotation

[forest nacelle]

yup

[subtle tundra]

they have the same cd

[royal lantern]

they do the same tbh

[clever sapphire]

yep, its just all which visual you like more

i never even tried LEs

got used to notters and never changed it

[forest nacelle]

its true, just that 1 fits my UI better 😄

[grim jay]

I mean you gotta mix and match through experience on low keys

But as varas said, holding for who knows when isnt worth

[silver crag]

I lvled sin in s4 and have run up to +12 keys so my experience is a bit limited, but most of the times trash packs will at best barely survive my full Deathmark and and worst will collapse after the 2nd shiv during it. i can see the value of Vanishing for KB crits in a boas fight but I have mostly defaulted to keeping Vanish to adapt to my pug tank's shenanigans

[gusty mirage]

which is fair btw

[subtle tundra]

yes assa is known for being bad in low keys

[gusty mirage]

there is no set rule or rhyme

sometimes saving vanish instead of critting something that's gonna die anyway is the play

just gets kinda stinky cause it ends up desyncing shit

but if you've been playing a bunch, you'll be able to figure out a way to smooth that part out

[dreamy elk]

I'm super curious. I know that assassination sims pretty low but its WCL performance on heroic/mythic raid is really strong. What is making it perform so effectively? For context, I'm going by 90th percentile and 75th percentile as my reference points.

[gusty mirage]

Power Infusion

fast kill times

PI is something silly like 21k dps

[subtle tundra]

spatter OP

🙂

[silver crag]

Yeah the desyncing part is the one that annoys me. Atleast till we get a 2nd charge in TWW

[subtle tundra]

@gusty mirage i want to bleach my hair so i can look like eminem

[gusty mirage]

wow I didn't realize I woke up in 2004

but I support you varas

[subtle tundra]

🫶

if i dont try shit now then when will i

[gusty mirage]

ye I reckon it'll smooth out a lot of the current pain points

especially with nightstalker gone

[toxic olive]

Not up time reliant, just look at outlaw. The inverse patchwerk ST sim is high but in reality any boss that has mechanics that lower uptime tank dps. Also you don’t benefit from dedicated dmg amp phases like on Smold

[subtle tundra]

crazy to think vanish charge will be worth taking

considering it costs 3 points

[gusty mirage]

it def will in keys I think

cause of IC

plus 6s of IC

is monka

[subtle tundra]

losing the st when we already have shit st with m+ talents

idk man..

i hate that

[gusty mirage]

don't worry

you can take deathstalker too

and blame it on the bad tree

[subtle tundra]

or just play with a priest to get pi

so we do decent st

[gusty mirage]

dw I'm sure a priest spec will be great in TWW

you can go back to doing mythic plus keys with your friends varas

[subtle tundra]

nah fuck priests

[thorn fjord]

I thought they were the ones doing the fucking

[high jetty]

You know. As a life time warlock player. I always thought melee were being dramatic when complaining about how toxic dungeons are for melee. This season I’ve been maining SIN and I take it all back. Dungeons are so aids. Like holy shit lol

Turns out storming is a real affix after all!

[kind forge]

[gusty mirage]

If it makes you feel better I used to shit on ranged for crying about mechanics, but then I played destro lock on Halondrus during fated

and holy fuck

[toxic olive]

Playing storming on enhance gives me PTSD

[gusty mirage]

idk how anyone casts shit on intermission

[spice surge]

Tbh both are true, ye its annoying but people cry way too much as well

[high jetty]

I feel like in raid it’s pretty even, maybe even a little worse for ranged. But dungeons? Holy shit.

[gusty mirage]

there's just certain mechanics where it feels impossible to cast

[spice surge]

Like after every PTR testing of bosses: "This raid is gonna be so melee unfriendly man"

[gusty mirage]

esp something like chaos bolt which takes 3.5 weeks to complete

[high jetty]

Maybe I’m just salty about doing 2 high AV keys last night on storming week. Like good lord

[spice surge]

And then its just a regular raid thats fine

[gusty mirage]

storming is def cancer

[high jetty]

And AV

[spice surge]

But ye storming stinky

[gusty mirage]

I feel like casters run into that issue with a full ranged comp as well

[frosty bridge]

Ye i feel you

[gusty mirage]

I've had so many chaos bolts clipped in the last .2s by a storming that just randomly spawned in ranged

[hearty reef]

Storming+ no acro

[frosty bridge]

I was turbo tilting in HoI 18 last night

i press death mark, get stormed, dont get to KB instantly because the pack moves slightly

[high jetty]

Topping crystal dam in a 17 AV

Bout sent me

[gusty mirage]

as assa?

[frosty bridge]

mobs jumping on you while you are being stormed already

[spice surge]

But ye take acro, makes it better

[hearty reef]

Until you can

[high jetty]

Destro lock says “ I can’t hold infernal that long “

[gusty mirage]

lmfao

[high jetty]

Like killing the boss matters you dolt

Welcome to the bench..

[gusty mirage]

our lock did that on anduin prog in 9.2

[high jetty]

Yeah, I’m just salty I think lol

[gusty mirage]

starred the entire raid

"WELL I HAD TO FINISH MY CAST"

Like oh okay

[spice surge]

Our lock did that back on zul

Insisted he had to use infernal (which killed all the adds, so the 4 sub couldnt do dps)

[gusty mirage]

my bad dude let the other 16 people move for you to finish casting whatever the fuck demo lock casts

[high jetty]

Nothing that matters lol

[gusty mirage]

[high jetty]

Felgaurd go brrrr

[kind forge]

BUT MY IMPS

[gusty mirage]

he also starred an add

and wiped us

causing 100 more pulls

I immortalized his halondrus parse

he didn't die btw

[high jetty]

Yikes

[royal lantern]

tbf, destro is a caster that is hardcasting way more often then most other casters

like, a fire mage complaining about casting is a total meme

a afflock is understandable

[gusty mirage]

@spice surge wasn't there a rule about using dungeons that were brought back in DF?

what the fuck even are these lists

is growl okay

sanguine and eye of azshara?

[subtle tundra]

the motherlode is GOATED

i fucking wish we get that in tww

[spice surge]

Is that best dungeons

[gusty mirage]

that's their top 10 dungeon lists

based on a draft style

idk what I hate more, sanguine depths or eye of azshara

[spice surge]

Gotta respect that hes not doing a fan service atleast

Bros voicing his own opinions

[gusty mirage]

yeah

and he's WRONG

lower kara?

REALLY

[kind forge]

like upper more ?

[gusty mirage]

that entire megadungeon can die in a fire

[kind forge]

[vestal wren]

maw of souls

[royal lantern]

fucking

motherlode

[solar wyvern]

Gotta watch the vod, they make some hilarious cope

[royal lantern]

nice meme

[fallen arch]

Sanguine Depths on 1 just offensive

[royal lantern]

one of the worst dungeons they ever made

[fallen arch]

My god how I hated that place

[fallen arch]

No that was either Spires of Ascension

Or Grimrail

[royal lantern]

i didnt say worst

i said one of

[fallen arch]

Oh

Yea

Ur right

[royal lantern]

and motherlode was really fucking high in the top 3

[fallen arch]

Its up there

Or down there

[royal lantern]

who does love dungeons with patrols everywhere and you need to wiggle trought everything to not overpull and die to a 1hit cast in your back huh??????

[fallen arch]

Ye that shit sucked

I was surprised however not one of them mentioned Necrotic Wake

In hindsight that was a banger

But I guess the weapons were a bit sus

[boreal cloud]

same as old Nelth

Or Junkyard

[gusty mirage]

last boss was horrendous

you're essentially 4 manning the boss the entire time

[subtle tundra]

fuck 1 weapon up, gg

(on tyrannical, fort was free)

ooops, dont have 2 spears for 3rd boss? gg

1 wipe and you cant complete the key

[gusty mirage]

remember fucking up the lanterns in sanguine?

[subtle tundra]

no cause i always did it right

[gusty mirage]

suddenly the dungeon is 200% harder

[subtle tundra]

or something

[gusty mirage]

you were a spider abuser

[subtle tundra]

my fondest memory about sanguine is my push group imploding at 5am of the last push day

🤑

[subtle tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/giga-gigacat-cat-mewing-mogging-gif-12429734670640119345

[gusty mirage]

my fondest SL dungeon experiences are 2

1 was a 23 or 24 spires where carmeezy just didn't kick the goliath because he didn't want to do the dungeon

so he ripped my key lmao

the other was a 24 theater of pain where me and the hunter were .2s early on the pvp and we got one tapped by xav's leap

very cool dungeon

might've been a 25 idr

[subtle tundra]

you know why i really like sl dungeons?

cause i fucking played them

cannot be arsed to learn 8 dungeons on a suboptimal spec every few months

[kind forge]

i just hope they wont bring cathedral back

[subtle tundra]

they really need to have 8 new dungeons at expac launch and then switch 4 out imo

[fallen arch]

Yes

I thought s1 df was weird with 4 new dungeons not in the rotation

[fallen arch]

Efficient

[fallen arch]

Remember pugging a SD and forgetting to ask if anyone was Venthyr

[royal lantern]

honestly

based af

thats just petty af

can only respect it

[fallen arch]

Spires was so bad dude

My god that shit still haunts my nightmares

Especially that last boss

[agile geode]

unpopolar hopinion Theater of Pain was a good dungeon

necrotic wake was not

and i hope this last isnt unpopolar

[spice spire]

Basado

[thorn fjord]

That a recipe?

[spice spire]

[fallen arch]

5 bosses is too much for an M+ dungeon imo

That was like an almost 40 min timer dungeon

[agile geode]

yeh is quite a bit

[fallen arch]

Just like Uldaman currently, it takes too long

[devout mist]

i liked spires

[agile geode]

spires wasnt that bad

but necrotic wake..

[devout mist]

i didnt like mists

[agile geode]

always hated Necrotic since season 1

[fallen arch]

Imagine getting all the way upt to the last boss and discovering there your group cannot kill it

[devout mist]

s1 worst dungeon was prolly DOS 45 min dungeon

[fallen arch]

Rip key, rip 45 minutes

[devout mist]

running like a banana

to get pridefull

[agile geode]

bad design and bad fight systems

[fallen arch]

41 min

[devout mist]

horrible dungeon, season 3 DOS was pretty dope tho

[fallen arch]

Ye once they nerfed Hakkar I think

It was better

Spires would have been better if the flying was like in Academy

But that shit took too long

[devout mist]

but overall mists was the worst for me, between all 3 seasons

[fallen arch]

Oh no I liked Mists once I got a proper wa for the maze lol

[devout mist]

its not about the maze

bosses were crap

[fallen arch]

I don’t think so

[devout mist]

maze wasnt great either having to exploit to pull through walls

[fallen arch]

But it’s funny how everyone looks back on dungeons differently

[devout mist]

idd

well u can rejoice

we're getting mists back

[fallen arch]

We are?

[devout mist]

ye

its on the TWW s1 list

[fallen arch]

For tww s1?

[devout mist]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/mythic-plus-dungeons/the-war-within-season-1/overview

[fallen arch]

NW as well

[devout mist]

yep

[fallen arch]

Grim Batol tf

That was a Cata dungeon right

[devout mist]

apparently

didnt play back in cata

[fallen arch]

With the dragonflying shit at the start

That was a fun dungeon

[devout mist]

if its anything like that vortex dungeon

even forgot its name

thats how bad it was

[fallen arch]

Interested to see how it plays out in m+

Vortex Pinnacle

[devout mist]

ye that 1

not a great dungeon imo

prolly the worst in season 2, not that i was able to play much since god comp was a thing

[fallen arch]

I didnt play s2

What was god comp that season?

[devout mist]

bear, holy pal, aug, fire mage, spriest

[fallen arch]

Aug needs to go

[devout mist]

it does idd

just make it a dps

and call it a day imo

or add more support classes

it cant stay like this

[royal lantern]

you will hold w and there is 1 important spell you interupt on each pack, you spend hours walking

aka

cata dungeon

🙂

thanks for old dungeons in m+ blizzard

you really "rework" them for it

[gusty mirage]

the only bad part of top was xav

the rest of it was chill

[silk bane]

oh im sorry you havent seen throne of the pain in my ass?

1800 casters that insta one shot u that dont get school locked

[gusty mirage]

first boss was kinda cringe

but besides that

top minus pvp boss = great dungo

[royal lantern]

PvP boss was funny in S1/S2 cus you could kill the big mouth boomkins

jesus christ in the history of wow, no playerbase was so incredible cringe then SL S1/S2 boomkins

[gusty mirage]

sure there was

it was every other season boomkins

[toxic olive]

idk druids convoking right out of stealth was something special early SL

[rotund oak]

skillfull to say the least

randomly get oneshotted by healers was the best

[cinder grove]

Do we play boon in M+ ? I assume instead of Grieftorch ?

[toxic olive]

however i liked the brief moment in time where it felt like rated bgs could be something to do on a regular

early SL

[slate crown]

Grief is good still because of resets and it gives you a targetted nuke for things like totems that assassination is particularly weak at nuking

Afaik Boon is good in like, very specific mass aoe scenarios if your team is playing around that

But grief is just an all-around good trinket too

[toxic olive]

ye outside of very specific cases i dont see assa needing it for aoe, if you have to pick one as a general use, stick with torch

[full summit]

wow is down but i just remembered, did they reduce the yards on shadowstep or am i buggin?

[rotund oak]

aggro rdrood was a true terror back then,could proc any spell from any spec from that convoke.They just had to press a button and target u

later on it got ''fixed''

[royal lantern]

S1/2 was something else

the none avvoidable endless "omg blizzard HATES boomkin!!!! spec is DEAD!!!!! they only NERF it!!!!!!!!! ITS SO BAD" crying literally everywhere, while boomkin was top dps in every single content by pressing convoke once

jesus christ

[rotund oak]

procced spell only by what the rdrood was weaving

[royal lantern]

then they nerfed convoke and they went balastic again how balance is dead, just for it to still be broken, and venthyr was even stronger a choice now

[rotund oak]

yup

was insane

[gusty mirage]

well you see

it was mostly because super smart moonkin theorycrafter Peyton Tettleton jebaited people into going kyrian

[smoky flax]

Is there a way to do so dmg meter doesnt reset after stealth windows?

[gusty mirage]

!details

[prisma monolith]

To stop details from resetting on vanish, go into the settings and under Overall Data, make sure "Use Dynamic Overall Damage" is checked.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1173432355785027584/details_vanish.png

[vestal wren]

oh, is that new?

because we have a diffrent !details in #subtlety

[gusty mirage]

I don't remember when I added it

tbh

it's been ages

[vestal wren]

probably could get rid of the sub one

because its not rly asked anymore

[gusty mirage]

I apparently added it sometime in november

[vestal wren]

oh, thats quite a while ago

i never saw it haha (or forgot)

[potent raven]

why do ppl us recuperator

[dark token]

cause there are no more useful points for raid

[thorn fjord]

Wonder what blizzard is working on that Maintenance is taking so long lol

[shy pecan]

Probably some critical bug

[slate crown]

Same as it always is any extended maintenance

[dark token]

bugfixing lfr queues so u cant play with ur friends

[potent raven]

fixing sub

[thorn fjord]

Just funny for an off season

[potent raven]

i was playing tight spender

instead of improved ambush

this whole tiem

its ok

[frosty bridge]

yo what about

not using that reduced physical damage node and using recoup instead

is there some dungeon where you don't take relevant if any physical damage?

like i feel like at least in halls of infusion slight healing from recoup would help on the ice boss

[subtle tundra]

except recoup is bugged and doesnt work ! ! !

🤑

[frosty bridge]

ain't no way 💀

feels bad man

[spice surge]

Ye it stops working after like 30s or something, its not up for most of the fight anyway

[safe swift]

can i find openers anywhere in this discord?

[potent raven]

yes bro

[frosty bridge]

Unfortunate, I don't even know current numbers on recoup but on specifically that boss it could be good ig

[potent raven]

in #assassination-faq

was i trolling not playing improved ambush

[frosty bridge]

faq links to wowhead/icyveins

[subtle tundra]

Pretty sure tight spender is better and the difference is less than .5

[scenic nacelle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[subtle tundra]

You won't notice a difference in dps

[potent raven]

true ye

[frosty bridge]

holy fk a 3000 combination dslice sim takes ages

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kHG1rnbMNfcMYspGWJNSqs

[potent raven]

lmao

send the result

[gusty mirage]

alright I'm strapped in

lets see this bad boy finish

[frosty bridge]

Chances are the result will be "Your current gear is your top gear"

[gusty mirage]

yeah but where's the fun in that

[frosty bridge]

I'm just simming every single gem combination to know with how much vers i can get away for M+

[gusty mirage]

it's 2:45 on a Tuesday afternoon

and I cba working

so we watch your sim

[frosty bridge]

[gusty mirage]

stage 3

[frosty bridge]

99% STAGE 2

FOR ME

WTF

[gusty mirage]

I'm at 1,219 of 1,222

ONLY 216 LETS GO

[thorn fjord]

Atleast is vault awakened this week

Easier mount runs

[frosty bridge]

arent all awakaned this week

or am i tripping

[clever sapphire]

according to wowhead news

its still on a rota

[frosty bridge]

O

Oki

[thorn fjord]

its still a rotation

Thank god

[gusty mirage]

didn't they say after 2 rotations all 3 will be available?

[thorn fjord]

looks like they lied

[gusty mirage]

[runic hinge]

in b4 its a bug and servers go back down while they figure out how to awaken all of them

[gusty mirage]

nah bro just let them sleep

[runic hinge]

I'm the one who needs a nap!

[gusty mirage]

you can sleep too

after you feed Stu

[runic hinge]

oh okay

he's been fed

[gusty mirage]

did he get another berry

@frosty bridge dog this sim is taking forever wtf

[frosty bridge]

bro is because i added PI to the sim

this is insane

[gusty mirage]

I legit walked around the office for 10 minutes

and it went up 6%

lmfao

[frosty bridge]

I have no clue, I think I started the sim almost an hour ago

[gusty mirage]

new game, what happens first: me leaving for the gym in an hour and a half or this sim finishing

[vestal wren]

i had sims run for hours

[gusty mirage]

this one is getting there fuu

[vestal wren]

always feels bad for me because it blocks other users servers

[gusty mirage]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kHG1rnbMNfcMYspGWJNSqs wanna join in on the watch party?

[frosty bridge]

27% STILL LOL

[vestal wren]

i assume its a dungeon slice

[frosty bridge]

yep

[vestal wren]

gem/enchants

[frosty bridge]

dungeon slice with almost every single gem

[gusty mirage]

it hit stage 3 almost 20 minutes ago btw

[vestal wren]

yes, that can take up to 4-5h

just for reference

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vestal wren]

^ i typically run enchant/gem sims 3 times

to get a better average

[gusty mirage]

ALMOST TO 30%

[frosty bridge]

[gusty mirage]

LETS GO

[thorn fjord]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tR9YqTTd133ZH6sp7b3cok

Still lower than OL

[gusty mirage]

you think you're cool or something cause you have a finished sim?

stop bullying Losmi

[gusty mirage]

caustic again

rip bozo

[thorn fjord]

LMAo

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-bozo-gif-22294771

[thorn fjord]

jeeeeez bro

[gusty mirage]

and no PI

[thorn fjord]

Every damn time

[frosty bridge]

why you bully

[thorn fjord]

Simming with PI isnt fun

[gusty mirage]

is it because you don't get PI?

[thorn fjord]

Nah i do

[gusty mirage]

the bane of your existence in simming

[thorn fjord]

Same in game

I always forget to swap for ST lol

Lisona showed me how to make a WA for it but i never got around to doing it

[royal lantern]

and with deathstalker, the bane of your CPU aswell

[gusty mirage]

[vestal wren]

tryan is correct

[gusty mirage]

idk what I'm doing on ret

how am I purple parsing

[royal lantern]

you press glowy buttons

thats ret

[gusty mirage]

oh

tru

[royal lantern]

like

[thorn fjord]

oxi the wackamole champ

[royal lantern]

copypaste wowhead build that says "raid" or "single target"

press cds

if button glow, press

[gusty mirage]

you know

its funny you say that

[royal lantern]

you can now play ret on mythic lvl

[gusty mirage]

because I have 2 talent sets:
raid I think?
m+ I think?

and I just move the same 3 points around

[vestal wren]

glowing buttons yay

[royal lantern]

tbf, i have a assa set called "raid with splatter" and one called "raid pure st"

the only difference is splatter and Internal

and im to lazy to manualy swap them

[gusty mirage]

imp sac -> bop, freedom sprint -> divine storm heal, aoe reduction + speed -> cleanse

[vestal wren]

^ adding more events and dots is just making the sim run slower

[gusty mirage]

listen I'm invested in Losmi's sim rn

no one can take that away from me

[thorn fjord]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6b93UnpsiYHVGmV8asG99s No PI

[vestal wren]

just turn on pedro 4h loop and there you go

[thorn fjord]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p5tXUUrEELpYZgwVz8rEEs With PI

Well damn

@vestal wren have i beat the game yet?

[vestal wren]

nicu

[thorn fjord]

Cant believe sub logs are still janked tho lol

[sweet quartz]

hello! i'm super new to assassination. i was just hitting the st dummy and compared it to my sim results. overall dps was 240k vs 327k... but the percentage breakdown for abilities is pretty similar. there probably isn't a quick fix to gaining dps, but are there any "new players usually don't do this" tips?

[subtle tundra]

new players usually dont know which poisons to use

[thorn fjord]

you can sim for target dummy w/o buffs

[frosty bridge]

51% fuck yes

[subtle tundra]

so uh, amp deadly

never instant

[sweet quartz]

oh no buffs sim is 252k apparently

[sweet quartz]

i was only using one poison for the first 3 hours of learning the spec 🤠

[vestal wren]

wdym only 4 weeks

[runic hinge]

Make sure you do a training dummy sim too as a regular patchwerk will include some execute time

[vestal wren]

its not that important, right

[thorn fjord]

Right

[rotund oak]

discord had better days or what

[grim jay]

but people need something to complain about

[normal mist]

With you here is always a good day @rotund oak

[grim jay]

else there would only be tww dooming

[rotund oak]

i mean the discord discord,not this discord server

its laggy and for some reason ive got messages i cant read

but thx

[vestal wren]

i don't think its unresonable to mention it as a problem

[normal mist]

I SAID WHAT I SAID

[rotund oak]

🫶

[thorn fjord]

Not like there’s anything else to do but parse this season anyway

Sucks for sub

[grim jay]

many do see it as a huge problem which should have some kind of prio

which to me seems unreasonable

[gusty mirage]

@frosty bridge 71%

[thorn fjord]

dude wtf

[frosty bridge]

HAHAHA

[thorn fjord]

Ive pooped had a smoke, coffee and left my desk twice

[gusty mirage]

brother

[thorn fjord]

And its still not finished?

[frosty bridge]

same, took a dump, made a cuppa

[gusty mirage]

I just did a lap around the entire building

it's a big building

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-5852775606711249238

^^ Raid Bots right now

[spice spire]

[frosty bridge]

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-walking-cat-meme-cat-meme-cat-run-gif-11219708134857825706

[frosty bridge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kHG1rnbMNfcMYspGWJNSqs

@gusty mirage ITS DONE

[potent raven]

lol damn

[spice spire]

Hey you can’t really have something with the N word in it here, not going to call it evading, but please pay more attention to what you post

[potent raven]

mb

[thorn fjord]

you cant say nipple?!

[shy pecan]

[thorn fjord]

damn i just said it

[spice spire]

It wasn’t nipple

[thorn fjord]

YOU DID TOO

DAAAAAMN

[spice spire]

It’s fine it happens, it was clearly a mistake and not even a focal point or the point of the screenshot.

[thorn fjord]

Fucking house special Lo Mein fucked me up

[gusty mirage]

[stable jay]

do I get the pants or tokens? (I already have better back and hand armor) (the pants would also be 6 lvl's higher than my current ones and unlock the 2 set item perk for me)

[hearty reef]

pants

[grim jay]

@gusty mirage I dedicated this key to you

777 is a sign

[spice spire]

[bronze pike]

ill pogo u

[spice spire]

Dog?

Are you good?

[desert pasture]

guy kicked me down on the voloc parse

who gave you pi and evoker dmg

[quiet oar]

No

[hearty coral]

i just got kingsbane im lvl 59.. any advices? Also whats your key for it? I don't know where to put it XD

[spice spire]

Real

[spice spire]

I use R, dance first (can macro)

Kb is a lot of the spec

[runic hinge]

No

[spice spire]

Recommend reading up on it need to do a lot sequentially

[spice spire]

Real pt /

[scenic nacelle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hearty coral]

i can macro death mark + trinkets ?

[gusty mirage]

Priest is my friend, and after that I was just pressing the shiny buttons. Ret’s silly

[gusty mirage]

Ily2 king

[waxen oyster]

my ret friend used to tell me he used to sac before popping sov

just to get the full value explosion

[desert pasture]

Or maybe tell him to sov during the aoe...?

Or soak

[waxen oyster]

does sov damage go up if it explodes during wings

[desert pasture]

No

It absorbs the 592k or something

Explodes for that

[waxen oyster]

pretend its an on use dps trinket

unless you really need it

[desert pasture]

Depends on your versa*

[desert pasture]

Could say that

[waxen oyster]

I imagine it scales with versa and attack power

[desert pasture]

Since the only meaningful time to use it is during soak/the aoe after

[desert pasture]

Health and vers

[waxen oyster]

oh

cow pally for dps?