assassination

[dusky carbon]

i think it helped guys

[thorn fjord]

Fuck taking gouge anyway

[gusty mirage]

[woeful vault]

Blind works wonders, especially if you have the airborne irritant (or whatever the talent node was called) that makes it aoe. You can cast in a group near the incorp and it usually blinds them, or target the incorp to be sure and get everyone around it

[cloud basin]

okay cool. Im still learning what tools we have for m+ lol

[gusty mirage]

ye aoe blind is sick for m+ as well

for hard interrupts

esp when you have 523432398423984239842 stuns in the group

petition blizzard to make tricks of the trade baseline again

because choosing between blackjack and tricks is kinda toxic

30% DR is nuts

[cloud basin]

cheap shot see any use?

[gusty mirage]

last minute desperation if a cast is about to go off

but outside of that 1 off use, nah

not worth giving up time in dance/using vanish for

[autumn frost]

Yeah why did they f our tricks

[woeful vault]

And only if you have stealth active at the time, otherwise I never see it used or use it myself

[gusty mirage]

yeah I took that shit off my bars

esp as assa w/ garrote silence

kinda unnecessary

airborne halving the cooldown of blind + kidney shot

you kinda never need cheapshot anymore outside of pvp

[thorn fjord]

As sin you don’t really need tricks tho do you?

Not like you’re pulling crazy aggro

[gusty mirage]

I mean tricks is for everyone, not just yourself

lol

[thorn fjord]

Ah true

But fuck everyone else

[autumn frost]

Tricks let you help move mobs to the tank

[gusty mirage]

I can tell you I'd appreciate a tricks on my pally

[autumn frost]

as he charges elsewhere to grab more mobs

[gusty mirage]

press final verdict and if it crits

I die

it's pretty cool

[thorn fjord]

Our dev voker has been traumatized by that same sentiment

[gusty mirage]

I press 1 button and just die

[autumn frost]

I mean that's why you have bubble

[gusty mirage]

meanwhile the hunter is blasting

and they're chilling

[storm forum]

Didn't dev spells get threat reduction?

[thorn fjord]

Yeah just bubble forehead

[autumn frost]

Or bop

[gusty mirage]

I can't do it every pull

[thorn fjord]

They still pull a ton of threat

[autumn frost]

Sure you can

just make sure you only pull based on your cd

[gusty mirage]

true

[true condor]

is this a good beginning

[gusty mirage]

but my anvil stacks

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

Not awful. I’m sure there are places to improve though!

[gusty mirage]

assassination is kinda doo doo for smolderon

council is a meme

everything else seems fine for someone who just picked up the spec tbh

[true condor]

i always forget to use Garr and Rup

[gusty mirage]

yeah that'll do it

[true condor]

and overcap my cp

[keen spruce]

[storm forum]

Same

[autumn frost]

My cd's getting desynced is such a pain

Our damage is so damage window dependant.

[true condor]

i ask for PI from a priest every pull

[autumn frost]

I have to bribe my priest

and the priest said he charges 10k per pull

Not even 10k per raid

[storm forum]

My hunters got my back and told our priest to PI me instead of them

[true condor]

what a beast

[dark token]

Unholy should be the only person who completes with us now

Their burst on pull still better

So technically you wanna pi unholy on opener and sin rest of fight

[gusty mirage]

it's only a 23k dps dif

[pure moth]

Can you link the spreadsheet for this please

[dark token]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1exJeu5eVe4bTmyg3WFx5PTxIWvDLi0j-WW-XWpGoG88/htmlview#

Since bloodmallet not updated

[spice surge]

No execute PI sim

[dark token]

Ye that's why sin so good overall is the last pi in execute I think

[gusty mirage]

someone just needs to poke him in discord

and ask him to update the simc build for his charts

he's really good about it most of the time

[void gazelle]

!dagger

[gusty mirage]

damn moroes actually just ignored you

toxic ass bot

[dark token]

!dagger

[gusty mirage]

!dagger

fuck you moroes

[true condor]

what if we ask for PI also for aug

it will be the bis

[gusty mirage]

I FOUND IT

I GOT YOU

god that took so much longer

[quiet oar]

i was too slow

i wanted to post it

[void gazelle]

Thanks you!

[quiet oar]

to be your bot

[subtle tundra]

good bot

[quiet oar]

[gusty mirage]

ty

[true condor]

why are u here tira

[quiet oar]

im everywhere ??

[gusty mirage]

discord is cringe and won't search for specifically "!dagger"

[true condor]

give oxi lord that screenshot tira lord@quiet oar

should be new !dagger

[thorn fjord]

discord the consciences observer

[gusty mirage]

tiramil is everywhere

including in my DMs

[true condor]

he vanish then

[quiet oar]

I dont know

But

Oxi do you want to know what bac would do

WIth Nick of time

[thorn fjord]

Third week i get boots in that stupid dungeon

[gusty mirage]

play outlaw?

[quiet oar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1236949730387562537/Screenshot_2024-05-06_095525.gif

[thorn fjord]

hot

[quiet oar]

[gusty mirage]

kinda based tbh

[true condor]

i am waiting Nick of time for so long

[dusky carbon]

you just run dawn on mythic 0 right?

[modest spindle]

is there a "good way" to spend bullions? or just buy whatever gives most ilvl?

[dusky carbon]

yeah you should prioritize bis trinkets / MH

[quiet oar]

Ye spec channels have pins

what good chocies are

[modest spindle]

well the vendors don't sell nick, is there a 2nd best one to get from the vendor

[dusky carbon]

you can just sim it tbh

droptimizer

[spice surge]

It doesnt really matter what dagger you buy

Secondary stats are fake either way

Id just suggest to buy the dreamcarver because it effectively comes with a speed proc

[quiet oar]

[spice surge]

Well, having the "perfect" distribution of it. You just want more of it

[modest spindle]

i have Ashes dropped, i see the sim linked in the pins using signet as 2nd trinket but no clue how sims work idk what it's sim'ed for, i mostly wanna run dungeons and aoe content, is signet still good to get besides ashes?

[dusky carbon]

i would get grieftorch especially if you'd ever play one of the other specs

[modest spindle]

don't rly care about other rogue specs

but maybe i should get dagger, my dagger have both vers on them

[dusky carbon]

hey maybe stupid question but is there a difference between dawn of the infinite mythic 0 andd hardmode for nick of time drops?

[spice surge]

yes

It doesnt drop on the hero track unless you do hardmode

[vestal wren]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[gusty mirage]

[dusky carbon]

how tough is hardmode dawn of the infinite? im getting declined left right and center at 508 ilvl

[thorn fjord]

It feels like a 22/23 did sort of

Maybe less

Its not super hard but you gotta do mechanics

[dusky carbon]

ok so not puggable lol

[bright turret]

boss hp is low, but the damage you take is high

[digital venture]

I tried it on the 1st week and if I didn't use cds on the 1st boss when he puts the sand out it would one shot me

[bright turret]

if you can clear a 10, it aint bad, but i wouldnt take a pug below 515

healer has to be on point too

[dusky carbon]

got it... my group is doing 8-10s right now

[drifting cedar]

When we use ashes? Before our shadow dance or?

[spice spire]

On dm

[drifting cedar]

Cool, thanks

is it wise to macro it?

[normal mist]

both on a 2min cd right?

[drifting cedar]

ye

[normal mist]

then yes

[grim jay]

they just decline you because they know 99% of the rogues leave after 2nd boss

[fervent rune]

After the buffs where do you guys think sin is for pi? still behind evoker and dk?

[primal jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1238147342180286576/Screenshot_20240509-161513.png?ex=663e3a12&is=663ce892&hm=d4734d05a070605aced521be6b3380a101b0d8819688e33d816ec991bb9fb033&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=643&height=683

[spice spire]

Fuck that was quick

Jesus

[primal jolt]

:)

[fervent rune]

haha yeah thx

[vestal wren]

sin might be higher even

[gusty mirage]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1exJeu5eVe4bTmyg3WFx5PTxIWvDLi0j-WW-XWpGoG88/htmlview#

[vast loom]

wait WW is a good PI target now wtf lol

i thought they were like outlaw levels on PI

[marble hemlock]

windwalkers dont exist in raid anyway

[runic hinge]

That’s what she said

[tepid glacier]

Is assa doing better after the buffs?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[spice spire]

Ofc it’s doing better it was buffed! Enough to notice though? Yeah

[tepid glacier]

Mighy try it out,

Outlaw in pugs is

Got told to do more aoe dmg with an sp and boomy in group

[royal lantern]

tell the boomy to do more st dmg instead of jerking themself of on starfall

[tepid glacier]

True

[gusty mirage]

[dark token]

I still wouldn't play sin in keys tbh

Top squishy

[gusty mirage]

"Hey spec that does aoe based off prio damage for like literally the entire existence of the spec do more aoe"

[tepid glacier]

Give outlaw uncapped aoe

And assa, fuck sub

[spice surge]

Ig theres some dungeons where sins prio burst is really good

[gusty mirage]

I think the people you play with need to learn how to read tbh

that's step 1

[spice surge]

Both nokhud and rlp have decent profiles

[tepid glacier]

Theyre pugs

[gusty mirage]

oh true

they can't read

[tepid glacier]

Cant expect too much

[gusty mirage]

plus they play ranged dps

they triple can't read

[tepid glacier]

HAHA

[gusty mirage]

(we skip double, because double negative is a positive and fuck them casters)

[royal lantern]

its a boomy (aka the biggest fucking idiots on the planet) and a spriest(FotM Roller)

what the fuck do you expect? smart stuff out of their mouths?

[tepid glacier]

Casters are our enemies

[gusty mirage]

I was told that fury warrior was worse than assassination pre-tuning

like unironically

by a boomkin

[royal lantern]

you see

rogue is OP

the end

[gusty mirage]

I was like "compare non-PI logs"

[royal lantern]

thats how 98% of the playerbase see rogue

[slate crown]

Anything a boomy says

[royal lantern]

you sended me the screenshot oxi, i know it

[slate crown]

Interpret as polar opposite of true

[gusty mirage]

then I showed them the top 15 magmorax logs, excluding externals, for both assa and fury

and their response

"LUL WHO CARES ABOUT TOP LOGS"

"ITS JUST PAD"

you know

all that pad on the single target boss magmorax

[royal lantern]

im padding HARD on volcorros aswell

[gusty mirage]

[royal lantern]

or however that fire snake is writen

[spice spire]

Real

[gusty mirage]

close enough

boomkins expecting to be taken seriously

and they haven't bothered submitting a profile to simc

[potent raven]

https://tenor.com/view/spicy-cat-kitten-kitty-cute-gif-11787104311869609440

[primal jolt]

man im tempted to play hunter for tww

id roll survival or something

[brave gyro]

Idk how they'll be power-wise, but their Hero Talents seem absolutely

[hollow phoenix]

Someone has the Whispyr weak aura he made from the afenar pls?

or just a decent caustic tracker

[primal jolt]

as uninteresting as rogue

id say hunter ones are even more exciting

if anythign

[brave gyro]

rogues are udnerdesigned, but not boring theme wise

[fallen arch]

I’d never even consider rolling hunter

[brave gyro]

hunters themes are actually boring

[fallen arch]

Idk why but they always seems like the least knowledgable players in any sort of content

[primal jolt]

i agree

thats where the huntard comes from

but i mean

[fallen arch]

Yes

[brave gyro]

it could be just confirmation bias - you are extra vigilant when observing hunters, so you notice more of their mistakes

[fallen arch]

Or they just be stoopid

[brave gyro]

For example, with warriors: they are either 99% or 9% XD

its rare to meet middle of the pack

[fallen arch]

The hunter pack is always rock bottom thats why

[royal lantern]

hunter themes are cool for their trees

the problem is that all 3 trees are the same desing lmao

[runic hinge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
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LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
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Pooling Practice Tool

[royal lantern]

"play like you allready do, and sometimes summon a pet that does dmg" is all 3 hunter trees

[brave gyro]

Could be true. I just saw the packleader one in more detail and it was rough

[primal jolt]

idk i find the survival bombs pretty fun

[royal lantern]

like, Sentinels and Dark Rangers ARE big things inuniverse

[primal jolt]

especially on sentinel

[royal lantern]

its just that they made the same tree 2x with them lol

[foggy juniper]

i have one embilshment on wrists whats the other better one? boots or belt?

[royal lantern]

there is no better slot

whatever is a better upgrade for you

[foggy juniper]

hmmm

how can i sim on what slot the crafted will be better? idk how to use that lol

[quiet junco]

mythic plus...boon or torch? torch sims higher on dslice for me but i remember boon from s1 was crazy

[royal lantern]

boon if coordinated and BIG pulls are done

torch in pugs

atleast imo

[quiet junco]

win win it seems

[royal lantern]

torch just has the value that its kinda braindead to use + helps with things like bursting boss mechanics down

boon is not really a thing for boss fights aswell

[somber sparrow]

where does priest's husband boomkin fit in there, and ret palys who have the legendary, they seem to take the PI in our raid despite us having both UH DK and myself, assassination rogue 😄

[royal lantern]

thats honestly a failure from the raidleading side then

unless its a meme parse run

[brave gyro]

Side note, wasn't trying to diss on the choice. Different strokes for different folks

[primal jolt]

kekw idc

[shy pecan]

[brave gyro]

I care

[primal jolt]

fight me

[brave gyro]

[rough moss]

Just took a look at the logs, assa seems to be on top this week

[foggy juniper]

anyone knows?

[rough moss]

with the ilvl upgrade, it will get better and better right ?

[rotund oak]

yeah but i think everntually sub scales better

sin is definitely very very cool

[rough moss]

I hate playing sub tbh so I’m really happy sin is getting buffed

[rotund oak]

sin issue is survivability

dmg is there

[rough moss]

Sub has more survivability than sin ?

[somber sparrow]

yeah i'm going through our logs, a couple fights we actually had 4 priests. one was getting the UHDK every time, one was getting her husband's boomkin, and then the other two were each getting a paladin because they have the legendary axe (even though one is a tank getting PI). It's actually really frustrating.

[rotund oak]

yeah it also has acro which makes it alot more comfortable to play around

[royal lantern]

what has the legendary to do with Pi

[rotund oak]

mechanics

[somber sparrow]

coolness factor for some

[royal lantern]

its more like

assa has "only" the basic rogue toolkit

aka cloak with 2min cd, evasion which is very very niche and 2x feint

outlaw has CDR on everything and cus of that they have deffensive stuff up all the time

[gusty mirage]

does outlaw have french fries

🍟

[slate crown]

do we have french fries? Can I have some of yours I forgot mine at home

[royal lantern]

while also having some passive deffensive talents on outlaw

sub has CDR on everything with shadowdust which also makes things like cloak avaible waaaay more often and has deffensive talents

tl:dr

[gusty mirage]

I'd share my fries with you

[slate crown]

[royal lantern]

assa has "only" basic toolkit with full cd's, outlaw/sub have passive more deffensive allready and can also reduce the cd of deffensive stuff

(cdr on deffensive skills should not exist btw)

[rough moss]

Ok my bad never realized shadowdust worked on defensive too

[thorn fjord]

OL lets you ignore mechanics

[thorn fjord]

SHHHH how else would I have evasion up for every huge pack of spiteful

[royal lantern]

sub has cloak for every single smolderon intermission

[rough moss]

But yea outlaw cdr is nuts for having évasion on every pack on mm+ lol

[gusty mirage]

you just tell your healer you're dueling

[royal lantern]

now combine it with elusivness 🙂

[gusty mirage]

and you battle the spiteful to the death

[royal lantern]

its like fighting depression

you only win for a short time and take heavy dmg

https://tenor.com/view/mood-sad-panda-gif-14650463720672021603

[gusty mirage]

[royal lantern]

and then it comes back

[gusty mirage]

why'd you have to make it real

[thorn fjord]

Im always going to lose

[gusty mirage]

ok

[magic fossil]

guys we are going with blue silk for embilishment roght?

right*

[royal lantern]

ye

[plush gorge]

is it normal that the cleave and hybrid build for M+ sims higher than the shock build in dungeon slice

[raw cedar]

Apologies if this has been asked again, but in the spreadsheet sims, is PI turned on for the Assa ST Simulation? That would explain the 22k difference in my own sims between Assa and Sub

[lavish pine]

what piece do you use to do fire dmg to proc with the Seal of Diurna's Chosen?

[slate crown]

So I just came back after a while and got 3 bunyuns from killing bosses and such, and I have the 2 available to me from the weekly quest. If I don't complete the weekly quest on a character, do you think I'll be able to get those 2 from drops like I did the previous three starting next week? I plan to complete the quest on my rogue but not sure if I should be trying to do it on my warrior as well (warrior stopped playing in season 2 and is like 449 ilvl so going to have to put some effort into getting it up before).

[thorn fjord]

Might wanna get those feet checked out

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/8doubloons-cat-stretching-cat-stretch-orange-cat-stretching-cat-stretching-gif-gif-23999426

[thorn fjord]

iirc if you dont finish the quest you'll lose out on the 2

[slate crown]

hmmmm k :/

[thorn fjord]

Like you can miss the 1 you get off raid drop and get it the following week

But the weekly is a different story

You can just spam 4 AA's M0's and get it done super quick

[royal lantern]

hey, is that whisp in his programing socks?

[dark token]

I always plan for the worst case with blizzard

I'd do the quest just in case

[gusty mirage]

safest route tbh

[glossy brook]

for manic + ashes open with everything + ashes or do i manic and then wait for ashes to come back up to pop everything?

[thorn fjord]

Ash with DM

Then Torch when its back up

[buoyant moat]

should I be chaining Envenoms over and over again or should I aim to be above 50% energy for sanguine blades and just pandemic Envenom close to it wearing off?

[thorn fjord]

You dont play around blades... You just want to make sure you pandemicing your env outside of CD's

Within CD's you send env as much as possible

[balmy condor]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[thorn fjord]

always forget thats a command lol

@balmy condor good morning

[buoyant moat]

nvm answered my follo-up without tier too lol ty

[balmy condor]

[buoyant moat]

ok ok so with this in mind if I can still maintain Sanguine I do outside of CD's while still procing tier

[balmy condor]

If you don’t have tier yeah

[lavish pine]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
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Pooling Practice Tool

[balmy condor]

Should just be maximizing envenom uptime generally

[buoyant moat]

rgr

[strange python]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grim bison]

someone has gear from boolions to sim?

[thorn fjord]

can run droptimizer

[spice surge]

Either run droptimizer or add them to your topgear with the search function

[vestal wren]

i also did put 4 items in the pin in #subtlety that might be relevant
can use the gear lists from #tc-research alternative (both for top gear)

[keen spruce]

Survived

They cut up my shirt as a trophy

[balmy condor]

[vast loom]

does grieftorch "work" with the smolderon dmg amp?

[balmy condor]

yes

damage taken increases don't care what damage they're taking

it's the "you deal increased damage" stuff that doesn't work on trinkets

[vast loom]

i thought the smolderon dmg amp was that tho LOL

when you collect the orbs

[old halo]

this damage amp he talking about that dont work, boss amps work on trinkets

[vast loom]

i see i see

[balmy condor]

yeah

[obtuse cliff]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[bright turret]

interesting rogue changes, F for acro

[heavy junco]

guys new meta is asas for rog ?

🙂

[spice surge]

You can play any of the specs

Theyre all fine

[heavy junco]

i got outlaw items but idk rotation

any tips and trick ?

[bright turret]

read the outlaw faq?

[proven jasper]

Acro was just too much of a good thing

It was bound to happen

[bright turret]

Being stubborn and playing sin without it for the last 2 seasons winded up being a good thing since it weened me off it

[hexed willow]

Cut to the chase baseline js beautiful

[proven jasper]

Sexiest change for sure

[indigo mulch]

+

[humble owl]

hey what talents u play for m+ hybride ?, arterial shock ?

[balmy condor]

whatever you feel like partner

try them all, pick your favorite

[fresh kelp]

Is shadow dance only a subtlety thing now in TWW with these changes?

[thorn fjord]

no

[balmy condor]

#tww-assassination and yes, outlaw and assassination don't have access to shadow dance in the next expansion

[fresh kelp]

That’s awesome!

[thorn fjord]

Thought i saw someone bitching about SD still being prevalent in other specs outside of sub

Guess i mixed that up

[balmy condor]

but they removed it from the class tree

like

[wild condor]

Holy shit we also got a extra charge or vanish and 6 secs of Subterfuge

[lavish pine]

can you receive multiple [Incandescent Essence]?

[wild condor]

And they switched Acro with Recuperator spots too

[slate crown]

It is not consumed on use

[lavish pine]

ah reading tooltip would have done it xD

sry and thanks

🙂

[balmy condor]

#tww-assassination

[thorny cloak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKjZuykKY1I

[agile wedge]

team, it has been a while when i played assa. do i play around the set somehow or dont i need to care about it

[balmy condor]

yes, it's the main thing you play around outside of cooldowns

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[nimble tartan]

hi my raider need help his name is @hollow vault aka tubas he play sin in keys :/ and in raid he ask for pi

[misty comet]

And?

[keen spruce]

give him PI

[nimble tartan]

ok i will

[keen spruce]

[tepid glacier]

problem solved

[thorn fjord]

My brain having a hard time dealing with no acro

[balmy condor]

and being in the right channel

[thorn fjord]

Im playing sin

[balmy condor]

oh you mean just playing no acro

[thorn fjord]

yuh

[balmy condor]

I thought you were talking about the acro rework

[thorn fjord]

Dont even know about the rework

[balmy condor]

11.0 thing

don't mind

[thorn fjord]

sadge

[proven jasper]

for the best really

[steel ridge]

jesus blizzard, just increase all classes meleerange by 2y

if 3y is too much

i dont wanna tickle boss balls while standing in 99999 voids

[keen spruce]

i never cared enough about acro

to care about it going away

it's a nice to have, but takes like a couple of dungeons to get used to not having it

[thorn fjord]

True

Finally got to get some pulls in and it feels nice

Hadn’t played sin since Dec

[dark token]

I'm up the bosses ass like thanos

Pls blizzard let us hang free

Give all melee +2-3y and delete extra range talents

[thorn fjord]

It does feel weird being up the bosses ass now

You press a button then nothing happens then you’re like oh right booty pov

[steel ridge]

make this a petition

[subtle cipher]

All melee but rogue and feral

[agile wedge]

ty

[dark token]

EU stats are in turns out sin goodge

(with pi)

Apart from blizz mishandling survival hunters and bugging sub/aug all classes seem pretty close in raid

Now if only they could do this for keys

[alpine lion]

Where are you folks using your Manic Grieftorch in your rotation?

[balmy condor]

whenever it's up and I'm not in cds

[alpine lion]

Would you prioritize your normal opener with it and THEN use it? Or use it in between?

[balmy condor]

you ashes with deathmark

that puts grief on cooldown cause shared cd

when grief comes up

you press grief

[alpine lion]

Ah, OK, I plan on getting Ashes this Tuesday

Right now I just have a Brand

[balmy condor]

oouch

not having a stat on use for cds hurts a ton

ashes next week and you ascend

[alpine lion]

Yeah, I miss ashes, but all my sims are suggesting I use the Brand

So I should have Ashes + Grieftorch on Tuesday

Just out of curiosity, when do you work Ashes into your opener?

[balmy condor]

I have it macro'd to kingsbane+dance

[alpine lion]

Wonderful, that's what I was doing last leason too

[keen spruce]

[normal mist]

How many paladins do you want?
Yes!

[spice surge]

Aint no way burst specs are good at short fights

[dark token]

Amirdrassil wasn't THAT short

[primal jolt]

oh thank god i rerolled

[dark token]

Felt like first week of farm in terms of fight length

Or late prog

[primal jolt]

i coudlnt stand being a top dps class

[bright turret]

it's stolen valor from poor bugged augs

[runic hinge]

PvP trinkets? What in the minigame

[subtle tundra]

amirdrassil is also full of good sin fights

[primal jolt]

idk

[clever sapphire]

this emoji is slightly triggering me, i hate having things selected

[primal jolt]

kek thats the point

[wanton spear]

are the M+ builds on wowhead what we are still going on tyran week?

[keen spruce]

Ye

Low keys arterial shock. If you really care about more ST go cleave

[wanton spear]

10+ keys

bout to do a 12 uld

[keen spruce]

But cleave will suffer a bit in AoE if you don’t have a high health mob that can survive a kingsbane

I don’t play anymore idk what high and low keys are anymore

[wanton spear]

10 = old 20

[keen spruce]

Arty shock will probably be default unless you have a good reason to not play it

[tepid glacier]

This season +12 is a +22

[dark token]

Fake news

[keen spruce]

I didn’t use cleave until like 25s last season

[dark token]

Keys got easier overall

[keen spruce]

If that’s any barometer

[dark token]

People already doing +20 aka 30

In week 2

Keys got hyper inflated

It's more like +5 difficulty not +10

[tepid glacier]

Fake news when blizz posted it themselves ?xd

[dark token]

Yes

[tepid glacier]

Ok enough assa chat back@to outlaw

[wanton spear]

guessing i gotta run thistle even tho i hate not using acro

[royal python]

Is it a bug or not, shadowstepping behind council bear , n you receive frontal ?

[balmy condor]

yep

the hitbox on the charge is very big

if you step mid-charge you're still in the hitbox

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-oops-gif-18113744246722416205

[royal python]

Ty

[balmy condor]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[balmy condor]

@harsh harbor

[harsh harbor]

ty sir

[eager plaza]

So save vanish and shadow dance for when you can't re stealth instead of kb window in mythic plus packs?

[balmy condor]

yes

[royal python]

But how does this account for the fact that garotte rupture spread is done in the carnage window

[scenic nacelle]

For anyone that uses LE Weakaura pack, what does the red bar mean? I know light green is shiv and dark green is tea. Correct me if I'm wrong

https://imgur.com/MJZKsc5

[thorn fjord]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[proper tapir]

Just ask them @slate crown

[proven jasper]

From the timing id guess vanish but yeah you could just ask

[runic hinge]

Looks like the carnage icon

Oh wait you mean on the kingsbane bar?

That’s when shadow dance runs out

[drifting cloud]

its for imp garrote

[slate crown]

Correct, it is when shadow dance ends. @scenic nacelle

[scenic nacelle]

gotcha, perfect

makes sense

[slate crown]

The intention is yes, “this is when your garrotes are no longer improved, and your ambush is no longer accessible”

[scenic nacelle]

ty, great work on the pack. Love it

[drifting cloud]

oh theres 2 of them I guess you dont ahve it macrod

[slate crown]

You can also enable icons to show up on those bars rather than bars alone, on the options tab

[drifting cloud]

since the expiring one is so far on the right

[obtuse cliff]

sub parses looks so funny, apparently set is bugged for logs

[scenic nacelle]

yea, sec tech damn not counting unforch

[slate crown]

Oh yes, the Red one also is when to use Ashes. In s3 there was an optimization on uses Ashes 3 seconds in. That’s that bar and should only show when you have ashes equipped.

However that recommendation changed and most people just macro it with KB now. You can disable that tick mark on the custom options page too for now, I will consider disabling the tick by default now that it’s just combined with KB

Good ask, I had forgotten about that tick

[scenic nacelle]

cool good to know

[scenic nacelle]

im lost, dont know where to find the tick

[magic fossil]

thoughts on [Glittering Gelid Goldchain] 502, simc better than my 522 from azure vault?

this one you get killing weekly boss in emerald dream, big bear.

20ilvl, but simc shows 7k+ for 502 piece.

[dusty frost]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

link the sim

[drifting cloud]

you already know its user error xd

[balmy condor]

hey now

don't get ahead of me

[drifting cloud]

im thinking if a world exists where if you have 0 mastery

if it could happen

[balmy condor]

7k is a ton though

[drifting cloud]

yeah

[balmy condor]

that's like a full 2.5%

from a 20 ilvl downgrade

and no special green text

I ain't buying it

gotta be missing sockets or something

[magic fossil]

okay one sec

[drifting cloud]

nvm azure one has mastery aswell

[restive falcon]

think im at to much mastery now, im at 82%

and as sub im at 117%

[scenic nacelle]

which trigger is it? 9?

[drifting cloud]

look at the custom options tab not the trigger

but yeah its nr. 9 :p

[hollow vault]

god bless

[young badger]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[proper tapir]

Patchwerk lovers, the estimates in fuu’s sheet are a little low; I have us at 375,733 DPS which is +0.64%. This has Sin beating Sub by 0.34%. Congratz on 2nd place!

Sin M+ folks, our time is now! DSlice sim updates with my APL puts us at 511,739 DPS (+14.5% from the SimC APL). We’re only 8.6% lower than Outlaw and 16% higher than Sub. You won’t see these gains unless you use the APL in the link; it’s just like the SimC APL but without the sandbags in DSlice. Most importantly, keep being awesome.

Merk’s Sims

[keen spruce]

holy fk I just had a new gif idea

standby

not that

[obtuse cliff]

When do i refresh rupture + garrote? When they've fallen off or 1-2sec before that happens?

[keen spruce]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[keen spruce]

^ like this

[obtuse cliff]

If I understand correctly I should let empowered bleeds fall off and then refresh?

[drifting cloud]

yeah

unless youre refreshing them with empowered ones also

[obtuse cliff]

Also sorry for dumb question, empowered = Improved garrote or Sanguine Blades buff?

[balmy condor]

improved

sanguine blades is just a passive

[obtuse cliff]

okay so stealth garrote gotcha

[balmy condor]

no snapshotting on that or anything

[obtuse cliff]

kk thanks<3

[balmy condor]

np

[subtle cipher]

i know its garbage

but how garbage lol

[balmy condor]

pretty garbage

[subtle cipher]

worse than a puzzle box garbage?

kek

[balmy condor]

it would be your second trinket alongside the puzzle box

[subtle cipher]

worth the swap u think?

idk if i roll need on those

[balmy condor]

over the cct

[subtle cipher]

dropped 2 :S

[balmy condor]

probably

minor upgrade at best

[subtle cipher]

and puzzle > cct?

[balmy condor]

they compete for different trinket slots

puzzle is your on-use for cooldowns

cct doesn't contend with that

[subtle cipher]

but i shouldnt use bandolier over cct?

if i do i would have 2 use

[balmy condor]

that's fine

the bandolier is probably better than cct

but not by much

you'd really just want to get an ashes and a grieftorch with your next bullions though

[drifting cloud]

its 90s cd honestly cct might be better

[subtle cipher]

yeah, will get grief with bullions

[drifting cloud]

but yeah you just buy trinkets with bullions

[subtle cipher]

u think cct better than puzzle?

[drifting cloud]

no, puzzle is your best trinket

right now

[balmy condor]

you have 2 trinket slots

[subtle cipher]

lifes rough

[balmy condor]

one is an on-use stat trinket

for your cds

the other is the filler

cct is not an on-use stat trinket

it does not compete with puzzle

[drifting cloud]

by on use he means something that gives stats

[balmy condor]

they are not comparable

[drifting cloud]

not actual bandolier

[balmy condor]

that's why I said on-use stat

[drifting cloud]

ok not like Im reading

sorry sir

[obtuse cliff]

I can't stand talk about trinkets, i wish I could hide the fact that I bought this as first trinket XD

[drifting cloud]

thats fine

[balmy condor]

signet is good

[obtuse cliff]

Not better than grief most fights:(

was thinking it would be nice for diurna procs

didnt know back then it stacks so slow

[subtle cipher]

yep

2 on use feels so meh

[keen spruce]

this took longer than planned

• When you get a warning for pedro-ing in tww-assasination

[haughty flicker]

Rise up pedros

[split jewel]

does numbing poison stack with warlock one?

[spice surge]

Attack speed no

Cast speed yes, if it works

[split jewel]

thanks

[spice surge]

Worth noting that the cast speed rarely works again bosses/big enemies

Most notable use for it is the casters near nokhud second boss

[heady sonnet]

Do you guys take bug reports here lol. Or is it just for spec discussion, I found a weird talent interaction which isn't viable but still broken

As in it doesn't work

not overpowered

[spice surge]

Sure just mention it

[heady sonnet]

Well, anyway. if you don't take [Improved Garrote] for whatever reason, [Iron Wire] no longer silences targets from stealth. Idk if they were previously related & got moved around or what.

I was trying to make a low-energy build and stubled across this

Stumbled rather

[keen spruce]

I think i remember that one

someone mentioned it early last season after the rework

I think it was just widely ignored because there's never a world where you skip imp garrote

[spice surge]

I have a faint memory of it working if you didnt have subterfuge specced as well

But i could be mistaken

[keen spruce]

i don't think i ever tested it personally

[spice surge]

As in, no subterfuge and no garrote, then iron wire works

[keen spruce]

[heady sonnet]

Ah, no unfortunately my dumb build has neither of those currently. Still no iron wire.

[spice surge]

Unfortunate

[heady sonnet]

Is there an efficient way to harass blizzard about this kinda bug or is it just hopeless

[keen spruce]

probably hopeless

but if you can log / video it

and do like some test cases

someone can add it to the pile

[heady sonnet]

Do I need anything specific or just a simple like obs recording of it on a training dummy

[keen spruce]

obs recording probably fine

maybe get clips of like normal setup, no imp yes subterfuge yes IW, then no imp no subterfuge yes IW

[heady sonnet]

Would I just dump it in this channel? Or is there a bug part here

[keen spruce]

and logs are always good

I'd probably just put it here

[heady sonnet]

oh ok neat. I didn't wanna inconvenience anyone by just dumping a video and stuff lol

thanks

[keen spruce]

ig you could technically add the bug to the github yourself but probably better to let someone that has done it before do it

also it's not necessarily going straight to blizzard

but it'll at least be known

and likely extremely low prio

cuz you're probbaly the only person in WoW not using imp garrote

[balmy condor]

hate to burst your bubble here but this is kinda less of a bug and more of just how the spaghetti is made behind the scenes

that one's been known for a while

but the issue is that iron wire (and shrouded suffocation for that matter), builds on top of improved garrote

in the code they work as extensions of improved garrote themselves

so they functionally just don't work without improved garrote

[keen spruce]

I defer to the blue haired purple name

[balmy condor]

it was just kinda coded that way from way back when it was attached to subterfuge in wod or legion or whenever

and just survived since

it's been reported before but kinda... I don't wanna say ignored, cause it was received

[heady sonnet]

yeah that's what i meant when I mentioned idk if they're related or used to be or got moved around. It seemed like a old prerequisite kinda thing to me.

[balmy condor]

but it was... brushed off? I guess

there's basically never a reason to take shrouded without imp garrote, and iron wire without imp gar

[heady sonnet]

I just want to make a build without Path of Blood, I actually want improved garrote. but I can't get it without increasing my energy which is what I was trying to mess around without doing lol

[keen spruce]

ROI evaluation said dw about it

[balmy condor]

imp gar is so high up in the tree it's basically just a required point

so it's probably on a bug list somewhere

but the payoff of investing time into fixing it

just ain't there

[heady sonnet]

The only reason is i'm forced to take PoB 😛

[balmy condor]

and probably never will be

[keen spruce]

PoB also basically mandatory talent

in this day and age

[heady sonnet]

yeah

not a fan

[balmy condor]

PoB is mandatory

I don't think you can actually get around it

even if you tried

[heady sonnet]

you 100% cant

[balmy condor]

what's wrong with pob

[cloud basin]

cheat death or elusiveness?

[keen spruce]

cheat in most cases

[balmy condor]

cheat death if you don't wanna think, elusiveness if you can plan it ahead

[keen spruce]

elus good tho at high keys where things will one shot you w.o feint_elus

[cloud basin]

i dont wanna think then lol

[heady sonnet]

Nothing partiuclarly wrong with PoB i just wanted to see if I could find a build that didn't have so much energy.

[keen spruce]

but most of the time just cheat

[heady sonnet]

Mostly out of nostalgia

[keen spruce]

cata classic has those

😆

[heady sonnet]

Yeah I hated cata the first time I'll likely hate it again :l

[slate crown]

If you didn't find the option

[jade wadi]

has anyone been experiencing audio tearing since reset?

[heady sonnet]

Anyways thanks for the responses yall

appreciate it

[balmy condor]

[cloud basin]

buff kingsbane, i think it needs it

lol

[balmy condor]

[scenic nacelle]

got it, ty

[woeful meteor]

pls no, nerf it again

[toxic slate]

hey guys so sims are telling me to lower my haste and mastery to raise my crit the thing is im losing 6% mastery 4% haste to gain 4% crit is this worth the swap ?

[woeful meteor]

sim is right

[spice spire]

I am less smart than robot

Because much smarter man told robot stuff

[scenic nacelle]

cleave dummies in Valdrakken taking 1 damage?

[cloud basin]

do i save deathmark on smolderon for first intermission?

[balmy condor]

no

[scenic nacelle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[dark token]

Lorrgs.io

[bold schooner]

Manic + Ashes or Cata + Ashes for raid ?

[balmy condor]

pins

[bold schooner]

sim saying cata but it is non-stop 5min fight

[slate crown]

wait wtf just happened? I just did a full aoe opener on target dummies just while idling chatting and

Why is all my damage doing like 1 damage

[gilded oasis]

you stink

[slate crown]

dummies have no buff on them protecting them

armor not broken

[gilded oasis]

somenoe mentioned that earlier

[slate crown]

0.0

[gilded oasis]

might be a spaghet thing

[balmy condor]

dummies are cooked yeah

[slate crown]

yeah mobs outside vald are fine, just the dummies

[runic hinge]

Get this, spriest has a bug where just psychic link is doing 15% instead of 30 on dummies only

There’s some major spaghetti going on rn

[gilded oasis]

I love spaghetti

I could go for some

[slate crown]

Is M0 Doti same difficulty level as all the other M0s rn?

[gilded oasis]

regular m0 yes, not hardmode

[shy pecan]

Mom’s spaghetti?

[gilded oasis]

[true condor]

should we do rupture in KB? or just all for shiv and finisher

[high jetty]

Ideally you have enough rupture to last the duration of KB before starting so that you can spend all CPs on envenon

[rotund oak]

havent done any math or theorized behind it but i do think elusiveness might be better than cheat death

im 99% sure its better for pvp

[keen spruce]

yeah i mean if you use it correctly

but that excludes like 99.5% of the playerbase off the rip

[rotund oak]

yup

[gilded oasis]

i love pushing feint

[rotund oak]

from that patch with the reduced cost that made it almost free it just coded into my biorhythm

i just press it

it was addicting to spam a free mitigation

[gilded oasis]

yee its gud

[high jetty]

How have your keys been this week so far @rotund oak

My group has been busy all week, haven’t gotten to push at all yet. Super curious to see how it goes up against priest/BM

[rotund oak]

havent qued yet,did the ilvl jump but just stepping into 10-11s rn,ill que my own keys once im done,kinda busy this week

[somber sparrow]

do you like full everything on smoldy at pull or save first deathmark for orbs

[balmy condor]

Full on pull typically

Lorrgs helps a lot for that kind of thing

Would suggest

[neat plank]

you always gotta adapt to the time it takes for your specific raid to do each fight 🙂

which can be hard to guess in pugs 😛

gnarl & volcoross both died the moment DM was ready, making me parse under 80 on both fights ❤️

to fix these 2, I'm gonna have to join one of those raids that you know are gonna be noob raids just by looking at them in the group finder, because I need their overall dps to be low for perfect cooldown timings 🙂

[rotund oak]

yup u need to rng a pug that is slow enough to allow u to send ur cds

[fresh kelp]

Could I get some advice on what to spend on my bullions and what to craft first? https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/tichondrius/cephtis

[rotund oak]

grieftorch-wpn

should sim though

should also check the pins

[neat plank]

I actually regret crafting a weapon on week 1, ive had plenty of hero track daggers drop, so now I'm 2 weeks behind on refreshing embellished gear and have crippled ilvl ;/

and even myth Kazz gave dagger and was easy in a pug

[rotund oak]

previous season i wanted the wpn craft 1st week,ended up costing a fortune and i kinda regret it after week 3-4

now im playing the patient game

got kazzara dagger and prolly bullion dreamcarver if i dont loot it tonight

also,im not going into raiding after tonight,its pointless

[neat plank]

delayed gratification always leads to success 🙂

[bright turret]

its too easy to get a good weapon with the crest system

[grim jay]

You never know what you might drop

Tho daggers are available where ever you go, which is why I dont craft one

[fair star]

coming in very late, but can confirm that monk healing broke my stealth in a raid earlier today.

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[rotund oak]

nice vid btw 👌

the tww one

[lavish pine]

What build would you recommend when things are dieing super fast in m+.
Arterial or cleave?
I've been doing 8s and most of the times my kb doesn't come close to ending even tho I activate it pretty soon

[shy pecan]

Arterial if everything dies quick

[lavish pine]

It does xD
People do so much dmg and pull so fast in 8s

Thanks mate
Ive been rolling cleave this week I'll give arterial a try today

[rotund oak]

im doing arterial shock all this time,it behaves pretty good in that range as well

but i think overall and for tyr weeks hybrid should be better

[grim jay]

The builds that rely more on KB damage for aoe might suffer a little more currently

Depending on what classes you run with

If their main aoe is dots with cleaving off of 1 target aswell, you might choose the same target

Which sucks

[balmy condor]

Ty

[weak tangle]

uhm where is combat speciaisation for cataclysm

[grim jay]

On a dedicated classic Server there might be one

We are mostly retail people

[weak tangle]

oh okay so im in wrong discord

xD

okay ty f or info

[shy pecan]

#classic-discussion

[slate crown]

#classic-discussion, pins in that channel should have links to other discords

[rotund oak]

i think it is kinda hard to sometimes make sure u send KB while spatter is up and through some mechanics but in all it rly pumps

there are certain packs like neltharus sin blows up the pulls before other classes do any dmg

like before last boss with the bird or just the 3 mobs+2 sniped before u entry the last boss area

i like it alot when u press KB and all the bleeds are up and DM running

rly satisfying

[grim jay]

We were getting some keys up for guildies yesterday, ran sin in some 13s, felt pretty good overall

[rotund oak]

once im done working im getting rdy to que some keys

cant wait

[grim jay]

I still need some more getting used to, was playing with fragment and gear that was more sub than sin, because I still dont have all my sin stuff on decent ilvl

But it wasnt far off comparing to our wl

Destruction is bugged rn tho ive heard

[runic hinge]

Anyone buy the flower daggers?

[grim jay]

Such unholy unthematic things will never enter my collection

[earnest agate]

good day fellow assassins

[grim jay]

Ive already seen some night elf druid-like rogue mog with it tho

[rotund oak]

very cringe

i mean the flower daggers

[earnest agate]

cmon what's better than getting sapped by a flower boy

[rotund oak]

killing the flower boy

im joking

to each his own

[prisma vortex]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[fringe lily]

Darn tootin

I see dagger, I buy

Pets > daggers > mounts

[runic hinge]

I’m more like mounts>pets my gf thinks are cute>daggers I’ll never tmog but still think are cool

[fringe lily]

All pets are cute

Is the law I go by

[tepid glacier]

Why arent more people playing assa? Tried to keys and the dmg seems to be fine (if you get resets)

[quiet oar]

resets?

YOu mean restealth?

[tepid glacier]

Restealth

[quiet oar]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[tepid glacier]

Ahh

[quiet oar]

As outlaw is so much more important

than sin

[tepid glacier]

Yea, is it just survivability then or?

[quiet oar]

Sin has the same problem as every dot class

Enemies need to live

a cetain time

[balmy condor]

luckily for me, you have the perfect remaining lifespan

[quiet oar]

[tepid glacier]

[balmy condor]

[quiet oar]

Im not your enemy

im your deutscher bruder

[quiet oar]

But yes, sin is the Squishest of the three specs

but still tanky

[tepid glacier]

Yea,

[quiet oar]

I had a sin last week doing 400K in Nokhud

and that was before buffs

So they kinda pump

[tepid glacier]

Yea i did 340k in a +8 when trying the spec out, big prio damage

Uldaman golems go

[subtle tundra]

doesnt seem that impressive when the sp does 1mil

[quiet oar]

It was an nokhud 8

And He had like 510

[tepid glacier]

i had an sp do 300k dps at overall dps

i love fotm rerollers

[quiet oar]

Well they need 10+

Tbh

[tepid glacier]

It was 12 neltharus

[quiet oar]

Also depends on the other dpa

If Mobs get deleted

[tepid glacier]

dev evoker and outlaw

[quiet oar]

You sinply Do no dmg

Ye

So deletion

[tepid glacier]

Yep

[orchid haven]

§FUU

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[ebon notch]

With Aug lmao

[royal python]

Isn't this flawed, cause without restealth you can't spread bleeds efficiently with carnage.

[royal lantern]

.......

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

Fight against them Tryan

[rotund oak]

DONT YOU WILL DESTROY THE CITY

[pulsar void]

hey guys anyone reason why outlaw simming higher than sin on patchwerk? I have bis trinks and weps at 522 and 50% mastery

[rotund oak]

idk but mastery looks low

can u post the simlink if its no problem?

[pulsar void]

oh okay what is a good number to aim for?

[rotund oak]

there are no specific numbers,just favor mastery a bit more

always simming is the best answer

kinda curious if u dont mind that sim

but fyi outlaw does sim higher in general

[true condor]

the most cringe moment is like, u can do 300k+ without PI, but the priest doesnt want to give u a PI to make u 500k

[grim jay]

There is a flaw in that

[dark token]

I've seen 1m log no aug

[pulsar void]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iWdTUNkbQgqrnuggwMr77c

[dark token]

Casters are not balanced

[pulsar void]

im dumb my mastery is at 45%

[dark token]

Enable your buffs mate why sim so low

[rotund oak]

you have no buffs enabled brother

also idk about those gems

and the embelishments kinda sus

sin kinda favors BSL

[pulsar void]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nEuvHTGCyQFcme7jZxfY25

[dark token]

Why simming hectic add cleave

[pulsar void]

yeah I used up my crafts for Outlaw but trying to see if Sin was better

[dark token]

Just sim patchwerk

Or dslice for keys

[pulsar void]

Im stupid man

[rotund oak]

HAC is very bad sim

[ebon notch]

link

[pulsar void]

give me a sec

[rotund oak]

i think u arent rly built for sin this way

very confusing

[pulsar void]

yeah its just the gear I have right now - was trying to see if I should stick to outlaw or go sin with what I have / upgrade etc

[hexed willow]

Honestly you can sin with what you have and be ok

[rotund oak]

should try simming double BSL

[hexed willow]

The rotations matters more than the gear if you have a strong on use stat trinket (relatively)

[rotund oak]

i think everything matters but ye,cant agree more^^

[dark token]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/N1gDYr8XHPTChvbm#fight=16&type=damage-done

[dark token]

Put a helm enchant on mate

[ebon notch]

ok fair enough

[dark token]

You are forcing shadowflame wreathe on ur weapon cause no helm enchant

[ebon notch]

he's playing with an outlaw rogue though

[pulsar void]

yeah dont have helm enchant bro - I only started playing last week after season 1

[spice surge]

Then do some amirdrassil and get it

[junior aurora]

yeah one clear this week and youll get it

its the current raid

[pulsar void]

Oh really? thought you need to do it for like 5 weeks or sometrhing? we are on h fyrakk - will kill on monday

[junior aurora]

did you get the quest

each boss should be dropping a ton of the shards now with all the catchup in

[ebon notch]

can farm different difficulties to get it

i.e. lfr/normal

[pulsar void]

Awesome will get onto it 😄

I didnt even know there was a quest haha I am 4 ephemera away

[junior aurora]

yeah thats 1 boss kill

so once you down fyrakk youll get it

[pulsar void]

🙂 thanks for the help guys!

if I recraft my belt to have BSL and change all gems and enchats to have mastery crit I am still simming 7k higher at outlaw on patchwork - so I gues sI will stick to Outlaw till I get another spark

just got the head enchant

😄

[royal lantern]

reminder

sims are not reality

and assa always tend to sim lower

meanwhile outlaw sees close to 0 "serious" raid gameplay

cus sim dps is not what makes something good or bad or whatever in raids

[primal jolt]

therefore we should all play affliction because it can move without much punishment

[pulsar void]

haha my fingers start to hurt with outlaw and I got lucky with ashes, betrayers and fang in last h raid so I was like okay lets try sin