assassination

[balmy condor]

[royal python]

any idea whether it will be fixed n when

[earnest timber]

🔮

[balmy condor]

It will be fixed, no clue when

[timber moss]

is raidbots simming set pieces correctly because it shows downgrade for all pieces

[balmy condor]

do you have the season 3 set bonus equipped?

[timber moss]

yes

[balmy condor]

makes sense then right

equipping a season 4 item would break your season 3 set bonus

which would be a massive dps loss

I'm guessing your helmet isn't a tier helmet, which is probably why the catalysted helmet here is an upgrade

since that's just item level

but the other 4 slots are giga shit because it would break the bonus

[timber moss]

how about if I sim gear compare with all 4 new pieces or doesnt it add set bonus with that

[fierce sigil]

Hey guys!
I See a lot of assa Rogues Playing bleed Build this id.
Is it the best Build we have or What is the reason?
And do i Need more haste for bleed Build or Are my best Stats still crit and Mastery then?

[distant ridge]

for stats,, sim yourself

[trail tree]

bleed build as in ct + demise?

[distant ridge]

for build, it all depends honestly on your goal on a m+

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[trail tree]

i havent used bleed build then myself but i can see it being decent in some dungeons, i just hate it personally

[balmy condor]

that's a bit weirder for sure, but I would expect if the bonus doesn't work on the gear then you would be losing a lot more than 5k dps, can you link that sim real quick I'll look into it

[balmy condor]

bleed build is kinda agreed upon as the best for anything under like a +27/+28 last season (whatever that means this season)

[timber moss]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oYmpkWNHVjwA2DTcgq9YU3

[balmy condor]

nothing major changes stat/rotation wise for it

[vestal wren]

chest does not show awakened in the tooltip, so likely only with one tier set bonus

[timber moss]

oh thats true

[balmy condor]

yeh

that's the wrong lurking specter

so that's 3 piece + 1 piece from season 2

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vJb8Wo6XiQ4HREAfQ1deUo I reran the thing with the awakened

looks a lot better

[timber moss]

Yeah that solved the problem 😛

thank you

[balmy condor]

np

[desert mulch]

Is it worth to unequip s3 4pc for higher ilvl loot? No tier, just better items

[balmy condor]

not even remotely

[desert mulch]

word. worth once 2pc? or wait for the full 4

[balmy condor]

generally will want to wait until you get the full new 4pc

2+2 would just be the same bonus

so the item level on the new 2 pieces alone would have to outweigh all the damage gained from the 4pc bonus

which is insurmountable

[distant ridge]

Hi im seeing on this page that flaring cowl is leading on sims. on the BSL part, it counts as 1x Bsl or 2x?

[fleet coral]

2x bsl is worth i'm planning this

imo of course

[rotund oak]

Love those fancy words

[balmy condor]

1.6% sounds like the value of 1 of them

[distant ridge]

so 2x bsl is gapping cowl

[balmy condor]

well that's not really the comparison

the comparison is 2x bsl vs 1 bsl 1 cowl

[distant ridge]

Do you think its worth going 1 cowl 1 bsl

[balmy condor]

no

[distant ridge]

with diurna ring?

[frank ingot]

do you even run 1 bsl 1 cowl, i thought you would run 1 cowl 1 shadowflame

[balmy condor]

what

you run double bsl

[distant ridge]

Gotchu

[dark token]

Whispyr is simming bsl at like 55% uptime tho

It's probably one shadowflame or cowl at least in raid if you sim at 40% uptime

[trail tree]

double bsl + shadowflame wreathe for maximum cook

[spice surge]

The enchant sucks ass

[trail tree]

true but still doesnt stop us from cooking up something truly awful

[fleet coral]

if u can't sustain conditions of bsl :p

[balmy condor]

you definitely can

[fleet coral]

yep ik but maybe someone can't xD

[trail tree]

i think on average i had like 35-40% uptime on bsl on fyrakk prog when i used it

so it seems doable on fights without constant damage ticking away

or just dont take damage

[balmy condor]

35% is kinda the low end for constant ticking fights

smolderon is similar

35% is pretty unlucky

40% is kinda the average

[earnest remnant]

couldnt be me having 18% on our fyrakk prog kill

[balmy condor]

but bsl is well ahead at 40%

so

[earnest remnant]

[balmy condor]

I mean fuu's spreadsheet got linked earlier

that screenshot from kage is at 40%

[fleet coral]

any case scenario

[balmy condor]

and it's ahead 0.6% to a cowl

so

[fleet coral]

double bsl seems best

[balmy condor]

if you super hate bsl go for it

I'm not gonna stop you

[earnest remnant]

2x bsl is also just bis

[balmy condor]

but it would be stupid to write it off

[earnest remnant]

cuz it allows you to press N

and spec sub as well

so 10/10

[fleet coral]

:p

bunches of mastery

which rogue hates mastery also work all of 2 specs

[balmy condor]

there's just so many issues with cowl with the range, the lack of aoe scaling, not being able to swap specs, its a tier slot on top of that

fucking nightmare of an item

[trail tree]

taking bsl is a nobrainer imo

[balmy condor]

just run 2x BSL and if you open a log and you're at like 30% or whatever, unlucky go next

who cares

[trail tree]

yeah just livelog and refresh during pull if low end then just grief so you try again

thats what i would do

[balmy condor]

okay well

that's fucking cringe

but sure

[spice surge]

"thats why im not rank 1"

[trail tree]

unethical moment

[balmy condor]

yes of course

you lost 200 dps on an embellishment

that's why you didn't parse

[spice surge]

[fleet coral]

do you guys think embellishes affects dps that much ?

my best on tindral without embellish :p forgot to wear

[balmy condor]

I mean both embellishment slots combined is around 3%

versus not having any embellishment

so I would say probably doesn't matter

it's free and you should have it

but anything less than like 5% isn't really that huge

[fleet coral]

okay %3 really serious percent

i tought smth like %0.5

[balmy condor]

3% being "really serious"

[trail tree]

relatively 3% could be alot if the absolute is low enough

but thats neither here nor there

[balmy condor]

what does that even mean

[spice surge]

The absolute riot the 3% nerf caused

[neon oxide]

that was the most non-sentence sentence ive ever read

[trail tree]

exactly

[fleet coral]

Bruw %3 is a good number :p

[neon oxide]

3% is realistically an average trinket

[fleet coral]

nope just thinking like droptimizer so if it shows %3 upgrade it probably my audit loot

[balmy condor]

I mean idk bout that one

trinkets are way more than 3%

some effects can be 3%

but trinket effects swing pretty wildly in impact

[fleet coral]

it makes difference same as what mastery impacts you basically

[balmy condor]

idk what that means either

why are we just saying words

[fleet coral]

cuz don't want somebody use cowl 😦

[royal lantern]

mindless yapping is my thing

[balmy condor]

I mean yeh, cowl sucks

we all agree on that

[trail tree]

not me crafting cowl last season for fun

[fleet coral]

now time to real question

bigger than embellishes

i missed doti dagger this week

[balmy condor]

[fleet coral]

so hc doti dagger

[balmy condor]

but the dagger is smaller than an embellishment

[fleet coral]

still worths against any hc dagger

[neon oxide]

I aint farming no stupid timestrike dagger

[shrewd night]

Cheat code: Get myth track dagger

[trail tree]

#tc-research

[fleet coral]

not the damage , importance

[balmy condor]

not the damage, importance

what is the unit of measurement for importance

[spice surge]

cm or inches

From what ive heard

[balmy condor]

I thought you measured in cubic meters eleem

[spice surge]

I do not have big hands

[royal lantern]

silly shien

you open consol commands first

[trail tree]

cubic literage of plasma is my go to

[royal lantern]

in WoW?

feels

[balmy condor]

dagger is worth around 2.7 atmospheric pressures per fortnight deciliters

[misty holly]

Dude my Drogbar Rocks does more than 3% lol

[fleet coral]

how hard to get :p

[misty holly]

Pretty sure that is like basement trinket level

[fleet coral]

😦

[spice surge]

My mistake, clearly fortnite centiliters are the superior measurements

[balmy condor]

okay so you're taking about acquisition, not importance

cause those are two seperate things

[shrewd night]

Tryan puts "Hot" in "Psychotic"

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

thats the first time somebody called me Hot

[balmy condor]

well yeah, you play a rogue

it's usually a dot

not a hot

[fleet coral]

so what about crimson vial

hot 4 secs

[grim tree]

Best spec for raid this season?

[balmy condor]

probably still sub

depending on the fight maybe outlaw if you have all the items with the funny green words

[royal lantern]

good old outlaw word scaling

[balmy condor]

every spec in the game is ilvl > secondary

outlaw is words per item > ilvl > secondary

[royal lantern]

easier to digest

for the normal ADHD outlaw player

dont even need to look at the number on the item and think if the number is bigger or smaller

huge text box = its BiS

whats inside? who cares

[spice surge]

Kurog as sub is not particularly fun

When people are going ham 2 target cleaving im like "heh my sectech cleaves sometimes 🙂 "

[royal lantern]

*sub is not particularly fun

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean there's what, 26? 27? raid fights this season, there's bound to be some stinky ones

[spice surge]

Ye

[balmy condor]

kinda impossible to be good at EVERY fight when it's a whole expansions worth of raid bosses

[royal lantern]

"a wild ret paladin appears"

[balmy condor]

I thought they sucked in aberrus

but I could be wrong

aberrus was full of augmentation nonsense

and that's kinda all I remember

[royal lantern]

"we release it and monitor its performance carefully so it doesnt become opresive"

released, max key level done goes up by 2 levels on every dungeon not even 24hours later, in 1 week more aug logs on mythic sark then all 3 rogue specs combined

[ivory flower]

Toxic embelish not available in s4 ?

[balmy condor]

it is

[vestal wren]

s3 = s4 in terms of embellishments.
2x silken is probably best for sin/sub
switching one to shadowflame or using cowl can be decent (tho not sure why you would use cowl)
1x toxic patch + 1x toxic boots is still a good option for multi-spec (but can also just silken + shadowflame)

[ivory flower]

So why dont we play it? , i play With acro in m+ and fire embellish doesnt really suit. I dont like the Mastery embellish too

[vestal wren]

then go for toxic boots + toxified patch?

its not a terrible option

[ivory flower]

I thought it got nerfed

[vestal wren]

it was nerfed in s3

[ivory flower]

Thats why I was askin

[vestal wren]

but they nefed almost all embellishments

[ivory flower]

OK so i can Still run it thx

[vestal wren]

cowl/shadowflame are only rly good with eranog ring

[ivory flower]

Yup but With acro it seems bad nah?

[vestal wren]

tho feel free to sim it, you can just use the pinned files from #tc-research for easy copy/paste to top gear

you will sacrafice some damage to get acro

not the worse deal

[balmy condor]

toxic boots kinda suck

just play double lining

like yes all the embellishments got nerfed

but there's still better

[ivory flower]

I played until +27 with

We just suffer on boss

[balmy condor]

but blue silk lining is better for single target

[vestal wren]

silken has rly high uptime in m+ usually

higher than the 40% baseline

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[vestal wren]

most of the time like 60%+

the sim has it on 40%, and it is even with that the stronger choice

whispyr is correct, the logically best option is silken

disliking the embellishment is however a fair reason to play something else
(it is just a small damage loss compared)

[balmy condor]

Other thing with toxic thorn boots

Is that it’s not free

You lose stamina

Usually not an issue, but also kind of an issue especially in high m+ keys where things just one shot

[ivory flower]

Ill go silken so, little question if I have an agi/mast buff does it procs on the currents bleeds and poisons That I applied before gettin that buff, or do I need to reapply it during the buff duration

I think I dont need to reapply it but maybe im wrong

[royal lantern]

99% of dmg changes are dynamic

aka, if you get more stats, they just do more dmg

[spice surge]

Whenever a debuff ticks it checks your mastery at the exact time it ticks, so reapplying wont change anything

[subtle tundra]

i am benched from every boss except eranog and council 💀

[dark token]

Assa things

Ur playing lowest DPS spec in the game that's also bugged to do less dmg

Cost of being a one trick

Would be cool if blizz buffed/hotfixed bug tho

[subtle tundra]

i'd learn sub but i just dont enjoy wow enough to spend the time learning

[dark token]

yeah fair enough, I'm the same with outlaw

Outlaw is looking better for council/kurog definitely

Prob some other bosses too

[vestal wren]

can wait for tww, might be a nice xpac

[subtle tundra]

i still have to play this season

[dark token]

But I cba relearning outlaw for fated especially when I have a 522 sub weapon and a 489 outlaw weapon

[subtle tundra]

🙂

[ivory flower]

I read above that some sin's abilities are bugged. Wich ?

Sanguines blades only?

[fringe oxide]

Check the pins and click on them

[ivory flower]

I did

Im on phone

Maybe thats why I cant see correctly

[fringe oxide]

Caustic spatter and timestrike are also bugged

[ivory flower]

Oh fun

[fringe oxide]

It is, I have to click on the pin to get all the info attached to it.

[fringe oxide]

#assassination message

This should work as well

[hexed willow]

I guess it’s time to relearn outlaw for a lil bit

[spice spire]

Batman couldn’t beat that outta me

[subtle tundra]

id rather cbt

[spice surge]

Waterboarding sounds cool too

[hexed willow]

I’ve heard you get stronger by suffering

[spice spire]

Gods tried to tell me I’m his strongest soldier. Told that mf to leave me alone

[thin gate]

we want nick of time 1 x and any high ilvl main hand dagger right?

nick of time only bis as offhand for m+`?

[ivory flower]

Big thanks

[spice spire]

Yes. But timestrike isn’t scaling right rn

[thin gate]

yh i heard about that, talkin bout in general

[cyan surge]

I'd take dreamcarver for the utility.

[thin gate]

what about sarkareth daggers?

aint they juicy

stat wise and i think +3 ilvl

[gusty mirage]

they don't have the ilvl bonus anymore

cause of the change with s3

the bonus ilvl from last bosses only applies to the rare drops

think augury vs pants from fyrakk

[cyan surge]

Lol one day I'll have 30% leech

[thin gate]

guys

how good is HOI trinket?

for M+ if u have big pulls

shouldnt caustic (when it works again) obliterate the pack?

[gusty mirage]

it's okay, nothing great but then again the rest of the mythic plus trinkets are kinda dogshit

there was an issue with it over simming in season 2 because it wasn't deducting stacks properly (mutilate counts as 2 spells), but even then it was definitely serviceable

idk if that ever got fixed either

fuu might know

@vestal wren did the fragment ever get fixed for assa

now we wait

[thin gate]

i mean even if not, i dont like beacon n boon so hteres just ashes nelth and other stat trinkets for me

wanna meme around with big kingsbane hits

[weary vale]

So if I have Erranog ring, is it rly worth it to go shadowflame embellishment over double blue silken lining. i simmed it and shadowflame sims lower. do i just run ring without proccing it cause of stats

[thin gate]

someone stated 3rd rade helm enchant proc is enough

raid*

[gusty mirage]

ye it'll be solid either way cause like you said our options are pretty shit

plus probably some hidden tech no one's tried and we can't really sim cuz it was kinda broken lmao

[thin gate]

time will tell i guess

[weary vale]

what enchant?

[thin gate]

you know 3rd raid the igira helmet enchant

[gusty mirage]

helm enchant should cover most of the proccing you need, and try simming at dif BSL uptimes in the settings and see if it's still a clear winner

p sure bsl still wins at like 45% uptime

which is below the average

[thin gate]

o.w i think it was whispyr who tagged it, that if u meme anyway cuz most embellishments are underwhelming u can go for flaring cowl

and he said blue line silking stack wins if 41% uptime or sum like that

[gusty mirage]

ye sounds about right

[weary vale]

ahhh okay got it. was that enchant to buy or did it drop, i cant remember

[gusty mirage]

even on fyrakk I was clearing 40%

[thin gate]

u had a quest

when u kill 2nd boss talk to that woman inside

[gusty mirage]

ye it was some dumb ass quest that you needed to kill specific bosses

[thin gate]

she tells u to collect fragments from killing bosses

[weary vale]

i simmed it with cowl too, was even worse than shadowflame embellishment

[gusty mirage]

and collect motes from boss kills

[thin gate]

but cowl haste haste mastery 😄

kingsbane kingsbane

i mean its fated

just meme around have fun for a couple of months

[gusty mirage]

does cowl break your tier set?

that might be why

cause cowl's always been pretty decent

[weary vale]

oh yeah true, i didnt think of that. cheers mate

[gusty mirage]

did they fix rogue yet

or am I still a ret paladin

[dark token]

Sub or outlaw aren't broken I think

[neat plank]

lol poor ass rogues, bad sims and then bugs on top of that

like beating up a homeless guy

[thin gate]

i think they fixed some, and some buggs are still persisting

maybe they will fix pre the war within

[dark token]

Screwed by PI, screwed by blizz balance team, screwed by blizz bug team

Sin life is depressing

I wanted to play it on kurog

Now I'm prob gonna have to practice outlaw

[thin gate]

blizzard "fated should be fun" also blizzard "lets troll rogues, while handing all melee classes a free legy"

[gusty mirage]

terrific

now they'll make me play rogue and won't let me bring my pally

[dark token]

I mean

Ret will probably out dmg rogue

[weary vale]

so i adjusted that and now cowl + 1 silken lining sims a lot better than what i have now

[gusty mirage]

yeah are we gonna address how fucking broken ret is

or is that just acceptable now

[digital venture]

Why is the dungeon slice build fuu just posted in the #tc-research different from the ones in wow head for sin?

[gusty mirage]

because fuu is simming for best possible dps

if you drop iron wire in mythic plus as assa you're actually inting

[digital venture]

I didn't notice there was no wire. Just noticed there was CT and no Aoe shiv

[tall jay]

whispyr, we still broken?

[gusty mirage]

emotionally? yes

[tall jay]

lol,

[indigo ginkgo]

so we still bugeed ?

[gusty mirage]

ye afaik sanguine blades and spatter are still bugged

[indigo ginkgo]

god dammit ! wtf are those people at blizzard doing ! like we where on top of dps !
thanks

[void gazelle]

We are rock bottom

[wicked valve]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-gif-10166522

[tall jay]

so what spec should we be playing if we are broken

[normal mist]

I'm crying with you Rogue brother

[gusty mirage]

outlaw/sub are fine

assa is kinda also fine, just doing less dps

I also have no clue how the raid tuning is cause I'm not raiding this tier so take that with a grain of salt

[indigo ginkgo]

wow went to see the statistics, we are way way down !

[gusty mirage]

yeah I mean assa was doing 40% less damage the first night of the tier, and was still bugged yesterday and today

I'd be worried if assa wasn't way down

[wicked valve]

I've been having a surprising amount of fun on Outlaw in M+ these last few weeks. Might try it in raid as well.

[steel ridge]

is 1 shadowflame embellishent + head enchant enough to reliably proc the eranog ring?

[fierce sigil]

Afaik Helm Enchant alone is enough

[gusty mirage]

ye helm enchant will take care of most of the dps you'll get out of the ring

can use shadowflame to kinda "shore it up" if that makes sense

[fleet coral]

in the other hand cataclysmic signet is + for ring

[steel ridge]

the trinket does suck most of the time tho

[fleet coral]

just as a plus proc not alone

[somber sparrow]

it's ok for other classes and specs to be overperforming, but not assassination rogues, ever. It's in the fine print

[gusty mirage]

I figured

because what the fuck is ret man

[sinful island]

is Irideus fragment still a sim bait like in S1?

[eternal heath]

I thought I saw earlier this morning (or last night) that Whisp was saying fragment is dogshit

Oh yeah here

[gusty mirage]

I mean it works in a similar fashion to ashes lol

[hexed willow]

Wait why do we have irideus? Its just big stat gains

[gusty mirage]

Because it’s not great

and it oversims because mutilate counts as 2 spells so you lose 2 stacks everytime you mutilate

[hexed willow]

Or is it just based on our biggest KB spike is towards the end of when it’s being used which is the lowest actual stat gain

[gusty mirage]

vs 1 for every other spec in the game

[subtle tundra]

So does ashes and we like ashes

[hexed willow]

Isn’t ashes suooosed to be delayed 3s so it doesn’t do that?

Just going based on memory

[gusty mirage]

I mean it still gives less agility as the buff "burns"

[subtle tundra]

You can apply the same logic to fragment

[gusty mirage]

it's just fragment is 3min

and oversims

so

[subtle tundra]

And it's still bad cause it's bugged

[subtle tundra]

I didn't know that!

[royal lantern]

forgot "screwed by balacing the entire dmg around a single ability and beeing legit worthless outside of it"

[gusty mirage]

ye cringe trinket cd

[thorn fjord]

Ah doom in the sin channel

Like coming home for Christmas

[royal lantern]

i also learned today that you lose a stack for using a potion

[gusty mirage]

ye its a "spell"

[royal lantern]

using a pot togheter with your cd's?

fuck you, 1 stack gone

[gusty mirage]

funny thing is people are quick to call it a shit trinket

but if it was 2 minutes

it'd be a viable alternative to ashes

:3

[royal lantern]

yeha, but it isnt

:3

[gusty mirage]

I already emailed Ion

so I can make this season worse for all of you

[royal lantern]

abusing orange name power again smh my head

[vestal wren]

don't think so

[gusty mirage]

oh well

not even worth fixing anymore

[open marlin]

!whispyr

[vestal wren]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[open marlin]

ty

[vestal wren]

someone earlier did mention that it might consume 2 stacks with mut

also it does lose stacks on casts like combat potion

it seems fine on subtlety, because most of your damage is in secret and you just use it before or slightly after the initial secret hit

[gusty mirage]

it's not might, it 100% does

[vestal wren]

ashes + torch club i guess

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

bugged in sims + 3 min cd

unfort

[neat plank]

i refuse to use damage that doesnt come from the rogue. torch or that annoying wind trinket

i wanna stab, i'm not a mage

[gusty mirage]

just do what I did in s1

push grieftorch and queue an ability in the spellqueue window so it only ticks once

and just be sad

[eternal heath]

lmao

[neat plank]

I did that today actually, but not on purpose

[eternal heath]

Putting the grief in grieftorch

[gusty mirage]

oh I didn't do it on purpose either

but I did it often enough where I was just sad all of season 1

[neat plank]

I also had 2 parried Kingsbanes today

[gusty mirage]

[eternal heath]

What about the guy in here that farmed like 125 HoV for hunger

[gusty mirage]

that person is mentally ill

[eternal heath]

Actually that might've been outlaw

[eternal heath]

Nice expertise cap!

[gusty mirage]

so they are mentally ill

[eternal heath]

I tried outlaw s2 after playing it a fair bit s1. Just too much shit and single target felt real bad to play

[eager holly]

I have been playing assa since season 1, I was able to get 3461 io Season 3 only on pugs, now I tried play outlaw for the first time, man that spec is a shit show, I hated so much, going back to assa now, better to have fun than play with a shit spec only because it's "meta".

[spice surge]

Dont play it if you dont like it

[eager holly]

Yeah, I learned my lesson

[vestal wren]

did you try sub?

[eternal heath]

sec tech was fun when I was trying that out in s1

big purple pop

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[vestal wren]

sub with dark brew is fun, also not as complicated

[eager holly]

yeah, It's ok sub, but it's hard to play on pugs, with tanks pulling 3 by 3 adds haha

[vestal wren]

oh yes, thats a classic

[fleet coral]

only thing i like about sub was smoldy

[royal lantern]

and if they pull big they just die halfway trought

[gray horizon]

Other rogue in my guild got 522 nick of time yesterday, AMA

[regal crest]

How does it feel to not be other rogue

[silk bane]

How’s your mental now?

[gray horizon]

prepared to ride the bench

[digital venture]

Gtz dude. I was struggling cuz I was constantly getting 3rd in overall by most classes and tried outlaw and even though I was performing a bit better (overall) I don't enjoy it as much as well

[vestal wren]

did you congrat him?

[gray horizon]

i did

it even has LEECH

[gilded oasis]

wtf

[gusty mirage]

lmao ur mad

[spice spire]

Tell that fraud

[gilded oasis]

yeah all ive gotten is a shitty fish and a belt

whats a 522 from tho

[silk bane]

^^yall are getting gear? I have like 8 legs and a puzzle box so far….

[vestal wren]

i got a puzzle box and the heroic mastery/vers belt so far

doing 8 keys and normal/heroic

[spice spire]

Only thing I’m getting is that bread

[eternal heath]

my devo has gotten like 5 weapons 🫠

[gilded oasis]

stale bread

[silk bane]

Quake on his hustle arc. Real

[spice spire]

Bro why are you such a hater

[spice spire]

That’s a bit ago

[gilded oasis]

its my love language

[eternal heath]

quake always hustling

[spice spire]

During the pandemic the nightmares kept me awake 22 hours a day. So I kinda grustled the fuck out of it

[spice spire]

Twinsies

[neat plank]

nightmares about what

[gilded oasis]

Oxi

[spice spire]

Work stuff

Death etc. was a lot for a couple of years

[gilded oasis]

[spice spire]

Ye

Is what it is

[vestal wren]

hope you are doing fine now

[spice spire]

Therapy + friends (irl and online homies) have helped a bit. Thanks guys

Either way

[gilded oasis]

therapy is a banger

[spice spire]

Don’t do that to yourself.

[spice spire]

Banger? I knew her but we didn’t have that kind of relationship big dog

[gilded oasis]

[gusty mirage]

is that why you never hate on me?

[gilded oasis]

I hate on you when you arent around

[gilded oasis]

2spoky4me

[gusty mirage]

quake got the access to the secret stickers and emotes

[spice spire]

Only one emote on my mind

[gilded oasis]

oh wrong one

[royal lantern]

#1231592737221120152 breach

im calling the mods

@spice spire do something

[gusty mirage]

[tawny pike]

Do we know which spec is the ||best||?

[gusty mirage]

in keys, outlaw, in raid probably still sub

[tawny pike]

ty

[spice spire]

Won’t know 100% until bugs fixed. But it definitely seems like it’s not sin

[spice spire]

Doing ur pops

[royal lantern]

rogue in the last 4000 years now

[gusty mirage]

yo hear me out

how about in tww

they don't nerf the fuck out of assassination 2 weeks into the first tier

for the 6th expac in a row

[spice spire]

Crazy

[royal lantern]

its strong for 2 weekss and then gets nerfed into oblivion, and sub gets ignored while doing the same dmg? gotcha

[subtle tundra]

blizz just gets a hate boner whenever assa is good

so they nerf it

cant get horny on the job

[gusty mirage]

sub would get nerfed too if its playerbase ever hit triple digits

unfort

[royal lantern]

would help if they actually fix sub

[patent vessel]

meanwhile everyone's like "just play outlaw haha!"

[gilded oasis]

i played a sub key last night i was bad

[royal lantern]

instead of giving it high numbers and call it a day

[gusty mirage]

sub's fine

it just need shadowdust to go away

[patent vessel]

i really liked s1 sub

[gusty mirage]

and a bufferoo to black powder

[patent vessel]

s3 sub is not it

[gusty mirage]

so it doesn't hit like a wet noodle

[subtle tundra]

i dont give a shit if the other specs are good, i want assa to not be dog

[spice spire]

Bark bark

[gusty mirage]

sorry, instructions unclear, kingsbane now makes you bark like a dog (this is a buff)

[royal lantern]

closets we ever get to quake meowing

[subtle tundra]

sorry im a meower

meow

[gilded oasis]

can you send me a voice clip of you woofing so I cns use it on a macro

[gusty mirage]

no

hearing my voice is a privilege

[spice spire]

LMFAO NO

Hearing my voice is a curse

[gilded oasis]

haters

[royal lantern]

just send a clip of george barking then

[gusty mirage]

it's why I play copyright music in all my streams

so twitch automatically mutes the entire vod

[patent vessel]

feels like current rogue dev has been playing too much FF and wants the 2min meta here

[gusty mirage]

I mean asassination's been a 2minute spec for like ever

[spice spire]

There are a lot of clips of him barking

[royal lantern]

wow always slowly turns into a "most dmg during burst and outside of that you do nothing" meta for most specs

we had that multiple times now

and then they revert it after 3-4 expansions, bigbrains start crying "omg my cd's dont do dmg" and it starts again

[gusty mirage]

then people complain its boring outside of CDs, so we swap over to more consistent damage, then people complain that there isn't enough fun burst, then we repeat the cycle

[thorny rain]

are we still needing PI to keep pace with Sub and Outlaw?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[royal lantern]

except you dont get Pi

[thorny rain]

fun...

[royal lantern]

[gusty mirage]

[patent vessel]

people are apes

[gusty mirage]

but its okay guys

[royal lantern]

you need Pi to still be worse then outlaw/sub

🙂

[gusty mirage]

I was told that they don't balance around externals

[thorny rain]

lol true

[gusty mirage]

when the assassination nerfs in s3 were blatantly based around PI

[royal lantern]

biggest crime in the world

they made me agree with warlocks

[patent vessel]

PI sucks

[gusty mirage]

I mean 9.1 demo lock is the primary example

[patent vessel]

just get rid of the fucking twins of the sun priestess talent

and rebalance

[gusty mirage]

it was worse for them though, they were actually unplayable without PI

lmao

[patent vessel]

wow! so hard to do

[spice spire]

9.1 demo

[royal lantern]

make it a fucking personal

thats it

disc would be happy

[gusty mirage]

everyone would be happy

[royal lantern]

holy is w/e with Pi anyway, make it a mastery boost for them

shadow is a personal anyway

[gusty mirage]

remember when people voted to remove PI

and they doubled down on it in DF?

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

"We all hate this"

[spice spire]

Yes

[royal lantern]

mate, i allready cant belive that they actually went back on oracle and changed it lol

[gusty mirage]

"OKAY BASELINE PRIESTESS LEGGO"

[patent vessel]

thats what im saying lmao

[thorny rain]

I wnanna play sin but wont get PI in my guild and we hjave another rogue (sub) and I dont wanna look like shit lol

[royal lantern]

i fully expected for the future of priest to be oracle BS forever lol

[gusty mirage]

"That doesn't solve anything"

[patent vessel]

it should be personal

[gusty mirage]

"don't worry we don't balance around externals"

[azure osprey]

hello guys, which M+ build should i be running? kinda confused from wowhead lmao

[royal lantern]

gives priest twinsuns, which does fuckall cus the moments where a disc/holy wants Pi for themself and when a dps wants it are NEVER the same

[gusty mirage]

balacing around externals, based on heroic raid data, which is littered with mythic raiders farming last bits of gear/parses

[royal lantern]

and shadow PI is cursed for the guy cus shadow is balanced around PI as a personal

[gusty mirage]

[royal lantern]

10/10 thought process there blizz

[bright turret]

funny how being balanced around heroic probably won't apply to sub

[royal lantern]

i know nobody that hates Pi more then priest players themself

and then you get told by blizzard and redditors/forum users that never entered a frking LFD normal dungeon how its CORE FANTASY OF THE CLASS and PEAK GAMEPLAY

[royal lantern]

cus nobody plays sub

NOBODY

the spec plays like dogshit

so nobody plays it in heroic

[gusty mirage]

it literally plays fine

[royal lantern]

people only play it on mythic cus its OP

[gusty mirage]

where does everyone come up with it plays like shit

[eternal heath]

people still play outlaw tho

[bright turret]

plenty of people play sub now

[royal lantern]

dust

[gusty mirage]

I mean that's not sub playing like shit

they made dance windows matter more

they just need to do something about multiple vanish charges and it fixes dust too

s1/s2 sub were fucking dogshit

lingering shadows was the worst thing to ever happen to sub

[patent vessel]

i liked s1 sub

[royal lantern]

s1/s2 dust was BM levels of braindead in some cases

[gusty mirage]

the fact that 30% of your damage came from pushing gloomblade

it was bad

[royal lantern]

(dont tell that #subtlety cus they always tell you it needs a PHD to function)

single target gloomblade

aoe 2 buttons

[gusty mirage]

new talent tree is great

dust problem gets solved by removing 1 vanish charge

suddenly it's not overly convoluted

[royal lantern]

lets be honest, they aint gonna change shit there lol

[gusty mirage]

dw they'll just nerf assa again

because it's strong in like LFR or something

[bright turret]

my hot take is having 2 big CDs but with different CDs is weird and bad

[royal lantern]

they couldnt even be bothered giving rogue all its hero trees

or ANNOUNCED THEM

they announced multiple tree reworks before even saying that rogue hero trees are comming

[gusty mirage]

that's not even a lukewarm take

[royal lantern]

rogue will be half assed again in TWW lol

[gusty mirage]

flag being 1.5 and blades being 2 is fucking stupid

[gilded oasis]

sin rogue actually deleted in tww

[bright turret]

yea that + dust just makes the spec annoying to me, having to make a spreadsheet to minmax every boss

i dont want my brain to be wrinkly

[gusty mirage]

and if you get the god pull where everyone's proccing

[eternal heath]

being turned into a ranged spec, 30 yards :^)

[royal lantern]

cant wait for TWW to launch with 0 changes to the class, and then get told "yeha sorry, cant do bigger changes during the expansion" again

[gusty mirage]

and suddenly your boss kill is 30s faster

unlucky

all that optimization for nothing

[bright turret]

well dust is too powerful, so I'll be surprised if it survives

moving CDs around is too strong

[gilded oasis]

oxi which of the 12 m+ specs on wowhead should I play for sub

[vestal wren]

i do like 2 vanish charges

[gusty mirage]

I do too, but the problem with 2 vanish charges is now that dust is a mainstay

it makes non-dust vanish feel kinda pointless

[royal lantern]

then delete dust if you want double vanish

[vestal wren]

sub always had some details that did not end up intuitive

[gusty mirage]

moving away from lingering was an insanely good change

refocusing damage on dance windows 11 out of 10

[vestal wren]

dust is easy to fix

no need to do any vanish charge change

[gusty mirage]

if they make flag a 2min cd

it fixes everything tbh

[vestal wren]

just make flag 2 min cd

yep

or remove flag

same

[gusty mirage]

or nerf it and make it a 1minute cd

[royal lantern]

remove sblades

better idea tbh

[vestal wren]

1 min flag would work too

[bright turret]

sub having a real CD in the new sblades is nice though

[gusty mirage]

no we like having a better dreadblades because it makes the pirates sad, and that's always a win

[royal lantern]

it was a joke

[bright turret]

just need flag and blades to actually line up

[vestal wren]

i mean funnily enough

my suggestion was even

to put a 3rd vanish charge instead of rotten

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/doberman-gif-24154865

[severe oyster]

And aug voker

[gusty mirage]

TRUE

and PI

[royal lantern]

and pi

[gusty mirage]

god we need to rename this channel to #based

[bright turret]

"remove PI pls" "what if we made an entire spec that was PI?"

[royal lantern]

aug would be fine if they actually made it like Dancer in FF14

and not the abomination it is rn

you know, doing slightly less dmg then a normal dps and buffing somebody else a bit

instead of "lol, you do 0 dmg yourself and make 4 people broken + unique utility lol"

[eternal heath]

yes pls let me pug as devo in peace

[severe oyster]

Speaking of that, I need to do keys on my devo at some point this week.

[royal lantern]

man, imagine rolling evoker when DF started cus you thought

"cool, can do dmg as a fire breathing dragon" or "can do a unqiue healing style that is actually well developed and plays fun"

and then after 1 1/2 patches blizzard comess and go

"fuck you, you cast sand clouds on people now that make them OP"

[vestal wren]

evoker was good in all patches

so think people who went evoker are happy

[royal lantern]

not really if they dont wanna play aug

which is many MANY people

[bright turret]

not a single one of the augs in my raid enjoyed playing it

[royal lantern]

ye

[bright turret]

only felt forced for mythic prog

and were begging to get off it for meme season

[severe oyster]

My only real complaint with evoker is aug and that's mainly because pugs in keys always think you need an aug. And we have so many terrible augs playing aug because bad.

[royal lantern]

like, raid augs is a revovilng door, every tier you have 2 people that say they stop playing evoker next tier cus they dont wanna stay aug

[vestal wren]

think you can view it 2 ways

#1 liking the potential to optimize

#2 (the majority) rerolled because of how fucking op it was and how easy high r.io score was and now complaining that they hate playing it

[royal lantern]

legit 7 people in the entire world actually do that lol

cus it doesnt even matter cus of how easy it is to be OP with aug lol

just slam shit on CD and buff the same 4 people all the time

ye, can minmax who you buff with fight timers and shit

but legit nobody does that

[vestal wren]

yes and literally every reroller who got high r.io

did tell me multiple times

how fun and gret avoker is

[bright turret]

its problems are more in the raid

[vestal wren]

then it got nerfed

[bright turret]

when minmax involves rotating the buff around

[vestal wren]

and suddenly people complain

[bright turret]

M+ it plays quite a bit better

raid is/was awful

[royal lantern]

you mean how dust sub went from patch start "no dust" as a role icon to people that joined in november 2023 telling you how it plays awesome?

if number high = plays good

if nerf = plays bad (even if its still strong)

[vestal wren]

think its diffrent

[spice surge]

Tbf that was mostly like 3 people constantly spamming how much they hate it, rather than everybody hating it

[vestal wren]

aug is fundermentally designed

around buffing other people

so it is what you signed up for

its funny tho, because we had people recently in this chat saying we should be thankful for augs because how terrible the spec plays

why do we argue that plying it is self harm in the first place

[wicked spire]

I'm guessing I need to hold out for S4 4set before swapping out any S3 tier right?

[vestal wren]

yes, tier set bonuses don't stack

[wicked spire]

thought so - ty

[vestal wren]

so sadly need to have the new 4p before switching

[severe oyster]

My evoker got screwed this week. I got a 380 green item from the weekly chest lol

[vestal wren]

[bright turret]

wasnt that hotfixed

thought i saw a blue post where people got mailed real gear, unless you arent referring to TW cache

[gilded oasis]

still waiting for my mail smile

[severe oyster]

Nah it was teh weekly quest to do the feast, dragonbane, and a hunt chest.

It happened last night.

TW chest was fine.

[vestal wren]

yes it was

[fathom wind]

what u guys think about this dagger any good or shit cos we lose the stats

[eternal heath]

Best bet would be asking the robot

[rotund oak]

How dare you

ask the robot

lul

[tepid glacier]

how is assa looking this season?

[gusty mirage]

the same as last season

[tepid glacier]

so still far behind outlaw or? played it a bit last season but it seemed hard to get damage off during chain pulls

[vestal wren]

in need of a small buff, but check the pin

[hexed willow]

#bugged

[vestal wren]

!sheet if you want simulations

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hexed willow]

Wtb reversion of 3% global nerf

[rotund oak]

cringe of time farming once again man

[royal lantern]

wtb a bug fix first

[tepid glacier]

bug fix end of ssn

[dark token]

I like how every other cool item you can buillion

Cringe of time they actually managed to make cringe all 3 seasons

Massive L from blizzard

[rotund oak]

yup but not this one

coz f@ck you rogues

thats why

[tepid glacier]

make a forum post and everyone complain about it

surely blizz will add it next reset

[subtle tundra]

honestly, they could nerf assa rn and i wouldnt even be mad about it

[hexed willow]

Ok you win I want a big fix first too

[subtle tundra]

cant go lower than last

[gusty mirage]

yes you can

[rotund oak]

im gonna play mage and hunter man

[hexed willow]

It can always go down

[rotund oak]

F this

[hexed willow]

But rogue is life

[rotund oak]

ye just not for pve

and since pvp im doing mage as well

rogue is sitting this out

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-leave-gif-5785321051025239919

[subtle tundra]

well if youre willing to swap specs to play whats op whats stopping you from going sub

[rotund oak]

YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO LOVE ME

[dark token]

[gusty mirage]

nah

[rotund oak]

😦

[hexed willow]

Sub isn’t op rn?

[dark token]

Nab

[gusty mirage]

you said the magic word

[dark token]

Nah

[gusty mirage]

"hunter"

[dark token]

It's only good in heroic before everyone got gear

[gusty mirage]

or "mage"

[hexed willow]

No that was answer lol

[gusty mirage]

I'm disowning you now

[tepid glacier]

kush doing 500k overall in m+

[gusty mirage]

[dark token]

I'm getting clapped in mythic

[subtle tundra]

but isnt that just a skill issue?

[rotund oak]

u cant ditch me like that 😦

[gusty mirage]

play ret like a gigarat

it's a bit difficult to pick up at first

at first you'll think "It can't be this easy"

[tepid glacier]

pugged HC vault and there were 9 ret palas

[gusty mirage]

and you'll overthink it

[tepid glacier]

not even joking

[gusty mirage]

rest assure, it is that easy

[rotund oak]

yeah man,those three buttons

very difficult

[gusty mirage]

you just press all your buttons all the time

and it just does a fuckton of damage

great spec

10/10 would play again

[subtle tundra]

i'd play ret if it didnt have a fucking legendary

[shy pecan]

I’d play you again

[gusty mirage]

I'm still topping meters w/o the leggo

[gusty mirage]

wtf

https://tenor.com/view/thierry-henry-clueless-thierry-henry-as-a-pundit-pundit-gif-25167832

[neat plank]

why? cause you dont wanna pay for it? :p

[rotund oak]

[shy pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/henry-thierry-henry-henry-face-smirk-arsenal-legend-gif-25770069

[subtle tundra]

cause i dont want to do those annoying ass quests for it

i have 7 mil gold

[gusty mirage]

ret is actually a kindergartener spec

and its fun af

[neat plank]

more fun and kindergatener than fury?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[hexed willow]

I find sin fun

[gusty mirage]

fury has to manage CDs a little bit

[deft quiver]

Are we taking bets as to how long it takes Blizz to fix the raid bugs?

[gusty mirage]

ret just sends

[hexed willow]

2 weeks

[subtle tundra]

i hope they dont or something

[gusty mirage]

varas you can still play poe even if they fix it

its ok

[neat plank]

cause you wanna be a martyr?

[tawny pike]

Shadow Dance and its related talents should've beenexclusive to sub. Why do i have to pick this shitty talent over Acrobatic Strikes, Ian? Why?

[subtle tundra]

no? im in for 2 bosses only tonight

quick 15 min raid

if they fix theyd put me in for more

[runic hinge]

Just play lethality and acro over deeper and alacrity

It’s like -3%

[gusty mirage]

do you want me to write you a note to give to your RL?

[runic hinge]

But you get Acro

[gusty mirage]

"I prescribe 3 hours of poe gaming to Varas in order to remedy his mental health. - Dr. Oxi"

[tawny pike]

i'llt ry thx

[deft quiver]

I’m gonna say it’ll be fixed this upcoming reset with a revert of the s3 nerfs as an apology.

[neat plank]

lol with the bad dps and the bugs no one would even notice another 3%

[subtle tundra]

nah i talked to him and if i wanted i could've just not played, or played more

[runic hinge]

It’s perfect!

[subtle tundra]

(he likes me)

[hexed willow]

Too much hopium, I would recommend a lower dosage

[gusty mirage]

are you cheating on me?

[subtle tundra]

its purely professional

[gusty mirage]

oh okay, carry on then

[subtle tundra]

leveling my 4th character, its a record

[gusty mirage]

I've got my 2nd almost to 100

need a third and final build to do

maybe I do a bow build

[shy pecan]

Damn I’ve played longer than you and haven’t gotten a level 100 yet

[subtle tundra]

i was thinking of ele hit but i think its too squishy for my likings to play bow

[shy pecan]

Also, don’t you play like TS every season?

[gusty mirage]

no

[shy pecan]

Maybe it was just the last season or two that I’m thinking

[gusty mirage]

Arch Nem - I played Arc Witch into Campaign
Sentinel - I played Ice Shot, first league ever into maps
Kalandra - I played LS Raider
Sanctum - I played Poison Seismic, and then did a budget TS build for sanctum running challenges
Crucible - I played Raider SST
TOTA - I TRIED playing ID PF, but vixens were "hotfixed" and bricked for 3 weeks so I swapped Tornado Shot
Affliction - I league started LA into TS
necropolis - Necro DD into Blade Blast Sabo

but everyone seems to think I play tornado shot all the time

[gilded oasis]

guys I heard oxi only plays TS

kinda weird

try something new buddy

[limber lion]

eyo is this the poe chat now

[gusty mirage]

yeah spec's dead

[limber lion]

I'm glad

[gilded oasis]

no

[limber lion]

I'll gladly talk about PoE

[gusty mirage]

this is cev and I's home now

🤝

[shy pecan]

I’m all for it

[subtle tundra]

if i dont enjoy this shit ass build imma kms

[grim jay]

we need a non-Path of Ewwww mod to step in

[gusty mirage]

WOAH

VARAS

[grim jay]

[limber lion]

Did you see my mageblood drop and the new boots? @gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

I dropped a rational doctrine trying to get my last uber conditional

[limber lion]

gotta scouring + veiled orb spam and shit's sooooo expensive

11d a pop

[gusty mirage]

1 uber cortex, 1 20div jewel

[limber lion]

oh sheeesh how much was it?

[gusty mirage]

EZ PROFIT

dunno exactly tbh

[limber lion]

Nice nice

[gusty mirage]

had flat life, % dam, % aoe

[subtle tundra]

i cant wait to gamble ooba ooba elda again

but now gotta focus on this build

[limber lion]

damn those are pretty good

super versatile implicits

[gusty mirage]

ye prolly can sell for a ton

wish I had that when I played my cold bv scion in crucible

[limber lion]

99% of the time it's some useless shit that does nothing for any build

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

lmao

Oh yeah would be insane

[gusty mirage]

problem for rational doctrine is adorned is so strong

it kinda devalues unique jewels

[limber lion]

It's true. I use Adorned + Melding + Watchers

and it feels like a lot

[gusty mirage]

yep

[limber lion]

Also only level 97

so I'm missing a gem slot already there

[gilded oasis]

unsubscribe

[gusty mirage]

I'm using adorned + melding + watchers and sacrificed a slot for stormshroud to get ailment immunity for cheap

[limber lion]

should probs grind it out

Oh yeh

I'm a purity enjoyer

[shy pecan]

Man, need a new computer so I can play PoE without it crashing every few minutes

[gusty mirage]

that's the neat part

it's not your computer

[shy pecan]

I dunno. It does it with wow too once every so often

And with MTGA. So I think it’s struggling

[limber lion]

it's a feature

[gusty mirage]

yep

I went to launch the game yesterday to give @twilit hollow some maps

and I crashed at the login screen

lmao

[shy pecan]

Like your screen goes black for like 15 seconds and then crashes?

[gusty mirage]

like I saw a faded version of the login screen

and it froze

and just closed after 10s

[shy pecan]

Oh. Hmm…

[gusty mirage]

like cev said

it's a feature of the game

[limber lion]

I keep dying to volatile cores

I wish I could blame anything else except for myself

but I can't

[gusty mirage]

t17 enjoyer

[limber lion]

I'm a big dumbo unlucky

[gilded oasis]

its also a feature

[gusty mirage]

I rolled a t17 and I also kept dying to volatile cores

we really are twins :3

was 10% off of 99

and got to restart 98

was pretty cool

[junior aurora]

10% off 99 going into t17

[gusty mirage]

sometimes you just gotta live life dangerously

[eternal heath]

oxi hates getting exp confirmed

[arctic socket]

He doesn’t want that last passive point

[eternal heath]

Cluster? I barely know her

[limber lion]

You say that but Oxi gets level 100 in every league at least on one char

he's a gamer

[shy pecan]

Damn

[eternal heath]

Yeah I think my highest was like 96

[arctic socket]

Getting lvl 100 isn’t that difficult though

[eternal heath]

On a flicker char lol

[spice spire]

10/10

[spice spire]

He’s built diffy

[limber lion]

You say that but I've never been 100

[arctic socket]

That’s wild

[limber lion]

And I've played since Ritual or Heist league, whichever was first

[arctic socket]

Actually wild

[eternal heath]

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-smg4skill-issue-skill-issue-smg4mario-smg4skill-gif-26104493

[spice spire]

You’d be way too powerful if you ever reached 100 Cev

[arctic socket]

All you do is afk 5 ways

[spice spire]

You know that, the game knows that.

[eternal heath]

Ritual was my first proper start

[arctic socket]

Last league was free 100 on anything

[eternal heath]

My actual first league was betrayal

[limber lion]

I mean yeah getting 100 is easy if you just pay for a boost lmao

[junior aurora]

this league you just need to do shrine bullshit