assassination

[rotund oak]

u are welcome friend

[cerulean nest]

how was the rogue playstyle in MOP

[visual coyote]

Anticipation

[spice spire]

Execute focused

Dispatch was an execute

And procc’d from blindside

[cerulean nest]

interesting

[visual coyote]

Wonder if you'll be able to get Glyphs from a vendor or will you need to level to craft for Vendetta

[spice spire]

Looks like it’s current iteration just in MOP

[royal lantern]

its current classes

not MoP one

scus lol

that would be litearlly re-creating an entire different version of the game for a time limited event

just for 99% to play warlock cus warlock was 1 of the most broken classes in any MMO ever during MoP

[bronze pike]

Sooo I’ll state the obvious

Where sims of what meta gems we want

[spice surge]

The dps one

[bronze pike]

But which one

Chaos orb? I think chaos orb is bis

[quaint hull]

Pre-patch ain't even out bruh, sims for your week 1 gem?

[vestal wren]

i need plunderstorm sims

[quaint hull]

[spice spire]

Remby

[vestal wren]

what landing position has the highest ep per area and the lowest chance of other players landing

also how can i lower my chance of getting chased for 5 minutes losing out on farm

what success rate do i need to have on fish to beat axe?

smh no simulations, makes plunderstorm unplayable

[royal lantern]

new here?

[royal lantern]

there are 3 gems of for each slot

1 is clearly tank focused, 1 is clearly healer focused and 1 clearly dps focused

its not really a big choice

the only "choice" is the "what kind of additonal mobility do you want?" in the last lsot

[bronze pike]

Yes brother

[spice spire]

Sbg

Why

[bronze pike]

Life storm looks really strong

R u sure?

[royal lantern]

?????

~25k dmg x5 against a random nearby enemys and a group haste buff vs ALL enemys in 15yards taking 50% more crit dmg+a dmg effect

thats not even a question lol

1 is for tanks cus it does flat dmg+some stats for the group, the other is for dps cus it makes some dummy big burst

imagine kingssbane doing 50% more crit dmg at the end lol

or fire mage who will just be fire mage with that thing

[bronze pike]

But I can heal people with life storm

Utility ya know

[royal lantern]

you are a dps

your job is too do dmg

not doing some ussuless healing where it doessnt matter lol

[bronze pike]

thats why sin isnt meta

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1054476849532641380.gif?size=128&quality=lossless

[spice spire]

Real

[royal lantern]

Real

[maiden rover]

Wish ur s4 raid status was real….

[spice spire]

Damn king

Why do you gotta do that to me

I miss u(s)

[maiden rover]

https://tenor.com/view/stitch-lilo-and-stitch-cry-sad-crying-in-rain-gif-12357557

[runic hinge]

I didn't come in here to cry today

[spice spire]

False bestie

[spice spire]

Hilsh the realest mf I ever met (he was my windfury totem)

Also he won our fantasy league

[maiden rover]

I will always be your totem

[royal lantern]

thats the most romantic wow related thing i have ever seen

[spice spire]

You have not been in any voice chat with me

I love my melee group

Too much

[royal lantern]

did you....meow for them

https://tenor.com/view/meow-cat-gif-27161697

[gusty mirage]

I have

And you were mean to me

[spice spire]

That’s false bestie

[gusty mirage]

You can’t have more than one bestie you bullshitter

[spice spire]

I am a friend to all

[marble hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/wasn't-me-innocent-not-guilty-gif-13618131975653017119

[maiden rover]

https://tenor.com/view/lucille-bluth-whore-arrested-development-gif-15207337

[spice spire]

????

[marble hemlock]

why do you think his icon is sbs, cuz he can bonespike 3+ targets

[spice spire]

Ur projecting king

[gusty mirage]

I’ll project deez nuts onto your chin

[spice spire]

God I wish you would

[maiden rover]

^ I rest my case

[spice spire]

?????

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/beating-up-beat-up-gang-attack-fight-back-jaxson-ryker-gif-14720264

no one messes with quake

only me

[spice spire]

Literally everyone messed with me

Tf u mean

[storm forum]

I'm literally getting paid to mess with quake

[gusty mirage]

yo wtf man that was a secret

now I gotta pay the rest of these bozos

[royal lantern]

ayooooo

[maiden rover]

I’ll keep doing it free of charge sir.

[gusty mirage]

that's why you're my favorite

feel free to let these other guys know

[spice spire]

U changed

[storm forum]

I'm sorry

I really needed the money

[spice spire]

I understand king

I hope it’s treated you well

[bronze pike]

hug

i got a new sin fix for u

in celebration of mop classic +

[balmy condor]

Most Likely Season 4 Trinket tuning. This impacts pretty much all of our choices aside from Ashes. No numbers yet but would assume that we'll be seeing grieftorch/call to suffering instead
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1193256296997191710/1227724939390353418/v3YO2cP.png?ex=662972f3&is=6616fdf3&hm=391543328439e81b14020f3a512952e62e25f6fa43eb1e40afc10e99421e7f37&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=810&height=325

[blazing jewel]

Nelth trinket

[dark token]

its actually good

ashes was better

tho

i like t he grief buff :)

[clever sapphire]

i like the dispenser nerf

so it wont come into question

no matter what

[spice surge]

...unless....?

[split jewel]

is shadowflame patch enough to proc ring without bomb?

[spice surge]

Flaring cowl is

[dark token]

thank god bomba is nerfed

[balmy condor]

it's hilarious cause flaring cowl is pretty much exactly the amount worse than blue silk lining that the ring makes up

[gusty mirage]

do you like the 1s gcd added to it too?

[dark token]

doesnt matter on sin can do it in pooling

[gusty mirage]

does that mean it'll trigger a GCD

or

because that's a buff if it does

no more oopsie cancelling

[royal lantern]

so

ita pointless?

[balmy condor]

yeh kinda

maybe after trinket nerf though

especially if it's from icon -> grief

cause that would be a LOT of lost stats

damage procs stonkers

[dark token]

why is flaring cowl topping for sub not sin considering its haste mast

and sub stacks vers

i would think shadowflame patch better for them

[royal lantern]

math

dont question it

[dark token]

also sub takes acro making flaring cowl range issues worse too

[runic hinge]

Woah that’s a huge boon nerf

[dark token]

(still perma bis)

assa dead

[tawdry willow]

what the boss?

[royal lantern]

Depression

[silk bane]

thank you, now where are deathstalker sims.

bro been slacking on god fr fr no cap kiss me

[late birch]

only one boss where those 4 top specs does this lol

[willow grotto]

Look like council

[woeful meteor]

Kappas evo name still goated

[dark token]

Where are the mop sin sims

[royal lantern]

is blink, sprint or roll better for dps in mop remix?

[jagged haven]

Hi friends new rogue here. Is this a good channel to ask general questions, or is there a better one?

[marble hemlock]

for assassination specifically, this is the best channel, for more general wow questions, #wow-general would be best. if its pvp related, #pvp and if its about classic wow, then #classic-discussion

[jagged haven]

I guess it is assassination related because it is ability dependent. I am a dumb warrior and stealth mechanic is new to me. How do I bind my keys around stealth? I.e like abilities I should only be using during stealth or vice versa.

[balmy condor]

most people don't change their keybinds

[jagged haven]

So same binds in an outta stealth? I saw a YouTuber who had his mutilate change to ambush when they got a proc.

Somewhat related

[balmy condor]

that happens automatically

[jagged haven]

Oh I'm a fool!! I should play the spec more before asking silly questions.

Ty

[balmy condor]

np

[midnight mist]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?ex=65592c45&is=6546b745&hm=6a1849f8319d284826b46f6e257e341b8146d1cfe4944d74f6c4442650e080e5&

[silk bane]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170206350425473044/giphy.gif?ex=65583297&is=6545bd97&hm=6410f0fa6620cc27fc722cfdb070e10dcc4131f27848e8ee6edaea166fce7b75&

[slim hamlet]

Whispyr

What do we sim in panda thing and also what is bis list?

[split jewel]

how badly does not restealthing affect us in Mists Remix?

[balmy condor]

I sometimes look in the mirror and wonder how my life ended up like this

[ebon notch]

[drifting cloud]

[shy pecan]

Same

[balmy condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170799677998891068/giphy.gif

[shy pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170799677998891068/giphy.gif

[silk bane]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170206350425473044/giphy.gif?ex=65583297&is=6545bd97&hm=6410f0fa6620cc27fc722cfdb070e10dcc4131f27848e8ee6edaea166fce7b75&

[fallow canopy]

remix stats aggregate gear BiS list when?

[silk bane]

thats what im saying dude. wheres the last titan sims

like what is bro even doing

patch is almost out in 6 years and bro is just tweakin

[fallow canopy]

where are the meta gems spreadsheets smh

[spice spire]

Meta this meta that, have u ever meta bitch

[fallow canopy]

waiting to meet you ||(for legal reasons this is a joke)||

[spice spire]

[violet jackal]

I met quake once and then my life changed

[balmy condor]

I met quake at a candle lit dinner and he scooped me up in his big hairy arms and took me back to his house

And then I woke up

[spice spire]

Only one of these people have met me

I need to go to another Dreamhack, king.

[oak sky]

MonkaCall

[balmy condor]

When do y’all think we’re getting assa hero talents

It’s dead in here

[spice spire]

Why do u wish that on urself

[ebon notch]

You saying you haven’t simmed them yet

[runic hinge]

Sometimes I prefer it boring but then no one chats for 9 hours and I’m like maybe that’s not better

[ember mural]

or it turns into a lost ark channel

[spice surge]

I thought this week, so surely its next week

For sure surely

[shy heron]

The moment they drop you know this channel is gonna be flooded with "is assa viable now????"

[balmy condor]

I need content

[runic hinge]

Yeah lol. I get enough of that from the one other dude at work tries to convince me to play

[ebon notch]

Try outlaw

[shy heron]

But as a blue name I hope they're more exciting than hitting feint on CD for damage

[balmy condor]

I said content not carpal tunnel

[ember mural]

it only hurts at first, after awhile it goes numb

wait

pause

holup

[runic hinge]

You mean hitting it right before dance

[balmy condor]

And then I can pretend it’s her

[ember mural]

[balmy condor]

[spice surge]

I cant feel you there, become so tired, so much more aware

[shy heron]

Right. Sorry I forgot that one crucial and very exciting element

[runic hinge]

Unkillable in cds

Perfect

[ebon notch]

bind sinister strike to scroll wheel

no more carpal tunnel

[balmy condor]

Sinister strike scroll wheel up

Between the eyes scroll wheel down

Pistol shot middle click

And then just go to town on that shit

[spice spire]

I should call her

[shy pecan]

[silk bane]

i rubbed my mouse middle button so hard bro started texting me "you up? " at 2am

what do i do next?

[spice spire]

Go to him

[balmy condor]

Perform an appendectomy

[silk bane]

i dont wanna ruin what we have together

[spice spire]

Nice name

[ebon notch]

nice name

[blazing jewel]

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-bite-gif-26218368

[ember mural]

https://tenor.com/view/blanket-cat-funny-gif-332469826982703541

[runic hinge]

Nice name

[drifting cloud]

hi what did I miss

[blazing jewel]

@ebon notch said he’s playing bone spike because it reminds him of his favorite thing

[drifting cloud]

whats his favorite thing

[balmy condor]

Bone spike

[ebon notch]

loved me some boner spike

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-gif-21355539

[spice spire]

Me

[drifting cloud]

tw : ||daddy chill||

[spice spire]

Damn

You warned me

[gilded oasis]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif

[gilded oasis]

hello who is it

[runic hinge]

[spice spire]

[gilded oasis]

[keen spruce]

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1099033558691106856.webp?size=128&quality=lossless

[fallow canopy]

I'm gonna commit a hate crime against lizards

[storm forum]

UwU

[spice spire]

Call me a lizard

[fallow canopy]

I can see your pfp mr duck, can't fool me

[balmy condor]

Just kill it idk

[spice spire]

Mister what

[blazing jewel]

Cast deletus bossus

🧙‍♂️

[shy pecan]

MakeItQuack

[clever sapphire]

so now that im done with the raid and we are reclearing, do i just ignore mechanics and go for parses?

[quiet oar]

and whine, when you dont ghet PI

[clever sapphire]

i should get PI afaik, one of our raiders played his uhdk only for the grips on fyrakk

fun fact, we killed fyrakk when he wasnt in the raid and i got pi

[quiet oar]

Thats why its dead

[clever sapphire]

i had a 2.5M kb during intermission with cooldowns and pi

i was sad

[quiet oar]

Imagine+

[steel ridge]

i can raise you a 2.0M kb during intermission with cds and pi

and a 9.6M kb during smolderon intermission

[clever sapphire]

O.o

im gonna play assa on smolderon during reclear

time to see how well it goes

[steel ridge]

kb is just rng on top of rng its kinda crazy, maybe it should be changed to scale with crit chance while always critting like chaos bolt

and tuned accordingly

[steel ridge]

assa is perfectly fine on smolderon if you are not a subtlety super geek

[clever sapphire]

give it a dmg buff and make it so it just cant crit

now the rng is removed and the dmg is always the same

[steel ridge]

that would devalue the crit stat as a whole

[clever sapphire]

i played sub for it during prog cause i wanted to get away from there

[clever sapphire]

true

[steel ridge]

thats the difference you are looking at, 5 ilvl and equal dmg for me 😄

[marsh ferry]

Could make it work like fire/destro where it gets converted to crit dmg

[clever sapphire]

wanted to check my logs, forgot we have it as unlisted and i cant be bothered to search for it

[steel ridge]

thats what i just said

[clever sapphire]

but i had like 305k as sub there

but whatever, its reclear, im there to have fun

[steel ridge]

yeah my sub first kill was just in december and it probably wasnt the cleanest pull xD

[marsh ferry]

Oop, only saw the message right under you

[clever sapphire]

our first kills were usually always the pulls where everything went clean

tindral we only had 1 death in the last 20 seconds

fyrakk we had 2 deaths at the last 10 seconds or so

smolderon no deaths im pretty sure

and than reclears come, and i can already see half the raid dead

[steel ridge]

with perfect execution, nothing can match sub on that boss

its just what it is

[clever sapphire]

false

another sub can

[steel ridge]

but no spec can match what assassination can do on the third intermission with lust, pi and execute 😄

[clever sapphire]

as assa you just send cooldowns from the getgo right?

and you have cooldowns for third intermission

[steel ridge]

idk man, killtimes are so bad you might not get that last set of cd´s in

so you may have value in delaying during lust until you got all 5 orbs

[clever sapphire]

im just gonna accidentally snipe someone with a tornado

[steel ridge]

assassination just suffers when you cannot have a nice cooldown window during execute

[steel ridge]

this is the way, drag out the fight until your cds are done 😄

[clever sapphire]

maaaaybe i will mess around with sepsis again

[steel ridge]

wtf

now you are cooking

[clever sapphire]

tried it on sub, but since i picked up sub during smolderon i was already overwhelmed with my rotation

does sepsis get snapshotted by anything? (vanish/dance/smolderon orbs)

[balmy condor]

yeh the dot would

idk if you should really be thinking about snapshotting a dot worth 2.5% of your dps though

sounds pretty weird

[steel ridge]

deathstalker will bring shadow sepsis

a proc for sepsis, that snapshots everything

[clever sapphire]

eh whatever, i just wanna mess around with shit

[balmy condor]

best practice with sepsis atm is to cast it between shadow dances for garrote uptime

[clever sapphire]

my idea was tbh to just always cast sepsis in intermission and make it look cool in details

[grim jay]

I would rather mess around with my vacuum cleaner to see if I can turn it into a jetpack than touch sepsis

[balmy condor]

the only way it would look cool is if you think being on the bottom of the meters looks cool

[shy pecan]

Means delaying Sepsis a bit just to use it huh? 😐

[clever sapphire]

imagine if i could just snapshot bonespike with dance and intermission orbs, and it would just do more ticking dmg for the rest of the fight (well not like it does any dmg)

[balmy condor]

yeh also turns it into a 2 min cooldown

shadow dance just obliterates sepsis

[shy pecan]

Yeah 😐

[clever sapphire]

i had a prog night on fyrakk without pi and windfury totem, im already used to that

but i can also see myself just dropping it after 2 pulls when i realise that my signet does more dmg

[royal lantern]

no wft no pi gang o/

i love crucial effects like wft that all melee specs are balanced around beeing on a single spec btw

and the fallout that happens when that guy stops playing

[shy pecan]

[clever sapphire]

its lookin like a no wft season for me in S4, our enha is rerolling monk

[balmy condor]

do you think specs are balanced around pi

[grim jay]

I feel you. We probably have 2 now tho

[royal lantern]

balanced by default no, nerfed because of it yes

and wft yes

[balmy condor]

okay

thanks

[royal lantern]

akshualy

shadow is balanced around pi

[clever sapphire]

Would assa have gotten so many nerfs without PI in your opinion? (Just asking, i have no idea)

[balmy condor]

yes\

[rotund oak]

sin didnt deserve the nerfs

period(democratic tone in that lul)

Also,Lin is a chonk

[sharp viper]

would assa have gotten the same nerfs if another raid would have been current instead of amirdrassil?

[grim jay]

Nerfs yes, maybe not as hard

[balmy condor]

elaborate

whats that mean

[rotund oak]

could settle for that true,especially the last one,just felt wrong

[balmy condor]

like is the dps split the same

[sharp viper]

as in, did the encounters facilitate the nerfs due to strengths of assassination cds and splatter/cleave on fights like tindral/fyrakk?

[balmy condor]

yes

but that doesn't necessarily mean that it didn't need nerfing if it was a different raid

in that hypothetical the tuning would be different for everyone across the board as a result

[sharp viper]

I am not disputing that assa needed nerfs, just the extent of which seemed to be more due to amirdrassil being good for assassination's strengths

[grim jay]

Kinda wish they somewhat compensated for m+

Atleast

[runic hinge]

Yeah they should buff ct

No bias

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

yeah if it was a more single target oriented raid probably wouldn't have been as necessary

[sharp viper]

make X ability do more/less damage depending on whether you're in 5-man party or a raid

[grim jay]

Nah, just adjust target scaling

They have so many options to not make it too complicated

While still keeping strengths and weaknesses the same

[sharp viper]

uncap target counts and fuck MDI

[grim jay]

They could even buff talents that are exlusively taken in m+

Or only really shine there

But they rarely did that in a good way

[sharp viper]

if that would happend they might be taken in raid too

[clever sapphire]

Facts, make CT great again

[balmy condor]

gonna be waiting a really fucking long time for a CT buff

[clever sapphire]

Not as long as bonespike buffs i bet

[balmy condor]

I'd say higher chance for bonespike buffs

[clever sapphire]

Wait with s1 council coming back, thats gonna be the bonespike boss fight

[rotund oak]

[clever sapphire]

And ct

[balmy condor]

it wasn't even the bonespike fight back then

[grim jay]

Now even less ig

[clever sapphire]

Let me have atleast 1 fight

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

I can't keep fighting all these delusions

the delusions went to the gym

now they're buff as fuck

[clever sapphire]

I played bonespike on terros and volcoross, i even got adjusted to the delayed CP

Fight me

[balmy condor]

I don't care what you play

just don't pretend like it's good

[clever sapphire]

Ah its not

But i legit thought it was good on S1 council

[rotund oak]

thats @marble hemlock propaganda

[vestal wren]

wait, so bonespike rising in s4?

👀

[clever sapphire]

Bonespike still deadge

[royal lantern]

buff? could not be assa

[clever sapphire]

One day it shall make its comeback

I probably wont live to see that day

But it shall come back

[grim jay]

Only if you can get enough restealths

And are close to critcap

[royal lantern]

aka 34%

[vestal wren]

don't forget the haste cap

so you need exactly 6,969k haste

[spice spire]

I’m going back to sleep

[shy pecan]

gn MakeItQuack

[spice spire]

[vestal wren]

gm quake, how was your morning so far

[spice spire]

I moved laundry over, it’s still 3:50ish - I read stat caps. Decided 6 sm isn’t so bad

[grim jay]

The way you wrote the number just triggered me

Idk

[balmy condor]

I wish I could sleep

[grim jay]

[spice spire]

I hope you’re having a great day thus far fuu

[spice spire]

Ur stuck sorry king

[rotund oak]

sexual depression smh

joking ofc

[vestal wren]

, is commonly used in europe
. is usually used in NA

6969 haste

would be universal

[rotund oak]

ye like 6.9mil haste

that would be universal

[grim jay]

Nah its just like if you write 6,969k you couldve just wrote 6969

[rotund oak]

maybe astronomical

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

nah I just make a choice to not engage

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/milj-milk-skill-issue-spill-issue-spill-gif-25572474

[spice spire]

Wish you’d engage me

[shy pecan]

Same

[vestal wren]

maybe we should keep it to 6,9k / 6.9k

[balmy condor]

little too early for that don't you think

[vestal wren]

too many numbers else

[rotund oak]

ask him out

[spice spire]

I’m a sin main. I don’t think

[balmy condor]

i ain't trying to be quake's rebound ya know

[grim jay]

Atleast take him out to dinner first

[shy pecan]

Wow

[spice spire]

Damn

[rotund oak]

Lin would eat everything

[shy pecan]

gn kids

[clever sapphire]

In S4 we will use puzzlebox until ashes right?

[vestal wren]

puzzlebox was nerfed

so don't think any spec will rly want it

[clever sapphire]

So i just gotta pray i get ashes on the 3rd week

[bronze pike]

Do we have thok tail tip sims for mop remix heroic siege of org?

[grim jay]

Or you get it with the coins

[clever sapphire]

Wait coins

How do they work again

[balmy condor]

You kill and it gives coin

You buy thing with coins

[grim jay]

Like Dinar in SL fated.

[vestal wren]

[clever sapphire]

Ye but how many things do i have to kill

I read the article, i forget about it after 2 hours

[grim jay]

Idk, think they changed it up from SL fated

[clever sapphire]

Well as long as i get my item its fine

Can i also buy sylvanas daggers?

[sharp viper]

that would be nice

[vestal wren]

maybe in an alternative universe

[royal lantern]

your mainjob in siege will be kiting garosh orbs with Burst of Speed

wait

[bronze pike]

outlaw stole ur job

[royal lantern]

so the first time outlaw is a "desired" raid spec is in a tine limited LEVELING event where raid will be lfr difficulty?

like, i hope people realise that this thing is supposed to make leveling more exciting

[clever sapphire]

Time to lvl another rogue

[royal lantern]

its a fancy version of the ussual "next expac in 2months, here is a 100% exp Boost"

thats why we get sockets with effects that play the game for you

play a new class and suck at it->doesnt matter cus the sockets carry you anyway trought this trivial content

[quiet oar]

I actually thought about that too, why not give people the ability to buy stuff from the last fated/Awakened in the new Fated/Awakened

Prolly Balancing Nightmare but still

[clever sapphire]

Aug exists

Aug is a balancing nightmare

[royal lantern]

delete aug

[clever sapphire]

Also its S4

Who cares about balance in a meme season

Let me be broken and destroy everything

[royal lantern]

thats playing ret

[clever sapphire]

Isnt it bm hunter?

Since they are getting their broken bow

[quiet oar]

What about Furys getting Fyralath and Echo sword

[clever sapphire]

Evokers with their leggy weapon

[quiet oar]

Well its not "that" op

Because it buffs your mates too

[clever sapphire]

So we will see more augs

And less devs

Well not like anything beside aug exists

[royal lantern]

man, people dont even say Evoker anymore

its just aug

litearlly the entire class is just aug

[spice surge]

Its changed, its not that broken anymore

Used to be attack speed, now its basic attack damage

Still a +7 ilvl weapon but eh

[quiet oar]

I mean it might be good

Because BM Weapon Dmg is important now

since this season right

[split jewel]

the bow is still BIS for BM/MM (both top sims run it), just not to the same extent as season 1

[quiet oar]

It is ye

[marble hemlock]

I don't deal in propaganda, only in inevitable and undeniable truths of the universe.

[rotund oak]

🫶

[glossy dust]

Hey ive been reading trough the Wowhead guide for sin - how does Bonespike work better on cleave fights? How does the playstlye change?

oh you can trowh that lol

does it stay on council till fight ends completly?

[clever sapphire]

bonespike gives you combo points based on how many bonespikes are out

aka if you have it on 3 targets and press spike you get 5 cps? (i dunno lol, love the ability but i always forget the cp numbers)

so ye its "better" on cleave fights, but even than you wont be running bonespike

its just too weak to make it relevant

[glossy dust]

oh i tought the bleed that stays and u dont have to refresh is the relevant part

it sounded to me like a apply and forgett type of thing

[clever sapphire]

bonespike is used as a builder

[glossy dust]

You have to press it again to get the cp's

?

[clever sapphire]

ya

its like throw knife, but with less energy cost, a permanent dot and more cp gain

[glossy dust]

so basicaly trowh it once have 2 cp trowh it on someone new get 4 and on the 3 trowh i get 5? After that allways 5?

[clever sapphire]

well if it goes up by 2 than you would get 6 not 5

but ye

[glossy dust]

true

unlucky sounded cooler as it is

[clever sapphire]

best ability, but its too undertuned

the fact that even in a council fight you dont take it

is just cringe imo

[glossy dust]

unfortunate

[slim hamlet]

I heckin love sbs

[slim hamlet]

Actually if u dont have s3 tier set yet and some specific stats/trinkets you take it for ST

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-emoji-nerdge-gif-23738139

[clever sapphire]

so you wanna tell me that if im outlaw geared and freshly boosted i should play bonespike

time to make a new rogue

[slim hamlet]

possibly

SBS was like 1% better start of s3 before tier sets for some

but not for others

[clever sapphire]

aaah should have voted for a different tset

maybe bonespike would have made a comeback

[slim hamlet]

Maybe it makes a comeback in tww

[clever sapphire]

i dont see how it could tho

[slim hamlet]

maybe both our hero talents is all about sbs

[clever sapphire]

only assa has bonespike

so unless the other specs get bonespikes

i dont see it happening

[dark token]

That's what I've been saying

Turbo boring to have same set + s2 set better for m+ anyway

[slim hamlet]

s2 was the only right choice

I think raid is prolly kinda boring without s3 ngl

but its a m+ season anyways

[clever sapphire]

its a unsub season anyways

yap

[slim hamlet]

nah

I gotta get gold

also panda thing is cool

[clever sapphire]

how do you do that

[slim hamlet]

boost

[clever sapphire]

fair point

but i gotta play the game for that

aaaaah

i will just get the fyrakk mount to drop and sell it to guildies

[slim hamlet]

yep

[clever sapphire]

[slim hamlet]

getting like 1-2 mil and dipping until panda

[spice surge]

show up to raid
have a buyer
get paid

[slim hamlet]

the cuts right now are 90k 💀

[clever sapphire]

thats more than my whole networth

[slim hamlet]

yikes

They were high for so long this season tho

[rotund oak]

kinda low tbh

[slim hamlet]

Yes

its extremely low

[rotund oak]

yup was being polite 😅

[spice surge]

90k for what

[slim hamlet]

they were 240k at like 2 months into the season

[rotund oak]

ild rather boost duelist for 600k

[slim hamlet]

too much work

[rotund oak]

true

[slim hamlet]

u actually gotta think in pvp

But u won't find me boosting under like 150k

[rotund oak]

and if the other dude is completely braindead u heavily rely only on ur counterpart teammate u boost on 3s

which can be pretty stressful

[slim hamlet]

Haven't pvp'd since shadowlands

maybe I do for tmogs in s4

[clever sapphire]

thats what i thought for this season

[rotund oak]

i think pvp in DF has made significant steps towards the right direction ngl

i kinda loved pvp in DF

[slim hamlet]

I played rsham in shadowlands

Put earth ele down with earthquake legendary

[clever sapphire]

but guess what, 30-40 min queues for a 1-5 lose because i suck at pvp is not worth

[slim hamlet]

gg ez wins until like 2k

Haven't even tried the solo queue thing

[rotund oak]

ive played mage and my 2nd rogue in 2s 3s s1-s3

i havent had this much fun in ages

[slim hamlet]

actually

I played some assa pvp right when the rework came

We were so op holy

[rotund oak]

sin is very cool even today

and kinda strong coz u bleed everything and KS boting

alot of dps

[sharp viper]

for a second i thought this was #pvp

[clever sapphire]

nach its #off-topic

[slim hamlet]

Yep

Can you still dispell deathmark?

[sharp viper]

that's a given

[slim hamlet]

That shit was actually cringe

[sharp viper]

survival hunters, evokers, paladins and cloaks can

so yes

and dwarves*

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/skeletano-fall-gif-12898771772448201665

[clever sapphire]

the worst part about pvp is, that my keybinds are setup for pve

[slim hamlet]

You won't catch me ever having pvp macros

pvp is already too much brain usage

[rotund oak]

my entire UI is based ENTIRELY on my pvp habbits

all my macros

everything

i even keep my blind arena 1 2 3 macros

i dont even use them

[slim hamlet]

bruh

[clever sapphire]

my keybinds are setup for raiding, utility nowhere to be found at an accessable place

and i dont do keys high enough where stuns would be necessary

so guess where my cheapshot/kidney shot are

[slim hamlet]

My keybinds are whatever the fuck I sat when I was 9 playing MoP

[clever sapphire]

ye not even i know

aight that was a lie, i know kidneyshot

[slim hamlet]

I already got 40 keybinds

how the hell do you guys have pvp targeted binds

[rotund oak]

mod macros

[slim hamlet]

9 and =

[rotund oak]

u can have like 120 binded stuff and still have space

[slim hamlet]

Yea I got 12 keybinds with and then shift and ctrl mods to those

and began having some alt mods for some specs

[rotund oak]

i use alt as well

[clever sapphire]

shift + t is kidneyshot, no idea if i even have cheap bound

[rotund oak]

also modying from my mouse

[slim hamlet]

Pretty sure its impossible without an mmo mouse

[rotund oak]

like mouse bind ''5'' + alt

[slim hamlet]

yea I only got 2 side buttons

for stealth + sprint and mods of those for mounts

and ofc autorun

Where would I be without autorun

[glossy dust]

Is sin also big cd's small cds? Big being everything with Deathmark and Vanish - small being just KB and Dance?

[clever sapphire]

yap

[slim hamlet]

yap

yo

[glossy dust]

got it ty

[clever sapphire]

ha i was faster

git gud

[slim hamlet]

fake news

[clever sapphire]

your fake news are fake news

[spice surge]

@blazing jewel Yo look at these poser

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/now-that-doesnt-really-add-up-thomas-brackenreid-murdoch-mysteries-thats-not-right-seems-off-gif-23721549

[rotund oak]

You boys make gebels feel proud

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cant-read-gif-22252869

idk what gebel is

[clever sapphire]

i unbound autorun so that i could have a focus target and focus kick macro there

[slim hamlet]

did u just call me a whole ass mountain

[clever sapphire]

your ass so huge, its a mountain

[slim hamlet]

alright

that's enough class disc for today I think

[clever sapphire]

i could snowboard on it even at this time of the year

[slim hamlet]

alright

that's enough for this year I think

[clever sapphire]

[rotund oak]

yo mama jokes

[clever sapphire]

yo mama so fat, the boys call her a gebel

[rotund oak]

was talking about the goebbels dude

the ''i made propaganda and lying science'' dude

[sharp viper]

my target arena 1, 2, 3 macros are also used for target boss 1, 2, 3

[rotund oak]

we can be friends

[glossy dust]

what exactly does this mean: Do i not deathmark/dance and vanish for the big KB window? Do i want to spread improved garrots then or?

[clever sapphire]

M+ context im guessing

[glossy dust]

Uhm its under "advanced tips"

[clever sapphire]

In m+ spreading bleeds is likely more value than holding vanish for DM

[glossy dust]

i cant tell tbh

[clever sapphire]

In raid you will always have dm and vanish up

And you also have dance for imp garrote

[slim hamlet]

This seems like a pre rework tip no?

where you used vanish before DM

[glossy dust]

So in raid/st i used dance/vanish for the KB window for nightstalker and in m+ to spread improved garrots?

[clever sapphire]

Ya pretty much, unless tank lets you restealth of course

[glossy dust]

which they should

i mean i have 10 sec then to spread garotte/rupture isnt that troll if not?

[slim hamlet]

in raid u always use vanish end of KB for extend imp garrote and MA. In m+ it's dependant on a lot of things but often for spreading when u can't restealth since the MA is less value

[glossy dust]

MA?

[slim hamlet]

master assassin

[glossy dust]

i see so general rule would be use it in raid for that and m+ either if i cant stealth or kb window

[sharp viper]

can do the same in m+ if the pull lives long enough/has a big guy to cleave off of

[slim hamlet]

yap

but very often if u send DM and KB on same target it's dead before KB is close to over

[glossy dust]

not quite sure what improved garotte does for the cleave off to other targets

atleast here in the guide it says its mostly for MA so the KB ticks are more likely to crit?

[slim hamlet]

He just means when u target one big guy and cleave spatter off, then the MA on KB also ofc spatters off

Yes

The end ticks of KB are the biggest ones so you try to maximise the crits there with KB

[glossy dust]

youd have to still use it at the end tho correct?

[clever sapphire]

Ya

[slim hamlet]

Yes in that scenario

[clever sapphire]

Vanish is either used to spread bleeds or for the last 3 sec of KB

In M+ its a decision you have to decide on

In raid its always the second part

[slim hamlet]

or cheese mechanics or iron wire or...

Very good ability yes 👍

[clever sapphire]

Ye sure, use dmg for something not dmg related

You and your cooked takes

Smh

[slim hamlet]

mb g

[glossy dust]

aight i see more or less ty

[slim hamlet]

I know vanishing for non dmg is illegal

[clever sapphire]

Its fine, anyone can make mistakes, i learned this phrase from tryan

Or was it bad takes?

Im a bad student, dunno anymore

[slim hamlet]

I have no idea what you are waffling about ngl

[clever sapphire]

Its fine

[grim jay]

Did someone say

https://tenor.com/view/waffles-waffle-syrup-food-yummy-gif-16668016

[gusty mirage]

Bad takes in a wow class discord? That’s unheard of

[vestal wren]

only good vibes and good takes allowed

it is a new discord rule

[clever sapphire]

This discord is gonna become empty real fast

[vestal wren]

haha

[spice spire]

False bestie

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-cute-meow-cat-kitten-gif-16741198

@spice spire

someone told me to do so

tf

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Blocked

[royal lantern]

the gifs will continue until quake meows

[ember mural]

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-gif-17331059067961461130

[spice spire]

Blocked

[maiden rover]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-big-lips-gif-13233291

[spice spire]

Blocked

You’re all blocked - none of you are free from sin

Actually idk if Hilsh knows that lore

[earnest remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-dance-gif-14813697

[maiden rover]

Nope. But always down to hear you meow.

[spice spire]

That’ll never happen

[earnest remnant]

[spice spire]

Meowing in vc was banned from the guild I ran before joining solaria

[earnest remnant]

so barking was allowed

[spice spire]

Because I had a very… interesting feral Druid player

[spice spire]

Yes

My Druid would rawdog a meow that lasted 30s - 1m in vc like 8 times a raid night and it was bad enough that trials were like “yeah we can’t deal with this guy”

So it had to be banned

And you’d think I murdered this man’s family

[earnest remnant]

just why

[spice spire]

WoW players are wild

[earnest remnant]

only thing going that long in our vc's was me laughing for like 5min straight on tindral

and when i went quiet they would ask me if i was okay

[spice spire]

Anyway, whispyr, oxi, and ahri. All heard it in real time and started the meowing bit with me.
And now it’s this

[earnest remnant]

just for me to start laughing again

[maiden rover]

Did that dude end up joining the all furry guild that got aotc like last week?

[spice spire]

No

“I’m not a furry, I’m just an irl cat”

[vestal wren]

there was a furry guild getting ce last week tho

[earnest remnant]

"on every level except physical im a cat"

[maiden rover]

Explains the feral main choice then.

[spice spire]

No even physically

He had a whole backstory

And lore

[sharp viper]

I don't have CE and probably won't get it - only logical conclusion is that I'm not furry enough to get CE

[woeful meteor]

@spice spire

[spice spire]

True

[maiden rover]

Aotc…ce, pretty much same thing.

[spice spire]

Blocked

[spice spire]

Did you get ce this tier

(I actually don’t know this isn’t BM)

[maiden rover]

We’re proggin phase 2 still. If we get it it will surely be worlds last.

[sharp viper]

maybe it's my guild that isn't furry enough and I was never the problem?

https://tenor.com/view/skinner-out-of-touch-simpsons-gif-4964887

[vestal wren]

https://fxtwitter.com/N_Tys26/status/1777126153825992779?t=D17RYqlg9gITBUxuQLjXLA&s=19

[spice spire]

Ur ahead of solaria.
I believe in you

[maiden rover]

If we can get to last phase tonight I think we’ll be able to get the kill next week.

[vestal wren]

you can do it

[sharp viper]

wait a second that's heroic

[void mesa]

Yeah, the furry kill is H, not M

[vestal wren]

oh, damn

i was baited

[void mesa]

Its like a 10 animal roster

[vestal wren]

well at least they put on a show

[void mesa]

Not even sure if it isnt N

But just from the screenshot my phone can load, dps was mid. 10 stacks of bite on the tanks x)

But yeah, definitely a show, that's for sure

[gusty mirage]

I didn't hear anything

don't slander my name

[royal lantern]

most normal feral player

[spice spire]

I’d never. Forgot you don’t join vc

[gusty mirage]

I'm shy

[spice spire]

Ur cute

[shy pecan]

Sup Quack

[spice spire]

[shy pecan]

[royal lantern]

you know

im impressed with the suit part

cus bruh, thats some bigtime handicap there

[shy pecan]

Tryan knows from experience

[royal lantern]

the furry part is w/e cus wow is choke full with them lol

[royal lantern]

bruh its just

imagine playing a game on your PC with a frking helmet+facemask on lol

[shy pecan]

[thorn fjord]

This not how you play CS?

IMMERSION

[woeful meteor]

normal*

[royal lantern]

imagine wearing that while playing wow

cus thats what they did there

lol

[vestal wren]

these suits are hella expensive from what i hear

[royal lantern]

(those masks suck for welding btw, dont use them)

[royal lantern]

i mean, you gotta remember

its a custom tailored full body suit/costume

ofc its expensive

[spice surge]

Bro looks like hes gonna ult botlane once he hits 6

[vestal wren]

https://tenor.com/view/zed-gif-27511766

[royal lantern]

its called League cus its a big L

[vestal wren]

its a good game, but has a problematic community

what seems to be the case with each game with a huge playerbase

[royal lantern]

except the good game part

[vestal wren]

you are correct

minecraft does not suffer from this problem

good game + huge playerbase + not as problematic

[rotund oak]

annie objects to your cynicism https://media.giphy.com/media/peFyOlBKSb2ptNZ8mg/giphy.gif?cid=790b7611qytlo35z8oxooto9ftfh3nk63zq1hxhg60agrgdt&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

[fallow canopy]

does that mean that Wow its a big... nvm surely not

[gusty mirage]

that is how I play wow

wdym

[glossy dust]

Is there a reason why in the guide opener youd garotte again with vanish in the kb window? Doenst garotting after Dance not allready apply improved garotte?

[gilded oasis]

garrote after vanish extends it

[glossy dust]

so that it ticks beyond the KB window?

[royal lantern]

so the blizz 5g waves dont touch your face

smart

[glossy dust]

do i allways finish on 4 or more cp's? even with pooling?

[worthy cobalt]

Is it just me or are we getting 2 combo points from stealthed garotte sometimes? Is it a bug or somehing I've missed?

[worthy cobalt]

Yeah, 2+1 = 3

but I could swear I get 2 sometimes

yeah it happened again

but i actually got 3 then 1 got removed

HUH

[strange python]

do we get more with PI than unholy dk/arms at execute phase?

[gusty mirage]

oh that's deathmark duplicating your garrote and giving you an extra CP sometimes

it's janky af

sometimes it'll give you 4 CP for a garrote too

[worthy cobalt]

no way jose, it just happened again. Stealth -> spam garotte on a boss. No other buff/debuffs

but yeah ok

[gusty mirage]

oh then yeah I got nothing

[worthy cobalt]

thanks for confirming the jank, i was getting gaslighted by myself

[gusty mirage]

maybe it's scuffed like premed is for sub

[spice surge]

Are you attacking a pvp dummy

[gusty mirage]

do they still have pvp specific dummies?

(shows you the last time I hit a target dummy)

[spice surge]

Yes, and often whenever you hit dummies in valdrakken it triggers the pvp things even though you dont actually hit the dummies

[worthy cobalt]

nope, currently in a BFA raid. But i think i've seen it in raids / m+ too

[gusty mirage]

honestly I just accept the weird shit that happens openly these days

I just embrace it

like when premed doesn't proc for me on sub and I just don't refresh snd

I'm like yeah okay that's neat

[gaunt moat]

That's a new record for me

[gilded oasis]

pog

[slim hamlet]

I love wowhead

[glossy dust]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[gaunt sigil]

I got firestorms on my opener DM and tornadoes on my last dm on my first myth kill on assa

[royal lantern]

mate, its parses in this season

[gaunt sigil]

Real

[royal lantern]

could have get none of those and get a worse parse

RNG gamba

[gaunt sigil]

Yeah I think I’m done with assa going into s4

I loved it in S2 but KB is pain

[spice spire]

Blocked

[gaunt sigil]

[burnt latch]

Abuse of power is for the weak

[slim hamlet]

That is the wildest thing I have ever read

Hating KB but loved DTB

[gaunt sigil]

[woeful meteor]

rare herbie sighting

[spice spire]

Miss u(s)

[spice surge]

Im not a huge fan of KB either, i like big burst but big garrotes are more fun to me

Deathmark is cool as heck

[burnt latch]

miss u(s)

[spice spire]

[burnt latch]

Remember

Brave men dont bully

They protect

[spice spire]

Real

[burnt latch]

No u

[spice spire]

No

Us

[burnt latch]

🤝

[maiden rover]

Quake bullied me….said he needed to get a pack of smokes and never returned 😞

[spice spire]

Damn

[royal lantern]

im still waiting for him too come back with the milk

[quiet oar]

And im waiting for him to come back with some eggs

[maiden rover]

Dang quake just never comes…

Back

[trim zinc]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shy pecan]

MakeItQuack will return one day

[runic hinge]

makeit

[maiden rover]

Wish he’d make me quake

[gusty mirage]

I miss you

[spice spire]

[spice spire]

Maybe

[shy pecan]

[glossy dust]

Is it with sin the same that as soon as dance/subterfuge fades the dot also ticks for less (without nightstalker)?

[vestal wren]

nightstalker snapshots

so they stay the same

[royal lantern]

no, they decided to bring back fucking snapshots cus they have 0 clue what they are doing 🙂

[glossy dust]

lol what

[royal lantern]

nightstalker snapshots

[glossy dust]

ah nvm it prob does for sub the same

but sin doesnt have the 30% dmg from dance

[vestal wren]

yes

[glossy dust]

i mixxed somenthing up mybad

[vestal wren]

nighstalker snapshots on all 3 specs

finality for subtlety snapshots too

[clever sapphire]

outlaw snapshots

letsgo

[vestal wren]

same with the improved garrote damage talents on assasssination

[glossy dust]

ye but that happens naturaly if you play finality correct

[vestal wren]

well, the probelm is, you don't rly have something to snapshot

[glossy dust]

from what i see the way sin plays you have to do that "manually" for garotte as for sub it happens naturaly

[vestal wren]

the optimizations around finality are likely good as a consequence of snapshotting

[glossy dust]

8% aint nothing

crazy tho mad respect that people come up with this stuff by just trial and error

[vestal wren]

its testing, we usually spend quite some time looking at how things are implemented

still happens that things are missed or break from unrelated changes

[glossy dust]

theres quite a few possibilities to play so thats alot of testing

[clever sapphire]

there are enough people messing around on ptr usually that you find out a lot of basic stuff

[vestal wren]

most things are tested on purpose

Bugs - Subtlety Rogue

^ documenting them took a while, i also need to test things again in season 4

and add some new things potentially

[glossy dust]

ye but imagine gameplay changes significantly - now u have to consider how cd's go together - how and what can be snapshoted - then which order youd press stuff

sounds like alot to me

[clever sapphire]

ya, many people enjoy testing that out

[vestal wren]

optimizing is part of the game, some love it others hate it

assassiantion has good design for that tho

[glossy dust]

i mean i can understand smaller rotationwhise optimazation that is fun but like from scratch

[vestal wren]

optimizations only opt for a small part of the damage of the spec, so even if you simplify the spec your performance will still be decent/good

[royal lantern]

and then the rng happens

[glossy dust]

idk for me atleast optimazing for most possible dmg is the most fun - if u lose by procs then w.e i guess

[vestal wren]

thats part of game design

[glossy dust]

theres no point (for me atleast) to play it at a decent lvl either do it or dont

[austere sorrel]

I'll never be proud of another KB i deliver after seeing that 9.6 earlier

[vestal wren]

you would be surprised how good your perfoamance can be even making mistakes

[austere sorrel]

All my kingsbanes are more like princebanes now

[vestal wren]

but yes, all specs suffer from some form of rng

maybe it becomes less in tww

[glossy dust]

Does anyone have that Wa for how much dmg the KB did? I couldnt find it here under Wa

i didnt check wago yet tbf

[runic hinge]

Maybe they make MA 100% crit for 5 seconds

That could help a little

[royal lantern]

https://wago.io/PFTo3o6Ug

it doesnt only track the dmg btw, it also shows the timer for tea and vanish with a yellow and blue glow

[glossy dust]

just found it too^^ ill prob just use it to see how much dmg it does

kinda want to use the normal wa for it

[royal lantern]

my record was a 5.3m one on fyrakk

ofc you can get higher numbers on bosses with dmg amps, but honestly think you cant really go much higher then the 5.3m one on a normal fight lol

[glossy dust]

hopefully zac set that right up

[royal lantern]

trusting zac

[glossy dust]

i mean his like SUF is super clean i like it alot

but the stuff that has like duration on it are often small as bars u have to figure out first

[shy pecan]

[royal lantern]

french AND a yellow name

he just waits for you too turn around

[glossy dust]

does the KB tracker show for you all the time @royal lantern ?

[royal lantern]

just put it too load in combat only

[glossy dust]

hm it should load like this too tho

weird

[shy pecan]

*to

[glossy dust]

It says this for the KB window in opener: During Vanish you will want to refresh Garrote for Improved Garrote and continue to use Ambush and Envenom - isnt garotte allready improved trough Dance -> garotte?

theres also quiet some garotes in THe KB window for Aoe opener - is that to just spread improved garotes across the mobs?