assassination

[slim pebble]

I have no idea but I think it’s what happened to the hamster running wow

[limpid ridge]

It'd be too long for your screen to display,sorry m8

[knotty dome]

i agree with you

[balmy condor]

Can’t find the spell id idk

[thorn fjord]

its the shaky leg

[limpid ridge]

Did you try to ambush

nvm

[slate crown]

It's one of those older events that doesn't file to combat log, not a spell. https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/DUEL_FINISHED if u want more info. DUEL_FINISHED

[limpid ridge]

[storm hedge]

Are there any ideas why the servers are down?

[thorn fjord]

Hampster died

[finite echo]

#wow-general message

[slim pebble]

The hamster exploded, they’re going to get a new one

[thorn fjord]

Too much vinager and baking soda

[burnt venture]

||https://tenor.com/view/wet-water-squirt-gif-26218221|| Edit: NSFW

[glass junco]

do we want to dot the 3rd target on council?

[slim hamlet]

if u can do it without losing gcd's

dont run to africa for a dot

[glass junco]

SS and then back I guess

[jovial spear]

Lucked out with some nice bracers with socket on them. Should I then craft the belt instead?

[slim hamlet]

u are gonna be using SS a lot in that fight anyways

Better to just have it to actually get on a boss imo

[balmy condor]

yeah that's fine

[jovial spear]

ty 🙂

[spring locust]

any wise person to tell me what the numbers in parentheses are for?

[slate crown]

Number of unique targets hit during window

[spring locust]

oh

thanks!

[slate crown]

np

[blazing jewel]

my rogue is being declined from 20s

I blame whispyr

[winter gale]

Can I sim hissing vs buzzing?

[cursive owl]

rip

[finite echo]

yea

show more options

[winter gale]

Gracias

Can I sim purely for that or all gems, enchants etc will affect the decision?

@finite echo

[amber hill]

Turn off all the buffs you dont want in that same spot you choose the Rune

[winter gale]

Ok

[rain oyster]

20s are the new 15s

[spice spire]

Nah those bozos know scanar- stormrage

[pine dew]

envenom in m+ with 5 or 4 cp?

[forest notch]

splatter worth on Fyrakk? I guess it really depends on the tanks etc?

[amber hill]

If you really need the cleave on spirits maybe, but other classes have much higher aoe without relying on mass grips to make it viable

[winter gale]

48 dps difference

It's the same for me I guess

[forest notch]

thats what I was thinking

[amber hill]

Hissing is more consistent as your crit will never be 100% so RNG could decide to make those crits not happen, or happen more often

[rain oyster]

It either crits or it doesn’t

[spice spire]

Truly a 50/50 if I’ve ever seen one

[shy pecan]

You’re 50/50

[spice spire]

That’s being generous

I’m a 1/99 at best

[runic hinge]

You parse 💯 in my heart

[fervent ember]

hi i have a problem with my corrosiv blast or else i'm the problem xD i've watched a lot of rogue videos where she's 2nd in dps but on my details she never appears

[south wing]

tf is corrosive blast

[fervent ember]

https://www.wowhead.com/classic/fr/spell=429154/explosion-caustique

[south wing]

Oh

[fervent ember]

idk name in eng xD

sry

[thorny aurora]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[south wing]

they’re funneling damage into aoe from kingsbane with caustic spatter

[runic hinge]

Make sure you’re pressing mutilate on your main target

[south wing]

just do your single target rotation in aoe with caustic spatter up and you’ll see it pump

most stuff dies in lower keys before we can setup so that might be a contributing factor

[amber hill]

Do you need Kingsbane on before Caustic or doesn't matter it'll snapshot after?

[thorny aurora]

Can someone create a thread for me to post a log for some reviewing please?

[fervent ember]

oh so in single target caustic is usless ?

[subtle tundra]

💀

[neat plank]

yep, so you use internal bleeding

[winter gale]

Any insider tip for Nymue M?

;D

[fervent ember]

oh thats the reasons why in single i didnt see him xD

[south wing]

reading tooltips helps to understand what things do

[thorny aurora]

soak red stuff, don't eat lasers

[winter gale]

Im 1st and 2nd right add and last Im mid, soakin' cloakin'

[thorny aurora]

ye i was right 1rst middle 2nd right 3rd

keep cloak and sprint for the soak

dm+kingsbane on boss, kingsbane only on add

[fervent ember]

and i have a last question for m+ i use this talent tree but in single i make only 110k dps but in aoe i can go like 300k

[winter gale]

❤️

[thorny aurora]

get to 6cp on boss before it imunes and you leave so you can garrote rupture double mutilate envenom kingsbane on adds

[south wing]

yes that is arterial build

[fervent ember]

so make 110k on single and 300k on aoe is descent ?

[south wing]

could be depending on what you’re simming

[limpid ridge]

Getting in Smolderon pugs is insane

[fervent ember]

on my last key +18 i make that in atal

[plain onyx]

do i use Shiv out side of kb+sd ? or leave it only for these two talents ?

[south wing]

had a dude scoop both trinkets and made the whole raid disband

[limpid ridge]

Well my groups so far died to first p2 every time so

[limber acorn]

For learning sin, are lower keys kind of trash because that trash die too fast?

[south wing]

that sounds about right for pugging lower keys

[neat horizon]

is it normal for dbt m+ build to sim more than AP build ?

[fervent ember]

okay but if i want to go further ?

[neat horizon]

for dslice

[south wing]

I don’t understand your question

[fervent ember]

and im 466 ilv

[south wing]

if you’re 466 with 4pc you should be doing more than 100k st 300k aoe

[fervent ember]

hmm

[limpid ridge]

300k aoe is kinda low

[kind falcon]

generally speaking, on the scale of 1-10 how bad are 2 on-use trinkets?

[south wing]

Sim your toon friend

[gusty mirage]

you do not, only time you'd ever consider it is in m+ when you need to soothe something but sounds like not your problem cause shiv is a DPS cooldown for assa

[neat horizon]

is it normal for dbt m+ build to sim more than AP build in dslice?

[plain onyx]

alright, got it 🫡

[south wing]

bad overall really stinky for sin since we want stuff to line up with our burst

[kind falcon]

oof

[south wing]

lot of people running mirror with their branch though just because they have it

[thorny aurora]

talking about nymue
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KczMbPnhFVH8ZWJ4#fight=6&type=damage-done
could someone help me review our kill? trying to understand what i'm missing to get that extra missing dps

[gusty mirage]

whispyr went on a giant rant about it a few days ago, the tldr was the way dslice works certain things will sim better than others because of the way the sim is set up. So realistically, it's a play what you feel like angle (Personally, I like dtb on spiteful weeks cause double non-lethals and crippling saves your life sometimes)

they're all within a margin where it's legit preference/group comp style thing

[plain onyx]

no matter what build im playing right ? arterial or hybrid, only use shiv for kb+sd?

[drifting cedar]

guys can we run both ashes and branch?

[gusty mirage]

it's why people see zerocool playing that build and are like wait hol' up

and it works for him

[gusty mirage]

ye regardless of build, you only shiv w/ Kingsbane

[gusty mirage]

I would not recommend running double on use

[limpid ridge]

How about um.idk, telling that one lock to turn his display on

[neat horizon]

i see, ty

[low sable]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[limpid ridge]

Nvm, was looking at larodar

Ending on burst is a good way to inflate your funny number

[tame wyvern]

Do you play around sanguine blades by making 50% your fake 0 energy?

[limpid ridge]

no

[tame wyvern]

Ty ❤️

[limpid ridge]

Pog got accepted

[undone ore]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[glass junco]

what the fuck is causing the bastard council bear to not charge and dryad wiping the group?

[clever sapphire]

on mythic?

[manic quartz]

i actually enjoyed council on mythic, everyone else hated it 😄

[rotund wagon]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[clever sapphire]

i would assume he is ulting

[thorny aurora]

does anyone have tips for M larodar? i see that cd usage is probably pull - 2m30 - 4m30? are you guys doing some orbs soaks? which?

[clever sapphire]

im giving you my crown as the most cursed person

fuck that boss

[manic quartz]

idk , i liked it, i hate nymue and its fucking green hell

also my priest said im out of range for PI at the start and gave it to destro lock lmao

[eternal nymph]

does fear sigil... wipe bleeds?

[runic hinge]

Maybe

[royal needle]

Just wondering now that I have 4 piece tier should I be pooling energy for the envenoms to chain them?

[eternal nymph]

like, I open on the pack

he fears

all bleeds gone

ik that you can't apply while they're feared

or some shit like that

but removing existing ones

that's cooked

[blazing jewel]

delay your second kb slightly because the boss is going to charge

rest of cds should line up

[clever sapphire]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[manic quartz]

During CD's slam it, no CD's chain envenoms so that they clip at the end, unless youre about to be energy capped then just slam it.

[blazing jewel]

was in a key so couldnt really respond

you will gain orb stacks through cloak

[royal needle]

Sounds good thanks!

[blazing jewel]

but still worth to cloak the ones you can

[thorny aurora]

my guild is attributing orbs soak to increase our dps
i've been assigned to the 2m and 4m ones but I never have my cds

[blazing jewel]

the orbs are a permanent buff

they put a pretty big dot on you for 10s

which is why its worth to cloak

but the actual damage buff you get is permanent

[static glacier]

yo how do we sim races

[balmy condor]

bloodmallet

[thorny aurora]

no its not

it lasts 10s?

or are we not talking about the same thing?

talking about blazing coalescence on larodar M

[blazing jewel]

yes I know

the damage buff stays

the dot is 10s

[glass junco]

Yeah is it bugged

?

[dapper zodiac]

guys do you spam mutilates when kingsbane rotation is up or ambush for the energy?

like kingsbane is running mutilate for more poison procs?

[blazing jewel]

here is boss at 5% with a 3stack of the debuff

[cinder thicket]

ye the debuff stay but not the 20% crit

[thorny aurora]

i was litteraly pulling my hair off

ye thank you

that's why you have to put different people

[cinder thicket]

i mean you can get 3 stacks of the debuff at the end

but the crit is only for 10sec as far as i can see it between the pulls here

[thorny aurora]

so i guess the best thing is to get the 1m30 one to sync with kingsbane right?

[keen spruce]

the orb buffs on the boss are temporary

[thorny aurora]

since you cant kb at 1m15 because of the charge

[keen spruce]

he gets the permenant buff from this blasty AoE thing

[blazing jewel]

im checking logs now

[keen spruce]

which is the p1 soft enrage

[blazing jewel]

I was told it was permanent

[keen spruce]

those 3 stacks are from his 3 aoe pulse phasey things

while you hide in the bush

orbs just give him a temporary damage buff

[gusty mirage]

you can during deathmark if you'd like, it's a super small optimization

I just ambush cause I'm lazy

[keen spruce]

oh @blazing jewel SOAKING an orb

gives you a permenant debuff

yes

the boss eating an orb doesn't give him a permenant buff

i misunderstood

everlasting blaze is permenant ye

[blazing jewel]

Dungeon journal for larodar sucks

[keen spruce]

so you can really only eat two orbs

and i'm cloaking orb #2

[blazing jewel]

You can go higher with cloak

I think on my sub kill I did orb 1 2 and 4

Because dust cdr

[keen spruce]

i'm just doin 2/4

if you soak 3 orbs

you'll be takin over 200k dps

for 10s

if that's multiplicative

which i assume it is

[forest notch]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[keen spruce]

which is livable

but not very cash money

[gusty mirage]

@blazing jewel how do they nerf tindral

legit question

there's the obvious, 5s for seeds in p2 like p3

less root health

but how do you make it so you don't want to jump in front of a moving semi truck

[thorny aurora]

so 1min and 2min?

[blazing jewel]

Remove the entire last platform

[pure bridge]

Got guildies who "steal" the orbs and wonder why they insta die.

[gusty mirage]

I loved people stealing my orbs

like homie you can have that 20% crit

enjoy

[blazing jewel]

Tindral is just bad because it’s 7mins straight of pass fail mechanics every 20s and if any one person fails the whole raid wipes

[gusty mirage]

then when it was their soak they'd get 1 shot

and be shocked

[keen spruce]

i dunno when

bigwigs yells at me

and i go grab orb

[gusty mirage]

its okay I'm sure someone will come in and tell us we're wrong

that it's a good boss

because they're mentally ill

[blazing jewel]

Like think of nelth

If a bomb person fails

Most of the time it was 2 deaths

[thorny aurora]

your rl doesn't line it up with your cds?

[blazing jewel]

Not 20

[gusty mirage]

I'm a huge fan of the firebeams being bigger than the visual

10/10

cause they're moving

[thorny aurora]

they tried to give me the crit bonus at 2min and 4min but since i cd at 2min30 and 4min30 well...

[simple ore]

you mean 90% of aoes in wow? :^)

[blazing jewel]

I think I convinced our hpal to give me autumn on tindral

[gusty mirage]

I'm watching poor zac slowly lose his mind

[keen spruce]

I don't think those orbs line up with CDs anyways

but also no

boss isn't a damage check

we're more worried about people just doing the hose correctly

[thorny aurora]

well 3rd orb spawn lines up with my 2nd kingsbane

[blazing jewel]

He loves dust

[keen spruce]

i honestly didn't even know that orbs gave you a buff

until this conversation rn

[thorny aurora]

so i'm trying to get my rl to comply

[gusty mirage]

brother I don't think spec is why he's losing his mind

[thorny aurora]

but he doesn't want to 😠

[keen spruce]

I dont' think it matters tbh

you can also just

[thorny aurora]

yeah our second hose is always fucking up

[keen spruce]

yoink an orb

if you want it

[thorny aurora]

ye i'm looking at top logs and they all have different soak timers outside of cds so it looks like it doesn't matter

thanks!

[blazing jewel]

@keen spruce you will be playing sub on smolderon

I demand to see it

[chrome nacelle]

What’s the math on the Kingsbane nerf ?

[keen spruce]

I don't wanna

[blazing jewel]

[keen spruce]

we'll see how cursed assas is

and i'll switch

if i must

but we gotta kill larry and nymue

[blazing jewel]

Not really a damage check if everyone has a pulse at the end of the fight

With current gear

[keen spruce]

bruther we got CE in like sept

we barely have a pulse on pull

[blazing jewel]

We love half dead raiders

[chrome nacelle]

Dang we got CE in November.

[keen spruce]

we do have big bonker UHDK

and he's gettin buffed

[quiet oar]

Its Not as Bad as it seems

For one boss

[south wing]

[keen spruce]

me one trick

it's definitely as bad as it seems

might as well ask me to play arcane mage

[quiet oar]

Didnt you push as sub last season

[limpid ridge]

go play ww

[keen spruce]

yeah in keys

that's 2 buttons

[limpid ridge]

[keen spruce]

storm/BP to 3200

[quiet oar]

Sectech????

[keen spruce]

sure why not

[south wing]

just to spice things up

[blazing jewel]

Shmeeps just wants PI

So he’s staying sin

[quiet oar]

Just for you ill change the C to an x

[keen spruce]

[keen spruce]

truuuuuuuu

if they take it away for a whole boss

they might forget to give it back

[quiet oar]

True

Or be like the priest in our raid

Just rng the pi between the two rogues

And let the two rogues have i consistent pulls

[waxen oyster]

the real tragedy would be being assigned a PI buddy priest

[quiet oar]

[waxen oyster]

and you get assigned the floorpov priest

[keen spruce]

i have trusty priest

i even traded in my spriest

for a disc

this week

[quiet oar]

Thsts every priest

[keen spruce]

[waxen oyster]

isnt it great that priests

having the greatest visual announcer they died to something stupid

i just see a giant angel on my screen

[quiet oar]

Only holys

But Yeah

It can get pretty annoying

[hasty gate]

!pool

[south wing]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[south wing]

[waxen oyster]

the worst is priests in pug keys

me when i get PI on my first global from stealth

[keen spruce]

i don't even track when i'm getting pi

it's too upsetting in keys

[waxen oyster]

yeah same

[south wing]

y’all get pi in pug keys??

[keen spruce]

or when someone lusts when you have like 35s until DM

and it's like... sir my CDs and the DH's CDs are basically lined up the whole dungeon

[amber fossil]

I see the guide for rotation says to spend cps for fan, rupture enven at 4cp on aoe fights. Are we trying to spend at 6 for single target fights?

[keen spruce]

and the Aug is lined up with us for breath

so like...

WTF you lusting bud

?!

[waxen oyster]

idk i only check if i got PI

after pulls

[crimson zephyr]

any tips on how to play smolderon? should I wait for when he's in the middle to do all my stuff and go crazy?

[limpid ridge]

You mean your shit that aligns for that anyways?

Yeah you should

yoink orbs,go brr

[crimson zephyr]

what?

I mean if I rank up everything and wanan go crazy during kingsbane I usually can't because the shit on the floor needs to be dodged, fire swirlies or I get the circle etc. 😦 but thanks, will do that now then

[limpid ridge]

?

You can keep full uptime there

[marble hemlock]

Send on pull and on cooldown

[limpid ridge]

Shadowstep sure comes in handy

[marble hemlock]

If we're talking mythic, I mean

[still tide]

Get that mouse over macro

[burnt venture]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[crimson zephyr]

if I do that, there's a50% chance all my CD's are for nothing because I get the circle thing and have to disconnect for ages to drop it

[limpid ridge]

?

Tell your raid to gtfo and leave space for melee

or just assert dominance

[crimson zephyr]

ok true, I'm pugging atm and try to be a gud boi by placing it at the edge but it's like a queue 😦 so it takes ages. Problem found, ty.

[limpid ridge]

fuck pugs

greed that shit

[ancient kraken]

2nd 2 mins you have to insta send after fast bait

like step and send

[crimson zephyr]

one of the only ways to practice assa in raid atm for me. but true.

[limpid ridge]

So I just got kicked out of a HC Smolderon pug for being #4 dps

[crimson zephyr]

bait? I just came back and never did much pve. what's bait?

[balmy condor]

[crimson zephyr]

I got kicked from normal because I was saved and told them I'm only in the raid to practice. 🙂

[ancient kraken]

to control where the fire spawns

[limpid ridge]

Lava Geyser bait

after all the other shit goes off

it targets ppl

[crimson zephyr]

didn't know that. so the fire swirlies go random and then targeted?

[limpid ridge]

The puddles that stay on the floor

randomly target the raid

[crimson zephyr]

so the tornados target the raid as soon as they spawm from their small puddle?

[limpid ridge]

Uhh Tornadoes?

You mean the stuff that spawns in hc after dropping your puddle?

[crimson zephyr]

the flame things

yeah

[limpid ridge]

no those aint random

AFTER that

[amber fossil]

what are you guys macroing bomb disp to if you dotn run cold blood?

[limpid ridge]

Lava Geyser happens, the ground aoes that stay on the arena and make it smaller

those target random ppl in the raid

[limber lion]

[crimson zephyr]

ah yeah that true

[balmy condor]

bro's still in march

[amber fossil]

lol yeah, no luck on trink drops and I came back from outlaw

but thx for the callout

[balmy condor]

yeah, assumed you've not play assa given the cold blood

just macro to envenom I guess

[limber lion]

Yeh wasn't sure if trolling or for real

[balmy condor]

I thought it was an elaborate troll too

[limpid ridge]

Macro it to Stealth

[amber fossil]

not my style 😉

I was always sin since vanilla, but played outlaw last patch. Grapple was so fun to play with it was hard to come back

[keen spruce]

[cold sparrow]

Hello I have a question, when DM/KB come up and rupture is about to run out, do we rupture and then KB > spam envenom (no envenom buff before KB) for 4p, or envenom before for the buff and apply rupture during shadow dance?
And if envenom buff is not up when KB comes off CD, do we envenom once before or just go into KB > envenom spam? Not sure how much % it is, but just curious for optimizations

[gentle badger]

sin nerfs go through tomorrow on NA right?

[nova kelp]

yep

[limber lion]

You would just Rupture first, then Envenom, then use your cds

There's no rush in using your cds, just get your stuff up first before that happens

Obviously the faster the better, but you want everything up before you start slamming down KB's and DM's

[amber fossil]

I see the guide for rotation says to spend cps for fan, rupture enven at 4cp on aoe fights. Are we trying to spend at 6 for single target fights? Is it much loss to spend at 5cp?

[limber lion]

Always every finisher (except Slice) at 4+

You do not forcefully go to 5-6CP

[amber fossil]

ok the guide only menmtioned 4cp for aoe. TY for the clarification

[limber lion]

which guide

[amber fossil]

wowhead

[limber lion]

Doubt it

[cold sparrow]

alright ty ty 👍

[limpid ridge]

Thats ST

[amber fossil]

is that from the rotation page? Mine shows a little different

[limpid ridge]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

Yes

[amber fossil]

I see that for "Assassination Rogue AoE Opener Rotation".

Look above that for the ST rotation

The only cps mentioned for ST are mut to 5 before envenom

[marble hemlock]

What

[balmy condor]

you said cds on pull

[marble hemlock]

Ye

[gusty mirage]

you KB > DM + KB during intermission and rotate until boss dead

[balmy condor]

on smold

[marble hemlock]

You lose a DM that way

[gusty mirage]

yeah

[balmy condor]

correct

[marble hemlock]

Like

[balmy condor]

but it's worth cause the intermission damage

[marble hemlock]

I played the only kb on pull

For like 50 pulls

[limpid ridge]

You mean this?

[marble hemlock]

Then looked at what nocni did and sent on pull, and it ended up being better

[limpid ridge]

If you do your opener, your rupture is at 5 already

hence it isnt mentioned

[balmy condor]

yeah but it isn't better

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-yoda-drink-sip-blink-the-mandalorian-gif-16043305

[nova kelp]

oh fuck, mom and dad are fighting

*presses vanish

[amber fossil]

yes, it doesnt specify how many to spend like it does in the aoe section, which is why I asked here for clarification

[marble hemlock]

Based on what bloodlust timing?

[limpid ridge]

If you do Garrote -> Ambush you automatically are at max cp

[balmy condor]

3rd intermission

[limpid ridge]

thats why it isnt specified

AoE is different

[marble hemlock]

I mean it's either 1 dm with 100% buff, or 2 without

How much difference was it in the Sims, cause I can't imagine it was a lot

[simple ore]

tried out the SBS build on volcoross tonight, feels pretty good

[marble hemlock]

Certainly felt better when sending on pull+CD since breath is used on pull as well

[vapid skiff]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[marble hemlock]

(I think at least, would have to check)

Hunters/wl get em in 1st intermission, so popping CDs there seems... Not optimal

[gusty mirage]

like

the aug buffs?

[marble hemlock]

Ye

[gusty mirage]

y'all trying to 800 iq playing the inferior spec on smolderon is kinda funny

ngl

[marble hemlock]

There's some weird mirror scaling with smoldy buffs

[versed mica]

@balmy condor I have something funny to show you but it will make you feel pain, you wanna see?

[marble hemlock]

So it does like 10mil dam

[reef rivet]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/V2a6PYCJwGA7qpLn#fight=9&playermetric=dps&type=damage-done&source=56

Can anyone give me some insight on what can I do to improve my damage? I've seen multiple rogues with a much higher crit percentage on kingsbane, and after trying to use vanish and shadow dance to improve mine but it seems I'm still doing something wrong. Maybe it's a stat issue?

Apologies if this isn't the right channel to ask this question.

[nova kelp]

So @marble hemlock you find full sending smould ON pull is better? I keep getting fucked by random mechanics, but that might be because we're not there in mythic yet and hero has 5 billion people in it...

[blazing jewel]

Explain

[marble hemlock]

https://puu.sh/JVWja/712ac80d6b.png

This was our em values

With me sending on pull

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-donkey-that-is-nasty-gif-22862622

[marble hemlock]

But I hard trolled and didn't use trinket on 2nd and fourth dm

[nova kelp]

I might have to try again, I've been soft sending on pull and waiting for orbs

or just... sub it

[marble hemlock]

Just play sub like

[nova kelp]

sub atm is just like full send 24/7

[marble hemlock]

You can do competitive damage to it with pi and perma prescience

But you're just taking damage away from other classes

[nova kelp]

shhhh no

don't say that

if they don't notice you're sub, it's on them

[marble hemlock]

Idk how it works

[cinder quartz]

if i suck at kiting branch orbs it's probably better to not combo with DM and just use later eh?

[versed mica]

False

[cinder quartz]

just accept my suckiness?

[versed mica]

Simply Get good

[blazing jewel]

Login it’s time for tindral 📈

[versed mica]

I think grabbing all three orbs instantly with DM is better than without DM

[cinder quartz]

i tried to get good but it's a needle in the haystack situation for my flourescent-riddled eyes

[marble hemlock]

its some weird double dipping

on smolldy

[blazing jewel]

Double dipping on damage amps? That has never happened this tier smh

[cinder quartz]

like i'd think DM->Shiv->Dance/KB->Garrote->envenom->branch should buy me enough time that i can natty collect orbs and still get buff on the last tick

[nova kelp]

whispyr has been "is typing..." for a WHILE
brace yourselves for impact

https://tenor.com/view/god-help-us-holy-trinity-cross-blessing-vinny-gif-13920130

[somber sparrow]

it's going to be a gif

[nova kelp]

a cat gif

[cinder quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-mushroom-cloud-atomic-bomb-bomb-boom-gif-4464831

[versed mica]

It was after I @'d them too I'm worried I'm in trouble and they are typing a long roast post LOL

[runic hinge]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[cinder quartz]

it's actually a water bottle fell on his keyboard

the suspense is killing me...

[blazing jewel]

New pin incoming

[slate talon]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[marble hemlock]

but ye anyway. for personal DPS, sending DM on 1st and 3rd intermission is better from what i remember (dunno by how much), but for our comp (and i would assume most comps) youre basically gonna have to desync cooldowns to some extent to get full EM value. 2min classes work well for that cause you get shit back for 3rd intermission anyway, and it just ends up being a tradeoff of one 100% boosted DM, vs 2 nonboosted ones (but you can get EM/Pi on pull which is also better for the healer cuz they get PI when they actually need it between phases)

[balmy condor]

aight well seli just answered his own question then

[marble hemlock]

either way, the only proper answer to "how do i use cds as assa on smolderon" is... you spec sub

[balmy condor]

cause the EM value is strictly higher if you play around the intermission

[marble hemlock]

ye, problem is youre limited to 4 EMs

[versed mica]

Well that was underwhelming

[marble hemlock]

and the other classes want it too

[balmy condor]

okay?

you're prio on it though

[marble hemlock]

sure

[blazing jewel]

Rogues are hero classes we get them

[balmy condor]

I mean in theory yes, on cooldown is indentical

if it weren't for externals

[marble hemlock]

well

[balmy condor]

that's the thing that pushes it over

[marble hemlock]

you ahve hunters mark on pull

[balmy condor]

you're not seriously going to tell me hunters mark is the deciding factor are you

[marble hemlock]

weeeeeellll

if were looking at it in a vaccuum, it is!

[balmy condor]

aight I'm gonna go back to doing chores then

[marble hemlock]

2 DMs at 50% value or 1 DM at 100% value., but one of the 50% DMs has hunters mark on top!

[balmy condor]

lmao

[versed mica]

@balmy condor
Posting this because funny but I'm also wondering if sin loses more dps from not getting restealths after rework.
Assuming not much if anything

[shy pecan]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[marble hemlock]

but nah basically... the way it works out for aug buffs etc., theres a big lull on pull and at 2min20 right after intermission, where no one sends anything. so we can, and we dont really lose any damage doing so, meaning more aug value for the entire fight for the entire raid

[versed mica]

Okay yeah I knew it lmfao

[amber fossil]

has anyone found a way for the garr icon in Afenar WA to be shown diff when empowered? I keep overwriting it

[balmy condor]

that does remind me though

to check if my evokers were trolling

[marble hemlock]

mine were

but like

[balmy condor]

cause sometimes I ain't convinced that they're playing around the intermissions with me

[marble hemlock]

if you get funneled and shit, you can do sub dps

i omega trolled on our kill

only used ashes twice instead of 4 times

and still had spatter instead of IB

but nocni did 285k on their rekill, theres only a handful of sub logs ahead of it... (he uses on pull as well)

i trolled here without using trinket, but you can see theres a big gap after 1st intermission. i honestly think some classes would be better off not popping in 1st+3rd, instead using on pull and 2min again, and actually get aug buffs for it. i cant imagine it'll do less damage than sending for the amp phases only
http://puu.sh/JVYJS/6485ae4ff1.png

[ancient kraken]

on pull feels better also because if you start KB only, you have to send KB 2nd intermission, and keeping uptime there sucks

[marble hemlock]

that too, ye

[royal lantern]

mate, augvokers aint playing around shit lol

[marble hemlock]

its really easy though

[royal lantern]

it is

[marble hemlock]

with wowanalyzer and the WA

its like

[royal lantern]

still have too find 1 that does

[marble hemlock]

0 braincells involved

[royal lantern]

like

augvokers are the WORST players

by far

0awarnes

they just press shit

6/9mythic and uses breath of eons just not during a smoldy intermission, and then uses it at the last 2seconds

thats aug players

[blazing jewel]

Had to tell ours to track flag instead of blades because by the time they used breath me and the other rogue were halfway through our burst

[marble hemlock]

ye

most pulls

i dont have the breath shit up

for the last few KB ticks

[sonic schooner]

I ve seen aug pressing breath on pulls on Morchie and tells me "i have to to extend ebon might"

wdym bro boss stays for 5s

just hold breath and em

and that was on a 26 btw, not a 20 weekly thing

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/JVYLl/01fe965156.png
no infernos blessing/shifting sands

[timber meadow]

not bad, i honestly think as keys get bigger assa can compete with hunters... they got burst for days but when were getting full longer kb's off on packs we can hang for sure

[royal lantern]

btw seli, how did you use cd's now on smoldy? on pull dm+kb or just kb on pull and then dm+kb for 1 and 3rd intermission

[marble hemlock]

i used on pull

then 2:20

4:20 (which is 3rd intermission with lust)

and then you get another one

if your hpal gives you autumn

[royal lantern]

hmmm, honestly, will try that out tomorrow i gues

[marble hemlock]

right before boss dies

also

how do i make sure

that urctos never becomes my friend

[obsidian obsidian]

Get benched bc it's a 5 healer fight

[marble hemlock]

sad reality is... kinda need to deal with your augs, and the better they are, and the more prio you get on actually getting buffs, the more you can play for max personal DPS, which i think would end up being 1st/3rd intermission DM

pull/2:20/4:20 is just more consistent, also means you dont have to deal with orb fuckery in intermission

[royal tree]

so now i cant find the kingsbane nerf in the patch notes and its sub rogues getting the nerf. is the 15 percent nerf still on?

[royal lantern]

seli, quick side question

i really dont like 40k, but i trust owlcat too do good games

not sure if i should give rogue trader a chance this thursday or not

[limber lion]

yes

@royal tree

[marble hemlock]

i mean

[royal tree]

thanks

[marble hemlock]

fair ig. mortismal did a quick video on the wh40k lore

can check that out if you want

[hardy pawn]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[keen spruce]

i've never played anything 40k related but have probably watched over 1000 hours of fan content and lore videos on youtube

[gusty mirage]

maybe

we can play 40k table top together?

[marble hemlock]

i played the deathwatch rpg for a bit

was fun

until we all got murdered by a pack of genestealers because our techmarine rolled a 1 on perception while he was on guard

[spice spire]

Nerd

[wide ferry]

so i got the toxic boots w the thorn patch on my wrists, now for blue silken lining/or lariat, i need another crafted piece right? Im a little lost w this part.

[keen spruce]

[keen spruce]

you either run toxic boots + patch

OR

blue silken lining on 2 pieces

not both

OR lariat + some other embelishment

you only get 2 embelishments

[wide ferry]

so those count as 2 pieces, got it

[worn badger]

any one know of any resources for finding crafters ? cant find a crafter for toxic footwraps on my server group to save my life

[exotic epoch]

Do we have updated sims for the nerf coming out or is that something that has to wait for the patch to go live?

[wind falcon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[spice spire]

Pins

[amber fossil]

is there a WA that can track empowered garrotes?

[manic quartz]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
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Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[manic quartz]

i personally use whispyrs afenar edit

[exotic epoch]

Ty im dumb. There are no theorycrafted builds that are straight up just better after the nerfs right?

[spice spire]

So far no

[limpid ridge]

I mean kb nerf doesnt really let you compensate for shit

Then again,nerfs are justified

[random quarry]

plater recommendations?

oh there it is

[amber fossil]

@balmy condor does your WA track empowered garrotes?

[royal lantern]

ofc it does

[slate crown]

!wa If you want a full pack with things that do track empowered garrotes, all packs here do. If you want a singular aura that only tracks improved garrote, without a pack, click on my profile below, and there is both a Rupture and Garrote standalone if you want them.

[prisma monolith]

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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[topaz mountain]

yo guys since my sim is super messy since im trying to sim for an m+ build is there a % of haste thats actually optimal?

[ebon quest]

Do we have any sort of thread showing some of the top KB records using Notter’s tracking aura? I got a 5.1 million last night and wanna see how far behind some others I am

[keen spruce]

idk where this was from or what damage amps were happening

[ebon quest]

Well Damn

[keen spruce]

probably ozumat

[royal lantern]

and now on a normal enemy

[keen spruce]

had to be ozumat

[runic hinge]

Gotta be

[raven egret]

You think? 😛

[runic hinge]

My best is like 8 or 9

[royal lantern]

i for sure dont think

[runic hinge]

And that’s still on a damage amp

[ebon quest]

Gonna have to up my gear to get near that

[jovial hornet]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
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Pooling Practice Tool

[ornate aspen]

Ooo a tracking aura sounds fun, where can I snag that?

[ebon quest]

It’s on wago under Notter’s KB tracker I believe

[ornate aspen]

Cool beans

[ebon quest]

https://wago.io/PFTo3o6Ug

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cool-beans-colorful-pixel-jumping-gif-10701767366937474175

[ornate aspen]

Thank you for the link

[unkempt ibex]

Has anyone noticed any bug going on today? I signed on today and did a key and am doing like... a fraction of what i normally do, talents gear poisons everything seems fine??

[south wing]

I just got pips from timewalking

[unkempt ibex]

like i feel like i'm deadass doing half damage

The whole key it was off

[keen spruce]

I think it's your goofy ass transmog

[placid kraken]

Was your tank letting you get restealths? I feel like every time I have to force CDs/Openers my dps is shit

[unkempt ibex]

yeah

my full openers that are normally like

900k on packs

or more

were like 300 max

consistently through the key

like wtf

[lime crypt]

guys, a bit unrelated question, but if i transfered, is there a way to transfer my logs too?

[keen spruce]

there's no Aug or priest in your group

[lime crypt]

or do i have to start blank

[keen spruce]

[unkempt ibex]

That's true

[placid kraken]

Also maybe the demo and mage were hitting your prio target forcing lots of re-applying CS?

[unkempt ibex]

Oh there was definitely loss to the glacial spike execute memes

from my execute

and i did lose kingsbane targets sometimes

[pallid goblet]

at what point of kingsbane should i pick third orb of witherbark trinket?

[placid kraken]

Yeah after these reworks it feels like if anything goes wrong from our normal priority dmg just falls off hard

[versed mica]

!restealths

[unkempt ibex]

the rework isn't live yet though is it?

[versed mica]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[placid kraken]

While I agree with that, losing Rupture spreading hurts too

and just throws off the feel

[versed mica]

It's just more annoyance than anything but yeah. Lower keys it's probably a bigger loss

[placid kraken]

Rupture not spread? Then prio target dies, means you gotta build and Rup to reapply CS. Then by the time you get that up prio #2 is about tod ie

[misty holly]

What I like to do is run the blue silken to start, and then if my health goes below 90% I vanish and quick swap to toxic thorn. This is how you optimize damage, people.

[placid kraken]

Yep, lower keys its a pain in the ass once your prio dies to get off any more 4pc procs

[echo jay]

Yes they comr with you. Need to update your battle.net on warcraftlogs.com so it picks it up

[lime crypt]

it didnt

i did have to change name

[echo jay]

Did you go to your account settings on WCL and refresh your bnet account? If that doesn't work you can do a manual merge

[lime crypt]

but friend that transfered too

hasnt gotten his too

[lime crypt]

yes i had to do that, otherwise the wcl couldnt even find me

[echo jay]

Do the manual merge

The WCL team will merge them for you

[lime crypt]

how?

[proper gust]

When i do a 3 min fight against ST training dummy, Kingsbane is always my highest overall followed by envenom

is there something im doing wrong?

[shy meteor]

Does plater have an option to show empowered garrotes?

[hushed barn]

Are you properly chaining and pooling?

[broken ibex]

Prob how detials lists your Evenom. Combine all evenom dmg

[ornate aspen]

^This

[ornate aspen]

Details damage breakdown looks weird

[proper gust]

yeah i think thats it

[earnest remnant]

@keen spruce

[balmy condor]

@marble hemlock my kb's aren't getting buffed guess I'm an on cooldown slammer too now

[near magnet]

guys do u use nightly or weekly version for sims?

[lime crypt]

nightly

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/the-secret-ingredient-is-crime-jbone666-mouthful-building-walking-the-street-gif-16400025

[timid haven]

Is porcelain crab an aight trink?

[cunning needle]

ye

branch better

but the crab is like 2nd or 3rd best m+ trinket

[balmy condor]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[timid haven]

thx

[short comet]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[vivid seal]

do you ever want to 4cp envenom outside cds?

[lavish brook]

Is subbing out sudden demise for anything else a play? I'm seeing mine at around 1-2% damage, or do I reconsider my life?

[candid geyser]

Also gives 10% to all bleeds passive

[lavish brook]

ooo

Okay, thanks lol

[clever niche]

Take for the 10% bleed damage, stay for things just dropping dead

[lime crypt]

ye

[woven narwhal]

Can I ask a season of discovery question here?

[warped lily]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

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LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
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Pooling Practice Tool

[cursive frost]

i take it raidbots is already updated with the tuning for tomorrow?

[balmy condor]

no

[cursive frost]

ok then i have something messed up in my sim

[runic hinge]

Try #classic-discussion

[woven narwhal]

ty

[warped lily]

what is pooling practice tool wa?

[brave barn]

I really feel like assa is better for keys than outlaw, even after nerfs, so much prio target while being better in huge pulls, garrote silence. I dont see in where outlaw is better honestly

what's your opinion on that guys ?

[marble hemlock]

Yeah they probably only track dm and send it with that... And then breath runs out before the last ticks of kb :<

[limber lion]

Bold of you to assume they track anything

[dark token]

how long does breath last?

im tryin to give my evoker tips on rogue buffing as well

[oak tangle]

is tindral a sin or sub fight?

[smoky cobalt]

Depends on your groups root dmg

sin if don't need root dmg. Sub if need root dmg

[oak tangle]

aight, time to go be a blue name again for a lil bit

[blazing jewel]

for roots/treants its not even a massive difference tbh

[dark token]

it is decently big on roots

but most of those dont need to die anyway

so /shrug

[blazing jewel]

if you can play both well then it might be worth to swap but its not like you are treantfuckerx

[dark token]

treants kinda the same

[blazing jewel]

locks/dh are the pad kings on that fight

[oak tangle]

yeah i ripped a fat 1 mil dps on opener last night, as we did a couple pulls before calling raid (heroic)

[dark token]

i think i might swap next week since everyone got giga nerfed aoe next week (bm/dh)

so we might need more root dmg now

[blazing jewel]

this is our set in p1 with no feathers

[oak tangle]

im thinking more for smolderon, on reclears, we just scraped by

[blazing jewel]

that people will mass immune on to spawn a bunch of trees

[velvet ridge]

when is the next sin rework gonna happen

[spice spire]

[placid kraken]

After DH's third spec

[blazing jewel]

[dark token]

treants right?

what about root p1 dmg

[blazing jewel]

thats all damage during that segment

but thats primarily roots/trees

[lyric cypress]

do you guys use kingsbane on the adds in nymue fight

or wait to go back on nymue

[blazing jewel]

100% kb trees

on mythic idk about heroic

probably the same

[spice spire]

Greetings and salutations @indigo ether it’s been brought to my attention that @blazing jewel is the rogue of your guild; however, based on recent actions I feel he may be better suited for the role of feral Druid. I hope this finds you well,

Sincerely,
Community Figure Makeitquake

[lyric cypress]

im in heroic, they die kinda fast in my raid

[blazing jewel]

jokes on you pleb is playing cat now

[spice spire]

Yeah he needs a second one bozo

Especially some mf meowing in a class discord

[indigo ether]

Hello Community Figure Makeitquake, as the resident feral druid for my guild, I would be more than happy to accommodate for @blazing jewel and allow him to play feral druid. He has privately reached out to me several times asking to swap. I will do the best in my power to help our little kitten grow into a cat.

Sincerely,
Feral Druid Pleb

[blazing jewel]

I didnt meow I did a woof today and he was disappointed

[tranquil locust]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[keen spruce]

[tranquil locust]

i've been looking at zerocool's M+ logs and noticed he never uses crimson tempest, any reasons why?

his envenom casts are alot higher than mine as well

[keen spruce]

timers are very lenient this season. so we're doing keys at a way higher level than we "should" be for our gear / health pools. This means that you end up running into a lot more one-shotty mechanics and dangerous bosses as the crux of the dungeon success at the highest keys. even on fort weeks

so especially on dungeons like fall

where there's one big trash pull then basically nothing after that

the logic is that focusing on more ST to get through those dangerous bosses quicker becomes more important than overall / AoE

[tranquil locust]

ah gotcha ok ty!

[keen spruce]

but unless you're doin 26s/27s

just play a normal build

or don't it doesn't rly matter

[tranquil locust]

ok lol, yeah i aint theorycrafting thats for sure lol

[obsidian obsidian]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[empty pilot]

does anyone else use a different, lower-simming trinket over branch just because of the orbs? i can get them optimally like, half of the time im guessing?

[oak tangle]

unironically, a 3rd spec support for dh could be the play

[harsh galleon]

Their a weak aura to specifically track branch buffs ?

[empty pilot]

yeah I have it.

[gusty mirage]

@blazing jewel WHAT THE FUCK IS THIs

[blazing jewel]

what

[blazing jewel]

the seed nerf is actually pretty big

[gusty mirage]

THE NERF I WAS LOOKING FOR

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

THANK GOD

AND WE GET TO RELEARN FEATHERS AGAIN

WAHOO

[blazing jewel]

I was wondering if that was being used to not have a root spawn on player

because they arent on the dragon people

[gusty mirage]

the root still spawns unless you fly

[blazing jewel]

ya

so the people would get on the dragon with feather guy

[harsh galleon]

You made or it’s in here ?

[empty pilot]

someone made one, i didnt. here's one: https://wago.io/0vbPQeHIb

i dont think that's the one I use, though.

here it is: https://wago.io/q7bHLuILp

[past bobcat]

How big are the boss nerfs? Enough to make the bosses more manageable or another is needed?

[gusty mirage]

these nerfs did nothing

lmao

fyrakk nerfs kinda big

but tindral ones did fuck all

THANK GOD

the 2s lag on pull every single pull wasn't fixable

but we can't diffuse fiery growth on tindral anymore

boss saved

[versed mica]

In m+, should we essentially be using KB on cd unless a pack is about to die?

Or should we be holding it for nasty packs/bosses

[lime violet]

What are people planning on crafting tomorrow?

[gusty mirage]

ring prolly

free socket

• get the food buff thingy

never have to re-eat the feast again

[velvet ridge]

what kinda ring you eyeballin

not sure what stats i want for end build, if i went rin

[past bobcat]

BUYING FLAVOUR POCKET BEFORE STOCKS GO UP

[grim tangle]

no hp nerf on tindral to account for classes getting nerfed seems like a strange decision

[gusty mirage]

its okay man

you can't ride along anymore

boss is fixed

dw about it

[blazing jewel]

BOSS IS SAVED

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-falling-building-fall-woodz-gif-24715383

[lucid rain]

kermit nooooooo

[slate crown]

Oh does everyone experience that?

I thought my shit was just fucked

[gusty mirage]

cause the overlaps are tight it preloads the entire fight

every single pull

[shut owl]

guild finally funneled me gear in a fall instead of funneling tank. nick of time + hourglass in one go

[near magnet]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[eternal nymph]

Secondary stat food sims better for me FWIW. Quite a bit outside margin actually

[shut owl]

I'm finally freed from my curse of "timeknife doesn't exist"/"last bearer of chromatic essence"

it only took 76 runs (including last season) to see a knife

[severe sparrow]

if i cloak igira's tank soak, do i still get the debuff thing? not that it matters really i suppose

[south wing]

“Last bearer of chromatic essence” 😭

[versed mica]

Pls respond

[spice spire]

Send on cd

[wide whale]

ya'll CD thistle tea on kingsbane or should it be used more situationally?

sorry, at the start of kingsbane

or just before

[shut owl]

only if I'm not gonna have another window before boss dies

[supple sage]

noob question but just started playing assassination, in ST situations how can I regen energy quickly? it feels impossible to keep 100% envenom uptime while pooling energy to over 50% for Sanguine blades, I use way more energy than I gain

[shut owl]

but thats more of a "end fights with everything spent" thing than normal rotation

[balmy condor]

it feels impossible because it is

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[supple sage]

Thank you!

[balmy condor]

never tea the start of kb

[versed mica]

One more question, is there ever a time where we use shiv in M+ other than having two charges for KB?

[royal needle]

Always heard you tea near the end or right after your second shiv

[versed mica]

(excluding deenrage shock build)

[shut owl]

optimally no

but if KB dies before second shiv, you've got a spare shiv before next window anyways

[balmy condor]

the last 6 seconds of kb, yes

[versed mica]

Hell even in ST too, sometimes it feels like I'm holding onto 2 charges of shiv for awhile but I might be wrong

[lime crypt]

my tea usages man....

i swear to got its illegal what im doing

[shut owl]

that is wrong

[royal needle]

You should be using them with your death mark - kingsbane and then at the end. Other than that you can use it with your nondeathmark burst

[storm ridge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[versed mica]

Yeah that's what I meant

[shut owl]

you get 2 shivs every minute, you have kb every minute

[versed mica]

So should you use the extra shiv then if that happens?

[lime crypt]

unrelated question, is anybody familiar with fusing 2 WCL pages, after transfer?

[shut owl]

yes

[arctic tusk]

yo this larodar fight sucks

[versed mica]

What's my timeframe when I'd use it 30 seconds or?

[arctic tusk]

any sin tech or tips for larodar

[stable storm]

in adds/cleave (cleave bone spike build?) fights, do we just blast main target?

[feral mason]

you on mythic?

[arctic tusk]

ye

[supple sage]

tyvm for this video, very well explained

[shut owl]

use it at normal time

as if kb didnt lose half its time

I run shock tho

mileage may vary with hybrid

[stable storm]

hey guys i lastly played assassa in shadowlands s4 (bit in s1 df but just leveling)
might quest might've sounded strange
simply speaking, im used to having to swap and dot targets when adds in fight, but now have have splash damage funneling talents

do we still swap targets to dot adds on fights? (except on council where it makes sense)

[short quarry]

you guys ever hold deathmark for smolderon intermission?

[shut owl]

yeah. check lorrgs for some good timings

[short quarry]

the top logs are just sending it on cd

and pull

[dark token]

thats cause top sin rogues are playing sub on that boss

leaving the loggers

[quick flint]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[dim gull]

https://lorrgs.io/

This is a pretty neat site to see when top logs use abilities

[past forum]

my guild lusts on pull so i dm on pull, but idk if that's right necessarily

[olive veldt]

Do you ever want to refresh bleeds during kingsbane because of stealth effect or is that wrong? should have went in with bleeds refreshed?

[south wing]

never knew this site existed, thanks for sharing!

[short quarry]

ya its not necessarily true that the best are playing sub, theres still some high sin logs

and they are sending deathmark on pull

[dark token]

ye but thats not optimal if u spend 1 minute thinking

they didnt

[dim gull]

Happy to help!

[woeful wagon]

does shadowmeld work like vanish for garrote?

[short quarry]

literally the top sin log sends it on pull... no one is pulling higher with saving it...

so ya idk

[cunning needle]

okay send it on pull then

[gusty mirage]

no, you'd have to meld -> stealth

[cunning needle]

what do you want to hear?

[dark token]

maybe he got sophic every intermission

[gusty mirage]

and you can't do that on bosses

[spice spire]

No

[dark token]

like u can top log with good rng playing bad still

[short quarry]

i wanna hear why the logic is wrong 😛

[woeful wagon]

awesome, thanks

[dark token]

u just have to get luckier

[past forum]

from what i understand, you wouldnt rupture in dance if it means dropping envenom chain

[cunning needle]

you've heard the logic

[olive veldt]

but its ok if it doesnt interupt chain?

[cunning needle]

don't think of the top log as the best log doing everything perfectly

it's more the least shit log with a sprinkle of rng

plenty of top logs do things wrong

but that's fine

we're human

[blazing jewel]

idk about the 2 new ones

but yesterday the top 3 sub rogue logs on smold all did a different dance pattern

[cunning needle]

oh for fucks sake

i dont want to learn a new pattern

[blazing jewel]

to emphasize the top logs dont do everything perfect point

[wide whale]

is there anyway to record the abilities used using some addon? I wanna "record" my opener, and compare it to the one on wowhead. i'm doing something wrong and i'm trying to figure out what.

[cunning needle]

you can review your cast sequence if you upload the fight to warcraft logs

[wide whale]

471 ilvl w/ 4 piece, but i can only burst to about 210k with all CDs

[cunning needle]

go into casts then clikc that

[past forum]

yeah, but i'm just going off of what i read but certainly not the expert

[wide whale]

oh bless

[woeful wagon]

if you dont like how warcraft logs shows it, wowanalyzer also has a fun graphic

[dark token]

top guy literally had wafting every intermission

and pi on cd

[cunning needle]

so i got to see every single cast ol mate scana did for smoldy

[dark token]

guy holding had no intermission wafting and 1 pi all fight

gg go next

[wide whale]

can i record this on a dummy?

[cunning needle]

good ol rng

[blazing jewel]

also wouldnt worry about the damage on burst there is a lot of rng on what your burst damage is. just try to do good damage comparative to your sim over 5 mins

[cunning needle]

i dont think you can live log dummies

[blazing jewel]

you can

[cunning needle]

oh?

[urban rampart]

Quick question do we pool during kingsbane or do we dump everything into envenoms?

[wide whale]

you referring to 5 minute dungeon slices? my char says i should pull 220+, but best I can do do is like 140 on a good day