assassination

[junior aurora]

you just put bleeds up while they're melting and then press shiv and do 1mil sudden demise dps

[finite mountain]

damn, i shoulda go sleep 😄

[strange minnow]

damn i must be in the minority that DOESNT enjoy sin aoe still

[grim jay]

That kinda isnt how it will end tho

[junior aurora]

wdym then i have cds for the next pack

[slate crown]

Well week 2 fully cleared with only pug runs, feels good to get aotc on week 2 for me, not awful considering I still have no tier set and only 454. Time for M+ spam now if I can't go for mythic pugs

[grim jay]

Nothing wrong with that. Not everyone can like a spec

[wraith nexus]

I enjoy it, it’s definitely a lot of setup to pop off though. Working horse class

[gaunt sigil]

My guild is bothersome. We are week 2 not that close to AOTC because we have only been raiding 2 hours 2 days

Last tier we were 3 hours per 3 days

[strange minnow]

spattering a kingsbane on a big pack is, by all accounts, sick nasty, idk if i vibe w the rest of it though idk, maybe i’m just bad

that’s also the possibility

[grim jay]

And the BM will still gigamelt and the dh wont do nothing either. Thats where you can get something in, but the pack where they both rip cds wont be your time to shine

[tacit oar]

Hey @balmy condor in your tutorial video for AoE you use the hybrid build but on wowhead you say the arterial shock is more the default build

[junior aurora]

yeah i dont ever rip cds on the first pack of a dungeon if im rocking with the huntards

[balmy condor]

you went from 9 hour to 4 hour?

[simple frost]

Hi all, why all rogues play assa in raid, I don't understand because my simcrzft is better in sub. I don't want to play the best spec, I love sub and I just want to understand why 😂

[balmy condor]

Correct

[gaunt sigil]

DH doesn’t need CDs to Megan last every pack rn

[tacit oar]

so which build are we using for what

[balmy condor]

You pick whatever you want

[gaunt sigil]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

They’re all the same

[tacit oar]

oh okay

kinda love dragonblade so gonna stick with hybrid

[balmy condor]

that’s insane

[abstract jacinth]

Due to mobs dying pretty quick?

[junior aurora]

hey man half hours double progress

simple

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s even less than that cause by the time a pull happens it’s already 10 min in, you know how it works

So we’re really going from like 8.5 hours to 3.5

Which is

[junior aurora]

might as well just do one day at that point

[gaunt sigil]

The “reasoning is” the 3rd day last tier was to try to kill mythic sark, and we cut down to 2 hours start of tier so we don’t burn out fast and people get more M+ in. Also we aren’t raiding today “Thursday” because it’s thanksgiving. Our raid days are Tues Thurs

[north hinge]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

HUH

[junior aurora]

only raiding for 2 hours a session is wild

[gaunt sigil]

That’s what I’m saying

[balmy condor]

I know late-night guilds that do that, but they also raid 4 days

[junior aurora]

its like

[balmy condor]

Not 2

Lmao

[junior aurora]

maybe later in a tier when you're only doing one boss a week prog

[gaunt sigil]

But they also wanted to reclear normal until all 4p

[balmy condor]

Ain’t no way

[junior aurora]

but early in a tier half of your raid time a week is clearing heroic and reclearing mythic

[gaunt sigil]

I feel like I am being trolled in this guild I’m NGL

[balmy condor]

You spent 3 out of your 3.5 clearing normal

[keen spruce]

i mean i like being in a 2 day guiod

[balmy condor]

It just gets better

[keen spruce]

but 2 days 2 hours

is like

what's the fkin point

[gaunt sigil]

I’m not even lying. They look at the wowaudit to see if people have 4p or not and I stg we won’t stop norm until everyone has it

[keen spruce]

[junior aurora]

legitimately

[balmy condor]

[junior aurora]

everyone should have 4pc by tuesday

[balmy condor]

Get down Mr president

[gaunt sigil]

Makes me wanna

[balmy condor]

Run

Flee

[keen spruce]

that's a bail angle

[slate crown]

Even me

[gaunt sigil]

Fr

[keen spruce]

I could not be fucked to show up to a raid night

[junior aurora]

2 catalyst + omni token

[keen spruce]

that only lasted 2 hours scheduled

[clever sapphire]

we recleared normal for that yesterday. Im thinking if i want to just bench myself if they still want to reclear normal next week

[junior aurora]

only way you dont have 4pc is if you are incredibly unlucky in vault

[keen spruce]

because that's like and hour and 30 in real like time

[balmy condor]

We reclear normal for tier but we also raid 12 hours

[gaunt sigil]

It’s a nice guild to parse in tho i guess, if people cared about normal parses

[balmy condor]

Not 4

[junior aurora]

you also probably clear normal in an hour

not 3

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Takes us about 1.5

[junior aurora]

my guild hasnt even finished heroic yet and it only took us an hour today

[balmy condor]

We take a break halfway through for gear

[gaunt sigil]

Yeah norm is actually a pushover

[wraith nexus]

I have 2p rn, one cata charge used, I’m also notoriously bad with loots drops. So we’ll see.

[grim jay]

We have an additional normal day this week. Its like 1.5h or something, so whatever

[balmy condor]

Cause we clear heroic and hold all the gear

[junior aurora]

ah

[balmy condor]

And then we get like halfway through normal

And the loot council is like

[junior aurora]

normal is just group looted lol

[balmy condor]

My bags full

[junior aurora]

only thing that isn't group looted is the omni token

[balmy condor]

We loot council everything

[gaunt sigil]

We didn’t get CE last tier by 30% hp starting like turbo late and then they are like, we CE for sure this tier like

[balmy condor]

Especially trinket and tier

[gaunt sigil]

Yeah maybe

IF WE TOUCH MYTHIC

[balmy condor]

Yeah FOR SURE

Raiding half the time

Surely CE

[gaunt sigil]

Surely

[balmy condor]

You missed last tier and got rid of half your hours

Makes sense to me

[kind forge]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[oak tangle]

i want to get back into mythic raiding

[balmy condor]

I just don’t think about it

[junior aurora]

gonna be honest though, dunno if i stick with this guild either

[balmy condor]

And if I don’t think about it

It makes sense

[runic hinge]

Maybe my job will change soon and I can look at mythic raiding

[gaunt sigil]

I’ve been putting in apps elsewhere to say the least

[blazing jewel]

3-4 days are goodge

[balmy condor]

All I have to do is resist the urge of using my brain for more than a microsecond

[oak tangle]

i used to get like 4/8 M or so each tier

[blazing jewel]

raid more at the start to get one 1 day reclears quicker

[oak tangle]

now just an aotc andy

[balmy condor]

Happens

Aotc andy is fine

[gaunt sigil]

I’m relatively happy with my hero parses so far tho

[balmy condor]

Dude this is CE numbers

You’re in a 4 hour a week raid

[gaunt sigil]

My normal looks silly

[balmy condor]

Getting 95+?

[balmy condor]

Get out

Yeah

[oak tangle]

yeah it's mostly guild constraints and finding a team capable, but i'm not gonna deal with dramas of running a M guild, H is bad enough

[balmy condor]

You’re way over your guild

[grim jay]

You can get CE pretty comfy with 2 days even

[junior aurora]

my normal clear this week lol

no windfury totem either rip

[balmy condor]

I don’t wanna look at my normal

[gaunt sigil]

Yeah my guild is no WFT rn

[balmy condor]

I just got 4 piece

[gaunt sigil]

All my parses so far are no 4p ~459 ilvl at the time of parses

[junior aurora]

my heroic parses this week were only low 90s bc no 4pc yet

[balmy condor]

Shoutout my guild adding a raid day that I can’t attend

[gaunt sigil]

I feel like I coulda been top 10 on Igira if I had 4p

Eh

[jovial jasper]

overtime...

ban this sick filth

[gaunt sigil]

Maybe top 50

[balmy condor]

My heroic is uh… not great

[junior aurora]

smolderon??

[balmy condor]

I died

:3

[junior aurora]

oh

understandable

[gaunt sigil]

Ripped on smolder?

[junior aurora]

well

not really

dont die

[gaunt sigil]

Oh

[junior aurora]

but

[balmy condor]

True

[agile wedge]

hey team, played sin yesterday for the first time in mainraid and i guess i need some help to improve. could somebody please do the effort and have a look so i can improve? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Np682rHx9hXQAD1c#fight=63&type=casts&source=9&view=timeline

[balmy condor]

Also ripped on fyrakk

[haughty flicker]

i tied with whispyr

[upper spear]

got legs of H Fyrakk and 19 Atal today 🤔

[haughty flicker]

am i good now

[grim jay]

Our parsekiller Tank struck on smolderon aswell. We actually wiped but he refused and did the last 4% or something solo

[balmy condor]

Not an accomplishment, im a shitter

[runic hinge]

Damn I’m out here happy with all purples and a few oranges and you guys are all blasters

[balmy condor]

Yeh was kinda us too

[junior aurora]

you're a blaster too tony

[slate crown]

Same

[subtle tundra]

those are better than mine

[junior aurora]

purples and oranges is good

[subtle tundra]

😭

[junior aurora]

blue is good

[haughty flicker]

if you're a shitter what does that make me 😦

[junior aurora]

boss being dead is best

[runic hinge]

True

[balmy condor]

We carry shitters through heroic to loot funnel our main raiders and it actually makes the fights so awful

30 man heroic

Is a clusterfuck

[subtle tundra]

thats true

[balmy condor]

Especially when 4-5 of them don’t know what’s happening

[simple violet]

do we have a decent alternative to Sanguine blades if we really dont want to play the energy minigame?

[junior aurora]

i do need to find a ce guild though

[haughty flicker]

outlaw

[junior aurora]

now that i have free schedule

[subtle tundra]

pooling is a minigame???

[junior aurora]

go outlaw

[balmy condor]

Not really but we don’t play around sanguine with 4 piece tbh

[grim jay]

That and the 96 gnarlroot are the bane of my existence. I actually forgot to put on poisons so I did one DM without poisons. We had a lead discussion before

[clever sapphire]

i dont even know how my overall logs look like, we are private logging so

[gaunt sigil]

There’s no decent looking A52 guilds that want a rogue rn from what I’m seeing

[balmy condor]

I did mythic gnarlroot without caustic

[gaunt sigil]

[balmy condor]

[junior aurora]

im on wyrmrest accord so

there's like 2 mythic guilds period

[gaunt sigil]

[balmy condor]

I’m a theorycrafter

[grim jay]

I guess mistakes can happen to everyone

[balmy condor]

They pay me money to write guides

Who the fuck

[junior aurora]

i'm actually trialling in an illidan guild but i dunno about it

[balmy condor]

Decided that was a good idea

[oak tangle]

won't matter next xpac

[gaunt sigil]

Idk

I wouldn’t pay you for shit

Except maybe to use a cheese grater on your balls

[haughty flicker]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[runic hinge]

I switched to caustic for gnarlroot and forgot to change back

[junior aurora]

tbf

you can rip caustic the entire raid

and be fine

i never swapped back to IB

[haughty flicker]

i forgot to swap to caustic for tindral

[subtle tundra]

man i wish i had public logs so whispyr could log review me

[haughty flicker]

and was wondering why tf i wasnt doing damage

[runic hinge]

Smolderon it probably wasn’t the best

[junior aurora]

still 97 parse

[gaunt sigil]

Why can’t I spatter my guildies smh

Cmon blizz

[runic hinge]

I had a 93 lol

[haughty flicker]

spatter on nelth

[runic hinge]

Guess it’s whatever

[clever sapphire]

spatter on neltharion from last tier

[haughty flicker]

[gaunt sigil]

The dream

[junior aurora]

this is why im not too sure about the guild i'm trialling in though

im the top one

[runic hinge]

I wanna kb my raid lead

[clever sapphire]

saving kb so i can spatter even harder

[oak tangle]

is there a collated list of cd guides for the fights anywhere

[haughty flicker]

hey that looks like my guild

[oak tangle]

that would be a nice thing to pin

[grim jay]

I did the first tindral without caustic and still parsed 98, but it was day 1

[junior aurora]

did yours also have a boomkin doing under 100k dps on smolderon

not sure how you do under 100k on that boss but i guess its possible

[haughty flicker]

no we dont invite boomkins to things

[unborn pendant]

Dude, I'm slowly gearing my Sin Rogue up and I'm genuinely enjoying how this spec plays

[runic hinge]

That’s mine

[grim jay]

Based and real

[unborn pendant]

Yeah, it's a bit on the bonkers side tuning wise but it's cool af

[oak tangle]

what fights are you guys linking

[haughty flicker]

i'll still play it over the other two when it gets nerfed

[junior aurora]

i linked smolderon

[haughty flicker]

unless they make kingsbane windows feel like ass somehow

[runic hinge]

Same

[haughty flicker]

oh lemme see smoldy actually

[gaunt sigil]

I need you to log review me one of these days so I can get top 100

[haughty flicker]

i inted only 206k

[junior aurora]

what fight did you link first

[haughty flicker]

tindral

[junior aurora]

yeah you gapped me on tindral lol

[haughty flicker]

padding on roots bb

[junior aurora]

i only did 160k

but i mean

[clever sapphire]

did the rest of your group die?

[junior aurora]

no

thats why i dont think im gonna stick thru my trial

[clever sapphire]

wanna hear the funniest thing i ever heard when i trialed somewhere? They legit told me they dont want me because my dps is too high and i wouldnt fit in the guild

[junior aurora]

i mean thats fair though

[oak tangle]

my trash tier normal tindral

[haughty flicker]

thats actually fair ngl

[junior aurora]

being so far ahead can just breed resentment

on both sides

[haughty flicker]

yeah

[runic hinge]

This is mine

[junior aurora]

oh beli my tindral was normal

[glacial grotto]

How the hell are you guys having such low raid DPS on tindral

[junior aurora]

we haven't gotten thru all of heroic yet

bc of holidays

[runic hinge]

Normal

[oak tangle]

this... just this... when we were trying to form our raid team for mythic prog, just this... you have 2 camps, one who are goated and CE capable, and one camp that are AOTC capable, and you end up having raid team fallouts

[haughty flicker]

yeah

it can be a bit cursed

when you're right on the border

[gaunt sigil]

That’s kinda where my guild sits

[haughty flicker]

and roster boss is hard so cant always just find more people

[junior aurora]

its where my guild sat until roster boss claimed them back in shadowlands

[cedar star]

im guessing wowanyalyzer doesnt work for 10.2 yet?

[junior aurora]

just been 5-6 of us doing m+ ever since lol

grabbing aotc in pugs

[gaunt sigil]

Like 2/3 AOTCers and 1/3 CEers and the only reason we got sark to 30% was cause 446 avg ilvl

[junior aurora]

this the first tier i tried joining a raid team since

[glacial grotto]

Heroic seems so free this tier compared to last

[clever sapphire]

yep, not updated yet

[oak tangle]

we were on one of the offbrand oceanic servers, and we just couldn't handle the amount of people who'd leave for whatever reason, and during BFA the player base died off. so we had to move to frostmourne, and that brings it's own challenges with bigger guilds snapping up all the good players

[runic hinge]

Heroic was free last tier too. Except maybe not sark

[junior aurora]

yeah sark was the only non free boss in a pug but sark is just a boss that requires a good raid leader

have someone calling shots and it feels much more manageable and controlled

[glacial grotto]

We full cleared hc and normal in 3 hours 2nd week seems free

[runic hinge]

My guild is 1 day a week 3 hours and we just do aotc and no one wants to push higher. My work schedule sucks so I can’t really look for anything better. But they’re nice people.

[solid void]

Does anyone have a weakaura that tracks how many ruptures you have up around you?

[cedar star]

probably easier to use plater

[oak tangle]

yeah we raid sunday/monday 2 hrs a night for aotc

[cedar star]

and set nameplates to glow ehn dotted or not dotted

[solid void]

hmm yeah fair. that's probably captured in whispyr's profile?

[runic hinge]

Luxthos pack will track that if you just wanna rip his rupture thing out

[oak tangle]

i made a modification to whispyrs plater, that will glow unit frames that dont have rupture on them

[solid void]

yeah that's exactly what i'd like to do as well

i love the caustic recoloring

but would benefit from this... especially with scent of blood. Seems stronk?

[runic hinge]

I got them to think about maybe trying to pug a few mythic bosses on Saturday nights for the people who want to but we shall see what happens once we get aotc

[cunning thunder]

Hey guys, struggling to do much damage in 15 - 20 keys becuase trash dies so fast. was wondering Is it a better idea to spec for single target with maybe bleed cleave and caustic spatter rather than the full m+ build for tyrannical weeks?

[oak tangle]

if anything like us, we're struggling to get 20 capable of mythic, we probably have a core of about 12-14 who could

[cold fulcrum]

One quick question. With all dots in aoe up (including Crimson tempest one) Is our filler in Aoe envenom or Crimpson tempesT?

[runic hinge]

We would probably have like 8-10 and just be trying to find pugs for the rest tbh

[haughty flicker]

my guild got 8/9 last tier then like 8 people left bc we didnt get it despite starting late af

so now we're stuck trialing again

unlucky

[runic hinge]

Envenom is your filler

On your spatter target

[clever sapphire]

envenom, since that spatters for cleave, and poison bombs also

[oak tangle]

i can send you the code for it if you'd like

[clever sapphire]

you can try that, but you will feel like shit if trash lives longer than 10 seconds

but if you are not pugging, you could do it

[solid void]

yes i was just dming you - that would be really helpful

[clever sapphire]

i did that first week of last season

cause my warri/dh dps buddies were depleting trash in aoe

so i just went full st

with bonespike for cleave

[oak tangle]

sent 🙂

[solid void]

Cheers!

[blazing jewel]

what is this sudden demise lmfao

[runic hinge]

ToT?

[blazing jewel]

dawn part 1

[junior aurora]

no tot is like

30 mil

[runic hinge]

lol

[haughty flicker]

sudden demise is so fun

[oak tangle]

time for me to go back to prison

2 and a half days to get some daggers

[junior aurora]

until a pack pops all at once and your group is struggling with bursting lol

[haughty flicker]

thats what makes it so fun

entire hallway in brh dies and party gets 10 bursting stacks

[clever sapphire]

cloak, and watch everyone die

[junior aurora]

the hunter pops in the corner

[clever sapphire]

on waycrest before tree boss we did a big pull, 11 bursting stacks, the trash died so fast the priest couldnt even press MD or realise that we died

[bleak ivy]

Just cloak it

[clever sapphire]

thats what i told them

they told me it doesnt work

cause they dont have cloak or soemthing like that

so dumb

[supple snow]

Inferior classes.

[clever sapphire]

it just always feels so weird when i play a different class, and i dont have cloak for magic shit

or evasion to tank when stealing aggro

or feint for all the aoe shit

[supple snow]

Or the energy

To put the team on your back

I feel you bro

[clever sapphire]

second boss galakron became like magetower to me, i always play it solo with the tank

but only cause im rogue

no idea if i could do that with another class

[fallen knoll]

Cloak is honestly a crazy good ability

[junior aurora]

play mage

ranged rogue

[clever sapphire]

fun fact, i do that

and i play arcane there, even got higher rating last season on mage than on my rogue

[junior aurora]

also by second boss galakrond do you mean timeways or chromie

timeways i feel has too much damage going out to really be able to play it solo with tank

[clever sapphire]

first wing

the tornado

last week i could solo it from 50%

this week i did it from 35%

on an 18 for context

[junior aurora]

man i would just die to the dispels

on a 20 they put you to like 30% lol

[candid nymph]

Hi, is 2P new season 2P old better than old 4P?

[haughty flicker]

Yeah that shit hurts

[soft shale]

yea change set as soon as you get new 2p

[bleak ivy]

Youre telling me druids dont have cloak of shadow?😱

No way

[kind forge]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842817103354658817/1154475731108249700/image.png

[finite mountain]

question:
why so many hybrid player ? Am i dumb or smth.? i mean Alterial build is much stronger aoe and overall, if you play hybrid you loose so much aoe or not? just for a small single target damage?

[junior aurora]

they do the same

of both

[fallen knoll]

Also some fit better for certain dungeons ig

[bleak ivy]

Cause its tyranical

[cedar star]

Is it more important to keep envenom chaining or make sure rupture doesn’t fall off

In st

[midnight mist]

do you gain damage from having off hand poisons

[finite mountain]

yea thats right but i dont see at the end of a boss fight not a big difference (tested by myself), so i think its maybe faster clearing trash for more time @ boss or?

[tacit oar]

where in nameplate can you set like whispyr

to have garrote and rupture glow yellow when in pandemic

in plater*

[fallen knoll]

Plater>profiles and import his

[midnight mist]

this also works with non lethal right

[tacit oar]

nvm its a wa

[sudden brook]

Any smolderson gamers atm

[tacit oar]

https://wago.io/t6bI_B9wi

[midnight mist]

wrong channel

[haughty flicker]

why this guy gotta come at my drake

[midnight mist]

#subtlety here guy

[blazing jewel]

[sudden brook]

I don't feel like playing sub I wanna try making sin work

[somber sparrow]

on our normal fyrakk kill... whoops, didn't use poisons for the first 34 seconds of the fight haha

[sudden brook]

I think it's fine on the fight, easier access to damage is kinda important

I'm more focused on "not dying" rather than mimaxing damage

[blazing jewel]

big benefit of sub

[midnight mist]

oh well

[sudden brook]

and Sin just does more damage when ur focus is that

[blazing jewel]

is cloak for intermissions

[midnight mist]

sub is kinda easy aswell

lol

[sudden brook]

Not about difficluty

sin is bleeds and doesn't have CDR

So when ur afk u dont lose

[blazing jewel]

and no acro on smold is kind of beans

[haughty flicker]

what was the question for smoldy

[midnight mist]

oh ye the downtime meme

bro progging smolderon afk

[sudden brook]

Anyway

Whats the strat

DM on pull or nah

[haughty flicker]

i think thats the consensus

then dm lines up with third burst phase

[blazing jewel]

probably just send on cd and it lines up for second intermission

[haughty flicker]

in execute

[gaunt moat]

anyone can throw me a moueover macro for rupture please?

[midnight mist]

/cast [@mouseover,harm] [] rupture

[thorny aurora]

#showtooltip Rupture
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead][harm,nodead] Rupture

[midnight mist]

remove [] if you only want mouseover

[gaunt moat]

thank you

[thorny aurora]

I'm guessing there's no major difference between crafting toxic patch on belt or bracers?

[clever sapphire]

for me its 8k more ST and 5k more aoe on hybrid build (consider the fact that i have new 4pc tho)

[gaunt moat]

belt has higher stats than bracers or cloak, so probably not worth crafting.

you can put on bracers or cloak

[thorny aurora]

Oh can we actually put it on a cloak

I thought it was only on leatherworking stuff

[finite mountain]

hm maybe i play hybrid dog idk... maybe i should check hybrid aoe rota, but i dont see a big difference right ?

[haughty flicker]

should only be leatherworking items

so belt or bracers

[gaunt moat]

oh, you can't

nvm

[thorny aurora]

Yeah nw

[gaunt moat]

but still, better to craft bracers than belt

[clever sapphire]

there is no difference in the rota, its just that with ap build shiv gains more value in aoe because of aoe shiv during execute with ruptures up

[thorny aurora]

I guess crafting stats are still crit/mast?

[gaunt moat]

no

sim it

[uneven bronze]

on HC Smolderon do you send Deathmark and KB on coolddown or do you hold if its close to the intermission for the bonus dam?

[finite mountain]

yea true my eng is bad sorry... i dont know how i can explain what i mean :/ -.-

[thorny aurora]

I'd guess it depends on when your guild lusts

We lust on 2nd intermission

[uneven bronze]

2nd intermission

[thorny aurora]

I DM+kb on pull, kb during first intermission

And hold DM+kb for 2nd intermission

[clever sapphire]

dunno, on hc i just sent kb on pull, after that kb and dm only during dm phase

[odd notch]

Does anyone have a simple WA that shows witherbark branch stack and effect duration?

have it on my aura bars but hard to keep track mid fight

[uneven bronze]

you mean DM during intermission only?

[thorny aurora]

Lowii made a good one imo

[thorny aurora]

https://wago.io/4Q2L1LNd5

[clever sapphire]

thats what i do

for us the fight was 5 minutes

so it was kinda okay for me

[odd notch]

oooh thats actually so much better than i wanted it to be

thanks @thorny aurora

[uneven bronze]

first intermission is around 1:10 and second around 2:40 right? so you hold just a bit on both i guess

[thorny aurora]

Ye just a little

[finite mountain]

i mean if you play hybrid, venegate (hope thats right in eng) can procc with that talent and with 4pc its even stronger so it could be an aoe gap closer to the alterial or ?spell#32645

[thorny aurora]

I mean first intermission you almost don't hold kb

[uneven bronze]

thanks

[thorny aurora]

But for the 2nd yeah you have to delay for 30s

[uneven bronze]

its close after yuo send it on pull i assume

[thorny aurora]

So usually I just use a free shiv

[clever sapphire]

no idea tbf, i just simmed both builds and saw the dmg differences. After that i just went with my brain that AP build is gonna stay hidden unless i do low keys where SD could be big

[lucid rain]

I finally got an item out of galakrond!

the cheat trinket for my dh tank

[haughty flicker]

huge

[finite mountain]

SD?

[haughty flicker]

all ive gotten to drop from fall was an hourglass and i got guilted into giving it to my guilds bm hunter

lmao

[lucid rain]

:(

that sucks

[oak tangle]

i got a sandglass on my first run

[clever sapphire]

sudden demise

[oak tangle]

i have gotte nnothing since

[lucid rain]

I got a veteran glass and champion nick first day from galakrond

[finite mountain]

thanks

[lucid rain]

and nothing since

[grim jay]

Both builds have demise

[clever sapphire]

but the AP build can do more with it

because of zoldyk/ap

[gaunt moat]

is there a way to make the macro change icon dynamically if i have a mod:shift on it?
if i don't "tooltip rupture" then it only has a question mark now.

[midnight mist]

idk ngl

I hide my bars so I never cared about all the tooltips stuffs

[grim jay]

True but honestly both builds are rather the same

In terms of performance

[clever sapphire]

could be, maybe its just a personal feeling that makes me do more dmg on hybrid build

but if sim tells me 5k diff, you can be sure im not touching ap build

[grim jay]

I mean I kinda like hybrid more aswell. It does the same overall for me where I tried it tho. Sims have the AP build ahead for me tbf

[simple violet]

Are we single target dotting much or are we just waiting till shadow dance to spread garrote and rupture and then outside of shadow dance we are just mut envenoming the prio mob while maintaining crimson tempest/rupture and garrote on it?

[clever sapphire]

do you have new 4set?

because before the new 4set both builds were simmin within 500dps difference

after 4set it changed

[haughty flicker]

i literally just play ap build bc i like blindside lol

[grim jay]

Yep

Im 476 with 4set branch sandglass thorn+patch

[clever sapphire]

gotta do a resim today i guess, maybe i overlooked something or no idea

[austere fulcrum]

hello guys, my sims says i need to put more and more versa this season, i m almost around 3k with versa phial. What can be the reasoning ?

only think i can think of was we play with KB now and maybe that ?

[distant fog]

can you use a fist wep with ass ?

[grim jay]

Dont think so

[clever sapphire]

no your ass cant use a fist weapon

[grim jay]

No

[grim jay]

Ive seen Videos

[fierce sigil]

Hey guys… do i use hissing rune on my weapons in all scenarios? And sophic devotion as weapon enchant? Atm i still have old 4 set (still no new set item looted…) is haste getting really good with new set or is it really good with old Set too

[clever sapphire]

i dont think i need more information regarding this

[grim jay]

Why does it matter to you btw

[grim jay]

Thats why I stopped there

[midnight mist]

?

tf you doing here bozo

get back to outlaw channel

[clever sapphire]

would sim it, but wafting is apparently the new weapon enchant

[pastel onyx]

[blazing jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[clever sapphire]

thx for taking out the trash zac

[blazing jewel]

zac kill larodar so you can learn sub too

[midnight mist]

I played a bit of sub during ptr

[distant fog]

@midnight mist im trying out assasin

[midnight mist]

I can play it fine

[distant fog]

it was boring

but the big big pulls are fun

[lucid rain]

#assassination message

[midnight mist]

I also played a bit of sub in sl and df s2 so I had basics

[grim jay]

For me wafting is better in both St and aoe. Using buzzing Rune, didnt sim rune yet tho

[midnight mist]

sub kidna easy aswell

[grim jay]

You are always welcome

[clever sapphire]

same, but i use hissing because its cheaper

[grim jay]

Im boosting 20s on the weekend

[fierce sigil]

Hissing is rune and wafting is enchant

[grim jay]

Easy money

1m+ for a key

Kinda bonkers every new season

[clever sapphire]

ik, but buzzing is rune just like hissing

[lucid rain]

so you're the reason I get animals in 20s

[clever sapphire]

getting into boosts is too annoying, everything gets taken by teams

[grim jay]

Im atleast part of the problem

[clever sapphire]

i will just delay the inevitable until i run out of money, then do boosts

[grim jay]

Im part of that problem aswell

[clever sapphire]

i still have like 140k left or so, should be fine for a few more weeks

[lucid rain]

hold on, don't you only need to boost 18s? or do people want the portals?

[grim jay]

Higher ilvl, score and portals

I guess

[lucid rain]

right

imagine being proud of a rio you got boosted to LOL

not shade on you, gotta make money somehow

but damn

[fringe surge]

what do you think guys, should I play 2p-2p or old 4p ?

[lucid rain]

2p2p stronk

[clever sapphire]

2p-2p

pp stronk

[grim jay]

We have a community member in the guild that bought his 20s week one and tried to flex with his token

[lucid rain]

LOL

god I hope they take an extra 15 minutes to find their keys every day

that's pathetic

[clever sapphire]

i hope they deplete their first 5 weeks every day

i dont mind people getting boosted, but dont brag with a key you got boosted through

[lucid rain]

same problem exists in FFXIV

people buy an ultimate clear then wear the title

like bruh what are you even doing

[grim jay]

Honestly he was later than most of the mainraiders with his token anyways. Most had 2k at friday or saturday

[steel ridge]

People see it as a means to start gettinh into groups by faking experience

[lucid rain]

while I can see the logic in that, I am not at all eager to have a 20 be a prog key for someone

because once mama booster bird kicks the little bird out the nest

little boosty bird is going to hit the pavement and take out 4 other birds in the process

[grizzled trail]

So my outlaw sims higher than assa. You guys find the same and PI just doesn’t sim great or is my assa gear just poop

[lucid rain]

sin has the highest benefit of all specs from PI last I saw

so something's whacky with your setup

[upper spear]

i tilt so hard when an item 10 ilvl lower sims higher because of a socket

[clever sapphire]

give me the item

i take dmg over ilvl all day of the week

[grizzled trail]

What I meant was the PI box on raidbots is beta and I was curious if it wasn’t simming accurate

[clever sapphire]

wait that makes no sense

[upper spear]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tciSwJk4CxT1JcguWMrbrG

[balmy condor]

It is

I put in support for pi simming via that option

[clever sapphire]

isnt it a bit early/late for you to be awake mr whispyr?

[balmy condor]

Also increases accuracy on bloodmallet pi chart

[balmy condor]

2am, ain’t that bad

[clever sapphire]

so sleep is yet to come, got it

[balmy condor]

I’m in bed

[upper spear]

being in the same timezone as whispyr and wathcing ppl flame his sleep schedule

[balmy condor]

It’ll come soon

[clever sapphire]

i said sleep, not lazy duh

[clever sapphire]

nah i thought its like 4-5 am

i dont know math

[cinder geode]

rupture has smart targeting with indiscriminate carnage, do you keep putting rupture on the same target and it auto applies to targets without rupture ?

[upper spear]

it happens every night

[balmy condor]

Well it would apply to your target, and then the 2 additional would smart target

Carnage doesn’t just… not make you hit your main target

So you’d lose that 1/3

[neat horizon]

Whats the right way to cleave if we dont have dance/vanish on bosses? For example pig boss. HOw can i push for more damage when the adds come ?

or do i just stick to my ST rotation?

[worldly shadow]

this guy has 10 ilvl on me, but we both have last season 4pc. I know there could certainly be a massive skill issue, but seeing this i had to wonder if sin doesn't really do that well until you have the new tier or if i'm just garbage and need to learn how to play better? or could key level have something to do with it where stuff dies soon enough that sin doesn't look as good?

[cinder geode]

i realize, so we just tab target to ones without rupture ?

im asking cuz im having trouble adding ruptures in large packs

[upper spear]

i get a rupture/garrote on each for zoomy energy, just me tho

[clever sapphire]

spatter, maybe a few ruptures if you feel the need for energy

[balmy condor]

Just run around and dot them anyway, get a big CT and spatter

[neat horizon]

so rupture's the priority in situations like this over garrote ?

[clever sapphire]

what key and what lvl of the key

[balmy condor]

I mean yeh

[neat horizon]

and is it always 4cp + rupture ?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[worldly shadow]

galakrond's fall and it was a 13

[agile gull]

How high was The key? If packs get deleted you don’t even get your setup out and you will not have high numbers

[clever sapphire]

ah ye shits gonna die on a 13 faster than whispyr can get a headache from this chat

[worldly shadow]

ah ok. so i could theoretically be playing passably but stuff needs to live a bit for sin to look good?

[clever sapphire]

depends, if you run the ap build just get your bleeds on as many mobs as possible fast

[cinder geode]

what did the damage look like on bosses ?

[clever sapphire]

than sudden demise will do the rest in a low key

[worldly shadow]

no ap this week

maybe i should but i haven't been

[neat horizon]

Bro sudden demise this week

is very sus haha

[upper spear]

i cant function without AP and blindside

[worldly shadow]

closer but i was still getting beaten

[neat horizon]

ive wiped my group atleast 3 times in everbloom due to bursting stacks

[oak tangle]

you mean pog

[clever sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

[cinder geode]

10ilvls on you and doing similar damage on bosses is fine, its a lower key

[neat horizon]

[upper spear]

Everbloom is not fun this week, Atal and Black Rook tho 👀

[balmy condor]

I don’t get headaches I just lose faith in society

[upper spear]

Black Rook was absolutely free IO on a 19

[oak tangle]

the society which you built

[worldly shadow]

word, ty. was just wondering if i needed to go back to the drawing board entirely and see how i could be playing wrong or if there was a possible reason that it looked so much worse such as key level

[clever sapphire]

how many times did you rephrase it to not sound too toxic, cause you were writing that for a while

[balmy condor]

I didn’t build anything im just the mayor

[balmy condor]

:3

[clever sapphire]

i mean low key, he has 10 ilvl on you, should be fine with higher ilvl and a higher key

where you get atleast 3 ruptures out before shit dies

[lunar meteor]

does assa do anything pre pull like outlaw?

[clever sapphire]

pray for KB crits

[cinder geode]

no

[clever sapphire]

whisper priest for pi

[lunar meteor]

perfect

[clever sapphire]

simp the aug

there are a few things you can do

[lunar meteor]

which is?

[balmy condor]

What about my priest

[clever sapphire]

i jsut listed the 3 things

[dark token]

Like I agree with this but 83k is also really low

You could do that in season 1

[clever sapphire]

we dont know how the tank was pulling

that can be a big factor in those keys

[dark token]

Doesn't really matter imo

Unless ur wiping a lot

[clever sapphire]

should i whisper him too for pi?

[worldly shadow]

perhaps if i screenshot damage breakdown it might be apparent if i were doing something wrong?

[clever sapphire]

if you have any kind of logs that would make it even easier

[worldly shadow]

i might have been logging actually.

[balmy condor]

Send him an in game mail he’ll get back to you in 3-5 business years

[naive crane]

Yo guys, is there a good weakaura for whiters trinket for last orb track?

[clever sapphire]

but some dmg breakdown can also help if you dont have anything else

[clever sapphire]

better than some work places i have applied to 3 years ago

[dark token]

Log a dungeon

[clever sapphire]

still waiting for the answer they told me that will come in 2 weeks

[dark token]

And we can see how you open on packs

[clever sapphire]

https://wago.io/4Q2L1LNd5

[worldly shadow]

just upload it to warcraftlogs?

[willow kite]

m+ builds are being cooked

[worldly shadow]

Sorry not used to linking logs, i think this would be the url though. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BLty9PjGz18A7qfF#fight=last

[willow kite]

I thought scent of blood was kinda sorta a lock

[worldly shadow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BLty9PjGz18A7qfF#fight=last hopefully this is the correct format

[cloud venture]

short question, do we spread caustic spatter to multiple targets in m+ trash? Or just one target

[clever sapphire]

spatter and sudden demise are surprisingly low for that key range (or atleast sudden demise), kingsbane looks good, reformed can maybe look more into the opener part

i suck at reading logs

xd

[clever sapphire]

you cant spread it

[dark token]

No enchants, no current or previous tier, no consumables

[clever sapphire]

also season 1 trinket

[worldly shadow]

i did mention i only have last season 4pc, and obviously the gear isn't great but i was still surprised to see such a massive gap. surely enchants and consumables wouldn't account for much

[upper spear]

is there a none fucked way to get Acro Strikes

im on Arterial

[grim jay]

Whispyr has a build in his guide

Thats the nonfucked way

[worldly shadow]

not sure why log doesn't show but i do have last season 4pc

[dark token]

O I missed you have last season 4p I'm blind

[worldly shadow]

np

[dark token]

That's fine you both don't have t31

[midnight atlas]

thats a cool weakaura, wish they just made the ground effects less shitty so i can see those balls

[dark token]

Running hybrid vs AP build is slight DPS loss especially in lower keys and with last season 4p

[worldly shadow]

i wouldn't expect consumables / enchants to account for more than maybe 3k dps?

but im obviosuly no expert haha

[dark token]

1 sophic enchant is 3k dps

[worldly shadow]

oh. just feels bad to pay the 6k gold on my dookie garbage weapons lol. but ok fair enough

[grim jay]

Go wafting fuck sophic

[clever sapphire]

that for sure, or removed others balls

i dont like seeing other peoples balls

[grim jay]

[surreal citrus]

I do

[grim jay]

[clever sapphire]

who else but a yellow name

not even surprised

[surreal citrus]

[clever sapphire]

[worldly shadow]

ah ok. i thought perhaps since it was tyran week hybrid would be better.

[midnight atlas]

i did a key with a fire mage and i was running around from fire, turns out it was his combustion or some crap spells

so yeah, remove clutter pls or gimme option to remove other ppl bs

[dark token]

AP build is more single target

[grim jay]

AP has more St for many. But all in all it doesnt matter

[worldly shadow]

i'm ok if i do worse damage i just wanted to be sure i wasn't doing anything drastically wrong rotation wise. it seems i may need to keep practicing and maybe try in some higher keys

[dark token]

Idk who spread this "it's aoe pad build"

You aren't using cds

[worldly shadow]

oh, i found AP build much more fun anyways thats good to know

[surreal citrus]

aoe pad in m+

[dark token]

Deathmark wasn't in 1st pull

[royal lantern]

enemys dying = padding

duh

[dark token]

Kingsbane is really late

[clever sapphire]

no poison bomb, me no enjoy

but blindside

so im confused

i like both

gotta check the sims, maybe they lied to me

[dark token]

Also

[grim jay]

Its the cope. It means dh and bm are only padding aswell

[midnight atlas]

so weird in m+ to use cooldowns on a mob, only for it to die before the second shiv because the whole group focused it

[worldly shadow]

hm now that you mention it you are right. my logic was everyone would blow everything on first pack and being 13 fort, i would get maybe half kingsbane duration. but probably still preferable to send it. thank you for pointing that out

[dark token]

During dance windows (e.g.) when u press kingsband

U should be garroting repeatedly

Not ambush

[blazing jewel]

What

[dark token]

If there is more than 1t

[worldly shadow]

ok

[dark token]

KB garrote envenom garrote garrote rupture

Something like this

[grim jay]

Hello fellow nichole fulltime enjoyer

[blazing jewel]

Who is that

[surreal citrus]

putting kb on something in m+ makes the entire group swap target to focus it I stg

[dark token]

Ambush is just to keep up caustic only

In aoe

Use more garrotes

[worldly shadow]

is it better to save vanish for KB ramp or just use on aoe to get more garrotes?

[grim jay]

#assassination message

[clever sapphire]

couldnt agree more on this, but i started not giving a flying feck about it

[dark token]

In any pack before the pull u need to identify highest HP mob and cleave ur CDs after that

[clever sapphire]

better send it than save it for nothing

[surreal citrus]

tru

[lucid rain]

well you are putting a dot on the target that ticks for a total of 1m+ damage

[blazing jewel]

[dark token]

It's dependant

[surreal citrus]

still feels bad not getting those final ticks

[clever sapphire]

i usually save vanish

[surreal citrus]

how dare that mob die

[dark token]

I usually use vanish with deathmark

[clever sapphire]

for aoe silence/restealth if chain pull or for boss dmg

[lucid rain]

sudden demise should work with kingsbane

[dark token]

But sometimes trash dies in my deathmark before I can get vanish off

[surreal citrus]

deathmark should double kb

[dark token]

In this case I will vanish solo on some pull

[surreal citrus]

[clever sapphire]

mobs getting executed at 35% hp instantly cause you have dm kb up

[dark token]

If my empowered dots tick off

(if it's a long pull)

[surreal citrus]

my sudden demise either doesn't go off or details doesn't log it

[dark token]

Small pull I'll hold it

[surreal citrus]

and I'm not sure which it is

[dark token]

So this galakronds fall pull 1

[clever sapphire]

did you sepc into it

[worldly shadow]

much appreciate all the advice and looking at the logs

[surreal citrus]

yes lmao

[dark token]

Did he pull in the big 2 mobs

[lucid rain]

dm/kb causes you to Za Warudo the mob you're attacking, allowing your kb to build over 15 seconds, at which point all damage that the mob took is dealt at once

[weak bane]

g

[dark token]

Into pull 1

[lucid rain]

[clever sapphire]

did you press bleeds

[worldly shadow]

can't recall, think it was long chain pulled into them

[dark token]

If he didn't pull a massive high health target

I won't send my dm

[surreal citrus]

[dark token]

(unless no one has cooldowns)

But I will send my KB dance

[wanton nest]

Why is my Kingsbane doing so much less dmg than logs I'm looking at.

[dark token]

It's 1 minute

Use it often

[wanton nest]

My skill usage looks similar

[lucid rain]

envenom uptime? are you playing dtb or ap?

[clever sapphire]

found the issue got it (but no idea, there should be even the smallest amount of SD execute in your details after a key no matter how shittty you do)

[worldly shadow]

if pull will die quickly, is it more important to get full KB caustic or to just get bleeds out on all targets?

[surreal citrus]

yeah I've done multiple keys and it's not in my details at all

idfk why

[strange python]

does it crit, tea active ? shiv active ? shadowdance or vanish active ? how many envenoms ar in there ?

[clever sapphire]

do you have any log to share?

[dark token]

Bleeds but if you send dance + KB earlier usually it ticks for the full pack and ur fine

[surreal citrus]

not rn cus I'm at work but perhaps later

[dark token]

Pack has to be really low HP and no one use cd

[clever sapphire]

unlucky

[dark token]

For you not to get full kb

[worldly shadow]

bleeds is garrote + rupture on full pack? and then send kb immediately after this? or crimson tempest first?

[strange python]

my kb does average 280k crit , should be good no ?

[dark token]

Snapshot crimson tempest on aoe if u already have 5 rupture out

I recommend u track scent of blood stacks

U only need 5 ruptures in m+ for max stacks

The rest of bleeds should be as many garrotes as possible

And crimson tempest

[worldly shadow]

ah i didn't know that. i thought you were supposed to garrote + rupture all targets until your IC ran out

[dark token]

If all bleeds are out that's when u envenom

[spring socket]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[dark token]

Also IC can overwrite ur empowered ruptures with shit ones

So example on 4t pull I do garrote garrote rupture

That's snapshotted 4 garrotes 3 ruptures

[worldly shadow]

hmm ok maybe i need to reexamine my weakauras to be sure to track that

[dark token]

I won't rupture 4th target until IC times out

Instead it's CT

Because if I IC it will remove my 2 nightstalkered ruptures

[worldly shadow]

so on 4t it would be garrote garrote rupture, ct, ambush, envenom, kb, etc.

[grim jay]

I dont think its worth to miss a whole rupture just because you overwrite 2 snapshotted ones

[fallen knoll]

Snapshotted ruptures are like 100 dps diff from regular ones so it's not that big of a deal

[dark token]

May be feelycraft from me honestly

[grim jay]

I mean 2x the snapshot isnt 100% of a ruptures damage

[dark token]

But if you already have 5 ruptures and some are empowered and some are not

It's not worth sending more that can erase em

Instead just CT envenom as finisher

[worldly shadow]

subterfuge counts as nightstalker correct? so you hvae 1 ability from stealth + 3 seconds? so you only get 3 empowered abilities per stealth?

[dark token]

Yes

If you don't have kingsbane up it's also ok to garrote garrote CT

But imo that makes ramp too long

If you are trying to do a KB dance ramp

[worldly shadow]

i think i am understanding much better now, thank you so much for all the help

[broken flame]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dark token]

Opener with CT first would be like garrote garrote CT fok rupture fok rupture mut envenom and then dance

Too long

Only acceptable if you save 5 cp

[glossy grove]

What do I have to know, if I have 4p?

[raven briar]

do big pump damage

[dark token]

I also like save 5 cp before a pack dies

[fallen knoll]

Subterfuge grants you access to stealth abilities for 3s, nightstalker gives u 10% dmg while stealth is active, different thing

[dark token]

And do something like rupture garrote garrote rupture

That's huge

Ramp is donr

[glossy grove]

Someone told me with 4p the rotation is changing, is that trueß

[worldly shadow]

correct but nightstalker is what snapshots right?

[dark token]

Then u just mut envenom deathmark

Big insta burst

[raven briar]

Not sure dont hvae tier yet

[fallen knoll]

Yes that's correct

[worldly shadow]

so you only have the 3 seconds to snapshot is what i was trying to ask

[static glacier]

look at this sudden demise

1.3m demise hit

[dark token]

Anyway main takeaway for u:

1. enchant ur gear, use the cheap ones for shit gear
2. during dances on aoe always garrote as ur builder unless all targets already have a max duration empowered garrote on em (e.g. 3t after ur first garrote)
3. don't sit on CDs it's often better to send them on CD then to leave em hanging. Especially ur 1 minute

[fallen knoll]

You don't get 3s of nightstalker, pretty sure it doesn't work that way with subterfuge, might be wrong tho test it out

[lyric grail]

anyone knows how to fix on plater the evenom buff? sometimes it doesnt goes away with no number

[raven briar]

Actually yes. With 4set you want to go into envenom phases. AKA get a ton of energy and spam ambush/muti and envenom to burst with the tier

[worldly shadow]

oh, then what am i snapshotting?

just 1 ability?

[worldly shadow]

understood, i will work on this. thank you

[fallen knoll]

Yes I think it's just one spell, subterfuge just gives you access to stealth abilities not stealth itself

[dark token]

Oh yeah also use CT during dance for snapshot btw

[fallen knoll]

Which is most of the time garrote and that's good

[dark token]

Ur kb window can be like dance/KB, garrote, envenom, garrote garrote CT ambush envenom

[glossy grove]

So i shoudln't just spam envenom when i have 5cp+, i have to wait till i got much energyß

[dark token]

Quite good

[lavish wing]

bring back MfD 😄

[raven briar]

Basically. You want to chain you envenoms and never let the debuff fall off, untill you run out of energy

[worldly shadow]

ah so during shadow dance everythign snapshots but out of regular stealth just 1 ability?

[raven briar]

Then you get it back up and go again

[hasty lava]

is slice and dice ever good to press in AOE ?

[worn sigil]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/y6TtVD2Gkbzfwmvd Felorisrogue in these fights. I’m aware my parses are quite high. But not high enough. Any things I should work on?

[glossy grove]

alright

[fallen knoll]

Yes cuz sd gives you 6s of nightstalker

[raven briar]

Whíspyrs newest video about Pooling explains it a bit. 6min video watch that for the most accurate explination

[glossy grove]

okay, i will watch it tyvm

[raven briar]

I dont have 4set yet so i can't test it myself

[royal lantern]

well, once yeha

[upper spear]

what % of my key damage should Spatter be? roughly

[raven briar]

I usually press it after the initial garotte AOE and ST

[sinful beacon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dark token]

Idk who is telling this

But nightstalker works during all of subterfuge

U get 3 snapshot abilities

[robust axle]

So ambush as a builder from stealth over mutilate?

[dark token]

Ambush and mutilate I'm treating as the same button

[midnight atlas]

If you are in dance/stealth use ambush as builder and empowered garrotes

[dark token]

It doesn't matter which

One often replaces the other

I don't make a conscious decision to use one or other

It's just for spatter uptime on aoe

[static glacier]

yes,

muting is some insanely small dps gain in some fringe scenarios but generally speaking always prio ambush over mut

[midnight atlas]

Or make a stance macro unless you have them on the same button using stealth bar

And forget about it.

[worn sigil]

Imo you shouldn’t really be making a conscious decision of wether to mutilate or ambush. Default is almost always ambush when possible. If you’re at the point where you are actively thinking about which to press, you’re already leagues ahead of me! 😂

[signal ore]

Hey guys, does it make sense to play double igira dagger ? I got one on normal and one from hc and im curious about the proc

[worldly shadow]

ah this was what i thought thank you for clarifying

[worn sigil]

If you have a nick of time, use that over normal unless the normal one is higher ilvl

[haughty flicker]

they're unique so no

cant equip both even if you wanted to

[worn sigil]

I wasn’t aware they where unique! Good to know 😂

[static glacier]

double nick of time from 17s or higher is better

[haughty flicker]

yeah first week it dropped on every single difficulty so i learned that it was unique fast lmao

[gaunt moat]

I do love 300% damage buff.

[arctic current]

unreal how 1 trinket is a 13kdps gain... why wont it drop?

[rotund oak]

what trinket?

[robust axle]

Are you wearing trinkes from 10.0?

[arctic current]

everbloom

[signal ore]

Haha wasnt aware of it xD i dont have the other dagger allthough im farming them since the Release of the mega dungeon 🤣

[dark token]

^

You just press button 1

[rotund oak]

ye its wicked

[dark token]

They are the same button now

[rotund oak]

im farming trinkets like a week now but nothing,not from doti nor from eb

[haughty flicker]

i mean it was a 9k dps upgrade for me at 476 with mythic trinkets

its just a big trinky

[worn sigil]

I got lucky and got it from my 5th everbloom. Then I got a myth one from vault

Also ended up getting nick of time hero. Still farming for the second one tho

[astral wharf]

anyone else having trouble in this m+ week? trash just dies too fast xD

[stable atlas]

I bought mine for 50k from a dh in my 2nd run

not leaving anything to chance

[rotund oak]

i was very unlucky with everything,ended up crafting a wpn and farming trinkets now

stupid @ss rng

[grim jay]

Thats messed up

[worn sigil]

Then again I also did 62 dungeons on week 1 so.. was bound to get it at some point

[rotund oak]

i did about the same number

somewhere close to 60

[grim jay]

I did over 120

[worn sigil]

Tats fkn ludicrous

[rotund oak]

why

[shy axle]

When doing those env-chains with 4p, you just to env - wait until the env buff is at 2 seconds to pandemic - env and so on until you have 1. no energy und regain it to start new ( ofc you need to press all cds and dots too) or is there another energy treshold you do not try to go under like 150 e without 4p?

[proper forum]

why do some rogues and sims use mutilate in stealth?

on ST

[grim jay]

Because why not. Had days off from working overtime and I had to get stuff done

[stable atlas]

I think cuz of the double attack and therefore poison appliance

but its not practical

[lyric grail]

i need help ! anyone using plater here? i have issues with personal bar and evenom buff not going away

[rotund oak]

can understand that ye but its 120 man.Its basicly 3 days doing keys

😄

[worn sigil]

Not gunna judge someone for enjoying their personal time are we? 🤪

[proper forum]

so would be the play to mutilate on st cleave fights like igira or tindral? to proc caustic

and ambush for pure ST

[grim jay]

Well considering it was 3 days in 5 full days and 2 days with a couple hours while starting wednesday at 5 am, its not too bad

[stable atlas]

no its during death mark cuz mutilate has 2 attack instances which can both apply poison to boost KB

[worn sigil]

Your caustic won’t hit spears on Igira in my experience

[proper forum]

oooh i see

[proper forum]

then my raid leaders gonna yell at me again lol

[thorny aurora]

Hey I have a rotational question: spamming envenom does not increase kingsbane damage within its window, right? What matters is not dropping the buff, correct?

[proper forum]

they should if people dont play like pelicans

[worn sigil]

Correct

[grim jay]

We ran many 17s for gear tho. Just pushed every dungeon to 20, getting vault to full 20s and then spaming 17s in no time at all. Galakrond always was like 16 min left

[thorny aurora]

That's what whispyr means by envenom chains in his videos?

[feral mason]

got both daggers now?

[viral apex]

Yo for high keys, are you guys using ice corruption pots?

[worn sigil]

Tell ur RL to try sin and tell you how it feels on igira

[rotund oak]

im kinda whatever tbh,ill get my HC firestarter trinket for ST and farm everbloom tbh

[feral mason]

i was very glad i didnt have to spam that fall dungeon man xd, got both daggers in 2 runs

[grim jay]

Still only 1, but I only did like 25 keys of that so far

[rotund oak]

got dreamcarver dagger yday from HC

[worn sigil]

Personally I stick with vers.

[rotund oak]

so im kinda fine 4p+2 wpns

[viral apex]

Thanks slick

[shy axle]

do you prefer the Artif shock build or the hybrid one for higher keys?

[rotund oak]

hybrid

[worn sigil]

I play hybrid personally

[rotund oak]

but both are cool

[clever sapphire]

tell your raidlead, to tell your group to make all the spears stand inside the boss, now you can cleave

[worn sigil]

Feels better in ST

[worn sigil]

“I want EVERYONE” on these spears. Even melee. Hard swap we have soak inc”
“Um. Excuse me mr. RL. I can’t soak when I take 400k dmg from the damned fire pools..”

[rotund oak]

same here,yday had to press espace and do spears

btch the only spears ild do is britney

[worn sigil]

LMAO

[clever sapphire]

i just spec into spatter, and if they ask me why low spear dmg, i tell them why so far away from boss

[worn sigil]

“Dude you didn’t target a spear a single time”
“Ok? Use purge the wicked on it. Idk man. I used a single fan of knives.. sorry I didn’t get a poison application from it. What more do you want from me.”

I just go brrrr on Igira 😉

[clever sapphire]

ranges: clicks on spear, presses ability, is never in danger, doesnt lose dmg
melee: clicks on spear, "too far away", now you are in lava ticking for 1/3rd of your hp, dmg on spears still too low because you took too long
rl: well done ranges, melee please focus the spears more

[worn sigil]

Pretty much..

Then you get ur 6 fkn ret Pallas to do it from the fuckin stairs 😂

[clever sapphire]

good thing i just ignore spears, and if my raidlead trys to argue with me im gonna find atleast 1 ranged who barely targeted spears, and tell him why he wants ME to target spears

[pine dew]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[dark token]

Why are your raid leads arguing about sin rogue spear dmg

I didn't target a single spear

It's all spatter

[clever sapphire]

cause the people are 20 teemos away from the boss so i dont spatter

(but nobody argued in my raid so far about spears, jsut wanted to get into the convo)

[dark token]

Tell em to cluster more then lol

[worn sigil]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/y6TtVD2Gkbzfwmvd