assassination

[sharp falcon]

i dont even really love that

[silk bane]

dude i think i started a civil war in sub and now im scared to go back there 😐

[sharp falcon]

spatter is a choice with anything

[raven echo]

Stay here, sub's trash

[sharp falcon]

but it's new so, talent made most sense

[cunning basin]

What the fuck happened

[royal lantern]

Spatter has 1giant problem

it should be named Splatter

[haughty flicker]

the same thing thats always happening in sub

[indigo mulch]

feel free to make it baseline. You have my seal of approval.

[haughty flicker]

dust chat that goes nuclear

[cunning basin]

Spatter is fuckin sick

[blazing jewel]

I love caustic spatula

[shrewd night]

TRUE BASE REAL TRUE BASE REAL TRUE BASE REAL TRUE BASE REAL

[sharp falcon]

hard disagree

[fallen raven]

caustic sputter

[cunning basin]

Bruh spatter and splatter are like the same word

And mean the same thing

[oak tangle]

ngl, i didn't realise it wasn't splatter

[haughty flicker]

spatter should be spritzer in all translations

[cunning basin]

Just say splatter everyone will know what you mean anyways

[royal lantern]

its ok, everyone has bad opinions sometimes

or in my case all the time

[shrewd night]

Nah, we do things literal here. If you say splatter we go "wtf is that a new talent??"

[cunning basin]

Same bro it's cuz I was born without wrinkles on brain

[blazing jewel]

Okay big question for the man. Realz did you have any say in allowing tauren to become rogues

[runic hinge]

I like pedantically correcting my guild when they say splatter

[cunning basin]

Shhh don't tell them

[balmy condor]

my turn for "are we aware of"

• The mutilate/blindside screwing up logs because when blindside procs the off-hand hit of mutilate gets counted as an ambush but then does the damage of the mutilate or something. Current idea is that because blindside overrides the sub-spells by label, the mainhand hit is overriding and then the offhand hit is too slow and gets caught by the override. Should be fixable if the override instead happens on the off-hand impact on mut (27576) instead of the main hand

[sharp falcon]

splatter is what happens when you drop a can of paint off a ladder

spatter is what happens when drops of something (caustic, poison-infused blood...) sprays out as globules

[shrewd night]

Splatter sounds cooler, and is more gentle on non-native speakers

[balmy condor]

can we rename poison bomb to poison splatter then

[shrewd night]

[cunning basin]

This

[sharp viper]

https://tenor.com/view/hype-why-gif-9257573

why can't i hold all these poisons

[cunning basin]

Me trying to proc poison bomb so the other melee can't see ground circles

[royal lantern]

isnt pb hidden for Others

[shrewd night]

Less intrusive than defile

Riot against dks

[indigo mulch]

I removed it so i cant see it on the ground cause i just get triggered when the tanks runs out of it as soon as it procs.

😦

[cunning basin]

Only way to fix that is make it more intrusive

[sharp viper]

revenge on all the fucking consecrations

[shrewd night]

YES

Bigger poison bomb, longer duration

[keen spruce]

u think you can hide in here

[cunning basin]

Ashen hallow

[shrewd night]

[sharp falcon]

i find this hilarious and the speculation is very close to what happens // is happening

[balmy condor]

:tacoruit

[sharp viper]

poison bomb/splatter should be a globe instead of a texture, noone gets to see anything

[royal lantern]

my entire Screen needs to be green

including UI elements

[silk bane]

IT WASNT EVEN MY FAULT

[keen spruce]

[cunning basin]

When the patch hit one of my buddies I was running a key with got terrified when it proc'd

[balmy condor]

common rogue TC W

[shrewd night]

I can hire someone to give you a green filter when pb procs, ez

[cunning basin]

"what the fuck is that?!"

[keen spruce]

i mean i think it more my fault

than yours

[indigo mulch]

Yes, i legit think tanks see it and think its something bad an reposition the mobs 😦

[royal lantern]

wait, PB is visible too Others now?

[runic hinge]

I yell at my tanks despite the fact they can’t see it lol

[cunning basin]

Almost as funny as my blood dk friend being terrified of SLT

[sharp falcon]

is the OH-hit labeled as ambush doing OH-mut damage numbers?

[cunning basin]

As far as I know, I've gotten comments on it

[balmy condor]

yes

[royal lantern]

bruh

[sharp falcon]

if yes, i've seen that timing issue before elsewhere

ok

helpful

[rare jackal]

get HIYA in my youtube feed
the rotation is already BIYA
cant make this shit up

[balmy condor]

it even shows up twice

cause it's just

it's weird

[silk bane]

^ bro the pin lasted 18 seconds

[rare jackal]

what if blindside was reverted

[balmy condor]

mutilate double hit ambush but that is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check him pc and game.....Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the game deficit ...and this cant seem on game screen..He needs to check-up....

[sharp falcon]

it's not a perfect characterization but the tldr is, that's what happens when a spell gets overridden mid-cast

[cunning basin]

I may be wrong, I'm just now realizing I was sharing my screen when I got comments on it so possible that was why

[smoky leaf]

Wtf I just learned assassin over past few days and opener/rotation is changed already 😂😂

[balmy condor]

yeah and we just got told that it's a bug that's getting fixed and now we're changing back

[cunning basin]

Welcome to new patch stuff

[balmy condor]

reworks are fun

[raven echo]

And reverted back to the old one

[smoky leaf]

NO WAY LOL

Going back to old one exactly how it was?

[balmy condor]

I'm making bank off wowhead this patch cycle this is great

[sharp falcon]

it was like 0.3% optimization MAYBE, you may relax and continue on (this is what im worried about)

[balmy condor]

just flip flopping back and forth

old opener

new opener

old opener

[oak tangle]

what is the reason we need to cast an original SnD if cttc just means it's a singular cast anyway

[cunning basin]

This is why it's important to keep up to date in the discord and be flexible 👍 whispyr does the theory crafting work so I can just press the buttons he tells me to

[balmy condor]

this is invoicable time

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/parkour-theoffice-freerunning-gif-5128248

[cunning basin]

Major bag alert????

[sharp viper]

You get paid per article?

[cunning basin]

[keen spruce]

let's just. agree to not change anything for like 2 weeks. no matter what hotfixes come in. so we can all just vibe for a bit

[royal lantern]

leme hit raid bosses

[midnight mist]

aint no wya I spent 30H last nights to learn the new opeener and its alread ychanged

gg

[cunning basin]

Me see .3% me change to get .3%

[clever sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

[indigo mulch]

30hrs

[smoky leaf]

No ur good Zac LUL

[keen spruce]

no it's changed back dw

[sharp falcon]

as a brief unrelated aside: if anyone happens to know what circumstances cause SnD healing from recuperator to turn off, let me know. No need to spend a bunch of effort testing or anything, just if u happen to know

[smoky leaf]

Back to old rotation 😂😂

[grand trail]

30h? i spend 45h last night

[royal lantern]

french people have timetravle mate

[midnight mist]

long nights man

[runic hinge]

Someone said earlier it’s when you vanish

[smoky leaf]

He said NIGHTS not night

[sharp falcon]

i don't think it's that simple but could be related, yeah

[balmy condor]

I cant believe I spent all week last night fixing sims so I can spend all month tonight fixing them back

[smoky leaf]

LOL whispyr

[cunning basin]

And tomorrow you'll spend all year rewriting the article in time for 11.0

[midnight mist]

fix sims fast pls I have raid tomorrow

[oak tangle]

i spent all afternoon this morning reading the guide to only changen othing tomorrow

[silk bane]

what happened to dust ER sub? susge

[scarlet aspen]

do we have to cancelaura blindside during KB? heard someone saying that today, does it even wroth doing?

[sharp falcon]

sin sims briefly tipped their hand, then immediately 'nerfed' their sims to sandbag harder, smh

[balmy condor]

The graveyard next to my desk must grow

[midnight mist]

friendship with sub ended im a sin one trick now

[vapid skiff]

based

[cunning basin]

REAL AND TRUE

[cunning basin]

Based as fuck tbh

[balmy condor]

we sandbagged too close to the sun

[placid cobalt]

u guys think is there any chance that they'll ever make IC work without the stealth requirement? Kinda feels bad in high keys asking my tank to waste time for my restealths, and feels equally bad not being able to spread bleed easily if he doesnt...

[cunning basin]

Friendship with sub ended when dust became the play

[silk bane]

🤝

[sharp falcon]

Assassicarus

[royal lantern]

im freezing rn, gimme some sun

[oak tangle]

do we just release sims without casting garrote

[smoky leaf]

New Sin rework is actually kind of a vibe, I'm enjoying it

[clever sapphire]

nope its not worth it

[vapid skiff]

sin rework is fucking amazing

[clever sapphire]

dont do that, would make assa boring

just gotta play around your vanish/dance windows

[smoky leaf]

I have no clue what old ST sin spec was like, you guys overall happy with the new one?

[clever sapphire]

making sure you have one or the other up for when you wanna spread many bleeds

[oak tangle]

i'd be down for a choice node with dm for an aoe centric playstyle in m+

[cunning basin]

There's just gonna be times you don't get a restealth, it's aight sin is cranking

[royal lantern]

would prefer less KB dmg, but good overall ye

[cunning basin]

Very happy spec fucks

[placid cobalt]

@clever sapphire i mean i'd been playing a couple 27's yesterday, with this pug tank he would chain a pack when there was like 1 mob left at 10% hp

i was like fuming

[smoky leaf]

So u dont like that it's a auggy/PI spec now?

[royal lantern]

FUCK

AUG

[cunning basin]

Nobody wants to be a PI spec

[royal lantern]

AND FUCK PI

[balmy condor]

pin actually lasted a full 58 minutes

[smoky leaf]

Or just smoother dmg profile

[cunning basin]

It puts a target on your back

[rare jackal]

et tu whispus?

[royal lantern]

DELETE BOTH THANKS

[placid cobalt]

i get u got spells to play around it but u wouldnt do nearly as much dmg as a tank allowing restealths, but if he does then ur wasting time key in general

[silk bane]

its joever

was fun while it lasted

goodbye garrote goes brrrrrr

[scarlet aspen]

sin is like the demo and unholy in 10.1 tho

[oak tangle]

all pi/aug does, is get you nerfed, or make you feel like shit cause you dont get them

[balmy condor]

now the question is what do I do with the video

[grand trail]

im playing it till fix

[sharp falcon]

my brother in garona, it doesn't make as much of an impact as you might think, rest easy even if cant always restealth

[balmy condor]

just a delete angle right

[grand trail]

so propably whole season 😄

[silk bane]

nah, slam a staty tuned for part 2

[haughty flicker]

i think it has to be a deleto

[royal lantern]

yes 🙂

[haughty flicker]

unfortunately

[cunning basin]

Need a "based" emote so I ain't gotta keep writing it out in reacts

[silk bane]

then unveil the non sand bagged version

[smoky leaf]

If all that was different was garrote spam in stealths how come opener changed to rupture before snd? (Ik were going back to old rotation)

[clever sapphire]

man i gotta save whispyrs "restealths dont matter" video somewhere, i could use it every day in this channel

[rare jackal]

absolutely not, let misinformation stay up and never retract anything

[keen spruce]

i'm tellin you.. overlay in post with some dancin banner that just says "all of this is irrelevant now" and loud music playing

could still farm some views

[royal lantern]

make a new video that explains why its a bug, get those clicks

[placid cobalt]

@sharp falcon i have honestly no idea how much is the dmg difference actually, just feel good to see 6 garrotes go off in 2 globals compared to one every 6 secs tho 😄

[haughty flicker]

time for another banger whispyr short

[balmy condor]

is this something youtube allows still I thought they got rid of all their shit

[keen spruce]

or you can farm the Apology Video content machine

[vapid skiff]

just remove PI and Aug buffs already blizzard ples

[sharp falcon]

true, thats fair, just sayin the dmg lost is small so its okay to be smallMad instead of bigMad

[keen spruce]

big clickbait "I Lied" header

[clever sapphire]

https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog?si=2PJ1yqvgHTmxsExk

[cunning basin]

Even in 25+ keys I've not really had much issue in terms of restealth. There's always gonna be some chain pulls you don't get them and have to play around burst window

[keen spruce]

start the video with a deep sigh

[rare jackal]

whisypr about to get community noted

[keen spruce]

oh you might be right

[clever sapphire]

if this guy can talk 30 minutes about why you shouldnt care, im gonna trust him on that

[balmy condor]

hmmge

[keen spruce]

idk how they do stuff like that anymore

[balmy condor]

do I just

ad break

the entire video

[keen spruce]

ig blur it out. info card. then like 700 ads

ye

[cunning basin]

Yes

[empty hinge]

Does sark cloak still get out us of stealth in m+ when tank gets in combat

[midnight mist]

what if I play outlaw and I cant get restealth tho, can whispyr make a video on that

[raven echo]

I mean the fix is not live yet so it can stay up until it is. On the other hand it's a very small gain

[smoky leaf]

You better believe it

[silk bane]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1172735051025371156/ZacFetchRavenholdt.gif?ex=656165a0&is=654ef0a0&hm=e0d0300cf98b2f354fc9440393f67785ee628016efefd8446fce55037090872f&

[balmy condor]

wait

AINT NO WAY

[clever sapphire]

thats somthing this green guy from outlaw should do. He is some french outlaw main, dunno if you saw him there yet

[oak tangle]

the issue with restealth more than anything is that you have to be more reactive on openers or casts that you otherwise would, it's nice to have a reset point to go back to at times

[balmy condor]

youtube is such a dystopian hell world

good god

[midnight mist]

nah bro aint no way im figuring out how much loss is not getting restealth

[cunning basin]

True

[midnight mist]

will let people cry about it

[cunning basin]

Same

[keen spruce]

this is the old one

[silk bane]

where new one

[clever sapphire]

do outlaw cry about it? like surely now with all the uhuh and crackshot or whatever talent it came up that they want restealths so they can spam bte

[cunning basin]

LMAOOOOO

[silk bane]

basd af

[keen spruce]

had to fix spellin error

[oak tangle]

outlaw can like freely slap vanish though

[haughty flicker]

brother outlaw vanishes every 20s who gives a shit about restealthing

[silk bane]

work of art

[indigo mulch]

Cute.

[smoky leaf]

Wow I never thought about how not getting restealthed in keys effects crackshot dmg now you gave me a reason to be salty at tanks zac

[silk bane]

uve out done yourself mr shmeeps

[smoky leaf]

Jk

[balmy condor]

despair

[haughty flicker]

as soon as you click tht

[clever sapphire]

its outlaw, you never know what they crying about this time

[keen spruce]

[haughty flicker]

realz gonna change his mind

[oak tangle]

mark as unlisted but post the link in some random section

[balmy condor]

I still have the mp4

it's fine

[royal lantern]

whisp beeing a ethical human

wow

[balmy condor]

yeah not sandbagging my youtube content

very weird

[cunning basin]

behavior

[clever sapphire]

thats why he not getting the big bucks from youtube, not enough outdated and clickbait content

[potent dawn]

When you said you recorded it and messed up the opener during it was your heart telling you it was a lie before you knew it

[scarlet aspen]

garrot spamming in deathmark is no longer avalaible?

[grand trail]

im garrote spammer in my heart anyway

you cant undo

[oak tangle]

just retitle the video "THI OPENER DOES NOT WORK"

[raven echo]

It's a bug, gonna get fixed

[smoky leaf]

New rotation as of November 13th, 2023 (Outdated as of November 14th, 2023) easy fix to the video

[thorn needle]

@balmy condor thanks for the new vid - just a quick question - I notice your mutilate changes to ambush with a blindside proc - is that a macro you’re running?

[cunning basin]

I just have a negative IQ so I press buttons and hope they're the right ones

[scarlet aspen]

so getting extra cp is a bug

ok

[cunning basin]

It is baseline now

[scarlet aspen]

at least it makes the rotation easier, good to know that

[fleet pagoda]

now that the video is deleted, realz will come back with a "the bug can stay for a while i guess"

[smoky leaf]

It's new to the game

[keen spruce]

Wait so this means the long ass typed out rotation I gave scana earlier was actually correct

[raven echo]

New rotation as of November 14th, 2023 (Outdated as of November 14th, 2023) easy fix to the video **

[balmy condor]

I recorded 5 versions before the one that I posted where I was like hitting things and it was shit, or I did the opener and bungled it or I just rambled constantly

[keen spruce]

THIS IS LIKE THE "I REFUSE TO PLAY EXANG" IN SEASON 1 ALL OVER AGAIN

[balmy condor]

that's just the game ye

[keen spruce]

shmeeps always ends up bein right

one way or another

[smoky leaf]

LUL

[keen spruce]

[thorn needle]

Huh…. So my old start attack / form shift macro is actually making my life harder… shiiittt

[midnight mist]

no because they arent aware that outlaw have always lost more damage from not getting restealth than sin

so we are fine

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-duck-hq-gif-14135789286957337379

[grand trail]

true

[cunning basin]

I feel like people just whine about things to whine

[clever sapphire]

screenshotting and posting in outlaw, im starting a civil war against you for not telling them this

[royal lantern]

took you that long to realise? 😄

[smoky leaf]

It's all we've ever known

[midnight mist]

ok

[cunning basin]

" I can't get restealth life is so hard "

[balmy condor]

farewell actions.stealthed+=/garrote,if=stealthed.improved_garrote&(pmultiplier<=1|dot.deathmark.ticking)&combo_points.deficit>=5you will be missed

[kind forge]

[oak tangle]

i'm telling ya, restealth while not a dps thing, is a shit feels thing

[royal lantern]

like

outlaw and assa stealth benefits where equal or even more skewed too outlaw for a LOOOONG time now

yet Outlaw was the "doesnt need stealth" spec and assa was "unplayable with no re-stealths"

and now suddenly outlaw is "unplayable" with no stealth aswell

[cunning basin]

I've legit never had a problem with feeling like I need to restealth and not being able to

[buoyant kraken]

Yo guys, just to be clear. I see outlaw as the top simming spec. But is this also the top performing spec in a real scenario? Or are all specs around the same performance?

[tacit oar]

Depends

[oak tangle]

come back in a week or 2

[cunning basin]

We don't know

[tacit oar]

If you need burst outlaw is bad

[cunning basin]

Keep your eyes on rwf and play around with stuff

[royal lantern]

remove the "need burst" from.that sentence

[hardy dagger]

[keen spruce]

we don't even know our opener how we gonna say what spec is best

[raven echo]

We'll see when the raid opens. Mechanics etc might change stuff

[smoky leaf]

Raid isn't out yet. But ST fights with assassin getting juiced by pi and aug buffs they will def slam

[cunning basin]

If you outlaw is bad

Kinda true tbh

[dusty lance]

I s there an exact specific time we want to ask for PI?

[blazing jewel]

dh needs a buff smh

[smoky leaf]

Deathmark

[cunning basin]

On deathmark

[clever sapphire]

i dont want their filthy externals

[dusty lance]

ty

[midnight mist]

buff outlaw

[placid cobalt]

i mean i didnt mean to start a whole debate about stealth. I love reworks for both specs, i simply personally dislike having to choose between doing less damage than i could or have the tank purposefully waste time so i can restealth. Seems like an outdated concept in modern day wow where every other class doesnt care about being in combat or not, but then again, it's an opinion, albeit not a popular one 😄

[buoyant kraken]

You know what.. Fuck outlaw. I can tolerate playing sub, outlaw not so much

[hardy dagger]

Woah there nerf bm

[clever sapphire]

nerf sub

[tacit oar]

Nerf bm

[keen spruce]

sandbagging

[tacit oar]

Feral wtf

[raven echo]

Sin not on table give 15% aura buff

[keen spruce]

[smoky leaf]

I did my first key last night with new outlaw and my eyes were glued to weakaura, if anyone thought outlaw was an ADHD spec before u dont know what ur in for now

[fleet pagoda]

is bm's logs still cooked from not attributing aug?

[haughty flicker]

i made sure to play like shit to intentionally lower outlaw logs, why arent these people doing the same

[cunning basin]

I just wing it in outlaw

[tacit oar]

Everyone reroll feral

[cunning basin]

Ignore my WA and yoloball everything

[royal lantern]

i rather play shit DF outlaw then shity dust sub

[raven echo]

Get the last gcd and ace wa it'll help a lot

[smoky leaf]

That's one way to do it

[midnight mist]

ye

[grand trail]

idk i try to like new sub

[smoky leaf]

I find the sound too low I made my own wa for it but I should prob get the ace one

[grand trail]

but idk if its worth the effort

[cunning basin]

fuck dust

[grand trail]

will have to see

[steel spire]

My hunter is called nerf bm for good reason

Get em out

[smoky leaf]

Are subs happy about new sub?

[clever sapphire]

what no, let bm stay. They are there for all the mechanics

[buoyant kraken]

Is dust the way to go in sub now?

[cunning basin]

The no dust role icon been kinda clutch I've seen a lotta people with it kek

[cunning basin]

As far as I know yes, but I'd suggest checking #subtlety

[buoyant kraken]

Ye not playing that either.

[smoky leaf]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen spruce]

you can tell by the number of blue names in assas, and the icon next to their names

[oak tangle]

don't you assume my colour

[keen spruce]

the answers to your questions @smoky leaf @buoyant kraken

[smoky leaf]

Yup according to fuu its invigorating shadowdust spec

[royal lantern]

the RH refugee crisis

[kind forge]

cant hide my blue

[cunning basin]

TO BE FAIR

[raven echo]

I never liked sub that much tbh. Sin and outlaw feels much better even though they are almost opposite in gameplay

[cunning basin]

My name is only blue bc I have all 3 roles and I think sub is the first one I clicked or smth when I joined

[steel spire]

Dagger bros unite fuck outlaw

[smoky leaf]

TRUE LOL

[balmy condor]

wait this also destroys the env gar env in vanish

[clever sapphire]

the order is always sub > outlaw > assa

[smoky leaf]

I had to learn sin cause my guild was tired of me being an outlaw andy the entire expansion

[clever sapphire]

no matter when or how you click them

[keen spruce]

[cunning basin]

I thought so

[balmy condor]

DUDE I WANTED TO GO TO SLEEP AT A REASONABLE HOUR TODAY MAN FUCK

[keen spruce]

now u have to mut - vanish/bush - rupture - gar

[raven echo]

Oh boy

[royal lantern]

so its must vanish->do whatsver you have cp for

[cunning basin]

I played sub end of s1 and all of s2 so ye. But dust is a bridge too far or smth

[sick aspen]

do the great vault dawn of the infinite weapons still have the timestrike?

[tacit oar]

It's 10am

[steel spire]

please sir whis what do we do

[lusty gust]

Sleep is for the weak

[cunning basin]

Ye

[oak tangle]

what does timestrike do

[raven echo]

I recently learned that some sims can take up to 16 hours

[smoky leaf]

It strikes time

[cunning basin]

1% free damage

[tacit oar]

Holy shit

[clever sapphire]

dmg

[balmy condor]

time to earrape hardstyle for the next 3 hours while I madge update all my shit

[cunning basin]

Idk or care what the actual proc does but ik it's free dam so run it

[balmy condor]

I've seen longer

[cunning basin]

[balmy condor]

pretty common practice for some sims to just let it run overnight though

[shut owl]

I wish you luck friend

[oak tangle]

i heard something like it is a chance to duplicate main hand damage?

[sharp viper]

Lies

[cunning basin]

It's like a proc that does some small % of damage repeated

[balmy condor]

do not talk about augvoker sims

[kind forge]

why do you have the icon i wonder

[raven echo]

So the time is approaching for us to become 2dg m+ spammer everbloom and doti here we come

[balmy condor]

in order to sim the targets to simp on augvoker they have to sim a whole raid stack

[steel spire]

[balmy condor]

so they're just actually simming multiple characters

[cunning basin]

But essentially timestrike boils down to 1% free DPS per dagger

[cunning basin]

That sounds like an unreasonable amount of pain

[shut owl]

Let them sim raw. They can cry only when the healers out damage em

[cunning basin]

Who would voluntarily do that

[keen spruce]

funny peepo

[smoky leaf]

So not only do we need to great vault nick of times TWICE but we gotta get time strike versions of them? THANKS BLIZZARD

[cunning basin]

It always has timestrike

So you just need to get it x2

[smoky leaf]

Oh nvm

[cunning basin]

Ez

[smoky leaf]

THANKS BLIZZARD

[balmy condor]

yah well, funnily enough simulationcraft wasn't built with the idea in mind that support specs are a thing that need to exist back in warlords

[shut owl]

I mean... That's been the woe of any melee with a proc-weapon

[smoky leaf]

Flashback to never getting crawg tusks from great vault the entire aberrus tier

[cunning basin]

Yeah I can imagine LMAO I was about to say how in the hell is that even something that simc has computing power for

[shut owl]

We just haven't had a fancy dagger in the m+ pool for a while

[cunning basin]

I never got one on 3 rogues

[smoky leaf]

RIP

[cunning basin]

GRANTED I did not fill my vault every week on all 3 so grain of salt

[smoky leaf]

I never got the azure vault weapon from season 1 either

[oak tangle]

aug sims should not show dps but "yes" or "no"

[slim hamlet]

Alright so I just read a fuckton of messages. Am I getting it right that something changed but now isn't changing in around 20 minutes?

[cunning basin]

But still 1-3 slots every week for at least 13ish weeks

[balmy condor]

multi-threading on windows was also a large issue

[shut owl]

I managed to not get dice, or crawg across 5 characters in two expansions lol

[fleet pagoda]

we went full circle, yeah

[cunning basin]

Yup essentially

[slim hamlet]

So just exactly same as before?

[smoky leaf]

They really need to add some kind of psuedo target farming to great vault somehow the pool of items are too large

[raven echo]

Like it never happened

[low quartz]

how much energy do yall try n pull before your dance (not dm)

[slim hamlet]

Alright going to bed again good luck soldiers

[shut owl]

I'm omega bummed. I was garrote spamming in m+ and having a blast

[low quartz]

*pool

[runic hinge]

Just get good rng. It’s easy

[smoky leaf]

Truege

[shut owl]

Just wait for dinars in s4 ez

[cunning basin]

Yeah I mean deterministic gearing would be lit. I feel like if you're running mythic from the get go it would be reasonable to deterministically get the drops you want by the middle of the tier

[runic hinge]

Okay be back to terrorize you all with bad jokes tomorrow

[oak tangle]

deterministic would unironically make the game shit

[cunning basin]

But some people hate that and want the luck of the draw shit

[smoky leaf]

Not entirely certain but in pretty sure we just pool 80% for a new envenom chain and the cds you just blast

[cunning basin]

Why

[tacit oar]

I need vault to fulfill my gambling addiction

[oak tangle]

you think you want to get all your gear asap. but getting that gear asap removes a large portion of the draw to playing

[indigo mulch]

Feel free to rewrite simc to support CUDA then we can prob have aug sims as well 😄

[raven echo]

Tbf how mch difference would be between an end if dg dagger and vault one if you did a 20

[dusty lance]

I have a really stupid question. do you guys have any tips on how to practice on dummys on sealth classes without details resetting every time I invis

[cunning basin]

For others sure. I could be bis geared day one and still raid and do m+ every week until the tier ends

I do recognize that is not a sentiment a lot of people share

[smoky leaf]

Never happened both tiers for me for weapons Idk what it is about weaps lol

[oak tangle]

it's well documented in games like poe, when people drop magebloods / headhunters they play much less and quit the league

[smoky leaf]

I have this same issue lol

[clever sapphire]

you can set details to dynamic overall or whatever its called, that doesnt reset on stealth

[cunning basin]

But I still believe that being able to acquire gear in a deterministic way by ~mid tier or a bit later would not significantly harm the games health

[clever sapphire]

you just gotta make sure to reset details manually when you wanna start a new practice

[midnight mist]

use overal

[cunning basin]

^

[fleet pagoda]

speaking of, i'm like 8 minutes in of forgetting to reset, spending DM, and then tabbing out again to go back and forget to reset

[sharp viper]

Fated coins

[indigo mulch]

I just looked at a video of someone explaining General Matrix Multiplication and how to use it to boost performance of an application.

[cunning basin]

I never said it wasn't that way, I do think a lot of people just play the game for gear, but I feel like there's a middle ground where you could deterministically acquire gear late enough for it to still feel good but still be before the end of the tier(or never in some cases)

[royal lantern]

giving people everything fast would be bad, cus like, its a fact that 10.1/10.1.5 had a lower drive when you are full geared with almost 0ways to improve in week3 (and releasing the biggest mistske in the games history in 10.1.5 doesnt help)

some deterministic way when a patch is half over? sure, but from start is a death sentence

[cunning basin]

That was my implication

Not that you just get everything you want in 2 weeks and GG(I want that, but nobody else does)

More like if you're consistently doing content throughout the patch the option to target specific gear in vault becomes available as the tier progresses

[raven echo]

Like designate a specific gear slot?

[oak tangle]

they could do the loot box rules, and not allow duplicates

with a check box to enable that obviously

[midnight mist]

I think its a bit cringe that you can spend entire tier without seeing an item

[cunning basin]

Idk what it'd have to be to be balanced, I am not a game designer, but I feel like there's no way that I should have cleared every mythic boss minus sark 10+ times and still be missing pieces I want

[midnight mist]

even when you are clearing early and shit

ye

I never got a mythic neth trinket

[cunning basin]

Same

[oak tangle]

i didn't get eranog ring until 1 week before 10.1

[midnight mist]

its a bit whatver but idk, shouldnt happen imo

[cunning basin]

We had 3 drop and they went to other people, and I never saw one in vault

[midnight mist]

ye

[cunning basin]

I never got an eranog ring

[clever sapphire]

i never got eranog ring, the other rogue in the guild got it in vault 3 weeks in a row on mythic

[midnight mist]

nothing worse than just looting your things the week before next patch

[cunning basin]

Clearing first 2 mythic on 5ish toons

Yup

[oak tangle]

yup, cause if you dont get it, you never really get the feeling of what could have been

[chrome harbor]

there's no such thing as bad luck... just like there's no war in ba sing se

[cunning basin]

That's all I'm saying. Gear progression speed I think is gonna be fine this patch since afaik they slowed it down a tiny bit

[clever sapphire]

you mean how i got mythic experiments trinket last week and thats actually now my bis trinket cause i got nothing better?

[midnight mist]

haha

same actually

since they nerfed beacon

[clever sapphire]

i never saw a single bacon on my rogue

[chrome harbor]

i got anvil on my alt from TW

I was so mad

[cunning basin]

Now if we're talking scorching hot takes

[clever sapphire]

all my other alts got bacon and zskarn bomb on like every second vault

[steel spire]

I always believed in the class trinket

[arctic current]

shit no garrote spam wtf lol

[oak tangle]

the cringest thing was watching the RWF and seeing them drop like 3 or so rare items on all their heroic sark kills. and then we do it and it took us 5 kills to get 1

[arctic current]

i was just getting the hang of it XD

[cunning basin]

My personal desire would be to be able to just have and freely swap my bis gear from day one as needed so I can perform optimally for every boss from the start

[chrome harbor]

no garrotte spam is the best thing since sliced bread

[crisp pine]

sliced and diced bread you mean?

[cunning basin]

But that's because I raid for the experience and bc it's fun, gear is meaningless, it comes and goes every patch so who cares

[slim hamlet]

So is this garrote spam because shrouded right?

And now it don't give?

[midnight mist]

I nevre got a nm or hc beacon, went the whole progress playing with the rock trinket, was lucky getting my first beacon directly in mythic a bit after

[chrome harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/aubrey-drake-graham-ayyy-ayye-you-thats-you-gif-13506999

[slim hamlet]

Am still concussion

[oak tangle]

afaik it's spread your dots, and spatter a fat kingbane

[fleet pagoda]

yeah. the 5cp in DM is a bug and will be fixed before long, probably

[slim hamlet]

Wait we got 5cp in dm?

[cunning basin]

I didn't get a bomb dispenser till my first mythic zskarn kill, and it was the only one we ever dropped

[slim hamlet]

[cunning basin]

12 weeks

No bomb

[fleet pagoda]

due to shrouded, yeah

[slim hamlet]

I literally didn't know, haven't been asked to dummy yet

Well

No change for me then

Rip bozos

[cunning basin]

True and real

[fleet pagoda]

it was like a .3% difference at most

supposedly*

[midnight mist]

gg

[slim hamlet]

Yea was afraid we would get 1cp in dance with shrouded

3 is just fine for me

[cunning basin]

My rclc note when it dropped was "please"

[slim hamlet]

Was thinking m+

[cunning basin]

Lmao

[fleet pagoda]

true. also, the subterfuge exit of the opener is affected

[steel spire]

Silly rogues asking for loot when clearly the monk buff gets prio for anything for simply being the buff

[cunning basin]

I did have a mythic bomb in my vault like last week tho

Right on time

[balmy condor]

[slim hamlet]

Barely since you are extending ruptures in dance right?

[slim hamlet]

Gg rerolling

[cunning basin]

Hey we have a buff too

[steel spire]

I guess we go sub

[slim hamlet]

Time for survival

[midnight mist]

NAH

[fleet pagoda]

i think it was originally env, gar, env. but idkfa anymore

[midnight mist]

its so over

[cunning basin]

3.6%

My details name all tier

[slim hamlet]

Ohhhh that subterfuge

I mean it's whatever

1 less gcd

Gg

[cunning basin]

Gg

It's joever

Cooked spec

[slim hamlet]

^

[oak tangle]

i'd prefer they just flat removed vanish from being a dps cd

[steel spire]

[cunning basin]

Ehhhhh I don't think that's possible lol

[slim hamlet]

So who snitched to Realz?

[cunning basin]

The pins KEK

[fleet pagoda]

realz is omniscient

[steel spire]

They fixed the wrong bug

[oak tangle]

realz confirmed whispyr yt enjoyer

[cunning basin]

I think he said he been knew about it tho

[slim hamlet]

Man I will trade this happily for 2pc fix which is on ptr

Easiest trade of my life

[cunning basin]

Same

[oak tangle]

yeah they knew the bug existed, didn't care about it until we abused it in a major rotation change

[dawn breach]

ofc it is, just remove any damage modifiers from stealth .. yeay that would be fun

[slim hamlet]

So we blame Whispyr for making an optimal rotation then?

[steel spire]

Classic sandbagging behavior

[cunning basin]

That would mean not only nightstalker but also imp garrote and shrouded suffocation as well as deleting ambush technically

[oak tangle]

#assassination message

[dawn breach]

yupp, that's correct 😄

[cunning basin]

Since even if you delete the other things ambush would be a DPS increase lol

[dawn breach]

Throw ambush in the bin as well then 😄 Now Vanish is no longer a dps CD 😄

[oak tangle]

you could just tie the effect to shadow dance and / or entering combat for the first

[dawn breach]

But vanish removes you from combat, so it would still count as "entering combat" 😄

[oak tangle]

only on trash in m+ if you are on a boss fight you stay in combat

it's why nelf meld + stealth doesn't work

[cunning basin]

Ehhhhh I think making vanish not be a DPS CD is a little cringe lmao

[oak tangle]

and i'd argue trash packs in m+ would be an appropriate use for vanish

[cunning basin]

Stealth should be relevant as a rogue imo, class fantasy and all that

[steel spire]

Yolo spend points to vanish

[rain goblet]

Left field question, but does the DH debuff affect poison damage from our* lethal poisons?

[fleet pagoda]

yeah, it's nature damage

[cunning basin]

Yes

[rain goblet]

Sweet, I wasn't 100% sure but thought it might. Thanks for the answer!

[alpine nebula]

I ran this sim on 10 targets and it appears to be mis-counting scent of blood stacks. Posting here for a second opinion:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2f54BwBsgS9NqzLVp4kCYC

I expected 2 stacks per rupture = 10 targets total for a max of 20% agility

[keen spruce]

why 2 stacks per rupture?

[balmy condor]

but it's 4% per rupture

?

[alpine nebula]

it says 1 target is 2%, amybe the tooltip is incorrect

[balmy condor]

yeah at rank 1 it's 2%

[alpine nebula]

oh that's why ok

[alpine nebula]

at 2:30 I assume raidbots is just misreporting the stacks at 0 instead of 8

then IC rupture = 20 stacks

[balmy condor]

the ruptures drop

[alpine nebula]

WELPS I just spent 2 hours trying to get the APL to rupture 10 targets as an experiment haha

turns out I only needed 5

[fleet pagoda]

oof

[balmy condor]

the APL already ruptures for scent stacks

?

[alpine nebula]

yeah but I wanted 10 😄

10 target rupture isn't too bad, it's behind envenom spatter by 8% or so

[balmy condor]

EIGHT PERCENT

[alpine nebula]

however impossible to play so not worth

[balmy condor]

bruh

[crisp pine]

The mythical number

[alpine nebula]

😄

[crisp pine]

i heard that's what's the difference between dance and no dance too

[balmy condor]

I'm out here simming until 6am hunting down 0.2-0.3% gains

and this mfer shows up and says

"isn't too bad, 8% behind"

[fleet pagoda]

[alpine nebula]

I'm forging a new path on this uncharted 10 target territory

minor setbacks

[slow echo]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[alpine nebula]

I really wanted to find out if scent of blood + sanguine blades would pump hard enough

[grand trail]

sims ready to be seen withnout bugs?

[alpine nebula]

but if sanguine caps at 5 targets then it's a non-starter

[balmy condor]

💀

you realize that if scent capped at 10 instead

the agi bonus

applies to everything right

so if caustic is stronger before

it would be stronger after

cause you just buffed the entire kit

[crisp pine]

Make agi just affect the damage of bleeds tbh

[alpine nebula]

yeah, it's a question of adding more ruptures vs more envenom-spatters and where the tipping point is

[fleet pagoda]

@balmy condor hey idk if you want feedback on it, but that last video talking about the purpose and the margin of error on line-ups for vanish/last two ticks and the abbreviated openers was super helpful. maybe i missed those tips elsewhere; but it had some good soup outside of the garrote spam opener

[balmy condor]

yeh

need to re-record

will be in there again

[oak tangle]

as someone who neither invested in learning the new rotation or made a youtube video about it. I find it rather humorous to see the people who don't yet know it's been reverted complimenting a video that no longer exists

[dense socket]

while i have the spatter i should only stick on that target and not tab to other mobs?
and should i garrote a same target in my opener or is it better to tab while +3 4 targets?

would be lovly to know

[clever sapphire]

i mean he complimented the part besides the new rotation so its fine, and thats actually usefull feedback

[near magnet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dense socket]

was wondering and didnt find answers anywhere

[oak tangle]

oh i'm not saying anything against that, don't take it that way

[clever sapphire]

depends on target count, if there are 5 mobs you can just garrote 1 mob twice, if there are 6 mobs target swaping so 2 garrotes are enough is better

[balmy condor]

ty for answering

y'all got this

I need to lock in

[clever sapphire]

ye you take a break

[balmy condor]

[clever sapphire]

i would assume you already spread your ic dots before having spatter up, at that point stick to the spatter target and only swap when reapplying rupture/garrote to other mobs

[clever sapphire]

understood your take wrongly, mb. I also never got to watch the video, he took it down before i could watch it

sadge

[oak tangle]

it's just humerous to me the amount of effort that's been wasted because of the revelation it was a bug

[dense socket]

so in dance kingsbane window not tabing after that swap and re applly dots and stick to new spatter after right ?

[clever sapphire]

well if you do dance/kingsbane you would preferably already have your dots up so you can focus on spending envenoms on kingsbane and make it do big dmg

cause you want spatter up on the kingsbane target

[alpine nebula]

I figured it out, max rupture APL (10 targets): https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qqBecs72Ag2MXrShZPLocY

Compare with standard: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2f54BwBsgS9NqzLVp4kCYC

[dense socket]

yea makes sense

[clever sapphire]

so if you also used kb, dont target swap. If you only used dance you can freely swap to your liking

[oak tangle]

your kingsbane would be a wet noodle if you swapped targets after pressing it

[dense socket]

thanks ❤️

[split jewel]

what was garrote spamming?

[balmy condor]

for the record the moment you drop your tier you lose 3% of your damage cause the tier is propping up rupture VERY hard

[hardy dagger]

Is true?

[oak tangle]

not worth knowing tbh

[hardy dagger]

Fix coming tomorrow frfr?

[split jewel]

was it ever part of the rotations page on wowhead?

[alpine nebula]

Good point, I must go deeper 😄

[oak tangle]

for about 45 mins or so

[clever sapphire]

it was pressing garrote during DM vanish/shadowdance so you get 5 combo points

it was very specific to this 2 minute window

you shouldnt get 5 points, thats a bug

[oak tangle]

then the rogue dev came in was like "hol up" and squashed it

[clever sapphire]

but we getting a 2pc tset fix in return

so im fine with that

[oak tangle]

so i mean technically it still exists, but is not intended gameplay, and will be patched sometime™

[flint tusk]

Wut. Seems i’ve missed some interesting stuff.

[split jewel]

We still garrote after Vanish, it just doesn't grant 5 points, right?

[oak tangle]

will be how it'll work yes, so the vanish section will change

[flint tusk]

Was looking forward to watching that whispyr video

[keen spruce]

just pretend nothing happened

if you weren't here for the last like 2 hours or so

[oak tangle]

it technically has an impact on the vanish component though

[marble hemlock]

Not really

[flint tusk]

But if nothing happened we wouldn’t have happened and the world wouldn’t exist

[keen spruce]

barely

[oak tangle]

van > env > gar > rup no longer right though

[blazing jewel]

Bros getting philosophical

[marble hemlock]

That was already slightly predicated on your cp gen prior to the vanish, so it's not like that was a guarantee

[kind forge]

@marble hemlock will you stream s3 ?

[oak tangle]

true, but just letting them know that something will change even if it's minimal

but i don't think we can envenom in the vanish anymore

[marble hemlock]

No, but that's pretty much whatever

[agile geode]

yo, what did pins reference to?

what's the change?

[marble hemlock]

Nothing's changing

[oak tangle]

the change is no change

[low quartz]

I get a bit lost on what to do in aoe after I've got my dots rolling, I've used my dance and kingsbane - should I just garotte/envenom spam? Do I continue fan of knives? It gets a bit murky here

During my dance/kb window I mean

[clever sapphire]

spread dots, find your kb target, put up spatter, dance kb window

after the window keep up a few dots so you ahve enough energy to fok/envenom

[agile geode]

no garrote spamming ?

[clever sapphire]

in aoe you preferably only press mut/ambush to keep spatter up

and rely on fok point generation

[grand trail]

you can garrtoe spam till they fix it

[agile geode]

okok

[low quartz]

well thats only with DM right

[grand trail]

you will notice when it stop filling your cps

[oak tangle]

this is actually a good question because it may actually still be a garrote spam

[low quartz]

right now Im just kinda mutilating to get spatter up, then garotting to keep dots high, and envenoming for kb

[marble hemlock]

Very doubtful

There's no one-glove-fits-all approach to m+

[low quartz]

like, is fok really a better filler during dance than garotte?

[marble hemlock]

the main strength of assa in m+ is its ability to have target selection on where you want to do the majority of your damage

[oak tangle]

IC + subterfuge even with the bug fix will be 6 cp

[marble hemlock]

so depending on the pull, and the state of the mob health at any given time, you can make different decisions

you usually want to prioritize refreshing bleeds on aoe on the targets that still have the highest total health left

[keen spruce]

wait. that was 9 hours ago... that whipsyr corrected me. I thought that was like 2 hours ago

wat

is time

i thought this was still recent news

[marble hemlock]

or cast envenom on them, instead of spreading another rupture on a low-hp mob thats gonna die soon anyway

large part of assa's skill ceiling in m+ is making these choices. for every GCD.

[oak tangle]

even still with sudden demise existing?

[marble hemlock]

sudden demise is just pad

on every mob but the last one to die

[balmy condor]

??????

[low quartz]

as soon as you cast kb, youre basically committing to envenom chains anyway, right? higher prio than rupture spreads (which you shoulda done before you went into your kb window I guess)

[oak tangle]

i can't maths, i just know it's a number more than 3

[marble hemlock]

it doesnt matter if the low hp shit-mob dies slightly faster, if you still have a big-ass chonker left at 30% HP

[vapid skiff]

its not

[balmy condor]

it's actually exactly 3

[oak tangle]

in aoe?

[vapid skiff]

it applies more rupture effects but doesnt mutliply the casts

yes

[keen spruce]

it 3

[balmy condor]

IC doesn't magically give you more cp

[clever sapphire]

if you press kb without spreading ruptures and garrotes before than you kinda trolling. Cause rupture gives you more mainstat so your kb is gonna do more dmg by default

[royal lantern]

98% of sudden demise power budget is the 10% more bleed dmg

the "execute" part is just some neat side effect, but it doesnt really do anything big outside of world content

[clever sapphire]

it doesnt do anything big inside of world content either, cause it doesnt proc half the time

[oak tangle]

your comment earlier baited me

[keen spruce]

[marble hemlock]

its the age-old topic of "prio damage" vs aoe

in a pack of 6 mobs, 5 of which have low health and 1 high health, it is better to

kill the 5 mobs after 30 seconds, and the 6th one after 40,

instead of

kill the 5 mobs after 20 seconds, and the 6th one after 50

[low quartz]

yeah I suppose my question comes down to, would it be smarter to garotte spam instead of FoK when you have dance up

[marble hemlock]

because the goal is to make the entire pull die faster, not have the highest overall DPS

[spark scaffold]

regarding pins, you still open with garrote ambush rupture right?

[marble hemlock]

assa is very good at that

[vapid skiff]

🅱️ings🅱️ane go 🅱️rr

[marble hemlock]

doubtful. im not really enjoying streaming all that much, unless chat is very active

and m+ is awful for interacting with viewers

cause you cant really do that for 30 minutes at a time

unless you constnatly look at chat mid-key, at which point youre kinda trolling the key

but who knows, maybe the assa m+ fever finally grabs me again, and then its likely ill stream at least some of it

[balmy condor]

[marble hemlock]

go to sleep, demon

[cobalt hemlock]

sorry if i a dumbass but did the opener change now or no

[shell osprey]

man i know sin is shaping up well this patch but am i the only one who doesnt like the damage profile of sin?

[cobalt hemlock]

down to try it not tho if we are just unholy deathknight at home

[shell osprey]

just so much damage during CD and alright damage after

[royal lantern]

nah, i agree

going from "your cd is kinda allright" too "2min unholy" is a kinda big jump and rubs me wrong

[shell osprey]

yeah same :/

i was hopin personally for just amped energy gen

[oak tangle]

on the one hand i dislike the idea that interrupting or messing up cd's is gonna be more punishing, on the other hand i like that it requires you to execute the rotation well

[royal lantern]

its even more weird cus they try to get away from those gameplay loops where cd's are the only thing that does dmg

[oak tangle]

but it is nice to have a cd on the 1 min mark

[warm basin]

so what are people playing in raids ? the hybird spec? feels like the raid build with no caustic spatter or indiscriminate carnage is farily weak for Aoe

[royal lantern]

because you....didnt need to execute it properly before......??

[royal lantern]

raid st build

if you need cleave you take spatter

thats it

[oak tangle]

not that you didn't but it was less impactful

[keen spruce]

it changed about 9 hours ago, now it's gonna unchange back in a bit here cuz it's enabled by a bug

[brazen sonnet]

no problem. give us compensation and do whatever you have to do

[warm basin]

THX

[keen spruce]

i have received the call

[oak tangle]

no compensation coming, it's 0.3%

[clever sapphire]

compensate me for the 0.3% reee

assa nerfed

gg

unplayable spec

[keen spruce]

okay... i'm going to bed... don't change anything for the next say

7 hours

don't do anything

[oak tangle]

inb4 ducks added to rotation somehow

[keen spruce]

[spiral pasture]

it will be a different spec by the time you wake up

[keen spruce]

i'm not scrollin through 700 messages when i wake up every morning

so i just assume

that nothing will happen

while i'm asleep

[balmy condor]

new default profile probably pushed in that time

[keen spruce]

but

fine

[cobalt hemlock]

sleep important for the big grind start of season

[keen spruce]

i'm going to a movie with my mom tomorrow

[cobalt hemlock]

so you dont have to sleep when the season comes out

[keen spruce]

and i have to move a coffee table

both will overlap with our first optional raid

[balmy condor]

so get ready for "assa sims were sandbagging why did t31 profile go up 3k"

or whatever

[royal lantern]

SLEEP WHISP

SLEEP

GO

no excuses

[balmy condor]

bro you don't get it

I literally can't

until this all gets fixed

[keen spruce]

okay godspeed, may the servers come up on time

[strange python]

Where can we read more about this

That just means - if you're dancing - don't garrote spam?

[slate crown]

Wait what happened

My cat demanded food and I open my phone

[oak tangle]

i haven't refreshed wowhead so here

[cobalt hemlock]

what do you all think about the race? think there is gonna be bunch of rogues? outlaw looked the strongest but ass dmg profile could be good for em

[slate crown]

What’s the confirmed buggo?

[balmy condor]

it's 3am and I'm scrubbing a 0.3% gain from the internet less than a day after I said it existed because realz showed up and said bug getting fixed lole

shrouded double proccing during deathmark

[keen spruce]

TLDR:

we were gonna switch to gar-env spamming in dance because it gave 5cp during DM.

realz said "hey that's kinda degenerate, we've known about this bug for a while but yall weren't really being cringe about. now that u are we should fix it"

so now it's gonna get fixed in the near future

[slate crown]

[balmy condor]

ffs

okay

I'm gonna say this once

[cobalt hemlock]

whispyr sacrificing his health for the community truly a hero

[oak tangle]

just delete the pin i think tbh

lol

[clever sapphire]

its gonna be a race with atleast 1 rogue in each guild, thats for sure

[strange python]

[balmy condor]

if you're in stealth:
gar gives 1 cp
shrouded gives +2

if you're in dm, it gives another +2

that "another +2"

is a bug

[unique sorrel]

God, if this isn’t me with every minor issue on open source projects if it’s my commit

[strange python]

Well let's get degenerate with the leeching poison one

[balmy condor]

yeh

[cobalt hemlock]

i mean the raid buff isnt amazing but they would have to be preety dogshit for no rogues to have

[keen spruce]

you mean the one that was fixed a few hours ago

[brazen sonnet]

someone told about 5cp garrote to realz ...after 1 year playing with deathmark....

[strange python]

omg it was? bruh i forget to reapply that everywhere

that's gonna save my life

[balmy condor]

lmao dude get fucking real

we all knew it existed, he even said he knew it existed

it just didn't matter

now it did

so it's getting fixed

[clever sapphire]

its RWF, they take every raidbuff, unless the spec itself is tuned to do less dmg than a tank

[unique sorrel]

I wasn’t even aware the mechanic existed

[drifting cloud]

it was me, I told realz

[unique sorrel]

At least I don’t have to learn anything new

[slim hamlet]

Pretty good tldr

[naive crane]

so we are basically back to the old opener right?

[unique sorrel]

Ezpz

[cobalt hemlock]

thats what im saying if we are gonna see multiple rogues

[clever sapphire]

wdym old opener, there was no new opener, thats a lie that you NA guys all made up during my sleep to fuck with my head

[slate crown]

I was under the impression it was entirely intended and known and just an interesting quirk of an interaction

[keen spruce]

okay i actually bedge. GL tomorrow everyone.

I'm sorry you are burning the midnight oil Whispyr. We all appreciate you

[clever sapphire]

i dunno about multiple rogues, we would have to be really overtuned or we would have to be good at some specific mechanic whilst doing good dmg

[royal lantern]

wrong impression

[shrewd night]

Bed is forbidden.

[oak tangle]

i think that was possibly the intention until it became a guranteed 5 cp generator for an entire cd window

[slim hamlet]

"midnight"

[brazen sonnet]

real = fix this bug after 1- 2weeks after bug found. not one year later . not 1 day before 3rd raid with the bug. fixing bugs often gives us 1 or 2 new bugs. lets find them all on our raid time !

[keen spruce]

i must

[slim hamlet]

Was it 1-2 weeks?

[balmy condor]

go be mad somewhere else dude

[shrewd night]

[oak tangle]

on a scale of wanting a benign bug fixed, vs nightstalker working and dance working and a rework i know which one i take every time

time is not infinite despite what chromie and co will tell you

[royal lantern]

i take Something too eat instead

im hungry

[clever sapphire]

hi hungry, im cursed

[sharp viper]

it's gonna be rough to convince the raid priests to give PI if there is a DK in the raid

[clever sapphire]

(dad joke of the day, ✅ )

[royal lantern]

hi cursed, im hungry

[indigo comet]

anyone has recommended talents with the current tier set for AOE

[pastel onyx]

i think it might

be

[midnight mist]

what if realz realize the the bug is more complex than they tought, so they dont have time to fix it, so it end up staying

[pastel onyx]

on wowhead

might

ah wait

current tier

[clever sapphire]

nah it wont, tell them you have the PI need every 2 mins, they have it every 5-6

[pastel onyx]

me

[indigo comet]

its for the new tier

[indigo comet]

yep

[pastel onyx]

ye

mb

i mean just run the same

[balmy condor]

we don't change talents because of tier

[pastel onyx]

who cares

[oak tangle]

just outparse them natty

[sharp viper]

i know that it's logical, i'm more concerned about having to argue with a priest player

[clever sapphire]

i just wont, and if we wipe on a boss im gonna look at priest PI casts, who it went on, and tell them if they gave me pi it would have been a kill

[indigo mulch]

So where do we land now with the non garrote spam? like 244kish?

[royal lantern]

can we ban the Word pi from this channel

[indigo comet]

i saw some different builds on raider io some of them where interesting

[oak tangle]

my tip, forgo all deigns on progression, and situate yourself in a guild where you are top dps. then demand all externals

[clever sapphire]

dont you like a good white pi? tastes really good

[shrewd night]

Yes. Why the fuck would assa get pi over feral anyways

[indigo mulch]

I wish we could just remove PI from the game, i would be so much more happier with that talent gone.

[tropic tundra]

“When do we need π”

[subtle tundra]

i liked the CP bug with dm :((((((( it felt fun

[oak tangle]

what bug?

[subtle tundra]

NO

[last onyx]

[indigo mulch]

Clearly cause feral only has tiny claws and assassinations have big daggers to stab with.

[shrewd night]

Bro have you seen my claws

https://tenor.com/view/nails-long-typing-gif-10716423

[slate crown]

Don’t fight it. Our memories are being wiped.

[surreal nova]

my eyes

[royal lantern]

the average #assassination user should not get it over a feral, i agree

[sharp viper]

ewwww

[indigo mulch]

I'm strangly aroused.

[oak tangle]

i don't think my fingernails have ever extended past the tips of my fingers

[strange python]

[clever sapphire]

you guys got fingernails?

[strange python]

fingernal when

[subtle kiln]

you guys have fingers?

[indigo mulch]

Wait, you guys have hands?

[pastel onyx]

you guys?

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/the-goonies-hey-you-guys-hey-hello-happy-gif-3555841

[subtle kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-you-guys-goonies-gif-7109252

[indigo mulch]

lmao

[strange python]

jinx

[shrewd night]

Scatch Glizzyhands

[clever sapphire]

can we include girls also, not only guys, i dont like the way this chat is going, its so sexist

[sharp viper]

no, foot pedal gamer here

[subtle kiln]

they play for me. one for each spec.

[indigo mulch]

isen't it kind of unisex if you say "you guys" while talking to bunch of people? no?

[surreal nova]

thought so too

[strange python]

yeah it's like non-sex i think

[clever sapphire]

oh it surely is, but try telling that to a feminist

[strange python]

it's just like "everyone"

oh hah

[subtle kiln]

ok dudes

[shrewd night]

[sharp viper]

dudes

[clever sapphire]

arguing with a feminist is the most fun you could have, its like trying to reason with a warlock player

[sage grove]

Raidbots wants me to do nothing for 13 seconds straight in boss fights. is this right?

[winter raft]

what the tuna

[shrewd night]

[indigo mulch]

[clever sapphire]

sounds like raidbots is pooling energy

[strange python]

He must be hitting that 80% window to pool?

13 seconds feels like a while though - that feels like hybrid build ST gameplay to me

[pastel onyx]

he is just chilling

[indigo mulch]

for 13s is a bit to long :S

[clever sapphire]

raidbots just told you to take a pissbreak mid fight

accept it

and take the break

[indigo mulch]

What talents is that?

[brazen sonnet]

Sim was running for a bottle of beer

[sage grove]

thats right after kingsbane use

[strange python]

Who hasn't had to pee so bad during a boss fight that they haven't been tempted, at some point to pee mid-boss fight?

[indigo mulch]

Can you link the whole sim?

[oak tangle]

that's the allocated time for you to yell at the priest in your group for not giving pi during you kb window

[sage grove]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eNTG5Rfoeqfem8SJFoqRmd

[clever sapphire]

i usually take a pee break whilst my guild is talking about tactics or what to change on the fight

[strange python]

ngl, I will /follow on trash if i gotta pee

I think most people do though

[clever sapphire]

nah i just straight up vote for my loot and than go for a pee break

[surreal nova]

rearranging heal cds is my break sign

[strange python]

While the RL is explaining new changes or strats, i'm usually in dm's not listening

Most 3-7 minute discussions can be summarized into a couple bullet points...normally someone will do that for me

[indigo mulch]

I'm not sure why it would pool for 13s though, it feels a bit excessive but what do i know.

[oak tangle]

as a RL myself, there is zero point explaining, those who know don't need it, and those who do need it, dont liste

better to tell them to look up a guide

[strange python]

If we have 13 sec windows of pooling, someone should make a minigame weakaura so we can like play snake or something during it

[balmy condor]

yeah

seems reasonable

[strange python]

@keen spruce How did you learn of the Leeching Poison fix? Do we know if Recuperator is (or is still) bugged?

[balmy condor]

it broke the chain

so it pooled back up

[keen spruce]

idk man it got posted a bunch some time between like 2-9 hours ago

my sense of time is damaged

[indigo mulch]

yeah i went to a dummy and double checked it make sense. it takes about 13s to get back up there if you empty your load complelty.

[strange python]

ahh just like in here - there was no "official" post right

[oak tangle]

as is your sense of sleep

[keen spruce]

but it's fixed along with the lethal dose bugs

[drifting cloud]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/eu/wow-hotfixes-13-november-475827

[strange python]

ahh cool

[keen spruce]

no there was a blue post

[sweet pawn]

what are the average numbers people are hitting for Kingsbane unbuffed on the training dummies? I'm averaging 1.1mil with Deathmark with a peak of 1.4mil on a good attempt
is 1.1mil fine for 444ilvl or am I lacking behind?

using Notters WA btw

[keen spruce]

my GM reminded me i have to do my droptimizer for readycheck

[midnight mist]

Sin can take more than 10s to pool to max

[balmy condor]

yeh