assassination

[hexed willow]

Yup that’s me

But you can’t see the cow

https://tenor.com/view/john-cena-you-cant-see-me-gif-9625705

[bronze pike]

i mean the ox cd they have

dave

[bright cipher]

but wouldn't it be funny if turns out i am slightly correct in my guessing of the fake-legendary axe?

[sharp falcon]

tony i didnt want to say it but... i have had an itch in the back of my mind, keep-me-up-at-night type of thought

[bronze pike]

but imagine

[balmy condor]

I would cry

[hexed willow]

Axe needs more self damage

[bronze pike]

a tauren monk sunrise kicking your face

[hexed willow]

We already have healer complaining about signet

[bronze pike]

thats hoof to face

[bronze pike]

i would kiss you

ret meta

ye

[balmy condor]

if it's itchy in the back of your mind, just take your skin off and scratch your skull, like a nice deep just run your finger over the groove

that'll make you feel better

[runic hinge]

Yes and?

[balmy condor]

it helps me

[minor gate]

You know what fuck it I’m gonna play sin and enjoy it

[royal lantern]

whisp is off the meds again

[bright cipher]

Ok, let's divide it in the follow critteria
1 - its ilvl 496.
2 - It inflicts self damage
3 - Its some form of main-stat steroid associated with a decent cooldown
4 - It only have 1 secondary stat.
5 - Its stronger to unholy than to the other 2handed dps

[hexed willow]

You had me until point 5

[royal lantern]

yeha, sounds accurate

[balmy condor]

my arm has blue and red strings and they're all tangled I need to take them out and straighten them out

[hexed willow]

Ret and arms need their time in the sun

[balmy condor]

it's a mess

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/skin-worms-inkspot-sqvqnnq-schizo-gif-24609711

[slim hamlet]

Imagine thinking uhdk will not gain more

[bright cipher]

if 3 out of those 5 turns out correct i will be laughting until the end of the tier

[slim hamlet]

Smh

[hexed willow]

Technically frost dk scales with stats better than unholy does

[royal lantern]

the s word

[hexed willow]

Unholy specifically scales better with just haste

[balmy condor]

the bugs under my skin are having a party without me I'm feeling fomo

[slim hamlet]

But what if it is "pi is now 2x better on you"

Got you on that one

[hexed willow]

Then we’re never getting PI on pull

[bronze pike]

i want axxe to be

big aoe explosion based on resrouce spent

40 rage for warrio

[slim hamlet]

Are we anyways?

[bronze pike]

3 hopo for ret

[gaunt moat]

ok nvm it's too much work.

[hexed willow]

Probably not

[bronze pike]

2 runes for dk

[hexed willow]

But thats good for sin

[slim hamlet]

If only one pi first is better on uhdk

[gaunt moat]

or i just copy Lissona's work.

[balmy condor]

do not wish this evil into the world for me

[bronze pike]

good timeline

[slim hamlet]

Keep coping buddy

[hexed willow]

Sin needs to be like sub and just hidden good

[balmy condor]

if sin is the meta dps in keys this channel will explode and I'll actually be off the meds

[royal lantern]

sure grandpa, now its time for bed again

[hexed willow]

@balmy condor where can I find builds and embellishments

[bronze pike]

can i be mean to fotmer rerollers?

[hexed willow]

(Pls don’t mute)

[junior aurora]

sin will be #1 in m+ dps when windwalker becomes a real spec

[sharp falcon]

this is more likely, but the itch in the back of my mind makes me wonder if current eval is off, like what if it was true

[gusty mirage]

patch + toxic thorn, bsl in m+

[slim hamlet]

Would be time to do renown 11 reward

[hexed willow]

Damn oxi

[gusty mirage]

builds are in either IV/WH guides, pick your poison

[hexed willow]

I was fucking around and you’re helping

Why are you such a good human being

[bright cipher]

silly you, get ready for PI politics

[runic hinge]

Caustic is kinda gigantic

[dark token]

It's beginning

[royal lantern]

the fotm people comming

endless stream of WHAT STATS I HAVE 6% VERS CAN I PLAY ASSA OR JUST DELETE MY ENTIRE GEAR????

endless WHAT BUILD??? questions

endless "discussions" about talent choices that dont matter

sim jerking

[gusty mirage]

WHY WON'T YOU LET ME LOVE YOU?

[spice surge]

Would still take atleast 2 months for the community to accept it

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-pascal-happy-laughing-crying-i-cant-even-gif-24163733

[bronze pike]

whispyr has been typing

for awhile

[hexed willow]

You’re always welcome to but it’s a power imbalance 😭

[gusty mirage]

I'm just a simple internet janitor

[minor gate]

Mr Realz, will sin every dominate the hit mmo world of Warcraft

[balmy condor]

It is at this point that I must inform the greater masses that Ravenholdts rules foster and inclusive and welcoming environment for all players regardless of any personal traits. We are here for all rogues, new and old, and look forward to a brighter future for the whole community

[slim hamlet]

Think the dmg is actually insane, but people like JPC has said it's still the fundamental of bleed spreading that will make it hard to be fully BIS, hoping he is wrong

[royal lantern]

we would have 6months of constant "assa bad for m+ anyway cus re-stealths" anyway

[bronze pike]

:(

[gusty mirage]

the only difference between us is I can mute aurhora

[dark token]

Sin actually is quite good when target counts last but I don't know if it's good enough to be #1

[sharp falcon]

foster and inclusive 🙂

[hexed willow]

Who has the gun pointed to your head as you typed that

[keen spruce]

idk not my best work

[bronze pike]

forever guy would let me do it

[slim hamlet]

U are always so mean to me

[bronze pike]

:(

[keen spruce]

not sure what i was goin for

[bronze pike]

/jk

for legal reasons

this is a joke

[gusty mirage]

he had to sign an agreement when he went on max's stream

[slim hamlet]

I mean if even Gingi says this...

[hexed willow]

Do you remember the final moments of ptr-assassination

It’s back

[balmy condor]

I'm jittery, almost an hour without someone asking if blizzard is going to move acro

[sharp falcon]

LOL

not moving

confirmed

[royal lantern]

based

[bronze pike]

unsubbing

[blazing jewel]

big blizzrad out to kill our attack range

[hexed willow]

Why would they? It’s honestly perfect where it is

[gusty mirage]

hi im new here, can we get acro baseline pls?

[dark token]

Not moving is fine

[junior aurora]

can we get that choice node though realz

ill take 2 less yds for 5% more simdps

[hexed willow]

Acro being a difficult talent choice is gold design

[dark token]

I decided to drop 3% damage for it

[royal lantern]

better idea realz: move it away from the tree, i wanna see shit burn

[dark token]

It feels much better

[bronze pike]

same

[fleet pagoda]

just move the talents we want to acro instead

[bronze pike]

like man

[sharp falcon]

being honest, i regret putting it on class tree in the first place

[dark token]

But unironically think they need to buff acro for sin I'm actually preferring not to run it

[balmy condor]

acro choice node with old 3 min exsanguinate

[hexed willow]

Where else would it go?

[keen spruce]

[slim hamlet]

Can we move AS and recup soon?

[sharp falcon]

outlaw

[versed mica]

Real, put it back on outlaw tree

[bronze pike]

1-3% dont matter cause people dont reach those margins ayways

[gusty mirage]

pre 10.0.5 or post 10.0.5?

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

whichever the community hates more

[hexed willow]

Aight I take my statement back, feel free to move it ❤️

[gusty mirage]

I would like to go back to 9.0 then

[hexed willow]

Wait it’s gonna be a choice node with upper handed upper hand

And no one will choose Acro 😦

[balmy condor]

I was happier in 9.0

[dark token]

Acro doesn't extend the range of many of our abilities compared to other specs (caustic, poison bomb, IC) so its a bit weird compared to outlaw where it extends everything or sub where it extends the range of everything but IC

[gusty mirage]

simpler times, when you were just a green name

[restive falcon]

how do i make it so details doesnt reset when i vanish on a dummy, i remember someone said earlier today but i was on phone

[gusty mirage]

now look at you

you're one of the head janitors here

[dark token]

So I actually prefer not running it in dungeons for sin,but I do for other 2 specs, even taking the dmg loss

[hexed willow]

Set it to dynamic overall

[slim hamlet]

Before the incident

[royal lantern]

its 4am, time for ramen

[balmy condor]

a shadow of the man I once was

[sharp falcon]

ah, good point, its past 7pm - time for dinner

bye

[slim hamlet]

Oh man world in 5 hours

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

that's not true, I'm the same man I was, but now I drink 4x a week

[slim hamlet]

No bedge again

[bright cipher]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1164436488654688278/1173097735143030905/image.png?ex=6562b767&is=65504267&hm=3eba325f88610c495967b354a602e25c84ad28fac3857999bbfd8c740b7c4ef7& Me right now

[sharp falcon]

last night was wild

[keen spruce]

aff is just sass from far away

[gusty mirage]

I like to think I'm better off than I was in 9.0. But I know that to not be true

[bronze pike]

based

[slim hamlet]

I heard haven't actually watched more than 1 game yet

[gusty mirage]

the good old days with green whispyr and red oxi and quake

[slim pebble]

9.0 had me rerolling to monk

[balmy condor]

what's your opinion on this accurate statistic

[gusty mirage]

and red cev

[slim pebble]

What a dark time

[dark token]

I mean that t1 3-0 was sick

I'm hyped for faker again

[gusty mirage]

9.0, this channel had like 8 people, and the 4 that remained became internet janitors here

[bright cipher]

Is Acro ,your increased ranged skill?

[balmy condor]

yes

[royal lantern]

i was 1 of them without becoming a janitor

its the little things

[hexed willow]

Aight real talk. I’ve read all the guides and watched all of whispyr’s videos. But I’ve never played sin. Can I still sit with you guys and gals?

[gusty mirage]

I hung out in outlaw

[junior aurora]

not with this piss colored name

[bronze pike]

[dark token]

Why not play it

Is fun

[bronze pike]

been offered once in another classcord

turned it down cause fuck that

[gusty mirage]

yes

[hexed willow]

I want to. I just have been learn outlaw since I’m new to rogues!

Was gonna learn b and then a and then flex between them

[balmy condor]

rest in piece chandler on god I can't believe nicholas cage would do it

[slim pebble]

It's the boomer rogue spec

[dark token]

Rush b

[gusty mirage]

this is the best channel on this server, if not for the fact that it's OT without the cringe kpop gifs, it's for the pet pictures in https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1146207476983812117

[royal lantern]

mate, i played outlaw only in 9.0 and still used this channel

[hexed willow]

Blessed

Aight I’ll raid and m+ on law this week and then learn how to play sin

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/chaewonim-kim-chaewon-meme-izone-gif-23553503

[gusty mirage]

okay

I'm leaving the server again

see ya nerds

[hexed willow]

And then get a color change

[balmy condor]

I'll see you in the icyveins writer chat

[hexed willow]

How do I get the nice ripe orange color?

[restive falcon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[gusty mirage]

dang I know d4 kinda flopped but you won't even talk to me in that writer chat?

[slim hamlet]

Pay a wast sum of money

[royal lantern]

high amount of wrong desicions

[keen spruce]

I just realized I had to scroll back to august to get that picture of George for the magna carta picture. @spice spire why not more george

[balmy condor]

orange?

we have a questionnaire for that, first one is "on a scale of 1-10 how much do you hate yourself"

[gusty mirage]

you're so close yet so far away

[balmy condor]

[hexed willow]

10, I do log analysis for specs I no longer play

[slim hamlet]

Thought 0 was the only right answer

[balmy condor]

damn you're halfway

this guy MIGHT be ravenholdt mod staff material

[hexed willow]

I just feel bad when no one answers them

[royal lantern]

not playing wow is also a big part of RH mod staff

[gusty mirage]

wdym

[hexed willow]

Oh. Rip. Nevermind

[balmy condor]

what

[gusty mirage]

zine's the only one who doesn't play

[balmy condor]

that implies zine is a big part of RH mod staff

[gusty mirage]

HE'S VERY IMPACTFUL

[royal lantern]

kojy playing again?

[slim hamlet]

Who​ is Zine

[balmy condor]

koji's not a mod

[gusty mirage]

zine would've perma yeeted you months ago

[royal lantern]

everyone that is not the 3cool colors is a mod

[blazing jewel]

we will get meownar off of feral druid

[balmy condor]

he's me but 4 years ago

[blazing jewel]

and he will becoming king janitor

[thorny pond]

My favorite part was when you gave out outlaw perspective

[slim hamlet]

What have I ever done

[dark token]

Well, CFs have mini mod powers but that's not their primary job

[gusty mirage]

that's the best part, you didn't need to do anything

Zine was just mean

[slim hamlet]

Oh

[balmy condor]

I mean max knew that I'm not an outlaw player I kept it generic

I didn't read any of chat during that though

[slim hamlet]

Was bracing to get bullied

[balmy condor]

I assume I was getting hung

[junior aurora]

zine just watches league now

[royal lantern]

me and zine was some good shit

[gilded oasis]

Good idea

[thorny pond]

Getting? Heard you are

[royal lantern]

i still remmeber those yell matches

[balmy condor]

wait a damn minute

[valid dawn]

[gusty mirage]

[slim hamlet]

Chat was spamming DDDD+ and you said mid A sooooo yea

[gusty mirage]

I got into it with zine and told him to go fuck himself and left the server

now zine and I are besties

[balmy condor]

yeah true gingi played it in ptr keys one time

DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD+++++++++++

[bronze pike]

chat screaming ret was s tier

and screaming obsceneties at b

[balmy condor]

idk how max keeps his calm reading chat

[bronze pike]

:3

[balmy condor]

I would be throwing shit across my room

[bright cipher]

Max tierlists are the best

[royal lantern]

why do you guys read stream chats

[slim hamlet]

Factual, just like you need restealtha for sin

[bronze pike]

kira said brm and blood bad m+ tanks :)

i said no

[gusty mirage]

I'm also a professional twitch janitor

it's 2nd nature

[bronze pike]

i get dogpiled

great chat honestly fun

[royal lantern]

damm

now i feel really sorry

[fossil shell]

Can someone recommend me a good WA pack?

[gusty mirage]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[meager granite]

how annoying is that !

[hexed willow]

I hope he said rogue is just a tier so we hide under the radar

[gusty mirage]

whispyr's on that list is gud

[balmy condor]

holy shit oxi got fast fingers

[hexed willow]

THE ABSOLUTE WORST

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-eternal-gif-18822003

[slim hamlet]

I read wowhead comments, it's free content

[balmy condor]

oh I need to check in on tomrus's word of the day

[slim hamlet]

Thought he was on wellness

[balmy condor]

surely he's commented

[spark scaffold]

any news on the 2pc bug?

saw realz was around

[balmy condor]

it exists and they're aware of it and fixing it

[bright cipher]

i like when he calls THD for warlock, but kala is cool too

[spark scaffold]

thanks, that's all i wanted to hear

[gusty mirage]

I was once accused of being AI on a wowhead comment

[slim hamlet]

With the comments I see

What did u have to write for that

[balmy condor]

but if you're not an AI why are you straight out of my imagination?

[gusty mirage]

damn

[gusty mirage]

are you closer to san fran?

[balmy condor]

closer than who

[gusty mirage]

see ya in 5 hours

[balmy condor]

oh yeah I gotchu

[bright cipher]

I have a question, who do you guys think will be the more popular spec at the start of the raid for rogues?

[royal lantern]

i only know that 1guy that comments instantly under EVERY SINGLE dungeon buff or nerf with "nerf more, stop making content for world first raiders only"

it was mostly under dawn of the infinites changes, the dungeon that is mostly used for catchup

[balmy condor]

outlaw probably

[slim hamlet]

Isn't outlaw more popular even when clearly worse

[balmy condor]

ye

outlaw has a massive following and also has high sim number

[dark token]

Also start of raid has a couple aoe bosses

[bright cipher]

ok, yeah, i think it will be Outlaw too, but i think it will swap to Assa once the stacking of externals on assa is clear

[dark token]

That suit outlaw

[slim hamlet]

Also they are on every tier lists thumbnails

So gg

[spice iron]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[dark token]

Gnarlroot, ignira, and larodar you all get some cleave going

[hexed willow]

Hey @balmy condor I was told to ask you if you’d like to stealth more, since outlaw currently stealth’s the most

[balmy condor]

[slim hamlet]

I think it will take long for people to not see assa as bad for no reason, but at some point probably

[bright cipher]

it will take some time yeah

[dark token]

I mean just cause u stack externals on assa doesnt make it better or worse

[slim hamlet]

At least he swapped color to red he is getting there

[hexed willow]

Tbf I did watch your video, but if you could, wouldn’t you want to?

[dark token]

That's a non factor for spec

If outlaw did more dam, it's probably more raid DMG to play outlaw and pi 2nd best target

Instead of pi assa

[bright cipher]

it does make your yellow bar looks bigger in warcraftlogs and that always come with a following of people

[slim hamlet]

It definitely does?

[hexed willow]

There is a whole video with him going through ptr and current m+ and looking at garrote stealthed damage, I did research!

[timber meadow]

i mean if you play decently it wont take long for your guild to realize assa is doin dumb shit when they give you pi for a fight

[gaunt moat]

@runic hinge If it's too small for you, you can change the size of the group scaling under "display".
I was afraid of it being too intrusive.

[bright cipher]

it happened to boomkin, it happened to demo, it happened to unholy...it will happen with you guys too

[slim hamlet]

Like uhdk 10.1 Sims were rough but because everything just fits into place with external stuff they became op

[dark token]

They also got buffed right before raid dropped

[slim hamlet]

Bless up

[dark token]

Like massively

[timber meadow]

who knows maybe a lot of bosses this raid will just die at 230

[primal moss]

im sorry if I asked this earlier, but I didnt see a good answer. Is hekelii updated correctly for Sin?

[hexed willow]

I thought you’d be proud

Also whispyr is still typing, I’m scared

[slim hamlet]

I am

[keen spruce]

hekili bad

[slim hamlet]

Me too

[primal moss]

learning the class still

[slim hamlet]

Hekili can never be good for rogue specially sin

[primal moss]

why is that?

[hexed willow]

@versed mica What did I do

[keen spruce]

rotation helpers will not teach you the class

[gusty mirage]

the rotation helpers just take a sample sequence from the sims and print it for you on your screen, realistically with all the conditions tied to assassination's new rotation it's going to just run into errors because there's a lot of things that it can't really account for on the fly

[slim hamlet]

There are too many conditionals and procs + it doesn't support pooling

[versed mica]

Unleashed Pandora's box

[gusty mirage]

so it'll never really work 100%, if that makes sense

[slim hamlet]

He is still writing guys

[primal moss]

if it works 80% id be happy with that

[gaunt moat]

Does IC just have a very small radius now, or does it never affect out of combat mobs?

[hexed willow]

I should probably follow it up with a “can we ask blizzard to move Acro” right?

[dark token]

If a rotation helper parsed in all the input debuffs/buffs/etc and used apl to decide what to do just like sim does it could be good

[slim hamlet]

Never affects out of combat

[runic hinge]

It isn’t “too small” I was just letting shmeeps know since he was looking at the pic on page that it’s smaller than it looks on there. It’s quite fine and I like it

[dark token]

But I don't think anyone has made a good one

[slim hamlet]

It is 10 yards from you @gaunt moat

[gusty mirage]

yeah I mean it'll be okay to help you get started, but relying on it will be detrimental long term (if that makes sense)

[gaunt moat]

So what i get from this, is i need to upload a better picture

[fleet pagoda]

if you can make the time for it, practicing the rotation on dummies using a guide for reference will help a lot

[hexed willow]

For learning sin, should I start with the maintenance -> kingsbane -> deathmark and then opener and then combine it all together?

[gusty mirage]

but because it can lead to further confusion later on, addons like Hekili are generally recommended against in class discords

[primal moss]

how do you help teach someone who is new to DPS all over to learn Sin?

[quaint flare]

am i trolling to macro ambush and mutilate together or does stance delay not impact sin much?

[balmy condor]

I think it's healthy to have access to things that give more stealth. Dance/Nighstalker kinda pulls that apart and makes it about nightstalker more than the specs stealth talents like ic, imp gar, ma, but dance itself isn't a problem imo. if like vanish was 2 charge 1 min similar to how like the blind talent works I feel that would probably be healthier overall as an option. In general stealth is just another area to design around for any rogue spec. If that happens to be strong like now with dance/nightstalker, or it happens to be not strong like during shadowlands is another thing, but I think it's important to have at least something attached to stealth as a design to flesh out the spec. I would be sad to see stealth/vanish disappear entirely, but idk if I would be happy to see like imp gar get buffed to 100% for example. I think the stuff assa has attached to stealth is fine on its own, the access to it with dance is very high already. Just wish it was done more in the style of additional vanish charges or lower cooldown or something in that vein rather than ham-fisting nightstalker juiced dance windows in, but having that for a couple patches is fine in my opinion

hopefully that answers your question

[royal lantern]

damm

[hexed willow]

@versed mica I hope you’re happy

[royal lantern]

im not reading that

[versed mica]

I am very pleased

[slim hamlet]

Sorry that happened or happy for you

[runic hinge]

For shmeep’s sake, probably

[balmy condor]

not a problem at all

[hexed willow]

It actually does answer my question whispyr

[gusty mirage]

The "class discord answer" is put up a guide on a 2nd screen and practice on target dummies until you start to get the hang of everything. Realistically, I'll never shit on someone for using something like Hekili or HeroRotation, they won't get you top performance but they can get you decent damage until you get the hang of things. Realistically, if you use it to build a decent understanding and then take time to practice without it moving forward you'll be a-okay

[keen spruce]

i'm probably not gonna use an IC tracker anyways

[hexed willow]

I think the cdr that outlaw gets for vanish should be for all specs imo (just for vanish)

[keen spruce]

it's not you it's me

[versed mica]

Kinda based take ngl

[hexed willow]

Reward good play with more opportunities to utilize stealth related talents

[quaint flare]

homogenisation bad

[sonic zinc]

what if

sin had cdr, but it was tied to dots

pepw

[balmy condor]

I'm not a fan of cdr mechanics in general on assassination, it takes away from the planning and stuff, cdr almost always leads to situations of "just slam on cooldown" because you would be wasting cdr otherwise, which kinda stands as an antithesis to the core of assassination as a whole. Would much prefer to see just a base reduction instead

[hexed willow]

Makes sense too

Didn’t think of it from the planning perspective

[timber meadow]

one thing i was thinkin about after watching your vid was just how it heavily discusses direct dmg from garrote and you mention the energy stuff which is too complex but didn't really touch on the sheer number of globals you would lose not having stealth... is that becuase its just not that relevant? like if you're doin a bunch of big pulls and not getting stealthed, thats a healthy amount of globals you're losing, that aren't all directly tied to garrote dmg

[sonic zinc]

sub still has the vanish charge talent right

[gusty mirage]

@primal moss Sometimes people learn better by doing, and if Hekili helps you start to get the reps and dip your toes into it. I say go for it, better that you have a fighting chance to perform relatively well than being overwhelmed and hating the class/spec and quitting ya know? 🙂 Just keep in mind that the rotation it will put on is the addon's best attempt at mimicking the simulations and take time to practice without it after you feel more comfortable with the spec

[slim hamlet]

The only reason I would like cdr or 2 charges of vanish is for dungeons where u can cheese like Halls of valor wolf. For actual rotational wise, I think a 2 min standard vanish is better

[versed mica]

[quaint flare]

2 charges would be massive

[hexed willow]

DKs get extra charge on deaths advance/grip etc. give us an extra vanish/sprint charge

[gusty mirage]

do DKs get any bitches tho?

[slim hamlet]

Infinite 240% move speed

[versed mica]

Implying u get any

[hexed willow]

UH gets all the bitches

[slim hamlet]

Do we?

[gusty mirage]

ya your dad is my bitch

tell him I say hi

xoxo

[royal lantern]

B U R S T O F S P E E D

[sonic zinc]

take sub's vanish charge and move it to class tree

[versed mica]

My dad is dead

Jk lmfao

[gusty mirage]

dw I wasn't going to apologize

I still love you though

[versed mica]

Damn

[slim hamlet]

I wouldn't be mad, wouldn't be too detrimental to out at rotations since it is always just +1 over a fight instead of a cdr mechanic

[runic hinge]

Yeah, maybe this replace acro

[hexed willow]

Dear lord

[slim hamlet]

Now we cooking holy

[sonic zinc]

replace feint charge with vanish charge

pepw

[gusty mirage]

hear me out, what if we just deleted rogue

[sonic zinc]

truuuu

[gusty mirage]

just completely

[slim hamlet]

Agreed

[hexed willow]

Delete Aug first

[sonic zinc]

im down

[slim hamlet]

Finally free

[sonic zinc]

nah keep aug

aug good

remove rogue

rogue bad

[gusty mirage]

we're all free, realz doesn't have to deal with us apes anymore, whispyr can finally sleep

wins all around tbh

[sonic zinc]

exactly

realz can focus on havoc

no more rogue to stop him

[slim hamlet]

Delete all but outlaw

[sonic zinc]

nah

remove outlaw twice

[slim hamlet]

Leave Realz in the dirt

[gusty mirage]

wow that's actually toxic

[slim hamlet]

It is

[keen spruce]

protect realz at all costs

[sonic zinc]

we use toxic boots

so

we toxic

toxic time

[slim hamlet]

Probably the worst thing you could wish on someone

[dark token]

This would be a good replacement for one of the more useless utility nodes

[gusty mirage]

yall typing too much, go farm seeds

@keen spruce out here lapping yall on renown

[dark token]

I'm done

[royal lantern]

fuck seeds lol

[bright cipher]

i am free of seed farms

[slim hamlet]

I farmed for 4 hours today

[royal lantern]

im renown 4

[dark token]

Renown 17

[royal lantern]

[runic hinge]

I'll farm your seed in my mouth

[gusty mirage]

BACK TO THE MINES

[dark token]

I get 20 on Wednesday

[sonic zinc]

i aint farmin shit

[bright cipher]

next week i get renown 18 regardless

i did the math

[timber meadow]

ima just lie and tell guild i did it while buying augments... fuck seeds

[keen spruce]

renown check I need to calculate your seeds

[royal lantern]

if i needed runes, i would buy them from the AH

[gusty mirage]

[keen spruce]

Show me the carfax

[dark token]

U want 20 for the free craft actually

[slim hamlet]

Based af

[gusty mirage]

go on my armory and check yourself nerd

[dark token]

The Aug rune isn't that big

[gusty mirage]

ah yes

[dark token]

Free craft is nice week 1

[gusty mirage]

the massive 10 ilvl to the crafted item

[keen spruce]

idk what your toons name is

[gusty mirage]

huge

[keen spruce]

isn't it like oxxi or oxii

[jade iron]

Free craft? What did I miss

[keen spruce]

or ox£

[dark token]

Nah what it lets you do @gusty mirage is save ur aspect crests for upgrading other gear

[keen spruce]

or somethin

[gusty mirage]

saving this for next time

[slim hamlet]

Renown 20 is actually kinda bog

[gilded oasis]

It's stinky I think

[slim hamlet]

Big

[timber meadow]

anyone else notice whispyr been typing for legit 5 min straight

[gusty mirage]

I thought that was you

[timber meadow]

this bout to be insane

[dark token]

You drop 10 ilvl on toxic boots cause it's embellishment who cares

And upgrade ur mythic dag

[gilded oasis]

Got confused woops

[dark token]

Or mythic trinket

[blazing jewel]

that means youre in danger

[gusty mirage]

yea I'm rumple fugly

get it right

[slim hamlet]

Yea trying to go to bed but wanna ser what he is cooking

[hexed willow]

Last time was actually pretty interesting and informative

Whispyr paragraphs are a 10/10 will always read

[slate crown]

Thing is we'll all get the 20 reward eventually. All the rushing does is advance the timeline, and then the argument goes does that advancement matter? Are you specifically in a place where that one item will push you over the edge on prog prior to when those who didn't rush get it?

[slim hamlet]

"actually"

[gilded oasis]

He fell asleep on the z key

[dark token]

Depends how fast ur clearing the raid

[hexed willow]

Then I can not have to worry about it in the future

[dark token]

The faster you are, the bigger renown 20 is

[slim hamlet]

It wont be important then. U get it to use week 1 so u can get aspects for actual upgrades

[hexed willow]

And it’s great for keys. And my other specs

Since it’s account wide

[slate crown]

Right, and I imagine a ton of people who are doing the rush it won't matter for

[dark token]

So for echo/liquid etc they are alllll grinding 20 on all chars for it

[gusty mirage]

wild how all these people unlocked "Touching Grass" at renown 11 and they clearly haven't all week

[slate crown]

This is the real reason

It makes the voices go away

[dark token]

Most people who are rushing it doesn't matter yeah

[slim hamlet]

It matters for my world rank 1k guild ok

[slate crown]

(For now)

[hexed willow]

It doesn’t matter to me but I want to outclass the other rogue in the guild who’s been maining it for a while

Every inch

[slim hamlet]

U guys are missing the point heavily

[gilded oasis]

@gusty mirage wtf is after your name

[slim hamlet]

People​ are only doing it because there is legit nothing else to do

[spark scaffold]

does the 230k assa sim assume working 2pc or bugged?

[royal lantern]

mf's have 15sec downtime on a bossfight, barely do a 4sec 3button opener on most classes but act as if grinding renown is what decides if they can enter a raid

[gusty mirage]

no dust crew

[slim hamlet]

Bug

[spark scaffold]

asking because i remember assa simming 245k at some point on PTR

[gusty mirage]

shadowdust can invigorate deez nuts

[slate crown]

bugged. the number is matching in game

[spice spire]

He still needs trimmed. Set him an appointment two weeks ago, they cancelled and closest is this coming Friday. So hopefully more puppy pictures soon

[spark scaffold]

i see i see

[hexed willow]

The people doing it to 10 on an alt to get 20 on a main aren’t doing it cause there’s nothing to do

[spice spire]

I say puppy but he’s 8

[spark scaffold]

so patch release stonks

[keen spruce]

shaggy boi

[slim hamlet]

Definitely

[royal lantern]

dogs are eternal puppies

[gusty mirage]

George is also the goodest of boys

[hexed willow]

Like they’d go as far as they can this week and then go do other shit

[spice spire]

Shaggy ain’t the word

[blazing jewel]

happy

[hexed willow]

Grinding 5 rep seeds is next level

[gusty mirage]

mental illness presents itself in many ways

[gilded oasis]

Ok boomer

[keen spruce]

does he have little grinch feet

[royal lantern]

(playing wow)

[gusty mirage]

aren't you like 73?

[dark token]

At least it was 10 for me...

[gilded oasis]

73.5 tyvm

[dark token]

[hexed willow]

It’s 5 for me 😄

60 seeds to plant on Monday

[gilded oasis]

Wowgrandma 2.0

[hexed willow]

And then I’ll have the alt at 10

[slim hamlet]

Bro was there when the vikings came

[gusty mirage]

will you also be my adopted grandma?

then I can have 2 again

[gilded oasis]

Yeah I got u

I'll make you cookies

[gusty mirage]

[slim hamlet]

Whispyr hurry I need to bedge

[balmy condor]

the bigger the pull the more you get from "big" aoe talents like caustic, crimson tempest, etc. Garrote naturally is less important in those situations. If you have big pulls like that you'd also just automatically be holding cooldowns for it from the previous pull, so you would still have vanish/dance available to spread. Vanish alone will let you spread 12 garrotes and at least another 6+ ruptures out which is more than enough energy for basically any pull in the world. Also if it's a big pull, 99/100 times you're not chaining into it, so you're going to get the restealth anyway.

I honestly didn't do a good job addressing IC/dot spread in the video cause I thought the other arguments would kinda address it on its own since nailing the impact of IC is sort of really diffuclt, big regret on that one, but like the short version of the video just summed up is 2 things:

• The damage loss from stuff like improved garrote isn't that high
• Based on logs, you aren't actually losing that many restealths from stuff like spiteful, which is the common complaint for "I can't restealth"
  it's that second one that's important here. I'm not denying that you lose damage from not being able to stealth right. You do lose damage. It's how and when you lose damage though that's kinda important. If it's a big pull important pull, you're not chaining into it a lot of the time. If the healer is OOM after a big pull, you're probably gonna take a second to let him drink, etc. And given the natural flow of the dungeon, you'll typically figure out where the common pulls to chain together will be, and you'll have tools available for that or at least plan around it.

Spreading bleeds, very important, 100% agree. There's a reason carnage is like a 12% talent in dungeonslice or something it's really fucking good. But taking that 12% number at face value and going "restealths have to be important" can't be the solution there, because not all restealths are created equal. Even looking at the lower keys in that video, some of those logs were actually from people that DM'd me before and said "but look at this log, I didn't restealth at all during this key", and they had like 18 pulls total in the dungeon, and 13 restealths. Idk. It's very difficult to pin down exactly how bad it is to just lose restealths in terms of dot spreading, but I think dooming over it given the rest of the arguments I've made in the video should give a good baseline to start analyzing from. In terms of like an "overall damage" part, you'll have keys where your restealths get super fucked and it might hurt, no doubt. But at least for the success of a key, you'll have access to iron wire and all your dot spreading when you need it through your cooldowns and it'll be fine. I use a lot of hyperbole about like "stealths don't matter" or whatever. They obviously matter more than 0. But I'd rather over-react and get people at least critical of what the real impact is, than being not loud enough about it and having people just keep blindly believing that it's the major critical factor to their success in keys ya know. Hope that helps

[dark token]

FLASHBANG

[ember mural]

[hexed willow]

Oh shit

[shy pecan]

Jfc

[hexed willow]

Time to read

[slim hamlet]

On the phone I legit had to close my eyes for a sec

[gusty mirage]

bro this guy is out here writing the Encyclopedia Britannica for responses

wtf

[ebon quest]

is there a "how to" on how to change the style filters in elvui? i've never done that and have absolutely no clue how i would do that. But i'd like to do that now

[hexed willow]

It’s actually pretty well thought out

But a lil long

[gaunt moat]

It's very simple, i'll write how to do it. I don't know if there's a guide.

[hexed willow]

Couple of grammar errors but the content was good

[timber meadow]

you actually just popped cd's on me holy fuck be back in 5

[balmy condor]

they're dispellable dw

[hexed willow]

So whispyr now we can ask you easy questions

[balmy condor]

also "well thought out, lil long, couple of grammar errors but the content was good" just described every piece of content I've ever made, written or video

[hexed willow]

What’s the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow

[balmy condor]

that's basically just the whispyr formula

[slim hamlet]

I feel like restealthing is WAYYY more a matter of it feeling bad than actually being super bad

[balmy condor]

around 20 mph

[slim hamlet]

Like not being able to stealth because of spiteful just feels so bad

[balmy condor]

yeh

perception definitely plays a big role

[hexed willow]

Shit you’re right

https://tenor.com/view/bowing-down-john-legend-the-voice-praise-hail-gif-15770303

[runic hinge]

This dude's good

[balmy condor]

not my first rodeo

[slim hamlet]

Too good

[hexed willow]

Hey whispyr have you ever considered quality control

You’d be really good there

[balmy condor]

I've done some seasonal game testing jobs

[slim hamlet]

Considering he has only looked at low quality messages for years now, it should be easy to spot

[balmy condor]

Idk, I feel much more comfortable in a more educational/design/analysis space

rather than just quality control

but I'm pretty lost in life atm so who knows what I'm consdiering

Idk what I'm considering

[hexed willow]

That’s fair

I like the step above typical QC where you’re involved in the writing and discussion about it

[gilded oasis]

Consider deeze nutz

[balmy condor]

only if deeze nutz have fudge around them

[gilded oasis]

Oh you betcha

[balmy condor]

in which case

[slim hamlet]

Alright

Enough ravenholdt for today

[hexed willow]

Whispyr is typing though

What if you miss out

[spice spire]

Gotchu big dog

[hexed willow]

On something really. Really. Juicy

[balmy condor]

anyone else have a genuine question that requires a discord-nitro worth of characters or can I keep working on the faq now

[slim hamlet]

I am quite sure I wouldn't miss anything useful at this point

[spice spire]

Yeah why are you so cute

[balmy condor]

I'll make sure to ping you if I say something useful

[hexed willow]

Are our questions increasing the length of the FAQ

[slim hamlet]

Thanks

[balmy condor]

no

[hexed willow]

and can you put in the faq how to click on pins

[balmy condor]

I can, but I won't

[hexed willow]

I feel like that would help all channels

Cheers

[dark token]

Why doesnt sim put up crimson tempest before opening up with DM on aoe, it only puts up CT halfway through kingsbane window

Is CT just that weak

[gilded oasis]

Dm doesn't hit CT I thought. Unkess tooltips is off

[gaunt moat]

@ebon quest

1. select nameplates (and style filters)
2. Create Filter
3. Select debuffs
4. input your desired debuff spellID (also check "from me")
5. Go to Actions tab
6. Change whatever you want to happen (for example, health color)

In this exmaple, i made a caustic spatter change target health to green.

[dark token]

Seems logical to me to put it up before launching into your burst window and have it tick down while you do kingsbane envenom stuff before you refresh it

[balmy condor]

yeah this is actually something I need to explore in sims at some point. Its definitely a bit of a weird one but there are some good reasons for why, I'll just list out a couple of them:

[drifting cloud]

• ur mom

[timber meadow]

yeah I 10000% had my head turned around by the vid - the data based approach for me at least was really helpful to actually break it down and take it out of the realm of "trust me" - so yeah, im a full convert after watching that and the main thing it clicked for me was just that I can get mroe creative/thoughtful about my vanish+dance... especially since in aoe build the value vanish can bring on a freshly chained pack so often is a lot more than you woulda gotten just sending it.

And yeah, thats fair - the reality is that like 99% of the time if there's gonna be a huge pull and its a key of any relevance, there will be a sec to restealth

[royal lantern]

Favorite color

[timber meadow]

i actually shread it with a buncha folks in my guild cause we had previously been talking about how important restealths were gonna be and then i saw it

[balmy condor]

• cooldowns with spatter are just better
• CT eats energy, and so you need to have a baseline of dots out beforehand
• there's just a lot to put up in general with bleeds, and then envenom before kingsbane and then caustic and also CT and and and and and and

so like in theory yes

[gusty mirage]

how can you be lost when you know you belong in my arms?

[balmy condor]

CT before cooldowns sounds good to me

making that happen in a way that's sim-friendly

maybe not the easiest thing

dslice pulls still only last like 30-40 seconds tops mind you

so gotta fit a lot of things in a small box

[dark token]

Makes sense, and our ramp is already so long in lower keys pack starts dying anyway before the whole thing

[balmy condor]

and it just happened to spit out CT at the bottom of the list right now

but I'm fully expecting that there's some skeletons in the AOE sims proverbial closet

not like oh my got the sim APL is actually trolling it's 10% better sort of skeletons

but like a percent here or there is probably hangin around in the guts

[junior aurora]

in practice having ct up earlier seems good for keys that you wont get full kingsbane value

[dark token]

Hmm I will probably put up CT only when I am approaching a pack with full cp + and snd up, can lead with rupture garrote garrote rupture and that's a lot of ramp time cut out

Since your bleeds are going out quicker

[strange python]

why opener is so ass long omg

[balmy condor]

yeh and to be fair, stealth as a whole matters more now than pretty much ever, we just also have an unprecented amount of ways to get that stealth as well so it sorta just all washes out to whatever again

[hexed willow]

It’s long but only 55apm so it’s not bad

[balmy condor]

can't really just pick one, but I'm a big fan of anything in the blue/purple area

[shut owl]

did a key with an arcane mage and we kept focusing the same target, aoe felt wacky seeing a combined total of 1.2M for like 4 seconds on some pulls between us two XD
"Ok, we gotta like... coordinate this to alternate next season or something"

[balmy condor]

we can be poor together

[dark token]

Ever done a key with 2 fire mages

[balmy condor]

seems reasonable to me

[hexed willow]

Amethyst is a great color

[shut owl]

fire mages don't exist. my friends and I all play "the worst ones" (not by virtue of anti-meta chasers... but just by luck of tuning I guess)

[balmy condor]

any of these are good in my book

[royal lantern]

green for me o/

[balmy condor]

the middle pinks are a bit much depending on my mood

[balmy condor]

greens can be good but if they're too bright it's just swamp piss

big fan of like a nice dark olive green though

[hexed willow]

Or you have avocado green

Where it literally looks like vomit

[balmy condor]

yeh like this

isn't it

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/bb-logo-yellow-animation-gif-17474276

[hexed willow]

Jade green is nice

[balmy condor]

greens and yellows in general are just kind of a difficult color to navigate

[keen spruce]

and orange

duck colors

[timber meadow]

I noticed this as well but doing keys this week on like a 20 tyran week where pulls prob last around or a lil shorter than dslice... kinda feels like you dont even have time for both - gotta just decide between the two cause by the time you your done with ic stuff, got slice up, build to ct and send it, the pack is 3/4 of the way dead and you prob only get one or two ticks of kingsbane - kinda feel like this portion of the apl is more relevant on fort weeks/longer lasting pulls where you can actually full ramp

[hexed willow]

Russet orange is workable

[dark token]

Yeah I will try sin in a 28 no leaver key this week

Let's see how that feels in comparison

[balmy condor]

aight, anything else?

[keen spruce]

28s feel more like 30+

but doable

depending on dungeon

[dark token]

Wdym by this

[keen spruce]

there's some goofy scaling

[balmy condor]

sick, don't burn the place down while I'm gone

[keen spruce]

I watched dorki's group get gunned down in the streets in a 28NL and had to bail on it

they did a 28 FH in like 15 minutes over

we did 28 FH in like 45 minutes over

[dark token]

Oh, dungeon scaling got fucked this week?

[keen spruce]

idk if it's just the embelsihment/class changes

[dark token]

It's underrot can't be that bad

[keen spruce]

or if there's weird scaling

[timber meadow]

yeah if we didn't have dance/vanish id be thinking about/questioning it more but you can almost always plan to have some way of stealth for each pull like you've said

[keen spruce]

but high keys are pretty rough

[dark token]

We have no Aug in this group though

[keen spruce]

yeah idk crawgy will be brutal

[dark token]

Hunter spriest rogue MW blood dk

[keen spruce]

but the rest should be okay

[dark token]

I will go assa

We will qualify for break the meta

Crawg is so nasty

I don't know what spec to play to do best on it

Everything I play is just low DMG on crawg

[keen spruce]

I did our no leaver on sub but idk just find a dungeon that won't hard wall you on a boss

[hexed willow]

Fucking hate that boss

[dark token]

I also hate third boss

Permanently get mechanic

Doing like 80k dps

Lmao

[hexed willow]

Trueeee

4th boss only sucks if the tank is bad

It’s a shit dungeon imo

Waycrest will be worse though

[gaunt moat]

Updated the WA to have first 3 seconds with a different color (empowered garrote things)
https://wago.io/cGXp8lt1p

[keen spruce]

[hexed willow]

!wa

[gaunt moat]

and changed picture especially for shmeeps

[dark token]

Does it work during dance

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[gaunt moat]

yes

[keen spruce]

[hexed willow]

Ugh there’s so many options

[slim pebble]

Whispyr aefnar edit is best

[hexed willow]

I may just stick with Devlin’s for sin and keep it consistent

[keen spruce]

i'm gonna replace your WA with your PFP and the bunny gets more and more red until IC is over

[dark token]

I posted my afenar edit as well but sin is pretty basic, it's just afenar with LE rupture garrote and then I customized tea to glow at 6s and vanish at 3s kingsbane

O yeah and shiv during garrote or kingsbane windows, as well as rupture counters for scent

[gaunt moat]

need to use this

[keen spruce]

it's not angy enough

[sick abyss]

blodmallet trinkets up to date for us for m+ this week?

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/animals-with-captions-bnu-bnuu-the-bnnu-bnnu-gif-25121915

[sonic zinc]

we wont ever kingsbane outside of shadow dance right

[royal lantern]

yes

[sonic zinc]

ok good

figuring out my binds lol

[royal lantern]

using keybinds

cringe

ngl

[silk bane]

Eyy welcome back dude. How u been

[gaunt moat]

Hello 🙂
You want the honest answer or the "I'm fine "

[slate crown]

no binds. Only motion capture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF4Gglm36cg

[silk bane]

Go for it man! Empty your heart!

[gaunt moat]

If i'd open my heart here i'd be calling to ban some staff members from this discord

But it's been a really hard month mentally. And it only kept getting worse.
And only the last 3 days is the first time we had days with no rockets dropping where i live.
Right now the hardest part for me personally is seeing the ignorance and hate around the world about this war.

but 10.2 could be a good distraction.

[arctic hare]

So, I just got myself a brand-spankin new Flavor pocket, what would yall recommend I put it on considering I've got both the wrists and boots as an embellishment atm.

[silk bane]

Sorry to hear that. But 10.2 looking great, and sins looking even better! Hopefully u can enjoy the game and get some distraction!

Now! It is my time to cope about sub dust!

[tropic tundra]

Ring probably, it comes with a socket

[arctic hare]

Hmm, true

[hexed willow]

Itll never be enough of a distraction but every scrap of joy is good for mental health. Find what brings you that happiness and hold it

The world sometimes sucks but there are people who try to make it better, even in the small things

*always

[arctic hare]

Doesn't the belt come with a socket too?

[gaunt moat]

Yes. I honesty didn't participate here because of these people. Because I am so angry and disspointed.
but i got over it.

[tropic tundra]

It does not, but you can add one later with the weekly token

Also wrist and helm

[arctic hare]

True, rings are still always a good option though

Can't do wrists unfortunately.

have my toxic armor patch on that.

Normally I probably would've done a dagger, but, well, Nick of time exists lol

[tropic tundra]

And crafting possible tier piece is kinda bad decision so

Yeah

[arctic hare]

Right.

so at this point, belt or ring.

[hexed willow]

The people you help do appreciate it though. So thank you

I know I’m newer and my words don’t mean much but hey, shit you do is cool

[gaunt moat]

No, I appreciate it 🙂

it's reassuring

[vagrant tapir]

So, boots are the first go eh?

[hexed willow]

Probably!

Crafted dagger for short term gains but realistically boots are 🔥🔥🔥

[cerulean nest]

got wrecked in a 26 NL tonight too

shits rough

[keen spruce]

lub u

[gusty mirage]

lol

[timid haven]

I heard the paracausal trinkets are simming high. Is that true?

[eternal nymph]

Yeah, at 450

[balmy condor]

all the paracausal trinkets had their ilvl increased this week

[eternal nymph]

Can Sim it

[timid haven]

Which 1 is seeming good for us?

[balmy condor]

when m+/raid comes out next week they won't be any good anymore

[timid haven]

i assumed that much

[balmy condor]

azzinoth seemed okay

but they're all kinda fucky

think guy has a pin in #wow-general about it

[timid haven]

ok ill take a look

ty

[balmy condor]

np

[plain moon]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[digital wind]

Hi is the trinket ashe buff is implemented in the sims yet pls ?

[primal moss]

are all sin secondaries more or less equal now?

[keen spruce]

yeah vers a little behind the others, but all fine

[steel spire]

Ilvl over stats baby

[primal moss]

im sure this is a longshot, but Whispyr, do you happen to do coaching? xD

[slate crown]

ur not gonna believe this

[hexed willow]

Watch their videos and practice imo

Just gotta believe in yourself

Because you can do this!

[slate crown]

Look at the purple man's discord status.

🙂

[hexed willow]

Wait what

Intriguing

[steel spire]

Ever bloom jail

[velvet ridge]

what is poisoned edges?

[balmy condor]

aberrus tier bonus

[velvet ridge]

hey thx man

[fleet pagoda]

hey, so SB "duplicates" bleeds but I'm assuming it doesn't act the way DM does? considering there's no additional debuff visible it's more functionally a buff to the bleeds applied while above 50% energy?

thinking in terms of something like lethal dose i guess

[uncut dragon]

whispyr did you mod afenar's wa pack? what did you change, I can't fined annotations? Thanks!

[balmy condor]

think of it like just extra damage

not like another bleed

[fleet pagoda]

perfect, ty. vocalized it better than i could muster lol

[balmy condor]

I removed some junk shit no one needs to track, added imp gar and nighstalker tracking, a couple of glow effects, changed the energy bar to reflect sanguine blades a little, added caustic in

couple other things

mostly just tweaking it to be like

actually useful

[primal moss]

any suggestions on how to get acrobatic strikes in single target dance build?

[fleet pagoda]

[gusty mirage]

you drop tea

[uncut dragon]

cool cool thanks, that's the one at Rogue [Afenar] - Whispyr Edit

[balmy condor]

ye

[uncut dragon]

I nuked all my wa's some were out of date, anyone have a good M+ pack to run?

[crude anvil]

whats a good amount of dmg my kingsbane should be on target dummy? just on opener

[cinder geode]

Should i be playing around sanguine blades ? like should i be trying to stay above 50% energy just to get the duplicate dmg

[balmy condor]

yes and no

given nothing else to do, sure

with the new 4 piece you would want to chain evenoms back to back

and in that situation, you wouldn't really care about it

but it's definitely an important thing to think about in aoe especially, and you want to multi-dot your targets until you reach an energy point where you can ideally sustain above 50%

[marble hemlock]

no one can say. it fully depends on your gear etc.

[runic hinge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[marble hemlock]

if you play the rotation/kb setup well, itll do the damage its supposed to be doing

[crude anvil]

well I have gear from 10.1, I think most people would have the same gear rn

[marble hemlock]

beyond that, just having 1k more or less mastery would vastly change the outcome to that question already 😄

[arctic hare]

Just curious, and send me to pins if I'm a dumbass, but is the new 2/4 set weaker than the current one barring ilvl restrictions?

[balmy condor]

stronger

[arctic hare]

Thought as much

[rustic minnow]

Does DM duplicate bleeds already on the target or only the ones u apply after u press it?

[arctic hare]

both...

It duplicates the bleeds you already have on the target, and if there aren't already, say, a rupture, it'll also apply that twice as well.

[drifting cedar]

Is it alright if I overlap shiv in the last ~1second to ensure I have 100% uptime, or is it better to let it drop and then apply it again?
And is it alright to receive pi after I already deathmark or does deathmark dmg snapshot with haste?

[thorn estuary]

Only snapshot is nightstalker I believe

[drifting cedar]

Great! So I can macro my pi whisper to dm lmao

[plain moon]

During burst if my ambush in SD doesnt crit it feels like I cant fit in another ambush then still fit the rupture in the SD window. Do I just 3cp Rup there or am I just bad and slow and I should be able to fit it in

[slate crown]

Are you running out of energy?

[plain moon]

no usually im going into burst windows almost full

[balmy condor]

!mute @gaunt moat 24h I'm a bit late here, obviously a very touchy subject. There is nothing wrong with you answering a question about how you are doing, and I truly hope for the best given your current situation.

That being said, the way you answered the question while having a thinly veiled call on removal of someone's position due to their beliefs is distasteful and harmful to us as a collective community of rogues. Tensions are high, I understand that. Our official position given the tensions is one of an all-inclusive space where individuals are not targeted for their beliefs, ethnicity, gender, sexuality, or any other defining personal traits. It's not okay to come out and attack someone's role because of it.

Some beliefs are inherently harmful, and we recognize this. This is not a statement saying "any belief goes because I feel it." In those instances, as they arise, they are dealt with. This is not one of those times where an inherently harmful belief has called for action - instead, it boils down to a situation where one party is calling for the removal of another party from their position due to their beliefs, which is unacceptable conduct in the community we are trying to foster.

This discord is as international as it gets, and there are bound to be issues that arise from that. We aren't immune to those conversations, but respect and open-mindedness given such difficult topics is a requirement so we can continue to allow our diverse community to be themselves without fear of attack.

[plain moon]

but its super GCD tight to get rupture in nightstalker from SD

[slate crown]

Someone else asked about this somewhat recently, but you shouldn't have a problem getting the rupture off if you are GCD capped. There are 6 GCDs available in dance, and 6 is all you need to get the garrote, rupture, envenom, and ambushes off to generate CP

I think the most common cause of this is having a delay between your Dance press and Kingsbane press

If you press Shadow Dance, wait a second, then kingsbane, and have some breathing room between your other GCDs, I can see that being enough of a gap to push out rupture

[balmy condor]

the GCD doesn't get reduced by anything so in theory if you follow the openers listed

you should be able to get them all off

[slate crown]

For me I set up my keybinds so my Dance -> Kingsbane press is a very fluid motion and happens very rapidly, I make sure to do one after the other rather than both at the same time because it is important that dance comes first. A macro combining the two may also help you

[balmy condor]

even with double ambush

cause it's:

1. dance + king
2. garrote
3. env
4. ambush
5. ambush
6. rupture

that's the last second of dance

[plain moon]

Yeah it makes sense 2x ambush means the sequence is 6GCDS

[balmy condor]

and it should just line up

[plain moon]

yeah just like that ^^

[balmy condor]

so you're probably delaying a gcd in there

[plain moon]

Prob what LE said where im not quick enough with the SD>KB

cant I just macro that together?

[haughty flicker]

Ye I think that’s been peoples issues every time is pressing sd early in the gcd

[shut owl]

there isn't really a situation in which we don't just go SD->KB right?

[haughty flicker]

I’ve been told there are in aoe but I never actually asked for examples ngl lmao

I’m just macroing it tbh

[slate crown]

In single target you are safe to macro

And, for the most part I think you are also safe to do so in aoe

[keen spruce]

most likely you're pressing dance right after you shiv and you're still gcd locked

[slate crown]

but there may be patterns that emerge later where aoe wants to use dance to spread

[keen spruce]

so you're losing most of one global

[shut owl]

you can kinda just shuffle in garrotes in lieu of ambushes in aoe depending on pull size no?

[plain moon]

Ty, ill macro it and put just plan dance on a seperate bind incase something ever comes up. but most likely ill just never hit that bind. I have plenty spare as sin anyways

[slate crown]

Macroing does run the risk however of still causing you to press the button, have it use dance but not kingsbane because you were still on GCD

So you need to be deligent to not press it too soon, or not enough

[haughty flicker]

You can also make a macro where 1st press is sd and second is kingsbane

So you still have some control over it

[slate crown]

I prefer to not macro and focus on having the keybinds be naturally organized but

[brazen zodiac]

ahh thanks!

[slate crown]

You're free to try either way

[thorn estuary]

You want it that way to apply night stalker anyway

[thorn estuary]

Ohh press I read it as first line

[slate crown]

It may be weird to some but just as an example, I set up my binds so I do this as I enter my cooldowns.

so I go 3, ctrl 3, ctrl 2 , thensnap ctrl1+ctrl5 together in quick succession

[plain moon]

Honestly now that I know the problem is likely that I could just put some brain power into making sure I dont SD too quickly after shiv but I like the macro, either way nbd

[slate crown]

then enter the normal dance order Whispyr listed

[plain moon]

You dont want to try to make sense of my binds

[slate crown]

You are correct. I've already tossed the image out of my mind

[keen spruce]

yeah i still have it macro'd to KB, i just kind of time it in my head instead of spamming

[plain moon]

Currently I have a cheat sheet in the middle of my screen telling me the order of buttons in the burst

[slate crown]

I also have Dance separated because I also play sub and I don't like having the same class button bound to different things / macros between specs

so I just like things separated, don't use many macros other than like, bomb dispenser macro or whatever

[haughty flicker]

I should’ve done this when I was practicing it damn

I really am dumb

[shut owl]

I miss my dance-gloomblade macro :<

[runic hinge]

I have dance bound to KB and I'm just sending that in aoe as well

[plain moon]

At first I had it on a notepad on 2nd monitor. But then i realized im spending most of my burst window not evening look at wow so i did it this way lol

[runic hinge]

I bet there is some use cases for not sending them together but I also dont wanna miss the snapshot getting distracted with other stuff

[slate crown]

Also if you want a longer timeline-view of kingsbane, can use this if it helps https://wago.io/8WWlvpYa9

Not a gcd-by-gcd, is just a "key moments" thing

[frank gale]

@slate crown i just dl'd your pack (thank you!) question, what do the tick marks represent in the envenom bar?

[haughty flicker]

oh im definitely gonna steal that for a bit

[slate crown]

Red = pandemic window

[haughty flicker]

i keep forgetting to use tea during kb still so that'll help me remember until i get used to it

[slate crown]

Orange is more of a guideline to say "You should be able to fit enough GCDs in if you cast Rupture before this point, to get envenom off again after"

[haughty flicker]

obv thats not one of the larger things but optimization is good

[slate crown]

The orange bar is helpful keeping maximum envenom uptime, but really it's meant to optimize the new tier set

[velvet ridge]

after rupture you immediately shiv again right

[slate crown]

Do you mean the last GCd of dance when it is rupture?

[velvet ridge]

yeah when dance ends, you go into shiv right

[slate crown]

Orange bar isn't perfect, A) it doesn't account for energy, you need to do that yourself 🙂 and B) you need to decide the right time to rupture based on your pooling priorities. It's just a guidepost

[slate crown]

When dance ends, you'll have one GCD first, then shiv

[frank gale]

got it, appreciate it 🙂

[velvet ridge]

got it, appreciate it 🙂

[slate crown]

Though of course, point is you want to keep shiv uptime during KB, whatever timepoint that has to be, for me I've been doing second gcd after dance fades

[haughty flicker]

hm

ive definitely been vanishing early for sure now that i use this

im getting caught up in the outlaw "use every cd as fast as possible" thing

[gaunt sigil]

Macroing SD > KB is just the play right?

Cause there is no reason they should ever be used separately right?

[slate crown]

#assassination message see this and following messages

It can be the play if it works for you, yes. Just have to be careful when you use it and make sure things go off properly and you don't press the macro too early

[gaunt sigil]

Oh I didnt see all of that, I see where that could be an issue

I am probably just gonna leave it separate cause its not that hard to press 1 more button

[slate crown]

In single target, yes, for sure. In Aoe even, probably as well, but it's early days and a strategy may emerge where you use dance first, then KB at the end of it, so having them as separate may just be a better habit to be in so you can do that

But it's up to you

[strange python]

Kinda surprised but sin feels way better than outlaw in keys

Outlaw grinds to a goddamn halt if you have any downtime at all

[gaunt sigil]

Assa is genuinely enjoyable in keys now

Its not a chore

[velvet ridge]

its not a chore?

[strange python]

Outlaw with downtime feels like you just might as well go afk

[velvet ridge]

its super fun, dont get me wrong, but rotation was sleeper before

its mentally enganging now

[gaunt sigil]

It used to be such a pain and like hoping that your tank doesnt chain pull so you can Stealth IC

Cause you actually have AOE outside of IC

That was my biggest complaint with old assa is that all your damage was relying on a 45 sec CD

[shut owl]

I'm omega confused by sin in keys now lol, just gonna be a learning curve I guess. It felt like any time I had a good IC lineup pull with cd's already spent on last pack I did better than trying to mangle my KB/aoe opener

[junior aurora]

if you showtooltip kingsbane should be easier to see when to press

[slate crown]

I haven't played it in keys yet but it seems like it should be a healthy combo of being able to do bleed spreads, and every minute focus a priority target to nuke with KB and still get it to spatter and not lose aoe cause spatter cranks

[shut owl]

"huh, weird, this isn't even cd's"
"Get ready for the... you sniped my KB target... oof"

my experience

[junior aurora]

sin prob not the play in uncoordinated dungeons lol

[velvet ridge]

haha this week, with weak mobs, doing 19s or so, the packs die WAY too fast

[junior aurora]

or just put a marker on ur target and tell people hands off

[rustic minnow]

Shiv before or after death mark?

[velvet ridge]

shiv after DM, but mentally for me, its shiv before KB

[slate crown]

The latter is always true as it applies to your DM and non-DM windows. So this is a good way

[velvet ridge]

yes, its good to understand why you do the rotation

[gaunt sigil]

Is there ever a time where you Mut during Stealth/SD anymore?

[junior aurora]

to put up caustic spatter maybe

[gaunt sigil]

Otherwise its always Ambush > Mutilate now right?

Mostly asking for ST

[balmy condor]

so the guide answer is "ambush > mutilate so you should always mutilate when available"

the technically correct answer is that if you are specifically in deathmark and kingsbane, you can mutilate for like a +0.15% gain overall

I personally can't be fucked justifying that to myself

but if you so desire

you can do that

[balmy condor]

caustic applies through both mutilate and ambush so that's a non-issue

[gaunt sigil]

Ok, cause previously you still pressed mutilate over ambush unless it was a proc right? But now that improved ambush, ambush is better?

[balmy condor]

no you've always pressed ambush over mutilate

well

"always"

shadowlands you didn't

"always" being this expansion

[gaunt sigil]

Oh ok, thank you

[balmy condor]

np

[gaunt sigil]

I have gotten my opener up to 400k

[grim tangle]

I'm at 401k

[shut owl]

I have no idea what mine is, my combat logs keep splitting for some reason XD

[gaunt sigil]

Im annoyed cause one of the 441(or something like that) pieces I got from the campaign was boots ;-;

[slate crown]

same

[gaunt sigil]

I dont rember the ilvl cause I already sold it

[balmy condor]

I'm not bothering with anything until tuesday tbh

[haughty flicker]

is this on a target dummy with no buffs?

am i fucking terrible?

[gaunt sigil]

fair, I was just at 437 so any bump was nice

[gaunt sigil]

Its with runes, phial, and Pot

no well fed cause I dont have that kind of money

[shut owl]

you can grind time rift/dreamsurge stuff for some 450 pieces to round stuff out

[slate crown]

wait waht

[slate crown]

aren't foods like way cheaper than pots

[gaunt sigil]

Just too lazy to buy food, waiting to the Gbank to be unlocked so I can rob more food

[slate crown]

like significantly cheaper because pots are per-pull??

[gaunt sigil]

I havent bought a single consumable on this toon

Its all from the Gbank

[haughty flicker]

ive been maxing out at 200k on my opener with 0 buffs at all

[gaunt sigil]

So if I am out of withdrawls, that sucks

[haughty flicker]

but thats around what my sim is doing too so i think its fine

obv sim isnt exactly how much you should be doing but ballpark things

[gaunt sigil]

Yeah my war is 449 but Fury seems kinda doomered so I thought I should turbo gear my rogue for prog. I wasnt aware of this so I will prolly run some on my rogue.

[slate crown]

sad for fury

why couldn't we just keep AM/rav and throw in OF

[haughty flicker]

im so tempted to change my alt off of war

[slate crown]

why'd the set have to have BT as the crd on OF warping the spec around anni