assassination

[slim hamlet]

You guys think u could beat a grizzly bear?

[wet spire]

have you seen a kangaroo

[slim hamlet]

I swear I could beat a grizzly bear

Dodge the 2 first quick swings, take it's arm and drag myself up

tame that motherfucker

[wet spire]

look at that fucking thing

[slim hamlet]

bro easy

Just break it's forearms

so small

legit useless after that

[serene fossil]

That fucking thing weighs 66kg tops for the biggest ones of the biggest species, usually more like 50kg, i can toss that mofo

[slim hamlet]

I can blow it away with my breath

frauny ahh

[wet spire]

im more worried about the claws on its feet tbh

[serene fossil]

Kangaroos aint got shit on me

[wet spire]

and lets be fair we all play wow

[jade abyss]

caustic spatter works ?

[wet spire]

no ones tossing a kangaroo

[slim hamlet]

I just use dirt

throw it in the eyes

[serene fossil]

I actually can tho

[burnt venture]

What do you mean??

[slim hamlet]

sneak behind and backstab the fucker

[burnt venture]

Yes it works

[serene fossil]

[void mesa]

How did Sin chat turn to "can I beat this wild animal"

[burnt venture]

It’s insane dmg

[placid wave]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[serene fossil]

Always has been

[slim hamlet]

can you tho

"sin chat"

[void mesa]

Huhhh

[slim hamlet]

yea right

[void mesa]

I can beat wild rocks

[slim hamlet]

I can beat it to wild rocks

we are not the same

[void mesa]

[slim hamlet]

[wet spire]

the other channels are talking about thier specs so boring

[slim hamlet]

^

[void mesa]

Imagine talking about the game

Imagine playing the game

[wet spire]

imagine

[gilded oasis]

Couldn't be us

[void mesa]

We only theorize of the game

[slim hamlet]

my sub runs out in 4 days

[void mesa]

Where we top sim with PI

[slim hamlet]

should i resub

[void mesa]

Huhh

[slim hamlet]

is it worth it

[void mesa]

Maybe next tuesday

[wet spire]

i did when they reworked rogue

[void mesa]

This week is

[wet spire]

and left Hpal to come back to rogue

[chilly marsh]

I'm only using KB with SS right? no problem macroing then right?

[wet spire]

si

well shadow dance

if thats what you mean

[void mesa]

I had a genius idea ill share

Instead of macro

Put dance on your bar
And KB same hotkey on stealth bar

Thank me later

[slim hamlet]

no reason not to macro it

[void mesa]

If you hit dance too soon during gcd

Kb might not go

[slim hamlet]

just keep another bind for dance anyways

[void mesa]

Since dance ogcd but kb is

[wet spire]

they come of cd at the same time

[slim hamlet]

I mean you're surely spamming it anyways

[wet spire]

i havent had an issue

[void mesa]

I double tap 5 for example

First tap goes dance, 2nd goes kb

[wet spire]

it makes sense for sure i just macro both to MWD lol

[slim hamlet]

yes?

It doesn't matter

right?

[void mesa]

As they say

If it works for you it works

[slim hamlet]

unless u lose a tick by losing that split second

do you?

[void mesa]

Youre just as likely losing it with the macro I feel like

[slim hamlet]

Yeah

[void mesa]

Cuz you can hit before gcd is up all the same

[slim hamlet]

That's what I'm saying

[void mesa]

🤝

[slim hamlet]

how often does KB tick any knowers

[wet spire]

tbh i have been using the macro for like the last 2 hours and havent had it miss

[void mesa]

I have no idea xd

[slim hamlet]

It isn't something you would notice without looking at warcraftlogs

[empty timber]

!ambush

[prisma monolith]

Ambush/Mutilate Macro:
This should be seen as a "lazy" option, and is not recommended. It can be hard to control and requires a third-party macro addon to expand the games base functionality. We recommend ALWAYS keybinding ambush (either with a modifier, or an entirely different key)
You can macro Ambush to Mutilate using a advanced macro addon.
Further Explanation/Details:
#assassination message

[slim hamlet]

Wait

[wet spire]

no because in my opener KB will be top dmg

[slim hamlet]

I am talking about a tick hitting without MA

[slim hamlet]

Would be with and without

[spice surge]

2 seconds

Unaffected by haste

[slim hamlet]

So

If u use SD off gcd a bit too early

you would lose a tick rigth?

Or you would lose it no matter what since u use it RIGHT before KB anyways right?

[wet spire]

idk how you would use it early

[slim hamlet]

So it doesn't matter

[empty timber]

Are we using macro for mutilate/ambush the same way subtlety has an SS/ambush bind ?

[slim hamlet]

Man I wanna check but just closed wow 😦

[void mesa]

Yeah, youre always losong the 6s tick

[slim hamlet]

I would expect yea

[void mesa]

0-2-4 gonna be in, but no way to get the 6s

[slim hamlet]

But there are weird stuff in thisgame making other shit happen

[void mesa]

Spaghetti code

[wet spire]

thats just from details and hitting a dummy

with the macro

[void mesa]

That doesnt tell much honestly

[slim hamlet]

Remember u can get a 4th imp garrote cast off if u take subterfuge because it delays the stop of imp garrote buff by 0.000001 sec

[void mesa]

Its more about seeing if buff from MA overlaps with the dmg tick

[slim hamlet]

or u could df beta

[wet spire]

i dont think it would matter dps wise though

[slim hamlet]

30% extra crit on a KB tick is pretty good

[void mesa]

I mean, yes? Its not as important as like, vanish at the end since the ticks are smaller at first

[slim hamlet]

but 99.99% sure it doesn't matter like Jaded said

[void mesa]

But KB being such a big chunk of dmg, 30% crit is big

[wet spire]

if the theory crafters are saying you should just macro it im sure they tested that

[slate crown]

Not really only kind of sometimes but not really but maybe

[slim hamlet]

In DF beta you could do it 100% of the time

idk what it is like now

[slate crown]

Best to just pretend you can't

[slim hamlet]

yep

[slate crown]

u saw nothing

[wet spire]

so when i mwd just one time

it instantly casts both abilities

there is no delay

[slim hamlet]

mwd

what is mwd

[wet spire]

mouse wheel down

[slate crown]

oh

[slim hamlet]

idk what you're talking about

[wet spire]

and my mouse wheel isnt smoothe it has notches

your scroll wheel brother lol

[slate crown]

Same, I use my mousewheel for bunches of abilities

[slim hamlet]

yes

but what are u talking about

both abilities

what both abilities

[wet spire]

SD and KB

[slim hamlet]

what difference is there to just a normal macro

[wet spire]

are both in a macro on my mouse wheel and they cast at the same time

[gilded oasis]

But how do you zoom out and in brother

[slim hamlet]

yes

[slate crown]

Ctrl+page up/down

[wet spire]

• and -

[slate crown]

I'm also insane

[gilded oasis]

Too hard

[slim hamlet]

SD is off gcd and KB is on gcd, so if u try and do that in actual combat it wont cast exact same time

[wet spire]

its a normal macro i just keybind it to mwd

[wispy quail]

What are you guys playing as in world content?

[wet spire]

sin

[slim hamlet]

unless you click perfect timing when off gcd and dont spam and use spell queue

[wet spire]

idk this works fine never misses a tick

#showtooltip
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast kingsbane

[slim hamlet]

brother

[wispy quail]

Any different in spec or rotation? Or just letting things bleed out?

[slim hamlet]

I am telling u dance is off gcd and kb is on gcd

[noble vault]

is improved garrote bugged coming out of stealth?

[wet spire]

just the m+ build

[wispy quail]

👍🏽 thx!

[slim hamlet]

if u cast it midway through a gcd it will cast dance instantly and kb when u have gcd for it

[slate crown]

In what way?

[gilded oasis]

M+ AP one you don't really need dtb but either works really.

[noble vault]

my first garrote coming out of stealth into combat is not improved but the 2nd cast is improved

[wispy quail]

Word. Thx!

[wet spire]

oh yeah i mean just dont be button mashing when you see them coming of cd

[noble vault]

and the first cast has no cd.

[gilded oasis]

Your WA might not be tracking correctly

[slate crown]

If the cast had no CD, it was improved.

[gilded oasis]

I had to change mine yesterday because same thing

[keen spruce]

i have awoken

[slate crown]

Welcome friend

[gilded oasis]

Hi duck

[keen spruce]

[thorn fjord]

Swoll on brethren

[slim hamlet]

meow

[slow chasm]

meow

[noble vault]

but I'm looking at the value. of the debuff. it says 9k/sec for the first one and liek 12-13k/sec on the 2nd one

[keen spruce]

[slim hamlet]

don't look at blizzard tooltips

fake 99% of the time

[gilded oasis]

Blizz tooltips

[slate crown]

I mean

[slow chasm]

don't trust the spaghetti

[manic quartz]

are the paracausal trinkets worth it if you have 441 trinkets? didnt beacon get nerf?

[slim hamlet]

yes

the green one

[manic quartz]

azzinoth?

[slim hamlet]

probably

[slate crown]

See guy's post #wow-general message

[slim hamlet]

gives haste

[flint tusk]

it felt so weird replacing beacon with this xD
https://i.imgur.com/EL4NWMp.png

[slow chasm]

fr

[flint tusk]

was a 1.3% dps increase for me and no cast time in the opener that's a massive win right there

[slow chasm]

anything better than call to suffering in AoE rn?

[gilded oasis]

Can always ask again when aTC is online or submit it. Never know if it's a bug until we know. Could just be wired tooltips

[slim hamlet]

sims work

[gilded oasis]

Or log and check

[slate crown]

Yeah The tooltip element concerns me

Because the # on it has been accurate in the past

[slim hamlet]

hasn't*

[slate crown]

I mean

Those aren't mutually exclusive

😛

[gilded oasis]

I'd say perhaps log and compare? Then maybe go from there?

[slim hamlet]

i guess

I would but it's so much work opening wow

[slate crown]

Yeah log to be safe

[slim hamlet]

when I can just sit and do nothing

[gaunt finch]

Does this spec funnel in key build?

[slim hamlet]

more like prio

It prio and spreads

[slow chasm]

big prio

[gaunt finch]

Is there a sim of this?

[fallen forge]

just say funnel to get invites

[slim hamlet]

prio is also a buzzword

[haughty flicker]

wtf sin stole funnel from sub

[gilded oasis]

Prio splash

[noble vault]

it's bugged, the difference is pretty big.
I just cast garrote and let ti run dry.
the first one is I cast 2 garrote back to back at the start, the 2nd one is a single garrote coming out of stealth.

[slim hamlet]

just say we do both because we technically do

[gaunt finch]

Ok but i dont care cuz i am not signing up to keys as sin

I just want the numbers

[slate crown]

I have to go run and do errands but I am interested to look into this later, esp the different spell ids

[slim hamlet]

oh no

[slate crown]

@slate crown Pinging myself to remember

[slim hamlet]

not more id problems

[slate crown]

Listen I have a bunch of identity problems

don't judge me

[gilded oasis]

Have they always had different spell IDs? That's new? Cause wouldn't that make tracking in WA easier than it is now

@slate crown member

[noble vault]

the spell ID is not of garrote, that's just where my mouse was hovering. but the first garrote is def not improved in terms of damage.

[gilded oasis]

Oh ok

Bamboozled

[slate crown]

yeah

Either way, still curious about the damage diff

[slim hamlet]

improved garrote has been trackable like that for as long as i know

[slate crown]

No

[gilded oasis]

Nah

[slate crown]

They don't have differen't ids

[gilded oasis]

That would be easy

[slate crown]

they're both 703

[noble vault]

it's 703 for both. I just check

[gilded oasis]

Cause rn you have to do a ton of checking to see if you are stealth, dance, etc

[slate crown]

indeed, many dontations to of

[gilded oasis]

Dum phone

[slate crown]

I had to type 703 a bunch, I'm going to awlays remember that and rupture as 1943, for my snap auras

[noble vault]

that's the buff u get from being in stealth

[slim hamlet]

Pretty sure it changed in df

or something

[slate crown]

Yup, and it's 392401 when you leave stealth

[gray hazel]

how is it that every debuff goes ontop of the enemy nameplate, but kingsbane does not? lmao

[manic quartz]

seems Doomhammer is 1.9% over beacon, Azzinoth 1.3%

[gray hazel]

on default

[slim hamlet]

yea so how is that not 2 different id's?

[noble vault]

one is a debuff on the target one is a buffe on urself.

[slate crown]

Debuff / buff id <> dot id

[slim hamlet]

What was I checking, 1st and 2nd garrote being different?

[slate crown]

Anyways gotta run

[slim hamlet]

I mean the stuff I sent was from debuff tracker on plater

idk

[noble vault]

the damage of the first garrote out of steath into combat

it's not improved damage

[slim venture]

can I combine kingsbane and shadow dance into 1 macro?

[dark token]

y

[thorn fjord]

Yeee and its super convenient lol

[slim venture]

xx homies

[noble vault]

what else can I macro together? I macro the tea charge into the kings bane too

and blood fury

[keen spruce]

pot + deathmark

[thorn fjord]

Was thinking of doing this

But meh

[gilded oasis]

Aren't there times in m+ where you want to send SD but not kb?

Maybe not

[keen spruce]

yeah could be

i wouldn't use it in m_

[thorn fjord]

Yeah but im assuming he was talking ST raid

[keen spruce]

m+

[raven egret]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[strange python]

is the signet trinket something you can actually run or does it do too much damage to you

[rugged grail]

can i play dance ST without 4P

or should i go no dance ftm ?

[keen spruce]

i'm just playing dance

so i can practice

i don't rly care if it's worse or not

[slim hamlet]

I am getting same average

[keen spruce]

but i'm pretty sure it's not worse

[rugged grail]

cause in the opener once u dance its kinda hard to place everything in window

[noble vault]

which target dummy are u using?

[keen spruce]

should just be dance-kb-gar-env-ambush to 4+ cp-rupture

and the rupture should be your last global in dance

[sweet dawn]

You just shiv before the dance kb and you're chillin

[keen spruce]

ye

[rugged grail]

oh yeah

sure

[slim hamlet]

Normal training dummy in valdrakken

[keen spruce]

don't think that new tier is gonna mke that any harder/easier

[rugged grail]

shiv into dance kb garot env , build a rupt

[slim hamlet]

You made sure u didn't get sophic or something in your tests?

[keen spruce]

but yeah it is a little tight @rugged grail. you can't like wait around

between globals

just gotta get the muscle memory down

[rugged grail]

yep im training currently

[noble vault]

let m try again with nothing but a dagger.

[strange python]

Is there a channel where assassination-ptr is archived - or is it wiped from existence?

[next ledge]

Will it be possible to play with the same asasination craft to do dgs with outlaw?

[rugged grail]

do u want to have shiv buff all the time btw guys ?

[royal lantern]

the self dmg is a giant meme lmao

[strange python]

You want to shiv - twice - during Dance/KB window only

[rugged grail]

ok so u wait next dance kb to shiv again

[noble vault]

no thing equied except from WQ dagger with no enchants
first one with garrote back to back coming out of stealth
2nd one with just garrote.

[visual prairie]

is that a hard rule?

[strange python]

yeah i'm pretty sure that's what they said...like 99%

[rugged grail]

i mean we shiv before dance kb and while

[visual prairie]

i was looking at a quiksim, and it shiv in the middle of nowhere every now and then

[slim hamlet]

Look at average hits with no crits not overall of the ability

[harsh anchor]

Probably to not cap shiv if you will have both up for KB

[strange python]

Yeah, if you spec kingsbane - you want to cast it just during KB...if you mess it up - you prioritize the last 8 seconds of KB

[visual prairie]

makes sense

[strange python]

in it doesnt do much or?

[strange python]

Probably just habit honestly

[slim hamlet]

how do you have such a big range in normal hits

[strange python]

oh wait you mean the actual sim, actions used?

[visual prairie]

nah, this was the raidbot

[slim hamlet]

with no gear on

700 to 3k

should look like this

I have no gear only dagger

min and max should be same

[strange python]

So there are some special cases - where it would use it not during kingsbane, but they're rare

like < 8 sec left in fight and depending on talents, etc

[indigo sinew]

does anyone have the cast sequence macro for poison application

[slim hamlet]

@noble vault first with 1 out of stealth 2nd with 2 out of stealth

[wet spire]

https://wago.io/yUMsTUPTx

[slim hamlet]

send your talent build

[indigo sinew]

oh this works aswell. thanks dude

[wet spire]

np

[low quartz]

am I trolling? Wanna try venom rush with the utilitarian build - I feel so energy starved without thistle tea

[balmy condor]

what you drop for it

[low quartz]

lightweight shiv

[slim hamlet]

Try this and I try yours

[balmy condor]

probably fine

[distant fox]

someone got a tldr for why we dont play vicious venom but sanguine blades on ST?

or what we would change to play it

[balmy condor]

cause one is more damage than the other

[strange python]

Math - is just the answer.

If one mathed higher, it wins

[wet spire]

because with tea we are almost always above 50% energy

[balmy condor]

that's not how that works

[rugged grail]

can i maccro dance + KB make sense no ?

[wet spire]

^ this person knows more

[balmy condor]

sure yeh

[distant fox]

btw havent you said somethnig with blindeside amd ambush was buggerd, did they fix it?

[balmy condor]

yes

that got fixed a while ago

[distant fox]

danke 😄

[slim hamlet]

@noble vault I still got no difference with your talents

idk

[noble vault]

I still get that 700 normal tick

[balmy condor]

what difference are we looking for

[slim hamlet]

He thought bug where 1st in stealth garrote didnt give imp garrote

But I can't find a difference

[distant fox]

is the story already locked behind rep again (main story df launch )- therefor i skip the new zonme quests as much as possible or can i enjoy it without hating my life?

[balmy condor]

yeh that doesn't make much sense

[slim hamlet]

Yea you got a range from 700 all the way to 3k

which doesnt make any sense with no gear

Nothing should make a normal tick change that much

[balmy condor]

you don't get the imp gar buff coming out of stealth

you already have it in stealth

[noble vault]

lol

[balmy condor]

so there's like

not even any wayyo go around that

[slim hamlet]

Idk tested in his build too no difference

[balmy condor]

he has 3% haste

[slim hamlet]

but he did have a difference

no idea why

[balmy condor]

whats the confusion

the 700 is a partial tick

[slim hamlet]

💀

But he still got different

ones

[balmy condor]

wdym

from stealth/non stealth?

[noble vault]

ok let m try dagger with no haste

[slim hamlet]

when doing it once from stealth

and twice

[balmy condor]

[jolly bronze]

what poison to use? there's not a single mention of this in the guide -.-

[balmy condor]

send a log

[keen spruce]

deadly amp

[distant fox]

didnt realize that the leech effect also gets the 20% buff from talents (got 5% from gear)

[keen spruce]

the ones that we select on on our talents

[slim hamlet]

This is almost as brainrot testing as when I hit eviscerate 2k times on ptr to find 2pc proc chance for sub

[slim hamlet]

cant get logs to work for dummies

[balmy condor]

skill issue

[wet spire]

rip

[slim hamlet]

very likely

my logs has been so weird

I just uploaded a log trying to get it to work and it showed 4 dungeons I did over a month ago

[wet spire]

could just go do a lfr boss

=/

[slim hamlet]

it always shows old shit and not new shit

[balmy condor]

sounds liek you're uploading a file

like this

[slim hamlet]

nah

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/km1XVxr4ytYjdvK2

Then this comes

kekw

oct 10th

[rugged grail]

how can i sim which weapon runes ?

[balmy condor]

there's a setting for it

[slim hamlet]

It says "created on oct 10th" but I just made it

if anyone knows fix that google doesn't it would be nice

[noble vault]

maybe it's the crits that throwing me off

[balmy condor]

this is why we log

[keen spruce]

probably more than one log file

[slim hamlet]

yea but it always does it

[keen spruce]

i always end up with like a dozen of them

[slim hamlet]

Shows doggo old fights but not the one I am actively loggin

until i turn it off and go again the next day

[noble vault]

how do I practice on dummy to get the full damage break down?
when I vanish it fucks things up

[slim hamlet]

dynamic overall damage

[balmy condor]

this setting

[dark token]

does acro extend the range of IC or caustic spatter

[slim hamlet]

can just click on this

noob

[balmy condor]

no

[slim hamlet]

YO

IT LOGGED MY DUMMY

I DID IT

Wait it logged everyone close but not myself

bruh

[wet agate]

LOL

[sonic zinc]

u were too roguey

log couldnt find u

[green apex]

Aight so I managed to get some hot key action in. The aoe is so fire now. Running the hybrid spec.

Feels real bad going to a boss without kingsbane. Really baaaaad. Gotta hold that sucker better. Managed to be below the tank on first halls boss but finished 100k overall in 440 gear. Lots of room for improvement on my part but it's such a nice change.

[slim hamlet]

I give up

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/big-oof-size-small-medium-switch-gif-17355313

below the tank

gg rerolling outlaw

[wet agate]

Have you updated simc?

[green apex]

I'd send you the log but I'd be worried about your mental health after following this for the last minute

[slim hamlet]

My logs used to work

Me and logs used to be friends

I changed nuffin but it changed

😦

[haughty flicker]

who did you piss off

[slim hamlet]

huh

[haughty flicker]

you pissed off someone for this to start happening

did you kick puppies or something

[slim hamlet]

idk

a lot of people

probably

no puppies

[haughty flicker]

blacklisted by wcl

unlucky

[noble vault]

what do ya'll think is gonna do better? sin rogue with no PI or sub rogue with equally no PI?

[slim hamlet]

sub rogue

well

[gusty mirage]

how confident are you with your CD timing?

[slim hamlet]

They will be super close prolly

[gusty mirage]

sub only beats assassination if you're playing w/ shadowdust

[noble vault]

I can parse 90 on sin, I can only parse 80 on sub

[gusty mirage]

and shadowdust needs you to be comfy with CD timings

well not needs but it helps a lot

[manic quartz]

shadow dust is a big fat no from me

[slim hamlet]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/eu/raid-item-tuning-before-november-14-476002

[gusty mirage]

speaking of needs, I need to update the iv guide

[slim hamlet]

hold

[gusty mirage]

[slim hamlet]

Ashes buff

holy

[gusty mirage]

they posted about it like 3-4 days ago

[slim hamlet]

that was just a bugfix

no?

[gusty mirage]

no

[slim hamlet]

this is a flat 30%

huh

[haughty flicker]

@balmy condor where sims

[slate crown]

[slim hamlet]

@balmy condor Where sims

[oak eagle]

@balmy condor where sims

[slim hamlet]

(he started you would be pinged anyways please dont hurt me)

[flint tusk]

WHISPYR!!!

SIMS!!!

[gusty mirage]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/ashes-of-the-embersoul-future-trinket-tuning-planned-via-hotfix-335974 nacho fault

[flint tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/so-pissed-im-work-mad-gif-23416426

[gusty mirage]

blame wowhead

[slim hamlet]

oh

but 5% augury buff too

wasnt it close to bis

and signet 10% buff

[oak eagle]

istg if i need 2 raid trinkets again this season

and i go half the tier

without getting one

im gonna break something

[slim hamlet]

u not getting rid of branch

[rare jackal]

augury was ass no?

[slim hamlet]

dont worry

[gusty mirage]

yeah dw branch isn't going anywhere unless it gets gutted

lol

[slim hamlet]

its 5% ahead

[feral mason]

outlaw has the gold stick

[slim hamlet]

[gusty mirage]

tragic

[haughty flicker]

if branch didnt get nerfed here i dont think it will be nerfed ngl

[lament aurora]

double on use....despair

[haughty flicker]

i think its safe

[feral mason]

think its only sub that needs 2 raid rn

[oak eagle]

i was doing norm and heroic zskarn half the tier and didnt get it

full capping vault too

[balmy condor]

why would assa play double on use

[gusty mirage]

I'll just pull the one of the 18 I have from BFA that are sitting in my bank

[feral mason]

sounds like you shouldve done it the whole tier

[balmy condor]

y'all see one patch note and instantly lobotomize yourselves

insane

[slim hamlet]

isn't it always burst specs that end with that

[haughty flicker]

gib sims

[oak eagle]

i got it eventually but it took a while is all im sayin

[gusty mirage]

30% MORE MAIN STAT AND CAN'T ACCIDENTALLY CLOAK OFF THE HASTE. EVERYONE PANIC

[feral mason]

fair

[feral mason]

arcane mage tier

its over

[minor gate]

is there a way to stop poisons appearing on your bars when you spec into them

[slim hamlet]

Can't wait for fated season with puzzlebox + s1 guzzler

2x channel on top of our long opener

[gusty mirage]

put the poison selector on a bar you're not using and hide it

[slim hamlet]

gonna be sick

[feral mason]

i love guzzling

[muted ridge]

dayum man, didnt know Assa only doing 230K sims, mad.

[grim tangle]

damn I heard we're using double on-use now

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/xdd-xdding-cat-cute-cursed-gif-27104766

[noble vault]

do ya'll every pay ur bills and is like i wish I can pay this with wow gold?

[slim hamlet]

no

[noble vault]

no? me neither.

[gusty mirage]

every day

[haughty flicker]

im poor af in wow so no

[wet spire]

i buy my wow gold from blizzard so

[haughty flicker]

i spent all the money i made at the start of the expac

now im broke af

[slim hamlet]

I got more DKK than ingame wow gold

unironically

it's rough

[oak eagle]

how is that even possible

[slim hamlet]

Same

[gusty mirage]

you have more dicks than ingame wow gold?

how many dicks do you have

[noble vault]

DKK?

[slim hamlet]

Made 2mil with crafting

insta gone

[slim hamlet]

danske kroner brormand

[haughty flicker]

because i didnt go hardcore at the start, only made a couple mil off of scamming people with engi items

[gusty mirage]

oh, I have to ban you now

[dark token]

why is sin IC so much lower range than sub replicating shadows

[gusty mirage]

we've hit our dane limit

[oak eagle]

LMAOOOOOOO thats crazy

[dark token]

feels so awk in dungeons

same with caustic spatter its fkin tiny

[slim hamlet]

why

[noble vault]

isn't denmark pretty high in cost of living?

[gusty mirage]

@earnest remnant is worth your entire population in one person

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[keen spruce]

@slim hamlet have you ever eaten a puffin

and are they good

[haughty flicker]

the pokemon thing?

[slim hamlet]

yea it is

[tall cloak]

for someone who didnt play 10.1 which of these time rift trinkets are worth getting and upgrading until they can be replaced later?

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/тупик-gif-18485780

[slim hamlet]

true

[keen spruce]

these little dudes

I heard they're tasty

[slim hamlet]

but it's the normal cost of living if u actually live here u know, only matters for outsiders

[keen spruce]

and the danes eat them

[slim hamlet]

green one

[keen spruce]

well the faroe islands eat them

[slim hamlet]

?????????????

[haughty flicker]

wow the faroe islanders sound like assholes

[slow chasm]

i got 2 green trinkets now

[elder torrent]

Any huge trinket changes with these nerfs coming thru?

[tall cloak]

thank you

[haughty flicker]

eating poor birbs

[slim hamlet]

Since when is Faroe island = Danish

[slow chasm]

for more poison

[minor gate]

i gotta keep my ass in valdraken or im finished

[keen spruce]

they use your money

so they're danish

[haughty flicker]

?

[slim hamlet]

We dont speak same language, live on same ground, or even do a lot of trading

[slim hamlet]

yes

Greenland is also part of danish kingdom

[haughty flicker]

reclaim your kingdom brother

[keen spruce]

OKAY BUT HAVE YOU TRIED PUFFIN THO

[slim hamlet]

doesn't mean danish = greenland

NO

[haughty flicker]

dont let those puffin eaters get away with this

[slim hamlet]

IDEK WHAT IT IS

[keen spruce]

OK

https://tenor.com/view/тупик-gif-18485780

THIS IS A PUFFIN

[slim hamlet]

I would have it as a pet

birb penguin

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

Trinket Tuning coming up

Update Nov 16 since the trinkets are in sims now (I think at least idk I'm a sleepy boy if they aren't then ignore this and ping me). Re-ran all the numbers.

• Single target:

• Branch + Brand still bis, Branch + anything is kinda close, pips > sandglass > coiled serpent > porcelain crab > bad

• Ashes + Stuff isn't awfully behind but it's still nearly 2% worse than

• If you're using ashes you should cast at 11 seconds left on KB, or macro it into KB for -0.3%

• Dungeons, can change slightly depending on talents, but generally with caustic/regular shock build talents:

• still branch + pip

• branch + crab/sandglass good too, augury is okay if you can hit things with it, coiled serpent okay, signet brand is okay if you don't drop combat a ton, mirror is okay even as a second on-use to alternate with branch or whatever. Anything works really as long as it's branch + not garbage

• ashes sucks here because haste loss in aoe bad, haste good, mastery good, branch better ooga booga

[gusty mirage]

oh fancy link

[haughty flicker]

huge

[slim hamlet]

It is asking me if I trust that link

idk if I do

[strange python]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wet spire]

im so glad you posted that i was abotu to delete my rogue

kek

[frozen jasper]

Any word on this? Feels a little weird for me too

[slim hamlet]

yea idk IC range seems really low to me too

spatter too but we have known that

[keen spruce]

replicating feels extremely low too

[cerulean nest]

just deleted my rogue were good

[dark token]

nah sub replicating is like

[slim hamlet]

smart

[dark token]

20 y edge to edge

[slim hamlet]

so 10 yeard

idk what IC is

[haughty flicker]

how many teemos approximately was it

[slim hamlet]

But so many times it don't hit where it feels like it should

[haughty flicker]

less than 6

[slim hamlet]

3-6

[dark token]

did some key testing, if IC was higher range, spatter was higher range, sin could actually be good in keys

[slim hamlet]

They lowered IC range because of the out of combat pulling, but then they removed out of combat hits, so they should be able to crank it up imo

[spice surge]

IC and replicating work exactly the same no?

[slim hamlet]

think so

[spice surge]

(besides IC doing +2 instead of +1 dot ofc)

[slim hamlet]

y

[modest glen]

I noticed this as well, but thought it was cuz of no acro. Range feels short compared to before for sure

[hushed fable]

Can I macro KB with SD or there is a situation where these two wouldn't be cast one after the other? I'm asking cuz I have already 3 abilities that I would like to put under 1 keybind and... that at least would help me to some extent.

[slim hamlet]

only scenario i see is m+ where u need urgent iron wire via dance

so never prob

[slim venture]

stupid question, but does it work just like that?

[proven jasper]

./cast

[slim venture]

whats the difference?

[slim hamlet]

nothing

[proven jasper]

is there no diff?

between cast and use

[slim hamlet]

Not for trinkets at least

[slim hamlet]

but yea, I would recommend having showtooltip KB so you know it actually got cast as that is the one on gcd

bur probably just whatever u like

[honest vessel]

Is there anyway to sim the different amounts of delay for witherbark branch?

couldnt find it mentioned in the apl

[slim hamlet]

sounds like a non easy task

[strange python]

is there a weak aura that auto uses ambush instead of mutilate when it procs?

or macro i should say

[honest vessel]

that's just how it works now

[strange python]

oh

i see

[vale mortar]

Uses? no. just switches the icon

[fallen forge]

only 7k dps off my sim there is hope im not trash

[earnest remnant]

dont think my net worth is that high

[balmy condor]

anything between 1/1/4 and 1/1/9 is basically equal

[royal lantern]

whisp

[honest vessel]

ty ❤️

[royal lantern]

trinket changes, whats new bis???

[slim hamlet]

trinket changes, whats new bis???

[royal lantern]

no i wont open pins

[haughty flicker]

where sims

[warm void]

ashis bis

confirmed

[noble vault]

bis is what ever drops for u first

[keen spruce]

people think that they're going to be able to see those orbs in keys or raid

[slim hamlet]

Yeaaah

probably fine in raid

never seeing that shit in m+

[low quartz]

yeah nope, playing without vigor + thistle tea feels AWFUL

[keen spruce]

when they have 75000 spells flying over your shoulders, divine storms and 50 imps piling on you

ain't no way

[slim hamlet]

Wonder if there is a hackerman wa

or something

[keen spruce]

well fortunately

[slate crown]

And other friendos orbs

[keen spruce]

branch is still bis

even if you don't delay orbies

[deft vault]

witherbarks is awful to play with

[slim hamlet]

U can probably get used to their spawns

[keen spruce]

so i'm just gonna use it like a normal on use trinket

maybe wiggle around ab it

[slim hamlet]

yea was gonna say

[keen spruce]

and let the orbs land where they land

[slim hamlet]

its doggy if u just dont get the buff in KB

[deft vault]

have they fixed the fact that you see everyone elsse orb?

[slim hamlet]

oh god

[past forum]

I’m just gonna wiggle a bit and hope it’s good enough

[slim hamlet]

I did see a clip a week ago

not even a week ago

where u could see everyones

and multiple specs like it

[slate crown]

Idn, I recorded a clip of it on ptr

[deft vault]

i was playing on ptr and there wa slike 4 rogue and i coudlnt tell which orb was mine lol

[slim hamlet]

that would be awful

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-dance-block-party-party-partying-gif-18114396674706062346

[outer cairn]

still going with toxic thorn boots

[prisma creek]

Does by chance anyone have a script for Details (or other idea) to see Energy consumed? - I am tryingo to see the new talent at work, so I'd like to monitor what consumes my energy at a given time.

[balmy condor]

sanguine doesn't have any energy report in game

so it doesn't get logged

[prisma creek]

Oh...

and I am digging through things trying to find it...

but it does take the 2 energy described?

or am I tripping?

[balmy condor]

yes

it does

[prisma creek]

So instead of 10 energy recharged... it changes it to 8 then? Or how am I to understand this?

base recharge I mean

[balmy condor]

what

venomous wounds is 7

if you're above 50% energy with sanguine

bleed ticks eat 2 energy

that would be 5

[prisma creek]

AH IT ATTACHES TO VENOMOUS WOUNDS!

ooof...

thanks Whispyr!

[balmy condor]

I mean it doesn’t really attach

[tropic horizon]

hi all

[balmy condor]

They’re both just on bleed tick

[slim hamlet]

heylo

[prisma creek]

hmmm... ok... true... but it IS on bleed tick

[balmy condor]

Yes

That’s how it’s able to calculate extra damage

Or else it would have to be like

Above 50% energy when you cast the bleed?

And then it snapshots?

Would be some really janky shit

[icy iron]

10.2 assa actualyl feels soooooooooo GOOOOOOOOD

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[slim hamlet]

snapshotting exsang like it always was

https://tenor.com/view/jhnnycrwsh-forsen-nymn-batchest-twitch-gif-24086134

[icy iron]

[prisma creek]

tbh... that was what I was legit trying to figure out

[low quartz]

Question - is it worth overcapping combo points in aoe to get 3x improved garottes out on 7+ targets?

[balmy condor]

Very worth

[low quartz]

aite - and then I guess the aoe logic later is use your shadowdance/kingsbane to get more improved garottes out?

when they run out I guess

[tropic horizon]

not sure if I can ask here but I am new to rogue, I love the fantasy of stealth, kill and stealth again, what is the "easiest" spec/ build for a beginner?

[balmy condor]

Not quite cause you want to use your kingsbane for caustic

But kinda

[low quartz]

makes sense

[slim hamlet]

also holding KB+Dance sounds sus no?

[balmy condor]

Ye

[low quartz]

then I guess you kinda get forced to KB without dance then?

[balmy condor]

1 min cds are basically slam cd

[slim hamlet]

no

[balmy condor]

No you cast them together

Nightstalker pog

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/jhnnycrwsh-forsen-nymn-batchest-twitch-gif-24086134

snapshotting

[stable yarrow]

Is the 50% inc damage from Imp Garrote only applied when used in stealth? Wording seems confusing with "and".

[strong sleet]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[slim hamlet]

in and 3 sec after

[low quartz]

well yeah actually, I suppose at 7+ targets, you've had to use at least 6 globals to get your raptures out anyway, so dancing and KB will probably let you reapply garottes at a decent time anyway

[slim hamlet]

u can test it easy

if u cast a garrote and it goes on cd it wasn't improved

[low quartz]

still think its wild that crimson falls so low on the priority list - always seems to do a shit tonne of damage

[slim hamlet]

U don't necesarily need dots on every single mob

At some point it stops giving value because u overcap on energy

and u also want ruptures not just garrotes

[low quartz]

yeah makes sense - I find myself like never using death mark in aoe situations, bad habit I guess - just seems hard to get full value out of it on most packs

[slim hamlet]

slam it with KB

[strong sleet]

so i use sd to apply to better dots and just put kingsbane in their too if i can to snapshot it for kingsbane too?

[fallen forge]

Idk I think I take too long to get to sd and kb in aoe opener cause half the bleeds drop off during it

[slim hamlet]

Your main reason to use dance is to KB

the bleed spreading is bonus after

[neat horizon]

https://www.twitch.tv/zerocoolx

bro wtf is assa

[prisma creek]

Do I work with Sanguine Blades in a way where I actively try to stay above 50% and so cut my envenom chains "short" or do I just... yeet my envenom chains? and dont care that I am under 50%?

[slim hamlet]

zerocool

[outer cairn]

don't play around sanguine blades in st

[slim hamlet]

That outlaw is doing NUFFING

[neat horizon]

outlaw's just "there" lol

[prisma creek]

outlul play strange 😐

[slim hamlet]

Zerocool's UI gives me an aneurysm

https://tenor.com/view/waytoodank-pajlada-forsen-bttv-twitch-gif-15991735

[low quartz]

its wild hahahaa

[neat horizon]

But legit

[low quartz]

also - watching him rotationally just confuses the shit outta me - that man has his own rulebook and it works xD

[neat horizon]

how the hell is assa doing that much aoe

[slim hamlet]

Not too different from 10.1

[gilded oasis]

I'm back wher did we land with the garrote ticks

[slim hamlet]

Wasn't bugged

[neat horizon]

Assa did nowhere near those numbers in 10.1

[slim hamlet]

It did

Just no ST

also he has aug

I am more concernev how that outlaw is doing no dmg

[oblique wasp]

sin is WILD rn, I am not a good player and I was pumping absolute numbers in +19s +20s

[slim hamlet]

What zercool just said just doesn't sound right

it is right but it doesnt sound right

[keen spruce]

idk if any of them are that easy since everything is kinda new. probably pirate

[slim hamlet]

"outlaw on tyran, sin on forti"

What a world

[runic hinge]

Zero just pressed Kb before dance twice in a row and is complaining about assa single target

[slim hamlet]

Yea he kinda hard inted it this fight

[gilded oasis]

He's just one of us

[slim hamlet]

No pooling before KB either

But I do trust him tbh

[keen spruce]

zer

[thorn fox]

It's day 3, we're all still getting used to it

[dark token]

I don't

He said to fok single target

[slim hamlet]

Yea

[arctic hare]

I’ll be honest, I sometimes press fok in st lmao

[slim hamlet]

He is cooking something I am not eating

But he is also cooking stuff I am eating

[arctic hare]

Idk why the fuck I do it, I just do.

[keen spruce]

Zero great player, high key doer. just don't listen to anything he says or cooks up

[slim hamlet]

[runic hinge]

He could have just SD KB the boss and let spatter take care of the totem

[proven jasper]

[slim hamlet]

How big is the chance he plays no iron wire to get more dmg

considering he did CB for 0.1% dmg increase

[true basalt]

Whats going on

[keen spruce]

i don't fkin know man he always cooks up some wacky shit

[haughty flicker]

Reminds me of the copypasta about guy

[slim hamlet]

expand

[spice surge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/124169701881282560/1103428643453141063/IMG_5998.png?ex=655e6e81&is=654bf981&hm=6140fc792c9d8babccba407d49fe2965b7e6edf155aebbad48b364a1716da518&

I believe thats what he is referring to

[keen spruce]

[slim hamlet]

Is that from the podcast?

[haughty flicker]

Ye lmao

[slim hamlet]

[haughty flicker]

From max tier list last tier

[slim hamlet]

oh

There was a chatter in whispyrs stream last ravenholdt podcast

That was something quite close

about guy yapping

Wait

Is zerocool intentionally not snapshotting KB with SD in aoe

[keen spruce]

[strange python]

Which talent makes it so a garrote goes on 3 targets

when cast once

[keen spruce]

indiscriminate carnage

bottom right of the tree

[strange python]

thanks

ahh ok perfect thanks

yeah that's really nice - sin feels pretty good in m+ so far for me

[merry raven]

guessing the trinket changes dont affect our priority at all right

oh hey a new pin

[slate crown]

we good it seems? Stealth garrote not bugged?

[flint tusk]

[slim hamlet]

yep

[prisma cypress]

is sudden demise bugged or am i misunderstanding it

[flint tusk]

it seem to have a weird trigger point

[bitter brook]

hey guys why are we running subterfuge if we have improved garrote for raid/ m+?

[flint tusk]

delayed and not actually killing stuff sometimes

[slate crown]

https://youtu.be/2eXy9tgp5m0?t=808 <- Linked at timestamp, talks about subterfuge and why we take it

[bitter brook]

awesome thanks 😄

[midnight mist]

are you guys playing the same talent with and without t31

or I mean with current tset vs new

[thorny pond]

Oui

[midnight mist]

merci

[slim hamlet]

Feel like SB is not good without 4pc right?

You aren't doing the whole pooling for chains

[inner swift]

/wa

[thorny pond]

Pool is pool

[thorny pond]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[rustic minnow]

I don't understand why zerocool is sending kb without nightstalker, is the priority different in aoe?

[slim hamlet]

He is always doing something weird

Don't think about it

[keen spruce]

because zerocool is a menace

[slim hamlet]

He is the menace society needs

[keen spruce]

and often does things very suboptimally or just wrong

[slim hamlet]

without imbalance there is no balance

[thorny pond]

Also just may be saving stealth to spread bleeds

[slim hamlet]

He is

[thorny pond]

I haven’t watched

Just assumed knowing him

[slim hamlet]

But there is no way that using one more bleed is better than using KB

[thorny pond]

Energy and iron wire maybe is his thoughts?

Idk not defending just guessing

[slim hamlet]

yea u dont need to use 6 gcds for that tho

[thorny pond]

Carrying non utility dps lol

Spriest gonna bitch if they gotta cast a fear

[slim hamlet]

I could see a universe where u cba with MA and use KB last gcd of dance to focus more on the actual KB but fully not using in dance is certainly interesting

he did same on outlaw + aug comp

He also didn't snapshot it on boss there, but might just be because its new tbf

Haven't heard him say he is doing it intentionally

[rustic minnow]

Yea not of a fan of what I was seeing just then

Made my brain bleed

[slim hamlet]

Didn't pool for KB either but again likely just new rework stuff

[thorny pond]

My fingers hurt from reprogramming my brain

So he’s just suffering the embarrassment for us all

[strange python]

My brain hurts from reprogramming my fingers

[slim hamlet]

my brain hurts.

[rustic minnow]

My brain

[slim hamlet]

My.

[thorny pond]

Ow

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-gif-26307682

[fallen forge]

all these spinning plates makes me wanna try sub in m+ 🤮

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-gif-19411985

[brazen zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-voices-in-my-head-voices-cat-gif-23453583

[vague lion]

We have spread bleeds, spread poisons, ST cds that affect bleeds and poisions, that also splash. Tack combo points and energy into that, with dancing and stealth benefits. My god it feels like an all out brain teaser.

Good, but chaotic for a while.

[slim hamlet]

outlaw got the physical apm we got the mental apm

[fast pilot]

hello dearies

is there a haste breakpoint for kingsbane

[slim hamlet]

no

[fast pilot]

ok ty

[coral pawn]

fix leech poison bug T.T

[slim hamlet]

i dont want to 😦

[misty kernel]

its at the end of KB and refresh improved garrots if u actually look how m+ works different than raid and if u are that pissed off just dont watch me 😄

[slim hamlet]

Oh I am not

We were just discussing what you were cooking

[misty kernel]

i told u the end of kings bane i use dance to procc MA and refresh improved garrots

[slim hamlet]

I see

[slim hamlet]

Does sound worth over the snapshot tbh in aoe

[misty kernel]

i still get the snap

but make sure i get more improved garrots + SS at 8+ mobs

[coral pawn]

does shrouded no work from dance?

[misty kernel]

it does

and thats the point

[slim hamlet]

Didn't you just say you use dance end of KB?

[misty kernel]

am not gonna waste dance just to snap KB without using some garrots

[misty kernel]

yes

to Get MA and refresh garrots

[slim hamlet]

How do you snap it then?

[coral pawn]

my question is unrelated to the reason onetrick is asking...i was using it just a bit ago and i swear i wasnt getting the extra CPs

[slim hamlet]

it has worked all week for me

[jaunty phoenix]

why am i simming 10k less rn as assa compared to outlaw/sub

[coral pawn]

tier?

[jaunty phoenix]

old tier

t30

[slim hamlet]

Because it sims 10k less rn than ol/sub

[proven jasper]

lol

[coral pawn]

tier

[dark token]

then do dance, garrotes, and kb at the last sec of dance instead

this snapshots it still

if u use it before it wont snap

[jaunty phoenix]

ig sb and ol better before we get tier

t

ty

[slim hamlet]

I think the point is that u can keep your improved garrotes running

With Zerocools cook

Instead of insta using dance on pull

But idk how he snapshots it, but also do that

[thorny onyx]

I think it's more like One trick is saying, but more using dance to proc MA at the end of kingsbane

and having vanish ready for chain pull to spread garrotes again

[slim hamlet]

And then keeping more duration on the bleeds + imp

but again idk how he snapshots it outside vanish every 2nd time

[misty kernel]

the main point to refresh garrots @slim hamlet instead of overcapping as u opened from stelth u said it right

[slim hamlet]

So you just KB first gcd going into combat with this?

[dark token]

[slim hamlet]

Idk he said he snapshotted it?

[dark token]

i think hes mistaken about the snapshot, hes trading off not snapshotting kingbsane for more garrote uptime and MA on the last 3ticks

cause u cant snapshot kingsbane without being in a stealth stance before casting it

[slim hamlet]

Honestly sounds worth it to me, idk if it was tested with sims

[dark token]

i think hes mistaken about the snapshot, hes trading off not snapshotting kingbsane for more garrote uptime and MA on the last 3ticks
this maybe sounds worth but ye ignore snapshot thing

[slim hamlet]

Imma try that tomorrow

Would only be worth if u get restealths between packs tho

[snow kindle]

does haste make your bleeds go faster

[slim hamlet]

Only if it's enough to make your blood boil

oh

haste

yes

[snow kindle]

is that why pi is good or something

[slim hamlet]

one of the reasons

helps stack KB faster too which is a lot of our dmg

[snow kindle]

it doesnt give kb more ticks thought right

[spice surge]

It does not

[snow kindle]

it just gets the dmg amp higher cause more poison procs or w/e

[slim hamlet]

ye

[errant summit]

best rogue race horde top 3 overall 3 specs

[maiden sierra]

do we go for more than 4 combo points evenoms?

[slim hamlet]

spending at 4+ is same as 5+

[keen spruce]

interesting

free embelishment

[slim hamlet]

Can't wait to see top logs having people use that to buff their mastery

[spice surge]

Def not free

[keen spruce]

maxes out at 450 ilvl so i would be very doubtful

[spice surge]

Its got like 750 less secondaries

[keen spruce]

oh i didn't notice that

boooo

into the sea then

[storm forum]

Healer simp neck