assassination

[blazing jewel]

Usually my p1 looks like healthpot + maybe hearthstone on group breath clear

End of p1 cloak right before the mass clear disintegrate goes off

Which covers most of the surge

[cerulean nest]

yup

[whole mason]

you may use it after the gateway.

[cerulean nest]

nah just vial there

if you're super low at gateway it's kinda the healers fault

oh you mean the later gate

[whole mason]

P3 gate with 2 mass dispel and blackhole soak

generally it should be fine, since you can feint after gateway. but extra health bar can make your healer focus on other vulnerable members.

for that gateway, we know we're fine even if we're low since we feint right after gateway and before blackhole soak. but healers usually not monitor feint buff and treat us like the ones need help.

[cerulean nest]

I'll let my healers know

we're just starting work on p2 now so we have a sec

[whole mason]

yea, your healers will get better during progress, and you may later not even feint breath or glittering. but help them a bit is nice.

[cerulean nest]

btw anyone have a good target interrupt macro for the big ad in p2? I'm first up

[whole mason]

use a macro /focus [target=boss2] to make focus on it and use focus kick

alternatively, you can just kick boss2

[cerulean nest]

so it'd be /cast Kick [target=boss2]

?

[whole mason]

sure

/cast [@boss2]Kick

something like this

[cerulean nest]

cool

[whole mason]

you may add more conditions like 'exist'

[past forum]

Is there anywhere we can see what adds fall under the name of boss[] or is that something you just gotta know?

[near valley]

Like what adds are in a boss fight?

[past forum]

I guess what I’m saying is that I didn’t realize that [@boss] was something you could do and what boss adds count as additional bosses

[spice surge]

Its whatever shows up on your boss frame

And in that order

[whole mason]

it is the order in frame as Eleem said. and It also applies to @arena1, party1, raid1

[past forum]

That makes sense. I’ve used arena/party targeting keybinds/macros forever, just wasn’t aware boss frames still had that functionality

[strange python]

Any good tips as sin for Sark mythic? ^^

[blissful forge]

dont die

[gusty mirage]

feint breath clear, feint disintegrate or cloak it, and just pray it doesn't take you 300 pulls

[silk bane]

is it actually worth it feint breath? like the on hit damage is just w/e its the dot that eats your ass no?

[blissful forge]

ye

but normally you md it amyway

[keen spruce]

big yes

[gusty mirage]

it's both

[silk bane]

really? hmm ill try it out, usually my health pot + healthstone goes for clear, then i cloak last disintegrate.

[gusty mirage]

the dot is only more damage if you sit the entire duration of it

[keen spruce]

use juice box liberally, hope you don't get targetted by the desintegrate immediately after breath.

health pot in p1 after breath if MD doesn't hit you

cloak can be used at w/e part is spookiest for you. maybe the breath maybe the last glittering surge before transition

[summer bolt]

idk what are u talking about

[silk bane]

I usually cloak the last desintegrate, so it covers like a good chunk of surge too.

[gusty mirage]

@silk bane

[silk bane]

is that the upfront on hit damagE?

[gusty mirage]

ya

hits for about 200kish

[silk bane]

i see, interesting, yeah makes sense, i was usually vialing there cuz i was more scared of the dot. looking at this, think makes more sense to feint and then pot if i dont get MDd

thanks professor oxi and friends

❤️

[gusty mirage]

ya what I do is I feint the initial hit

then I vial and pray I get dispelled

[silk bane]

surely me taking 50k less damage on the first hit here is gonna stop my mages and priests from rotting in p1 and we kill boss. Inshallah.

[gusty mirage]

that breath overlaps with a bomb kerploding

it's actually so fucking spooky

[silk bane]

yeah P1 damage is kinda giga sus

but also like exciting

[keen spruce]

ye i feint the breath, juice box, then just hold my finger over the health pot button

if you get desintegrate and did not get dispelled, you basically have to healthpot on the tic of damage before the desintegrate hits or your cheat is gone

often you'll want to health pot anyways around that time cuz the next set of bombs comes down and your healers are running for their lives

and won't be able to triage as much

[stiff thicket]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[stiff thicket]

Hello everyone 🙂 ! Could you please help me understand what i might have done wrong with our tonight first Magmorax kill please ? I think my rotation is ok but my parse is not very high so i wonder where i could improve please ? Thank you for helping me if you have some time : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7jVL4YMaNBRJt9dA#fight=12&type=damage-done&source=14

[balmy condor]

in your opener you didn't cast a second shiv until 0:32

this garrote at 1:53 is the second sepsis garrote, so it has a 23 second timer, enters pandemic at 2:11

you clip it the moment you get into your deathmark by vanish double garroting

if you're going to double garrote let the sepsis garrote expire, if you do it like this you're just wasting uptime for no reason

that 2 min deathmark again didn't have a second shiv, you should be dumping all your charges during deathmark

shiv in blue, deathmark is that light grey, sepsis in yellow

so you shiv to not overcap at 1:23 here, which means you should be capped on charges 50 seconds later at 2:13ish

you cast your shiv at 2:07

so you have a charge available when that ends

you just aren't using it

same issue again on the 4 min deathmark

huge gap here where you're pooling shiv charges

and then you just don't cast shiv

holding onto it for no reason

at the end of the fight you trolled your garrote

also something to note for magmorax specifically you should be holding your deathmark for your potion at 5min rather than using it on cooldown at 4min

speaking of which

you didn't use a second potion

so thats int

[stiff thicket]

oh yeah indeed

i thought i used it

thank you very much for your feedback 🙂 !

[balmy condor]

do you have it macro'd to your deathmark?

[stiff thicket]

yeah i do

[balmy condor]

yeh okay

[stiff thicket]

but i pressed it at 5

[balmy condor]

just make sure you hold the deathmark then for the 5min

easy fix

also what the fuck is happening with your windfury

[stiff thicket]

he is new on his enh 😛

[balmy condor]

yeh that's a tilter for sure

you also just didn't get lucky on a lot of stuff

sophic uptime was meh

gear isn't the best

lot of people reclearing magmorax are giga geared at this point with 450 daggers and stuff

so you're on a prog kill fighting against a lot of farm kills

lot of things just adding up

[stiff thicket]

yeah i see

thank you a lot for your feedback

[balmy condor]

np

[stiff thicket]

i will do some dummy for the shivs and all

trying to improve about what you said to me

[main vessel]

I wish Whispyr would add me up

[balmy condor]

funny enough, your sepsis casts themselves are pretty perfect aside from the one you stumbled over

usually that's the one that gets peopl

[balmy condor]

[stiff thicket]

haha at least i didn't messed up the first 3

[atomic star]

I finally killed zskarn, there is a god

[gusty mirage]

[atomic star]

last pull of the night magic as always lol

[lucid rain]

what's your guys' usual crafted piece that takes up a tier slot?

helm?

[balmy condor]

chest

[silk bane]

@gusty mirage we saw p3 and i got to paaaaaaaaaad

[lucid rain]

ty

so just browsing the faq, I see that vers is lowest prio for secondaries

how bad is it, exactly?

are we talking avoid like the plague or "you can use it just fix it eventually"

if sin and sub are equally as good in m+ come 10.2, I want to play it (sin)

so I'm asking a bunch of stuff now

[silk bane]

honestly stats are kinda w/e for sin u can have worst in slot stats and best in slot stats and the difference is like 3k.

[arctic hare]

Which paracausal fragment should i grab for a good upgrade to start with?

[lucid rain]

gotcha

I guess crit is still big value for obvious reasons

and I'd want to avoid haste in aoe, I see in the faq

looks like I'm pretty much running my sub gear for sin m+, assuming it's viable

nice

[silk bane]

yeah, honestly just get some haste so youre not at 0, and youre just fine!

surprisingly the spec feels fine even at 0 haste n

kinda interesting

[balmy condor]

they're all kinda shit

pick the one that tickles your fancy the most

and then replace asap

[arctic hare]

So not worth replacing Whisper incarnate icon or Algethar?

ehh, i'll just sim it.

[lucid rain]

[silk bane]

btw @balmy condor how many pulls did it take you guys to kill it once u saw p3? i mean angry yello lizard commandar man

[silk bane]

thats fine, not that bad

[arctic hare]

lmao, they really are bad

[slate crown]

How hard is it to swap from sub to sin? does it need a bunch of recrafting if I want to give it a try or is it basically the same prio?

[silk bane]

long asnwer : read 8 comments up. short answer. no.

[gilded oasis]

I can't count to 8 😦

[balmy condor]

just count to 10 and then count 2 backwards

[gilded oasis]

ok got it

[sudden canyon]

thats 12 tho

[spice spire]

No that’s 8

Two back

[runic hinge]

Owt

[spice spire]

It’s the number right after 0 if I’ve learned anything from indiscriminate carnage

[balmy condor]

PoV most intelligent rogue players

[quiet oar]

[runic hinge]

Didn’t make the screenshot. Am stupid confirmed

[spice spire]

[quiet oar]

[runic hinge]

[blazing jewel]

[sudden canyon]

ur already counting back

[deft flicker]

Someone got Vectored

https://tenor.com/view/vector-gif-26416642

[pulsar dirge]

Ok I did this manually to be sure , you go 1,2...10 then 2 more upwards (the back of the catalog ) I'm lost now though

[shut lotus]

Quick question: what should I play on mythic neltharion? Assassination or Sub?

[weak plover]

Whatever you like

[frigid kestrel]

Subsassin

[thorn fjord]

@gusty mirage Hi friend. I hope to no longer be a ghost

[vapid sierra]

Either

But I think sub does pull ahead a bit because of cleave

Checked wcl and it’s super minimal

So whatever you like

[shut lotus]

My whole gear has sin stats but I was wondering if there is a major diff for the last to since stats show sub way ahead on dps...

[royal lantern]

ye cus they go full pad whore in last phase

gotta spam blackpowder for those adds that are totally extremely important, and dont die in 2seconds by passive aoe dmg anyway

same with sark lol

[clever sapphire]

would be a shame if sub was padding with black powder on the adds to get better logs huh

[blazing jewel]

I couldn’t possibly think of anyone who did that

I think @royal lantern did

[royal lantern]

assuming that i Play sub in raids

[blazing jewel]

BUT IF YOU DID

[void mesa]

Scana projecting smh

[pure moth]

There are literally guilds recruiting rogues (preferred sub) for echo and sark... and they are barely 5/9

[gilded oasis]

I prefer white powder spam

[spice surge]

Having one rogue is nice, and for echo specifically having numbing is also good

For reducing add damage

[pure moth]

Yeah

[royal lantern]

man

what world are they living

[blazing jewel]

[spice spire]

That’s fucked up dog wtf

[royal lantern]

2things

why is it even called black powder when the animation is purple magic shit and not black powder

why is the entire ability still something that comes from early SL alpha and never left alpha stage

[blazing jewel]

Bro we would get clowned on even harder if it was called purple powder

[royal lantern]

powder of dubious colour

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

The base is black, the purple is the magic

https://tenor.com/view/magic-confetti-awesome-gif-11884906

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/playing-powder-cute-kid-oops-gif-16329947

sub rogue aoe rotation

[blazing jewel]

Sub rogues doing vape tricks in the middle of combat

[blazing jewel]

What’s wrong quake

[royal lantern]

he is on his hero arc

hunting villains now

[spice spire]

Villains are people who play sub

😈

[burnt latch]

Here to be hunted

[blazing jewel]

Private investigator cosplay

[gusty mirage]

bro?

[burnt latch]

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/raingump-kto-kounotori-kounotoritoken-lbow-gif-26528412

[runic hinge]

[pure moth]

Dunno, but i messaged one and asked why lol. Im like i aint looking, but i noticed your looking for sub and said the spec was useless. 😂

[royal lantern]

where did i say ussules?

[spice spire]

She was saying she said that to the recruiter I Think

[sudden canyon]

u dont get the 4set when the target dies with deathmark?

or am i trippin

thats stupid if so

[spice spire]

Ur tripping

[sudden canyon]

ok

[spice spire]

Conventionally

But if you have logs

Post

[sudden canyon]

ima check again waiting for cd

nvm im trippin.

its poisoned edges right?

[spice spire]

Ye

[thorn fjord]

[royal lantern]

[spice spire]

[sudden canyon]

time to try sub

[vestal wren]

hav fun, and don't be afraid to ask in #subtlety if you have questions

[gilded oasis]

(be afraid)

[spice spire]

I always am

[vestal wren]

you don't need to be

[spice surge]

At first i was afraid, i was petrified

[vestal wren]

Kept thinking I could never live without you by my side

[spice spire]

But then I spent so many nights thinking how you did me wrong

[balmy condor]

I’m blue da bu di da bu die

[gilded oasis]

[spice spire]

H8 u

[pseudo hamlet]

Any news about Assa spec? 10.1.7 or 10.2?

[clever sapphire]

same as the last 25 days, 10.2

[pseudo hamlet]

Sad, but understandable.

[balmy condor]

would be a bit late for 10.1.7 considering we have a release date for less than a month away

[burnt latch]

Next week is 10.2 ptr release

I did the maths

The investigation

The obligation

The premeditation

[grand trail]

i dont think so

[burnt latch]

Would make sense considering how the .0 patch release cycle went

And they’ve been pretty consistent with that so far

[grand trail]

well im really looking forward to ptr

but i dont think we getting it this month

[burnt latch]

What makes u think so?

We’re getting 10.1.7 5th of september

[grand trail]

i think we dont get it before 10.1.7 go live

[burnt latch]

We got 10.1 ptr before 10.0.7 went live tho

And that patch had more content

[grand trail]

hmm

i dont thing rogue changes are ready since realz was asking in channels "what people wants" recently

[burnt latch]

Thats what the ptr is there for

Rogue doesnt need to be ready to go on day 1

[grand trail]

will see, sooner the better

im really hopeful about 10.2

[burnt latch]

Actually none of the classes have been, ret paladin especially got released on the ptr during their rework in a really funny state

A lot not NYI talents and stuff

[vestal wren]

not sure if we will see overlapping ptr iterations for 10.2 but who knows

[burnt latch]

Its gamescom too starting 23rd

Idk if blizz has panel there but would be a good time to release the new patch and yap about it

[frozen iris]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[limpid hawk]

Simple solution for Assassination M+

Put Blade Flurry in Ass tree

Goodbye all

[static glacier]

doesn't solve the issue

issue is the buttons you press lowkey don't matter, CT or envenom pb fishing

[limpid hawk]

Well Envenom hitting like a wet fucking noodle doesn’t help either

Envenom V Evisercate is like being shot with a BB gun and then getting shot with a an anti tank round

[vagrant hearth]

Should i use beacon or neltharion trinket in m+ with bomb?

[spice spire]

?

BIG DIFFERENCE

[limpid hawk]

Idk, idk what the fuck I’m talking about. I just switched from Feral to Rogue for Mythic Sark progress because our rogue had to take a break due to real life issues. So I’m filling in.

Feels like Envenom hits like shit compared to Evisercate

[spice spire]

I mean it’s less

But it’s not wet noodle (im also gaslighting because PB is rolled in) though that’s part of envenom in general so

[burnt latch]

Based

Most of the time i dont know what im talking about either

Just yap with confidence and the sheep will follow

[limpid hawk]

I’m probably just fucking something up on Ass rogue rotation

I played Sub, but I always liked Ass better. So I tried around with Ass rogue and it didn’t really feel F tier worthy I guess? Idk, like I said I literally just switched and I haven’t played rogue as a main since WOD, so what do you all feel the problems are with it in M+ and raid? Not tryna sound snarky, genuinely curious since I’m new to this

[burnt latch]

Doesnt do enough damage

[spice spire]

Raid is tuning

M+ has more issues

But we’re also primed for a rework in 10.2 so my qualms are kind of null and void in like 2.5 months

[limpid hawk]

I’m assuming Ass rogue is gonna get a spec specific raid buff too. Since they really went into that this expansion

[spice spire]

The raid utility it brings is atrophic

That seems to be cemented as its “thing”

[burnt latch]

Yeah havent they kinda gone away from spec specific stuff rather than into it

[limpid hawk]

Yeah I suppose. Feels kinda shit tho ya know? Because Sub can bring that too. So it makes bringing Ass over Sub a pure tuning thing.

[limpid hawk]

Eh I would say their pushing more into it again.

[spice spire]

I mean yeah

[burnt latch]

Thats the case with every class with more than 1 dps spec

[spice spire]

That’s kind of the thing is like if you’re hurling toward optimal whatever. You’ll play what’s best

[burnt latch]

How come? I cant think of a single example of this happening

Literally the opposite

[limpid hawk]

Oh trust me I know. Playing Feral most of the expansion was very tuning based too over Balance

[spice spire]

I can think of exactly one :^)

Feral innervate versus every other innervate

[balmy condor]

the utility is definitely going to class

not spec

[burnt latch]

But even thats going for class specific, not spec specific, innervate wasnt even available to feral/guardian in SL iirc

[limpid hawk]

Feral Innervate is still shit compared to all others. Because Feral is the only one who has to shift out of form to use it 🥲

[burnt latch]

Sure, the out of form thing sucks but thats an oversight

[spice spire]

Yeah that’s the difference

That’s the singular one where your “utility” is slightly worse

But mow exists so xd

But yeah it’s definitely class utility and that’s done and dusted at this point

[limpid hawk]

Like there is some specific examples I’d like to be brought back.

I won’t deny, I love spec specific buffs. People can call them shit all they want and annoying, but I do love them.

Like Windfury I feel needs to be baseline for just Shaman. So at least an Ele/Resto can bring it

[balmy condor]

but they're ranged

that's uber cringe

you want them to walk into melee, drop a windfury, then walk out into ranged again?

[limpid hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

Yes

[balmy condor]

yeh dunno bout that one chief

[limpid hawk]

But also because I think Windfury should function like the reworked Mana Spring

[royal lantern]

so the sub shroud MS is going into class tree?

[balmy condor]

delete this

[silk bane]

let chef tyran prefer this gourmet meal

can we put garrote back in general tree to chef?

[balmy condor]

honestly the best patch notes realz can give us in 10.2 is

• reduced the cooking in ravenholdt by 95%

[spice spire]

True

Gonna send him that suggestion

[earnest remnant]

its fine ill do my cooking in another discord

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-cooking-perro-dog-dangerrfox-gif-23889683

[silk bane]

we wont stand for purple name tyranny. let them cook

[slim hamlet]

Wait

We actually got buffed

[slim hamlet]

Still too op tbh

[atomic rune]

We're saaved boys pack it up

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-god-here-we-go-south-park-e1802-herbert-garrison-oh-no-here-it-comes-gif-20593052

[spice spire]

Okay don’t guys please

[atomic rune]

Madge let me vent while I wait patiently for rework 😠

[spice spire]

@balmy condor where sim

[spice spire]

That wasn’t responding to you, there’s a preemptive thing that happens whenever Assassination is mentioned

And people will ask the wildest things

[atomic rune]

oh LOL

[slim hamlet]

Literal number 1 spec

[spice spire]

Like seconds after release where sim

Like I did 🙂

[atomic rune]

LMAO well in that case

@balmy condor Where sim?

[spice spire]

Oh don’t ping him

I’ve had to send a lot of feet pics for my good will

[slim hamlet]

@balmy condor Where sim fr tho m8?

[spice spire]

[spice spire]

[warm sleet]

HUGE SIN BUFFS

[burnt latch]

IS SIN NOW PLAYABLE?

[slim hamlet]

CAN WE SPEC INTO THE FUN SPEC AGAIN?

TELL ME PLEASE I CAN'T THINK MYSELF

[true basalt]

we finally got the tuning changes!

[balmy condor]

8/18 Buffs:

• Since auto attacks are included in this buff, this is much closer to 5% than the previous 5%ers. It still doesn't include trinkets like beacon/bomb
• If you have dice, it's a little better than last week
• If you were using chromatic, it's a little better than last week
• 5% will make us better, but we're still single target boss killer PoV. This shouldn't impact your view of the meta vs subtlety.
• Impact on m+ meta is actually zero

Sims are not including the 5% buff to auto attack damage as this can not be easily simmed in an override and has to be coded in. Add another 400ish dps to the below numbers
Single target:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/htJftk57DoNTL9v4SrSYAP
135,467 -> 141,072
(+4.1%)

Dungeonslice:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jRr99Vvx94dSqg1RRikaH9
137,502 -> 143,359
(+4.3%)

[spice spire]

[atomic rune]

Pog I have Chromatic AND Dice Im going to PUMp

[thorn fjord]

[slim hamlet]

So we BIS for sark now right?

Tell me please

Please tell me

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor assa m+ meta now??

[slim hamlet]

Me please tell

[thorny quiver]

M+ meta is now Bear/H Pala/ 3 Assa rogues

[thorn fjord]

If you build it they will come @slim hamlet

[spice spire]

Aight

[slim hamlet]

wtf does that mean

[spice spire]

I trolled one ping. Next troll ping getting the corner

[slim hamlet]

if you build it

build what

[thorn fjord]

Your own destiny bro

[slim hamlet]

damn

that's deep

almost as deep as I will go in sark with these buffs

holy

[strange python]

I passed by a 447 dice in vault for socket xD

[spice spire]

Why

[slim hamlet]

Why

[spice spire]

Dice was actually decent

Before

[atomic rune]

holy WHY

[royal lantern]

TELL ME WHY

[strange python]

Cuz I got better trinkets

[thorn fjord]

If it makes you feel any better both sin and sub feel like shit on sark 🤣

[strange python]

Sockets was bigger upgrade xD

[slim hamlet]

AINT NOTHING BUT A HEARTACHE

[pastel flint]

AIN'T NOTHING BUT A HEARTACHE

[slim hamlet]

Sorry was a lil slow

[thorn fjord]

I’ve passed on two 447 dice

[royal lantern]

TEEEELL ME WHY

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-skill-issue-krill-issue-gif-25572478

[strange python]

I've passed 2 now that you say it

[slim hamlet]

AINT NOTHING BUT A MISTAKE

[pastel flint]

AINT NOTHING BUT A MISTAKE

[toxic night]

does this apply to pvp ?

[burnt latch]

@burnt latch IS ROGUE META NOW

[thorn fjord]

Dispenser and beacon gamba gaming

[burnt latch]

YEAH MAN

[spice spire]

I’d assume so

[spice spire]

I actually Lysm you make me sick mister warcieft

[strange python]

Love when you crit on all uses on beacon in 1 pull and then wipe at 1% and then next pull 0 crits and boss dies xD

[balmy condor]

yes, all changes apply to pvp unless stated otherwise

[burnt latch]

ily2

[slim hamlet]

outplayed and skill issue + l bozo

[weak cypress]

ASA BUFF LESGO

[thorn fjord]

Were there anymore sark nerfs announced?

[strange python]

Can't say much to my raid team being pepegas from time to time xD

[spice spire]

Nah

[thorn fjord]

Boo

[slim hamlet]

"Vers enjoyer"

[spice spire]

Sark buffs actually

[weak cypress]

YUP

[thorn fjord]

Sick

[strange python]

You gain more haste downstairs when picking motes xD

[slim hamlet]

Secret gamba speccer infiltrating

[weak cypress]

wait

what ? 😄

[slim hamlet]

Isn't outlaw the only vers enjoying spec

[atomic rune]

oh LOL we started memeing Whispyr in PoE season start sorry champ didnt mean to

[weak cypress]

y ofc

[celest helm]

is dungeon slice optimized for assass

[final star]

yes

[spice spire]

Is that THE KPB in #assassination chat?

[slim hamlet]

I hoped we would be the one switching out fire mage

rough

[spice spire]

That’s bait

Holy

[desert inlet]

[spice spire]

The ol one trick coming in

[celest helm]

idk why they think 5% is enough to help assass lmao, but ill gladly take any buffs

[burnt latch]

I just recrafted all my shit to vers crit

[spice spire]

I mean

[slim hamlet]

It's all lies

I play ele shaman now

[clever sapphire]

assa rogues before the buff "can we like also get compensation buffs like outlaw? its not like it would hurt"

assa rogues after the buff "dude these buffs change nothing, why did we even get it"

[spice spire]

It’s a pretty fair buff

True actually

[slim hamlet]

Pretty decent

[desert inlet]

Me like buff

[spice spire]

Both of those things did happen

[desert inlet]

Stab harder why no like

[burnt latch]

Assa already was pretty decent ngl

[final star]

I see assa buffs I come in to chat

[burnt latch]

Just small sample size

[slim hamlet]

Enough to where I stopped leveling alt to log into rogue again so yea

[celest helm]

i feel like assass needs more than a 5% to be brought into a meta

[atomic rune]

Endwyr does that mean were getting more Dungeon vods on YT I can watch before bed?

[burnt latch]

5% more than fair

[slim hamlet]

Obviously

[spice spire]

[slim hamlet]

Still decent

[spice spire]

I mean I wouldn’t go that far

[slim hamlet]

Until 10.2

[desert inlet]

perhaps

[spice spire]

But 5% far more than I expected

[celest helm]

any buffs are good buffs

[burnt latch]

What meta u wanna get into bruski

[desert inlet]

Team not really playing rn tho

[slim hamlet]

Good part is they included melee

[spice spire]

(I expected nothing)

[desert inlet]

Prob pick up again next season

[slim hamlet]

Who did at this point

[atomic rune]

Yeah I dont blame you just got out of a 19 as Assa and it is just not fun ever lmao

[spice spire]

Randoms who came in

I actually quite enjoy sin m+

Numbers just ain’t there

[desert inlet]

Lol it's fun with team but kinda loss interest this season

[warm sleet]

sin is surprisingly good in m+

[burnt latch]

Same tbh

[desert inlet]

I'm a baldurs gate enjoyer

[grim tangle]

SIN ROGUE NOW BEST SPEC IN THE GAME

[warm sleet]

ive been getting compliments from people when playing sin. they are surprised I'm not total hot trash

[burnt latch]

Especially last season (gameplay hasnt changed)

[slim hamlet]

Hard not to

[atomic rune]

Its surprisingly good sure, but its not good by any means in my opinion. The single target on Tyran just feels miserable.

[spice spire]

(It has less thinking currently)

[bronze pike]

im just saying

[burnt latch]

((I never thinked to begin with))

[bronze pike]

if the dev listens to my great ideas

[spice spire]

Amen brother

Okay two things

[burnt latch]

Slam pb procs

[spice spire]

A. No

[bronze pike]

we wouldnt need a 5% aura buff

cause sin would be perfect

[spice spire]

B. The mabosstiff pfp is great

Big fan

[gray crest]

alright i saw an aura buff to sin, time to see what sin chat is cookin

[bronze pike]

mabosstiff was my mvp in my nuzlock

[spice spire]

They’re not cooking lil bro

[bronze pike]

not today

[spice spire]

Go back to coordinating drone strikes

[bronze pike]

its raining and im sad

so no cookin

[atomic rune]

We're able to get title now in M+ bro its huge

[burnt latch]

No clue what it is but mabosstiff would be a great adult entertainer stage name

[split veldt]

is sin still crit/mast?

[slim hamlet]

holy based first wowhead commenter

[spice spire]

Dog Pokémon

[atomic rune]

SIm

[slim hamlet]

Wait I can't send pictures

huh

[runic hinge]

Based af

[spice spire]

Pretty much. Just follow robot.

But loosely yeah

[desert inlet]

What's wrong slice and dice

[desert inlet]

Ur crazy

[spice spire]

Multi speccing fucky for sure

[bronze pike]

good boi

[slim hamlet]

Nvm it just took some time

[bronze pike]

best pokemon design in awhile

[atomic rune]

I'm full Crit/Mast but sim has me slotting Mast/Haste gems all throughout

[burnt latch]

That guys based as hell ngl id train him first

[bronze pike]

bit sadge that not a wide diverse movepool

[spice spire]

I’m finishing violet up rn. Like 15 minutes a day for the past 5 months

Elite 4 time

[bronze pike]

but slap a assault vest on him and its stronk enough

[spice spire]

[atomic rune]

If we didn't have Cut to the Chase SnD would be miserable.

[burnt latch]

I used to play the hell out of Emerald? I think it was called when i was a kid

[desert inlet]

Ya but we do

[spice spire]

That’s what happens with stats. You get more of one and it prioritizes it less

[bronze pike]

emerald was bis

[atomic rune]

Yeah of course, I was using that as an example of why you should just flat sim

[slim hamlet]

Slice and dice is fine now, the button basically don't exist

[slim hamlet]

press once and forget

[spice spire]

I haven’t played emerald. Just sapphire from that set. Until last year hadn’t played one since sapphire

[slim hamlet]

More interesting for sub rogue

[spice spire]

Oh fair, apologies

[bronze pike]

really violet and scarlet was bis for dogs

[spice spire]

TRUE

Too bad none of the dogs seemed that great

[atomic rune]

I hate SnD for Sub man that is not fun. It's just a random plate you have to spin

[desert inlet]

I had a cat in Scarlet

[bronze pike]

charizard killer

[slim hamlet]

I knew this was off-topic-2.0 but holy

[desert inlet]

And a flamingo

Dogless

[burnt latch]

Flareon was

Love flareon

[atomic rune]

We just gotta weave in the Assa talk in between Dogs

[spice spire]

Literally 0 bitches unreal

[atomic rune]

If we don't this chat is DEAD

[desert inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/sprigatito-gif-25031587

[slim hamlet]

I would give a good estimate of 10% of the chat in here being sin rogue

or at least rogue

5% sin rogue

[spice spire]

Nah there’s a bit more

[slim hamlet]

Really?

[atomic rune]

We're the most unrepresented class in all of M+ man you arent wrong

[spice spire]

This season mega deadge chat though.

[slim hamlet]

Maybe I am the problem

I have 14k messages in here

[burnt latch]

I remember when assa was OT2, the glory days

[slim hamlet]

and probably a good 500 is about sin rogue

[spice spire]

I killed mag for the first time last night. 96 players total

[spice spire]

I too remember sofo

[bronze pike]

i wont lie

[burnt latch]

What a time

[bronze pike]

i love the fire lizard

[spice spire]

That’s who I chose

[restive falcon]

sin buffs

[bronze pike]

but this generagtion was the first time i swapped out my starter

[restive falcon]

we r saved

[spice spire]

What fire would you swap it for? There’s like one better iirc

[desert inlet]

It was sooo hard not to pick the little dumdum after the intro

He's so cute

[spice spire]

[desert inlet]

And dumb

[atomic rune]

God I can't wait for rework comes out and they just slap this baby back in and call it good for M+ damage

[bronze pike]

me and my bestie caught each other crueledge and armordude

[spice spire]

Aight delete this nephew

[bronze pike]

crueledge is pretty based ngl

[hoary fulcrum]

I saw the pins. How do we think this makes us in ST, compared to sub and law?

[spice spire]

Yeah ceruledge is the one

[burnt latch]

Dude im having massive urge to play pokemon now can i buy it on PC or do i need to go buy some portable nintendo or sth

[spice spire]

Close to 5% better than we were

[atomic rune]

🏴‍☠️

[spice spire]

Portable Nintendo or switch or what the other said

[atomic rune]

It is morally correct to pirate nintendo products

[slim hamlet]

Whispyr simming right now

[spice spire]

Gonna be honest I liked sword better than violet

But both are good

[hoary fulcrum]

Lol. Sorry for my ignorance. I haven't been playing for a month or so. So I was just seeing. The 5% better was funny af tho

[spice spire]

I do miss gold and sapphire though

[slim hamlet]

I mean

[burnt latch]

Hmm that’ll be an expensive itch to fix, maybe ill just watch someones playtrough instead. Id imagine switch aint cheap

[strange niche]

opened whispyr's stream for the first time and I thought I was looking in the mirror

[slim hamlet]

only trinkets aren't getting buffed

so 5%

[strange niche]

we look so much alike

[slim hamlet]

Prove it

[spice spire]

It’s 5% of everything outside of trinkets I wasn’t trying to be a smartass I promise

[atomic rune]

If you really want to play them on PC I can help you set some stuff up if you want to play anything older then S/V

I would have to do some research but TotK is mega playable on PC now

[spice spire]

That’s gonna not be done on this server though? Right?

[atomic rune]

So im sure modern Pokemon would be playable

Naur of course not

[burnt latch]

ill see my options tomorrow ill msg u if i decide i want to play on pc ty mate

[spice spire]

Anyway

[atomic rune]

! It is morally correct to pirate Nintendo Games ! and I will die on this hill

[spice spire]

Pokémon talk aside (lmfao) buffs good very basado choice

[burnt latch]

[desert inlet]

buff tangela

[torn atlas]

Sin good when

[spice spire]

Yeah but we have rules we have to follow unfortunately I do not care about the morality of it

[vapid sierra]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[atomic rune]

Yes I wouldn't do that in here I know the legality of it

[slim hamlet]

now

trust

[spice spire]

On the personal level

I sound so fucking mean reading it back

[balmy condor]

repin

for the notification

cause sims

[atomic rune]

dads back

[royal lantern]

you always do

[spice spire]

Do I actually?

[final star]

[spice spire]

I really don’t mean to

[bronze pike]

togo team right now, working on retrainign my alolan raichu to replace pops

even tho pops was pretty based

[spice spire]

I think mine is Fuecoco (max form, idr the name) clodsire Gysrados ablolive or whatever dragon it’s and the electric bird

[atomic rune]

Is solosis in this gen

[bronze pike]

Not yet

[burnt latch]

URSALUNA

[atomic rune]

Madge

[burnt latch]

I LOVE HER

[bronze pike]

Shiny from Pokémon go

Redge

[royal lantern]

Clodsire

[atomic rune]

Game just isnt good unfortunately if Solosis isn't a choice

[normal mist]

I love it i tuned into assassination channel to check pokemon stuff

[bronze pike]

The seagull I liked but not enough to replace pops

[normal mist]

some things never change

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/the-goat-black-guy-gif-17915341

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/clodsire-pokemon-cute-gif-1957822124122959203

[bronze pike]

Clodsire is extremely based

Friendshaped

[errant swallow]

Oh boy

Raidbots updated yet in latest?

[atomic rune]

Theres a pinned

[final star]

won't be until tuesday

when it's live

[spice spire]

Dude is kind of nutso too.
Have the trait where water attacks don’t effect him so outside of grass, I can run rampant

[burnt latch]

[bronze pike]

its fun to see a clodsire in competative

means my opp is based

[desert inlet]

Get fucking Flower Tricked kid

[errant swallow]

Thanks

[desert inlet]

[atomic rune]

👍

[bronze pike]

Not meta by a long shot

[spice spire]

I hope all the homies are having a fine Friday evening though

[bronze pike]

But fren from sword era

[humble ginkgo]

IS SIN BIS NOW?????????

[bronze pike]

Glad I was able to play with him on second play through

[spice spire]

Check pins nerd

[gilded oasis]

Ya 5% bis-er we are fixed

[humble ginkgo]

pins r for nerds

[spice spire]

Yeah literally read my statement

Check pins nerd

[slim hamlet]

Next week we will definitely be invited to keys without getting kicked for being sin spec

[spice spire]

[slim hamlet]

trust me dude

gonna be hype holy

[errant swallow]

Hi

[gilded oasis]

Ya that's why you're getting kicked out

[slim hamlet]

hey

[spice spire]

Hi

[slim hamlet]

why flame

[spice spire]

Why not

Hating is free

[slim hamlet]

True

[gilded oasis]

[slim hamlet]

loving is too

I love you dog

[bronze pike]

Hi

[spice spire]

I’ve grown rather fond of you as well

[slim hedge]

Don't worry guys, Realz said logs aren't involved in tuning, so just wait another few tiers and you might get some good tuning

[slim hamlet]

[slim hamlet]

10.2 rework is our tuning

We will be fire mages 2.0

Gonna be sick m8

[gilded oasis]

[slim hedge]

Ah, like the ret one? where it was good for a few weeks then dogshit

[slim hamlet]

Without week 1 heroic raid nerfs this time

[spice spire]

Copium overdose

[burnt latch]

Ofc they are. These are my GOATS 🐐

[spice spire]

Holy

[slim hamlet]

Yea besides not 100000 people will reroll to the spec

so we can sandbag it start of tier

so easy

[bronze pike]

Lmao

Kek even

Ret

bad

[royal lantern]

where do they get all that copium from

i thought we decimated the worlds reserves during 10.0 lol

[slim hamlet]

Ret worst spec in the game confirmed

[bronze pike]

Can confirm without bias

[slim hedge]

If you think its fairing much better than rogue then you're definitely mistaken. Both are subject to shit tuning

[bronze pike]

Ret deadge

[slim hamlet]

There is multiple cellars worth in here

Stockpiled since start of wow

[bronze pike]

Bro brooooo I love my rogue homies but

Ret>rogue

Like there’s no question

[slim hamlet]

Ret>outlaw + sin

Sure

[burnt latch]

Rets the better spec, it doesnt do more damage though

[vapid sierra]

bro did sin get buffed by 5%

[slim hamlet]

Yea

[slim hedge]

And multple warlock specs shit all over all of them

[slim hamlet]

we meta now

[vapid sierra]

did fuu get updated?

[slim hedge]

who would have thought

[slim hamlet]

Whispyr did pins

[spice spire]

No but pins are

[midnight mist]

outlaw is still better dont swap

[vapid sierra]

some guy in my guild told me about the buiffs

[midnight mist]

he lying

[vapid sierra]

too late brother all shit crit vers crafted LOL

[midnight mist]

dont listen to the propaganda

[spice spire]

Are we going to provide something of value (or remotely positive, even if it’s off topic) or are we just gonna be a Debbie downer the entire time

[midnight mist]

nice

[vapid sierra]

is raidbots not updated?

i crafted two rings and a 447 mh

[slim hamlet]

Time to recraft crit mastery m8

[vapid sierra]

working on engi helm and neck next

[slim hedge]

I mean, sure. 5% will 100% fix it and you won't be complaining for more soon anyways

[midnight mist]

dont try to convert my disciples

[slim hedge]

😛

[bronze pike]

ya but no

[slim hamlet]

We need people

[bronze pike]

ret damage is strong in prog

cause instruments and perma wings

[vapid sierra]

i still love sin ❤️ just waiting for it to actually be single target focused

[slim hamlet]

We have a strong roster of 5-6 people

[spice spire]

This is a video game.
People complain, big shock.
I am not of the people who do

[burnt latch]

So is rogue

[slim hamlet]

huh

It isn't single target focused now?

[vapid sierra]

single target focused in terms of it doing more st than the other rogue specs

it is

[slim hamlet]

Yea

[vapid sierra]

but it isnt tuned for it

[slim hamlet]

10.2

surely

[vapid sierra]

yeah exactly

[slim hamlet]

[spice spire]

Won’t until Tuesday

[vapid sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[vapid sierra]

daily/nightly?

[slim hamlet]

honestly

good size

[bronze pike]

i can fix sin

if given the chance

[spice spire]

Latest on Tuesday

Changes don’t go in until implemented

[burnt latch]

Some people wont be happy till their class is top of a chart on a 3rd party website

[slim hamlet]

same energy as "i can fix him" about a multiple felony sociopath

[spice spire]

Could get additional 5% tomorrow and have to redo it all

[bronze pike]

real and true

[midnight mist]

and you cant sim the autto attack thingy with overrides, this one will have to wait until reset

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/invisible-food-no-food-no-food-cooking-cooking-invisible-food-gif-26221963

[vapid sierra]

im confused

[royal lantern]

yellow names show up->even more nonsense then ussual

@midnight mist take them back to the contaiment cell

[vapid sierra]

is it buffed now

[slim hamlet]

Can't tell hm what to do

[vapid sierra]

or this tuesday

[spice spire]

Buff on reset

[slim hamlet]

next week

[vapid sierra]

ight

[slim hamlet]

wednesday if u good at the game

yea

[vapid sierra]

i thought hte buff passed and i was sleeping under a rock

[spice spire]

Nah

[midnight mist]

@vapid sierra heard that ? go back to the better channel

[vapid sierra]

next week we gonna be progging echo

outlaw>>>>>>>>>>>>sin on echo

free bf cleave

[royal lantern]

huh

[spice spire]

Krill issue

[royal lantern]

what cleave

[vapid sierra]

bf?

then sark outlaw easier to flow with

[spice spire]

Think he means adds at the end

[royal lantern]

no, cleave what?

[slim hamlet]

Sark logs lookin pretty crisp

[royal lantern]

oh yeha, the giga important adds that dont die in 3seconds by default anyway

[vapid sierra]

^^

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

i forgot

[midnight mist]

ok p2 cleave tho

[spice spire]

So you gotta follow the logic here

[bronze pike]

tyrant mods wont let me cook

[spice spire]

They’re just now progging echoes (it’s probably not dying asap)

I’m also progging echoes next week

[bronze pike]

so we can expell the doomers with my great hope inspireing buffs

[royal lantern]

you mean where the boss goes immune halfway?

or the based cleave, your teammates?

[spice spire]

And I’ll probably have the same issue

Ct times boys

[slim hamlet]

My guild has been blasting echo

[midnight mist]

ok not so muych during progress tho

anyway

[grim tangle]

same

[spice spire]

[slim hamlet]

Better without me

rough

[vapid sierra]

i started a war with my conversion

[midnight mist]

outlaw is better because sword

sin no sword

so

[spice spire]

?

[slim hamlet]

Being sword class and still using a dagger

bunch of weirdos

[vapid sierra]

zac this shows our maturity

[royal lantern]

swords are so good that outlaw is losing dps for using 2

[vapid sierra]

no

we use double crawg

[midnight mist]

yes Im very mature ty

[spice spire]

They don’t this tier

[slim hamlet]

wack

[vapid sierra]

we're literally yoda or smth

[midnight mist]

I do

[slim hamlet]

Having to farm the dungeon 200 times for 1 and then do it over again

[midnight mist]

look im using this juicy dagger

[vapid sierra]

i still havent got one

its a 1.5% gain over my 441 dagge rrn

a 441 crawgh

[spice spire]

Sark parse check

[midnight mist]

yes of course

[spice spire]

A king

[slim hamlet]

💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀

[midnight mist]

[vapid sierra]

this is the guy responsible for our apl? 💀 💀💀💀💀

[midnight mist]

💀

yes

[slim hamlet]

It's fucked

Come join sin

[vapid sierra]

i did all tier

[spice spire]

I’ve seen Zac play sin

[vapid sierra]

all my logs are sin apart sark and assault

[spice spire]

Nobody wants that

[slim hamlet]

oof

[midnight mist]

wtf quake

[spice spire]

Man thinks he can mutilate 5 times in a row and have energy

[bronze pike]

i wnat sin to have swords

[vapid sierra]

they need to make sin haste/mastery and remove gcd cap with lust/pi

make it external spec

[slim hamlet]

You just gonna take that hit @vapid sierra ?

[bronze pike]

cause outlaw gives me braindamage

[vapid sierra]

ill play it then

[vapid sierra]

what hit

[spice spire]

Watch me play outlaw and you’ll actually block me

[bronze pike]

so i can where my xymog red swords

[slim hamlet]

@vapid sierra

[vapid sierra]

wants what

a sin on assault and sark?

i know

[midnight mist]

I cna play sin tho its easy you just have to maintain the dots things

dont test me

[slim hamlet]

Yea

Easiest spec fr

[spice spire]

I’d honestly like to see that

[midnight mist]

well

[vapid sierra]

fill a raid full of outlaw rogue and sin rogues

[midnight mist]

cba man I have no keybinds for it

[vapid sierra]

outlaw clear quicker

[slim hamlet]

Mans about to exsang his deathmark

[midnight mist]

I mean

[slim hamlet]

more dmg

for 6 seconds

[midnight mist]

you know that if at some point sin is very ahead

I will have to prog as sin

[slim hamlet]

So

[spice spire]

Nah dog stay on your shtick

[slim hamlet]

you will never prog as sin

unlucky

[spice spire]

Especially if you hate sin for whatever reason

[midnight mist]

well for now it looks like it ye

[spice spire]

I don’t think you do

[slim hamlet]

He secretly logs on at night

[midnight mist]

listen for now I have been lucky and outlaw is always kinda ok

[slim hamlet]

on an alt on another battlenet account

[spice spire]

But also a 161 is a purple on assault so class is mega bad 💀

[spice spire]

9.2

[vapid sierra]

im gonna play kir on mag if i do shit i have to play sub since sub > ho

[slim hamlet]

Assault logs 💀

[vapid sierra]

zac give me power

[midnight mist]

r2 neltharion was a blue parse for me btw

just saying

we are in the same boat

[spice spire]

[midnight mist]

it was even a r2 overall rogue

so L

[spice spire]

Ruff

[midnight mist]

here power

[spice spire]

I should ask daps his thoughts

[midnight mist]

on what

[vapid sierra]

ty ty

[midnight mist]

this?

[spice spire]

On his future muting by you

Yeah

That too

[vapid sierra]

if anyone asks where i went zac poached me

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/965830301093888042.gif?size=56&quality=lossless

[midnight mist]

are you streaming rn

btw

[bronze pike]

i cant wait till slice and dice to be removed from outlaw

so people can go from "the new roll is bad!!!" to "the new roll is sooo good!"

[royal lantern]

and another grand melee rework

[vapid sierra]

about to

[midnight mist]

(its actually not a question btw, im just asking you to turn on your stream now)

[bronze pike]

grandmelee is goodge now 💃

unironically

[spice spire]

[vapid sierra]

i did

zac trying to be dominant

[midnight mist]

[winged veldt]

They have this buff built into simc yet?

[midnight mist]

it wont be until reset

[burnt juniper]

would it be alright to make a macro combining deathmark+shiv+tea? or is that troll

[balmy condor]

kinda troll

[bold temple]

DM and shiv are on gcd tho

[balmy condor]

yeah

would have to cast sequence it

but still troll

[burnt juniper]

ok cool!

[misty kernel]

assa rogues buff pog in M+ build from 90k ST to 92k ST POGGG

https://tenor.com/view/dace-gif-25608746

[atomic star]

so are we broken in single target now

because it feels like we will be

we were already pretty up there in raw boss damage

[gilded oasis]

im broken on the inside

[subtle tundra]

thats not what a 5% buff does

[subtle tundra]

lets go dude, buffed my poe build aswell

[misty kernel]

KEKW

5% of 0 = 0

EZ

ulda 26 did 250k add 5% what 262K

its whatever buff i swear ST is too bad in M+ build

[subtle tundra]

maybe you do the same dps as the bear now?

[misty kernel]

bro assa is giga on AOE at m+ but ST is 90-93k in M+ build

and if u play ST u lose to tank in overall and not that giga ST

[atomic star]

i hate having a good tank in m+

always gotta sweat to not be #4

[subtle tundra]

revert assa ong

[gilded oasis]

just dont be #5

[misty kernel]

add a 5% to that its ltrly whatever

am losing all my overall coz ST

look last boss ST 144k vs 119K

any st u lose 5-6M behind any other class

[gilded oasis]

damn that evoker stinks

[misty kernel]

KEKW

[earnest remnant]

not saying assa st doesent suck, but comparing the dmg on last boss with haste amp is ehm

like looking at sark logs