assassination

[balmy condor]

When they end up wiping to the boss anyway and the group disbands insta

[slim hamlet]

Classic NA pug experience

[dawn haven]

Bro they gotta make their M+ parse look good.

[balmy condor]

Wouldn’t even help their parse cause heal reduction doesn’t count as damage

[slim hamlet]

And just like that they stopped using wound for sanguine

Truly a problem solver Whispyr

[dawn haven]

[balmy condor]

My details bar!

My dick is small so I have to compensate by dragging my details window to half my screens width so the bar looks bigger

[slim hamlet]

"half"??​

[dawn haven]

I like it when all I can see is yellow.

[slim hamlet]

I have mine full screen with 50% opacity to see the game

[dawn haven]

50% opacity? Weak. A true gamer ethusiast would have 90% opacity.

[slim hamlet]

Nono

[dawn haven]

Only by seeing the yellow go lower can you truly tell that you're in a mechanic.

[slim hamlet]

That's only on my fotm alts

U usually don't need to see the screen anyways then

[dawn haven]

Bro being an aug evoker must be like the cuck of WoW

"fuck look at that warlock's damage...IT'S ALL MINE."

[slim hamlet]

Augvoker is the only spec I actually have 0 interest in ever trying

All other specs have had something that was interesting

Oh and bm hunter

[dawn haven]

It's genius design. Have the augvoker be at the bottom of the meters so they are always trying to min-max while never looking at damage meters. Meanwhile the DK's and warlocks at the top of the meter are screaming about doing 240k dps.

While 80k of it is going to the evoker

[slim hamlet]

Dks and locks only use warcraftlogs with "augmented dmg" filter turned on

So based

[frozen iris]

Anybody have any idea what mrd stands for?

Some tank kept saying it

[slim hamlet]

No idea

[dawn haven]

Maybe he was saying mrt?

Like for the route?

[frozen iris]

Maybe? Not sure

[craggy haven]

ah gotcha

[glacial lantern]

Honestly, i think aug evoker was a mistake

I get that they're trying to be original, but i would have rather seen another dps spec

The problems of augmentation are undeniable

[broken ibex]

Should have been another tank spec. Transform into those 4 legged sword and board dragons in classic wow. Ez - every Classic Andy would come back to retail to play that.

[weak plover]

Give rog tank spec.

[glacial lantern]

Shaman could unironically have a tank spec

In fact it's been suggested since forever

[gusty mirage]

Enhance used to be set up for threat acquisition too

Earth shock used to generate a shit ton of threat

Like tank levels of threat

[glacial lantern]

the name could be Earthwarden or something like that

[fleet whale]

in classic wow enhance can tank most dungeons

[balmy condor]

3 leather tank specs and people want a fourth

[craggy haven]

oooor do the gw2 things and let rogues heal with void magics or something

[silk bane]

u thinking what im thinking? i got u bud

make Ol a tank

a plate tank

then rename it to fury

then delete both OL and fury

then buff augvoker and mage

[dawn haven]

buff augvoker

[balmy condor]

Based

[weak plover]

I was thinking tank based around using tricks, smoke bomb, decoys etc. Make their spender something to do with immobilization.

[glacial lantern]

And then nerf assassination too

[silk bane]

why?

just delete it with sub

so I can go back to climbing tft

the true game

for real gamers

[balmy condor]

Ravenholdt maplestory guild

[silk bane]

we should hold RH maplestory nights with the boys!

id skip raid for it

[glacial lantern]

You know what? Those ideas sound pretty good

In fact, why stop there? Just delete rogue

[balmy condor]

Bosses in maple are 6 man

Easy clap

[deft flicker]

This might sound greedy, but

• the class itself becomes tankier by virtue of having a tank spec (some of its stuff goes to class tree)
• you get natural access to tank trinkets/other gear which can be useful
• you have a high chance to yoink the tank lure bag from LFD when it appears (gold + runes + stuff)
• free pass for any open-world zone because you’re made to live through that shit

I don’t think it will happen though

[balmy condor]

So….

• not needed for rogues outside of niche fights
• not useful
• pog 100 gold
• not relevant

[silk bane]

idk if anyone plays tft here but i just hit ahri 3

POG

[deft flicker]

More like 1000 gold

[balmy condor]

I mean still kinda whatever

[deft flicker]

…yeah. I guess

[balmy condor]

Having a tank spec so you can get LFR queue bonuses

[glacial lantern]

The problem is, i just don't see a rogue tank being possible

[balmy condor]

Might be the worst fucking reason for a spec to exist

[deft flicker]

Faster queues as well

[balmy condor]

Yeah but like

If that’s the argument to make a spec

That’s already weird

[deft flicker]

And you can play m+ as a slot that isn’t expected to do well with externals

[balmy condor]

Also a really weird reason

“If you want to play dps just play a dps and then swap to tank because you’re not supposed to play dps”

Is some backwards ass argument

[deft flicker]

Most of the stuff that rogue tank could do IMO was taken by brew and veng. Also having access to threat drop and threat redirect as a tank seems very troll

[silk bane]

honestly, I think it makes more sense to make Ol a support spec with that reducing the group cdr thingy they were cooking. like u go in there and brrrrrr 30 second infernal pog

ur job is to reduce all class cds + control mobs

[balmy condor]

You’re setting the bar so incredibly low on the “makes more sense” part of that

[glacial lantern]

A purely dodge tank, but take 1 hit and you're dead.

Imagine that, the best tank, but if you take a single hit you're dead, so you can have the thrill of playing russian roulette with your group

The best tank until it isn't

[deft flicker]

Nah, not in that sense. You’re not as forced to play another class because you can fill a different role with this class

[silk bane]

im setting the bar so low u gotta send james camron scuba diving to raise that shit up

[balmy condor]

Aight I regret opening discord tonight I think that’s enough

My eyes hurt reading this chat

[deft flicker]

But I don’t think any of our specs change their role in foreseeable future

[silk bane]

nope

[deft flicker]

Maybe if they decide to just add more specs though

Which is also quite unlikely to happen

[silk bane]

theyre probably gonna add more support specs in, in the future. rfom the looks of it augs gonna be a 100% requirement for the foreseeable future until they introduce more

who knows maybe we get a rogue support idk its too late for me to start cooking

i go back to tft now

[glacial lantern]

I think it's pretty much always a bad idea to take a spec and change it to something else, i think if you have another completely different idea, you should add another spec.

For example, i don't dislike current survival, but i don't think they should have straight up replaced the other version

They should have just made a 4th spec, since they took the time to make a new one anyway

[deft flicker]

That can work, we used to have stuff like Expose Armor and Hemorrhage, and even now there are “support” nodes on our class tree (which we don’t take but a support spec could be interested in)

[nova flax]

Im pretty sure they said they wont be changing current specs to support specs

[deft flicker]

I don’t think they knew how to add specs to already existing classes until recently

[nova flax]

Which i think they should revisit. They could make some banger support specs out of existing specs rn

[silk bane]

i know, theyll probably just add more support specs, not change the existing ones

[nova flax]

Arcane mage disc priest. Sin or outlaw rogue.

[nova flax]

I hope they add a bard class

Probably wont. But id NUT

[deft flicker]

Imagine waking up one day, logging into WoW and your main is now a support spec

[nova flax]

I’d love it

[grand trail]

That what you get for playing wrong spec tho

[nova flax]

I’m also of the mindset that one-tricking a spec on an all-DPS class is giga weirdge

Which I know is the minority

[deft flicker]

Getting punished for loving stuff. Gotcha

[nova flax]

Wdym. That’s what playing video games is all about

The punishment

[vestal wren]

wouldn't mind it

[nova flax]

Which rogue spec would u think to make a supp spec. Outlaw or Sin

[vestal wren]

rly depends

[grand trail]

They both sux so you can just roll the dice 😂

[vestal wren]

i think it is incredibly hard

assassination has the biggest fanbase

[glacial lantern]

Neither

[grand trail]

It won't happen in rework

[glacial lantern]

Neither outlaw nor sub have what it takes to be a support spec

Doesn't make any sense either

[nova flax]

Imagine outlaw but u could RTB for other people

[glacial lantern]

Also, i frankly think augmentation was a bit of a mistake

[vestal wren]

it was the best raid spec for 4 years straight and always the beginner spec with how simple it was baseline

[grand trail]

Aug is totally fine, got legendary yesterday

[vestal wren]

so i don't think assassination mains would like it to become a support spec

[grand trail]

I'm like only evoker with leggo in my guild 😂

[nova flax]

Outlaw could be neat if they made RTB kinda work like astrologian cards from FFXIV heh

[vestal wren]

outlaw was kina dominant in m+, but now it is competing with subtlety

[nova flax]

I think outlaw would be the better option personally

If they were to make a rogue support spec

[vestal wren]

i think there is a inherent problem

because you expect to do damage, and changing it to support makes your purpose completely diffrent

[glacial lantern]

No, if they wanna make a support spec, just make a new one

If they change outlaw from dps to support, i will be pissed

[nova flax]

Wdym. Have u seen augmentation damage

[vestal wren]

you kinda need to, right?

like, i probably wouldn't mind changing any of the 3 to support

[grand trail]

Aug have no DMG

[nova flax]

You and many others

[grand trail]

Logs only showing how much he boost others

Not how much he does

[vestal wren]

but either of them has reason why you probably shouldn't

[nova flax]

Idk bro Drungess be blasting alt raid

[grand trail]

We run in this problem when two aug got corruption and cannot break shield of add in nelth

[nova flax]

LMFAO

Thats hilarious actually

[deft flicker]

Unluigi

[grand trail]

Well living flame hit for like 25{

[nova flax]

That kinda reminds me of how the nelth class calls worked on PTR

[royal lantern]

?????

aug liteatlly can do 40% of the shield with 1ability

what do you mean

[grand trail]

Idk I wasn't one breaking it

[deft flicker]

I feel like adding black powder was a mistake tbh

[nova flax]

Thats a very hot take

[grand trail]

Resulted that 2 of 3 augs forced to play devo

[royal lantern]

and bruh, the only thing that is worse then blizzard thinking that augmentation is a good idea is the absolute brainrot take from players

[nova flax]

Luckily both specs are 3 buttons

[royal lantern]

"just add more "supports" will totally solve problems!"

ye sure

will solve the Problems of you never playing dps again

[grand trail]

Most of augs are just plain noobs

[royal lantern]

[nova flax]

Eh. I dont think it’s that bad for raid honestly. It definetly creates issues for the M+ meta though

[grand trail]

As aug you are hidden in raid and nobody reaLly really knows if he plays right or wrong

[deft flicker]

Most of the playerbase is if you compare them to an average CE guild players

[vestal wren]

well yes and no

[grand trail]

They were doing tank DMG with Devo it was hilarious

[vestal wren]

black powder was initially so weak

the initial hit of CT did more damage

so if you compared sub aoe and sin aoe

[glacial lantern]

I don't think black powder was a mistake, eviscerate funnel was frankly unbalanceable

[vestal wren]

spamming BP was noticable worse

[nova flax]

They shoulda kept the first iteratiob

[vestal wren]

i don't know

[nova flax]

That locked u in place like whirling dragon punch

[vestal wren]

the spell by itself is a bit conflicting

btw. just to mention this, a lot of things about subtlety is conflicting

it is why we see pople often fight about suggestions

it is because the spec had so much change that there isn't a clear winner and there are a lot of hot takes

but to get to black powder

the problem for subtlety is that it was by design a pure single target spec

it had no aoe finisher in Legion

and a very weak one in Bfa/SL

so basically all of the power the spec had in aoe was from shuriken combo

the idea behind shuriken combo was fairly straight forward

[worn sorrel]

I think that was the better sub

[vestal wren]

because you lack aoe, you compensate with single target damage

for example

a dungeon group could this way take 2 specs that focus more on aoe or hybrid damage

and have a sub rogue that can funnel damage to one target

[worn sorrel]

but giga big pulls are back now

So that's never worth it

[vestal wren]

funnel also comes with cler trade offs

you essentially do no aoe

and again, that was by design

it is also not that big of a problem in general

funnel requires a lot of targets consistently

[worn sorrel]

how many is a lot?

[vestal wren]

and for what its worth, you usually don't want targets to survive for a long time because they will eat through your tanks defensive cds

[vestal wren]

5-6

ideally more

[deft flicker]

Probably fewer with seal fate

[vestal wren]

yes

[worn sorrel]

I really liked SL dungs in retrospective, I feel like now it's too easy to pull everything together

[vestal wren]

so idk if everyone agrees, but the above is sound to me

you have clear trade offs and clear benefits

so healthy game design

[deft flicker]

Sounds fine by me

[vestal wren]

and it worked well for 3 raid tiers

[balmy condor]

funnel is near impossible to balance is the issue

like in theory sure

sounds great

but making that happen is super rough

[vestal wren]

the problem is

if you can exploit it it becomes overwhelmingly negative in feedback

and this is what happened on zul

[balmy condor]

idk if that's the problem

I think that's just the consequence

[vestal wren]

unless this changed recently

i think we still have multiple specs with some amount of funnel

[worn sorrel]

how much is the value of funnel of now vs in SL?

[deft flicker]

Would adding a cap to shuriken combo solve the issue in your opinion??

[worn sorrel]

At least for me funnel was much more desirable in SL

[royal lantern]

you know the thing i always thought was funny about sub and zul

it got ofc removed cus it was game warping, and then they just nuked the spec

and in the next raidtier we had spriest/warlock doing the same, and absolutely nothing happend lol

[vestal wren]

it was capped

[deft flicker]

Maybe lowering the cap then

[balmy condor]

in legion with shuriken combo it warped every m+ key on tyrannical, it warped any raid fight with adds that could get pulled in

I don't think people realize just how much the sub funnel actually affected the m+ meta back then

you pulled a trash pack into every boss

EVERY boss

you would legit just drag a pack sometimes through like 3 hallways

just to give the sub rogue the funnel

it was unsustainable

[worn sorrel]

I dont think that's inherently wrong as long as sub is not the only spec that benefits from that

[balmy condor]

and you can't nerf it to stop that

because then sub is just worthless

like if that's subs thing

you have to make it strong

[vestal wren]

well thats what happened in bfa

[balmy condor]

but if its strong, it's warping the entire game

so you nerf it

but then sub sucks

so you buff it

and then it's warping again

there's no way around it

[vestal wren]

the same applies to literally any niche

execute, burst

[balmy condor]

those can be controlled way more

funnel was binary

sub didn't do shit aside from it

burst classes still do damage outside of burst

execute classes still do damage outside of execute

[vestal wren]

ironically

[balmy condor]

sub had no AoE outside of funnel

it just didn't exist

[vestal wren]

balance druid burst broke more things that sub funnel in raiding

[quiet oar]

Venthyr owl

[royal lantern]

BOOMKIN IS DEAD AFTER CONVOKE NERF

DEAD

D E A D

unplayable!!!!

[vestal wren]

but i agree

if you design a spec around funnel

you rightfully need to try to play around it

[quiet oar]

Ubplayable outside of venthyr burst

Because you Do 0 dmg

[vestal wren]

so what you are saying is quite logical

a big reason why you pulled big in Legion was not sub funnel tho

you basically tried to pull as big as possible to beat the timer

funnel just allowed you to control damage in the pulls more

[balmy condor]

having to pick between assassination lottery proccing poison bomb and praying the mobs stay in the puddle or playing sub and claiming that your funnel is giga

might have been the stupidest fucking decision rogues had to make

on the one hand, pretty okay AoE

but you're playing a slot machine

on the other hand, no aoe, but you can cope that you delete bosses if the group chains packs into the boss

fun!

if m+ wasn't a new exciting system in legion

it would've been such a catastrophic failure

the spec design in hindsight was actually horrid

[vestal wren]

you mean assassination or sub specific or in general spec design

[balmy condor]

in general

[vestal wren]

i remember talking to one of the mdi players

they had a pull strategy

that literally pulled the entire dungeon in one go

just to bring funnel into the discussion, i think any sort of aoe would be more beneficial for that

legion had some burst aoe tho

with the legendary back and trinkets like from sisters

[deft flicker]

👀

[balmy condor]

I don't think any of the rogue specs in legion had a good design.

Assassination was an rng mess, you had blood of the assassinated randomly proccing on your rupture, poison bomb randomly proccing, poisons randomly making your kingsbane skyrocket but then the next one you didn't apply a poison for 2 seconds straight so rip that cast. Then they added agonizing poison, that was a failure

Sub had DfA, which while fun and powerful, was also just objectively problematic with the animation lock and forced movement, funnel was out of control or useless. Nightblade was..... fine I guess, but it kinda had its own issues of just kinda being another engine in the sub funnel machine to keep up

Outlaw was a complete rework and hinged so hard on roll the bones at the time it wasn't even funny at that point. Just warped the entire gameplay, all the damage profiles on the top logs ended up being "oh yeh he got a 3/5 roll on the adds with a big blade flurry and just doubled my add damage, very cool"

they had their charm, and the nostalgia is definitely there for some of the stuff

people look back at 400% exsang and go "wow I miss that"

but I think it's really easy to just remember hitting exsang and seeing your damage shoot up on the meters and cackling while you burst like a madman

versus the jank that was involved in that

[vestal wren]

was exsang legion too

[balmy condor]

yeah

[vestal wren]

for what its worth i think the worse exsang time was last season bfa

[glacial lantern]

I agree actually, rogue in legion was not great, the original roll the bones was a mess

[balmy condor]

it was originally supposed to be blood sweat, where your bleeds had a chance to spread to nearby targets, and then there was like weird issues getting it to work I think

like just the tech wasn't there or something

[glacial lantern]

ALthough outlaw was still my favorite spec, but it's like saying i like outlaw more becuase it's a 6/10 instead of a 4

[balmy condor]

and then it got scrapped and turned into exsang very late in beta

went live at 400%

got nerfed to 200%

then got nerfed to 150%

[vestal wren]

initial exsang was wild ye

i remember people blowing up bosses with it

[balmy condor]

yeh it was silly

and just compounded on blood of the assassinated

like your rupture procced

did 100% more damage

you pressed exsang

[royal lantern]

rember 70% of m+ bosses beeing some form of "have a immunity or just straight up die" as dungeon boss "mechanics"?

[balmy condor]

and the mob just died

[silk bane]

like you say that, but what im reading is just a gameplay with very highs highs and very low lows

does that actually mean its a bad design?

not sure you can say that

[vestal wren]

all 3 specs had high rng

subtlety dfa crits

assassinaiton pb procs esp. during execute

outlaw rtb

[burnt latch]

Rng

[silk bane]

yes, but the high rng brings with it, high highs, and ofcourse low lows, like sure, u can make the argument that its not heatlhy for the longterm

but it definately has its fun moments

[vestal wren]

subtlety was fine-ish because of gutripper and ma

[balmy condor]

if you're playing poker you also have very high highs and very low lows. You could get a pair of aces or a royal straight, or you could bust on nothing

and that's fine for poker

[burnt latch]

And poker is insanely fun tbf

[royal lantern]

still in the game, wdym

just called beacon now

[balmy condor]

but I don't think that a card game should be comparable to an mmo

like players should have an expression of their gameplay at least to some extent

[silk bane]

thats fair, im just pointing out it doesnt show a design failure

[vestal wren]

it is the direct conseqtence of hard hitting spells

[silk bane]

it just shows a different design

[balmy condor]

not "oh wow pair of aces pooooooooooooggggggggggggg time to do damage!"

[burnt latch]

I love cards

[deft flicker]

Darkmoon deck moment

[balmy condor]

although given how popular gacha games are in post-covid maybe that is what people want

lootbox your proc rng before every pull

I pulled a 5 star sophic!!!!!!!!!!!

[silk bane]

what IS a design failure, is the fact that the litearl core foundation of the game is ' the more resources, the more damage you do', and then somehow if u give sub more resources (mobs to funnel off of) it loses damage. thats a design failure. the other ones just a design choice

[royal lantern]

i love you

[vestal wren]

you can buy another chance of a sophic proc for as little as 2$

[balmy condor]

whats bro talking about

sub gains damage

[silk bane]

the fact that funnel is a dps loss compared to gb right now

[balmy condor]

it just doesn't funnel

[burnt latch]

[balmy condor]

I mean okay

Idk what the issue is with that

[burnt latch]

Evisc hit bad booo

Need to juice it up

[silk bane]

the issue is that, by increasing resources, you reduce the specs damage

its unintuitive and unfun

[balmy condor]

you're not losing damage funneling, it's just that the prio damage you're imagining isn't the 2 button you're expecting it to be

"I can't swap storm->powder for storm->evisc"

is the complaint

[silk bane]

no no no, storm evis is weaker than continuing to do single target rotation and ignoring all mobs

[balmy condor]

correct

[silk bane]

prio target that is

[balmy condor]

so the complaint is that you can't swap storm->powder for storm->evisc

you have to swap storm->powder for single target rotation

[silk bane]

not sure if im following that.

[balmy condor]

highest prio damage

is single targeting the mob

yes?

[silk bane]

highest prio damge is to continue gb yes

[balmy condor]

okay

[sharp falcon]

ah yes assassin chat, where i go to get my dose of subtlety funnel discussion

[balmy condor]

and you want it to be storm->evisc

[silk bane]

yes, it makes sense to me, i have more cp generation, i expect more damage

[burnt latch]

With a side of poker

[vestal wren]

gb being better in funnel is just a consequence of how strong builders are

[balmy condor]

unlucky I guess

but you're still able to prio

single targeting the mob

is like

how most specs funnel

that's how assa works too

for max prio you would mutilate until like 5 or 6 targets I think atm

[silk bane]

yes ofcourse, its just unintuitive that increasing your resource income works against you. thats all im saying

[balmy condor]

is that a failing?

[deft flicker]

Subtlety makes for a better assassin. At least that’s what was learned yesterday

[vestal wren]

you can blam me, i went too much into detail trying to explain sth

and the discussion got sidetracked a bit

[deft flicker]

Not quite sure where the discussion happened though

[burnt latch]

Think what he is getting at is that some people would want the finisher based spec to deal increased single target damage by slamming the single target finisher every other global

[silk bane]

but yea, i go back to tft, i was enjoying the leigon talk u guys were having, i didnt play back then so its always cool to see what was going on then

[burnt latch]

Which I can agree wit

[balmy condor]

the point here is that yeah, sure, storm->evisc could be a thing, but it's not necessarily a bad thing for your max prio to be full single targeting a mob

[royal lantern]

#assassination in a nutshell

[vestal wren]

to be fair for me it was just context to explain the ideas behind BP

[balmy condor]

I'd much rather discuss sub funnel in here than whatever the fuck they were talking about earlier

[silk bane]

its not just that, its every spec in the game, u bring 2 more targets, destro dots them up, gets more shards, gets more chaos bolts, gets more prio target, spriest, generate insanity off of extra ombs, get prio, feral, get more bite procs, boomie, get more astral power dump them, the list goes on

[deft flicker]

To me funnel was always “you get to deal more single-target damage than going full single-target because you have some other targets nearby”

[balmy condor]

I could feel my brain melting trying to follow the logic

at least this is an actual discussion with thought out ideas

I never have a problem with that

[royal lantern]

Sounds like as if CP generation and energy is too high, causing "i get full cp in 1global and can do a st finisher" to be a way lower value

[balmy condor]

sub has that though, it's just you get more cp up to 6 which feeds more powder damage and the 2 button aoe

it's not the funnel spec anymore

[vestal wren]

gb beeing better is just a consequence of power balance between builder/finisher

[burnt latch]

Well not every spec. Havoc doesnt gain extra resources afaik, fury doesnt, outlaw doesnt, some specs gain VERY minor stuff like fdk

[silk bane]

I know, I asked for that too, but people want outlaw playstyle for sub for some reason

[balmy condor]

sin doesn't have that going on either cause you still mut forever

[burnt latch]

So its not like subs the only spec itg that works like this

[vestal wren]

sin has funnel

[royal lantern]

and for assa aswell 🙂

[balmy condor]

"funnel"

[vestal wren]

you can maintain a lower amount of bleeds to fuel single targte output

[silk bane]

youre right, but the specs that do generate extra resources, get more value, for example, fury also gets more single target during their ravager, if there are more mobs around, since its just more rage to dump.

[balmy condor]

I don't think the funnel on assa is that impressive considering you're already at like 58-60 apm on one target

it's a bit slower in aoe talents

but like

you're not really getting that huge of a boost

and fok->envenom is a joke in the grand scheme of funnel

it's better at some point because fok gets enough targets to sorta get there on the 2 buttons spam

but like

it's pretty pathetic all things considerred

[burnt latch]

Uncap IC and Scent of Blood and watch the funnel

[royal lantern]

wait, you talk about assa "funnel" or assa in general rn

[burnt latch]

”Give me 20 mobs tank”

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

assa funnel

[frozen iris]

And I want them stacked nicely

[silk bane]

herbie the chef. bringer of the legendary sin funnel

stonks

[burnt latch]

[balmy condor]

but like it's the same thing as legion sub where like you have funnel, but you don't have aoe. Except you can get aoe through like poison bomb/CT spamming, and you just forgo the entire funneling to begin with

in m+ assa hardly ever funnels even in huge pulls

deathmark handles all the prio on its own

[vestal wren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3NkmvhoMJY9eQknM2Uodf7/simc

[silk bane]

Ngl i was like put shuriken combo on a choice node with BP. Gladge. wouldnt even be that bad since evis is weak anyways

[vestal wren]

it isn't the best in terms of representation

[burnt latch]

Perma pressing fok envenom during tree boss AA in S1 and doing top ST + 250k dps was a fun time

Untill the fire mage combusted

Rip lil trees

[vestal wren]

but 22% higher st in prio

[balmy condor]

sick assa funnel spec now that sub is DEAD and UNPLAYABLE

[vestal wren]

also just to calm down sub players, funneling is a gain

36% over pressing BP

[silk bane]

iirc, funnel was a gain with M+ talents but a loss with full ST talents right?

[vestal wren]

well the reason why we say funnel is bad

is that the sub prio sim

[balmy condor]

doesn't that.... make sense?

[vestal wren]

is still below the single targte output

the single tagrte would b 135k

the funnel is 132k

so 3k lower than just doing single targte

same goes for assassination, just more extreme

[silk bane]

it does, but even in M+ talents it was a very very small gain,like 2-3%

[vestal wren]

you just need to re-think funneling

[balmy condor]

isn't this just

whatever

I feel like this is just proving my point

I'm confused idk

[vestal wren]

what i trying to say is

you have more dynamic of how you spread damage

funnel might not be better than pure st

but doing 221k dps and only trading off 3k single target

[silk bane]

honestly im not a big funnel advocate, didnt play when as whispyr mentioned, it warped the game around it, im just playing devils advocate mostly, trying to argue in its favor

[vestal wren]

vs. doing 135k but no damage to additional targets (not entirely correct because secret will auto cleave)

still makes this in favor of funneling

[silk bane]

oh 100%, 3k is quite litearlly nothign. u hit the boss for 3 minutes, and the difference is negligable.

[vestal wren]

the trade off for assassination does not rly seem worth it tho

or maybe it is sometimes

rather niche i assume

(both the st gain and the aoe loss is lower)

[silk bane]

yeah sin is a bit unfortunate, doesnt seem to be able to find a purpose there

welp, looking forward to 10.2 I guess

[vestal wren]

for what its worth

it also shows how sub had a more clear trade off with aoe

assassinations trade offs are in talents

while subtlety is in choice of abilities

[vestal wren]

possible, what was the point?
(i am not entirely sure if the point was that funnel is not worth it or that funnel provides less beenfits than you would assume)

[silk bane]

couldnt agree more, sub definately won in their tree design in terms of aoe/st trade offs

if u want u cna really heavily invest into aoe with double rupture, bp, and tornado or u cna decide if u want more st. but even if you want full ST you wil still have some minor aoe in ST

very very good job on that design

[grand trail]

Yeah sub is good don't break it realz

[clever sapphire]

now all thats left is making rotten viable in M+

[glacial lantern]

Sub is good, but i think the best gameplay is outlaw, at least the potential

I really like the idea of outlaw, but it needs some refinement here and there

[blissful forge]

question is, how do you sim that without being funnel all the time? 🤔

since prio=1 wouldnt work there no?

[vestal wren]

priority_rotation=1

it works for sub and sin, even tho might not be as optimized on sin

[blissful forge]

i know but what are you simming? cause 1t 5min pw is not possible

since it would be just st rota

lemme rephrase

[vestal wren]

i did sim 5 targets 5 minutes

to have a long enough time to see the impact of "funnel" vs. regular

and you can just compare it to a patchwerk sim

to have pure st

[blissful forge]

What settings are you using to sim prio damage so you can see an actual diff between funnel and normal st?

oh ok

you answered it already, ty

[frozen iris]

What do you guys mean by funnel?

[slim hamlet]

do more dmg to one target because more targets are present

[cerulean nest]

how troll is it to hold CDs and do first bomb in p2

[spice spire]

An example of this is sub.
You can shuriken storm black powder for aoe, or you can “funnel” the CP onto eviscerate to pump damage on a priority target

[frozen iris]

So basically just focusing.

I guess it’s a littler different than focusing.

[quiet oar]

You gain Resources out of more enemies to focus the resources on one Target

[balmy condor]

Don’t let the sub rogues see this you’ll get a 25 page report about how you want to single target the target with gloomblade instead of funneling with storm

[spice spire]

Ur literally a sub rogue

[cobalt hemlock]

whispyr is sub rogue D:

[balmy condor]

You see my logs this tier? Squeaky clean

[gusty mirage]

he's too busy wiping to echo of neltharion to log watch this tier

[balmy condor]

Making fun of the homie for having an inspirational glow up

[spice spire]

Nah I missed zskarn kill; we start mag this week.
Unluigi

[gusty mirage]

making fun of?

his previous ceiling was wiping to amalgamation

the man's transcended

[spice spire]

Nah we cleared amalg

That also cleared my mental tho

[gusty mirage]

I've never been so happy for another human being hopping guilds in my life

[spice spire]

Actually wiping to Zaqali over ten times cleared my mental

It went from 1>0 quick

Wiping on Zaqali just a few times was infinitely more mentally damage than 100 rashok wipes

[gusty mirage]

100 rashok wipes isn't even bad bro

kittenz wiped to rashok 214 times lmao

[quiet oar]

[gusty mirage]

then joined my guild and got spoonfed CE

wild

[deft flicker]

Focusing feels more like “I can deal considerable damage to multiple targets but this particular one receives more than the rest”

[spice spire]

Kittenz a real one tho

I’m a hard jabroni

[deft flicker]

While funnel is “I can deal more damage to this particular target than I would be able to if we were 1v1 because there are these other targets nearby”

[vapid sierra]

how stupid would iot be to craft a 447 dagger

[gusty mirage]

why would it be stupid

your only better options are a 450 sark dagger

and a 441 megadungeon dagger in OH

you get 1 shot at the nick of time per week

and until you kill sark you have 0 shots at the 450 dagger

seems like a nobrainer if you have nothing else to spend a spark on, which realistically you shouldn't have much left

[shy heron]

⛔ weewooweewoo Alarm Tripped! weewooweewoo ⛔

[quiet oar]

Did somebody say Funnel?

[spice surge]

Arguing about funnel and complaining about not getting invites is all #subtlety is about these days

[vestal wren]

don't summon the devil

[slim hamlet]

THEY complain about invites???

[vestal wren]

we had the topic of m+ balance a lot

[deft flicker]

Yes

[vestal wren]

esp. with all the graphs we saw highlighting evoker or the current meta

[slim hamlet]

[deft flicker]

“Shut up and be fucking grateful some have it even harder” is an awful take

[slim hamlet]

Yes

but you don't complain as a top 5 spec

or do

[deft flicker]

You complain if you’re not getting invited into keys you know are timeable with you as part of the group

[slim hamlet]

Shit

so every single spec should complain

hells yea

[vestal wren]

it is just a consequenc of a shift in the status quo

now nobody is invited that is not exodia

so everyon has it equally bad i guess

[slim hamlet]

Apparently the last nerfs already did make it more playable

you can see the other colors on the famous graph now

[vestal wren]

how important this is just diffrers between specs

[slim hamlet]

I guess if u are used to being playable but suddenly isn't it seems worse yea

[vestal wren]

probably yes

i know a lot of the push groups that purely formed because of avoker

lost a lot of their motivation to push

[slim hamlet]

I honestly don't think I have played with an evoker in my last 15 keys on my new shaman

[vestal wren]

so interested to see how things develop now

[slim hamlet]

Did they all just leave, or they only join +25 and up?

[vestal wren]

thats my question

[slim hamlet]

Like it's not like i specifically didn't invite any, I just haven't seen one

All I care about in my groups is BL, CR, enough kicks and rio

[vestal wren]

if you say we start seeing diffrent stups, is it bcause popl who played meta stoppd pushing

you need to remember that you will now need more effort to push a key

[slim hamlet]

Yea maybe

[vestal wren]

even if you only get the same result

!affix could be relevant too

[prisma monolith]

Affixes: Fortified, Afflicted, Raging

[slim hamlet]

I just saw the graph 2 days ago I think, and you could actually see different colors

[deft flicker]

People who played meta started the “zero to hero challenge” for extra views on their streams

It was all planned

[runic hinge]

affix is definitely relevant, time to play AP this week

[slim hamlet]

Specifically hpal for more priests on the healer one was changed a good amount

AP?

[runic hinge]

Artierial Percision

[deft flicker]

Priest on healer frees up a DPS slot to include both a good PI target and maybe someone else

[slim hamlet]

holy copium

[runic hinge]

xd

[slim hamlet]

Yea

I still think the biggest possible change in next tgp is priest > hpal and enhance/ele for spriest spot

[deft flicker]

Probably enhance

[slim hamlet]

Yea

maybe just MAYBE even fire mage could be changed for sub then

[deft flicker]

Also idk vengeance as tank??

[slim hamlet]

idk

Bear bearly (ahah) got changed

[deft flicker]

5% boost to pretty much all damage

[vestal wren]

what i mentioned is anecdotal evidence tho

[keen spruce]

you're not going to see a shift in tanks

until bears can't do bear pulls

[vestal wren]

it just happens that 3 players on my fl had their push group change to exodia

[keen spruce]

bear pulls cut ~1-2 full pulls out of most dungeons

[slim hamlet]

Only change i see for tanks is prot warrior for NL still

[vestal wren]

and all 3 went from pushing to the extreme

[slim hamlet]

MAYBE for VP

[deft flicker]

Yet sometimes it doesn’t matter

[vestal wren]

to now more or less having no motivation anymore

[keen spruce]

I would expect most teams to run prot in NL in the finals

if it's tyran

just to beat the timer

[slim hamlet]

Yea

[deft flicker]

The hunter is nothing without the hunt (c)

[clever sapphire]

guys billzard got me, what do i do now

[sweet gorge]

is this a macro to see the assassination opener?

[clever sapphire]

assa opener is in the faq

[sweet gorge]

thanks !

[clever sapphire]

#assassination-faq message

[sweet gorge]

if we use beacon, is it better to use it as first spell?

(after garrot)

[clever sapphire]

after rupture

[sweet gorge]

ok ty

i have two more question, sorry for bothering haha.

1. it say in the opener that we shoudl use garrot as close as the second sepsis buff, if we are full cap energy at this moment, should we use it either way or wait a little?
2. in the pinned message of the channel they say that we should use vanish. when we have our second mark we should do sepsis ==> mark ==> shiv ==> envenim ===> vanish ==> garrot?

[clever sapphire]

you always wanna use the free stealth ability from sepsis on garrote and its always as late as possible to extend the empowered garrote, yes even if you are on full points, getting that sepsis garrote out is more important than 1 wasted point

your first vanish is 2 minutes into the fight

[sweet gorge]

thanks for the answer !

[vapid sierra]

no

mark>shiv>er>env>go thru the motions of build/finish

then gar>shiv when the time is right from the first

and use potion with mark

[frozen iris]

Another question. In the opener we don’t hold sepsis for our first initial garrote to get I pandemic range right? We just pop sepsis immediately in the opener to get it on cd?

[spice spire]

Correct

[frozen iris]

Okay that’s what I thought just making sure.

[quiet oar]

Wait you are german

[deft flicker]

IIRC no

But the language can be equally cursed

[blissful forge]

i heard my name

whats the topic

jk

[clever sapphire]

ye

well from austria, not germany

[quiet oar]

Oh no

How many german speaking people are here

[blissful forge]

half the rogue discord is german i feel like

dunno if you know but whispyr also has german roots

x)

[keen spruce]

I think it's like 25% and the other 25% just learned german to fit in

[blissful forge]

based take

[quiet oar]

Could be true

tbhj

[gusty mirage]

yeah let's avoid the hitler jokes

thanks

[keen spruce]

huh?

that was not a hitler joke

[gusty mirage]

not talking to you

[keen spruce]

oh

I was confused

[gusty mirage]

talking to the individual whose messages I had to delete

[night delta]

guess something got sent to the nether zone

[keen spruce]

that's why i was confused

i was scrollin lookin for the culprit

[clever sapphire]

those words will remain in my head, only because i suck at history and still managed to remember this one fact

[clever sapphire]

good that you said german speaking, because im actually hungarian and like 1/8th german, but i live in austria

[agile osprey]

I don't check RH all week and Oxi's having to lay down the hammer

@keen spruce @pure moth Same time tomorrow?

[keen spruce]

[pure moth]

Works for me

[keen spruce]

we could do it with 4 rogues

and just let the tank solo it

after we all die

[pure moth]

Lol

[keen spruce]

[agile osprey]

Im down

5 rogue alternate threat and evasion

I believe

[pure moth]

I think we'd zerg it quick enough

[gusty mirage]

what are you going to do with 4 pairs of boots

[keen spruce]

no no surely mook and i get daggies this week

[agile osprey]

Moderately improve my mog

[pure moth]

Im just there cuz ive been lucky

[gusty mirage]

me too man me too

[autumn frost]

I haven't played since 10.1.5 came out. Am I wrong to think we haven't really changed since then?

[clever sapphire]

did you play with sepsis in raid?

if your answer is yes, then we didnt change yap

[blissful forge]

sorry x)

[peak bobcat]

me too

rocking a 441 in the offhand still

[sweet dawn]

me too

[clever sapphire]

tanking raid is so boring, how can people do this

[vapid sierra]

i thought it woud be more interesting than dps

more stuff to do

[clever sapphire]

i dunno

seems boring to me

maybe because its only normal

[vapid sierra]

bruh

of course its gonna be boiring

[gusty mirage]

no clue

raid tanking takes a whole lot of mental fortitude

esp cause in mythic you can either make the boss smooth or an absolute mess for everyone

and no one ever says "good job tanking"

they only ever criticize

it's like healing

[clever sapphire]

so tanking gets fun in mythic 🤔 , guess im sticking to tanking dungeons

also its probably harder to grasp when its actually healers/tanks doing a good job, than dps doing a good job

[heady jackal]

if you are getting compliments for healing it is because you saved everyone from missed mechanics or meltdowns lol'

[spice spire]

It’s not.
You just don’t think of your tanks ever doing a good job

If the boss is smooth moving, not frontaling raid and there’s no random tank deaths? Your tanks did a good job

I’ve played with good tanks and bad tanks, the difference is very evident.

I’ve also been the bad tank and realized “yo someone else needs to do this, it’ll be smoother.

[clever sapphire]

actually true, it just never comes to mind that the boss moves smooth because the tank moves the boss smothly

[quiet oar]

Thats why zskarn was a hell for US

[spice spire]

We had some issues but it just took some fixed planning

[quiet oar]

There was no planning

[spice spire]

We have 3 tanks, two are very good, and I haven’t played with the third enough to know

[quiet oar]

Pre nerf Post cheese

[spice spire]

Ahhh

[main vessel]

and then there's me

[spice spire]

That sounds awful

[main vessel]

[quiet oar]

It was RNG

[main vessel]

also hi Quake

:3

[quiet oar]

And Tanks didnt know what the Plan was for the noss

[spice spire]

You’re literally the tank I used to get me off tanking and we one shot the boss after?

[quiet oar]

For like 75 pulls

[spice spire]

Brethren?

[main vessel]

[spice spire]

I think we had zskarn in 75 pulls total (post nerf btw)

Also howdy mister topple

[main vessel]

Zskarn is just

into the wall

for tanks

???????

there's like 2 knockbacks you don't go into the wall

[spice spire]

I think one of my favorite moments was looking at a replay and for some reason our dk tank had to Rezz our third tank collecting bombs across the map?

So you see no movement, no movement, little moves, move across, then one tank just hauling back across

[quiet oar]

But i agree

You feel the difference

Between good Tanks

And not the good Tanks

[gusty mirage]

BUILT DIFFY

TOPPLE THE TANK GOD

[vestal wren]

topple in rogue discord

sadly with the wrong spec role

[spice spire]

Topple was timing 20s week two when I was 4p s1 and 423 ilvl with me

Man is just a GIGACHAD

[gusty mirage]

he won't admit it, but he did it to get on my good side

[main vessel]

henlo

[main vessel]

hi Oxi :3

[gusty mirage]

hi cutie

[vestal wren]

hey, did hear only good things about you

[gusty mirage]

topple decided to fix wowanalyzer for assassination

because he hates himself

[spice spire]

But I love him

[gusty mirage]

we all do man

we all do

[keen spruce]

we compliment our tank after every night of raid

and make fun of our other tank for having to play with a skittering affix in raid

[glacial lantern]

Why did they even bother changing vendetta to deathmark if they didn't even solve the problem of no aoe interactions?

[balmy condor]

the main goal they wanted was to create a cooldown that was worthy of being on the gcd while also making something more interesting than "you do % more damage"

assassination's main cooldown being single target is a core of the spec, and has been since its inception

that wasn't going to change

[royal lantern]

vendetta: point angry at the enemy, you do more dmg now

[keen spruce]

he speaks the truth

ig technically this could be AoE but assas rogue didn't have any AoE abilities back then

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/objection-court-judge-object-lol-gif-4833328

PoV assassination rogues before 2022

[royal lantern]

and in bfa we make a azerite trait called "nothing Personal" that buffs it, even thought its the absolute opposite in the name

[keen spruce]

[errant swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[keen spruce]

i didn't realize they gave us vendetta back in cata. thought it was more recent than that

[fleet whale]

While Deathmark is surely a much more interesting CD than Vendetta, I'm not sure if it's as impactful of a CD
though that really just comes down to tuning

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

I'm not sure if it's as impactful of a cd
impactful being measured how

[royal lantern]

its ~the same dmg wise iirc

like, its more or less vendetta but fits the spec flavor more then "generic dmg amp"

[fleet whale]

Dratnos considered Vendetta to be one of if not the strongest ST cd in the game back in BFA

[balmy condor]

okay

I mean he also said that sepulcher tier bonus is 100% increased damage during cooldowns for assa

and it was nowhere near that

[keen spruce]

dratnos has tank brain

[balmy condor]

he hasn't played a rogue in like 7 years

[keen spruce]

he was an outlaw main for like 3 seasons in bfa

would not consider him a supreme authority on assas rogue

[spice surge]

He used to play rogue. But back in bfa assa was one of the strongest (if not the strongest, depends on patch) 2 minute class, but thats because we had two different strong cooldown we would line up (both vanish and vendetta)

So technically vendetta wasnt that fantastic, but since you had another cooldown always used at the same time it seemed stronger

[balmy condor]

deathmark is way stronger

[spice surge]

Deathmark is just infinitely cooler, more interactive and frankly just more fun than vendetta

[balmy condor]

vendetta is very easy math

30% damage increase for 20 seconds every 120 seconds

[spice surge]

The only exception being when it gets cleansed in pvp

That sucks ass

But also

Pvp

[balmy condor]

is 1/6th uptime of 30%

which is 5%

the damage from the duplicated poisons and bleeds on deathmark alone are like 7, 7.5%

plus its duplicating amp poison for more envenom damage

plus it's more lethal dose stacks

plus it's more energy

[glacial lantern]

You do get some pretty strong envenoms when the cd is up, and you have amp poison

It would be nice if you could get 2 charges of vanish though

[balmy condor]

we call that sepsis in here

[glacial lantern]

But sepsis will not allow you to get a empowered garrote as far as i'm aware

[balmy condor]

what

of course it does

that's the whole point of the talent

[glacial lantern]

Oh really?

Then iv'e been playing it wrong the whole time

[fleet whale]

you can get two of them technically with sepsis

[spice surge]

I feel like vanish should be either stronger or almost inconsequential, having it be sorta weak like now feels scuffed

[fleet whale]

one when the dot is active, and another after it expires

[balmy condor]

the whole idea of us playing sepsis is that we get an empowered garrote when we cast it, and then we can hold the buff after it expires and extend it

which essentially gives us 40 seconds of improved garrote

[spice surge]

Holding vanish until second deathmark is some cursed tech that shouldnt really be a thing

[balmy condor]

I mean you could cast the vanish after the opener sepsis gar drops

and then hold the sepsis for 10ish seconds to cover the deathmark

and then hold the vanish for the 4 min

that's the most optimal way to play it depending on the kill time and shit

but ain't nobody got the fucking time to do calculus mid fight to figure out if that's worth it

[spice surge]

Ye im saying the fact that its optimal is silly, not that its a stupid thing to actually do

[uncut dragon]

Eh my ocd is so blown by every cooldown having a different timer so they only line up once.

[balmy condor]

yeh it's not optimal though is the point

[glacial lantern]

Does the second part of sepsis also empower garrote?

[spice surge]

Ok the fact thats its even remotely close to being considered

[balmy condor]

it's a calculated downgrade that we recommend to people so their head doesn't explode

[balmy condor]

it's the same buff on cast and on expiration

they function the same

[glacial lantern]

I see, thanks

[royal lantern]

idk

i press on cd and do more dmg

[balmy condor]

I know you don't, that's why I'm informing you

[royal lantern]

[subtle tundra]

We get rogue news tomrow?

[balmy condor]

I don't see why we would

unless you think 10.2 ptr drops tomorrow

[subtle tundra]

Aaaaa

Not even 1 good news tonight

Sober and sad

[glacial lantern]

That means i should probably track sepsis duration, so i don't mistakenly use ambush at the end

[balmy condor]

track the buff

not the sepsis

you hold the buff for as long as possible

[glacial lantern]

Sorry, i don't understand why i should hold the buff for as long as possible

[balmy condor]

because it extends

[royal lantern]

more big dot uptime

[balmy condor]

you cast sepsis, and use garote

the sepsis is 10 seconds

the garrote is 16

[glacial lantern]

Oh that's whay you mean

ofc

[balmy condor]

that garrote pandemics

so it's gonna be 23 seconds

so the sepsis expires

but you still have 13 seconds left on the empowered garrote

the buff you get after sepsis expires is 10 seconds though

so you can sit on the buff

and wait for the garrote to get into pandemic

and then extend it again

[shy pecan]

Which sepsis expiring? The one you get that buffs your next ability as though stealthed?

[balmy condor]

the dot

[balmy condor]

^

this comes after

[shy pecan]

Oh ok ok

I was confused for a second and questioning how I’ve been playing sin with sepsis after reading that

[glacial lantern]

Were shadowlands rogue covenant abiliites actually pretty interesting?

At least compared to what some other classes got stuck with

[near valley]

sbs and stepsis where cool

[balmy condor]

we have all the versions of the covenant abilities on our trees. Assassination has access to fae with sepsis, kyrian with echoing reprimand, necrolord with bone spike, and for venthyr you can look at flagellation on sub

[near valley]

depends on what u define interesting as

warrior covenant abilities were kinda boring

but banner also slapped

[silk bane]

bro on god imma be out in my priests ears trying to convince them to pi me in 10.2 like

btw @balmy condor I slept on what we were talking about last night about more resources and more damage, and the whole funnel thing, and I think I understand your point now. I'll take it back, its not a design failure, but a design choice. you were right.

[balmy condor]

I would prefer the old design as well

anything to get away from gloomblade

[silk bane]

same, but now that I kinda slep on it, I can also understand the devs frustrations and why they cant make certain things happen.

it is a hard problem for sure

[main vessel]

Quake

I got something that’ll trigger your fight or flight response again

Wherever you are you handsome devil

[spice spire]

I’m never ready

[balmy condor]

voice changer

on

[main vessel]

I don’t wanna derail the good chat here

So check your DMs

[spice spire]

[keen spruce]

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/utka-duck-knife-chik-gif-19815935

[spice spire]

Mfs just typing in between globals

Chill

[silk bane]

sin apm and RH shit posting per minute have a negative correlation

with sin being this fast, not enough time to shit post between globals

[spice spire]

Real

[gaunt moat]

You guys excited? next month PTR

Sin is gonna be broken OP
incredible AoE
Incredible Cleave
Best ST in game

[runic hinge]

I won’t play ptr but I’m excited for the smart people’s feedback

[spice spire]

APM 600000000

[gaunt moat]

CGD unlocked.
no restraints.
unlimited energy.

[spice spire]

Realz cooking in the lab as we speak

[gaunt moat]

inb4: CT deals 8% more damage

fixed

[balmy condor]

is it a labratory or a lab or a tory

[gaunt moat]

https://tenor.com/view/on-my-way-strut-walk-walk-cycle-not-again-gif-19289358

realz irl

[balmy condor]

no shot he's that tall

[spice spire]

I’ve heard it both ways

You know all about that don’t you

[sweet dawn]

If you're British it's labrachree

[balmy condor]

If you're british I don't care about what you think is correct english

[sweet dawn]

B-b-but we made English

[balmy condor]

the way british english evolved with american english is actually really interesting

[sweet dawn]

Yeah language history is interesting and something you never think about but use every day

[brazen zodiac]

i am interested

more story time ? 💃

[balmy condor]

nah

[spice spire]

4 am sink story time?

[frozen iris]

How many people use plater here?

[balmy condor]

I would assume most

its by far the most popular nameplate addon

[frozen iris]

I don’t know a lot of people who use addons in general most of my friends are purists.

[balmy condor]

I assume those people don't raid at anything higher than heroic

[frozen iris]

Which is insane but I digress. Right now I use both cevs profile and have A bar tracker weak aura which lists out ruptures and garrotes for each mob.

You would be right.

[balmy condor]

A bar tracker weak aura which lists out ruptures and garrotes for each mob

okay

[gusty mirage]

yeah but then you changed it so you wouldn't sound like the "filthy colonists"

unlucky

[frozen iris]

I have found that I don’t actually pay attention to the nameplates all that much. I don’t know where I was going with this…

I already forgot

[balmy condor]

my nameplates highlight when bleeds get in pandemic

the whole bar tracker listing out every single rupture and garrote just sounds like a screens worth of visual clutter

unless they're clickable weakauras to target those mobs I guess

that could have some niche uses

I could see that

[frozen iris]

It can be lol. No they aren’t clickable. Just help to see when I should start thinking about refreshing. But now that I think about it, it may be a crutch I should remove.

Only place I seem to have issues with name plates is in neltharus and they are at the top of my screen. And I can’t really get a top down view

[oak sky]

I rember sink

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/йокелемене-men-in-black-light-sunglasses-gif-15516530

[frozen iris]

How has my dumbass not ever looked at what you can do with plater…

[gusty mirage]

Because for most players it’s not intuitive to download a whole new addon to replace something that’s built in that functions relatively well

[frozen iris]

I already used plater but I didn’t set it up. Just copied a profile I think

[silk bane]

oxi can u bless my vault so i get mythic class trinket or mythic bomb tyvm

[sudden canyon]

medical grade copium. finest there is.

[gusty mirage]

You don’t want my blessings big dude

I took a socket and have nothing left to socket lol

[deft flicker]

Socket something right lmao

[bold temple]

I still only have normal bomb dispenser 😦

Only seen heroic twice

[silk bane]

not like this dude. this is my last vault for like 3-4 weeks until sarki boi dies 😦

[blissful forge]

you mean like my first 2 full mythic vaults? 🌚

[keen spruce]

i haven't seen a mythic vault in 84 years

[blissful forge]

if i wouldnt have switched guilds i wouldnt even know how the raid looks from the inside 💀
but i wont complain bout 457CtS, 477 Bdp and 450 sark hands in my last 3 vaults

[loud hearth]

I've had 0 mythic vaults this whole tier

[keen spruce]

wait how

did you guys never reclear

[cobalt hemlock]

dont need to reclear if everyone is almost bis

[spiral pasture]

tbf without loot from last 2 mythic you are quite far from bis

and also mythic bomb is pretty big

[torn swan]

Hello dear Assassination friends! I am seeking help, knowledge and wisdom, for I am a bit lost to be honest.
Truth is that even being close to optimized (not perfectly but quite decently), and trying my best in raid (and in dungeons), I still have the feeling that i'm missing something important. My dps is OK-tier but too average to be considered as good (in Single Target) despite doing everything I can. I respect the strats and mechanics, I have my gear enchanted & up to date, I can survive longer than other dps, buuuuuuut I still have the sensation that I'm missing a point.

Do you guys have the same feeling? Is it me or is it linked to the fact that Assassination is not really competitive at the moment?

[royal lantern]

assa is really weak rn

beeing in the top3 when your group is atleast halfway decent is simply not a thing