assassination

[balmy condor]

but same concept

[hallow sonnet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b9nxU7JqEYxZE6hVC8MqNh
Like this for 40s fights

[plain moon]

Does curse of weakness stack with mind numbing?

[balmy condor]

yeah

that should be accurate enough for 40 seconds

but it's definitely not optimized

since now we need to consider openers

[balmy condor]

yes

[hallow sonnet]

And the new DK slow

[plain moon]

Ty

[hallow sonnet]

mm much more greedy think

[plain moon]

Do DKs actually spec that tho?

[hallow sonnet]

Unsure, but iirc all of the attack speed slows are multiplicative with eachother too

[balmy condor]

if I have to start optimizing shadow dance kingsbane exsanguinate sepsis

for a 40 second kill time

I might actually lose my shit

the sample luckily looks pretty acceptable

[hallow sonnet]

To be fair, outside of the end boss I guess, the "shortest fight" max dps is what a lot of people will look and drool over at wcl ;)

[balmy condor]

I added a line during the sepsis fix

to force the rupture prep for exsang

which seems to have fixed a lot of opener stuff for other builds

good to see it's working

[flint tusk]

Purple name Whispyr

[hallow sonnet]

Pretty sure Tea could be optimized quite a bit

on such short kills

[balmy condor]

probably

but there's bigger issues

[dusk summit]

Hey so reading though all the things and trying to figure out what to craft etc. Is Slimy Boots still BIS? Or did I read that wrong? Also Im looking at my onyx ring, Is this soemthing I should be replacing or is it still good to use in M+ and or raid? Thanks gamers.

[balmy condor]

like the fact that fragment still has 9 stacks

when it's supposed to have 0

but ya know

the devil you know

versus the devil you don't

blabla

[balmy condor]

toxic should be slightly better now

onyx ring can be replaced

[dusk summit]

oh good, I can amke this this week so i think Ill do that.

[balmy condor]

but it's very close to bis

you'd have to get some banging rings to make that happen

[limber lion]

But if it's a 40s kill, you basically have lust for the entirety of the encounter which means that you don't get to use tea for the energy gain at all, which would force the apl to already use it by itself for the mastery because of the ttd line

I mean sure it could be used twice during Deathmark and once during Shiv

[hallow sonnet]

Yeah but "dumping at end" isn't really optimal

[dusk summit]

I got kinda crap in my vault but there is a ring that sims a bit higher in M+ (5 boss target for 40sec)

[limber lion]

But that's almost what it's doing already

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't suggest that

[hallow sonnet]

You'd probably chain it at some point

[balmy condor]

5 target 40 sec is uh

pretty volatile

[clever sapphire]

So i question i have been asking myself for this week since its forti. Would you guys run a heroic boon over 437 harlans/441 brackenhide trinket which name i forgor? Or should i just sim it

[limber lion]

Probably just sending em all during Deathmark

That's easy enough to test

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rMTagyW61zTJWiDk3n6oFq

Easy 1.4k dps from just sending during dm

[hallow sonnet]

master assassin probably gains some value as well

[dusk summit]

Should I be using dungeon slice for M+ topgear? (sorry for cutting randomly in)

[limber lion]

But at the end of the day, if a kill is less than a minute, it's probably a safe bet to throw everything you have during lust and cds

I think that's something people instinctively do as well

[hallow sonnet]

I usually use DS. And then two separate sims for the different parts of DS.
As in 1 for a ~140 s ST fight.
And one with this type of fight style
adds,name=SmallAdd,count=5,count_range=1,first=0,cooldown=45,duration=15,duration_stddev=2
adds,name=BigAdd,count=2,count_range=1,first=20,cooldown=50,duration=30,duration_stddev=2

Though I usually have 7 and 4 as counts personally for sub

Yeah Cev

[limber lion]

Everyone have their own methods for simming m+

[hallow sonnet]

Like the shorter the fight, the easier it is to be intuitive

[limber lion]

I just use Dslice and call it a day

:P

[hallow sonnet]

The hard part about "feeling" in WoW combat is to make a connection to how a decision I take now will affect things further along the fight

[limber lion]

Yep, millions of things to consider. Fight length, adds, forced damage stops, cooldowns, syncing... it goes on and on

I have a friend who cannot grasp the concept of holding cds or not using everything together at once all the time

He's super casual and always saves every single cooldown in his kit so he can use them ALL together for maximum burst

[balmy condor]

bro likes big numbers

[hallow sonnet]

Sounds fun though

[balmy condor]

a man of culture

[limber lion]

Absolutely

[hallow sonnet]

Timmy player

From MTG terms

Big numbers fun

[dusk summit]

i like big numbers

dem big crits

[hallow sonnet]

In the end, the goal is to succeed. And identifying what is keeping your group from succeeding is very important. Sometimes it is maximizing overall dps. Sometimes it is maximizing dps during a certain phase. And a plethora of different stuffs

[dusk summit]

side note how are we (assa rogues) on the scale of dps? Ie we in a solid postiontion or is it as usual?

[balmy condor]

it's not great

my rashok kill was super banging

it's like rank 4 atm still, rank 2 without pi

and then you open the log

and you're like

oh

unholy dk did 113k and it's a green parse

assa rogue did 116k and it's one of the highest

and it's a blue parse sandwhich otherwise

very cool

[true garden]

is lariat better than toxic patch at 5 elemental gems you think

[balmy condor]

not even close

[true garden]

fml i had 6 foken sockets

[clever sapphire]

turn off details, dont look at logs, now you are happy that boss died and not sad that you are only so high cause others did shit

[uncut dragon]

bomb dispenser question...can you put multiple bombs on the same target?

[clever sapphire]

how would you do that

[balmy condor]

no, because there's a cooldown on the trinket

you can't have more than 1 bomb out at any given time

because of it

[uncut dragon]

huh. it said it stored 3 bombs, thought you could use them all. Kind of dumb to phrase it that way if you can only use one at a time

[clever sapphire]

it has a 10 gcd or so after a usage

most trinkets have a trinket cd, thats why 2 on use is getting hated

because you delay them because of that cd

[uncut dragon]

ya I'm using beacon now and I just got bomb in my cache.

so I'll be using 2 on use...forgot about the 30 sec cd

[balmy condor]

I just tried it with 8 sockets on my own character, and a 447 lariat is a full 1% worse, even when it's replacing my 441 neck

only downhill from there

[clever sapphire]

as long as you dont bind bomb to mutilate or envenom you wont really have troubles with 2 on use

opener is probably a bit scuffed unless you bind it to shiv though

[uncut dragon]

already so many keybinds

[clever sapphire]

ye just macro it to shiv, because you press shiv only later in the opener

and bacon is your 5th cast i think

[uncut dragon]

its funny I sim better with the call to suffering as sub

[balmy condor]

you can think of them like charges, the bombs stick for 7 seconds before exploding, and you can throw a bomb every 10 seconds

so technically you could rapid fire them

1 bomb every 10 seconds

and then run out of charges

cause it takes 30 seconds to make a new bomb

[uncut dragon]

bomb-bomb-bomb-beacon

[balmy condor]

that beacon would be 40 seconds into the fight

but if it doesn't miss you a beacon cast, sure

[clever sapphire]

just do the puzzlebox opener with bomb on shiv

problem solved

or the cursed precast thingy rosvall and whispyr were talking about above

[balmy condor]

that might overcap you a charge if you're playing lightweight I think

let me run the timings in my head real quick

yeah it's actually worse than that

cause you would beacon -> shiv basically right

but you wouldn't be able to bomb cause the 30 second shared cd

and by the end of that 30 second shared cooldown, you would have to hold shiv

which would lose you shiv #3 from your lust

which is kinda fine

but then you hold shiv for over 40 seconds after that

[clever sapphire]

hmm, bomb is not on gcd right? so in theorie i could press envenom and insta press shiv so shiv doesnt get cast but the bomb gets

[balmy condor]

which would mean you definitely overcap a bomb

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah that's possible

[uncut dragon]

I just beaconed a turnip punching bag and it was only 20 seconds until bomb?

[balmy condor]

could do the same thing macroing it to deathmark

[clever sapphire]

bomb and bacon sounds like a pain in the ass in the opener

[balmy condor]

and then just press your deathmark button

when deathmarks on cooldown

or, could be safer to macro into ambush perhaps hm

[clever sapphire]

thought about it, but that means i would have to send dm on cooldown in dungeons

[slow tulip]

you can macro it to ambush and you press it during the gcd

or out for it for both if you have proc

[clever sapphire]

macro it to sap, there is no way you would ever have to press sap xD

[slow tulip]

[uncut dragon]

I can hear my raid leader yelling at me for spamming sap on a raid boss...

[austere fulcrum]

where was the APL code ?

[balmy condor]

are you not already?

your tier bonus mr murlock

[raven merlin]

does beacon benefits from 4pc?

[balmy condor]

no

[blazing jewel]

Cosmetic tier bonus

[clever sapphire]

dunno, in my 16-18 keys this week adds died so fast i didnt even have the motivation to press it because i wanted boss dmg

[clever sapphire]

let him complain as long as you do dmg its fine

also when is murlock gonna be a playable race

[balmy condor]

but your aoe damage from tier bonus mr murlock

[clever sapphire]

my what?

did you just say aoe as assa

[balmy condor]

not without abusing your 4pc you're not

[clever sapphire]

there is 1 tank i like doing dungeons with, because he understands that big pulls on assa are fun af

other tanks pull like the smallest shit you could

and i just wanna quit the key

[clever sapphire]

tell me to abuse my tierset again and i will DM a critter to get it

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/silicon-valley-erlich-bachman-motherfuck-gif-8224886

[deft flicker]

RIP gently squeezed toads

[hallow sonnet]

This is how I played always when I was playing at a high level

Though I did a lot of log digging in breaks

[clever sapphire]

i have details on, but like never look at logs

because that shit would demotivate the hell out of me, seeing someone with green parses above me and my purple parse

[hallow sonnet]

Ah, no more for like seeing where damage patterns align with different phases of the fight etc

[clever sapphire]

ah, ye i usually got that down by the fact that i send everything on cooldown, and after like 3-4 times i realise when it doesnt make sense to send it

because boss phases/intermission or whatever

but looking at logs is probably easier and smarter

btw wasnt it supposed to be volcanic week? why is it raging again

[balmy condor]

AlwaysShowMe.gif

I don't have it

help

I need a memelord

[blazing jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/rogue-rogue-lineage-rogue-lineage-demon-lineage-roblox-gif-19543456

[uncut dragon]

tried macroing envenom to the bomb trink, worked pretty well through the opening and burst phases. thanks

[clever sapphire]

dont you have bacon too?

[uncut dragon]

yes

[clever sapphire]

well i guess its fine in the opening since envenom cast is so late 🤔

[uncut dragon]

I had to hold one envenom like 2 sec to get becon off later in rotation

[sour citrus]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[clever sapphire]

what im probably gonna do if i ever get bomb is macro it to my ambush keybind

[slow tulip]

so fragment 447 is still better than dice 441 ? 🤔

[winter gale]

What's our best trinket combo?

Beacon+Bomb or Fragment goes somewhere there?

Found the pin*

[signal merlin]

hello quick question does the toxic armor patch has to be on the wrists only or i can do any piece i need? (ilvl i mean)

[hot blade]

can be on other leatherworking pieces (i have mine on my belt) so i can use brez bracers for example

[signal merlin]

ok nice

[clever sapphire]

wrist was probably the best choice in the bis sim, because of the other pieces you wear there. I crafted wrists because that was my shittiest item

[royal lantern]

its mostly because:

head/chest/gloves/leg/shoulders are tier slots and probably allready blocked

boots is slime boots

so you more or less only have wrist and belt left, but sark belt exists aswell if you are lucky

[signal merlin]

well it's gonna be gloves cause it's my lowest + i have 4p set

[clever sapphire]

i wish, im just farming NL for the crit mastery belt

got 3 haste mastery rings already with leech and avoid

[gaunt moat]

I just crafted shoulders

was a bigger upgrade to go from 437(tier)->447
than wrists 424->447

[limber lion]

I wish I had bacon

My apartment always smells for a week when I make bacon

[clever sapphire]

dont you have windows?

[grave depot]

wait so bomb dispenser + beacon is best since fragment was oversimming?

[clever sapphire]

was before too im pretty sure

fragment was just close

[grave depot]

ah

[clever sapphire]

447 fragment beat heroic bomb/beacon i think

but not anymore

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[balmy condor]

Fragment +0.2% over beacon because bis means bis

And 450 beacon slightly worse than oversimming 447 fragment

[clever sapphire]

wat

bacon really that bad compared to fragment?

[royal lantern]

"bad"

[balmy condor]

I mean if frags simming 18% higher

[royal lantern]

you guys throw that word around like crazy lol

[balmy condor]

That’s quite a buff

[clever sapphire]

i like lime

and here i thought bacon is ultra broken shit

[keen spruce]

okay so a trinket that is only .2% worse than something simming 18% higher than it should

is not ultra broken in your opinion

[clever sapphire]

om confused, time for a nap

[balmy condor]

If I crit all my bacons it’s almost 10% of my damage

[royal lantern]

beacon better

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

i like doing a dungeon run and beacon is like 5-7% of my total dmg

something you press once every 2,5min

good thing that borrowed power is no more

and now we have tier sets and item effects+stupid trinkets instead

[clever sapphire]

thats all my small brain had to hear

[clever sapphire]

borrowed power is now inside our spec tree, but without the good part of the borrowed powers

i should have just looked at the pin message before getting confused by numbers -.-

[grim jay]

Talents arent really borrowed power

[clever sapphire]

dunno, i look at the covenant abilities as borrowed power

[grim jay]

Well they are talents now, so part of the spec

Nothing external

[clever sapphire]

but i only started with wow in SL so probably thats why my take is so wrong

[clever sapphire]

makes sense

now give me the legendary parts of the talents, because that made them fun

[limber lion]

Sure do but the ventilation in the apartment is terrible

[clever sapphire]

maybe you should try linux

[limber lion]

LUL

Rocking Linux on the Steam Deck

[restive falcon]

we dont run frag anymore, my guild hasnt seen a single bomb trinket yet and only 2 beacons from vault

[keen spruce]

i mean just run frag until u get a bacon

[restive falcon]

i will but just feelsbad havent seen either one

[keen spruce]

yeah i'm probably like last on the dps prio list for bacon

cuz they gave me the first heroic bomba

I was so excited when i got a 447 frag in vault too

[deft flicker]

Reject bomba, return to boonge

[restive falcon]

i am prio for first beacon but it has yet to drop and i gotta roll against like 4 other people for bomb

[keen spruce]

i never got a boon

we have reached the decision point

of pushing io

or doin 8x underrots

for vault

[clever sapphire]

neither, its time to raidlog

[jaunty dew]

How do we feel about Arterial Precision for raging & fortified week?

Or is the new raging less of a pain?

[clever sapphire]

im probably gonna run it in dungeons with smaller pull sizes

but wont bother with it in dungeons like freehold

[grim jay]

Dunno why you have the option of dealing damage and wanna choose the option of being useless except for removing a debuff most can dispell better

And especially without being a deco item while doing it tho

[clever sapphire]

i like ambush

thats my whole reason behind playing it

🤣

[grim jay]

Yeah I see, since you wanna ambush your viability

[clever sapphire]

cant ambush something that never existed

but tbh i thought about running it in halls and vortex

because halls execute boss and well pulls dont really exist?

and vortex its like max 5 mobs or so

or atleast with the tanks i have been having

[grim jay]

Sim both m+ builds on ST and cleave and tell me the result 😁

[storm belfry]

So thorns does sim w heal procs

W self damaging items like corrupting rage

[spice spire]

No

[clever sapphire]

oh i know its less, its just the feeling of ambush procs on that boss

[storm belfry]

Boomie is telling me it does

Quake

Is it just class specific?

[spice spire]

That’s why it’s a bit oversimming

I also know that we have the cursed recuperate bit that procs it even if not talented

[storm belfry]

So who is telling the truth

[spice spire]

Something something don’t believe his lies insert picture of tettles

[storm belfry]

It’s not tettles

[grim jay]

Boomies have the best theorycrafting. Didnt you read the why to play and not to play boomie?

[spice spire]

This is the boomkin pin

So I’m going to assume he’s the liar

[grim jay]

Did you just assume in 2023

[spice spire]

Yeah

[storm belfry]

I am arguing w them

Claiming rogue TC is not good

[spice spire]

No point in arguing tbh

[grim jay]

#assassination message

[storm belfry]

Yeah can’t argue w chickens

Why are you tagging me in that

[proper tapir]

Obviously you should try and see how it feels, but personally I can't justify AP unless I know every pull will be 4 targets.

[storm belfry]

That dude isn’t even the one telling me lmao it’s jund

[clever sapphire]

rogue is always correct, thats why we get nerfs and they get buffs

[rapid prawn]

eyo have a quick question, been doing some assa rotations and when I compare to my sim I am pretty spot on with damage done and amount of casts.. but for some reason my deathmark rupture damage is doing like 100k less than in my sims

Is there an interaction that causes this or something else?

[spice spire]

Amen

[grim jay]

I mean, the article didnt say he himself is the best, chicken tc overall

[spice spire]

But toxic thorn is probably a gain for us, but we’ll always have some munched by recuperator. Even if not talented, it creates a 0 heal event while snd is rolling because it’s coded to SnD. So there are some tragic runs you can get into with it

[grim jay]

Did you look at dot uptime? Crits?

[proper tapir]

It could be fragment trinket? Idk go kill a boss, log it, and run it in wow analysizer

[rapid prawn]

Happened 2 times in a row so I am not sure

the poisoned edges also dealt less damage

[rapid prawn]

nah playing with essence and spitefulstorm at that time

[blazing jewel]

Are you hitting a dummy

[rapid prawn]

yes

[blazing jewel]

Does your sim have assumed raid buffs

[rapid prawn]

nope

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vMA7ik2wPBFtwH1TbegSxz

[blazing jewel]

Are you comparing it with details

[rapid prawn]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nAq2DpPNa3XcHfz1/#boss=0&difficulty=0&type=damage-done&start=9993&end=317690&source=24

[sonic schooner]

Nice paint skills whispyr 💜

[spice surge]

Brews says it procs on stagger, which should imply that it could proc on self damage stuff like crit phial and neltharion trinket too

[rapid prawn]

nah did a log that i just linked

[spice surge]

But idk

[spice spire]

I mean it proccing off of non-talented recup is

I’m less flabbergasted by stagger

[spice surge]

Yep

[blazing jewel]

At least for the first dm it wasn’t an echoing reprimand rupture

[spice surge]

Slice and dice always has a healing component, its just 0 if you dont spec recup

Blizzards finest 🍝

[blazing jewel]

Wait jk apl doesn’t have that

[rapid prawn]

😄

[rapid prawn]

Yea I just dont know why its doing less in deathmark but doing the same overal dam as the sim

so wasnt sure if I am missing an interaction or just something else going on

[blazing jewel]

Well shouldn’t say apl the sample ability log in the sim didn’t do the normal opener

[vestal wren]

thats in the sim

the passive heal effects get automatically parsed so soothing and slice and dice should be considered

what the sim isn't considering is active use of heal spells such as vial

[rapid prawn]

i did the same opener as the sim even though other info say to skip the mutilate at the start

[spice spire]

[spice spire]

Healing pot/health stone too I assume?

[proper tapir]

The thing is, the sim is combining 4set with the rupture and the log is not. Add them together like in the sim, it is closer

[spice spire]

The boots post was updated like 11 hours ago

[rapid prawn]

oh

[spice spire]

So maybe I’m spreading misinformation on the internet

[vestal wren]

the entire thing is a bit weird

because it procs from a lot of things

e.g. also the leech back enchant

[rapid prawn]

I guess that could be it ye

[vestal wren]

i didn't know too, and had to ask

[spice spire]

TIL

[grim jay]

People laughed about me saying they should check that

[vestal wren]

funny enough

[rapid prawn]

Then I am probably not missing something interaction related I will just send it on a reclear boss and see how it play out, ty for input 🙂 @proper tapir @blazing jewel

[vestal wren]

i did weeks back look at the code of slime boots trying to figure out how they are implemented

because i wasn't sure about them, even asked mystler/koji

so was surprised that my hinch was correct that its referencing the wrong effect

[proper tapir]

No problem mate! Good luck

[vestal wren]

but i didn't look at the table of effects, but assumed it to be correct, so missed the bug

[blazing jewel]

I thought you were playing exsanguinate thats why the opener looks so weird nvm ignore what I said with the casts

[ruby rover]

@gaunt moat thanks for the sepsis WA, very useful.

[vestal wren]

basically a lot of things are abstracted in simc, and its not always easy to find what you look for ^^

[rapid prawn]

😄 👍

[blazing jewel]

And your chromatic essence is set to all on the sim I believe

[vestal wren]

i am honest with you, i think stuff like this should be easier understandable

it creates complexity at points that are not needed

[grim jay]

Yeah. Same with when I said you should check WM interacting with inev because of the uptime diff

It should just trigger it tbh

But doesnt

[rapid prawn]

yee tried simming without it but the mastry I am getting doesnt affect the rupture dam at all

[grim jay]

Sometimes stuff is weird. Dont think its hard to just make a whitelist for what the boots should interact with either

[austere fulcrum]

what are the stats for chest piece tier

[royal lantern]

i sometimes dont understand raidbots

tells me tier gloves that are 3ilvl over my current tier gloves are a 900dps increase

[vestal wren]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1035163024480276640/1105426687191167016/tier_new.png?width=1621&height=710

[austere fulcrum]

❤️

[vestal wren]

head is fine too for assassination, i took that from the sub faq

sub does not like the stats on head

[austere fulcrum]

they legit playing 0 haste

[proper tapir]

I thought we were all putting toxic on head and going crit/mast on it!

[austere fulcrum]

ı put toxic on wrist

[clever sapphire]

same

[proper tapir]

Gross

[austere fulcrum]

cuz crit mas

ı am asking this pretty often but how much haste do u guys use :)))

[clever sapphire]

8%

not sure in numbers

[grim jay]

Did it add some enchants you are missing ?

[clever sapphire]

but im not really lookin at my stats, i just look at the sim

[austere fulcrum]

same here

[grim jay]

Not that it ever happened to me

[proper tapir]

I think 2%

[austere fulcrum]

for real ?

nice

[royal lantern]

sitting at 9% rn

almost the BIG HASTE ENERGY GAIN reached

[clever sapphire]

you can already feel that you have 9% haste and not 8 right?

[austere fulcrum]

xd

u cant say the dif between 5% or 20%

trust ı tried

[royal lantern]

10%haste

that giant 1 energy each second

[clever sapphire]

dude i can tell the difference between 5% and 5.1%

i have a calculator in my head

i may burn out when anyone mentions numbers

but i can tell that im getting 0.00001 more energy a second

[spice spire]

[clever sapphire]

haste is the funny number you care about just enough so you can bitch that you want PI for logs

[austere fulcrum]

respect

lmk if u find the perfect haste % 😄

[clever sapphire]

aight im gonna contact you first

[gusty mirage]

You think blizzard will ever fix their UI so you can access the “loot” tab in the journal easier?

Because if you go to shadowlands and you click the tab that showed us our legendary powers and pick item sets from the drop down, it shows the new tier sets lol

Kind of a weird oversight on their part

[clever sapphire]

im pretty sure you could have ended with "you think blizzard will ever fix" and the answer would already have been no

[grim jay]

The only working drop down we need is Oxi his clothes

#makehornypostinggreatagain

[storm onyx]

4% worn atm

[vestal wren]

not sure if this speaks for them or not

but the m+ loot table in the dungeon journal is not even correct

you can get items that are not on it

[cursive frost]

How do you use bomb dispenser, do you macro it to a basic spender so it uses it on cd?

[storm onyx]

I bound it to shiv and mutilate

[vestal wren]

my point is, there is a lot of inconsistencies, and i am not sure if there is a high incentive to make things work perfect

[gusty mirage]

[cursive frost]

If I ever even see it

[vestal wren]

my gf was angry

when she wanted 3 items from a dungeon

then run it like a maniac and got the 4th item in the same slot

that wasn't in the loot table

but idk, blizz did seem to update the ui incremental, maybe there is hope

[gusty mirage]

The adventure guide/dungeon journal is a disaster lmao

Which I mean I can see it get overlooked for other stuff

[supple snow]

in the Raidbot sims, I can't find a weapon buff, am I missing something?

[gusty mirage]

Because realistically it doesn’t significantly affect gameplay either way

[supple snow]

in Constant buffs section I can see well fed Phial and such, but not weapon runes. am I looking in the wrong place? or are they just not simmed in?

[clever sapphire]

are you looking for buzzing and such?

i jsut checked on phone, where you set what food and so on you want you can open the more options button, there you can set weapon runes too

[proper tapir]

Yeah, I keep bomb in the top slot and have this macro:

#showtooltip Mutilate
/cast Mutilate
/use 13
/script UIErrorsFrame:Hide()

[spice spire]

Check the general tab for said character and it shows as a second enchant as well

Errr summary

[supple snow]

I was checking the sims done by Whispyr

[clever sapphire]

oh xD

[supple snow]

wanted to see if the stats are buffed or unbuffed to work on them accordingly

[shadow helm]

when ur bacon

refuses to crit

😡

[thorn fjord]

I love bacon

🥓🥓🥓

[shadow helm]

get fucked brother

[storm belfry]

Might have to turn the heat up a little

If your bacon doesn’t crit. I’m just saying

[frozen jasper]

Does bomb dispenser trigger on use CD for other Trinkets?

[eager solstice]

Yes

[thorn fjord]

Except anvil

[sweet dawn]

Most annoying part of having bomb dispenser is if you have it macro'd to mutilate you can't mutilate in your opener cus you need to use fragment

(Maybe not anymore)

[worn panther]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[clever sapphire]

Thats why you dont macro it to mutilate

Im gonna macro it to ambush if i ever get one

[strange python]

We get ptr notes today. Surely

[fallen charm]

anyone else simming better with other rings over annulet with the sepsis build?

[frigid kestrel]

For ST i am, for DSLICE im not

[winter gale]

Amount of ambush casts is enough to keep bomb used on cd?

[fallen charm]

I don't think so

[clever sapphire]

I dont have to cast ambush

But its on q, not my stealth bar

So i can press q for ambush or to apply bomb

Or both

[fallen charm]

I just put mine on mutilate and be aware of not using it before exsanguinate combo

[winter gale]

I have it macroed on Mutilate + binded

[winter gale]

Why not, I am not aware of this

[fallen charm]

so I can use the other on use trinket

[clever sapphire]

I dont like mutilate because what if beacon is coming up, boss is 5% and if i press mutilate it uses bomb and 1 beacon cast less

[fallow canopy]

I can already see myself wasting a sepsis proc do to this

[winter gale]

Oh, ok. I am still with Torch as 2nd

[fallen charm]

that only happens if you only have 10 seconds till the boss dies

just start typing /cast mutilate it this is going to happen KEKW

speaking of bacon, since we hold vanish I was thinking about doing this opening: pre-cast bacon on pull> vanish>proceed to regular opening

[gusty mirage]

best I can do for you is another datamined cosmetic

take it or leave it

[strange python]

No warlock changes?

[gusty mirage]

they already have those

so we get cosmetics/pet datamines

I had a mental breakdown last night

and messaged whispyr in all caps "OUR SPEC FUCKING SUCKS"

and that was the end of the discussion

[strange python]

Subtlety is good in m+ god I'm so tired of whiny rogues. Triple DPS scum

Today's reddit moment.

[proper tapir]

That only works for Sub since they take invigorating Shadowdust now, Sin players will want to still hold Vanish for the 5th and 7th DM

[rocky ruin]

I was watching max yt video with tettles, dratnos, jb and someone else. And at the end of vidoe they were talking about changing stuff etc
and max was reading a comment from his community about rogue changes and tettles just said they dont need changes and so

damn i was really thinking smacking this guy

[limber lion]

5th and 7th dm? How long are your encounters god damn

[storm onyx]

ouch

[gusty mirage]

I had an 11 minute rashok kill in LFR on my pally

[proper tapir]

Our warlock and evokers die instantly, and we take repair breaks mid pull

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

yeah it wasn't great

[strange python]

Community perception is a big reason we don't get changes. The community would rage

Also, hate to say it, but blame Guy.

He has had three opportunities on Max's Stream now to outline our problems and every time comes back to "eh rogue is fine ish"

[spice spire]

He complains about rogue and gets flamed

There’s literally no win for him

[strange python]

He complains about rogue on Twitter and in this disc

(which I support)

[gusty mirage]

correct

InfiniteHabibi is an opp to assassination rogues

[spice spire]

Amen

Praying for outlaw’s downfall (it’s a tank spec now)

[strange python]

If you're gonna get flamed regardless, outline our problems.

[gusty mirage]

problem is guy is forever an optimist (heh)

[strange python]

Lost opportunity.

[gusty mirage]

he'll look at the bright side

as long as outlaw isn't absolute dogshit

if it's comparable with the other 2 specs

"rogue is fine"

[spice spire]

Alright lil peep

[strange python]

Thats fine, but the community hears a big name on a giant stream saying rogue is fine and thinks other complaints aren't reasonable

[gusty mirage]

tbf even when he has said rogue sucks

people still think complaints aren't reasonable

[strange python]

Idr that

[gusty mirage]

problem is the majority of players run into rogues in m+

[gaunt moat]

If you're gonna take an L, you might as well take it while advocating for your benefit

[gusty mirage]

and statistically

rogues are more prepared than other players

so they perform better

(helps that sub's aoe rotation can be done by a toddler)

so people go OMEGALUL ROGUE OP STOP CRYING ROUGES

because they all spell it rouge.

[fallen charm]

[gusty mirage]

I've seen fully geared locks do 70k overall

and tell me rogue is OP

[spice spire]

Real

[gusty mirage]

so they don't compare apples to apples

they compare the dude trying to fill his vault in their 18-19 no leaver

to themselves

[spice spire]

Not I asking the tank 600 times what pull he’s going to do to determine what’s worth for CDs

[gusty mirage]

like sub rogue is fine in m+

but rogue is not fine in raid

and anyone who thinks that

is actually high as fuck

well ig it depends on your definition of "fine"

because this week is when we all start seeing the disparity

we've had enough weeks for warlocks and DKs to get their OP trinkets

and get fully geared

and evoker*

sorry forgot them for some reason

we're about to be in for a very very rude awakening in the coming weeks

I gained 15 ilvl and went up 15k dps

other people gained 15 ilvl and went up 40k dps

lmao

[strange python]

I raid in a high ish level guild who thinks rogue is fine in raid because I'm dropping rank 1-5s every pull while they blue

[rocky ruin]

didn't look so much in logs atm but how many sub rogue vs assa rogue are in mythic atm?

[gusty mirage]

sub slightly better

all 3 pathetic

[strange python]

It doesn't help that rogue brought a ton of power from Vault into Aberrus so a lot of early strength made us look better than we are

[gusty mirage]

sub rogue is middle of the pack

other 2 are bottom feeders

[strange python]

Rogue stonks are dropping like a rock as weeks go by

[gusty mirage]

yep

[strange python]

Especially sub.

[gusty mirage]

we relied heavy on the rings

and the trinkets

which propped us up in 10.1

[strange python]

I get that it's hard to buff rogues at 10.1 launch because of that

But the lack of tuning since launch is weird

[gusty mirage]

the disparity is about to break the mental of all of the rogue-kind

[strange python]

Where the fuck are the devoker nerfs

We are 6 sin nerfs week 2.

It's week 4

[gusty mirage]

before you'd burst to the top 5 of the meters

now in your burst

you're like

[strange python]

Devoker is better than sin ever was.

[gusty mirage]

80k behind all the top dogs

lmfao

[rocky ruin]

is not hard, but some ppl are crying if they buff us

[strange python]

Buffing rogue week 1 would've made sub stacked for week 1 which is bad. But we need help now.

[gusty mirage]

yep

our only redemption is hoping 10.1.5 brings about good tuning

[rocky ruin]

if our pure ST spec get nuked to hell by other specs who arent really pure st then idk what to say

[gusty mirage]

but they don't seem very concerned with releasing any information about rogue at all early

every other class gets a heads up

[spice spire]

Anyway - rogue needs help this tier. We knew it from week one, but we looked good because of borrowed power xdd.
Anyway

[gusty mirage]

we do not

[gaunt moat]

@gusty mirage It's the exact same story of previous tier.
Heroic weeks? Easily topping raid meter. Assassination seems like it's gonna be strong.
Mythic weeks... struggle is real.

At least we didn't get nerfed this time.

[gusty mirage]

we heard rumblings of tuning for the last half of 10.0

[strange python]

I wish I knew why devoker is avoiding hotfix nerfs like sin got.

[gusty mirage]

it took like

3 months

for them to come around

just wild

[sick aspen]

people will always cry when they buff us. whether it's outlaw/sub in m+ or rmp in pvp, rogue gets a shit perception to the community (shit as in we're always op)

[strange python]

I took so much flame in this discord for saying the "faster pace of tuning" that got us nerfed in vault was going to be an outlier and not the norm......

[gusty mirage]

the thing is

the faster pace of tuning isn't an outlier

[rocky ruin]

Hero Class

[gusty mirage]

they've been tuning

just tuning the most random shit

[strange python]

They haven't tuned shit in aberrus

[gusty mirage]

sure they have

[strange python]

They've tuned encounters. Not classes.

[gusty mirage]

just nothing substantial

[strange python]

Not in any meaningful way

[gusty mirage]

hard to tune with the same ferocity when half your staff quit

[gaunt moat]

it was too early to tune classes

[strange python]

We are a 10% nerf while 1% ahead of the rest of the specs.

[gusty mirage]

as of right now

[sick aspen]

someone's forgetting the 20% shiv buff, you heard tettles, it's insane 😛

[gusty mirage]

I will not be playing my rogue in 10.2

unless we get some serious tuning

[gaunt moat]

tuning on heroic logs led to big issues

[gusty mirage]

because ngl it's fucking depressing

[spice spire]

Imagine playing blood, rogue, and arms pref right now.

I’m down cataclysmic atm

[rocky ruin]

Today or tomorrow is the new ptr update i mean if they don't release anything for us then we know what happen
our dev time got ordered to do the new evoker spec

[gusty mirage]

the "utility" of soaking shit with cloak got cleaned out

[royal lantern]

@gusty mirage those are some well made arguments you made there

but Rogue is OP, so shut up

[gusty mirage]

any magmorax cloak of shadows enjoyers?

no?

yeah I don't blame you

[strange python]

Rogue went from one of the most common to the least common classes and now we get less tuning because no one plays use anymore.

Negative feedback loop

Only tune hunters, druids, now there's too many hunters and druids to ignore them

[gusty mirage]

they gut crimson vial going into SL

they gut our leeching poison like 3 months ago

[royal lantern]

"went to" mate rogue is the least played class for like 50% of the games lifetime lol

[gusty mirage]

now we just rot

to everything

literally all damage unless we can immune or feint it

lmao

dot damage?

you're just dead buddy

unlucky

[strange python]

Feint is super overrated at this point.

[spice spire]

Brackenhide

[gusty mirage]

it's a load of shit

tbh

[royal lantern]

3rd boss uldaman

[gusty mirage]

just evasion every stomp and bleed idiot

[strange python]

While most raid damage is raid wide and most healing is aoe, feint offers very little value. You're unlikely to be saving any healer mana and you're unlikely to die unless everyone does.

[gusty mirage]

just have a 100% uptime on evasion

noob

[spice spire]

3rd boss halls

[royal lantern]

i would laugh, but those are legit things i saw on reddit

"rogue has nothing for that boss"

"you can use evasion for the bleed!!!!!! omg rogues just always want to be op"

[gaunt moat]

I heard Atrophic is really good

[gusty mirage]

besides rashok and magmorax (because sometimes you just get hit double by the spittle lol good game blizzard)

feint kinda useless

[royal lantern]

tbf, thats not as stupid as "rogue can use Sap for incorp if they would use vanish for it"

[spice spire]

In combat

[rocky ruin]

Same ppl say save your dispell for enrage

[gusty mirage]

I loved being at 90% health, soaking the mythic mechanic

and proccing cheat death with feint

very cool

insane game

I also liked trying to reset magmorax last night

[lapis osprey]

Can someone explain this for me

[gusty mirage]

vanishing

and watching magmorax punch my asshole clean

then I melded

and he finished the job

[rocky ruin]

Happy ending

[gusty mirage]

you buff sepsis bonks w/ shiv, and the garrote max pandemic before exsang

[royal lantern]

doesnt really make a big difference overall, but sepsis->garrote->shiv is "better"

[gusty mirage]

yeah my guild enjoyed it

[lapis osprey]

why is the API lying to me then

😠

[gusty mirage]

I did not enjoy the extra 100g repairs

I would like my abilities to work

[strange python]

That's what cloak is for. Feint stinks now

[royal lantern]

because many things are so minor that it doesnt really matter in the end

[gusty mirage]

the robot likes to put shit on CD as often as possible, it hates missing casts

[strange python]

When the robot is forced to play sin it becomes suicidal

[gusty mirage]

could be worse

[lapis osprey]

LMAO

[gusty mirage]

could be the rotten

[lapis osprey]

The rotten is competitive again isn't it

[gusty mirage]

the rotten is the best rogue build in the game

[strange python]

It's not just competitive brother

It's better

[gusty mirage]

but it's cursed as fuck

[royal lantern]

its so good that not a single top50 log is using it

[strange python]

The problem is it's not better enough to be worthwhile unless you play perfect and on pure single target.

[gusty mirage]

very fight length dependant

[strange python]

Wait till farm. It'll be all over logs.

[royal lantern]

sanity dependant

[gusty mirage]

sanity out the window mr. assassination main

we've transcended sanity months ago

[royal lantern]

not a single sane human will play that unless they wanna go for the 3x Pi rank1 log

but like

its #subtlety

they will tell you that sub is fine anyway

[gusty mirage]

hey man

some people like it

[royal lantern]

cus they do dmg in m+

[gusty mirage]

I hope 10.1.5 brings me even more SL covenant abilities

[strange python]

Sub isn't popular ATM lol

[gusty mirage]

I just want to relive SL in DF

[strange python]

Your options are a cursed rotten build or a boring standard build

[royal lantern]

like, its 1 of those moments where i wanna see how those people react if it would just be "weak" in m+

not bad, just lower 1/3 for a short while

[strange python]

I would love rogue being bad in m+

[gusty mirage]

bring back fleshcraft

[royal lantern]

and all those "sub gameplay in DF is so cool i do dmg" react

[gusty mirage]

just for rogues

and gemstones

we stole whats his name's royal jewels (his balls) and rub them for crit damage

SL was so shit I forgot his name

[oak sky]

Well mage has shroud theyre about to be the new hero

[gusty mirage]

people thinking shroud matters

[royal lantern]

S H R O U D

[gusty mirage]

I once had a feral tell me he'd trade his brez for shroud

LOL

[oak sky]

Obviously damage matters more

[gusty mirage]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[royal lantern]

(nobody ever does shroud skips except some shity pugs that fuck themself with it)

[gusty mirage]

I would suck Ion's cock for a brez over shroud

[oak sky]

Sl brez item

[royal lantern]

like

fuck shroud

lol

pugs always wanna do shroud skips

[gusty mirage]

and then fuck them up

horribly

[royal lantern]

and it has a 80% chance to not work anyway cus some warlock/hunter pulls with pets/somone walks trought enemys/somone walks into stealth detection guys

[strange python]

SHROUD TICKS IN UNDERROT LOL

[royal lantern]

and the other 20% somone dies and instant releases and cant reach the group

cus OFC they dont have invis potions

[misty holly]

So I noticed last week since finishing my new 4 set a lot of M+ bosses are like 2:20 kill time

So on your second vendetta you get no tier bonus at all

Its like 😢

[proper tapir]

You get it on the next pack

[storm onyx]

they should bring it back up btw, with the stat change... . . . . .

[gusty mirage]

your tanks don't afk for a minute after every boss?

[misty holly]

I guess that's true on some bosses you do. Sometimes though you have to travel after boss... like all of them VP

or on the last boss of every dungeon

[proper tapir]

Nah, run with VDHs, they be zooooming

[gusty mirage]

what a fucking terrible dungeon that is

love the pull variety

"skip 2nd dragon pull everything else"

k

there ya go

that's your variety

I don't like how they bring back old dungeons

and their trash count is

"lol pull everything"

like nice dude

season 4 BFA was loved because it opened up different route potentials for dungeons we've pulled thousands of times

[teal iris]

so true

legit made underrot feel way different with just a seasonal affix

[strange python]

I miss shadowlands talent tree

[thorn fjord]

You miss running CT on ST? 🤣

[strange python]

No. I miss how much simpler it was

[gusty mirage]

I miss having my baseline utility existing

and not having to trade off damage for it

[eager solstice]

Anyone using a good sepsis wa?

[limber lion]

Our talent tree is pretty simple

You just take the same shit everywhere

[gusty mirage]

yeah I remember how much better motherlode was

the s4 affix made it a completely new dungeon

[limber lion]

Yeh the one in Luxthos' package

[eager solstice]

Does that one track proc to when use empowered garrote?

[limber lion]

Yes

It tracks everything

Sepsis cooldown, Sepsis duration, Empowered Garrote proc and duration

[eager solstice]

Sweet ty

[echo surge]

Hi here 🙂 Quick question. Is it worth swapping 1 talent point from Improved Poison to run two Shiv charges?

[royal lantern]

i mean, sim it and you see the difference?

wont make a big dent overall tbh

[limber lion]

Honestly kinda doesn't matter

[royal lantern]

its probs like

• • 0,1%

[runic gorge]

question about the sepsis exang opener. Doesnt the sepsis-buffed garrote overwrite the stealth garrote and the stealth garrote is technically stronger?

[limber lion]

They're the same.

So what you do with the Sepsis Garrote is extend the duration of Garrote to its maximum so you can Exsanguinate right after for maximum benefit

[proper tapir]

Why is Stealth Gar stronger?

[limber lion]

The second Garrote from Sepsis is used after the Exsanguinated garrote drops.

[woeful meteor]

Because Shrouded is worded like ass 😄

[limber lion]

Sepsis procs all stealth garrote benefits

Including Improved Garrote and Shrouded

Wasn't the case previously, but now it is and it's pretty good

Or kinda was not but not really, Sepsis was a mess before

[proper tapir]

Ohhhh people read SS as like, "only when cast from Stealth" but it's all the time

[limber lion]

Yeah there's 2 things Shrouded does

Increases Garrote damage by 20% all the time

and generates 2 extra CP's from stealth

But Improved Garrote is still the big one

And Sepsis procs that, so we're chilling

[runic gorge]

oh. did not know that. i think i read recently somewhere that stealth>vanish>sepsis. I guess thats not the case anymore

Thank you

[proper tapir]

Whispyr wrote that in one of the pins, idk what he was on about either so I just ignored that part

[normal mist]

Best case scenario do we want 5/5 tier or is there a piece we want to avoid? (like haste versa headpiece)

[limber lion]

Super best case scenario you get a Crit/Mast or Hast/Mast chest and replace the tier chest with it

High vers/mast chest is cringe

[normal mist]

I see. Was wondering what to craft this week, since i already got the 1st dagger and slime boots. Got a shit headpiece but might just wait for tonights raid to see if it drops from any boss

Best simming item in my vault is assault neck, the high crit low haste one (heroic) but im also waiting to kill the boss 😛

[eager solstice]

You guys still using vers flasks in raid?

[normal mist]

i do but im a cheap fuck

[open reef]

which one to craft - toxic or slimy feet ?

[normal mist]

its in the pins

toxic

[weak horizon]

Guys I'm starting to believe that there ain't gonna be rogue changes in 10.1.5

[limber lion]

Tale as old as time

[proper tapir]

I just replaced cowl with toxic head (crit/mast), it feels great but also simmed better than toxic wrist/belt

[normal mist]

i replaced my cowl with ... this:

and havent got any better until now

[gusty mirage]

hi @limber lion I hope you're doing well my friend

[proper tapir]

Then toxic your head dude!.... I mean.... Sim it and see

[normal mist]

let me see realquick what i got to work with

[limber lion]

Hey babe. Doing great, I have an audition to a professional orchestra on Monday so I'm grinding my ass off. It's a principal position so it's pretty sweaty.

meanwhile

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

Hopefully all is well with you too

:3

[gusty mirage]

I'm hanging in there, getting a little break from everything this weekend which should help :3

[limber lion]

[normal mist]

@proper tapir in theory, its better but im also increasing head ilvl to 437 (for now) and bracer to 428 (for now).https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/muCqESx7hznQzwje3YFUY7

[chilly crypt]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[proper tapir]

Sounds like you gotta classic case of follow your heart, sim them all the way to 447 too and then you'll have all the data. You know, in life all we can do is hope we have the right regrets. You're good either way ❤️

[normal mist]

Yeah everything is fine eitherway

thanks brother

[royal lantern]

got a 99 on heroic rashok

[limber lion]

Big!

[gusty mirage]

but you forgot about the most important parse

you 100 parsed our hearts

[royal lantern]

yes, big beacon crits

[limber lion]

I got a 99 ilvl parse on Kazz!

My 423 ilvl pushing strong

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-wave-waving-park-zoo-gif-5684532

@gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

👬

that's us

[royal lantern]

[austere fulcrum]

guys ı lost the APL link

can soemone share

cant find :8

[limber lion]

APL link?

What do you mean?

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[limber lion]

That?

[austere fulcrum]

ı think it is not here

there

sim APL

[abstract junco]

So with Afflicted do we just like

Not

[gusty mirage]

not our problem

unless you plan on assisting with a bandage

[royal lantern]

we cant

[limber lion]

I have no clue what you're talking about, sorry

[royal lantern]

like, we just cant interact with it at all

[austere fulcrum]

lmao

[limber lion]

Can you elaborate a bit

[abstract junco]

I wonder if I can advertise bandaging when applying for groups

[austere fulcrum]

bandage

[royal lantern]

you can go Vulpera and throw your racial at it for 10% heal i gues

[austere fulcrum]

there is custom apl for sim

[rigid tartan]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[austere fulcrum]

to give us accurate dps

[proper tapir]

Just run nightly, they updated the APL with Sepsis stuff

[gusty mirage]

those changes got implemented already

latest has all the changes

[austere fulcrum]

thank u Oxi

[limber lion]

Yeah you don't need it

[austere fulcrum]

thank u

[brazen zodiac]

oxi!!!

[fading mason]

with the bomb dispenser is the anything to look out for or just press on cd ?

[wraith cosmos]

be mindful of any other active trinkets and cd timings

[gusty mirage]

[brazen zodiac]

💃

[lapis osprey]

Guys what would talents look like if we had to take crimson tempest

For fights like nelt/sark with just small aoe phases

[snow glen]

Am I being stupid or is the assa rogue rotation & opener difficult like I'm so confused

[gusty mirage]

you'd drop venom rush for CT in the sepsis-no exsang build

[earnest timber]

You get used to it after practice

[limber lion]

Becomes muscle memory very quickly

Just keep practicing

[earnest timber]

speaking of which, shucks, my fragment is bad now?!

[lapis osprey]

what if I have exsang?

[gusty mirage]

I wouldn't even bother with CT then tbh

but you'd drop imp poisons for CT

and probably something else

idk I haven't looked at including CT much

cause our aoe is almost as sad as I am

[lapis osprey]

[gusty mirage]

but yeah

ig you'd drop shrouded

& imp poisons

or 1 in zold

and cry

[snow glen]

Also I know fragment isn't BIS now but when should I be using it

[gusty mirage]

it's not bad

[lapis osprey]

Man that's awful

[gusty mirage]

just not as good as it was simming

[lapis osprey]

really hoping for a rework or something

😭

[gusty mirage]

still solid trinket from m+ if you don't have at least heroic level raid trinkets available

[earnest timber]

Yeah, I picked up a nelth trinkey outta my vault

[teal iris]

oh shit just saw that

thank god i didnt take it from vault today

[gusty mirage]

[teal iris]

almost lost avoid+socket bracers for nothing

[ripe bone]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[earnest timber]

447 Fraggy down the drain.

[fallow canopy]

quite a lot of dooming for a trinket that besides bomb+beacon is still up there no?

[gusty mirage]

bomba + bacon trinket = bis

class trinket slightly behind

so also viable

cause I know people hate double on-use

even if bomba is sorta braindead on-use

[earnest timber]

it's just a wasted vault is all

not so much dooming

[gusty mirage]

if you want a good laugh

[earnest timber]

glad it was fixed

[gusty mirage]

if you got 441s in most slots

run a droptimizer

and see how sad it is

to get 447s in those slots

dead ass a socket is worth more

[earnest timber]

all trinkets besides bacon & bomberman are buns

[gusty mirage]

yep

they're okay alternatives at best

cause realistically a 441 bomb or beacon is just miles ahead of everything you'd get out of the m+ vault

hell a 437 of each is probably milesa head of 447 m+ trinkets

[subtle tundra]

finally see bomb

dont get it

🙂

[gusty mirage]

I'll fight them for you

give me their names and addresses

I'll be on a plane tomorrow.

[limber lion]

I'm about to get my bomb

see you in 5min

[subtle tundra]

got 2 100s though

pogger

[gusty mirage]

[subtle tundra]

and rank 2 on sark :/

imagine if i had bomb...

[oak sky]

Casual gaming?

[limber lion]

Super casual. I'm still in full 420 gear from last tier

First time doing hc raid

[oak sky]

About as geared as my rogue lmao

[limber lion]

No bombo :(

[oak sky]

Im pretty casual on my druid too tho i just do keys and show up for reclear

Once we see changes ill be back to rogue though

[teal iris]

so in 2025?

[limber lion]

That's optimistic of you

[visual shuttle]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[steel ridge]

fuckin rashok is ded

what a chore

[nimble tartan]

love rashok best boss so far

[balmy condor]

Rashok was great

[steel ridge]

yeah was good, but straining on my eyes

doing the big dodges

[nimble tartan]

tubas sin rogue beat me on that one

[gusty mirage]

if you think that was a chore

you're gonna adore zskarn

[steel ridge]

oh god oh fuck

[gusty mirage]

rashok is without a doubt the best fight in the raid

[steel ridge]

my RL killed me with shadowword death on neltharion cause i was absolutely brain afk

[gusty mirage]

did you a favor

that boss is shit

[keen spruce]

was on vacation for experiements kill so I get to come in for the freeclear and straight to rashcock

[spice spire]

Gl mister shmeeps. I pray for your downfall

[drifting cloud]

[spice spire]

Certified menace

[tacit wedge]

After months of being stuck in a clown guild that were perma looking for reasons to keep me as a trial, i joined a new guild like 2 resets ago and i'm now core raider

[keen spruce]

certified